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A
Education-
this
is
our
sixth
meeting
of
the
session,
want
to
welcome
everyone.
That's
here.
I
do
ask
that
if
you
do
have
a
cell
phone,
if
you
please
just
turn
that
to
silence
or
vibrate,
that
is
for
members
on
the
committee
as
well
as
those
guests
that
we
have
in
attendance
for
today,
greatly
appreciate
that
as
well,
and
also
just
that
I
can
get
this
message
out
before
we
start
the
committee.
A
Please
know
that
there
is
a
standing
rules,
that
there
are
no
props,
that
there
are
no
posters
anything
along
those
lines
that
can
be
used.
During
a
committee
meeting,
we
have
the
same
rules
on
our
senate
chamber
floors.
These
have
been
long-standing
rules
as
well
as
the
committee.
So
if
there's
anything
that
becomes
disturbing,
please
understand
that
that
can
be
subject
to
someone
being
removed
from
the
committee
room.
We
practice
civility,
especially
in
this
committee,
and
I
ask
that
you
please
abide
by
all
rules
that
have
been
long
standing
as
part
of
this
annex.
A
C
You
know
center
wise,
I'm
always
proud
of
my
beloved
lexington,
and
I
have
teachers
here
today.
I
won't
mention
their
names,
but
I
have
teachers
here
from
james
lane,
ellen
elementary
from
carter
g
woodson
academy,
from
winburn
middle
from
sandersville,
elementary
from
bryant
station
high
school,
my
my
high
school
alma
mater
the
learning
center
mlk
academy
in
douglas
high
school.
I
would
just
like
to
ask
all
of
them
to
stand
please,
so
they
can
be
acknowledged.
A
Thank
you,
senator
thomas,
thank
you
guests.
Anyone
else
see
none.
We
do
have
two
presentations
before
we
get
into
our
legislation.
Our
bills
on
the
agenda
for
today,
and
I
would
like
to
to
announce
that
february
is
career,
technical
and
entrepreneurial
education
month.
This
past
tuesday
was
career,
technical
education,
student
organization,
leadership
day,
which
was
held
here
in
frankfort,
where
student
leaders
from
across
the
state
visited
with
their
state
senators
and
their
state
representatives.
A
A
Miss
baird
is
representing
the
future
farmers
of
america
where
she
serves
as
the
state
vice
president
and
kell.
If
you
don't
care
on
your
microphone,
there
there's
a
button
in
the
middle.
If
you
can
push
that
when
the
green
light
comes
on
and
if
you
would
just
first
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
you're
welcome
to
proceed.
D
D
Many
of
our
students
earn
post-secondary
credit
during
high
school
through
articulated
and
dual
credit
courses
in
a
in
addition
to
learning
technical
skills
in
the
classroom.
Cte
students
learn
communication,
leadership
and
teamwork
skills
through
their
involvement
in
career
and
technical
student
organizations
or
ctsos.
D
Kentucky
ctsos
include
deca:
an
organization
of
marketing
students,
educators,
rising
future
business
leaders
of
america,
family
career
and
community
leaders
of
america,
the
national
ffa
organization,
hosa,
future
health
professionals,
skills,
usa
and
technology,
students
of
america.
Together,
these
organizations
have
nearly
40
000
members
who
are
preparing
to
lead
kentucky's
economy
in
the
decades
to
come.
D
When
thinking
about
the
impact
that
the
last
six
years
in
cte
and
ffa
have
had
in
my
own
life,
I
immediately
think
about
the
timid,
freshman
sitting
in
the
school
auditorium.
For
my
green
hand
ceremony
that
night
I
was
selected
to
give
the
ffa
creed
when
my
name
was
called
to
come
to
the
stage
I
panicked.
D
You
would
have
believed
that
the
gun
had
gone
off
at
the
kentucky
derby,
because
I
took
off
like
a
racehorse,
eagerly
waiting
to
come
to
the
end
of
those
beloved
five
paragraphs
that
14
year
old
freshman
was
embarrassed
endlessly
telling
myself.
I
just
wasn't
a
good
speaker
and
I
would
never
be
able
to
confidently
speak
in
front
of
a
crowd
which
brings
me
to
this
past
november,
the
capital
city
leadership
conference
at
anderson,
county
high
school.
I
was
invited
to
give
remarks
and
I
was
nervous.
D
Nearly
six
years
later,
I
had
flashbacks
of
walking
onto
the
stage
and
freezing
six
years
of
learning
proper
parliamentary
procedure
speech,
practice
teaching
ag
courses
in
elementary
school
and
planning
officer,
meetings
and
workshops.
Six
years
of
becoming
a
leader
becoming
a
speaker
becoming
an
advocate
becoming
the
best
version
of
myself.
D
Those
six
years
allowed
me
to
walk
up
on
that
anderson
county
stage,
grab
a
mic
and
confidently
speak
to
a
crowd
with
a
message
and
without
a
hiccup,
ffa
and
cte
have
given
not
only
me
but
the
138
000
members.
The
ability
to
walk
up
and
onto
that
stage
advocate
and
lead
career
and
technical
education
and
career
and
technical
education.
Technical
student
organizations
are
preparing
the
workforce
and
leaders
of
tomorrow.
Thank
you
for
your
support
and
for
your
continued
investment
in
our
lives
and
in
the
future
of
our
state.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions.
A
Ms
baird
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
your
testimony.
You've
got
a
great
career
pathway
ahead
of
you
and
it's
great
to
hear
some
of
the
things
you've
overcame
and
especially
with
your
work
through
ffa
and
all
your
leadership
responsibilities.
You've
done.
We
appreciate
your
testimony.
Thank
you
also
for
your
work
in
organizations
and
civic
groups
and
hope
that
carries
on
into
your
adult
life
and
best
of
luck
in
the
rest
of
your
studies
with
agricultural
economics
at
the
university
of
kentucky.
Thank.
A
Our
next
presentation
relates
to
school
safety
and
I
would
ask
that
our
state
school
school
safety
marshal
is
kind
of
a
tongue
twister
there
ben
wilcox
makes
his
way
to
the
table
and
during
the
2019
regular
session
senate
bill,
1
was
a
school
safety
and
resiliency
act,
officially
became
law,
and
so
we've
asked
our
state
school
safety
marshal
to
be
with
us
today
to
provide
us
a
current
update
about
implementations
and
work.
That's
been
done.
Statewide
ben,
it's
great
to
see
you
as
always
you're
a
great
resource
to
us.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
My
name
is
ben
wilcox.
I
am
the
state
school
security
marshal
and
that
did
take
me
about
six
months
to
be
able
to
figure
out
exactly
how
to
pronounce
that.
So,
yes,
it's
kind
of
a
tongue
twister
chairman
wise
and
committee
members.
It
is
my
absolute
pleasure
to
be
with
you
today
to
talk
about
the
wonderful
things
that
been
happening.
The
last
two
years
with
the
rollout
of
the
school
safety
and
resiliency
act.
E
I've
been
asked
to
give
a
quick
review
of
the
school
state
state.
School
security
marshal
state
school
security,
marshals,
enhance
school
safety
by
monitoring,
school
safety
and
security
initiatives,
developing
reasonable
training
and
other
guidelines,
develop
school
security,
risk
assessment
tool
and
ensuring
compliance,
and
that's
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
I've
written
everything
down
to
read
to
you
or
go
over,
because
when
I
start
talking
about
school
safety,
I
can
go
on
for
a
long
time,
we're
very
passionate
about
it.
E
E
We
are
in
our
third
risk
assessment.
We
have.
We
have
1280
schools
that
we
we
assess
in
the
2021-2022
school
year.
We
are
at
58,
complete
with
all
of
our
with
our
schools
within
the
state
we
have
744
schools
completed
with
536
more
to
go
this
year.
Our
goal
is
to
have
all
schools
completed
by
the
end
of
april,
and
that
will
give
us
opportunity
to
do
reassessments
if
necessary.
E
If
schools
are
not
compliant
kind
of
give
you
a
history
of
how
our
risk
assessments
have
progressed
since
we
started
in
2019,
we
came
up
with
a
draft
for
our
risk
assessment.
It
had
not
been
approved
yet,
but
we
wanted
to
get
out
to
the
schools,
because
we
knew
that
the
risk
assessment
that
we
had,
we
knew
what
the
mandates
were,
and
we
really
wanted
the
schools
to
know
what
those
mandates
were.
E
We
presented
that
risk
assessment
to
the
schools
and
said
you
need
to
get
into
your
schools,
see
what
needs
to
be
changed,
see
what
needs
to
be
fixed
and
we'll
see.
