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A
Foreign,
so
before
we
call
roll
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
announcements-
one!
Please
silence
your
cell
phones
we're
going
to
keep
this
pretty
professional.
We
got
a
lot
of
business
to
conduct
today,
so
silence
your
cell
phones.
Now,
no
outbursts,
no
props
of
any
kind
out
in
the
crowd.
A
We
have
three
different
committee
meetings
going
on
at
one
time,
so
there
will
be
members
that
are
coming
in
and
out
as
this
meeting
progresses,
possibly
through
the
vote
or
something
we
might
have
to
might
be
a
few
delays
when
we
get
to
that
part
everybody
just
please
be
patient
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
C
D
B
Representative
Dixon
representative
Fister,
here
representative
Flannery,
representative
Gentry,
representative
hevren,
representative
Heron,
here
representative
Huff,
representative
Jackson,
present
representative
Cole,
Carney
representative
Meredith,
representative
Moser,
representative
Palumbo,
representative
Pratt,
representative
Smith,
representative
timony,
chairman
cook.
Here.
A
And
I
believe
we
had
representative
Dixon,
walk
in
and
I
believe.
That's
all
that
have
walked
in
if
you're
interested
in
testifying.
Please
use
the
sign-in
sheet
in
the
back
testimonies
with
the
chairs
discretion
based
on
time
constraints
and
information.
That's
already
been
presented.
We
have
a
quorum
first
item
of
the
bit
on
the
agenda.
Today
is
Senate
Bill
47,
an
act
relating
to
medical
cannabis,
a
gentleman
from
Bourbon
County.
If
you'll
please
come
forward,
sir
bring
your
guest
with
you.
A
E
Mr
chairman
happy
to
be
here
today,
thank
you
to
you
and
the
committee
for
for
hearing
Senate
Bill
47
act
relating
to
medical
marijuana.
This
has
been
a
long
time
coming,
obviously
long
history
with
the
bill.
What
I'm
going
to
do,
Mr
chairman
is,
do
give
like
a
one
minute.
Two
minute
history
just
hit
some
bullet
points,
then
I'm
going
to
flip
flip
it
over
to
my
guest
to
to
discuss.
My
name
is
Steve
West
I'm
Center,
representing
District
27.
E
E
They
are
dogged
advocates
for
for
medical
marijuana
and
they've
done
a
great
job,
convincing
people
over
five
years
time
that
what
you
know
this
is
what
we
need
to
do
in
Kentucky.
This
would
make
us
one
of
about
37
other
states
that
already
have
medical
marijuana
on
the
books
and
and
once
once,
I
met
Eric
and
Michelle
I
was
not
interested
in
the
subject,
had
no
intention
of
being
involved,
and
but
they
had
a
resolution
pass
with
the
Mason
County
Fiscal
Court,
and
they
convinced
me
pretty
quickly
that
it's
a
good
thing.
E
It's
it's
time
to
do
something
about
it
and
move
it
forward.
In
Kentucky,
I
filed
a
bill
in
the
Senate
Mark
and
John
at
some
point
filed
a
companion
bill
in
the
house,
so
we
worked
together
for
several
years
on
the
bill.
Eventually,
in
the
house,
the
Baton
was
passed
to
representative,
nemus
and
I'm
sure
representative
Gentry
assisted
in
the
house,
and
so
it's
it's
been
a
process
been
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
changes
on
the
bill
back
and
forth.
I
would
like
to
thank
Jaime
Montalvo
working
with
Eric
and
Michelle.
E
The
the
person
I
want
to
thank
the
most
on.
This
is
Chris
jafferon
the
bill
drafter
he's
here
somewhere
after
this
passes,
he
may
get
his
life
back,
I
don't
know,
but
but
I'm
sure
there'll
be
many
technical
changes
to
the
bill,
but
I
want
to
thank
everybody
involved
getting
into
just
some
bullet
points
really
quickly,
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
bill.
This
is
like
in
chronological
order
in
the
bill.
Marijuana
is
defined
on
page
89.
E
The
qualifying
conditions
very
important
are
on
page
four
and
I'm,
just
going
to
read
a
few
of
those
a
a
type
or
form
of
cancer,
regardless
of
stage
chronic,
severe,
intractable
pain,
epilepsy,
multiple
sclerosis,
chronic
nausea
or
cyclical
vomiting,
post-traumatic
stress
disorder.
Item
G
is
something
we
added
that's
very
important.
E
Last
year,
as
you
know,
we,
the
legislature,
promoted
a
study
at
the
University
of
Kentucky
on
medical
marijuana
and
we
added
this
item
any
other
medical
condition
or
disease
for
which
the
Kentucky
Center
for
cannabis
has
as
a
treatable
condition.
So
if,
if
the
center
decides
that
there's
another
condition
outside
this
list-
and
they
add
that
that
can
be
added
as
a
condition
in
this
bill,
marijuana
is
defined.
E
Let's
say,
a
person
using
medical
marijuana
is,
as
defined
must
apply
for
a
card
The
Entity
that
handles
this
in
state
governments
is
chfs
that
went
back
and
forth
several
years
we
had
ABC,
then
we
had
chfs.
It
was
finally
determined
that
this
is
in
fact
going
to
be
treated
as
medicine
and
so
the
best
entity
in
the
state
to
do
that
is
chfs.
E
Seven
Physicians
shall
be
appointed
to
the
board
of
medical
licensure.
The
board
of
Physicians
and
advisors
shall
recommend
to
the
cabinet
protocols
for
the
amount
of
the
30-day
Supply.
A
patient
under
18
shall
not
possess
purchase
or
acquire
medical
cannabis.
Without
the
assistance
of
a
designated
caregiver,
there
is
limited
Reciprocity
for
visiting
patients
from
other
states.
So
if
a
patient
comes
in
from
Colorado
or
California,
they
don't
just
don't,
have
free
reign
to
bring
in
whatever
they
want
and,
however
they
want
to
do
it.
They
are
restricted
to
our
standard
setup.
