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A
Here
very
well:
we
have
a
quorum
duly
constituted
to
do
business,
we'll
go
ahead
and
proceed.
We're
going
to
flop
these
two
bills
this
morning.
So
we're
going
to
start
out
with
Senate
Bill,
162.
I
know.
Senator
Carroll
has
been
working
diligently
on
getting
this
thing
through
a
very
complex
path
to
where
we
are
today,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
his
efforts.
B
A
C
C
Another
juvenile
with
severe
mental
issues
confined
to
a
cell
with
no
mental
health
treatment,
others
confined
to
cells
daily
with
very
little
if
any
time
outside
the
cell.
These
incidents
and
others
are
what
led
to
the
need
for
the
DJJ
working
group
that
was
established
by
a
senate
concurrent
resolution,
31
sponsored
by
Senator
Givens,
this
bipartisan
bicameral
group,
her
testimony
from
cabinet
officials,
DJJ
officials,
Detention,
Center,
superintendents,
DJJ,
mental
health
staff
teachers,
nurses,
former
employees,
and
we
spent
a
day
with
representatives
from
Louisville
discussing
the
issues
specific
to
Louisville.
C
All
of
these
things
occurring
as
the
detention
Center's
house,
a
much
more
violent
population
than
DJJ,
was
originally
designed
to
house
a
recipe
for
disaster.
That
disaster
has
occurred
repeatedly
over
the
past
couple
of
years
and
today,
even
though
temporary
safety
measures
are
in
place,
DJJ
remains
in
a
state
of
crisis.
In
many
areas.
C
Over
recent
weeks
we
and
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
by
we
I
mean
staff
Gene,
Byrd,
Jim,
Bondurant
legislative
oversight,
investigation
committee
staff
led
by
Jerry,
Hoffman
and
and
Judiciary
staff
met.
Tribblehorn
and
Roberta
Kaiser
have
worked
to
develop
this
piece
of
legislation
before
you
today.
C
In
addition
to
all
the
meetings
previously
mentioned,
we
have
hosted
additional
meetings
with
secretary
Hicks
secretary
Harvey
secretary
friedlander
representatives
from
the
University
of
Louisville
and
Our
Lady
of
Peace
hospital.
This
bill
reflects
policy.
We
agreed
on
in
policy
that
we
did
not
agree
on.
C
In
addition,
in
addition
to
this
legislation
and
other
legislation
moving
forward
this
session,
the
legislative
legislative
oversight
investigation
committee
continues
to
investigate
the
how
and
why
DJJ
ended
up
in
the
current
state
of
crisis
and
over
the
interim,
the
Juvenile
Justice
oversight.
Council
will
take
a
hard
look
at
the
current
state
of
DJJ
and
make
recommendations
to
the
legislature
for
further
action
during
the
next
session.
C
A
lot
of
work
has
been
done
over
the
past
two
months,
but
let
me
make
it
clear:
we
have
a
long
way
to
go.
We
must
Ensure.
We
make
the
proper
changes
within
DJJ
to
provide
for
the
safety
of
the
juveniles
attained
in
the
facilities
and
the
staff.
We
must
also
Ensure
that
we're
putting
forth
the
best
possible
programs
to
get
the
best
outcomes
for
those
who
will
return
to
their
homes
from
DJJ
and
for
those
who
will
eventually
transfer
to
the
Department
of
Corrections.
C
Finally,
we
must
ensure
that
DJJ
never
returns
to
the
state.
It
has
functioned
in
over
the
past
few
years:
Mr
President,
I'm,
sorry
Mr,
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
There
are
several
sections
to
this
bill
and
I'm
going
to
get
through
these
as
quickly
as
I
can
to
leave
time
for
questions
section.
One
of
the
bill
deals
with
DJJ
reorg
language.
It
moves
the
division
of
professional
development
under
the
Office
of
Support
Services.
It
creates
an
office
of
detention
which
requires
that
all
eight
juvenile
detention
centers
be
under
the
supervision
of
one
supervisor.
