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A
Here
and
we
have
our
Quorum-
we've
got
a
very
packed
agenda
here
today.
So
if
you
are
testifying
today,
if
you
can
just
keep
it
to
the
high
high
level
presentation
to
enable
us
to
ask
you
any
questions,
we'll
try
to
make
it
through
our
agenda
here
really
quick.
First
on
the
item
on
the
agenda
is
Senate
Bill,
241,
Senator
Webb.
Has
the
commissioner
with
him
with
her
and
if
you
can,
if
you
can
introduce
yourself
in
the
floor,
is
yours.
C
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
briefly,
many
of
you
remember
last
year's
Senate
Bill
217,
which
gave
fish
and
wildlife
autonomy
in
certain
areas
of
procurement
and
other
issues.
This
bill
kind
of
clarifies
some
of
the
transitional
issues
and
conflicts
that
we've
had
with
finance
and
implementing
the
intent
of
Senate,
Bill
217
and
then
the
most
one
of
the
most
important
pieces
to
me.
If
you
recall
it
also
had
a
component
regarding
a
three-state
elk,
habitat
initiative
with
a
Rocky
Mountain
Elk
Foundation
contributed
money.
C
The
Nature
Conservancy
is
a
great
partner
working
with
Tennessee
and
Virginia,
and
establishing
this
it's
got
support
all
over
the
state
and
all
over
America,
and
this
just
it's
been
perhaps
slow,
walked
a
little
bit
by
Finance
it
in
case,
and
this
gives
us
the
tools.
Thank
you
Mr
leader.
C
E
A
E
A
Didn't
have
one
sorry,
the
yes
correct
so
so
now
we're
open
to
that
up
into
a
motion
from
Senator
motion
on
the
sub
Center
for
pike
has
a
motion
on
the
bill,
as
amended
by
the
sub.
Do
we
have
a
second?
We
have
second
from
Senator,
Thayer
and
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
F
A
Okay,
it's
going
to
Bill
241
is
amended
by
the
committee
sub
passes,
with
favorable
expression,
with
the
expression
at
the
same
shall
pass
on
to
the
senate
floor.
Eight
zero!
Thank
you
so
much
Senator
Webb!
Thank
you.
Members,
Mr.
G
G
we're
all
familiar
with
the
recent
parking
rate
increase
controversy
in
Lexington
businesses
downtown
are
still
struggling
to
recover
post
covid
shut
down.
Lockdown
Etc
I
passed
a
resolution
that
you
all
voted
for
that
urged
Lex
Park
and
Lexington
city
council
to
work
together
to
bring
the
fees
back
in
line
and
eliminate
the
evening
and
weekend
parking
fees,
a
lot
of
great
places
to
eat
and
shop
around
Fayette
County,
a
lot
of
places
outside
New,
Circle
Road,
don't
charge
parking
downtown.
G
I
was
glad
to
see
that
Lex
Park
and
the
council
work
together
to
deal
with
the
situation,
but
it
it
Unearthed
a
different
situation,
and
that
is,
we've
got
a
public
entity
here,
unelected,
not
accountable
to
the
voters,
setting
parking
rates,
passing
a
budget
and
in
accordance
with
the
something
that
I've
been
very
consistent
on.
G
I
have
a
big
problem
when
unelected
boards
can
raise
taxes
and
fees
and
spend
money
without
being
accountable
to
some
sort
of
elected
body.
We
worked
on
Senator,
Wheeler's,
Library,
Bill,
same
concept,
same
philosophy,
and
so
it's
Senate,
Bill
75
simply
says
that
the
budgets
for
Lex
Park
and
any
future
parking
rate
increases
need
to
be
approved
by
city
council
now
I
know
there
was
a
time
that
city
council
voted
to
take
that
responsibility
off
their
shoulders.
G
A
A
Could
come
up
here
and
Sir
if
you
have
about
maybe
two
minutes
or
so,
if
you
could
kind
of
explain
your
position,
we'd
be
happy
to
hear
from
you.