E
In
Kentucky,
there
are
strict
guidelines
as
to
how
the
medical
cannabis
is
to
be
stored,
contained
used
and
transported.
We
worked
with.
We
tried
to
work
our
best
with
fop,
State,
Police
and
others
to
make
sure
they
were
taken
care
of,
and
they
could
delineate
between
medical
cannabis
and
black
market
cannabis
person
shall
not
be
allowed
to
operate
cars,
vessels
or
aircraft
under
the
influence
item
12.
This
is
a
very,
very
important
provision
in
this
bill.
E
This
bill,
if
enacted,
does
not
go
into
effect
until
January,
1st
2025.,
so
the
seat,
the
cabinet
will
have
a
long
time
to
draft
regulations.
Pursuant
to
the
bill,
we
will
be
back
in
session
one
more
time
before
those
regulations
go
into
effect.
So
you'll
get
another
bite
at
the
Apple
to
take
a
look
at
everything,
that's
flowing
through
the
regulatory
process,
and
we
can
we'll
have
another
chance
to
make
technical
changes
as
we
move
forward
a
physician
or
advanced
practice.
Richard
nurse
who's
authorized
to
prescribe
Controlled
Substances
shall
be
the
people
providing
written
certifications.
E
Once
someone
has
a
written
certification,
they
must
apply
to
receive
an
identification
card.
The
cabinet
and,
finally,
the
cabinet
shall
set
out
separate
licenses
for
each
of
the
entities
that
operate
a
cannabis
business.
One
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
here:
real
quickly
is
there
are
different
tiers
and
types
of
licenses.
E
E
There
has
been
a
little
talk
out
there
about
whether
or
not
Kentucky
producers
are
able
to
compete
and
and
operate
in
this
environment.
I
believe
they
are,
if
anything
I
believe
this
favors
Kentucky
producers,
because
the
product
needs
to
be
produced
within
the
boundaries
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
The
only
thing
this
bill
does
it
sets
up
four
tiers
of
cannabis
producers
or
I'm,
sorry,
cultivators
and
and
makes
them
apply
and
receive
a
license.
E
H
H
My
favorite
thing
to
do
is
just
sit
at
home
with
my
wife,
my
mom
and
watch
the
cattle
Graves
and
listen
to
my
Beagle
run.
Rabbits
in
1994
April
14th,
my
life
dramatically
changed
I
was
in
a
car
accident.
We
hit
a
cow
I
hit
1800
pound
milk
cow
that
flipped
over
the
car
landed
on
the
t-tops
directly
on
my
head.
I
broke
my
neck
in
three
places.
Had
a
head
injury.
H
H
And
after
that
I
got
started.
Getting
horrible
pain
and
my
spasms
was
uncontrollable
and
I
went
to
the
doctor
and
they
gave
me
Pharmaceuticals
and
I'm
not
talking
bad
about
pharmaceuticals.
They
just
did
not
work
so
I
laid
in
pain.
My
spasms
continued,
so
a
nurse
told
me
to
try
cannabis.
So
I
tried
cannabis
and
I
was
comfortable,
not
out
of
my
mind
and
I
was
able
to
function
being
disabled
and
being
sick
you're
a
lot.
H
You
rely
on
people
to
help
you
and
then
hopefully,
you're
blessed
enough
to
have
those
people
to
help
you
and
it's
unfortunate
that
you
may
have
to
rely
on
drugs.
It's
not
a
party,
it's
not
fun.
To
have
to
work.
A
lot
on
drugs
makes
you
feel
weak,
but
to
find
something
that
works
for
you,
an
Intel.
They
tell
you
you're
a
criminal
for
using
it.
H
D
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
starting
I,
just
have
a
question
about
the
date
January
1st
2025.
D
E
So
that
was
mainly
there
for
the
cabinet.
We
felt
that
they
needed
a
full
18
months
in
12
months
was
not
enough
and
that
that
was
upon
advice
from
the
bill
drafter
and
what
we've
seen
in
other
states.
Thank
you.
That's
that's
the
reason
for
that.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I've
got
maybe
three
that
I'd
like
to
I've
got
seven
that
I'd
like
to
no
I,
have
three
concerns.
I
have
three
concerns.
First
of
all,
I
co-sponsored,
representative
Nina's
Bill
last
time,
I'm
I'm,
an
advocate
for
medical
marijuana,
I,
think
there's
a
place
for
it
in
saying
that
and
reviewing
the
bill.
I
ran
across
some
things.
That
kind
of
hesitates
me.
One
of
them
is
vaping.
K
E
I,
personally,
probably
would
and
I
can
I'm
getting
ready
to
hand
it
over
to
representative.
We
actually
talked
about
this
topic
in
depth
and
and
representative
Hart
I
believe
had
a
bill
on
vaping.
Currently,
vaping
is
illegal,
especially
for
kids,
especially
in
schools.
So
to
me
it's
a
matter
of
enforcement
and
and
The
Vaping.
There
is
no
there's
no
smoking
in
the
bill.
E
So
if
you're
going
to
allow
people
to
receive
the
medication,
vaping
may
be
one
of
the
limited
options
they
have
if
you're
not
allowing
smoking.
Okay,
it's
it's
tightly,
it's
tightly
regulated
in
the
bill
and
and
hopefully
will
be
more
regulated
once
see.
If
the
HFS
does
their
regulations
as
we
move
forward,
but
I'm
gonna,
that's
my
opinion.
I'm
gonna
flip
it
over
to
representative.
We
talked
about
this
subject.
F
Thank
you,
sir
I
want
to
say
up
front
that
The
Vaping
here
is
nobody
under
21
the
only
people
who
can
they
can
they
can
Vape
this
product
under
this
bill
is
over
21.
No
one
can
smoke
it
from
zero
to
a
100
or
what?
How
are
you
older?
So
there's
no
vaping
for
anybody
in
school
number.
Two
as
Senator
West
was
saying.
This
is
a
limited
option
for
some
people
over
21,
not
school
children
over
21,
that
it's
the
best
delivery
method
for
some
people
and
that's
what
that's
what
our
physicians
tell
us.
