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A
Representative
Matt
Cook
I
call
the
house
standing
committee
on
licensing
occupations
and
administrative
regulations
to
order
I'd
like
to
welcome
our
new
members
to
the
first
committee
meeting,
all
members
to
our
first
committee
meeting,
but
especially
our
new
members.
We've
got
several.
We've
got
our
vice
chair
representative,
Tom,
Smith,
representative
Emily,
Callaway,
representative
Mike,
Klein's,
representative
Dan,
Fister,
representative
Kevin,
Jackson,
representative
Cole,
Carney
and
representative
Dixon,
so
welcome
new
members.
A
In
today's
agenda,
let's
go
to
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones.
If
you're
interested
in
testifying,
please
use
the
sign
in
sheet
testimonies
within
the
chair's
discretion
based
on
time
constraints
and
information.
That's
already
been
presented,
no
signs
are
permitted
in
the
committee
rooms.
D
C
Representative
Callaway
present
representative
Clines
here
representative
Dixon
representative
Pfister,
here
representative
Flannery,
here,
representative
Gentry,
representative
hevren,
representative
heron,
representative
Huff,
here
representative
Jackson,
present
representative
Cole,
Carney
representative
Meredith,
representative
Moser,
representative
Palumbo,
here
representative
Pratt,
present
representative
Smith,
representative
timony,
chairman
cook.
Here.
E
Foreign,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
this
morning
for
the
record.
I'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
myself
speaker,
Pro,
Tim,
David,
Mead
and
I
have
with
me
Kentucky
realtors
association,
president
Elizabeth
monarch
this
morning.
What
we're
dealing
with
in
House,
Bill
62
is
the
issue
of
wholesaling
and
real
estate
and
to
explain
that
just
quickly
tell
you
what
what
wholesaling
is
is
I
mean
I,
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
I
don't
believe
that
all
wholesalers
are
acting
in
an
unethical
manner.
E
Some
are
doing
it
properly,
some
they're
licensed
or
or
they're
buying
in
large
blocks
of
property.
They
already
have
clients
that
are
available
to
buy.
D
G
F
C
A
E
A
Foreign
thank
you
before
we
get
started.
I
want
to
say
a
couple
things
about
this,
one,
no
pun
intended,
but
this
bill
has
been
extremely
well
vetted.
We
we
filed
this
bill.
We
heard
it
two
interims
ago
we
started
the
process.
We
actually
filed
it
for
informational
purposes.
Last
session,
the
groups,
the
veterinarian
groups,
had
a
series
of
round
tables
across
the
Commonwealth.
During
the
interim
we
heard
it
again
during
the
interim
here:
we've
had
joint
board
meetings
between
the
veterinarian
groups
to
get
the
bill
to
where
it
is.
Today.
A
H
Thank
you,
representative
cook.
This
is
House
Bill
167.
I
just
want
to
walk
you
through
a
little
bit
of
of
the
background
and
who
we
vetted
this
bill
with
more
than
30
years
have
passed
since
any
substantial
updates
to
the
veterinary
medicine,
Practice
Act,
and
in
that
time,
A
lot
has
changed
in
veterinary
medicine.
We
started
this
process.
As
a
representative
cook
indicated
in
2021
we
reviewed
two
Practice
Act
models,
one
from
the
American
Veterinary
Medical
Association
or
avma,
one
from
the
American
Association
of
Veterinary
state
boards
or
the
aavsb.
H
We
also
looked
at
a
slew
of
other
state
regulations
by
the
end
of
2021.
We
start
at
our
Outreach
to
both
the
Kentucky
Veterinary
Medical
Association
and
the
veterinary
technician
Association,
but
we
also
Outreach
to
Kentucky
Association
of
counties,
Cattlemens
County,
Judge,
Executives,
Farm,
Bureau,
League
of
cities,
magistrates
and
Commissioners
associations,
KDA
osv,
Board
of
Chiropractic,
examiner,
chfs
and
on
the
list
goes,
we've
also
reached
out
to
some
private
organizations
such
as
hsus
and
their
Kentucky
arm.
H
Here
in
the
Commonwealth
early
in
2022,
as
representative
cook
said,
we,
he
filed
the
legislation
to
bring
attention
to
you,
his
colleagues
and
to
start
and
facilitate
discussions.