That's
a
nice
suit.
Thank.
I
You
you
as
well,
sir
lawyer
suit.
Indeed
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
am
James
Fraser,
chair
of
the
parking
authority
in
Lexington,
Fayette
County,
Kentucky
I
am
one
of
those
unelected
people
that
the
senator
refers
to.
We
were
formed
in
06
to
take
over
the
parking
for
the
City
of
Lexington.
The
garages
were
falling
down,
they
were
dangerous,
they
were
not
lit
well
in
the
on
Street
enforcement
was
non-existent,
it's
a
six-person
board.
I
We
are
not
elected
you're,
correct
Senator
and
one
of
the
persons
on
the
board
represents
the
mayor's
office
SEC,
commissioner
Finance
it
rotates.
But
the
mayor
appoints
us.
We
we
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
mayor,
and
so
we
do
have
someone
we
do
answer
to
the
reason
the
city
came
to
us
because
or
create
this
entity.
They
want
to
get
out
of
the
parking
business
they
didn't
because
they
weren't
doing
a
good
job.
It's
just
the
money
that
was
going
at
was
taxpayer
money.
I
Today
there
is
no
taxpayer
money
being
utilized
to
take
care
of
the
garages
downtown
and
to
enforce
on-street
parking.
It's
all
revenue
driven,
not
90,
but
100.
We
get
no
money
from
the
government,
no
money
from
the
state,
no
money
from
anyone,
it's
all
strictly
from
revenues
we
create
on
our
own.
Now.
The
question
I
ask
is:
why
did
they
get
out
of
the
parking
business
I
think
they
wanted
to
have
a
separate,
distinct
entity.
Much
like
the
airport
board,
much
like
what
we
have
in
Louisville,
which
is
the
same
entity.
I
I
We
should
have
gotten
more
stakeholders
at
the
table
and
because
of
that,
at
our
last
emergency
call
meeting
special
meeting
to
agree
to
adopt
the
agreement
that
I
worked
out
with
mayor
Gordon
that
we
now
have
in
our
bylaws
that
we
are
required
to
take
any
potential
rate
increase
to
the
government,
Lexington
Federal
County
government,
at
least
60
days
ahead
of
time
to
give
them
a
heads
up
and
to
give
them
an
idea
if
they
want
to
call
people
in
to
get
stakeholders,
approval
and
stakeholders
input.
It's
not
that
we
don't
want
that.
I
It's
simply
I
think
the
purpose
of
this
bill
of
what
was
created.
Initially,
it's
going
to
gut
what,
while
we're
here
and
the
reason
we
did,
the
rate
increase,
and
you
all
know
this
better
than
I.
Do
we
got
hit
with
a
perfect
storm
in
Fayette
County,
the
city,
along
with
the
University
of
Kentucky,
entered
into
an
agreement
to
take
some
property
and
coal
stream.
Well,
in
return
for
that,
culturing
property
Lexington,
Urban,
County
Government
had
to
give
up
something
they
gave
up
200
of
our
Prime
parking
places
around
UK.
I
That's
real
dollars
to
this
parking
authority.
400
some
odd
thousand
dollars
a
year
just
wiped
out
and
gone
okay
that
happens
to
us
and
then
the
second
thing
happens
to
us.
We've
had
some
issues
downtown
with
security,
as
you
all
well
know,
so
we
have
gone
to
our
own
budgets
and
put
a
line
item
in
of
150
000
a
year
for
additional
security
to
help
us
Patrol
the
downtown
garages
at
night
midnight
to
4
a.m,
because
it's
there
are
some
things
going
on,
at
least
in
the
summertime
that
mayor
to
that.
That's
a
permanent
line.
I
Item
expense
for
this
parking
authority
that
never
existed
before.
So
you
have
those
two
loss
of
Revenue,
more
expenses
and
like
the
rest
of
us
in
private
sector,
cost
of
Labor's
gone
up
and
the
garages
are
costing
us
a
fortune.