In
january,
we
were
able
to
hire
all
of
our
compliance
officers.
We
had
them
trained
up
by
january,
13
2020
and
we
started
our
risk
assessment
process.
E
Our
first
risk
assessment
was
basically,
as
we
would
say,
is
on
us.
We
didn't
put
it
into
a
report.
All
we
did
is
go
in
and
most
importantly
started,
building
relationships
with
our
schools,
with
our
superintendents,
with
our
sscs
and
with
our
staff,
and
we
went
around
and
looked
for.
Deficiencies
looked
for
things
that
were
good
and
we
said
we
see
you
next
year
for
the
first
actual
assessment
that
would
go
into
a
report.
Of
course,
march
of
2020
was
different
for
everybody.
E
One
of
the
biggest
things
I'm
proud
of
is
not
only
are
we
compliance
officers
that
we
go
on
and
do
an
assessment,
but
we
have
a
great
relationship
with
our
schools
and
we've
always
wanted
to
put
forth
with
our
schools
that,
yes,
we
are
a
compliance
officer,
but
we
want
to
get
you
to
a
point
where
you
are
compliant.
We
want
to
get
you
to
a
point
where
you
are
following
these
mandates
and
if
you
have
trouble
reaching
those
mandates
that
we
can
help
you
get
to
that
point.
E
We've
built
several
relationships
all
over
the
state.
Our
compliance
officers
are
on
first
name
basis
with
all
of
our
principals.
If
they
have
questions
about
school
safety,
they
call
they
call
our
compliance
officers
before
we
had
them
hired
my
phone
rang
off
the
hook.
Now
it
doesn't
ring
very
much
anymore
because
they're
talking
to
their
regional
compliance
officers
about
safety,
we
also
do
training
we
do
advising.
If
we
have
a
new
principal
or
a
new
superintendent
or
new
ssc,
we
go
into
the
school
and
explain
them
the
process.
E
One
of
our
biggest
relationships
that
we
have
is,
with
the
kentucky
center
for
school
safety
they're
the
folks
that
are
the
they
have
all
the
answers.
When
it
comes
to
school
safety,
we
like
to
think
they
do,
and
if
we
run
into
issues
where
we
can't
help,
we
send
that
over
to
kcss
and
that
may
be
an
emergency
operations
plan.
We
may
look
at
one
and
say
this
needs
some
tweaking.
We
send
it
over
to
john
acres
and
his
folks
to
get
that
worked
out
or
threat
assessment
training.
E
We
have
a
threat
assessment
team,
but
we
need
training
on
it.
Kentucky
center
for
school
safety
will
take
care
of
that.
We
work
directly
with
the
schools.
With
that
I'd
like
to
go
over
some
of
our
collaborations.
We
could
collaborate
with
kentucky
department,
education,
behavioral,
health
and
mental
disabilities,
kentucky
state
police,
local,
first
responder
agencies,
all
the
k
groups.
I
can't
name
them
all,
but
that
was
one
thing
I
had
to
learn
what
all
the
k
groups
was.
E
We
work
directly
with
department
of
criminal
justice,
training,
kcss
and
kde
on
our
active
shooter
video
we've
put
two
videos
out
we'll
be
redoing
that
video
this
year
and
we
work
diligently
with
that.
It
was
very
difficult
to
do
a
active,
shooter
video
in
2020
due
to
kobed.
If
you
watch
the
video
one
of
the
teachers,
that's
in
that
video
is
actually
my
wife.
That
was
very
nice
of
her
to
volunteer,
but
it
was
hard
to
find
actors,
but
she
does
a
fantastic
job.
E
One
of
the
main
points
I
want
to
hit
today
that
we're
really
working
hard
for
across
the
state,
of
course,
is
mental
health,
and
one
thing:
that's
that
sparked
from
this.
The
school
safety
and
resiliency
act
was
our
handle
with
care
program
here
in
the
state,
and
we
are
one
of
the
only
states,
if
not
the
only
state
that
has
a
statewide
handle
with
care
program.
If
you've
not
heard
what
handle
with
care
is.
158-44165-D
is
the
trauma-informed
approach
that
all
schools
must
have
within
that
trauma-informed
approach.
E
There
has
to
be
a
connection
between
law
enforcement
and
schools
when
it
comes
to
childhood
trauma.
So
therefore,
if
a
officer
responds
to
a
house
and
there's
some
type
of
childhood
trauma
that
that
officer
would
be
able
to
make
contact
with
the
school
to
give
them
a
heads
up
of
that
childhood
trauma,
the
handle
with
care
program
fits
that
bill
perfectly.
E
That
email
goes
to
the
school
there
in
madison
county,
so
the
school,
the
the
school,
the
students
are
not
lost
on
being
around
the
state.
I
should
say
one
thing
we
did
run
into
is
we
have
a
hundred
percent
of
the
schools
in
the
state
of
kentucky
are
using
the
hanover
care
program,
but
we've
got
another
side
to
that.
E
We
have
to
have
our
officers
to
make
those
notifications
when
covet
hit,
that
kind
of
fell
off,
because
school
wasn't
in
we've
been
actually
driving
across
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
when
we
do
our
assessments,
our
compliance
officers
are
visiting
visiting
with
every
police
department,
sheriff's
office
park,
ranger
location
in
the
state
and
handing
out
stickers.
That
say,
don't
forget
about
the
kids.
Do
your
handle
care
notifications?
E
We
also
are
handing
out
posters
to
those
officers
to
make
sure
they
remember
and
the
reason
why
we
did
such
a
small
picture
is
it
fit
on
the
mdt
of
their
cruiser.
Just
as
a
reminder,
I
want
to
thank
john
acres
with
the
kentucky
center
for
school
safety.
They
assisted
that
with
us
they're
the
ones
that
paid
for
the
stickers
and
posters.
E
E
If
a
school
is
not
in
compliance
with
that,
we
have
the
procedures
to
go
back
to
do
another
assessment
to
get
them
in
compliance,
and
that
is
basically
going
over
with
the
school.
What
needs
to
be
fixed
and
we'll
go
back
in
and
do
another
compliance
check
section
two
of
the
risk
assessment
is
necessary
safety
and
security
procedures
that
are
not
connected
to
building
funds.
E
We've
got
almost
100
percent
on
all
of
our
mandates.
There
and
we've
worked
with
the
schools
to
make
sure
that
they
get
to
that
point.
If
you've
read
in
my
report
or
had
an
opportunity
to
some
of
the
places
that
we're
working
on
are
some
of
the
goals
that
were
included
in
the
bill
and
that's
the
goal
of
one
mental
health
professional
for
each
student,
one
to
250.,
we
have
a
41.88
percent
schools
in
the
state
of
kentucky
have
a
1
to
250
ratio
of
mental
health
professionals
per
student.
E
E
Some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
finding
in
our
job
is
not
lack
of
wanting
to
follow
the
mandates,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
turnover
in
our
schools
when
it
comes
to
sscs
or
school
safety
coordinators
and
a
lot
of
turnover
when
it
comes
to
principles,
and
that's
when
I
say
turnover
a
principal
baby
in
a
building
then
move
on
somewhere
else,
and
so,
if
we've
really
trained
up
our
principal
and
then
we
get
a
new
principal
or
a
new
ssc,
we
do
a
lot
of
work
to
go
back
and
train
those
folks
up
with
the
mandates
of
the
school
safety
and
resiliency
act.
E
We
work
a
lot
during
the
summer.
A
lot
of
folks
say.
Well,
what
are
you
doing
during
the
summer?
We
make
a
lot
of
trips
and
we
do
a
lot
of
training
we
train.
If
a
school
system
invites
us
to
come
talk
to
their
teachers,
about
the
school
safety
and
resiliency
act,
we
will
go
in
and
speak
with
them.
I've
been
to
several
individual
school
districts,
our
compliance
officers
go
to
individual
schools
and
it's
kind
of
like
we'll
be
back
to
see
you.
E
E
Our
numbers
are,
as
stated,
sro1
there's
been
559
sros
trained
in
sro1
sro2
we've
had
191
and
we
have
graduated
35
sros
and
sr03
having
35
fully
fully
certified
sros
per
the
school
safety
and
resilience
act.
120
hours
worth
of
training
really
quickly,
there's
several
things
that
were
included
in
the
bill
that
needed
to
go
into
sro
training
and,
of
course,
a
lot
of
those
were
covered
in
our
sro1.