We
use
that
time
at
the
board
to
do
stakeholder,
Outreach,
10,
Regional
meetings
in
partnership
with
the
Kentucky
Veterinary,
Medical
Association
to
all
Kentucky
licensees
and
members
of
the
public.
We
did
participate
in
the
KDA
commissioner,
quarrels's
Dialogue
on
stakeholders,
with
large
animal
shortage
and
veterinary
medicine
in
both
June
and
November
of
last
year,
and
we
testified
before
the
interim
committee.
H
We
also
held
multiple
Zoom
meetings
on
species-specific
areas,
small
animal,
large,
animal
and
equines
to
understand
better
the
issues
for
each
group
and
we
did
a
large
license
emailing
and
requested
feedback
on
our
annual
renewal
form.
We
took
all
the
feedback
that
we
received
and
refined
the
bill
to
make
sure
that
it
was
the
right
language
for
Kentucky.
H
So,
what's
in
the
bill,
hopefully
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
your
committee
materials
we've,
expanded
definitions
to
provide
a
common
language
for
all
of
our
stakeholders
and
that
went
from
just
a
bear
17
to
more
than
75
to
give
us
that
language
to
talk
about.
We
have
clarifying
statues
regarding
administration
of
licenses
and
other
credentials,
including
renewal
for
all
credential
types,
our
animal
control
agencies
and
medical
records
requirements,
as
required
by
the
FBI.
H
But
it's
important
to
note
that
80
percent
of
Veterinary
facilities
are
not
seen
by
the
public.
Clients
only
see
the
reception
area
and
the
exam
rooms,
the
rest
of
it
is
behind
closed
doors.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
there
are
minimum
standards
for
licensees
to
follow.
This
will
also
help
in
aiding
and
identifying
and
lessening
shortage
issues,
elevating
the
practice
of
veterinary
medicine
in
Kentucky
we've
added
educational
Awards.
This
is
in
an
effort
to
help
reduce
shortages.
This
program
already
exists
in
Ohio
and
Oklahoma.
The
veterinary
facility
registration
will
help
inform
this
program.
H
Finally,
our
Telehealth
framework
with
vcpr
requirements.
This
is
a
critical
component
of
the
bill
and
I
hope
that
you
will
look
in
detail
at
this
part.
We
want
to
keep
Kentucky
from
opening
up
to
unrestricted
prescribing
Telehealth
is
an
augment
to
the
practice
of
veterinary
medicine,
not
the
sole
means
by
which
we
should
do
it.
Entities
today
can
hire
veterinarians
stationed
anywhere
in
the
world
and
they
will
never
set
fit
in
Kentucky,
and
yet
they
get
paid
based
on
how
much
medicine
they're
prescribing
that's
not
what
we
need
here.
H
We
also
know
that
failure
to
properly
identify
and
diagnose,
High
consequence
diseases
and
we're
all
familiar
with
the
high
path
Avian
Influenza
I
want
you
to
know
that
was
identified
by
a
veterinarian
in
the
field.
We
need
our
vets
on
the
ground.
Looking
at
these
cases
and
Federal
Law
requires
a
vcpr,
our
Veterinary
client
patient
relationship
to
be
established
in
person
for
many
items.
H
So
that's
what's
in
the
bill.
What
is
the
response
in
the
Kentucky
veterinary
Community?
Well,
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
a
significant
majority
of
support.
Kvma
actually
did
a
survey
of
all
its
membership
and
they
have
a
high
percentage
of
membership
of
licensees
here
in
the
Commonwealth
and
in
general,
over
72
percent
support
everything
in
the
bill.
There
are
some
areas
of
higher
support
and
some
a
little
lower,
but
those
details
are
in
your
committee
materials
with
a
breakdown
of
all
those
percentages.
D
To
and
they're
short
the
2021
I
think
or
we
passed
the
bill
that
allows
veterinarians
to
report
abuse.
Yes,.
H
H
Yes,
sir,
we
did
not
put
forth
a
position
on
that.
D
Do
you
know
if
that's
been
used
a
lot
or
would
you
have
any
idea
I'm
sure
you
don't
track
that,
but
no.
H
D
A
That
correct
yes,
there
we
definitely
have
a
shortage
and
that's
part
of
the
registration.