You,
the
garages,
eat
money
they're
worse
than
the
horse
business,
it's
24
7.
and
it's
it's
I
mean
you
know
that
Senator,
it's
a
million
dollars
a
year,
and
so
you
pay
for
those
expenses
you
pay
for
that
safety.
You
pay
for
all
that,
with
the
revenue
made
on
the
street.
Okay.
A
Miss
treasure
Senator
wheeler
has
a
question.
E
I
Well,
yes,
and
no
absolutely
and
as
I
said
before
any
time,
the
mayor
wants
a
resignation
from
us.
It's
there.
We
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
her
right
now
and
her
predecessors
and
right
now
in
our
own
bylaws,
we
are
required
self-required,
self-reported
to
go
to
the
government
and
give
them
60
days
notice
that
we're
contemplating
doing
something.
This
bill,
though
talk
goes
further.
I
have
to
get
permission,
I
have
to
get
their
approval.
That
puts
them
back
in
the
game.
With
me,
they
now
they're.
I
Now
my
business
partner
in
the
parking
and
I,
don't
think
that's
what
that
local
government
wanted
and
and
we'll
say
this
and
I
know
that
the
senator
referred
to
it
and
I
I
do
appreciate,
believe
it
or
not.
You're.
Bringing
these
things
to
the
attention
of
all
of
us.
The
government
and
myself
and
my
board
got
together
in
a
room
and
worked
out
a
deal.
Local
people,
local
problems,
we've
worked
at
our
own
issues.
Home
rules
always
been
the
way
it
is
I
with
all
due
respect.
I
E
Did
pass
on
the
sickness
outside
everything
you're
just
saying
fine,
but
I
mean
again
I
mean
sounds
like
at
least
from
what
you're
telling
us
here
today
that
you're
making
responsible
decisions,
at
least
I
mean
I,
haven't
looked
into
it,
but
that's
what
you're
saying
so.
Why
would
not
the
elected
political
leaders
who
are
askable
to
the
voters?
All
Senator
Claire's
asking
for
is
a
little
bit
of
buy-in
from
the
people
that
appoint
you,
that
oversee
you
and
to
keep
things
on
the
track.
I
mean
what
what
mayor
Gordon
said.
J
E
J
I
A
Not
okay,
Mr
Frazier,
Senator,
Thayer.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
Jim
I
appreciate
your
testimony
today.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
here
this
is
the
reason
I
sponsor
a
bill
like
this
from
time
to
time
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
admitted
that
the
rollout
was
botched
absolutely
and
I
agree
with
you
on
local
control,
but
business
owners
downtown
felt
like
they
had
no
other
recourse
and
I
guess
they
know
how
indignant
I
can
get
from
time
to
time.
So
they
reached
out
to
me
so
and
also
Mr
chairman
on
the
record.
G
I
never
said,
Lex
Park
doesn't
do
a
good
job
as
somebody
who
dines
out
often
in
downtown
Lexington
I,
use
your
facilities
and
I
understand
the
security
issues
you're
having
to
face.
This
is
good
conversation
we've
had
here
today,
but
I
would
appreciate
the
support
of
members
of
the
committee.
I
think
we
should
get
the
bill
out
of
the
committee
and
then
we
can
go
from
there.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
okay,.
A
K
Difference
between
being
responsive
to
the
mayor
of
Lexington
in
responsive
to
the
elected
officials
that
you
feel
should
be
the
people
responsible
to.
Can
you
explain
just
a
little
bit
what
the
difference
in
that
structure
is?
If
it's,
if
it's
not
the
mayor
yeah,
who
is
an
elected
official,
how
does
this
change
that.
K
G
A
B
K
I,
just
don't
understand
honestly
I
mean
to
me
this
is
a
real
overreach,
we're
supposed
to
be
empowering
local,
a
government
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
this
is
even
our
business,
so
I'm
a
no,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
the
issue.
I
do
want
to
say
just
so.