E
The
most
is
mental
health
training,
for
example,
we
had
trauma-informed
action
was
a
one-hour
block
and
sr01
is
now
a
five-hour
block
in
sro2
we
don't
bring
in
just
police
officers
to
train
that
we
bring
in
the
same
mental
health
professionals
that
train
train
teachers,
megan
martin,
who
was
at
abery.
I
believe
she's
out
of
one
of
the
co-ops
now
comes
in
and
does
that
training
and
our
school
resource
officers
eat
that
up,
that's
the
stuff
they
need.
They
know
how
to
be
police
officers.
E
They
know
how
to
do
that,
but
they
need
that
that
that
further
information
and
also
another
kind
of
this
is
really
great,
is-
is
a
class
every
class
past
512
basic
class
class
5
past
512
are
certified
in
lease
sro1
and
we
are
in
class
528
right
now,
so
anybody
that
has
been
trained
from
class
5
to
12
to
class
528
in
basic
training
at
least
has
sr01.
E
So
if
you've
put
in
a
young
officer,
they
put
two
or
three
years
on
the
street
and
then
decide
to
become
an
sro
they're
already
got
number
one
out
of
the
way.
That
also
helps
if
you've
got
a
sick
sro
and
you
need
to
put
another
officer
in
there.
They've
already
got
the
first
fundamentals
of
being
an
sro
in
that
training.
E
We
do
a
discussion,
I
actually
go
in
and
train
every
sro2
class
to
do
two
hours,
training
on
the
school
safety
and
resiliency
act,
because
obviously
our
sros
are
front
line
in
the
schools
they're,
the
ones
that
need
to
know
exactly
what
those
mandates
are,
and
I
am
a
former
sro.
I
was
sro
starting
in
1999
in
montgomery
county.
I
did
that
for
six
years
before
I
became
an
instructor
at
the
academy,
and
I
always
said
that
the
sro
is
a
specialty
unit.
E
Just
like
a
canine
unit
would
be
just
like
a
swat
unit
would
be
just
like
a
detective
would
be,
and
with
the
passing
of
the
school
safety
and
resiliency
act,
it
really
brought
home
that
it
is
a
specialty
unit,
120
hours
of
certification
and
all
of
our
sros
that
come
through.
This
training
are
hanging
their
head
higher,
knowing
that
they're
finally
looked
at
as
a
specialty
unit,
and
I
can't
think
of
another
unit
in
a
police
department.
That's
more
specialty
than
sro.
E
One
thing
that
kcss
has
done
that
we're
very
proud
of
along
with
our
sro
training
is
we
know
a
lot
of
sros
come
out.
They
may
have
come
from
the
road.
They
go
through
our
mandated
training,
but
they
may
need,
as
you
would
say,
field
training
in
being
a
sro
and
if
there's
no
one
there
to
do
it.
Kentucky
center
for
school
safety
has
started
a
mentoring
program
through
the
state.
So
if
you've
got
an
sro,
that's
been
around
for
12
years
and
then
you've
got
a
brand
new
one.
We
can
connect
those
folks.
E
So
if
there's
questions
they
can
talk
on
the
phone
or
text
or
actually
visit
each
other
schools
and
that's
been
happening
with
some
of
the
new
sros
that
have
graduated
now.
I
knew
I
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time,
so
I
went
through
that
without
taking
a
breath.
I
hope
that
I
gave
you
a
little
bit
information
of
what's
going
on.
I
can
tell
you
that
schools
are
in
a
good
spot.
E
Looking
by
our
report,
by
going
back
into
our
assessments,
we're
not
finding
big
issues,
we're
finding
issues
that
can
be
fixed
very
easily
and
we'll
be
back
to
see
you
to
do
another
compliance
check.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
them
right
now,.
A
Marcia
wilcox.
Thank
you.
So
much
just
a
couple
of
comments
leading
to
a
question.
I
think
we've
got
a
couple.
Other
members
may
have
questions
as
well.
You
mentioned
the
the
kind
of
the
notoriety
and
also
some
of
the
the
accolades
you
all
are
receiving,
and
I
don't
think
you're
also,
maybe
given
that
enough
of
what
I'm
hearing
of
the
work
you're
doing
as
well
as
john
acres
and
correct
me.
A
If
I'm
wrong
that
you've
had
other
states
contact
you
all
about
the
legislation
about
the
work
you're
doing,
maybe
also
from
an
international
perspective.
So
you
don't
have
to
get
into
the
details.
But
but
please
know
that
the
the
work
you
all
are
doing
is
very
much
being
talked
about
across
the
united
states.
A
You
you
are,
you
are
very
welcome,
you're,
very
kind,
because
you're
very
humble
of
the
work
that
you
and
others
are
doing.
My
also
comment
will
be
for
this
budget
session,
as
you
are
aware
of
with
the
the
senate
bill.
1
that
we
did
for
sros
for
mental
health
professionals
is
as
funds
become
available.
A
This
is
an
an
appropriation
committee
by
any
means.
There
are
members
up
here
that
sit
on
appropriations
and
revenue
and
will
have
a
lot
of
voice
at
the
table,
and
I
hope
they
hear
the
words
that
it's
time
to
fully
fund
senate
bill
1
as
it
relates
to
sros
and
as
it
relates
to
more
mental
health
professionals,
to
help
our
students
across
the
commonwealth.
A
So
just
a
comment,
my
question
to
you,
one
of
the
things
when
we
worked
on
the
bill
that
had
both
sides
kind
of
uneasy
at
times
was
about
locking
of
the
doors.
Can
you
comment
a
little
bit
more
about
where
that's
at
with
your
inspections
and
your
assessments
of
schools?
Is
that
an
issue
or
how
has
that
kind
of
been
maybe
resolved?.
E
So
actually
we're
not
seeing
much
of
the
issue
at
all.
It's
become
normal.
The
kids
are
our
biggest
advocate.
For
that
you
know.
If
the
doors
open,
we
walk
into
schools
and
the
doors
open
and
the
kid
will
say:
hey
the
door's,
open
and
they'll
shut
the
door
and
we've
had
several
incidents
over
the
past
year
or
two
years,
where
those
closed
doors
kept
people
from
getting
into
buildings,
because
there
was
not
a
time
to
call
a
lockdown,
but
those
doors
were
already
closed.
E
There
was
a
school
district
that
we
we
got
information
from
a
couple
months
ago,
where
there
was
a
lockdown
situation
in
the
building
and
when
law
enforcement
went
in
to
clear
the
building,
they
could
not
tell
who
was
in
what
room
or
if
there
was
any
kids
in
the
building,
and
that
comes
from
directly
having
that
door,
clock
being
able
to
close
that
window,
blind,
getting
a
blind
corner
being
quiet.
That's
exactly
what
we're
looking
for
when
we're
having
situations,
and
so
I
think
people
are
embracing
it.
E
It
takes
that
good
leadership
to
go
around
and
say
these
doors
need
to
be
locked
and-
and
that's
what's
happening,
so
we're
really
not
seeing.
We
may
find
one
or
two
doors,
but
we're
not
finding
the
whole
school
open.
F
Thank
you
chairman.
My
my
questions.
Really
quick
chairman
had
a
perfect
segue,
so
it
deals
with
funding
we're
in
the
middle
of
budget
negotiations.
Now
you've
had
time
to
look
at
everything.
You've
had
a
couple
years
to
boots
on
put
boots
on
the
ground
and
look:
do
you
know
what
is
that
number
to
fully
fund
the
security
and
the
mental
health?
Do
you
do
you
have
any
idea
of
what
that
I.
E
E
That's
my
problem
writing
stuff
down.
I
should
just
note
right
out
of
my
head.
We
have
416
campuses
out
of
eight
one
thousand
eighty
four,
so
we're
right
out
six
hundred
campuses
that
still
need
to
be
covered
by
police
officers,
mental
health,
professional,
wise
we're
at
a
ratio
of
one
to
three
twenty
eight.
We
have
over
ninety
school
districts
that
have
a
ratio
of
one
to
two
fifty,
so
that
would
leave
about
another
80
school
districts.
E
E
E
There
is
a
lot
of
conversation
between
sros
and
your
mental
health
professionals,
I'm
married
to
a
counselor
and
a
lot
of
times
those
counselors
and
those
teachers
and
and
folks
only
see
those
kids
in
school.
Your
law
enforcement
gets
to
see
those
folks
outside
of
school
and
have
a
very,
very
good
idea
of
what's
going
on
at
home
what
their
home
life
is.
