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A
Like
to
welcome
each
of
you
to
our
natural
resource,
Committee
hearing
today
and
I,
think
it's
going
to
be
a
full
meeting,
so
we
are
going
to
move
rather
quickly
and
try
to
make
sure
we
get
all
the
bills
covered
and
taken
care
of
them
in
due
time.
This
time,
if
you'll
join
me,
we're
going
to
stand
and
say
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
B
A
D
A
You're,
welcome
and
I
have
a
few
I
have
my
daughter,
Hadley
gray
stand
up
there,
Hadley
she's
with
us
and
my
intern.
Also
a
young
fellow
from
hazards
with
us
today.
I
think
that's
Terry
stand
up
if
you
couldn't
just
give
them
a
warm
Round
of
Applause.
A
And
I
have
another
group
here
with
me
from
brother
County,
the
Jackson
City
Schools
I
believe
this
is
the
talented
and
gifted
group
that
may
be
with
you
or
leadership.
Well,
it's
about
the
same.
It's
a
very,
very
impressive
group.
If
you
won't,
please
stand
up
and
let
us
recognize
you.
A
So
don't
forget
that
all
right
folks,
let's
move
quickly
we're
going
to
go
a
little
bit
out
of
order,
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
Senate
Bill,
277
and
I'd
like
to
ask
the
cabinet,
that's
going
to
be
speaking
to
go
ahead
and
come
to
the
table
and,
as
you
all
come
to
the
table,
we
know
you
all,
but
just
go
ahead
and
state
your
names
and
positions
for
our
records
and
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
turn
it
over
to
you.
This
is
a
bill
I
filed
for
the
cabinet.
A
E
Chairman
members
of
the
committee,
we
appreciate
that
and
we
have
a
PowerPoint
that's
available
for
any
information
additional
information
you
might
want,
where
you
may
have
some
of
these
features
or
facilities
in
your
District.
We'll
have
that
information
available
to
the
to
the
committee
and
certainly
I'm.
Sorry,
sir.
A
I
wanted
to
be
I
want
to
be
be
fair
with
you,
but
but
we
can
make
it
available
to
any
of
the
members
or
any
of
the
guests
I'd
like
to
see
absolutely.
E
E
Yes,
sir,
so
what
the
bill
does,
is
it
amends
151
to
include
the
necessity
of
having
a
emergency
action
plan
for
a
significant
or
high
Hazard?
Damn
I
always
want
to
point
this
out
for
it
down
to
be
significant
or
high
Hazard.
It
doesn't
mean
that
the
dam
is
structurally
unsound
and
potentially
ready
to
collapse.
It
could
mean
that,
but
a
dam
can
also
be
defined
as
significant
High
Hazard.
E
If
it
has
people
who
live
below
the
dam
who
might
be
in
the
inundation
zone
and
the
unfortunate
event
that
the
dam
might
have
a
catastrophic
release,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we
know
what
the
context
is.
An
emergency
action
plan
require
each
Dam
owner
to
have
a
plan
in
place
as
to
what
actions
and
responses
might
take
place.
Should
a
situation
like
that
arise.
E
We
also
have
within
our
agency
our
environmental
response
team.
So
we
we
understand
how
important
it
is
to
at
least
have
a
plan
in
case
something
happens
and
and
understand
that
if
that
unlikely
event
were
to
happen,
you
might
have
to
shift
on
the
fly.
But
we
we
saw
last
year's,
for
instance,
down
in
the
city
of
Marion
through
no
fault
their
own.
They
have
it.
E
They
have
a
dam
that
impounds
water,
that's
their
drinking
water
supply,
which
makes
it
even
doubly
important
and
they
they
began
to
develop
a
fairly
slow
leak
in
the
dam
and
when
there
was
a
decision
made
that
we
needed
to
take
a
look
at
this.
There
was
a
period
of
time
there
where
there
were
so
many
voices
speaking,
we
didn't
really
have
a
plan
and
to
know
which
way
to
go,
and
so
it
worked
out.
Okay
in
the
end,
but
having
had
a
plan
in
place,
I
think
we
would
have
responded
more
timely
and
effectively.
E
A
D
I've
worked
on
this
issue
on
these
things
for
many
many
years,
I
just
want
it
resolved
it.
It
appreciate
you
all
I
mean
there's
Maps,
there's
all
this
information
there
now
this
is
just
an
enhancement
of
what
exists
and
and
for
the
protection
of
others.