You
all
know:
I
am
a
graduate
of
University
of
Kentucky
I,
absolutely
love,
Lexington
It's,
a
Wonderful
City,
and
thank
you
for
everything.
You're
doing.
F
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
appreciate
both
sides
of
this
particular
issue.
Having
served
now
in
two
roles
on
different
sides
and
Mr,
Frazier
is
a
phenomenal
job
and
I
think
you've
addressed
many
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
over
the
last
couple
years
and
I
want
to
applaud
yours
in
the
mayor's
efforts
to
get
to
a
resolution
that
made
sense,
I
support
the
resolution,
I
support,
senator
thayers
interest
dedication
and
bringing
honestly
getting
people
to
the
table
and
getting
it
done.
I
think
this
goes
a
step
too
far.
J
J
A
We're
good
Senate
sin:
Bill
75
passes
a
favorable
expression.
The
same
shall
pass
on
the
senate
floor,
seven
yeses
one
pass
and
one
no
thank
you.
Senator
Thayer
thank.
A
You
all
right
next
up
is
send
Bill
123
Senator
Turner
is
patiently
waiting
there,
Senator
Turner.
If
you
could
come
forward
and
give
us
your
name
and
give
us
a
short
explanation
of
your
bill.
We've
got
about
six
more
bills
to
go
with
about
35
minutes.
Thank.
M
You
Mr
chairman
I'm
Johnny
Turner
from
the
29th
District.
This
build
is
very
simple
back
in
2010
when
covet
hit,
the
notaries
got
going
from
one
state
to
another,
got
basically
shut
down
because
of
that
and
had
to
zoom
you
all
passed
the
bill
before
these
out
of
State
thing
could
be
done
because
Secretary
of
State's
office
through
the
governor,
gave
a
special
commission
I
passed
a
letter
out
to
you
all
from
the
director.
That
explains
it
very
well.
I
believe
everybody's.
M
From
Senator
very
simple,
the
ladies
and
gentlemen
I've
taken
hundreds
of
deposition
in
Tennessee,
because
people
get
hurt
and
whatever
you
go
down
there
for
treatment,
they
can't
go
out
of
state
and
notarize
it,
but
they
can
zoom
into
it
still.
So
this
bill
says
no,
you
can
go
out
of
state
and
do
it.
She
approves
it
and
I.
Want
you
to
know
the
man
from
California.
That's
over.
The
national
call
me
personally
is
sent
Philip
wheeler
Senator
wheeler
a
letter,
I'm
going
to
note.
M
D
A
A
F
A
M
A
N
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Jimmy
Higdon
state
senator
14th,
Senate
District.
This
Senate
joint
resolution
is
gives
the
ppob
the
authority
to
have
a
subcommittee
to
look
at
certain
aspects
of
our
retirement
system
and
Mr
chairman.
As
you
are
aware,
and
several
on
the
committee,
we
just
underwent
an
Actuarial
audit
of
all
three
of
the
systems
and
those
actuaries
made
recommendations.
We
need
to
review
that
audit
and
and
look
at
those
recommendations
and
also
to
further
there's
a
we
need
to
further
define
the
role
of
cers,
KRS
and
kppa.
N
We
did
that
legislation
a
few
years
ago
and
and
there's
still
a
few
rough
spots.
We
need
to
discuss
and
and
and
work
out,
and
also
to
evaluate
options
for
coordinating
and
consolidating
and
making
our
pension
systems
more
efficient,
and
that's
that's
simply
what
it
does.
It
creates
a
subcommittee,
a
ppob,
very.
J
K
F
A
Senate
resolution
joint
resolution
83
passes
with
favorable
expression,
with
the
expression
that
the
same
shall
pass
on
the
senate
floor.
9-0.
A
A
All
right,
we
have
two
two
bills
from
Senator
Mays
Bledsoe
who
she'd
like
to
come
forward.
We'll
have
two
for
her
and
while
she's
making
her
way
down
to
the
desk,
we're
gonna
pass
over
one
night
and
send
me
a
196
at
this
point
and
that
will
probably
be
back
next
week.
