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received
by
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deadline
were
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online
earlier
this
week
and
made
available
for
downloading
this
afternoon.
We
are
going
to
hear
from
representatives
of
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
county
jails
who
are
here
to
provide
an
update
regarding
virtual
hearing
technology
projects
in
Kentucky
courts
in
jails.
A
A
A
Or
if
we
can
have
the
presenters
come
onto
the
table
come
up
to
the
table?
We
have
Laura
Gibbons
looks
like
Elizabeth
Lucas
and
Jim
Daly
Campbell
County
jailer.
D
Chairman
Flannery,
welcome
and,
and
congratulations
and
we
appreciate
and
are
excited
about,
the
fact
that
you're
going
to
be
chairing
our
budget
review
subcommittee
for
justice
and
Judiciary
going
forward
to
my
left
is
Beth
Lucas
she's,
our
director
of
implementation
and
Technology
services,
and
then
to
my
right
is
Jim
Daly,
the
Campbell
County
jailer
and
I
want
to
take
a
minute
to
thank
Jim.
D
The
jailers
association
and
the
folks
that
are
here
today,
they've,
been
incredible
partners
with
us
on
this
I
also
want
to
make
sure
to
thank
specifically
this
committee
and
your
colleagues
in
the
House
and
Senate
for
what
is
the
largest
technology
investment.
This
General
Assembly
has
ever
made
in
Kentucky's
court
system
in
our
history.
D
It's
significant
we're
excited
about
the
progress,
we're
making
and
we're
excited
to
update
you
not
only
about
the
video
arraignment
and
video
conferencing
projects
today,
but
also
four
other
projects
that
you
have
funded
for
us,
some
of
it
through
federal
arpa
funds,
some
of
it
through
other
sources.
But
it's
it's
significant
and
I
really
have
to
thank
Beth
and
her
team
and
Scott
Mattingly.
Our
chief
technology
officer,
I
know
they
presented
on
this
last
fall
I'm
excited
because
we've
made
even
additional
progress
since
the
last
presentation.
D
Beth.
Thank
you-
and
you
mentioned
in
your
remarks-
Mr
chairman,
that
you've
appropriated
10.6
million
specifically
for
the
video
arraignment
and
video
conferencing
project.
We
have
Consolidated
this
project
because
they
are
so
closely
related
originally
as
appropriated.
They
were
separate
projects,
you'll
see
that
we
have
only
expended
720
000
roughly
to
date,
but
that's
because
we've
been
piloting
in
three
different
counties
with
three
different
jails:
to
make
sure
that
we
had
the
config
the
equipment
configuration
the
way
we
needed
it
to
be.
D
We
currently
have
another
2.3
million
obligated,
but
this
is
really
only
initially
for
the
first
few
courtrooms
that
we're
doing
I
want
to
assure
this
committee.
We
still
have
432
courtrooms
that
will
be
equipped
total
in
this
project,
so
we
anticipating
expending
all
of
these
funds,
definitely
by
the
end
of
2025,
hopefully
sooner
by
the
time
we
are
completely
completely
finished,
but
the
project
includes
a
number
of
different
costs
and
you'll
see
these
listed.
D
There
are
a
number
of
licenses
involved
in
this
product.
This
project
we've
got
Zoom
room
licenses,
our
cloudroom
connectors.
Those
are
the
licenses
for
the
jails
that
we
are
purchasing
through
our
portion
of
the
project.
We
have
implementation
costs
and
then
we
have
some
infrastructure
costs
as
well
that
are
included.
D
It's
a
multi-generalite
generational
multi-year
project.
If
we've
kind
of
tried
to
set
forth
here,
if
you
think
about
it
and
I,
know
Mr
chairman,
as
a
practicing
lawyer,
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
use
some
of
this
technology
and
really
for
the
first
time
you
used
what
we
were
able
to
Band-Aid
together
during
the
pandemic,
and
that
would
have
been
what
you
see
here
as
the
second
generation
remote
Court.
