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B
A
Here:
okay,
we
do
have
a
quorum,
we're
glad
glad
to
see
everyone
this
morning
representing
martian-
I
I
don't
know
if
you're
here
at
the
last
meeting,
but
you're
kind
of
new
back
back
with
the
committee
and
we
we
welcome
you
and
I'm
glad
that
you're
here.
So
I
think
the
first
thing
we're
going
to
do
is
take
up
house
joint
resolution
11.,
mr
speaker
and
your
guest.
Please
introduce
everyone
glad
to
have
you
this.
C
C
Good
morning,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
with
you
this
morning
with
the
eisenhart
family.
The
eisenhartz
are
constituents
of
mine
and
they
are
the
the
brain
children
behind
hjr
11.
and
it's
a
relatively
simple
resolution,
which
I
will
let
them
explain,
but
it
it
came
to
me
at
kind
of
an
appropriate
time
and
it
was
when
I
was.
I
was
switching
out
a
bunch
of
computers
and
printers
in
my
office
and
realized
that
there
was
nothing
to
do
with
the
old
ones.
C
When
I
was
when
I
was
switching
them
out,
so
they
came
with
this
idea,
and
I
will
I
will
let
them
present
and
then
we'll
take
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have.
Okay,.
A
I
think
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
welcome
it's
always
great,
to
see
young
folks
here
and
thank
you
for
your
involvement
in
this
issue.
Looking
forward
to
hearing
from
you.
D
Okay,
hello,
my
name
is
lucia
eisenhart
first
off.
We
wish
to
thank
the
represent
the
sponsors
of
hjr11
representatives,
david
osbourne,
representative,
ed
massey
and
representative
philip
pratt,
but
we'd
also
like
to
thank
representative
marzian
for
meeting
us
with
meeting
with
us
in
the
past
and
for
connecting
us
with
the
right
kind
of
people
in
passing
hjr11.
D
E
D
Another
important
matter
to
address
is
that
if
we
don't
harvest
the
valuable
metals
and
e-scraps
we
will
we
actually
contribute
to
climate
change
and
other
environmental
problems,
such
as
habitat
destruction,
since
more
raw
materials
will
be
required
to
be
mined
processes,
processed
and
fabricated,
to
make
new
electronic
devices
please
vote
for
hjr11,
as
this
is
the
beginning
and
a
start
to
a
safer
and
healthier
future
for
our
amazing
bluegrass
state.
Please
check
out
kentuckyairstoreoceans.com
or
our
facebook
page
for
further
info
or
to
help
us
keep
kentucky
a
healthier
place
for
all
people
and
animals.
D
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
jens
eisenhart,
is,
is
here
to
field
any
questions
that
you
may
have
on
the
issue,
but
I
appreciate
the
committee's
indulgence
this
morning.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
We
thank
you
all
for
for
being
here
today.
It's
been
and
you've
done
a
good
job.
I
think
we
have
some
questions.
Representative
dosset
has
a
question.
F
Just
to
comment
lucille,
would
you
say
your
name
again.
D
F
Lucia,
how
old
are
you
I'm
12.
12.?
Well,
I
want
you
to
know.
I
am
so
impressed
with
what
you've
done.
I
have
a
little
girl
at
my
house
which,
as
much
as
I
love
being
here,
I
wish
I
were
home
with
her
right
now.
She
is
nine
years
old
and
for
you
to
come
and
speak
here
today,
I
am
so
impressed
and
your
family,
I
know,
are
proud
of
you
and
I'm
going
to
be
honored
to
support
this
and
your
behalf.
G
A
E
A
E
A
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
people
from
rural
areas
don't
really
know
where
to
take
items
like
this,
and
I
think
it
probably
would
be
better
if
we
could
encourage
more
outreach.
Whether
I
know
some
of
our
counties
years
ago
would
have
a
waste
tire
day
where
people
could
bring.
You
know
waste
tires
that
day
or
something
it
might
be
a
good
idea
for
us
to
really
encourage.
A
You
know,
collection
times
in
our
counties
where
and
they
may
have
those
already,
but
I
don't
see
those
as
often
as
maybe
we
should
represent
margin.
Did
you
have
anything
to
add?
Well,
we
have.
E
An
e-waste
recycling
where
our
old
solid
waste
used
to
be
so
we
you
can
take
tvs,
computers,
cell
phones
and
also
at
the
zoo,
there's
a
container
for
old
cell
phones
that
they
can
repurpose
and
give
to
victims
of
domestic
violence,
and
it
only
dials
9-1-1.
E
A
Well,
I
totally
agree
because
pressure,
you
know
the
you
know,
rare
earth
elements
and,
and
those
metals
are
something
that
we've
talked
about
a
long
time
since
we're
buying
most
of
those
from
china.
And
you
know
it's
like
a
penny
saved.
Is
a
penny
earned,
so
if
we
can,
if
we
can
save
some
of
those,
then,
as
you
said,
we're
not
having
to
mine
those
or
maybe
worse,
buying
them
from
china.
So
representative.
F
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
I
do
want
to
add,
I
know
in
tennessee
there
are
several
recycling
locations
where
they
actually
salvage
the
valuable
metals
out
of
these,
and
it's
one
of
the
larger
businesses.