L
Sure
this
is
thank
you,
chairman,
Mills
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
am
here
to
speak
about
Senate
bill
206..
Thank
you.
I'm
joined
here
with
City
attorneys,
Roger,
Wright
and
David
Barbary.
In
case
you
have
any
technical
questions
in
my
previous
role:
I
actually
served
on
Lexington,
City,
employee
pension
board
and
it's
been
nearing
the
end
of
its
cycle
for
a
very
long
time,
and
actually
it's
still
just
a
few
members-
are
receiving
actual
annuities
and
did
a
previous
legislation.
L
Even
though
the
general
assembly
has
no
direct
oversight
over
the
city's
pension
plan,
we
do
have
to
come
and
ask
for
legislative
changes
to
make
any
changes
to
it.
So
I'm
here
asking
for
two
specific
changes:
one
we
like
to
raise
the
minimum
monthly
annuity
to
1500
from
1250,
and,
secondly,
it
allows
the
pension
board
the
discretion
to
increase
the
minimum
payment
in
the
future
every
two
years,
not
more
than
ten
percent
above
the
federal
poverty
guidelines.
This
impacts
six
individuals,
all
widows
and
spouses
we've
not
raised
this
amount
since
2005.
A
Question
on
the
bill:
they
have
a
motion
from
Senator
McDaniel,
second
from
Senator
Thayer,
and
just
to
make
this
clear.
This
does
not
in
this
does
not
interfere
with
any
of
our
state
pension
and
run
pensions.
It's
a
Lexington,
only
pension
fund,
correct,
okay,
very
good!
Gentlemen.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add?
We
have
a
mocha
in
a
second
okay.
Thank
you,
madam
Clark.
Please
call
the
role.
J
G
A
About
I
symbol,
206
passes
with
favorable
expression,
with
the
expression
that
the
same
shall
pass
on
the
senate
floor.
Nine
yeses,
no,
zero
no's.
Would
anybody
care
on
consent?
Is
it
a
motion
for
consent
from
Senator
Berg?
Second,
from
Senator,
Thayer,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
This
item
moves
to
our
consent
agenda.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
For
being
here
Senator
you
can
go
ahead
to
141
foreign.
L
This
bill
makes
two
important
changes
to
how
code
enforcement
liens
may
be
enforced
to
streamline
Collections
and
help
cities
eliminate
blighted
and
vacant
buildings
to
provide
more
affordable
homes
and
viable
business
use,
in
particular,
there's
two
things:
one:
if
cities
prepare
their
property
tax
bills
and
do
the
property
tax
collections
themselves,
they
could
include
the
amount
of
any
outstanding
code
enforcement
lien
on
the
bill.
The
lien
must
be
treated
and
listed
as
a
separate
item
on
the
bill
and
may
not
be
considered
part
of
the
underlying
ad
valorem
tax
liability
and
two.
L
If
it's
not
paid
on
the
day,
it's
only
enforced
through
traditional
code
enforcement,
lien
process,
which
is
really
important.
Secondly,
the
legislation
permits
the
city
to
use
the
provisions
of
the
mass
foreclosure
act
to
collect,
to
enforce
uncollected
code
enforcement
Lanes
in
the
same
manner
that
cities
can
use
the
provisions
to
enforce
unpaid
property
taxes.
This
allows
properties
of
defund
non-profits
that
have
become
blighted
other
vacant
and
properties
without
outstanding
tax
liabilities
or
properties
that
are
not
being
maintained.
L
A
D
Has
a
question:
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
guys
on
section
one
subparagraph
two,
when
you
use
those
statutes,
does
that
in
any
way
change
the
the
priority
of
liens,
you
know
mortgages,
mechanics
liens
Etc
is
there?
Is
there
any
risk
that
we're
gonna
mess
around
if
somebody
was
already
in
first
position
and
potentially
bumped
in
there.
O
It
does
not.