E
As
a
school
resource
officer,
I
put
several
teachers
into
my
cruiser
and
just
drove
to
show
them
where
someone
lived
and
then
go.
This
is
kind
of
why
someone
may
act
out.
They
may
not
be
getting
enough
sleep
at
night,
because
this
is
where
they
live.
So
I
think,
there's
a
definitely
a
correlation
of
working
together
with
our
mental
health
professionals
of
the
way
our
officers
perceive
and
also
our
mental
health
mental
health
professionals
perceive
what's
going
on
in
school.
E
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
marshall
wilcox.
I
don't
think
this
commonwealth
could
have
chosen
a
better
person
to
be
in
the
position
that
you're
in
and
thank
you
for
always
being
so
receptive
for
any
needs
that
we
have.
My
question
is
this:
there
was
a
lot
of
hesitancy
with
law
enforcement
being
in
the
schools,
and
we've
seen
this
for
years
are:
are
we
starting
to
get
past?
That
is
that
is
that
pretty
much
a
thing
of
the
past
at
this
point.
E
Yes,
we've
got
several
school
districts,
I
think,
would
be
very
disappointed
if
they
lost
their
sros
when
an
sro
and
a
good
sro
comes
into
a
school
building,
they
become
a
part
of
that
school,
and
now
that
we
have
a
lot
of
training
for
our
sros
and
we
have
training,
we
can't
forget
our
our
administrators
need
that
training
of
now
you've
got
a
police
officer
in
the
room.
E
How
do
you
utilize
them
and
kcss
does
a
fantastic
job
of
mentoring,
those
folks
and
so
now
that
everybody's
talking
and
everybody
realizes
what
they're
there
for
it's
really
working
out,
and
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
folks
that
don't
want
to
have
sros
in
their
building
across
the
state
because
it
is
working
out
very
well
for
them,
and
now
I
think
that
the
120
hours
worth
of
training
is
really
calming
the
nerves
of
the
officers
that
are
going
in
because
they
understand
what
school
is
they
understand.
What
is
is
needed
in
those
schools?
E
So
yes,
I
think
that
across
the
state,
it's
it's
working
very
well,
very
good.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
have
three
bills
for
consideration
today,
however,
one
of
those
bills
senate
bill
120
will
be
passed
over
today
by
the
bill.
Sponsor
who
made
the
request
I'm
going
to
move
to
senate
bill
102
actually
is
a
great
segue
from
what
we
just
heard
as
it
relates
to
mental
health
and
senate
bill.
102
is
my
bill.
I
am
the
sponsor
of
that
and
it's
an
act
relating
to
mental
health
providers
in
the
school
senate
bill
102..
A
A
In
addition,
where
previously
we
had
in
senate
bill
8
school
counselors
as
the
only
ones
who
were
listed,
the
annual
superintendent
report
that
would
go
to
kde
shall
now
include
the
number
position,
duties
and
certification
of
all
mental
health
service
providers.
The
kentucky
department
of
education
will
shall
annually
compile
an
ongoing
list
of
mental
health
service
providers
by
district
and
provide
a
report
to
the
interim
joint
committee
on
education
once
again,
just
a
just
a
clean
up
language,
and
instead
of
just
being
school
counselors
now
adding
all
defined
mental
health
service
providers.
A
H
H
A
H
So
is
there
a
difference
or
is
there
a
reason
why
the
definition
of
school
counselor
still
exist,
then
on
page
one.
A
F
H
A
A
A
Search
mills
before
we
get
started
there
is
a
proposed
committee
sub
that
can
be
found
in
members
packets.
Is
it
okay
at
this
time
if
we
take
a
motion
to
adopt
the
sub?
Yes,.
J
A
We
have
a
motion
and
we
do
have
a
second
on
the
sub.
Is
there
any
questions
see
now
and
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
the
sub?
Please
just
by
saying
aye.
All
those
opposed
motion
carries
search
mills
if
you
would
just
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
First
welcome
the
education
committee
you're
welcome
to
receive.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
wise,
I'm
robbie
mills,
I'm
state
senator
from
the
4th
district
in
northwest
kentucky
senator.
Thank
you
senator
wise
and
committee
members.
I
have
a
few
prepared
remarks
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
questions
as
well.
Krs
156.070
addresses
general
powers
and
duties
of
the
state
board
of
education
and
specifically
addresses
and
directs
quote
unquote
an
agency
to
manage
interscholastic
athletics
in
common
schools,
which
we
all
know
as
the
kentucky
high
school
athletic
association
or
khsaa.
J
This
section
directs
khsa
in
sports
to
offer
membership
of
their
board
ages
of
participation,
home
school
athletes
and
medical
exams
required
within
this
section
of
the
statute
is
where
senate
bill
83
suggests.
We
address
in
a
very
simple
plainly
laid
out
fashion
how
the
kentucky
khsaa
shall
handle
the
subject
of
biological
males,
properly
known
as
transgender
female
athletes.
J
This
statute
change
clearly
addresses
the
flaw
in
the
current
regulation
that
surgical
changes
in
hormonal
therapy
of
any
length
of
time
reduces
the
physical
advantage
that
a
biological
male
has
over
a
biological.
Female
boys
have
athletic
advantages
even
before
puberty
in
cardiovascular
endurance,
muscular
strength,
muscular
endurance,
speed,
agility
and
power
tests.
J
An
australian
study
shows
that
a
nine-year-old
male
was
faster
by
shorts
on
short
sprints
by
9.8
percent.
In
a
mile
run,
he
was
faster
by
16.6
percent.
He
could
broad
jump.
9.5
percent
further
do
33
percent
more
push-ups
and
had
13.8
percent
stronger
grip.
Male
athletes
still
have
advantages
even
after
testosterone
suppression.
J
The
evidence
shows
that
hormone
therapy
in
males
after
puberty
does
not
substantially
eliminate
the
male
athletic
advantage.
Men
generally
have
a
sixty
percent,
greater
grip
strength
and
ninety
percent
greater
arm
strength
than
women
do.
After
two
years
of
testosterone,
suppression,
men
experienced
only
a
nine
percent
decrease
in
their
grip
strength
and
a
33
reduction
in
arm
strength.
J
These
results
are
demonstrated
across
the
spectrum
of
athletic
tests
that
were
made
in
leg,
strength,
push-ups
running
speed
and
muscle
mass
two
recent
two
recent
studies
of
real
biological
males
competing
as
females
show
the
true
physiological
advantage.
Even
after
hormone
therapy
cc,
telfar
failed
to
make
the
2016-2017
ncaa
national
championships
in
two
different
hurdle
events
as
a
male
in
2019
when
racing
as
a
female
and
taking
testosterone
suppression
therapy
telfar
was
the
national
champion
in
the
400
meter
hurdle
event
and
came
in
third
in
in
the
110
meter
hurdle
event.
J
He
rated
462nd
in
the
nation
at
that
point
in
the
100
and
200
freestyle
event
recently
competing
as
a
female.
His
rating
is
now
number
one
in
the
nation.
J
J
Mr
chairman,
I've
been
asked
by
several
constituents
and
several
legislators
to
address
this
issue.
That's
before
us
today.
While
I
do
not
have
this
specific
issue
occurring
in
my
district,
there
are
parents
of
female
athletes
that
are
concerned
about
this
happening
in
our
state.
Youth
sports
are
huge
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
J
J
A
lot
of
time
and
effort
is
put
into
achieving
a
certain
level
of
mastery
in
a
sport,
and
it
would
be
crushing
for
a
young
lady
to
train
her
whole
career
to
have
it
end
up
competing
against
a
biological
male
in
the
state
tournament
or
state
finals.
This
occurred
in
massachusetts
recently
to
selena
sol.
She
missed
qualifying
in
the
state
55-meter
final
and
an
opportunity
to
qualify
for
the
state
championship
by
one
sport
in
2019
season.
J
Two
of
the
spots
ahead
of
her
were
taken
by
biological
males.
As
legislators,
we
go
to
conferences
every
year
and
learn
about
trends
and
how
we
can
address
issues
that
are
headed
our
state's
way.
We
are
encouraged
to
think
ahead
based
on
other
states
experiences
senate
bill.
83
is
thinking
ahead,
so
you
or
I
do
not
have
a
salinas
soul
in
our
district,
a
young
lady
who
loses
an
opportunity
to
compete
in
the
sport
that
she
loves.
J
Mr
chairman.