I
know
one
that
I
was
familiar
with,
had
several
individuals
hired
on,
so
it
is
something
that
we
could
look
to
as
an
economic
development
tool.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Again
I'd
like
to
echo
what
representative
dawson
said,
I'm
so
impressed
by
the
presentation
you
gave
today.
I'm
going
to
be
glad
to
support
this,
but
there's
so
many
good
parts
about
this.
You
know
it
keeps
this
stuff
out
of
our
landfills.
A
F
E
E
B
A
G
B
E
A
Let
me
explain
my
vote.
Yes,
I'm
happy
to
do
this.
You
did
a
great
job
explaining
this
and
also
on
the
lighter
note,
thank
you
to
representative
prenty
for
telling
us
a
little
bit
closer
to
how
old
she
is
so
eight
grandchildren.
So
I
vote
yes,
we
the
bill,
does
pass
with
favorable
expression.
The
same
should
pass
so
thank
you
so
much
it's!
It's
been
a
pleasure
having
you
all
today
and
hope
that
your
trip
to
frankfurt
has
been
good
is
in
this
limited
time
where
we're
not
able
to
wish.
A
J
Chairman
gooching
committee,
thank
you
for
having
me.
Yes,
I'm
robbie
mills.
I
represent
the
fourth
district
in
western
kentucky
and
that's
coal
country,
and
this
is
what
our
bill
is
about
today.
If
it's
okay
to
go
ahead
and
proceed,
just
go
right
ahead:
okay,
very
good
senate
bill,
257
deals
with
the
public
service
commission
and
hopefully,
you've
read
it.
It
was
a
long
bill
about
two
paragraphs,
and
but
it
is
an
important
bill.
J
They
should
fact
they
should
look
at
factors
like
reliable
fuel
source.
I
know
you've
talked
we've
talked
about
this
in
this
committee
and
in
the
senate
committee
about
coal
is
a
reliable
fuel
source.
It's
sitting
there
in
a
pile,
it's
ready
to
go,
all
it
has
to
do
is
be
burned
and
the
other
thing
that
they
should
consider
is
the
economic
benefits
of
the
severance
tax.
J
So
a
low-cost
coal
contract
doesn't
always
mean
that
it's
the
most
reasonable
contract,
and
so
what
this
bill
does
is
this
bill
asks
the
public
service
commission
to
in
determining
the
reasonableness
of
the
fuel
cost
in
procurement
of
the
contracts
for
the
fuel
to
evaluate
the
reasonableness
of
the
fuel
cost
in
contracts
and
competing
bids
based
on
the
cost
of
the
fuel
less
any
coal
severance
tax
imposed
by
any
jurisdiction.
A
I
know
I
wasn't
taking
a
testimony
one
time
in
in
committee
when
I
first
got
here,
and
I
can
remember,
of
course
the
psc
at
the
time
would
make
sure
you
had
the
lowest
cost
or
whatever,
and
there
was
one
utility
that
testified
that
they
were
buying
some
compliant
west
virginia
coal,
that
was
eight
cents,
a
ton
cheaper
than
what
the
same
compliant
coal
in
kentucky
was
now
we're
talking
about
eight
cents
per
ton
which
wouldn't
even
been
measured
in
cost,
and
when
you
looked
at
you
know
the
the
employment,
the
economic
development,
the
way
the
dollars
turned
over
the
coal
severance,
and
all
of
that
that
certainly
was
not
something
that
really
made
any
sense
to
this
state.
A
And-
and
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
you-
know-
allow
someone
to
to
take
the
lowest
bid
or
whatever,
but
for
the
state
to
actually
promote
something
like
that.
You
know
certainly
was
not
in
our
best
interest,
and
so
with
that.
Are
there
any
questions.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
senator
mills
for
bringing
this
piece.
I
do
support
the
legislation.
Just
a
curious
question.
Is
this
similar
language
that
psc
actually
had
in
a
reg
a
few
years
ago
and
they
removed
yeah
yeah.
J
It
is
we,
the
house,
actually
passed
a
resolution
like
99
to
one
two
years
ago.
The
psc
had
this
in
a
regulation
and
they
were
at
they're
asking
us
to
put
it
in
statute,
and
it
gives
them
more
firm
ground
to
stand
on
in
doing
this
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
good
question.
A
K
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
was
just
curious
and-
and
senator
mills
may
or
may
not
know
this,
but
I
was
I'd
like
to
representative
blanton.
I
support
the
bill.
I
was
just
curious.
I
know
when
the
cabinet
or
when
the
psc
had
this
in
their
regulation.
They
were
sued
by
an
out-of-state
coal
company
and
they
settled
the
case
by
agreeing
to
remove
the
language
and-
and
I
think
that
reg
is
actually
just
was
just
heard
by
the
administrative
red
committee-
I'm
just
curious.
K
J
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
great
question
and
you
know
the.
I
think
the
reason
the
psc
did
away
with
the
regulation
that
they
were
operating
under
is
really
because
really
because
of
the
cost
of
pursuing
that,
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
as
a
kind
of
a
backup
situation,
it's
easier
for
them
to
come
to
the
legislature
and
give
you
know,
ask
for
a
statute
that
gives
them
more
solid
ground
and
from
the
folks
that
I've
talked
to.
I
believe
the
statute
puts
them
on,
like
I
said
much
more
solid
ground.