F
I
would
also
note
that
I
agree
with
you
that
the
vaping
is
out
of
control,
not
this
kind
of
vaping
under
this
bill,
but
vaping
is
out
of
control
in
schools.
We
need
to
address
that
in
a
real
way.
Rebecca
Ramer
representative
Raymer
had
a
bill
about
that
on
the
Delta
nine
this
this
session,
that
we've
passed
that's
now
long,
but
I
would
say
that
that
representative
Smith.
That
is
an
argument
in
favor
of
this
bill
and
here's
the
reason.
The
things
that
we
be
Vaped
in
this
bill
by
only
by
people
over
21.
F
are
grown
in
Kentucky
by
licensed
Growers
they're
produced
in
Kentucky
processed
in
Kentucky,
regulated,
Kentucky
tested
in
Kentucky
and
the
limits
we
have
limits
on
the
THC,
which
those
other
things
don't
have.
So
when
the
problem
that
we
have
I
think
in
schools
and
representative
Timmy
could
speak
to
this
is
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
Is
the
potency
is
very
high.
F
It's
laced
with
fentanyl,
or
maybe
vitamin
E
acetates,
none
of
that
here,
because
it's
made
in
Kentucky
by
Kentucky,
License
processors
and
it's
it's
packaged
in
Kentucky,
regulating
Kentucky,
Full,
Throttle
and
again
only
for
people
over
21
can
they
Vape.
So
if
that's
a
concern
that
you
have
and
I
know,
it
is
we've
spoken
about
it.
That's
an
argument
in
favor
of
Senate
Bill,
47.,
okay,.
A
K
The
the
other
section
that
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
this
is
because
I
want
it
on
record,
because
I've
tried
to
explain
it
myself
and
have
a
hard
time
getting
in
the
weeds
of
it.
The
School
portion
of
it
there's
concerns
about
having
nurses
administer
to
kids
that
need
it
during
the
day
which
again
I
know,
there's
there's
a
use
for
it,
but.
K
What's
your
vision
when
you
think
about
school
kids,
are
we
talking
about
a
condition
of
being
high
another
condition
for
teachers
to
to
deal
with
I
want
to
give
you
a
chance
to
explain
it
so
again,
we'll
we'll
have
an
answer
to
this
part
of
it
sure.
E
D
E
Is
a
long,
complicated
bill?
That's
been
hammered
out
over
five
year
period,
so
it's
clear
there.
There
are
going
to
be
technical
changes
in
the
future
next
year,
I'm
sure,
but
I
would
be
open
to
that.
E
The
reason
we
place
that
in
here
in
there
is
is
we
we
try
to
treat
it
just
like
any
other
medication
and
that's
how
other
medications
are
are
given
to
kids
while
they're
in
school,
currently
the
if
you're
under
18,
you
have
to
have
a
caregiver
that
helps
you
with
your
medication
and
gets
the
card
and
works
with
you
on
that
process.
E
K
Final
question,
Mr
chairman,
is
so
I'll
understand
it
the
setup
for
growth
and
distribution.
I
know
you
have
to
be
licensed,
I
know
you
have
to,
but
we
also
know
that
cannabis
can
be
grown
different
ways.
We
know
that
it
can
be.
My
understanding
is
a
stronger
portion.
Stronger
type
of
you
know
a
substance
on
it.
What
is
the
the
in
a
nutshell,
the
process
on
licensing
the
farmers
that
are
we
opening
this
up
to
our
any
farmer
that
that
has
a
farming
as
a
trade?
E
To
say
yes,
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
statement
and
then
I'm
going
to
let
representative
niemus
chime
in
because
we've
talked
about
this
as
well
I
to,
in
my
opinion,
if
this
is
going
to
be
grown
in
Kentucky,
it's
most
likely
an
indoor
grow.
That's
the
way.
This
is
set
up,
that
you
have
the
four
tiers
of
cultivators.
That's
the
tiers
are
based
on
square
footage
of
space.
Okay,.
D
E
C
Quickly,
first
off
I'm,
I'm
gonna
vote
for
the
bill
and
I'm
going
to
do
it
in
honor
of
my
district,
who
I
know
overwhelmingly,
wants
this
and
then
Mr
Crawford,
for
you,
sir,
and
then
represent
nemus
who's
been
a
Hero
on
this
issue
from
day
one
as
far
as
I
can
remember,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
all
know
that
this
is
still
illegal,
federally
right
and
it's
a
schedule,
one
federally
and
that's
some
pretty
intense
penalties
right
so,
but
every
State's
dealing
with
that
situation.
C
F
You
Mr
chairman
yeah
I,
want
to
respond
to
that
representative.
Obviously,
as
he
almost
always
is,
is
Right
other
than
I've
been
champion
from
number
one.
Western
and
Sims.
Here
are
the
one
and
Mark
Harvey
one's
elbowing
me
to
get
right
on
the
right
side,
but
I
want
to
know
the
serious
the
serious
portion
is.
Is
it
federally
illegal?
The
answer
is
yes,
it
is,
but
every
year
since
2014
there's
been
something
this
past
called
the
rohrbacher
far
Amendment.
F
That's
that
and
that's
been
in
every
budget
since
2014
and
by
the
United
States
Congress,
and
it
said
that
no
enforcement
dollars
from
the
Department
of
Justice
shall
be
used
in
concerning
marijuana
in
states
that
have
a
have
legalized,
the
medical
or
recreational
medical
marijuana
program.
So,
while
it's
true
that,
it's
that
it's
a
schedule,
one
and
and
illegal
in
the
from
the
United
States
Congress,
37
states
have
passed
it
obviously,
but
Congress.
F
Every
year
since
2014
has
said
in
states
that
have
a
medical
program,
there
will
be
no
enforcement
of
federal
law
so
thereby
in
those
States
saying
it's,
it's
not
illegal.
Now.
F
Yeah,
well,
you
have
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
state
law.
So
if,
if
there
are,
if
there
are
growers
in
in
Kentucky
that
are
not
in
compliance
with
the
state
program
that
we're
about
to
hopefully
enact,
then
that
that
will
be
in
violation
of
federal
law,
so
you
have
to
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
state,
the
state
law.