In
summary,
the
two
sentences
that
are
being
added
to
krs
156.070,
in
my
opinion,
clearly
direct
khsaa
in
the
area
of
biological
males
competing
as
females,
and
I
would
ask
for
your
approval
of
this
bill
and
send
it
on
to
the
senate
floor
for
a
vote.
Mr
chairman,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or,
if
you'd
like
to
wait
for
questions
at
the
end,
I
can.
I
can
do
that.
Senator.
A
Mills,
thank
you
for
your
testimony
members.
Here's
what
I'm
going
to
ask
for
questions
directly
related
right
now
to
senator
mills
for
those
who
wish
to
ask.
We
do
have
people
that
have
signed
up.
We
have
about
45
minutes
to
be
out
of
this
room.
I
will
ask
right
now
members
that
wish
to
ask
directly
if
senator
mills
on
the
bill,
I
will
allow
this
time
and
then
for
testimony
afterwards.
Senator
thomas
you're
signed
up.
C
Famous
chair
center
mills:
are
you
aware
of
any
issues
that
have
come
before
the
kentucky
high
school
athletic
association
now
that
that
have
challenged
their
regulation
or
issues
like
you
talked
about
in
massachusetts?
I'm
not
aware
of
any
problems
that
occurred
here
in
kentucky
with
regard
to
transgender
athletes
of
what
whatever
sex
competing
competing
in
those
those
their
events.
Are
you
aware
of
any
problems
that
we've
encountered.
J
C
J
Not
yeah,
I
am
not,
and
that's
what
I
touched
on
in
my
testimony
that
you
know
we
in
the
legislature.
We
are
kind
of
you
know,
encouraged
to
look
and
and
look
forward
before
thinking
on
on
issues.
I
believe
this
is
a
forward
issue
looking
forward
in
this
issue.
I
believe
there
there
are
openings
to
where
a
biological
male
could
be
competing
as
a
female
in
their
junior
and
senior
year
in
high
school
after
they
meet
the
qualifications
that
are
in
the
regulations
currently.
J
So
that's
why
I
brought
the
you
know
a
couple
of
sentences
that
kind
of
clarify
where
the
legislature
and
khsaa
are
at
on
that
on
this
issue.
I
think
it's
needed.
I
I
do
think
that
it's
coming
yes,
sir.
A
K
Does
this
bill
preclude
a
person
who
is
identified
as
female
at
birth,
but
goes
through
the
hormonal
treatments
identifies
as
male
etc
or
competing
as
a
male.
J
Currently,
khsaa
allows
that
to
occur.
I
believe
you've
seen
females
competing
in
male
sports
in
in
football
baseball.
I
think
it
they
occur.
They
allow
that
to
occur
as
it
is,
so
it
does
not
preclude
that
from
happening.
J
Basically
we're
looking
at
senator
neal
we're
looking
at
the
situation
because
of
the
biological
advantage
that
males
have
over
females
and
that
that
is
what
specifically
the
concern
is
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
this
time
I'm
gonna
allow
testimony.
We
have
one
that
has
signed
up
pro
and
then
multiple
for
khan.
I'm
gonna
allow
the
one
that's
the
pro
if
he
would
make
his
way,
and
I
think
it's
david
wells
if
he
would
make
his
way
to
the
testimony
table
from
the
family
foundation.
After
that,
I
will
go
on
order
of
those
that
are
opposing
the
bill.
A
L
Yes,
sir,
good
morning,
chairman
wise
and
members
of
the
committee,
david
walls
with
executive
director
of
the
family
foundation,
a
non-profit
organization
that
stands
for
kentucky
families
and
the
biblical
values
that
make
them
strong.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
such
an
important
issue.
Women
deserve
to
compete
on
a
level
playing
field,
allowing
males
to
compete
in
women's
sports,
destroys
fair
competition
and
women's
athletic
opportunities.
L
Unfortunately,
across
the
nation
we
see
more
and
more
instances
where
males
have
taken
away
championships,
records
and
countless
athletic
opportunities
from
female
athletes.
That's
why
we
are
so
thankful
for
senator
mills
and
his
faithful
leadership
for
multiple
legislative
sessions
on
the
save
women's
sports
act.
We
support
senate
bill
83's
common
sense
protections
for
girls
in
k-12,
but
we
do
also
believe
that
to
fully
protect
kentucky's
girls,
we
must
also
protect
college
athletes,
while
protecting
any
of
kentucky's.
L
The
numerous
advantages
that
males
have
over
female
athletes
are
even
more
prominent
by
college,
where
margins
become
tighter,
the
competitive
edge
can
be
a
deciding
factor,
and
the
consequences
of
those
advantages
are
far
greater
titles.
Professional
athletic
opportunities
and
limited
roster
spots
are
all
on
the
line.
As
was
mentioned,
college
athlete
leah
thomas
from
the
university
of
pennsylvania,
is
proof
of
what
is
at
stake
and
of
the
importance
in
also
protecting
fair
competition
among
college
athletes.
L
By
switching
to
the
women's
team,
thomas
has
set
program
records
and,
as
was
mentioned
already
by
senator,
mills
has
moved
up
in
rankings
to
number
one
as
female
and
I'll
also
mention
another
important
issue
after
the
ncaa's
recent
decision
on
this
issue,
rather
than
standing
by
female
athletes
by
adopting
a
policy
that
ensures
fairness,
the
ncaa
punted
to
a
patchwork
of
national
and
international
organizations,
some
of
which
allow
men
to
compete
on
women's
teams
with
no
protections
or
no
preconditions
and
others
which
have
no
policy
at
all.
L
It
is
urgent
for
this
body
to
set
a
clear,
fair
and
scientifically
based
policy
to
guide
schools
throughout
the
state
and
to
guarantee
equal
opportunity
for
our
daughters
and
granddaughters.
This
unfairness,
particularly
at
the
college
level,
is
what
has
energized
so
many
folks
in
kentucky
and
across
the
nation
to
take
action
on
this
issue.
South
dakota,
governor
christie,
gnome
attempted
to
exclude
college
athletes
from
protections
last
year,
but
just
a
week
or
two
weeks
ago,
has
now
signed
a
bill
that
includes
female
college
athletes.
L
Let's
ensure
that
kentucky
female
athletes,
kindergarten
through
college,
have
a
level
playing
field
to
compete
and
win
in
closing
in
sports.
Biology
is
what
matters
when
we
ignore
science
and
biological
realities.
Women
pay
the
price
allowing
males
to
complete
in
girls.
Sports
reverses
nearly
50
years
of
advances
for
women,
and
that
is
neither
fair
nor
equal.
We
support
moving
forward
on
senate
bill
83
and
we
look
forward
to
working
together
to
ensure
college
athletes
are
protected
as
well.
L
C
I
have
a
question,
sir.
Mr
wallace.
I
like
to
think
that
that
I
too
am
a
man
who
cherishes
families
and
believes
in
biblical
values
sure
so
I
my
question
to
you
is
the
same
one
that
that
I
had
of
my
colleagues
and
her
males,
I'm
not
aware
of
anyone.
C
Who's
challenged
the
kentucky
high
school,
athletic
association
regulations
and
and
just
a
couple
years
ago
I
was
at
a
a
a
program
investigations
committee
where,
where
the
commissioner
came
forward
and
talked
about
how
proud
he
was
of
this
policy,
you've
talked
a
lot
about
college
athletics.
But
here
in
kentucky,
are
you
aware
of
anyone,
who's
challenged
the
khs
double
a
regulations
or
any
complaints
about
how
that
regulation
is
unfair.
With
regard
to
scholastic
sports
here
in
kentucky.
L
C
L
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
realized.
I
may
have
got
my
question
with
the
wrong
speaker
at
the
table,
but
perhaps
you
or
somebody
may
know
the
answer:
how
are
the
traveling
teams
and
other
non-high
school
athletics
regulated?
Does
high
school
athletics
association
have
anything
to
do
with?
Let's
say
our
middle
school
teams
or
anything
there's.
A
H
But
the
travel
teams
now
I
was
going
to
say,
because
I've
had
multiple
constituent
complaints
over
the
past
year
or
two
about
well,
my
daughter's
getting
ready
to
go
out
on
the
field
or
whatever,
and
I'm
really
worried
because
there's
a
team
from
out
of
state
coming
in
to
play
them
and
they
allow
all
these
boys
or
whatever,
on
this
team-
and
you
know
it's
just
been
a
really
really
emotional
situation
for
these
parents
and
grandparents
thinking
their
kids
are
going
to
feel
bad
about
themselves
because
they're
not
winning
whenever
they
have
an
out-of-state
team
that
allows
these
people.