So,
yes,
Senator.
A
Vote
I'm
the
motion
of
the
second
to
approve
Senate
Bill
277,
with
the
expression
that
the
same
Shall
Pass
spell
us
out.
Thank
you
men
for
your
time.
Yes,
sir
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
we'll
keep
moving,
and
at
this
time
I
would
like
to
ask
Senator
Turner
to
come
to
the
table.
If
he
could,
he
has
Senate
Bill
266,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
226.,
yeah,.
G
F
G
Going
to
do
a
with
permission
of
chairman
I'm
going
to
do
just
a
short
statement
and
then
turn
it
over
to
these
two
gentlemen
and
probably
at
the
end,
and
highlight
some
sections
of
the
statute
itself
to
make
it
easier
this.
The
purpose
this
bill
is
generally
mining
permits
or
follow-up
program
where,
if
they
an
applicant,
makes
a
permit
request,
the
cabinet's
got
60
days
within
which
to
answer.
Then
you've
got
the
water
group
that
has
to
be
involved
in
it.
G
But
the
cabinet
can
wait
59
days
and
say
your
application
ain't
finished
and
they
start
their
60
days
over.
So
in
the
water
group,
don't
get
joined
up
till
the
cabinet
gets
through
with
it.
So
this
bill
just
putting
in
a
short
changes
that
process
to
make
it
easier
for
applicants,
especially
when
you've
got
some
co-companied.
That's
just
trying
to
extend
a
section
that
they
already
got
a
permit
and
they
want
to
go
farther
into
that
property
or
even
a
new
property.
G
H
You
Senator
and
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
come
and
speak
on
this
bill
today.
Senator
Turner
said
I
mean
this
is
really
a
procedural
bill
to
help
streamline
and
hopefully
speed
the
process
of
obtaining
permits
that
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
issues
under
the
Clean
Water
Act,
and
it
really
does
four
things.
H
First
of
all,
with
respect
to
obtaining
permits
in
certain
streams
that
are
designated
as
habitat
for
certain
species,
it
allows
the
cabinet
to
have
a
little
more
guidance
from
this
body
in
terms
of
the
considerations
that
should
go
into
play
there
and
help
clarify
for
their
permit
Riders
how
those
requests
for
permits
should
be
analyzed
and
resolved.
It
clarifies
an
issue.
H
It
provides
a
clear,
administ,
illustrative
process
to
challenge
decisions
related
to
what
I
would
consider,
in
some
cases,
in
very
rare
cases,
unnecessary
delays
in
issuing
permits.
It
provides
the
applicant
with
a
way
to
challenge
the
sort
of
inaction
by
an
agency,
and
then,
finally,
it
clarifies
the
limited
scope
of
the
section.
H
401
certification
process
and
I
know
that
Rusty
has
addressed
that
issue
with
some
of
his
clients
as
well,
and
it's
an
issue
where
the
state
has
flexibility,
and
this
would
just
be
guidance
from
this
body
explaining
the
state
how
it
should
administer
that
process.
Happy
to
answer
any
detailed
questions
or
address
any
concerns
that
the
committee
has.
A
All
right
Fitz,
we
have
you
down
to
speak
to.
When
does
this
come
up
to
the
table
with
everyone
else,
and
you
got
you
can
just
stay
there.
If
you
want
to
Rusty.
I
G
J
Yeah
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
declarity
Tom
Fitzgerald,
former
director
of
the
Kentucky
Resources
Council
I,
sent
my
concerns
to
Senator,
Turner
and
I
understand.
The
cabinet
is
also
sent
every
member
of
this
committee
a
list
of
their
concerns,
many
of
which
are
similar
concerns.
J
We've
not
had
a
chance
to
talk,
so
I
won't
go
into
detail
today
because
we
have
not
had
that
opportunity,
but
I
I
did
mention
Senator
I
wanted
to
let
the
committee
know
that
I
have
real
concerns
about
the
direct
and
the
unintended
consequences
of
this
bill
on
the
ability
of
the
cabinet
to
do
its
job
protecting
water
quality,
particularly
where
there
are
threatened
and
endangered
species
there
and
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
that,
but
otherwise
we
will
be
in
conversation.
J
The
bill
is
is
more
than
just
a
process
bill.