So
if
they're
I
haven't
seen
that
documentary
representative,
but
if
there
are
Growers
or
sellers
in
California
that
aren't
complying
with
whatever
California's
laws
are,
then
that
is
a
federal
violation.
C
And
sorry
judge
you
were
the
first
okay.
L
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
all
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
L
I
do
want
to
First,
say
that
I
am
in
full
support
of
this
piece
of
legislation
as
well
as
support
of
full
legalization,
also,
recreational
just
for
the
record,
but
one
of
the
questions
and
I
think
representative
Smith
touched
on
this.
A
little
bit
is
about
the
licensing
part.
L
One
thing
that
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
or
would
want
to
work
further
on,
is
just
making
sure
that,
when
these
license
are
given
out
to
folks
that
we
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
some
heavy
regulation
on
that,
it's
Kentucky
folks,
Kentucky
businesses
and
then
also
that
we
have
some
portions
in
there
around
some
racial
Equity,
making
sure
that
minorities,
women,
black
folks
Brown
folks,
also
have
access
and
an
equal
opportunity
to
get
into
this
industry,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all
to
make
sure
that
those
things
happen
in
the
future.
E
I
can
make
a
quick
comment
on
that.
This,
like
I,
said
this
is
a
free
market
bill.
Yeah
everybody
has
a
chance,
you're
a
Level,
Playing
Field.
The
one
thing
we
probably
can't
do
is
we
cannot
mandate
only
Kentucky
producers.
That
would
be
a
constitutional
violation,
U.S
Constitution,
so
we
even
if
we
wanted
to.
We
could
not
put
that
provision
in
the
bill.
L
Follow
up
yes,
ma'am
yeah
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
do
some
type
of
percentage
or,
if,
if
businesses
are
coming
in
that,
there's
some
type
of
percentage
that
they
are
have
some
type
of
that
kentuckians
have
some
type
of
ownership
or
partnership
with
those
outside
Industries
I?
Think
that
that's
very
important
for
folks
in
Kentucky
that
we
also
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
that
business
and
that
wealth
with
our
people.
E
F
F
We
want
those
who
are
running
in
this
program
to
be
held
accountable
when
they
misbehave
and
if
they
misbehave
they
need
to
go
to
prison,
a
Kentucky
prison,
and
so
so
we'll
go
as
far
as
the
U.S
Constitution
allows
us
to
go,
but
I
would
know
also
that
they
have
to
be
grown
here.
The
businesses
have
to
be
located
here
and
so
and
and
so
that
I
think
will
be
one
control,
but
I
share
your
your
views
that
we
want
it
to
be
kentuckians
residents,
I.
M
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
you
this
is
going
to
piggyback
a
little
bit
off
the
conversation
with
representative
bratcher
related
to
Regulatory
Compliance,
and
things
like
that.
Obviously,
in
previous
bills,
ABC
had
been
the
regulator
I
understand
with
this
being
medicine,
it
being
moved
over
to
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services.
M
What
I
was
trying
to
figure
out,
though,
with
Regulatory
Compliance
comes.
Obviously,
enforcement
so
will
chfs
create
an
enforcement
division
for
this,
or
will
they
work
directly
with
law
enforcement
at
the
local
or
state
level?
To
have
that,
because,
with
ABC
you
had
a
built-in
regulatory
Force,
obviously
with
their
their
agents
with
peace,
officer
powers
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
how
will
that
be
handled
in
this
situation?.
E
My
vision,
I'll,
give
you
the
Senate
vision
and
then
representative
nemus
can
share
his
house
Vision
I.
Guess
the
thought
is.
Everything
is
under
chfs
they're,
going
to
have
to
stand
up
in
enforcement
division
for
this
with
nchfs.
That's
another
reason:
we
gave
them
an
extra
six
months.
They
do.
They
already
have
an
office
there.
That
does
that.
Have
that
does
some
enforcement
but
clearly
they're
going
to
have
their
own
enforcement
division,
which
I'm
assuming
will
work
tanning
glove
with
State
Police
local
police,
those
type
people.
F
I
want
to
agree
with
that
100,
that's
part
of
the
regulatory
scheme
that
will
come
up.
There
will
be
licensing
fees
that
we'll
be
able
to
pay
for
that.
But
I
want
to
note
that
I
would
say
all
the
time
the
lights
are
bright
and
the
cops
have
the
keys,
so
law
enforcement
will
be
able
to
like
ABC,
we'll
be
able
to
come
into
these
facilities.
So
if
most
people
I
think
here
know
if
you,
if
you
sell
liquor,
then
you
are
giving
ABC
the
right
to
come
into
your
facility.
F
They
don't
need
a
fourth
amendment.
They
don't
need
a
search
warrant.
They
just
come
in
and
check
so
this
bill
says:
if
you're,
if
you're
a
processor
or
a
dispensary
or
whatever
or
a
grower
law
enforcement,
can
come
onto
your
property
and
check
in
to
make
sure
that
you're
doing
everything
right
at
any
time
they
want
to
without
notice.
F
So
that's
in
the
bills.
Well,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
highlighted.
N
Could
you
indulge
me
with
a
couple
questions
chairman
one
in
time?
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
one
at
a
time,
I'll
do
that
you
and
I
spoke
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
on
record
that,
because
I'm
not
going
to
throw
an
amendment
at
it
or
anything
this
year
that
we
will
take
that
out
of
school
nursing
that
that
we
will
do
that.
Yeah.
F
So
I
spoke
with
with
the
sponsor
of
the
bill.
Yesterday
on
the
senate
floor
and
I've
spoken
with
the
speaker
of
the
house
and
the
president
of
the
Senate,
we're
going
to
come
back
in
January
I
think
that
I
think
the
bill
would
allow
school
districts
to
go
ahead
and
do
that.
But
we're
going
to
make
it
crystal
clear
that
a
school
district
can
say
no
employee
of
the
school,
including
a
nurse,
will
administer
this.
In
which
case
then
the
caregiver
would
have
to
would
have
to
administer.