H
So
I
feel
like
if
we're
talking
about
the
and-
and
we
mentioned
the
ncaa
here,
if
we're
talking
about
patchworks,
you
know
when
we're
going
to
have
you
know
teams
coming
in
to
play
us
we're
our
constituents
are
experienced
experiencing
this
issue,
whether
or
not
it's
a
kentucky-based
athlete
as
of
right
now,
and
if
we
shore
this
up
in
kentucky,
you
know,
then
that's
going
to
be
a
little
different
mark
on
the
world
on
okay,
you
need
to
understand
what
we're
doing
in
kentucky.
H
It'll
it'll
send
a
message
to
other
teams
that
are
competing
with
our
girls
and
I
hope
that
that
will
enhance
our
opportunities
for
our
girls.
Thank
you.
A
M
Yes,
senator
james
craig
jefferson
county
board
of
education.
I
know
your
time
is
precious
this
morning.
Senator
chairman
and
I'll,
be
brief.
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
schools
in
the
district
that
I
represent
and
on
behalf
of
the
students
who
attend
those
schools.
M
The
consequence
of
this
bill
is
going
to
harm
those
students,
sense
of
belonging
in
their
buildings,
and
it
is
going
to
adversely
affect
their
ability
to
achieve
as
students
I'm
passionate
about
student
achievement
in
jefferson
county.
I'm
sure
you
are
all
passionate
about
student
achievement
for
all
students
throughout
the
state
of
kentucky.
M
I
would
urge
you
to
vote
against
this
bill
today
to
ensure
that
we
have
that
tool
available
to
us
to
ensure
that
all
students,
transgender
or
not
have
the
ability
to
succeed
in
their
schools.
There
are
students
who
attend
schools
in
my
district
who
are
signed
up
to
speak,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
listen
to
their
testimony
this
morning
and
that
you
will
listen
to
the
way
that
this
bill
is
going
to
harm
their
ability
to
achieve
in
their
schools.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Senator.
N
But
I
don't
see
there's
anything
in
this
bill
that
excludes
any
children
from
playing
a
a
sport
just
because
they
make
the
transition
to
female
doesn't
exclude
them
from
continuing
to
compete
at
the
boys
level.
So
how
can
you
say
they're
going
to
be
denied
an
opportunity
when
in
fact,
they're
not
going
to
be
denied
an
opportunity
they
still
will
be
able
to
compete?
They
can
still
participate
in
the
in
the
the
norms
of
teamwork
and
self-discipline
things
of
that
nature.
N
You
know
unless
you're
looking
at
something
at
the
professional
level
and
we
have
a
very
small
percentage
of
our
children
that
have
their
capabilities
again.
If
we're
promoting
teamwork,
discipline
things
of
that
nature,
you
can
do
that
regardless.
So
I
just
don't
think
that
you're
making
a
fair
statement
there.
So
are
we
truly
discriminating.
M
M
M
It's
going
to
be
harmful
for
that
individual
student.
The
practical
effect
is
to
put
that
decision
on
a
14
15
or
16
year
old
student
undergoing
one
of
the
most
significant
things
in
their
life,
their
transition
and
asking
them
to
participate
in
a
sport
as
a
gender
that
they
do
not
identify
with
practically
means
that
they
will
not.
N
M
M
N
M
N
G
And
I
I
apologize,
would
you
say
that
playing
on
co-ed
teams
is
harmful.
M
G
G
It's
very
simple:
coed
has
been
acceptable
throughout
generations.
We
do
that.
That's
part
of
society.
We
do
sports
in
that
manner.
So
I
guess
I
don't
understand
if,
if
the
male
student
wishes
to
identify
as
a
female,
a
transgendered
transgendered
student
playing
on
the
male
team
is
nothing
more
than
a
co-ed
team.
How
can
that
be
harmful
to
that
person?.
M
A
Thank
you
to
move
along,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
following
two
to
come
to
the
table:
jackie
mcgranahan
chris
hartman.
If
those
two
would
make
their
way
to
the
table,
please,
as
we
move
through
here,
reminder
again
25
minutes
left
with
the
committee.
If
you
would
please
identify
yourselves
to
the
record,
please
proceed.
O
O
O
O
There
are
real
issues
with
gender
parity
in
sports
and
when
it
comes
to
funding
resources,
pay
equity
and
more.
Promoting
baseless
fears
about
trans
athletes
does
nothing
to
address
these
problems
by
singling
out
transgender
women
and
girls
and
enacting
a
sweeping
ban
on
participation
in
athletics
senate
bill
83
violates
both
the
united
states
constitution
and
title
ix
of
the
civil
rights
act.
O
Ultimately,
this
bill
violates
the
united
states
constitution
and
federal
civil
rights
law
puts
kentucky
at
risk
of
potentially
losing
money
in
federal
funding.
It
harms
transgender
youth
and
all
to
solve
a
problem
that
plainly
does
not
exist.
Transgender
students
already
live
and
go
to
school
in
kentucky
they
play
sports.
They
enjoy
time
with
their
friends.
They
deserve
a
chance
to
succeed
and
thrive
like
every
other
student.
For
these
reasons,
we
urge
you
to
vote.
No.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
P
P
P
Second,
we
believe
that
all
kids
deserve
to
grow
up
healthy,
safe
and
supported
in
their
communities,
and
that
this
too
includes
transgender
kids,
like
all
kids,
transgender
kids
simply
want
to
go
to
school
play
with
their
friends
and
feel
included
when
we
are
talking
about
sports.
Every
child
wants
the
same
things
to
play
with
their
friends,
get
a
good
education
and
be
happy
and
healthy,
and
every
child
should
have
that
opportunity
to
play
with
their
friends
in
sports
that
help
them
stay,
active
and
learn
about
teamwork,
discipline
and
sportsmanship,
including
transgender
kids.
P
The
truth
is,
there
are
very
few
transgender
kids
who
play
sports
beyond
middle
school
and
they
play
sports
for
the
same
reason
as
every
other
kid
to
do
something
they
love
and
spend
invaluable
memory,
making
time
with
their
friends
that
will
last
their
whole
lives
in
the
rare
instance
that
a
transgender
child
goes
on
to
play.
Sports
in
high
school
or
beyond.
Sports
associations
already
have
policies
in
place
to
ensure
a
level
playing
field.
P
Those
policies
deserve
to
be
revisited
from
time
to
time
to
ensure
that
they
are
fair
and
inclusive
and
reflect
the
best
science.
But
we
do
believe
that
that
work
is
best
left
to
the
experts
in
each
sport
and
medical
professionals.
But
let
me
be
very
clear
here,
as
I
shared
in
my
email
last
night,
the
current
kentucky
high
school
activities,
association
policy,
which
I
sent
you
that
is
in
place
today,
does
not
allow
for
transgender
girls
to
participate
on
high
school
girls
sports
teams
in
kentucky.
P
So
if
your
goal
today
is
to
keep
transgender
girls
from
playing
girls
sports
in
high
school
in
kentucky,
you
can
go
home
without
voting
on
this
bill
and
you've
still
accomplished
your
goal.
But
if
you
do
pass
this
bill,
the
people
that
you
will
harm
are
our
youngest
and
our
most
vulnerable,
transgender
kids
middle
schoolers,
who
do
not
deserve
this
level
of
unfair
scrutiny
and
debate
over
whether
or
not
they
should
be
able
to
play
with
their
friends
and
be
included
in
school
life.
P
A
F
You
mentioned
that
a
law,
if
like
this
if
passed,
would
violate
title
ix,
and
so
that
would
be
a
federal
case
do
do
you
have
any
federal
case
law
citations
to
present.
That
would
has
that
been
decided
at
the
federal
level
that
that
this
would
violate
title
ix.
O
P
F
Right
temporarily
is
a
lot
a
lot
different
than
a
than
a
finding,
so
that
was
my
only
question.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
H
A
Hello,
can
you
hear
me
green
button?
There
should
pop
up
there's
a
middle
button
to
push.
Q
Hello,
I
am
fisher
wells,
hello,
chairman
weiss,
I'm
fisher
wells
and
I
would
like
to
tell
you
my
experience
on
the
westport
girls
field
hockey
team
before
well
after
covid,
and
we
were
just
getting
back
in
the
girls
field.
Hockey
team
barely
existed.
It
was
just
a
thing
that
westport
had
that
nobody
joined
because
everybody
wanted
to
play
like
volleyball
or
something.
But
then
three
people
signed
up.