C
C
Section
2
requires
that
the
cabinet
to
maintain
a
comprehensive,
centralized,
Data
Tracking
System
for
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
Section
3
addresses
the
Juvenile
Justice
advisory
Council.
It
adds
a
senator
and
a
representative
to
the
council.
It
attaches
the
council
to
lrc
for
administrative
purposes.
C
It
adjusts
the
function
of
Juvenile
Justice
oversight
Council
to
serve
as
a
review
function
and
the
responsibilities
added
include
review
reforms,
in
fact,
if
enacted
by
the
legislature,
confirm
implementation
of
policies
established
by
the
legislature
and
by
regulation
review
the
fiscal
Initiative
Program
established
under
chapter
15a,
and
this
was
original
language
in
statute
review
and
make
recommendations
regarding
the
structure
and
Staffing
of
DJJ
the
training
of
DJJ
staff,
the
adequacy
of
current
programming
and
Facilities
operated
by
DJJ
best
practices
in
in
Juvenile
Justice
programs
and
facilities.
In
other
the
topics
determined
by
the
council.
C
The
council
must
report
by
December
1st
2023
their
findings
and
on
every
December
1st
each
year.
Thereafter,
we
have
moved
these
responsibilities
away
from
a
task
force
that
that
I
on
a
resolution
that
I
had
passed
through
that
would
set
up
a
task
force
during
the
interim.
That
would
have
been
a
duplication
of
effort
from
what
this
Council
does.
So
we
decided
to
shift
those
responsibilities
to
this
Council,
which
is
a
co-chaired
by
Senator
Westerfield.
C
Section
four
in
the
bill
states
that
the
DJJ
shall
enter
into
sufficient
contracts
to
ensure
the
availability
of
institutional
treatment
for
children
with
severe
emotional
disturbance
or
mental
health
or
mental
illness.
As
soon
as
practicable
the
DJJ
shell
for
any
facility
operated
pursuant
to
the
subsection.
One
of
this
section
require
that
the
facility
provide
children
in
crisis
who
are
residing
in
a
Juvenile
Detention
Facility
access
to
a
mental
health
professional
whose
Communications
with
the
child
are
privileged
under
the
Kentucky
Rules
of
Evidence
conduct.
C
Monthly,
documented
training
related
to
Emergency
Response
ensure
that
staff
working
with
detained
youth
have
controlled
access
to
and
are
properly
trained
in,
the
use
of
appropriate
defensive
equipment,
comparable
that
utilized
by
the
Department
of
Correction,
including
tasers,
pepper
spray
and
shields
establish
a
specially
trained
Emergency
Response
Team
within
each
juvenile
detention
center
and
Youth
Development
Center,
which
shall
be
trained
in
tactics
related
to
detention
facilities
and
engage
in
monthly
drills
as
part
of
the
emergency
response.
Training
enter
into
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
local
law
enforcement
agencies.
C
For
emergency
response
and
include
these
agencies
in
the
emergency
response,
trainings
be
equipped
with
an
alarm
that
directly
communicates
an
emergency
situation
to
local
911
dispatch,
centers
and
finally,
promulgate
regulate
administrative
regulations
in
accordance
with
chapter
13A.
To
implement
this
subsection
Section
5,
the
academy
must
develop
and
Implement
as
soon
as
practicable
a
plan
that
will
transition
the
regional
model
transition
back
to
the
regional
model
of
juvenile
detention
center
facilities,
while
safely
segregating
males
and
females
and
violent
and
non-violent
offenders.
C
C
The
members
of
our
working
group
and
other
legislators
that
I've
spoken
with
have
made
it
clear
that
they
feel
that
we
need
to
have
have
the
regional
detention
centers
operating
and
keeping
their
kids
closer
to
home.
For
various
reasons
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this
in
just
a
moment
within
30
days
after
the
effective
date
of
this
act
returned
to
a
uniform
requirement
for
DJJ
correctional
officers
or
youth
workers
within
detention
facilities
within
90
days
of
the
effective
date
of
this
act.