F
C
I
N
Okay,
thank
you
and
why
were
pharmacies
omitted
I,
just
kind
of
think
of
them
when
you
talk
medicinal
as
being
in
the
chain
of
command.
E
That
that
was
a
senate
decision.
We
felt
that
it
wasn't
just
my
decision.
It
was
others
in
the
Senate
that
ability
is
already
there.
So
so,
if
someone
they
have
a
card,
they
have
all
this
information
on
the
medical
marijuana
they're
currently
taking.
They
can
hand
that,
to
that
to
their
pharmacist
and
a
pharmacist
can
instruct
them.
You
know
if
I'm
on
these
other
medications
will
it
contradict
each
other.
E
We
feel
that
that
ability
is
already
there
and
that
that
and
adding
another
putting
them
in
the
bill.
Adding
another
layer
adding
another
fee
was
counterproductive
and
really
limited
the
patient's
ability
to
to
receive
the
medication.
Okay.
That
was
our
opinion.
If
I
could
go,
go
back
just
a
second
and
I
just
want
to
I
want
to
be
clear
on
the
record.
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
taking
the
nursing
portion
out,
but
I
can
never
ever
guarantee
you
what
the
Senate
will
do
in
the
end.
With
that,
you
know
so.
N
One
more
sir,
thank
you
and
forgive
me
I
was
in
judiciary.
The
this
is
raw
material
in
a
capsule,
correct.
E
O
G
The
most
prominent
use
in
disabled
golf
in
the
1990s,
it
was
pills
that
were
given
to
us
that
obviously
destroyed
a
lot
of
lives
of
opioids.
P
G
A
Thank
you,
okay,
here's!
What
we're
gonna
do.
We
got
three
more
Representatives
with
questions
and
then,
after
that,
we're
going
to
move
into
some
of
our
speakers
that
have
signed
up.
Then
we
can
get
back
to
questions
if
we
need
to
after
that.
So
representative
Fister
then
represent
Pratt
and
representative
Jackson.
So
representative
Pfister.
I
E
That
that
is
full
disclosure.
That
is
a
possibility,
if
that
happens,
they're
breaking
the
law.
Okay,
but
let's
don't
kid
ourselves!
Anyone
can
get
any
of
this
stuff
at
any
time
and
they're
currently
breaking
the
law.
E
A
middle
school
student
can
get
marijuana
right
now,
so
yeah,
yes,
it
does
it
did
now.
Chfs
is
going
to
come
up
with
strict
guidelines
on
what
constitutes
a
30-day
Supply.
So
if
you're
worried
about
that,
your
interest
would
be
to
greatly
restrict
that
30-day
Supply
down.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
extra
floating
around
out
there.
E
E
Chfs
is
working
in
conjunction
with
Physicians
and
there
are
there's
a
separate
board
set
up
to
advise
chfs
and
part
of
that.
We
we
envision.
That's
what's
going
to
happen,
you're
going
to
have
different
forms
of
use
and
and
different
amounts
and
different
levels
of
THC
right,
I.
Don't
think
you're
going
to
be
able
to
just
come
in
here
and-
and
you
know,
use
the
highest
level
of
THC
possible.
E
F
Want
to
know
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
is
we've
put
up.
We
put
percentages,
we
put
limits
on
on
on
the
percentages
of
THC.
There
are
a
number
of
states
that
don't
have
that
that
wasn't
good
for
us.
We
didn't
want
to
do
that.
So
we
looked
around
the
country
and
we
saw
what
they
were.
What
what
the
requirements
that
other
states
had
and
some
states
have
90
85
88
ours
is
70..
We
followed
Ohio's
law,
it's
the
most
strict
in
the
country,
and
so
that's
what
that's.
What
that's
why
we?
F
So
we
do
have
limited
limits
on
the
amount
of
THC
that
you
can
that
you
can
have
in
the
product,
but
I
would
note
to
your
representative
Fisher.
This
is
again
going
to
be
going
to
be
grown
here,
going
to
be
tested
here,
going
to
be
licensed
by
license
facilities.
F
It's
going
to
be
packaged
here
and
it's
not
going
to
have
the
things
in
it
that
you
and
I
don't
like,
because
it's
killing
our
people
right
that
will
not
be
in
this
product
and
so
and
if
you
do
smoke
this
product,
which
obviously
is
against
the
rules
it'll
be
packing
on
the
package,
you
will
not
only
lose
your
card,
you
will
go
to
prison,
you
will
lose
your
card.
If
you
get
caught
smoking
it
and
you
will
go
to
jail
as
you
ought
to.
This
is
not
a
wink.
Wink
nod
nod
medical
program.
F
Q
Q
E
Q
Q
Q
E
J
I
think
I
understand
the
growing
process.
I
think
I
understand
the
but
I
don't
understand
the
dispensing
process.
I
guess
that
would
be
a
concern
of
mine.
You
know
if
we
call
it
medical
marijuana.
Are
you
saying
that
pharmacies
will
not
be
able
to
dispense
this
okay?
So,
but
if
we
call
it
medical
marijuana,
would
it
not
make
more
sense?
If
pharmacies
could
dispense
this,
it
makes
it
more
of
a
professional
type
approach.
J
It
takes
the
wink
nod
out
of
it
a
little
bit
that
I
can
go
down
to
the
corner.
You
know
whatever
and
get
my
medical
marijuana
to
me.
It
would
be.
We
would
be
better
served
if
we
made
it
something
that
pharmacies
could
dispense
and
take
some
of
that
doubt.
You
know
we're
going
to
have
older
people
that
think
you
know
we're
going
to
hell
in
a
handbasket
here
and
if
we
could
do
this,
where
the
the
pharmacies
could
dispense
it,
it
would
have
more
legitimacy
to
me
than
the
other
way.
E
E
This
is
still
a
schedule.
One
drug
pharmacists
are
not
allowed
to
prescribe
schedule.
One
drugs
under
D.A,
the
rule
of
law
D.A.
They
have
a
DEA
number.