K
Okay-
and
I
would
hope
that
the
ag's
office
will
will
stand
behind
their
opinion
and
will
vigorously
defend
the
statute
if
there
is
another
challenge
claiming
that
it
was
a
civil
rights
violation.
I
think
that
was
what
and
I
think,
pst
acted
prudently
in
settling
that
because
of
potential
liability
and
paper
facebook.
It
is
thank
you.
J
I'll
reach
out
to
the
attorney
general
after
this
and
touch
base
with
him
good
question.
A
Thanks
tom-
and
I
think
we
often
realize-
and
we've
seen
this
a
lot
of
times
where
regulatory
groups
will
be
sued
by
an
a
you-
know,
some
group
out
there
and
and
they'll
they'll
settle
in
court
and
and
that
settlement
sometimes
becomes
kind
of
a
consent
decree
that
it's
hard
to
overturn
or
do
do
much
with,
but
we're
hopeful
in
this
case,
and
we
don't
know
until
we
try
right
and
you
know,
certainly,
people
can
sue
and
interstate
being.
A
E
B
F
F
F
I
F
L
E
E
A
Yes,
and
thank
you
that
I
always
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
my
senator
bringing
good
bills
before
our
committee
and
the
bill
does
pass
with
favorable
expression
that
things
should
pass.
Thank
you.
Yes,
great!
We're
moving
right
along
next
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
house
bill.
A
A
H
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
house
bill
345
today
for
informational
purposes.
This
is
a
piece
of
legislation,
I'm
very
excited
about,
because
it
will
help
spur
economic
investment
while
also
helping
reduce
plastic
waste,
a
win-win
opportunity.
You
don't
often
see
this
bill
simply
provides
for
transparent
rules
for
a
new
type
of
technology
that
actually
breaks
waste
back
into
the
molecules
the
plastic
is
con
is
composed
of
it.
H
Excuse
me
molecules
the
plastic
is
composed
of
in
a
process
we're
calling
advanced
recycling.
As
you
will
hear
from
my
guest,
this
is
more
akin
to
a
manufacturing
process,
so
it
defines
these
facilities
as
manufacturers,
rather
than
solid
waste
facilities,
and
establishes
definitions
for
the
types
of
technologies
that
would
be
used
in
this
process.
H
H
The
other
benefit
of
this
technology
is
that
is
that
it,
it
is
actually
able
to
recycle
plastics
that
typically
wouldn't
be
recycled
like
styrofoams
and
plastic
wrappings,
so
we
are
creating
additional
recycling
markets
with
it
with
this
technology
as
well.
Mr
chairman,
I'll
wrap
up
by
saying,
I
think
we
have
a
really
good
opportunity
here
to
help
give
these
companies
the
clarity
they
need
to
operate
in
states
like
kentucky
and
bring
investment
into
the
commonwealth
while
at
the
same
time
reducing
plastic
waste.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative
bowling.
We're
joined
today
via
video
by
two
representatives
of
the
american
chemistry
council
that
have
been
championing
these
processes
throughout
the
the
country
prop
p,
mahuri
and
wes
robinson
and
we'll
let
property
here
in
a
minute
go
through
the
the
process.
It's
really
neat-
and
I
forgot
my
prop
this
morning,
but
it
was
a
plastic
water
bottle,
take
it
everywhere.
There
you
go
and
literally
they
can
take
these
plastic
water
bottles
and
turn
them
into
a
feedstock
for
other
plastic
products.
M
Something
that's
that's
really
incredible,
and
it
can
also
be
turned
into
a
fuel
for
that
matter.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
to
working
on
this
bill
next
session.
You
may
wonder
why
we
didn't
run
it
this
session.
It's
a
complicated
process.
It's
an
easy
bill.
All
you
all
we
have
in
here
is
exclusions.
M
We
already
believe
that
it's
not
considered
a
solid
waste,
but
we
wanted
belts
and
suspenders
so
that
people
want
to
make
this
investment.
Some
other
states
claim
it's
solid
waste,
but
it's
not.
I
practice
environmental
law
and
have
for
30
years,
I'm
very
confident
that
it's
not
solid
waste.
However,
it
it
works
good
to
go
ahead
and
make
that
clear
in
the
in
the
language
of
the
bill,
we
did
have
some
feedback
from
the
energy
and
environment
cabinet.
M
N
Thank
you,
mr
krabs.
Good
morning,
chairman
gucci,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
proctor
maher
and
I'm
with
the
american
chemistry
council's
plastics
division.
I'm
also
joined
by
my
colleague,
wes
robinson,
if
it's
okay,
to
proceed.
I'd
like
to
start
us
off
with
a
quick
video
to
introduce
today's
topic
on
advanced
recycling.
O
O
O
O
O
E
O
N
Plus,
thank
you
for
for
showing
that
video,
and
hopefully
everyone
on
the
floor
can
see
my
screen
again
to
quickly
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
proctor
hurry
with
the
american
chemistry
council.
So
just
a
quick
background
on
who
we
are.
The
acc
represents
the
the
leading
plastic
resident
chemical
manufacturers
in
the
u.s
and
in
2018
we
announced
a
goal
that
by
2040
a
hundred
percent
of
plastics
packaging
would
be
reused,
recycled,
recovered
and
so
to
kind
of
introduce
today's
topic
for
discussion.