Q
One
of
them
was
me
and
I
tried
my
very
hardest
to
get
the
minimum
amount
of
people
for
the
team
and
we
got
that
and
on
our
first
game
I
got
news
that
I
couldn't
play,
and
so
I
didn't
play.
I
sat
at
home
watching
television
and
then
I
got
so
many
texts
from
my
friends
supporting
me
and
then
yeah.
I
got
these
wonderful
pictures.
Q
We
tied
on
that
game,
barely
by
the
way,
which
was
fun
but
later
it
was
resolved,
and
then
I
started
to
find
out
how
disgusting
the
reason
I
couldn't
play
was-
and
I
have
made
a
ton
of
very
nice
friends
on
this
team
and
we've
had
a
fun
time
in
one
game.
The
ball
rolled
up,
one
of
my
teammates
skirts,
her
face
described
it
all.
Q
It
was
very
funny-
and
I
just
have
made
so
many
friends
and
me
and
my
friends
have
started
playing
on
a
league
at
the
ymca,
and
that
has
been
extremely
fun.
We
even
won
our
second
game.
Q
We've
lost
a
lot
of
games,
but
that
was
because
we
were
mostly
new
to
the
sport
and
we
were
all
getting
invested
in
this
really
awesome
sport.
That
is
just
really
fun.
It
taught
us
how
to
be
sportsmanlike
and
very
calm
about
things.
Q
I
really
don't
want
this
bill
to
pass,
because
that
means
I
can't
play,
and
it
will
be
extremely
detrimental
to
my
mental
health
as
well,
because
I
know
that
sports
is
a
great
way
for
me
to
cope
with
things
like
it's
just
a
good
way
for
me
to
cope
with
things,
and
it's
why
I
recovered
so
very
quickly
from
not
being
able
to
play
because
later,
like
a
few
days
later,
I
found
out,
I
could
play
and
I
was
able
to
play
and
have
fun
and
like
every
like.
Q
My
coach
was
crying
like
she
was
like.
Oh
my
gosh
fisher-
I
just
it's
disgusting
that
this
bill
is
even
suggested.
It's
terrible
and
I've
worked
really
hard
and
practiced
so
many
hours.
I
hope
you
don't
vote
on
this
bill
and
I
hope
I
can
play
in
eighth
grade.
Thank
you.
R
Is,
but
maybe
it's
not
thank
you
am
I
okay?
Okay,
thank
you
ma'am,
so
chairman,
wise
and
committee
members,
thank
you
for
your
time
to
allow
our
family
to
testify
today
this
bill
directly,
as
you
heard,
impacts
our
family
and
especially
our
daughter
fisher.
R
We
do
understand
that
this
is
a
complicated
issue,
especially
if
you
don't
know
someone
who
is
transgender.
I'm
gonna
go
off
script
here
for
a
minute
and
tell
you
that
you
probably
do
know
someone
who
is
transgender
and
who
was
hurt
by
the
attitudes
that
society
puts
in
front
of
them
as
the
parents
of
a
transgender
child.
We
had
a
lot
to
learn
ourselves
and
we
had
to
talk
with
other
people
and
other
parents
of
transgender
children.
R
She's
benefitted
in
all
the
ways.
Other
kids
benefit
from
playing
sports
she's
formed
invaluable
friendships,
learned
how
to
work
on
a
team
and
follow
the
coach's
lead
she's
put
in
the
hard
work
that
builds
character
for
every
kid
in
sports,
and
I
will
say
that
her
teammates,
the
teams
that
play
against
her
and
her
coach,
her
athletic
director,
the
senior
director
in
our
county-
and
I
hear
now
our
superintendent
are
behind
her.
I
want
to
thank
those
people.
S
Good
morning
my
name
is
brian
wells
and
I'm
fisher's
father.
We
just
want
to
see
our
daughter
be
able
to
play
the
sport
that
she
loves
with
with
her
friends
that
she
loves
as
fisher's
testimony
attends.
She
was
instrumental
in
the
team
forming
and
she's
right.
They
never
had
more
than
one
extra
person,
so
they
were
often
out.
S
They
are
outnumbered
on
the
playing
field
and
because
of
all
the
work
that
she
put
in
to
to
make
the
team
happen,
she
was
so
driven.
It
was
really
a
touching
for
me
to
see
a
seventh
grader
driven
to
make
something
happen
at
their
school,
so
much
particularly
for
sports
and
of
course
it
was
heartbreaking
when
we
received
the
call
that
she
may
not
be
able
to
play.
S
S
I
think
when
people
debate
this-
and
we've
heard
this
here
today-
they're
very
focused
on
highly
competitive
college
sports,
and
this
also
affects
kids.
Kids
like
fisher,
who
just
want
to
play
sports
with
their
friends,
have
fun,
learn
to
work
together,
get
exercise
and
enjoy
the
game,
and,
as
my
wife
mentioned,
fisher's
contributions
to
the
team
were
not
measured
in
points
in
goals
made
or
goals
blocked.
S
Everyone
out
there
was
demonstrating
the
time
and
effort
that
they
put
in,
and
we
saw
that
she
contributed
fundamentally,
though,
and
most
critically
in
terms
of
her
sportsmanship,
in
terms
of
the
spirit
that
she
brought
to
the
team.
No
one
cheered
her
teammates
on
harder,
no
one
sheared
for
the
rare
goals
louder.
S
A
Thank
you
for
both
for
all
the
testimony
we
have
one
more
family,
that's
going
to
run
us
up
to
the
time
I
know
terrence
sullivan
has
got
signed
in
terrence.
I
think,
if
you're
in
the
audience,
you've
also
submitted
a
letter,
that's
in
the
folders
of
the
members,
so
just
want
members
to
note
that
that
testimony
he
may
be
given
is
also
in
your
folders.
A
I
Hello,
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
us
today.
My
name
is
ray
strobel,
and
this
is
my
daughter
cedar.
She
just
turned
eight
in
december.
She
loves
gymnastics
animals
collecting,
rocks
and
playing
ninja.
She
loves
playing
with
her
two
younger
siblings
ages.
Five
and
four.
She
started
a
rock
club
at
her
school
this
year.
She
also
loves
playing
soccer.
She
played
this
last
fall
in
a
co-ed
community
league
with
other
six
and
seven-year-olds
she
loved
being
outside,
getting
to
run,
learn
to
kick
and
dribble
and
especially
loved
it.
I
I
She
she
looked
like
middle
of
the
road,
if
not
one
of
the
the
smaller
kids,
she
really
loved
for
looked
forward
to
going
to
practices
and
games,
and
she
especially
looked
forward
to
playing
with
naomi
owen
and
nora,
and,
I
think,
actually
norris
scored
the
most
goals
on
the
team
because
she
had
played
longer
in
her
life
than
cedar.
I
We
love
our
school
and
we
love
our
school
district.
So
when
cedar
was
born,
we
thought
that
she
was
a
boy
when
she
was
two.
We
got
a
box
of
hand-me-down
clothes
that
happened
to
have
a
dress
in
it
and
it
became
her
favorite
article
of
clothing
that
she
wore
over
and
over
again
in
preschool.
Her
favorite
shirt
was
a
fuchsia,
sweet,
sequins,
sparkle
shirt,
and
I
remember
that
I
had
a
conversation
with
her
on
the
first
day
that
she
wanted
to
wear
it
to
preschool.
I
I
said
some
people
might
feel
uncomfortable,
seeing
a
boy
wearing
a
girl's
shirt
and
some
people
might
say
some
mean
things
to
you,
and
are
you
sure
that
you
want
to
wear
that
and
she
thought
about
it?
I
saw
her
little
wheels
turning
and
she
said
yes,
I
want
to
wear
it
in
kindergarten.
She
would
always
play
the
girl
in
imaginary
play,
and
so
when
she
was
six
in
the
first
grade,
she
told
us
that
she
wanted
to
be
called
a
girl.
I
I
It's
been
a
learning
journey
for
us
as
parents,
but
one
that
really
has
profound
benefits
so
far.
She
hasn't
done
much
with
school
sports.
That
starts
in
third
grade
next
year,
when
the
flyer
comes
home
and
she
says
that
she
wants
to
try
out.
I
want
her
to
be
able
to
she's
again
she's
small
for
her
age,
so
she
might
not
be
the
best
on
the
team,
but
she'll
be
good,
because
she
has
a
fighting
spirit.
I
She
loves
to
be
active
and
loves
to
do
what
her
friends
are
doing
and
if
she
wants
to
try
out
for
something
I
want
her
to
be
able
to
and
not
be
banned
because
of
who
she
is
and
to
address
one
of
the
questions
earlier.