It
has
a
substantive
impact
that
I
think
will
interfere
with
the
cabinet's
ability
to
do
its
job.
Thank
you.
A
Very
good
do
I,
have
any
have
a
motion.
A
second
on
the
bill.
Do
I,
have
any
members
have
any
questions,
Senator
Webb,
please
go
ahead.
D
Having
worked
with
former
secretary
wilcher
substantially
on
these
water
issues
in
the
past
and
trying
to
correlate
and
even
get
Kentucky
Primacy
and
spending
many
months
and
trying
to
do
that,
and-
and
we
did
have
some
benefit
with
agency
interaction
and
whatnot
in
those
discussions
a
few
years
ago,
under
the
Fletcher
Administration
I'm,
just
an
old
former
natural
resource
prosecutor
and
and
when
I
see
some
of
the
cabinet's
concerns.
I
think
that
you
know
we
have
still
have
to
conform
to
the
ACT.
D
Water
is
our
most
important
resource
and
from
a
fish
and
wildlife
habitat
standpoint
as
well.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
covered
here,
I
think
I
I
believe
in
the
intent
of
the
bill.
I
believe
we
do
need
expedited
processes.
I
think
the
pandemic
has
been
our
detriment
also
in
that
regard,
and
people
working
from
home
and
hopefully
that's
getting
better
so
but
I
do-
would
have
a
better
Comfort
level
and
maybe
seeing
some
floor
amendments
to
address
some
of
these
issues.
But
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
G
I
just
want
to
respond
to
that
the
statute.
It
reads:
no,
it
impose
any
conditions
that
are
more
strange
than
those
require
the
United
States
fish
and
wildlife
service
to
protect
so
I
put
that
in
the
bill
to
protect
that
what's
the
fish
and
wildlife
concerns
are
that's
in
the
bill
thanks,
Mr
chairman,
that's
all
very
good
clerk,
we'll
call
the
roll
Senator.
G
A
A
You
all
right
so
now
we
have
we're
going
to
go
back
to
our
regular
order.
We
have
Senate
Bill
192.
it'll
be
Senator
Philip
wheeler,
as
he
comes
down.
I
Senate
Bill
192
will
permit
a
limited
securitization
of
an
already
decommissioned
asset
with
book
values
of
at
least
200
million
dollars.
Individual
assets
with
a
book
value
of
at
least
200
million
dollars,
as
of
June,
1st
2023
or
multiple
assets
by
an
individual
company,
with
a
value
of
at
least
275
million
dollars.
As
of
June
1st
2023,
the
result
of
this
legislation
will
be
savings
to
Eastern
Kentucky
rate
payers
of
between
8
and
10
million
dollars
per
year.
I
It
looks
backwards
to
try
to
correct
something
which
has
already
occurred
and
I
think
in
conjunction
with
Senate
Bill
4
sponsored
by
my
friend,
Robbie
Mills
shows
that
this
Senate
and
this
legislature
will
promote
a
balanced
Economic.
Policy
energy
policy
focused
upon
reliability
as
well
as
affordability.
A
A
Vote
I.
The
motion
is
second
to
approve
Senate
Bill
192
is
approved
with
the
expression
that
the
same
Shall
Pass
congratulations
on
getting
your
bill
out.
If
you
want
to
go
and
stay
there,
I
think
the
next
bill
is
going
to
be
with
you
as
well.
I
think
we
have
Pat.
Reagan
is
Mary
Pat
here
yeah
Isaac
there
she
is
yeah
yeah
since
you're
the
sponsor
I
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
have
you.
F
A
Together
and
Mary,
if
you'll
just
identify
yourself
for
our
records
there
at
the
table,
turn
your
mic
on.
A
Mary,
listen,
congratulations,
you're,
being
nominated
for
very,
very
prestigious
position
on
the
Public,
Service,
Commission
and
obviously
I
think
one.
This
committee
takes
very,
very
serious,
so
much
of
the
work
that
we
do
at
home.
That
really
relies
on
having
smart
leadership
and
that
role,
because
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
affects
our
constituents
and
that
realm
is
out
of
our
power.
So
we
as
legislators
have
to
trust
a
very
strong
and
independent
and
informed
Public
Service
Commission.