N
Advanced
recycling,
that's
going
to
definitely
play
a
big
role
in
meeting
that
really
ambitious
goal,
and
so
to
kind
of
level
that
quickly,
while
we're
here,
you
know,
let's,
let's
think
about
why
we
use
plastics
in
the
first
place.
As
we
all
know,
we
have
a
plastics
challenge
in
kentucky
and
more
broadly
in
this
country.
We
know
plastics
deliver
a
lot
of
great
benefits
to
our
modern
society.
N
So
if
we
think
about
kind
of
the
role
plastics
are
playing
right
now
during
this
pandemic,
from
our
personal
protective
equipment
like
face
shields
and
gowns,
and
now
in
the
the
distribution
actual
delivery
of
life-saving
vaccines.
N
Here's
just
an
example
of
kind
of
the
sophistication
and
complexly
engineered
plastic
like
this
meat
combo
liner,
and
that
really
helps
keep
our
food,
sanitary
and
fresh,
while
preventing
waste
and
minimizing
the
use
of
resources.
This
is
an
example,
courtesy
of
sealed
air
corporation,
just
to
show
kind
of
the
the
various
layers
of
a
of
a
plastic
packaging.
That's
really
critical
to
its
performance.
N
This
does,
however,
make
packaging
like
this
neat
combo
liner,
challenging
to
recycle
mechanically
and
really
does
create
the
need
for
technologies
like
advanced
recycling,
as
we
just
saw
in
this
video
a
couple
of
minutes
ago
that
can
more
effectively
recycle
these
sophisticated
multi-layer
types
of
packaging.
N
This
is
kind
of
how
we
see
the
role
of
advanced
recycling
in
what
we
call
a
circular
economy
and
to
really
set
the
stage
just
a
bit.
Further.
All
of
us
are
very
familiar
with
mechanical
recycling,
so
you're,
you
know,
collect
and
sort
plastics.
These
are,
you
know,
typically
cleaned
heated
and
formed
into
resin
pellets,
and
then
those
are
used
to
to
make
new
plastic
products,
parts
and
packaging.
N
But
beyond
these
types
of
mechanical
or
traditional
recycling
processes
you're
only
able
to
recycle
these
types
of
plastics
once
this
is
where
kind
of
advanced
recycling
comes
in,
to
really
address
the
typically
harder
packaging
plastic
packaging
formats
that
are
hard
to
mechanically
recycle.
So
really,
the
beauty
of
these
innovative
technologies
is
that
they
really
offer
a
complementary
approach
to
mechanical
recycling
to
really
bypass
kind
of
some
of
the
technical
feature.
N
The
technical
limitations
that
really
will
help
us
make
the
the
future
demand
for
a
cycle
resin
so
with
advanced
recycling.
We're
enabled
enabling
to
take
a
wider
range
of
plastics,
removing
colorants
and
other
contaminants,
and
with
these
technologies,
we're
really
able
to
create
kind
of
the
same
properties
as
virgin
materials
and
and
those
can
be
used
in
you
know,
direct
food
contact
and
healthcare
applications.
N
So
here's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
pictorial
of
one
type
of
advanced
recycling
technology
known
as
pyrolysis,
which
is
kind
of
defined
in
the
in
hb
345.,
so
kind
of
step.
One
you
take
plastics
that
are
go
through
a
mechanical
sorting
process
and
those
are
further
sorted
and
prepped
for
a
conversion
conversion
stage.
N
These
plastics
are
are
typically
heated
and
vaporized
in
an
oxygen
deprived
vessel.
So
there
is
a
no
combustion
or
burning
of
the
plastics
happening
during
this
process
really
happens,
just
melting
at
high
temperatures
and
then,
as
a
result.
N
Basically,
condensable
gases
are
kind
of
converted
into
hydrocarbon
products,
and
then
these
are
used
in
products
like
transportation
fuels,
liquid
feedstocks
for
new
plastics
and
chemicals,
waxes
and
and
other
products,
and
this
is
actually
a
technology-
that's
happening
in
ashley
indiana
with
a
company
called
brightmark
and
they
have
a
facility
in
ashley
that
will
be
taking
about
a
hundred
thousand
tons
of
plastics
annually
when
they
go
live
this
spring
in
2021
and
they
already
have
a
facility
up
and
running.
N
And,
to
kind
of
you
know
tie
this
all
together
of
you
know:
how
are
we
going
to
grow
and
scale
these
technologies?
What
does
the
promise
look
like
we've
seen
that
over
400
global
brands
are
really
trying
to
make
good
on
their
commitments
to
more
sustainable
packaging,
and
we
really
see
advanced
recycling
technologies,
really
poised
to
play
kind
of
a
key
role
in
enabling
that
transition
to
utilizing
more
recycled
content.
N
So
we're
seeing
these
kind
of
important
applications
like
food
safety,
packaging
and
brand
owners
are
really
committed
to
increasing
not
only
plastics
recyclability,
but
also
the
the
percentage
of
recycled
content
in
their
in
their
products,
and
that
won't
happen
with
just
traditional
recycling
methods
alone
and
that's
why
we
really
need
advanced
recycling
to
make
that
happen.
N
So,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
playing
off
of
the
the
commitments
that
have
been
made.
What
have
what
has
the
investment
been
like
around
these
technologies?
So,
as
folks
know,
beginning
in
january,
2018,
the
new
national
sword
policy
came
into
effect
and
and
virtually
waste
plastic
imports
were
eliminated.