D
This
was
really
just
a
laptop
interface
that
our
judges
were
using
through
the
pandemic
and
certainly
while
adequate
for
our
needs,
and
we
were
able
to
transition
quickly
to
a
video
Court.
It
is
not
long-term
the
solution
that
you
have
funded
or
that
we'll
be
creating
the
third
generation
Hybrid
Court
and
the
fourth
generation.
These
two
different
projects
will
be
everything
that
all
courts
in
the
state
have.
They
will
be
one
of
these
two
solutions
by
the
way.
D
Don't
let
me
go
too
fast
if
you
want
to
ask
a
question,
but
the
goal
will
be
that
every
courtroom
in
the
state
has
one
of
these
two
solutions.
D
D
That
alone
is
almost
five
thousand
dollars,
whereas
you
contrast
that,
with
the
HDX,
the
full
system,
total
cost
is
approximately
72
thousand
dollars.
One
of
the
things
and
one
of
the
challenges
and
I
think
we're
excited
about
getting
this
technology
to
our
judges.
Many
of
them
have
tested
this,
but
the
majority
of
our
judges
haven't
seen
this
Hardware
yet
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that's
been
overwhelming
for
our
judges,
because
every
few
months
we've
been
changing
out
their
Hardware
testing
a
new
solution.
D
So
suddenly
they
have
benches
full
of
hardware
and
technology
that
they
don't
know
how
to
use
frankly-
and
it's
been
a
little
bit
overwhelming,
but
as
we've
begun
to
identify
clearly
the
systems
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
in
place.
We're
hopeful
we're
getting
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
our
judges
who
have
been
testing
this
type
IP
system,
because
it's
easy
because
they
literally
tap
the
device
one
time
and
they
will
be
immediately
connected
to
the
jail.
D
It's
separate,
they're,
not
toggling
from
their
laptop
that
they're
on
it's
a
completely
separate
device
and
the
hope
will
be
it's
much
easier
to
use.
Judge,
Blau
and
Campbell
County
has
been
using
the
HDX
device
if
that's
correct,
Beth,
with
a
Lenovo
bundle.
The
tap
solution
also
and
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
positive
reviews.
So
we're
excited.
That
is
the
solution
that
we'll
be
rolling
out
into
the
courtrooms.
As
I
mentioned
and
Beth
I
know,
Jim
we've
got
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
speak
to
this
slide
about
we
we've
tested
and
selected.
C
C
Thank
you,
the
Chandlers
have
tested
it.
We've
put
it
in
several
jails
throughout
the
state
and
I
would
drop
back
and
just
tell
you
that
I
appreciate
having
worked
with
Lori
and
AOC
because
it
it
was
critically
important
to
me.
I
have
a
couple
of
different
counties
that
I
hold
for,
and
it's
saved
us
in
the
various
fiscal
courts.
C
Tremendous
amount
of
money
just
on
not
having
to
ship
people
and
take
them
back
and
forth
for
court
every
day
in
Campbell,
County,
we've
done
online
court
for
years
and
years,
but
this
allows
us
to
do
it
Statewide.
Basically,
so
at
the
jailers
we've
tested,
we
looked
at
several
different
options
and
we
pretty
much
settled
on
a
Cisco
Hardware
device
and
we've
tested
it
and
worked
with
AOC.
C
So
we're
now
sure
that
they're
compatible
and
they'll
play
well
together,
right,
which
doesn't
happen
all
the
time
in
government,
but
our
systems
and
our
people
are
working
well
together
to
get
that
across
the
board.
We've
tested
it
in
my
County
Marion
and
Shelby.
She
mentioned
judge
Blau,
judge,
blouse,
consummate
geek
actually,
and
he
he
loves
all
this
stuff.
So
he
was
pretty
influential
I,
absolutely
understand.
Not
all
jailers
do
myself
included
and
so
I
told
her.
Don't
ask
me
any
technical
questions
because
I
don't
I,
don't
have
a
clue,
but
I
know
it's.