You
know
that's
in
here
and
I
know
that
you
all
are
prepared
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit,
even
though
the
vet
school
slots
don't
really
have
anything
with
the
to
do
with
this
bill,
I
told
them
that
that
was
most
definitely
probably
going
to
be
a
question.
So
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
feel
that
a
little
bit.
F
Well,
yeah
I
mean
we're
trying
to
address
the
shortage,
and
you
know
we
have
multiple
problems
with
that
and
we
feel
like
the
education
award,
may
be
a
piece
of
the
puzzle,
but
we
won't
know
until
we've
got
that
in
place
for
a
few
years.
Right
now
we
are
facing
critical
shortages
in
the
food
animal
sector,
we're
seeing
that
also
in
the
equine
sector
and
we're
definitely
seen
in
the
small
animal
sectors
we're
just
not
producing
enough
veterinarians.
Now,
that's
a
multi-fold
problem.
One
of
them
is
economics.
F
The
return
on
investment
on
education
and
our
profession
is
the
lowest
of
all
all
the
professions.
So
that's
something
that
will
have
to
be
worked
out
through
the
marketplace.
The
second
would
be
the
the
return
on
investment
on
on
Rural
practice.
You
have
to
have
select
individuals
that
are
not
necessarily
as
much
economically
driven
as
they
are.
Lifestyle
driven
and
so
I
think
those
those
are
things
that
we
are
looking
at
Dr
Webber.
Do
you
have
anything?
Oh.
I
The
only
thing
I
would
add
you
know
the
association
realizes
the
shortage,
also
and
speaking
about
this
bill
within
that
bill.
You'll
see
that
the
association
agreed
wholeheartedly
to
allow
up
to
15
percent
of
our
fees
or
our
re-licensure
every
biennium
to
be
used
to
help
fund
scholarships.
So
I
think
that
speaks
somewhat
or
where
we
stand.
F
And
then
another
portion
of
this
bill
too,
regarding
the
title
protections
for
the
licensed
Veterinary
technicians,
would
allow,
by
adopting
Telehealth
for
a
veterinarian,
to
send
a
licensed
Veterinary
technologist
into
the
field,
to
look
at
a
problem.
Use
video
means
to
discuss
with
that
veterinarian,
but
that
licensed
Veterinary
technologists,
of
which
we
have
three
schools
in
the
state
that
produce
those
individuals
that
would
help
augment
rural
practice.
So
we
see
that
that's
where
the
part
of
the
Telehealth
part
of
this
bill
I
think
helps
in
agriculture.
D
J
Bratcher
we
have
another
question
from
representative
cool
Carney.
B
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
presenting
this
morning.
I
know
we've
heard
about
this
issue
and,
of
course,
I'm
supportive
of
anything
that
would
help
address
shortages
in
our
Veterinary
Workforce
and
licensure
reform.
I
just
want
to
understand
what
the
differences
are
with
the
bill
that
was
originally
filed
in
with
the
committee
sub.
If
we
could
just
get
a
brief
rundown.
H
That
we
had
late
comments
come
in
from
both
the
Louisville
Zoo
and
UK
Veterinary
Diagnostic
lab,
and
they
wanted
to
ensure
that
they
could
continue
their
work
without
restriction.
And
we
wanted
to
accommodate
that
because
we
know
the
work
that
they
do
in
both
of
those
facilities
were
very
important.
D
G
F
K
J
A
You
very
good
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time
on
this
I
know
it
took
us
a
little
longer,
maybe
in
our
average
bill
in
Illinois,
but
there
was
a
lot
that
went
into
this
bill,
I'm,
not
sure
what
you're
going
to
do
with
your
free
time,
because
I
think
you've
got
a
year
of
your
life
dedicated
to
this,
but
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
great
work,
Deborah,
everybody
that
was
involved
in
this
bill,
great
job.
Thank
you.
K
So
we're
here
today
to
present
house
bill
172.
the
bill
was
heard
last
year
in
Illinois
and
I'd
like
to
have
Mason
who's
traveled
this
morning
from
Louisville
and
then
Jason
who's
traveled
from
Paducah
to
explain
why
it's
necessary.
M
Our
bill
isn't
quite
as
comprehensive
as
the
veterinary
bill.
We
only
want
to
change
one
word:
the
the
law
was
enacted
in
2018
and
it
moved
the
requirement
for
a
school
to
have
a
senior
instructor
with
36
months
of
experience,
including
administrative
experience.