N
So,
as
a
result,
we've
seen
really
a
significant
new
plastics
recycling
cap
capacity
in
the
us
and
abroad
and
a
huge
wave
of
new
investments
for
these
technologies.
So
at
the
american
chemistry
council,
we've
been
kind
of
tracking
the
publicly
announced
investments
to
modernize,
both
mechanical
and
advanced
recycling
and
we've
seen
about
over
60
projects
that
have
the
potential
to
divert
more
than
four
million
tons
of
plastics.
N
That's
about
9.1
billion
pounds
of
plastics
annually
from
landfills
and
of
these
5.5
billion
investments
about
83
of
these
investments
are
just
for
advanced
recycling
announcements
alone.
So
there's
a
huge
promise
in
the
investment
behind
these
technologies
already.
N
And
I'm
sure
you
know
folks
want
to
know
where
is
this
currently
happening?
Representative
bowling
mentioned
earlier
that
eastman
chemical
has
announced
recently
a
250
million
dollar
investment
in
their
own
commercial
facility
in
kingsport
tennessee.
These
are
some
examples
of
other
partnerships
and
investments
both
in
the
u.s
and
europe.
Just
to
point
out
a
couple
of
other
ones.
N
America's
renix
launched
a
joint
venture
called
regenexx
and
they're
taking
post-use
plastics
and
turning
them
into
back
into
styrene,
monomer
and
they're
doing
that
partnership
with
a
company
called
agilex
based
in
tigard
oregon
they'll,
be
building
a
100
ton
per
day.
Plant
polystyrene,
advanced
recycling
facility
in
shanghaine,
illinois
kicking
off
this
year
and
we'll
going
live
on
2022.
N
N
So
a
lot
of
great
innovation
happening
here
and
we're
seeing
a
huge
wave
of
investments
and
partnerships
to
increase
in
scale
capacity
in
the
u.s.
N
So
what
does
that
mean?
For
you
know
the
passage
of
a
bill
like
345
for
the
economic
development
in
this
great
state.
If
we
just
converted,
you
know
20
of
the
recoverable
plastics
in
kentucky
and
turned
them
into
plastic
and
chemical
feedstocks.
N
The
state
could
actually
support
about
eight
advanced
recycling
facilities
in
kentucky
and
that
would
generate
around
78
million
dollars
of
economic
output
each
year,
and
that
was
done
based
on
economic
analysis
by
the
american
chemistry
council.
And
if
we
looked
at
kind
of
the
amount
of
plastics
that
are
currently
landfilled
in
in
kentucky
there's
potential,
if
advanced
recycling
is
brought
to
the
state
to
displace
about
358
000
tons
of
plastics
from
landfill
and
turn
them
into
liquid
commodities
for
use
in
plastics,
chemicals
and
other
products.
N
This
is
just
a
snapshot
of
kind
of.
Where
are
we
seeing
technologies
that
are
already
operating
in
the
u.s,
so
this
map
shows
about
40
facilities
that
are
already
in
operation
about
half
of
which
are
operating
at
commercial
scale.
N
I
mentioned
a
few
of
them
earlier,
like
brightmark,
based
in
ashley
indiana
agilex,
based
in
tigard,
oregon
nexus
based
in
atlanta,
georgia,
and
so
the
scale
of
the
operations
is
definitely
growing,
they're,
still
very
small
relative
to
the
you
know
existing
petrochemical
infrastructure,
but
the
potential
to
scale
these
technologies
is
very
much
there.
N
So
this
is
just
a
quick
kind
of
background
on
the
emissions
profiles
from
these
technologies,
and
this
is
an
analysis
done
by
an
environmental
sustainability,
firm
called
good
company
based
in
oregon,
and
they
looked
at
kind
of
the
average
advanced
recycling
facility
and
looked
at
the
emissions
from
these
technologies
and
how
they
compare
to
other
common
manufacturing
facilities.
N
And
so
what
we've
seen
is
that
these
the
emissions
from
these
technologies
are
very
well
regulated
and
controlled,
especially
through
the
kind
of
technological
and
operational
practices
that
must
be
kept.
N
And
so
and
actually
new
analysis
is
being
done
and
will
be
released
in
a
couple
of
weeks
showing
that
when
these
technologies
scale
so
we're
looking
at
a
super
plant
averaging
about
55
000
tons
of
plastics
per
year,
the
emissions
scale
scale
linearly
linearly
are
still
well
below
the
epa
threshold
for
emissions
for
caps
and
halfs.
N
And
you
know
I
think
the
most
important
takeaway
here
is
that
the
advanced
recycling
facilities
are
so
finely
tuned
that
that
the
materials
which
don't
you
know
meet
the
very
strict
requirements
are
automatically
rejected.
So
every
category
of
air
emissions
from
these
technologies
are
well
below
the
regulated
epa
threshold
levels
and
are
typically
below
well-known
everyday
industries,
like
I
have
a
few
examples
here,
like
a
food
processing
facility,
hospital
universities
and
an
auto
manufacturer.
I
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
I
am
in
support
of
this
bill,
but
I
know
that
there's
a
fear
among
the
general
public,
especially
when
it
comes
to
plastic,
water
bottles
and
certain
things
that
hit
the
sunlight.
And
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
urban
myth,
but
are
there
any
studies
on
plastics
that
may
have
cancer-causing
agents
when
it's
used?