A
A
J
A
K
A
And
coming
from
a
state,
that's
always
a
very,
very
affordable
power
and
very
reliable
power
to
the
present
moment
now,
where
it's
becoming
the
rolling
blackouts
are
now
built
into
what
the
utilities
are
having
to
deal
with.
We
have
our
utilities
that
are
caught
between
federal
policy
like
what
happened
in
the
previous
Bill,
where
they
were
pretty
well
forced
through
punishment
of
either
emissions
lawsuits
or
having
the
2015
Ash
permit,
pulled
from
them:
lots
of
threats
and
litigation
for
them
to
continue
to
keep
these
plants
open
and
so
to
idle.
A
These
or
close
these
due
to
Federal
swinging
policy
and
limited
for
what
we
can
do
at
the
state
which
puts
the
Public
Service
Commission
in
a
very
you
know,
important
role
as
we
go
forward.
It's
one
that,
from
your
background,
I
can
see
you
you
fully
understand.
A
Do
you
have
any
reservations
about
tackling
this
with
the
market?
The
way
it
is
right
now,
I.
K
A
And
let
me
ask
you
this
in
this
role:
what
do
you
hope
to
achieve
as
you
get
move
forward?
If
we
nominate
you
and
get
you
out
which
I
I
think
you
will?
What
is
your
goal?
What's
Mary's
goal
for
this
term
that
you'll
be
serving
on
the
Public
Service
Commission?
What
do
you
hope
to
achieve
while
you're
there
well.
K
A
D
And
I
just
have
a
comment:
I've
known
Mary,
Pat
Reagan
for
a
number
of
years.
In
her
background
in
telecommunications,
working
on
National,
Regulatory
and
state
issues,
and
as
well
as
economic
development,
I
think
she
has
a
pretty
good
grasp
of
the
impact
of
the
Public
Service
Commission
and
those
decisions
that
will
impact
all
kentuckians
in
that
matter,
so
I'm
glad
to
see
her
here.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
I
Any
comments
I've
met
with
Miss
Reagan
I
I
feel
confident
that
she
supports
the
balanced
energy
policy
that
you
and
I
share
on
this
committee.
I've
also
talked
with
our
current
chairman
Chandler,
who
has
a
great
faith
that
she
is
a
a
friend
of
the
Kentucky
consumer
as
well
as
a
responsible
Arbiter
that
we'll
see
that
again,
cheap,
clean,
reliable
energy
is
delivered
to
the
consumers
of
Kentucky.
A
Very
good
Mary,
Pat,
Reagan,
I
I,
will
say
this
without
fear
of
challenge.
I
think
you
are
going
to
be
one
of
the
best
candidates
we
put
forward
for
this.
You've
got
a
great
reputation
for
being
a
fighter
and
being
tenacious,
and
we
need
that
now.
This
is
tough.
Energy
is
not
something
that's
easy.
We
are
looking
at
new
factors
that
we've
never
seen
before
and
the
coal
snap.
A
Now
as
we
look
at
idling
down
plants,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
these
plants
are
available
when
times
are
tough
and
the
weather's
bad,
and
there
has
to
be
a
human
factor
that
the
boardrooms
are
going
to
have
to
look
at
as
we
go
forward.
I
don't
have
your
job,
but
I
will
tell
you've
got
a
tremendous
group
of
support
right
here
in
the
general
assembly,
especially
in
natural
resources
and
I,
commend
you
for
allowing
us
to
put
you
forward
for
this
and
wish
you
well.
Do
you
have
any
closing
comments.
K
Thank
you,
chairman.
No,
as
I
said
to
Senator
wheeler,
you
know
we.
We
are
here
to
answer
questions
that
you
may
have.
We
can't
speak
on
specific
cases
in
front
of
us,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
change
going
on
in
all
the
different
water.
You
know
gas,
electric
and
so
I
know
that
there
will
be
a
lot
of
questions
and
our
door
is
always
open
to
if
people
have
questions
or
we
need
to
come
over
here
and
and
go
through
things,
so
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you.
A
F
A
Let's
make
sure
we
get
everything
and
do
order
all
right,
so
we
have
a
motion
in
second
I'll:
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
Let
me
get
you
started
up
right
here.
B
Can
I
just
explain
my
vote?
Yes,
please
do
I'm
voting
I,
but
Senator
wheeler
and
I
made
contact
when
you
started
asking
those
first
questions.
We
both
got
nervous
that
we're
gonna
have
to
answer
all
those
questions.