Prior
to
that
it
was
12..
M
What
happened
was
there
was
an
an
unidentified
problem
where,
unfortunately,
we've
lost
three
schools
because
they
were
not
able
to
find
Qualified
instructors.
There
were
about
40
people
that
were
affected
by
the
school
closures
we
lost
to
school
in
Ashland
and
there
aren't
any
instructors
on
the
far
at
that
far
end
of
the
state.
We
also
lost
to
school
in
Albany
and
we
lost
a
school
in
Bowling
Green.
M
There
are
lots
of
instructors
kind
of
around
the
central
core
of
the
state
between
Lexington
and
Louisville
and
Northern
Kentucky,
but
there
aren't
any
in
the
Far
Far
ends
of
the
state,
and
we
feel
that
those
areas
are
underrepresented
and
we'd
like
to
to
have
an
opportunity
to
cultivate
people
for
those
areas.
G
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
thanks
for
being
here
guys.
My
question
is
a
few
years
ago,
when
we
went
to
12
months
to
36
months,
can
you
can
you
educate
us
on
why
we
did
that
then,
and
now
we're
moving
back
to
12
months.
What
are
we
doing
to
avoid
a
similar
situation
we
were
in
before?
Does
that
make
sense,
I
understand
the
workforce
challenge
issues,
but
why
was
it
done
to
begin
with,
and
what
can
we
do
moving
forward
and
make
sure
we're
not
in
the
same
environment?
L
Jason
Crockett
again
I'm.
The
current
chairman
of
the
of
the
board
I,
believe
that
board
in
the
past
thought
that
it
was
important
to
make
sure
that
the
36
months
they
they
thought
that
that
would
help
people
to
do
a
better
job.
With
the
administrative
tasks
of
a
teacher.
As
you
know,
as
you
can
probably
saw
from
the
materials,
it
already
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
effort
to
become
a
a
teacher
as
it
sits
and
so
I
believe
that
they
that
they
had
good
intentions.
L
But
the
unforeseen
consequences
were
that
the
pipeline
of
instructors
has
dried
up.
So
we
do
believe
that
the
the
time
period
that
it
takes
right
now
for
people
to
become
a
teacher.
It
gives
us
a
a
pretty
good
look
at
whether
or
not
they
understand
the
rules,
the
regulations
and
the
administrative
tasks
that
are
involved
in
becoming
a
head
instructor
and
as
the
board
I
believe
that
we
can
continue
to
make
sure
that
our
teachers
are
well
qualified
even
with
just
the
year
and
it'll
help
our
pipeline.
M
Mason,
that's
that's
great.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
this
was
initially
addressed
because
of
two
situations
that
had
Arisen
and
the
market
actually
took
care
of
the
problems
that
initially
caused
this
to
go
into
effect.
Both
of
those
schools
closed
for
market
demand.
G
Follow-Up
question
Mr,
so
in
your
professional
opinion,
do
you
think
that
maybe
that
wasn't
a
prudent
decision?
A
few
years
ago,
when
we
went
to
36
months.
M
Unfortunately,
I
wasn't
involved
at
the
time.
I
joined
the
board
just
short
shortly
after
that
I'm
aware
of
the
circumstances,
but
I
would
agree
that
you're,
you
have
a
correct
assumption.
Thank.
A
A
D
G
F
M
M
J
Like
to
explain
my
vote,
it's
a
yes
but
Mr
chairman
we're
two
bills
in
a
row.
We're
finding
a
pattern
and
the
pattern
is.
We
have
a
a
need
out
there
for
a
lot
of
professional
needs
and
I'm
afraid
it's
going
to
fall
and
we're
going
to
see
a
bill
in
teachers.
We're
gonna
I
know
my
firefighters
are
having
a
problem
going
to
the
hours
recruiting,
volunteer
fire
departments
but
by
all
the
hours
is
required.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
prepared.
We're
going
to
be
seeing
a
lot
of
this
in
the
future.
A
Yes,
House
Bill
172
passes
with
favorable
expression,
look
forward
to
it.
Moving
to
the
floor.
Thank
you,
representative.
Compliance.
Congratulations!
On
your
first
bill.
All
right,
representative
Williams
work.
Your
way
forward
to
the
table.
Please
introduce
yourself
and
any
guest
you
have
with
you
today.