C
Notwithstanding
KRS
chapter
18a
Implement
a
limited
duration
program
to
allow
staff
of
the
DJJ
who
have
resigned
to
return
to
their
previous
employment
classification,
with
with
the
approval
of
the
department,
reinstate
and
maintain
a
management
training
program
for
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
for
All
leadership
positions,
including
the
commissioner,
and
provide
that
any
individual
who
is
satisfactory
completed.
The
training
program
shall
be
eligible
eligible
candidate
for
a
leadership
position
within
the
department,
including
the
position
of
commissioner
and
finally
develop
and
Implement
a
plan
to
identify
and
transfer
any
juvenile
to
another
facility.
C
If
the
transfer
is
related
to
a
security
risk
or
is
necessary
to
avoid
interference
with
any
criminal
investigation,
and
that's
if
there
are
multiple
defendants
in
the
same
case
that
are
housed
in
the
same
facility
session
six
within
90
days
after
the
effective
date,
the
department
of
Medicaid
shall
develop
and
submit
an
amendment
to
the
section
1115
demonstrating
waiver
submitted
pursuant
to
2021
act.
Basically,
this
would
provide
Medicaid
coverage
for
those
juveniles
housed
within
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
facilities.
C
23
24
are
hereby
transferred
as
follows:
3.2
million
to
DJJ
in
the
year
2023
to
maintain
the
salary
increase
provided
to
youth
workers
in
detention
centers
in
the
fiscal
year
22-23-
and
this
is
the
50
000
base
salary
that
has
been
granted.
4.8
million
to
DJJ
in
2324
to
provide
salary
increases
to
other
job
classifications
within
the
department
we
feel
like.
This
is
important.
C
What
we
fear
will
happen
that
you
will
see
staff
transferring
from
Youth
Development
Centers
to
correctional
centers
and
other
staff
that
will
transfer
in
order
to
get
the
higher
pay,
and
we
feel
that
there
is
a
risk
that
some
of
the
mental
health
staff
may
eventually
leave
DJJ
when
they
find
that
entry-level
youth
workers
will
be
making
more
money
than
they
are.
So
unless
we
do
this,
we
feel
a
little
create
a
compression
issue
within
the
paid
structure.
C
30
million
dollars
to
The
Adult
Correctional
institutions,
budget
unit
in
fiscal
year,
2324
to
provide
salary
increases
for
correctional
officers
within
the
Department
of
Correction
facilities
in
the
same
manner
as
it
was
provided
to
youth
workers
in
juvenile
detention
facilities
with
a
base
pay
of
fifty
thousand
dollars.
C
Doc
is
another
crisis
waiting
to
happen.
We
heard
testimony
and
through
conversations
with
the
commissioner,
where
some
of
these
facilities
have
lost
about
60
percent
70
percent
of
their
Staffing.
It
is
a
critical
issue.
It
is
a
crisis
waiting
to
happen.
So
that's
why
we
are
asking
for
the
additional
funds
to
Grant
those
the
same
raises
to
Department
of
Corrections
employees.
Also.
C
Okay
in
Section
8,
it
appropriates
general
fund
dollars
in
the
amount
of
9.7
million
in
fiscal
year,
2324
to
DJJ
for
146
additional
youth
workers
within
the
detention
centers.
This
is
an
in
addition
to
their
their
current
numbers,
adding
146
more
workers
in
section
9,
200,
000,
appropriated
to
DJJ
for
the
development
of
a
youth
offender
management
system.
Djj
is
currently
utilizing.
The
com
system
used
by
Doc
and
Doc
is
assisting
with
that
implementation.
C
Section
10
appropriates
four
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year,
2223
to
DJJ
to
provide
security
upgrades
within
the
juvenile
detention
centers,
and
these
funds
shall
not
lapse
and
carry
forward
for
the
expenditures.
In
fiscal
year,
23
24.
the
new
former,
the
gentleman
from
the
prison
Larry,
the.