This
does
not
now
the
statutes
on
on
Code
Enforcement
liens
address
that
priority,
so
the
citations,
but
this
would
not
change
any
priority
for
delinquent
state
or
local
property,
tax,
liens
or
other
types
of
liens.
This
is
not
deal
with
priority.
The
statutes
permit
all
all
sizes
of
cities
to
use
the
mass
foreclosure
act
on
delinquent
property
tax
liens,
so
those
statutory
citations
there
go
to
go
to
the
code
enforcement.
This
does
not
impact
lean
priority
in
this
Senator
gotcha.
H
A
A
F
H
Next
on
the
agenda
is
Senate
Bill,
190
state,
your
name
and.
A
You
Senate
Bill
90,
makes
several
changes
to
the
statutes
to
require
City
governments
to
make
any
to
make
any
changes
affecting
the
conduct
of
its
elections
before
the
time
for
filing
for
the
office
occurs
to
inform
candidates
of
how
the
election
will
be
held,
and
it
makes
these.
These
are
things
that
have
come
up
in
the
last
year
during
the
election
cycle.
Small
minor
changes
I
would
almost
classify
this
as
a
cleanup
bill.
A
But
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
JD's
here,
obviously
to
talk
about
any
questions
you
might
have
for
him.
J
O
The
there's
no
dates
for
changing
the
number
of
council
members.
That
said
on
a
Council
seat,
and
we
had.
We
had
a
city
that
changed
the
number
of
council
seats
prior
to
the
election
we
got
we
had.
We
need
to
set
rules
that
say
if
you're
going
to
make
these
changes,
you
need
to
do
it
before
the
filing
starts.
So
people
know
what
Ward
they're
running
for
what
whether
you're
going
to
have
a
part
of
whether
you're
going
to
have
a
primary
election
or
not.
O
So
that
was
a
Freudian
slip
about
the
the
partisan
or
whether
you're
going
to
change
the
number
of
of
council
members.
So
it
just
sets
this
before
the
filing
deadline
opens
on
that
date.
G
O
Leader,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
candidates
who
file
for
office
ought
to
know
what
they're,
what
they're
running
for,
if
it's
a
if
it
is
going,
if
you're
going
to
eliminate
a
primary,
how
many
Council
seats
you
have
to
you
have
to
open
or
run
you
can't
reduce
them
or
or
if
you
do
that
in
the
middle
of
a
term,
then
you
don't
know
the
candidates
who
are
filing
for
office.
Don't
know
what
they're
filing
for
follow.
O
Candidates
certainly
need
to
know
what
their
what
they're
filing
for
voters
certainly
deserve
to
be
informed
about
the
way
that
elections
are
conducted.
K
So
a
point
of
clarification,
I'm,
not
sure
which
one
of
you
could
answer
this
for
me,
but
in
our
last
general
election-
and
this
is
just
for
counties-
is
my
understanding.
So
this
wouldn't
impact
like
State
elections,
but
we
obviously
had
this
problem
with
our
last
election,
where
many
of
us
filed
in
multiple
districts
to
make
sure
that
we
would
actually
have
a
seat
to
file
in,
and
people
who
had
filed
found
out.
They
no
longer
had
a
seat.
K
A
You
this
particular
Bill
does
not
it
IT
addresses
occurrences
in
City
governments,
small
small,
medium-sized
City
governments,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
with
you
about
that
situation
and
see.
If
we
can
work
through
that,
we've
got
some
time
then
so
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
with
you
about
those.
Thank.
A
H
We
have
an
emotion
in
a
second
Madam
Clerk
caldero.
J
J
N
H
A
So,
just
to
be
clear
that
that
will
we.
A
So
so
this
will.
This
will
move
to
the
floor
for
a
vote
and
discussion.
Everybody
has
to
be
in
agreement
for
it
to
be
on
consent.
Senator
Berg
is
not
in
agreement,
so
we'll
have
it
on
the
floor,
any
other
questions
or
things
to
come
for
our
committee.
If
not
we'll
stand
adjourned.