For
you
know,
packaging
food
items
or
drink
items.
N
Is
thanks
for
a
question
representative?
Are
you
just
saying
in
general
about
the
kind
of
toxicity
in
plastics
or
the
result
of
processing
them
through
these
types
of
technologies?.
N
Sure
so
you
know
the
I
was
just
kind
of
touching
on
this
earlier
on
on
kind
of
the
emissions.
When
the
plastics
are
processed
through
these
types
of
technologies,
they
have
to
meet
a
very,
very
strict
specification
to
be
accepted
for
the
production
of
new
plastics.
So
if
you
look
at
any
type
of
food
contact,
packaging
or
healthcare,
medical
devices
that
use
plastics,
when
these
plastics
go
through
technologies
like
advanced
recycling,
if
they
don't
meet
those
very
strict
specifications
set
by
the
epa,
then
they
they
get
rejected.
N
And
so
what
we're
seeing
is
that
the
companies
that
are
doing
this
at
commercial
scale,
they're
well
regulated
under
the
clean
air
act,
clean
water
act
etc
and
do
routine
emissions
testing,
and
they
have
to
report
that
to
their
state,
deq
or
dep.
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
your
question,
representative.
N
You
and
just
kind
of
at
the
end
here
and
happy
to
entertain
more
questions
as
needed,
just
to
kind
of
bring
us
back
to
the
focus
of
of
the
bill
for
discussion
today.
You
know
we're
really
seeing
kind
of
a
an
interest
from
policy
makers
that
are
really
eager
for
solutions
and,
and
they
want
answers
with
the
right
policy
to
attract
businesses
in
their
states.
N
So
what
we've
done
here
is
seen
over
the
past
a
few
years
that
laws
defining
advanced
recycling
as
manufacturing
facilities,
as
opposed
to
solid
waste
management,
has
really
kind
of
eliminated.
That
barrier
of
entry
to
welcome
these
technologies,
bring
investments
to
the
state,
secure,
off-take
agreements
and
and
permit
their
facilities
in
these
states.
N
So
to
date,
this
type
of
legislation
has
passed
in
nine
states
and
we
can
see
in
the
teal
color
right
here
and
there
are
several
more
states
that
have
been
introduced
this
year,
they're
down
the
pipeline
and
what
this
legislation
really
does
is
gives
us.
The
transparency
for
companies
that
want
to
do
business
in
these
states
make
it
very
clear
that
they
know
what
permits
they
have
to
get.
N
It
enables
them
to
set
up
the
agreements
needed
to
secure
their
businesses
and
get
them
going
and
helps
them
secure
investments
and
so
kind
of
just
some
key
takeaways
to
leave
everyone
with.
You
know
this
legislation.
It
really
does
help
kind
of
protect
public
health
and
it
really
ensures
that
these
technologies
are
are
well
regulated,
that
they
have
an
air
permit.
N
You
know
a
permit
for
water
discharge
and
and
that
the
waste
is
disposed
of
properly,
and
so
it's
been
really
good
to
see
kind
of
the
momentum
domestically
to
support
the
growth
and
scale
of
these
technologies
via
this
type
of
legislation,
and
I
hope
it
will
warrant
a
fruitful
discussion
for
hp
345..
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
do
not
quite
fully
understand
some
parts
of
it.
I
think
this
has
promising
technologies
and
I
think
it'd
be
something
we'd
love
to
do.
I'm
sure.
But
but
I
guess
I
don't
understand
why
legislation
is
needed
in
order
to
bring
facilities
here.
I
I
think
somehow
that
didn't
stick.
I
understand
what
the
technology's
trying
to
do,
but
I
don't
understand
why
you
need
special
legislation.
So
if
you
can
answer
that
I'd
appreciate
it.
M
Representative
I'll
answer
that
in
that
in
some
states,
because
you
should
make
in
some
states
all
right
in
some
states,
they
actually
some
those
states
do
treat
these
as
solid
wastes
and
to
be
a
solid
waste
management
facility
really
burdens
the
the
manufacturer
in
the
requirements
that
it
has
to
meet.
So
this
is
just
to
put.
I
M
Absolutely
we'll
sit
down
and
chat
about
it,
but
it's
it's
just
a
there's,
a
whole
chapter
in
kentucky
revised
statutes
on
solid
waste
management
facilities
and
those
are
really
intended
for
landfills
and
transfer
stations.
Things
like
that
and
these
facilities
are
pure
manufacturers.
N
And
if
I
may
just
add
a
little
bit
more
clearly
representative,
you
know
this
type
of
legislation.
It
not
only
attracts
the
new
businesses
coming
to
the
state,
but
it
really
classifies
the
facilities
themselves
as
manufacturing.
So
therefore
they
wouldn't
be
subject
to
kind
of
the
same
environmental
oversight
that
applies
to
all
manufacturing
facilities
right,
such
as
food
processing,
auto
manufacturing,
etc.
And
so
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
these
are
categorized
as
the
as
as
they
are,
which
are
manufacturing
facilities
and,
as
mr
cress
said,
not
the
solid
waste
disposal,
treatment
facilities.
G
And
I
guess
I
want
to
ask
the
question
and
kind
of
dovetail
back
on
what
representative
dotson
was.
I
think
he
was
asking
part
of
it,
but
kind
of
I
think
we
were
thinking
similar.