I
just
asked
her
back
here
in
the
room.
I
said
hey
if
you
wanted
to
play
basketball
in
two
years.
If
you
wanted
to
play,
would
you
want
to
play
on
the
girls
team
or
the
boys
team
because
that's
how
they
have
it
in
school?
I
I
They
need
unconditional
love,
they
need
acceptance
for
who
they
are
and
they
need
support
from
their
family,
friends
and
community.
They
need
to
feel
that
they
belong
and
support
from
that
compute
community
includes
being
able
to
play
on
the
sports
stream
with
their
friends,
the
ones
that
they
feel
the
closest
to
cedar.
I
F
Hi
I'm
cedar
and
I'm
a
trans,
oh
hi,
I'm
cedar
and
I'm
a
transgender
girl.
I
really
like
playing
on
soccer.
I
really
like
playing
soccer
because
it
is
fun
to
hang
out
with
my
friends
also
I
like
gymnastics,
because
it
is
very
big
because
it
is
very
fun
to,
and
it
helps
me
stretch
out.
I
decided
to
talk
to
you
today
because
I
want
to
help
my
friends
play
on
sports
play
sports
on
girl
teams
playing
on
a
girl
on
a
girl's
team
should
be
our
right
as
a
girl,
not
just
my
right.
A
A
G
You
know
it's
obvious
that
the
the
issue
here
is
competition
and
the
issue
is:
is
fairness
to
those
upper
echelon
athletes
who
spend
much
of
their
life
in
an
endeavor
to
be
at
the
top
of
their
sport
only
to
be
knocked
out
by
a
transgendered
athlete,
and
to
me
that
that
seems
a
separate
issue
from
young
children
being
able
to
play
on
whichever
team
and-
and
I
don't-
I
don't
think
the
the
importance
of
the
sex
at
those
younger
ages
is
really
that
important.
That's
why
we
have
a
lot
of
co-ed
leagues.
G
It's
it's
about
the
lessons
you
learn
in
that
sport.
It's
really
not
about.
You,
know
the
dedication
to
be
the
very
best.
Always
it's
just
participation.
G
So
it's
difficult
to
balance
this,
but
I,
but
I
think
there
you
know
there
has
got
to
be
a
consensus
that
we've
got
to
be
fair
to
everyone
and
if
it's
a
female
athlete
who
is
who
is
at
the
top
of
her
sport,
let's
say
we
get
into
high
school
and
she
gets
knocked
down
by
a
transgendered
athlete.
That's
not
fair
and
no
one
can
say
that
is
fair,
but
not
allowing
a
younger
student
who
identifies
who
is
biologically
male
and
identifies
as
a
female
not
being
able
to
play
on
a
female
team.
G
I
you
know
I
struggle
with
that
also
because
it
it's
it's
about
the
lessons
learned,
it's
about
spending
time
with
your
friends
and
and
that's
what
those
levels
of
sports
are
about.
If
you
get
on
a
travel
team
or
something
of
that
nature,
where
it
is
much
more
competitive,
that's
different,
so
there
are
so
many
different
layers
of
this
issue
and-
and
you
all
have
to,
and
for
my
part
this
is
not
about
hate
for
any
kid,
and
it's
very
insulting
that
people
try
to
make
it
that
way.
G
It's
about
trying
to
be
fairness,
to
be
fair
to
all
of
our
kids.
There
is
no,
if,
if
a
young
person
decides
to
identify
as
a
different
sex,
that's
not
for
me
to
decide
that's!
That
means.
It
really
means
nothing
to
me.
That's
that's
who
they
want
to
be,
and
it's
not
for
me
to
judge
them
for
that.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
my
eye
to
carry
this
on,
but
a
lot
of
discussion
and
a
lot
of
layers
to
this,
but
understand
that
the
vote
is
not
out
of
any
effort
to
harm
anyone.
A
O
F
B
A
F
K
K
We
do
not
know
the
nuances
of
it
in
a
given
situation
and
the
fundamental
reason
for
them
to
participate
kids
to
participate
in
the
in
the
first
place,
I
think
were
explained,
explained
very
early
and
didn't
really
contrast
with
the
comments
in
my
learn
that
the
colleague
expressed
earlier.
So
for
those
reasons
I
vote
no.
H
A
H
Mr
chairman,
it's
fairly
obvious,
I'm
usually
one
of
if
not
the
only
female,
on
these
committees
and
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
realized
it
was
interesting
because
we've
been
talking
about
this
bill
and
I
didn't
really
know
about
science.
I
mean
I
know
about
science
generally,
but
I
didn't
know
specific
science.
Men
have
larger
lungs.
H
We
have
a
problem,
I
mean
I
already
everybody
keeps
saying
we
haven't
heard
any
complaints.
Well,
I've
heard
the
complaint,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
everybody
else
has
been,
or
maybe
we're
all
talking
about
two
different
things
here
I
may
be
confused,
but
I've
heard
complaints
in
our
state
and
obviously
we're
aware
of
news
stories
from
other
countries,
other
states
and
so
forth.
I'm
feeling
like
we
might
need
an
amendment
here,
though,
because
I'm
sorry
did.
I
register
my
yes
vote.
First.
F
H
I
feel
like
I'm
voting
yes,
but
I
feel
like
we
need
an
amendment
to
make
this
a
little
bit
more
comprehensive,
because
what
we
have
a
problem
with
a
young
child
has
been
playing
on
a
girl's
team
for
how
many
years,
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden
they
hit
high
school
or
college
or
whatever
and
all
of
a
sudden
boom.
They
gotta
get
all
new
teammates,
totally
different
echelon
things.
H
I
think
that
could
be
detrimental
as
well,
but
I
have
a
hard
time
with
the
rules
being
different
from
high
school
to
college,
to
young
kids
so
forth,
because
we
could
sit
here
and
talk
about
the
nuances,
but
I
just
think
that
you
need
to
have
a
vertical
alignment
with
these
programs.
So
I
think
we
need
to
get
this
not
just
khsaa
whatever
it
is.
We
need
to
make
sure
this
is
actually
inclusive.
H
C
Miss
chair
I'd
like
to
explain
my
no
vote.
Please
please
cast
your
vote.
Well,
I
like
to
split
like
to
explain
my
no
vote.
I
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
what
senator
harper
angel
and
senator
neal
said
about
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
this
problem
here,
because
in
all
do
in
all
due
respect.
The
khsa
has
not
received
any
complaints.
C
We've
not
had
any
calls
that
their
regulation
has
been
unfair,
but
you're
gonna
hear
me
say
this
a
lot
now
that
we're
in
the
heart
of
this
session,
because
we're
gonna
see
this
issue
played
out
in
other
pieces
of
legislation
over
and
over
again
about
problems
not
existing,
but
coming
before
us,
and
I'm
gonna
ask
the
question:
why
why?
Why
are
we
going
to
deal
with
issues
that
are
not
problems
in
this
state
or
no
not
do
not
exist?
C
What's
the
real
agenda
behind
that
or,
more
importantly,
what's
the
hidden
agenda
behind
that?
I'm
going
to
ask
those
questions
repeatedly
over
and
over
again
and
what's
the
real
agenda
behind
this
when
it's
not
a
problem,
I
think
we
have
to
come
to
grips
with
that.
You
know
we
talk
about
about
unfairness
and
people
are
worried
about
being
just
called
discriminatory,
but
let's
realize
what's
going
on
here.
C
You
know
if
you're,
transgender
and
you're
born
a
female,
but
now
you
want
to
play
in
a
male
sport,
somehow
that's
okay,
okay,
but
if
you're
transgender
and
you
were
born
a
male
9
one
playing
a
female
female
sport-
that's
not
okay
and
I
think
that's
what
the
courts
are
looking
at
now
is
that
sort
of
discriminatory
aspect
that
violates
what
we
call
the
protection
of
the
laws,
because
you
are
treating
people
differently
here
and
why
are
you
treating
people
differently
and
what's
the
agenda
behind
that?
Okay.
C
I
I
would
I
I
will
sum
it
up
by
saying
that
I
think
fairness
takes
mr
chair
that
people
should
be
treated
the
same
and
if,
if,
if
students
who
are
born
male
now
want
to
play
female
sports
and
they're
transgender,
I'm
okay
with
that,
I
have
no
problem
with
that
whatsoever,
and
so
that's
why
I
vote
no
on
this
legislation.
Thank
you.