C
They're,
bringing
in
that
was
a
former
warden
in
Doc
at
several
facilities,
has
done
an
inspection
of
some
of
these
detention
facilities
and
has
determined
some
basic
security
needs
that
need
to
take
place
and
that's
what
this
money
is
appropriated
for
on
Section
11
appropriating
General
funds
in
the
1.5
million
dollars
in
2223
to
establish
a
diversionary
program
to
identify
and
provide
treatment
for
any
juvenile
identified
as
suffering
from
severe
mental
illness,
in
conjunction
with
the
state,
interagency
Council
for
services
and
supports
to
children
and
transitioning
age
youth,
including
any
juvenile,
currently
detained,
who
shall
be
transferred
as
soon
as
practical
to
a
secure
facility
for
treatment
and
as
used
in
this
section.
C
We
must
get
these
kids
that
are
severely
mentally
ill
out
of
these
detention
centers
and
into
treatment
centers
right
now,
University
of
Louisville
is
looking
for
a
facility
that
we
would
be
able
to
utilize
for
these
use.
This
is
to
deal
with
the
existing
issue.
There
are
other
plans
that
must
be
made
to
house
more
kids
and
at
any
given
time
the
secretary
says:
there's
normally
six
or
seven
kids
within
DJJ.
C
C
As
with
the
other
provisions
again,
the
the
executive
branch
does
not
agree
with
us
moving
back
to
the
regional
model,
but
they
did
request
that,
if
that
is
where
we
are
headed,
that
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
these
facilities,
they
have
to
be
reviewed
by
an
expert,
an
architect
in
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design,
the
septed
concepts
to
ensure
that
we
can
provide
a
safe
environment
for
females
for
violent
for
non-violent
offenders,
Within
These
facilities.
C
So
that's
that's
the
reason
for
this
appropriation
to
bring
in
an
expert
section,
13
provides
at
any
DJJ
or
Adult
Correctional
Institute
employee,
receiving
an
increase
in
overall
compensation
due
to
either
a
base,
salary
increase
or
the
addition
of
new
or
increased
locality
pay
as
part
of
the
compensation
enhancement
process
beginning
in
December
of
2022,
shall
not
be
eligible
for
the
annual
Statewide
increments
or
increases
in
fiscal
year.
23
and
24..
C
E
Thank
you
for
such
a
heavy
lift,
Senator,
Carroll
and
I
did
get
the
opportunity
to
sit
in
on
one
of
the
meetings,
and
there
was
so
much
that
you
were
taking
on
with
your
team
with
the
regional
centers.
I've
got
one
in
Campbell,
County
and
kind
of
three
questions
tied
to
that.
The
average
length
of
housing
I've
been
asked
by
a
number
of
people
in
our
community.
E
C
Yeah
I
don't
have
the
data
on
on
with
those
numbers
and
I'm
sure
that
loic
does
have
that,
and
the
idea
is
to
establish
a
safe
environment
to
separate
the
females
and
and
I
I
visited
the
center
in
McCracken
County
and
basically,
the
way
it
was
set
up
is
different,
pods
and
within
those
pods.
You
had
males
and
females
and
all
types
of
activity
taking
place
in
proper
activity
under
that
model.
C
So
what
we
envision
is
to
be
able
to
separate
the
females
to
a
different
area
to
to
provide
that
access
to
that
particular
area
could
only
be
granted
from
inside
that
area
area.
So
that
would
prevent
if
there
were
to
be
a
riot
within
the
the
section
where
the
the
males
are,
they
would
be
unable
to
gain
access
to
a
control
room
that
would
give
them
access
to
the
female
area.
C
So
so
there
are
a
lot
of
different
concepts
in
a
lot
of
different
practices:
they're
going
to
have
to
take
place
construction
to
ensure
the
safety,
and
that's
why
the
need
for
the
expert
which
I
support
it
makes
sense.
But
I
don't
know
on
the
numbers.
I
know
you
know
any
time
within
detention,
I
think
we're
talking
less
than
200
at
any
given
time.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
may
I
ask
two
questions.