As
far
as
on
the
front
end,
I
know
one
of
your
very
first
slides
for
the
meat,
that's
packaged
in
plastic
and
then
the
possibility
of
that
plastic
of
how
you
know
how
much
plastic
and
things
like
that
is
there
and
I'm
assuming
that
it
is
because
otherwise
it
was
not
profitable.
G
The
companies
would
not
be
doing
it
and
environmental
and
things
like
that.
But
do
we
really
know
how
much
it
cost
and
what
the
environmental
impact,
because
I'm
assuming
that
those
products
you
know
after
after
you
take
that
plastic
off
the
meat,
I'm
assuming
that's,
not
clean
plastic,
and
that
would
have
to
be
cleaned
in
some
capacity
to
be
able
to
recycle
it.
And
things
like
that.
G
So
do
we
know
the
actual,
not
only
the
environmental
cost
that
we
had
to
clean
those
products
to
recycle
them,
but
also
you
know
the
financial
investment
to
recycle
those
to
get
them
to
be
able
to
use.
So
I
guess
at
the
very
the
very
beginning
of
the
process
of
where
you
are
talking
about.
So
can
you
all
kind
of
shed
some
light
on
that
absolutely.
N
Representative
thanks
for
the
question,
so
in
terms
of
the
environmental
kind
of
cost,
there
has
been
some
life
cycle
assessment,
technological
assessments
done
in
the
u.s
and
europe
just
showing
the
environmental
benefit
of
of
converting
plastics
to
a
feedstock
for
new
polymers,
and
a
recent
study
that
was
done
actually
in
europe
by
basf
showed
that
it
was
a
fifty
percent
reduction
in
carbon
dioxide
ghg
emissions.
N
In
terms
of
the
question
you
had
about,
can
these
technologies
really
handle
kind
of
the
contaminated
plastics
like
that
meat,
combo
liner?
I
showed
and
kind
of?
What's
the
the
cost
related.
N
The
cost
is
something
that
I
think
that
is
it's
really
kind
of
company
specific
and
we're
happy
to
kind
of
set
up
those
discussions.
But
what
we're
seeing
is
that
these
technologies
can
handle
a
great
amount
of
contamination
that
mechanical
recycling
is
just
not
suited
for,
because
you're
melting,
these
plastics
at
high
temperatures
and
kind
of
condensing
them
turning
them
into
a
liquid.
N
These
technologies
can
handle
a
good
amount
of
of
contamination
from
post-use
plastics.
A
H
Just
I
appreciate
you
indulging
us
and
being
able
to
talk
about
this
bill
today.
I
think
it's
a
good
bill.
I
think
it's
a
good
technology
that
you
know
can
bring
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
good
things,
not
only
economically
but
environmentally
for
our
state.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
discussion
moving
forward
and
moving
into
the
2022
session.
Thank
you
all.
Okay,.
A
K
Thank
you
well
rusty.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
membership
committee
rusty
and
I
have
talked
about
this
and
we
understand
the
cabinet
had
some
concerns
regarding
some
specific
language
also
wanted
to
get
a
notice
provisioned
in
because
while
there
is
some
exciting
potential
in
recovering
these
materials
that
otherwise
would
be
landfilled
or
otherwise
may
end
up.
You
know
as
part
of
the
ocean
plastic
problem
recovering
it.
K
Creating
jobs,
displacing
the
need
for
raw
feedstock,
which
is
a
you
know,
it's
a
finite
resource,
and
there
there
are
also
concerns
on
the
flip
side
that
you
don't
want
someone
to
be
in
the
business
of
sham
recycling
rather
than
proper
management
of
the
waste,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
working
with
rusty
and
and
his
clients
and
with
the
cabinet
during
the
interim
and
appreciate
representative
bowen
carrying
the
bill,
appreciate
also
the
chairman,
you've
taken
the
time
to
to
present
it
and
to
allow
the
committee
to
hear
it
in
response
to
representative
plessy's
concern.
K
It's
likely
as
rusty
alluded
to
that.
This
bill
is
not
needed
because
there's
already
processes
for
determining
when
somebody
is
recycling
as
opposed
to
engaging
in
waste
treatment
or
disposal,
but
it
does
create
a
little
bit
more
regulatory
certainty
for
folks
that
are
looking
at
making
a
pretty
significant
capital
investment.
So
with
that,
ms
chairman,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
I
appreciate
the
time
and
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
time
to
to
look
over
the
technology.
Look
forward
to
the
conversation
during
the
intro.
A
Thank
you,
tom
and
there's
no
question
that
you
know
I've
always
talked
about
recycling
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
cost
of
developing
a
landfill
and
and
the
use
of
that
land
that
that
we
really
don't
have
available
in
many
places
to
to
do
that
and
that's
a
bill
that
we
had
in
east
kentucky
for
a
different
type
of
landfill.
But
we
just
had
that
bill
this
year.
So
it's
something
we
definitely
want
to
continue
to
to
discuss,
and
it's
been
a
very
interesting
discussion.
L
This
is
kind
of
exciting
for
me
because
I
come
from
eastern
kentucky
and
we
have
a
county
that
has
major
water
problems
and
I
absolutely
hate
seeing
plastic
bottles
everywhere.