N
N
Good
morning,
thank
you,
chairman
for
the
opportunity
princess
bill
today
present
this
bill
today
and
what
I'm
here
to
talk
about
today
is
I'm.
Sorry,
my
name
is
Wade.
Williams
I'm
represent
the
fourth
district
Hopkins
County,
and
what
I'm
here
to
talk
about
today
is
a
is
a
shortage
that
we
have.
We
have
found
in
the
professional
land
surveying
field,
and
so
what
I
want
to
talk
about
today
is
is
hopefully
like
many
aspects
and
Workforce
that
we
have
today.
N
We
find
these
shortages
and
we
I
feel
as
OB
as
legislators
have
an
obligation
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
to
meet
those
demands.
So
today,
I'm
again
I'm
talking
about
House,
Bill
151,
it's
a
professional
land,
surveyors
and
professional
land
surveying
oftentimes
gets
unnoticed.
We
don't
know
what
all
it
touches,
but
we
find
it
in
housing,
construction,
public
construction
projects,
commercial
industrial,
real
estate
development
or
maybe
even
putting
up
a
fence
in
your
house.
N
So
this
what
we've
seen
with
this
critical
shortage
that
we
have
with
professional
land
surveyors
now
we've
we
find
a
backlog
in
in
a
lot
of
these
events
that
take
place.
So
what
we?
What
we
have
determined
the
issue
based
on
some
research
is
that
we
find
that
less
people
are
taking
the
exam
now
than
I'm.
Sorry,
more
people
are
retiring
than
are
taking
the
currently
taking
the
exam,
and
some
of
these
things
that
started
from
this
was
a
2003
statutory
requirement.
N
We've
kind
of
talked
about
some
of
those
before
that
we
moved
this
training
certification
to
a
four-year
program,
and
in
this
program
we
found
that
there's
some
limited
course
offerings
and
we
found
a
relationship
that
would
correlate
to
you
know
only
a
few
more
hours
and
these
individual
students
could
be
able
to
transfer
into
other
career
fields
and
not
into
land
surveying.
N
So
what
we
want
to
try
to
do
in
House,
Bill,
151
is,
is
create
and
another
available
option
not
eliminate
the
four-year
program,
but
create
a
two-year
optional
program
that
would
marry
six
years
experience
to
that
program.
This
is
a
core
core
program.
Exactly.
A
A
G
N
This
is
a
the
two-year
program,
is
optional,
there's
still
a
four-year
program,
and
it's
it's
more
of
a
core
based
class
in
this
tube.
In
this
two-year
program
again
married
with
that
experience,
I
can
get
some
I
got
some
technical
advisors
that
would
W
the
exact
classes
that's
associated
with
that
they
would
still
take
the
same
core
classes.
The
four-year,
obviously,
would
add,
on
you
know,
general
education
studies,
some
of
those
other
things
that
are
not
included
in
that
core
class
of
of
land
surveying.
G
Okay:
okay,
that's
fair
and
I'll,
just
if
you'll
indulge
me
to
make
a
very
brief
comment.
Representative
Odell
Smith
made
of
a
very
astute
comment
about
our
Workforce
shortages,
we're
seeing
it
all
across
all
these
industries
and
the
biggest
reason
is
just
simple
population:
demographics.
We
we
had
a
big
baby
boom
generation,
that
is
at
retirement
age,
and
a
lot
of
them
have
left
the
market
Marketplace,
and
we
have
all
these
challenges
that
were
faced.
G
I
just
want
to
ask
my
colleagues
as
we
go
forward
and
make
all
these
changes
just
be
aware
of
the
changes
that
we're
making.
We
we
don't
want,
there's
a
bigger
problem
here,
that
we
really
have
to
put
our
minds
around
and
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
get
through
and
in
some
cases,
dumbing
down.
Certifications
may
not
be
the
best
I,
don't
see
a
problem
with
it
here
that
I'm
aware
of,
but
it's
just
something
that
we
need
to
keep
aware
of
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you.
A
And
just
follow
that
up
with
representative
Gentry,
because
I
definitely
very
good
points
on
that,
and
that
and
that's
the
big
reason
for
the
optional
on
here,
and
it
allows
the
time
for
the
schools
to
to
develop
those
programs
and
see
what
that
looks
like
without
losing
any
of
the
quality.
It's
very
much.
It's
a
valid
concern.