First
of
all,
Senator
Carroll
I
want
to
thank
you
so
very
much
for
this
presentation.
This
is
a
really
meaty
and
difficult
area
and
I
think
you've
done
a
wonderful
job
with
it.
But
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
When
we
look
at
page
15,
Section
5
part
3
line
16.
D
Should,
should
those
who've
retired
decide
to
come
back,
would
they
be
still
receiving
their
retirement
benefits
when
they
come
back
and
at
what
level
of
pay
would
they
be
coming
back
from
their
retirement.
C
They
would
come
back
at
the
current
level
of
pay,
and
if
this
this
would
again,
this
would
be
structured
the
same
way
that
KSP
does
their
Trooper
R
program.
So
they
those
same
rules
would
apply.
They
would
be
drawing
their
pension
and
I'm
not
completely
clear
on
all
the
other
stipulations
with
that,
but
it
is
my
understanding
that
they
come
back
at
the
the
current
pay.
Okay.
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
may
I
ask
my
second
question.
Thank
you,
and,
and
again
is
still
in
line
there.
If
we
drop
down
to
part
four,
there
was
a.
We
talked
about
return
of
those
who
have
been
previously
employed,
who
had
resigned
with
when
those
persons
are
allowed
to
come
back.
Will
they
also
be
coming
back
at
their
previous
levels?.
C
No,
they
would
come
back
at
the
minimum,
50,
000.
and
and
the
way
this
is
structured
for
the
entry-level,
youth
worker
or
juvenile
corrections
officer.
I.
Think
that's
that's
going
to
be
the
new
title.
The
base
pay
will
be
fifty
thousand
dollars
the
increment
that
got
them
to
that
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
where
they
were
previously.
That
increment
is
also
given
to
each
pay
grade
up
the
ladder.
So
that's
that's
how
that
that
is
set
up.
So
if
someone
retired
or
someone
resigned,
they
would
come
back.
E
C
F
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
Senator
Carol
I
want
to
start
by
by
thanking
you
again,
as
others
have,
but
your
leadership
on
this
work
group.
It
was
impressive.
I
had
the
chance
to
drift
in
and
out
and
watch
the
work
group,
your
your
co-chair
from
the
house,
you
and
he
very
ably
guided
a
conversation
that
was
bipartisan
in
many
many
ways
and
I.
Think
as
we
discussed
you
getting
to
the
place
of
the
document
you
have
in
front
of
us,
it
reflects
the
quality
of
the
work
that
was
done
by
so
many
that
companion.
C
F
F
C
Senator
Givens,
that's
an
excellent
question
and
I
know
this
may
sound
like
a
a
minor
issue,
but
in
conversations
that
I
had
with
former
employees
there,
there
has
been
a
change
in
expectation,
a
change
in
culture
within
DJJ.
Over
the
years
we
have
gone
from
a
structure
that
is
very
regimented,
very
structured,
very
disciplined
to
a
structure
where
there
is
no
discipline.
There
is
no
accountability.
C
C
So
there
has
been
a
complete
change
in
the
culture
that
overwhelmingly
from
all
that
I
spoke
with,
has
not
been
well
received
and
has
been
detrimental
to
the
success
rest
of
the
programs
to
the
functioning
of
each
one
of
these
detention
centers
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
recommendations
that
was
made
by
a
career
employee
that
was
there
the
day
DJJ
was
implemented.
He
said
when
they
went
away
from
uniforms.
C
That
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
of
the
structure
and
the
effectiveness
of
what
they
were
able
to
do
it
created
that
laxed
atmosphere
and
it's
you
know
it's
gone
down
from
that
point,
and
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
top
recommendations
this
gentleman
made
and
he
he
had
worked
his
way
up
in
DJJ
to
a
mid-level
management
position.
So
he
had
seen
this
from
from
each
level
throughout
his
career.
F
F
That's
embarrassing!
This
executive
branch
doesn't
have
enough
control
of
their
people
to
even
have
a
uniform
requirement
in
a
facility
like
this.