So
if
you
combine
those,
then
the
pharmacists
would
risk
losing
that
DEA
number
they
would
be
out
of
compliance
and
shut
down.
So
pharmacists
have
a
vested
interest
in
keeping
these
things
completely
separate
and
that's
why
we
separated
them
through
regulation
and
making
making
sure
of
that
so
so
in
in
a
perfect
world.
That
would
be
fine
and
that
would
work,
but
unfortunately
we
are.
E
We
are
threading,
the
needle
here,
as
as
representative
Bradshaw
talked
about
earlier
I'm.
An
attorney
I
could
argue
the
other
side
of
this
pretty
easily,
but
37
other
states
are
doing
it.
We
talked
about
the
restrictions
on
enforcement
dollars,
there's
also
a
letter
from
doj
stating
we
will
not
prosecute
these
these
crimes,
so
we're
kind
of
using
our
sovereignty
as
a
state
to
push
back
a
little
bit
against
the
federal
government,
but
part
of
that
is.
We
have
to
be
respectful
of
that
DEA
number
because
they
will.
They
will
enforce
that.
In
my
opinion,.
F
We
never
had
a
pharmacist
dispensing
because,
as
representative
Senator
West
just
said,
that's
not
allowed,
but
what
we
had
last
year
was
that
the
the
dispensary
which,
by
the
way,
can't
sell
snicker
bars
can't
sell
coca-colas
can't
sell
aspirin.
They
it's
medical
cannabis.
Only.
That's
the
dispensary
you're
not
going
to
go
into
the
7-Eleven
and
get
your
medical
cannabis.
That's
not
that's
not
what
this
is.
F
So
what
we
had
was
the
the
dispensary
had
to
have
a
collaborative
agreement
with
the
pharmacist,
so
we
never
had
a
situation
where
a
pharmacist
was
going
to
be
dispensing
it
or
a
pharmacy
was
going
to
be
dispensing
it.
That
would
have
been
violation
of
the
law,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
lot
of
people
said
well
you've
you
used
to
be
in
a
pharmacy,
and
now
it's
not
anymore.
It
was
never
in
a
pharmacy
and
we
passed
that
twice
in
the
house
with
significant
majorities.
That
way.
Thank
you.
A
R
You
Mr
chairman
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work.
This
is
a
better
bill
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it.
Certainly
I
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
know
that
some
of
the
questions
were
touched
on
before
I
got
here.
I
too
was
in
Jude
in
judiciary.
So
my
apologies.
R
You
addressed
the
school
issue
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
you're
going
to
work
on
this
The
Vaping
issue
I.
You
know
I'm
still
a
little
confused
about
why
we're
allowing
raw
material
because
it
is
going
to
be
smoked
and
I.
You
know
we
say
that
it's
not
going
to
be
smoked,
but
you
can
Vape
it.
We
don't
really
Vape
other
medicines
and
so
I'm
and
and
not
to
say
that
there
isn't
research
out
there.
That's
maybe
looking
at
this.
You
know.
R
Maybe
that
is
the
delivery
system
that
that
will
work
for
people,
but
it's
it's
not
really
a
doseable
formulation,
as
represented
Fister
brought
up
yeah.
We
have
a
research
center
who
are
looking
at
making
this
a
doseable
formulation
to
really
tighten
up
on
and
and
help
our
physicians
and
aprns
and
those
who
can
recommend
they
can't
prescribe
this
because,
as
you
said,
they
put
their
DEA
license
at
risk.
R
So
there
are
parts
of
this
that
I
like
and
parts
that
I
still
have
questions
about
the
qualifying
medical
condition.
I
really
like
that.
You
added
House
Bill
590.
Actually,
the
provisions
of
of
the
research
bill
that
I
filed
that
allows
for
any
medical
condition
or
disease
that
the
Kentucky
Center
for
cannabis
establishes
as
as
helpful
that
that'll
automatically
it
looks
like
be
an
indication.
That's
that's
allowable
under
this
provision.
So
I
do
like
that.
R
I
think
that
there
are
some
problems
with
with
the
the
provision
that
talks
about
chronic
nausea
nausea
I
mean
maybe
with
cancer
patients.
This
is
a
problem,
but
the
cyclical
vomiting
syndrome.
That
sounds
to
me
like
the
cannabinoid
hyperemesis
syndrome
that
is
actually
caused
by
cannabis
use.
So
can
you
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you
identified
the
qualifying
medical
conditions?
I
mean
I
I,
assume
that
that
you
all
worked
with
Healthcare
Providers
on
this.
E
E
E
Could
you
argue
that
some
of
these
shouldn't
be
on
here
yeah
you
could,
but
that,
after
in
consultation
with
all
of
our
partners,
we've
been
involved
with
we've
had
numerous
meetings
with
kma
other
groups.
It's
it's
just
a
long
process
that
we
came
to
this
conclusion.
I'll.
Let
you
chime
in
I,
can't
point
to
one
one
day
that
it
just
happened
right.
It
was
over
working
with
the
bill
drafter
in
about
15
interested
parties,
we've.
F
Had
iterations
of
the
bill
where
we've
had
a
number
of
conditions,
we've
had
someone,
we
had
no
conditions
and
it's
up
to
the
doctor.
What
we
did
here
is
we
we
looked
at
what
the
Studies
have
shown,
and
we
don't
have
the
study
in
front
of
me,
but
you
and
I
have
talked
about
it.
It
had
four
or
five
where
that
was
unquestionably
helpful
for
those
are
those
are
in
this
bill.
Ptsd
was
added
to
that.
F
These
are
the
same
conditions
that
we
passed
last
time
last
year
with
the
addition
of
the
Kentucky
Center
for
cannabis,
language
that
Senator
West
put
in
there.
I
would
note
that
the
law
in
Kentucky
today,
by
the
way
under
Governor
bashir's
executive
order
is
they
have
21
conditions
and
so
Senator
West
said
you
can
argue
that
some
of
these
shouldn't
be
on
there
and
I.
R
Okay,
so
I
see
that
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Agriculture
is
not
part
of
this
and
we
have
an
existing,
really
robust
hemp
program
with
it's.