C
It's
a
cost-saving
money-saving
venture
for
us.
So
again
we're
we're
in
the
process
now,
where
every
full
service
jails
and
I'll
put
a
caveat
in
there.
Maybe
some
other
court
systems
where
they
have
where
they
don't
have
a
full-time
Jailer,
we'll
have
it
in
their
core
systems.
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
hopefully,
if
I'm
holding
for
other
jails,
I'll
be
able
to
do
court
for
them.
No
matter
where
they're
coming
from
is
the
ultimate
goal.
So
we
have
and
it
talks
about
the
implementation
schedule.
C
We
are
going
through
the
third
party
vendor
which
of
course
is
Cisco
and
then
who
I
don't
know
the
name
of
the
company
that
they're
dealing
with,
but
we
are
in
the
process
now
where
each
Jailer
will
have
time
to
order.
However
many
units
they
feel
they're
going
to
need
for
their
respective
County,
for
instance
Campbell
County
I,
would
tell
you
will
need
at
least
three
and
probably
I
told
them
if
they
don't
want
them.
I'll
take
them
all,
because
we
do
for
a
pre-trial,
and
we
do
things
for.
C
Oh
I
have
a
brain
for
probation
and
parole,
so
we
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
do
those
hearings
as
well,
but
we're
really
excited.
We
expect,
within
the
next
year
at
18
months,
to
have
all
the
full
service
jails
equipped
and
be
able
to
roll
it
out
with
the
court
system.
D
Well
and
I
would
certainly
defer
to
Beth
Or
to
Scott,
but
I
think
number
one
just
getting
equipment
to
even
test.
It
has
been
a
challenge.
There
have
been
shortages,
you
know
across
the
country
in
the
world,
I
think,
as
everybody
knows,
and
the
solutions
have
been
changing
so
rapidly
that
as
soon
as
we
would
have
something
to
test,
there
would
be
a
new
and
improved
version
of
of
what
we
were
testing
and
Beth.
You
can
probably
elaborate.
E
And
I
think
that
there,
you
know
is
a
sense
of
a
change
culture
right
so
having
any
change
at
all
is
is
challenging,
but
I
think
that
the
technology
is
making
jobs
easier,
not
harder.
So
I
think
that
change
culture
is
happening.
It
just
takes
a
little
time.
D
I
think
our
judges,
who
have
had
an
opportunity
to
use
the
new
system
I,
think
it's
important
to
know
that
there's
only
a
few
of
them
who've
had
an
opportunity
to
test.
This
are
very
positive
about
their
continued
use,
perhaps
even
just
beyond
video
arraignments
but
I,
think
making
sure.
As
Jim
mentioned,
every
one
of
our
courtrooms
will
be
compatible
with
every
jail
in
the
state
will
be
the
goal
if
the
jail
has
installed.
D
That
equipment
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
jailers
association
is
working
closely
with
dlg
to
try
to
make
this
as
easy
as
possible
for
our
jails
to
make
these
purchases
through
the
department
of
local
governments
where
the
money
was
appropriated
under
house
bill.
One
and
and
I
would
remind
the
committee
also
I
think
that
appropriation
just
occurred
this
last
session
also-
and
that
was
a
very
important
piece
of
this
partnership
for
those
dollars.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
had
a
quick
question.
Thank
you
all
for
presenting
this
I
wanted
to
know
about
I'm,
assuming
that
this
system
would
be
the
basis
for
any
transcripts,
and
things
like
that
that
were
used
in
the
future.
F
So
my
question
has
to
do
with
language
access
and
it
also
has
to
do
with
assistive
Technologies
or
you
know,
folks
with
disabilities.
So.
D
Audio
and
video
have
been
the
official
court
record
in
Kentucky
for
a
number
of
years,
so
we
actually
were
the
first
state
in
the
country
to
no
longer
have
court
reporters
to
produce
the
actual
written
transcript,
but
our
office
of
language
access,
for
example,
alone,
interpreted
for
more
than
70
different
languages
last
year.