This
is
embarrassing.
Thank
you
for
your
leadership.
It
frustrates
me
to
no
end,
and
on
top
of
that,
if
you
look
at
the
fiscal
note,
we're
allocating
48
million
dollars
annually,
this
chairman
hates
spending
money.
We
know
that
you
were
on
the
committee
for
years.
He
recognizes
the
severity
of
the
issue,
48
million
dollars
annually
to
correct
something.
F
That's
broken.
That's
got
to
be
fixed,
it's
a
shame
that
we've
gotten
to
this
place,
I'm,
going
to
encourage
that
we
use
every
ounce
of
oversight.
We
have
you've
written
in
the
legislation,
a
house
appointee
and
a
senate
appointee
and
I
realize
they've
got
to
be
ex-officios
because
of
the
separation
of
branches.
They
can
only
be
non-voting
members,
but
whoever
those
members
end
up
being
be
it
you
be
it.
Someone
in
on
this
committee
or
someone
else
in
our
body.
F
A
G
Chairman
I'm
I,
too,
want
to
thank
Senator
Carroll
for
his
work.
I
had
the
honor
to
serve
on
the
committee
and
we
had
a
lot.
G
It
was
very
time
consuming
and
it
was
we
had
a
lot
to
digest
and
those
of
us
who've
worked
in
the
juvenile
justice
system
as
an
attorney
for
36
years,
I've
seen
all
the
national
Trends
I've
seen
us
go
from
one
side
to
the
other
and
and
then
as
a
policy
maker
for
the
last
25,
certainly
have
on
the
funding
side
and
everything
else
and
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
couple
things
you
know:
we've
got
the
national
Trends
have
dictated
our
policy
back
and
forth
on
some
of
the
issues
we've
discussed
today,
and
certainly
we
also
have
a
change
in
culture
in
accommodating
those
National
Trends
and
what
the
Studies
have
shown
through
the
years.
G
For
some
of
these
kids
I
don't
know
so,
we've
had
a
call,
a
change
of
of
people
that
we're
serving
as
juveniles
and
and
the
societal
issues
that
they
face
and
all
of
those
things
as
we
we're
usually
slow
to
adapt
and
other
states
are
going
through
the
same
thing
and
Staffing
I.
Think
in
all
sectors,
especially
public
sector
after
the
pandemic.
Staffing
is
very
important
and
I
like
to
see
the
money
been
put
in
the
Staffing
and
and
along
with
training
and
and
enhanced
security
measures.
G
I'm
blessed
to
have
the
boy
County
Center
in
my
district
prior
to
that,
my
kids,
from
both
Hazard
and
Grayson,
an
area
where
I
practice
in
Eastern
Kentucky
had
to
go
to
Louisville
and
they
had
to
go
to
Northern
Kentucky,
where
they
they
had
challenges.
And
this
is
why
I've
been
an
advocate
for
the
regional
model
and
I
appreciate
the
path
that
we're
going
down,
because
my
kids
were.
They
talked
different.
G
They
had
different
culture,
they
had
a
different
background
and
they
went
to
these
Urban
centers
and
they
came
back
usually
usually
worse
than
they
went
because
they
had
to
conform
or
be
bullied
or
worse.
So
I'm,
a
I'm,
a
proponent
of
the
regional
centers
I,
think
it's
important
to
tailor
that
to
the
diverse
regions
that
we
have
in
Kentucky
and
the
diverse
needs
of
our
children.
G
Along
with
that
I've
got
people
here
today
from
home.
One
works
in
the
court
system
so
very
aware
that
we
don't
have
the
services
that
many
of
these
Urban
centers
have.
We
just
don't
have
them.
We've
got
service
deserts
and
that's
a
mental
health
and
otherwise,
so
we
as
a
state
have
to
make
up
for
that.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
the
mental
health
side
of
this
as
well,
because
this
is
a
complex
multi-tiered
issue
and
you
know
there
have
been
inconsistencies
in
facility.