It's
replicated
Across
the
Nation.
It
is
a
success
story
and
I'm
just
wondering
why
the
Department
of
Agriculture
was
not
part
of
this,
because
I
I
know
that
farmers
are
feeling
like
they
may
or
may
not
fit
into
this
complicated
tier
system.
So
can
you
just
address
that
and
and
is
there
any
possibility
of
adding
the
Department
of
Agriculture.
E
This
is
my
opinion,
then
I'll,
let
representative
name
is
chime
in
I.
Don't
think,
there's
the
possibility.
The
reason
for
that
the
KDA
has
never
been
included
as
the
entity
that
would
manage
and
oversee
the
program
for
years.
It's
been
basically
back
and
forth
between
ABC
and
chfs.
The
main
reason
for
that
is
this
is
not.
E
E
That
is
consistent,
we're
trying
attempting
to
be
consistent
when
it
comes
to
regulating
medicine
and
that's
chfs
to
us.
It
was
apples
and
oranges.
You
know
Industrial
Hemp
versus
medical
marijuana
and
and
you're
you're
growing,
Industrial
Hemp
is
one
thing,
but
the
product
you're
looking
for
here,
you're
trying
to
achieve
pharmaceutical
grade
a
pharmaceutical
grade
product.
E
So
that's
why
you
have
the
indoor
grow,
that's
where
you
have
all
the
restrictions,
that's
where
you
have
square
footage,
and
it's
it's
a
much
more
scientific
pharmaceutical
biological
type
process
than
you
know,
putting
putting
a
row
of
hemp
out
in
the
field.
I'm,
a
farmer
myself,
so
I
I've
actually
grown
him.
So
I
understand
the
reasoning.
What
you're,
what
you're
asking,
but,
but
that
was
the
reason
that
we
kept
it
under
chfs.
E
We're
still
con
I'm,
still
convinced
that
if
you're
a
Kentucky
farmer,
you
have
just
as
much
right
as
anybody
to
apply
for
one
of
these
license
set
up
a
facility.
One
of
the
four
tiers
of
cultivation
get
your
license,
and
you
have
just
as
much
right
as
anyone
else
to
go
after
it
and
to
set
up
set
up
shop.
F
I
agree
with
everything
you
just
said:
I'll
I've
had
the
bill
for
six
years
in
Kentucky,
Department
of
Agriculture
hadn't
come
to
me
one
time
and
asking
to
be
a
part
of
it.
I've
heard
a
little
bit
over
the
last
couple
weeks,
but
it's
never
been
directed
toward
me
and
I've
been
the
Principal
sponsor
for
six
years.
So
I
I
agree
with
everything.
Senator
West
said,
but
I'll
also
add
that
I
know
those
guys
and
they
haven't
reached
out
to.
A
A
I'll
just
stay
here,
trying
to
get
they
wouldn't
open
them,
I
guess
higher
safety
thing.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Welcome,
gentlemen.
Make
sure
your
green
light's
on
you've
both
been
here
before,
make
sure
your
green
light's
on
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
If
you
guys
can
take
a
couple
minutes
and
say
your
piece
all
right.
P
P
Right
I'll
go
I
can
go
first,
mine's
going
to
be
real,
quick
because
he'll
play
a
lot
of
what
he
said,
I'm
an
agreement
with,
but
on
Twitter
today
I
saw
an
article
from
NBC
channel
7
in
San
Diego
California,
there's,
probably
some
March
9th
of
this
year
in
the
headlines,
more
young,
kids
in
San
Diego
and
around
us
being
hospitalized
after
eating
cannabis
products
and
according
to
2022
California
marijuana
impact
report.
P
P
P
S
Good
afternoon,
chairman
Coke
and
the
members
of
the
committee
I'm
Michael
Johnson
Senior
policy
advisor
for
the
family
foundation,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Let
me
start
by
saying
that
I
have
personally
witnessed
firsthand
the
effects
of
a
family
member's
chronic
disorder,
which
has
caused
much
pain
and
greatly
disrupted
their
life.
I've
sat
with
a
close
family
member
as
they
received
treatment
for
cancer.
I've
sat
with
a
family
member
during
their
last
days
as
their
battle
with
cancer
came
to
an
end.
S
But
the
reality
is
that
there
is
insufficient
scientific
evidence
that
marijuana
is
safe
and
effective
as
a
medication,
while
the
majority
of
states
have
enacted
so-called
medical
marijuana.
Those
decisions
have
been
political
and
lack
to
careful
scientific
evaluation
of
the
benefits
and
risks
of
marijuana's
use.
That
is
why
the
Family
Foundation
in
2020
supported
house
concurrent
resolution
five.
S
S
There
are
plenty
of
reasons
to
oppose
sb47,
even
if
you
do
favor
legalizing
medical
marijuana
to
name
a
few
Senate
Bill
47
legalizes
medical
marijuana
for
minors,
with
no
minimum
age
requirement
and
even
forces
School
nurses
to
administer
marijuana
to
card
holding
students.
I
do
appreciate
the
sponsor's
willingness
to
address
that
issue.
S
Also
problematic
is
that
it
explicitly
allows
for
vaping
as
y'all
are
aware
and
addressed
this
this
afternoon
and
contrary
to
the
Commonwealth's
three-day
Supply
limit
of
prescriptions
for
other
addictive
drugs.
Sb47
allows
medical
marijuana
card
holders
to
possess
a
30-day
Supply
at
their
home
and
if
they
are
a
caregiver,
it's
an
additional
30-day
supply
for
each
patient.
S
S
S
Instead,
let
this
honorable
body
come
forward
in
January
with
a
bill
that
contains
evidence-based
policies
and
better
reflects
the
less
flawed
bills
previously
passed
by
this
chamber
is
for
these
reasons
that
the
Family
Foundation
respectfully
opposes
Senate
Bill
47
and
asks
you
to
do
the
same.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
T
It
is
okay,
yeah
it's
for
the
Family
Foundation.
Thank
you
all
for
both
groups
for
coming
I.