So
we
provide
interpreters
anytime,
there's
a
request
for
an
interpreter
and
all
of
our
court
hearings
and
interpreters
will
be
available.
D
I
know
that
you
frequently
the
jailers
will
usually
let
our
clerks
know
when
you
need
an
interpreter
and
we'll
have
one
available.
We
also
do
sign
language
interpreting
for
all
of
our
defendants
and
participants
in
our
court
proceedings
as
well
and
Jim
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
practically
about
how
that.
C
With
the
other
thing,
at
least
in
Campbell
County,
that
we
do
on
another,
some
other
jails
have
it
as
well.
We
have
a
guardian
system
and
it
looks
like
a
handheld
telephone
and
it
will
actually,
with
the
multitude
of
languages,
take
care
of
that
right
there
for
you.
So
our
jailers,
Deputy
jailers
can
hold
that
out.
The
person
that's
with
us
will
speak
into
it
and,
and
it
will
tell
us
that
in
English
what
they're
saying
and
that
we
can
use
that
in
the
in
the
aquarium
as
well.
Obviously,.
D
No,
that's,
okay.
We
also
use
a
transcription
software
and
turn
around
and
look
at
Scott,
because
I
know
we've
had
some
challenges
with
some
of
the
licensing
pieces
on
that
I
think
I
was
thinking
about
the
solution:
the
smart
cat,
Solutions
Scott,
if
you're
familiar
with
what
I'm
talking
about
it
may
be
more
of
a
office
of
language
access,
Department,
okay.
So
let's
I'm
going
to
stop
looking
at
yeah.
D
So
we
also
translate
the
forms
as
well
representative
Kulkarni,
so
we
we've
got
I,
think
our
seven
or
eight
most
commonly
spoken
languages
are
key
forms
and
critical
forms
are
translated
as
well.
So
okay-
and
this
is
just
a
picture
Jim
if
you
want
to
speak
to
the
equipment
in
your.
C
Part
of
the
challenge,
as
you
can
imagine,
inside
of
jail,
is
they
don't
get
real
gentle
use
a
lot
of
the
time,
so
the
the
one
on
the
left
is
a
box
that
we're
looking
at
and
we
had
in
Campbell
County
to
test,
but
it's
a
box
that
will
provide
secure
access
to
the
court
system,
even
in
your
arraignments
or
if
you
have
other
hearings
where
you
have
to
have
people
that
are
not
playing
well
with
others
and
then
on
the
right.
C
D
Okay
well,
and
it
might
be
a
good
time
as
Beth
noted,
we
did
bring
a
handout
that
wasn't
in
your
material
in
the
PowerPoint.
It's
the
one
pager
front
and
back
of
really
what
the
ultimate
solution
looks
like
in
the
courtrooms
and
then
we've
shared
some
information,
some
fast
facts
about
a
certification
program
as
we're
trying
to
get
more
and
more
of
our
electronic
records
in
the
record
from
our
our
orders
on
cases
trying
to
make
it
easier
for
our
judicial
Sports
Specialists
to
support
the
remote
proceeding.
D
I
think
that's
been
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
for
our
judges.
You're
asking
them
to
manage
the
courtroom,
give
the
witnesses
the
appropriate
attention
and
counsel
the
appropriate
attention
in
the
courtroom
and
then
also
manage
the
technology
and
I
think
we've
realized.
That
is
really
we're
not
going
to
be
successful.
If
we're
asking
the
judges
to
run
the
technology
and
manage
the
courtroom
at
the
same
time,
so
we're
providing
that
additional
support
by
training
staff.
D
And
we
wanted
to
talk
briefly,
you
funded
three
more
projects
in
the
2020
session
as
well,
or
the
you
appropriated
two
million
dollars
for
us
to
create
a
self-represented,
litigant
portal
and
I.
Think
we
get
lots
of
questions
about
what
that
is.