G
There's
inconsistencies
in
jurisdiction
in
dealing
with
these
children
and
and
judges
and
regions,
and
those
are
things
that
also
everybody
in
this
system's
got
to
work
together
to
improve
the
system.
Everybody
that
touches
that
juvenile
has
got
to
work
together
and
that's
why
I
think
Staffing
is
important
having
attracting
retaining
and
training
security.
Also
and-
and
some
kids
need
need.
This
there's
no
question
I
think
I
actually
agreed
with
the
senator
from
Boone.
In
the
last
discussion
we
had
on
Juvenile
Justice,
you
know,
judges
know
they
need
flexibility
and
kids.
G
Some
kids
need
this.
This
is
a
good
prevention
and
even
though
it
seems
like
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money,
the
money
that
work
cost
saving
in
in
identification
and
Remediation
on
issues
involving
those
children
will
pay
us
back.
Multi-Fold,
so
I
appreciate-
and
this
is
challenging
and
it's
going
to
be
ongoing.
G
There's
no
question
the
Syria
Juvenile
Justice
is
going
to
be
ongoing
and
we're
going
to
have
to
adapt
I've
Got
Confidence
in
Secretary,
Harvey,
I've
known
him
a
long
time
he's
he's
and
he's
listened
and
and
been
there
and
I
appreciate
the
work.
That's
been
done
in
crafting
this
document
and
I'm
happy
to
support
it.
As
a
member
of
the
work
group
and
again,
thank
you,
Senator
Carol,
for
for
bringing
it.
A
C
I
I
think
within
DJJ
they're
in
maximum
Staffing,
it's
around
a
thousand
and
I,
if
I
remember
correctly,
around
800
or
so
right
now
and-
and
that
fluctuates
and
keep
in
mind
this.
This
is
not
you
know
it
initially.
That
sounds
really
out
of
balance,
but
you
have
to
look
at
all
the
other
programs
and
services
that
DJJ
provides
the
through.
You
know:
monitoring
services
and
all
the
different
divisions
and
programs
within
DJJ.
I
Thank
you,
Senator
Carol
I
appreciate
all
your
work
and
the
collaborative
efforts
that
you've
made
with
others
in
this
environment
I
think
you
hit
it
the
nail
on
the
head
with
the
leadership
and
the
lacks
of
structure
within
the
facilities.
I've
served
with
at-risk
youth
as
an
educator
last
several
years
of
my
career
and
those
students
that
come
to
me
in
that
environment
are
very
similar
and
many
times
the
same
as
that
are
with
our
correctional
facilities
for
juveniles.
I
The
structure
within
DJJ
needs
to
change.
It
needs
to
be
a
more
structured
environment,
but
one
of
the
aspects
of
your
bill
that
I
really
appreciate
is
the
ongoing
professional
development
for
leadership,
because
it
is
that
ongoing
professional
development
that
changes
the
culture
within
DJJ.
It
keeps
you
up
to
date
on
best
practices.
I
want
to
applaud
you
also
for
your
comprehensive
compensation
packages
for
workers,
as
we've
seen,
this
go
across
many
many
different
sectors
in
our
communities.
That
is
another
key
factor
in
obtaining
quality
staff.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
want
to
apologize
for
being
late.
I
was
testifying
in
another
committee
and
didn't
hear
all
of
the
conversation
here,
but
I
do
want
to.
This
is
not
a
question.
It's
more
of
a
comment.
I
do
want
to
indicate
that
I
appreciate
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
Senator
Webb
and
the
previous
comment
here,
but
I
also
want
to
compliment
you
Senator
on
how
definitely
this
was
handled
in
terms
of
the
language
and
the
coverage
that
you
have
here.
J
I
think
here
you
create
the
Dynamics
and
the
standard,
or
at
least
the
context
by
which
we
can
address
problems
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
I.
Think
that's
very
key
to
this.
You
know.
I
often
have
said
that
you
know.
None
of
us
are
in
these
facilities.