I
literally
purchased
several
years
ago
a
water
purification
system,
because
I
got
tired
of
seeing
all
these
plastic
bottles
and
having
to
dispose
of
them,
and
you
know
I
had
our
county
judge
and
I
was
like:
let's
get
a
recycling
program
going
here
for
plastic,
you
know
it's
going
to
save.
L
You
know
our
environment,
it's
going
to
save
our
landfills,
so
I'm
I'm
pretty
excited
about
it
and
the
question
I
have
from
an
economic
development
standpoint.
Would
it
be
worthwhile
for
local
communities
or
counties
to
be
in
the
business
of
gathering
and
recycling?
These
plastic
containers?
Milk
jugs.
You
know
everything
comes
in
plastic
anymore,
so
I
know
it's
a
major
concern
as
far
as
health
risk-
or
it
has
been-
I
know,
you're
better
off
to
drink
from
glass,
but
we
don't
have
that
choice.
L
Unless
you
know
the
water
that
comes
in
glass
is
very
expensive,
and
you
know
I'm
watching
right
now:
we've
had
the
flooding
in
eastern
kentucky
and
we've
got
truckloads
of
water
being
shipped
in
because
they
had
no
water.
So
all
this
plastic
is
a
real
concern
for
me,
as
a
representative
of
our
region,.
M
Representative,
the
back
in
1991,
ms
fitz,
is
well
aware
and
a
lot
of
folks
here.
The
legislation,
our
entire
solid
waste
regulatory
and
statutory
scheme
was
created
and
part
and
parcel
of
that
was
a
was
a
recycling
aspect
of
it
and,
and
it
is
within,
you
know,
it
clearly.
States
that
reduce
reuse,
recycle
are
the
are
the
cornerstones
of
waste
management
in
kentucky
and
counties
were
put
in
charge
for
the
most
part
of
managing
solid
waste
throughout
the
the
the
state
so
yeah.
I
would
expect
that
they
would
already.
I
realized.
M
K
Just
add
to
that
representative,
you
raised
a
very,
very
good,
very
difficult
question.
The
market
for
recovered
plastics
is
one
where
you
have
a
robust
demand
for
large
companies
that
are
making
investments
in
recycling
plastic,
but
the
cost
of
collection
and
shipment
of
the
plastics
is
very
difficult
for
a
lot
of
local
governments.
It's
a
volatile
market
because
china
made
some
changes
in
its
policy
regarding
plastic,
accepting
plastic
recyclables.
K
Hopefully
you
know
manufacturing
like
this
would
create
a
new
market
to
recover
those
materials
by
providing
a
by
providing
a
a
fixed
cost
that
that
would
make
it
worthwhile
to
recover
them
because
there
are
there's
a
lot
of
social
benefit
at
the
end
of
the
process
in
terms
of
recovering
the
classes,
but
the
cost
of
managing
them
for
some
local
governments
is
beyond
their
ability,
and
so
I
think
that
this
could
be
a
potentially
a
very
positive
thing.
Regarding
water
bottles,
you,
you
and
representative
dodson
are
correct.
K
There
are
concerns
regarding
bpa
regarding
phthalates,
that
that
raises
health
concerns
about
certain
uses
of
plastic,
but
the
recovery
of
what
has
been
used
and
repurposing.
It
could
end
up
being
very
positive
in
terms
of
helping
to
stabilize
the
market
for
recovering
plastics.
K
K
There
are
opportunities-
the
ins,
particularly
in
the
urban
areas
there.
There
are
some
opportunities.
You
know
louisville
decided
to
go
all
in
and
rather
than
requiring
people
to
separate
our
plastics.
They
take
all
of
them,
some
of
them
that
are
more
lucrative
than
others,
but
they
found
that
more
people
will
contribute
if
they
have
to
do
less
on
the
front
end
in
terms
of
sorting
things.
K
One
thing
that
that
central
kentucky
did
for
some
time
was
the
counties
got
together
into
a
consortium
that
made
it
easy
to
do
regional
collection
that
that
may
be
something
that
either
the
ads
could
look
at
for
eastern
kentucky
or
maybe
through
the
soar
initiative,
because
it's
you
know
there
is
one
of
my
former
board
chair,
actually
went
off
and
worked
on
a
project
with
walmart
that
was
trying
to
encourage
local
governments
by
providing
zero
and
low
interest
loans.
K
So
they
could
purchase
the
equipment
because
walmart
and
some
of
these
other
large
companies
were
having
a
hard
time
getting
enough
recovered
plastics.
So
there's
a
real
disconnect
between
the
end
market,
where
they're,
making
sweaters
or
making
carpet
or
whatever
and
the
and
the
difficulty
for
local
governments
and
trying
to
get
everything
collected
and
shipped.
A
Thank
you
committee.
It's
we've
kind
of
gone
to
our
hour.
I
think
we
got
a
lot
covered
in
an
hour
and
so
it's
I
think
it's
been
a
very
good
committee
member
represented
bowling.
Thank
you
and
rusty
for
for
bringing
this
bill.
We
look
forward
to
working
on
it
during
the
interim
and
senate
again
next
year
and
committee.
Oh
yes,
representative
stevenson,.
A
Yes,
the
one
is
senate
bill,
the
only
one
we
voted.
Oh
no,
we
voted
on
two.
Yes,
you
want
a
resolution,
both
okay,
thank
you
that
has
been
recorded
anyone
else.