Think
part
of
being
policy
makers
is
for
us
to
hear
both
sides
of
things.
So
I
appreciate
you
all
bringing
your
time.
My
question
is
for
the
family
foundation
and
I.
Think
a
a
repetitive
conversation
you
all
have
had
in
Frankfurt
is
that
it
should
be
the
Parent's
Choice.
That's
been
a
theme,
that's
been
all
throughout
this
session,
specifically
for
your
group,
and
you
know
my
question
to
you
all
is
as
a
family
Foundation.
S
Yeah
so
our
theme
in
the
general
assembly
working
with
y'all
this
session,
has
been
to
protect
Kentucky's
children.
S
E
A
F
Yeah,
personally,
being
the
school
part
and
I'm
not
I'm,
not
okay
with
that
and
the
reason
I'm
not
okay
with
that
is
because
we
are
at
the
we
are
the
last
day
of
session.
We
have,
we
don't
have
much
time
left.
We
need
to
get
it
passed
today,
so
we
can
make
sure
it
gets
passed
if
we
pass
it
through
the
house
and
it
doesn't
get
concurred
in
the
senate
for
whatever
reason,
timing
or
whatever,
then
we're
another
year
behind.
We
need
to
pass
this
today.
You
have
my
commitment,
representative
Smith.
F
You
have
Senator
West's
commitment.
You
have
President
Stivers
commitment
as
I've
talked
to
him
and
looked
him
in
the
eyes.
We
will
get
the
nurse
portion
taken
care
of
in
January.
This
doesn't
go
into
effect
until
January
2025..
We
can't
commit
the
house
and
the
Senate,
but
you've
got
the
two
people
who've
been
fighting
for
it
the
longest.
It
will
look
in
you
right
in
the
eyes
and
say
we
will
get
this
done,
get
in
the
nursing,
nursing
portion,
pull
it
out
in
January.
A
N
G
T
Thank
you
today,
I
I
cast
my
yes
vote
in
memory
of
Colby
Salzman.
Her
mom
is
here
today.
Alex
Fulkerson
Alex
has
used
her
pain
and
grief
to
advocate
for
this
bill
since
I've
been
elected.
She
has
been
there
for
me
at
the
very
beginning.
Helping
me
understand
medical
marijuana
so
I
take
this
vote
today
for
the
18th
District
of
the
people
of
Grayson
County
I'm,
part
of
Hardin
County
for
for
Kobe
and
for
Alex.
Thank
you.
L
O
Explain:
Mr
chairman,
yes,
ma'am
I'm,
a
yes
vote
today
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
all
of
the
hard
work
you've
put
into
this
bill.
I'm
voting,
yes
for
everyone
in
District
40
that
supports
the
legalization
of
cannabis
on
for
medical
purposes,
only
who
need
this
in
their
lives
because
they
suffer
from
these
conditions
and
I
am
also
voting
yes
for
all
the
over
90
percent
of
kentuckians
that
are
in
support
of
medical
cannabis.
O
I
am
also
thankful
for
the
lead
time
that
that
has
been
given
in
this
bill
for
all
of
the
work
that
I
think
needs
to
be
ironed
out
in
terms
of
protections
and
incentives
and
priorities
for
growth
and
distribution
of
legal
cannabis.
Medical
cannabis
by
kentuckians
for
kentuckians
I
just
want
to
make
sure
Senator.
You
mentioned
free
market
and
everyone
on
equal
footing.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
actually
happens
when
this
bill
does
go
into
effect.
So
thank
you
all
today
and
I'm
a
yes.
R
May
I
explain
myself:
yes,
ma'am
I'm
gonna
be
a
no
today,
because
I
think
that
I
well.
First
of
all,
let
me
just
say
we
you,
we
unanimously
passed
House
Bill
604
last
year
that
it
instituted
the
research
center,
which
will
give
us
the
answers
that
we
seek
in
this
I'm
uncomfortable
passing
a
bill
out
that
needs
so
much
work
still.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
on
this
and
I
do
appreciate
this
I
I.
Just
don't
think
that
legislators
should
be
put
in
the
position
of
approving
medication.
R
I
am
I,
have
a
problem
with
creating
a
giant
government
bureaucracy
around
one
medication,
I
still
have
issues.
There
are
no
safe
storage
requirements
for
parents
who
are
using
this
there's
a
70
THC
level
and
then
for
the
individuals
across
the
Commonwealth
who
are
for
this
and
think
that
this
is
a
revenue
generator
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
we
don't
tax
medicines.
We
don't
want
to
tax
medicines
and
I
I.
So
this
is
not
a
revenue
generator.
It
will
be
a
cost
to
the
state
and
to
taxpayers.
So
let's
get
this
right.
R
K
Let's
explain
my
vote
Yes
sir.
This
has
been
a
hard
one
for
me.
I
want
it.
I
want
medical
marijuana,
I
have
a
wife
who
cries
in
the
middle
of
night,
with
fibro
and
she's
gone
through
years
of
treatment,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
the
pain
away.
I
believe
there's
a
solution
in
this.
For
and
as
of
right
now,
I've
made
up
my
mind:
I'm
a
yes.
U
Briefly,
explain
my
vote
Yes,
sir.
First
and
foremost,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward
I'm
a
yes
today,
as
I
was
last
year,
the
reviews
I've
I've,
seen
on
on
treatment
with
Parkinson's
tremors,
particularly
in
my
realm
I
know
that
hasn't
really
been
discussed
today,
but
the
research
I
was
doing
with
my
groups
of
people
were
talking
about
how
valid
that
is
so
I'm
supportive.
For
that
the
question
a
statement
was
made
that
this
people
are
feeling
like.
U
This
is
the
option:
no,
it's
an
option
and
that's
what
we
need
to
be
looking
at
next,
the
class
and
dedication
of
the
people
that
supported
this
policy
all
the
way
along.
You
all
fought
for
this
a
long
long
time.
You
did
the
right
way,
I
I
appreciate
it.
I
was
never
threatened
and
I
can
I
can
tell
you
I
appreciate
that,
because
I've
had.