None
of
us
are
faced
with
these
responsibilities,
but
we
all
have
some
window
of
understanding
with
respect
to
that.
It's
going
to
take
the
underground
engagement
over
a
period
of
time
to
really
work
this
through
to
meet
this.
J
C
Chairman,
just
a
quick
comment
and
I
want
to
thank
secretary
Harvey
secretary
friedlander.
This
is
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
work
together
on
as
we
move
forward,
we've
had
very
productive
conversations,
I've
known
secretary
Harvey,
my
entire
life
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
he
has
the
same
goals
that
we
do
the
one
thing
that
we
have
disagreed
on
the
most
Senator
Givens.
This
has
to
do
with
leadership.
C
We
have
repeatedly
called
for
the
commissioner
to
be
replaced,
and
that
is
something
that
is
not
under
discussion,
not
something
the
executive
branch
is,
is
willing
to
do
and
I
fear
it's
a
result
of
political
patronage.
She
seems
to
be
a
very
nice
lady,
but
overwhelmingly
from
those
within
the
system
who
we
have
spoken
with,
feel
that
she
does
not
have.
C
The
ability
does
not
have
the
credibility
to
to
get
the
organization
where
it
needs
to
be
she
retired
from
that
organization,
some
15
17
years
years
ago,
and
has
not
worked
in
a
a
position
similar
to
this
since
since
that
time,
and
we
need
new
leadership
and
I
I
hope
that
the
executive
branch
comes
around
and
makes
that
decision,
because
I
think
we're
our
Effectiveness
is
going
to
be
limited
until
that
happens.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
D
J
A
A
A
F
We
just
agreed
to
spend
48
million
dollars
annually,
I'm
asking
for
us
to
go
just
a
small
bit
further
and
spend
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
one
time
to
make
sure
that
this
48
million
dollars
is
spent
correctly.
Very
simply
stated
this.
This
legislation
would
would
tell
the
office
of
the
auditor
to
contract
with
an
outside
independent
third
party,
to
perform
a
full
performance
review
of
these
DJJ
pre-adjudication
facilities,
we're
narrowing
the
focus
down
to
just
the
detention
facilities
alone
and
we're
requesting
a
full
performance
review.
F
The
second
paragraph
that
you
see
there
under
section
one
clarifies
the
need
for
Independence
we're
saying
whatever
entity
that
the
auditor
contracts
with
cannot
be
the
current
entity
that
accredits
these
facilities
a
truly
independent
group.
We
have
a
report
deadline
of
October,
the
15th
2023,
you
see
there
in
the
third
paragraph
and
then
the
scope
is
outlined
in
section
three
scope,
meaning
we're
trying
to
get
to
the
the
core
of
this
culture.
Question
interviews
with
Frontline
employees.
F
Reviewing
the
current
Staffing
procedures
and
compliance
or
non-compliance
with
those
procedures,
reviewing
incident
reporting
procedures,
receipt
review
and
actions
taken
by
DJJ
related
to
complaints
and
concerns
from
employees,
because
we
heard
over
the
course
of
time
in
this
work
group
lots
of
complaints
about
reports
being
altered.
Reports
being
altered
these
monthly
reports.
We
need
reviews
of
those
we
need
reviews
of
all
complaints
and
exit
interview
forms,
so
we
can
get
to
the
core
of
the
culture
of
this
broken
institution.
With
that
I'll
be
glad
to
entertain
any
questions.
Mr
chairman
very.
F
G
A
H
I
A
Either
being
10
eye
votes,
no
nay
votes,
the
measure
passes
with
favorable
expression.
There
is
a
title:
Amendment
reflecting
the
appropriation.
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
the
title:
Amendment
Senator
Webb
do
I
have
a
second
by
Senator,
May's
Bledsoe
all
is
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
like
sign.
You
guys
have
it
if
it
pleases,
the
sponsor
I'll
entertain
a
motion
for
consent.
If
not
all
right
at
this
time,
all
right,
then
we
will
not
take
a
motion
for
consent
at
this
point
in
time.