We
have
in
a
partnership
with
the
access
to
Justice
Commission
created
the
Fayette
County
Legal
self-help
center,
which
really
is
a
model
for
what
we
want
to
try
to
do.
Statewide
we've
served
over
800
people
in
Fayette
County,
and
you
can
see
the
number
of
of
projects
that
we're
piloting.
D
These
are
guided
interview
forms.
It
says
their
divorce
forms
where
you'll
see
divorce
pilot.
It
should
have
said
divorce
forms
pilot,
but
we're
doing
additional,
guided
interviews
for
Guardianship
and
conservatorship
small
claims
cases,
motions
to
modify
parenting
time
and
then
petitions
for
domestic
violence.
We
do
have
language
options
on
all
of
these
as
well.
D
Our
estimated
project
completion
here
is
in
December
2023
and
then
we
plan
to
expand
the
balance
of
the
funds
as
you'll
see
in
equipping
public
workstations
and
additional
Clerk's
offices
and
courthouses
across
the
state.
I
want
to
show
you
what
it
looks
like
on.
Our
website,
because
it
isn't
just
available
in
Fayette
County,
we
just
have
to
staffed
self-help
clinic
in
Fayette
County,
but
you
see
in
the
red
box
below
all
of
the
forms
that
are
available,
that
have
guided
interviews
attached,
and
this
is
we've
developed
a
lot
of
that
with
this
project.
D
It's
pretty
easy
to
find
on
our
website.
You
just
click
the
red
box
of
the
the
top.
It
says
legal
self-help
and
then
this
is
what's
provided.
We
continue
to
build
this
out.
This
is
by
no
means
complete.
I
think
we
anticipate
this
becoming
more
robust
as
we're
able
to
get
more
forms
online
and
build
more
guided
interviews
for
our
self-represented
litigants.
D
D
And
the
next
project
you
funded
was
a
redaction
project,
and
this
is
important
for
us
as
we
move
towards
an
electronic
court
record
sensitive
data
in
cases
that
may
otherwise
be
a
public
record,
whether
it's
say
you
imagine
a
divorce
case
that
could
have
an
account
number
in
it.
You
could
have
a
child's
name
and
it
you
could
have
sensitive
information
in
it.
That
needs
to
be
redacted.
The
redaction
burden
is
on
the
filer.
D
It's
always
been
a
manual
redaction
burden,
but
the
technology
is
Advanced
to
the
point
that
you
can
identify
characters
in
a
document
that
can
be
automatically
redacted
we're
still.
Even
though
we've
expended
all
the
funds
appropriated
to
us,
we've
purchased
the
solution.
We
are
still
scoping
out
the
requirements
and
the
deliverables
in
terms
of
what
this
is
going
to
look
like
whether
what
case
size
will
this
be
applied
in.
If
you
have
a
guardianship
case,
that
is
a
confidential
case,
a
mental
health
case
a
juvenile
case.
Those
are
all
confidential
records.
D
So
we
need
to
determine
whether,
through
the
e-filing
process
does
redaction
happen
immediately
in
all
those
case
types
or
are
we
wasting
resources
to
redact
those
records
because
they're
confidential
cases?
So
those
are
those
are
policy
decisions
that
our
rules
committee
will
need
to
make
on
how
redaction
functions
and
I.
Think
representative
Flannery,
as
you
know,
because
the
burden
is
on
the
file
or
anything
we
can
do
to
make
your
job
easier.
D
Is
the
filer
with
respect
to
redacting,
sensitive
information
and
court
records
is
helpful
for
the
practitioners
and
I
and
then
the
last
project
that
you
funded
in
the
2020
session
was
the
self-service
kiosk.
So
we
frequently
have
lit
against
in
court
who
can
only
pay
fines
and
fees
with
cash?
They
may
not
have
a
debit
card
or
a
credit
card
to
pay.
This
is
to
make
it
possible
for
individuals
to
make
these
payments
anytime.
After
hours
they're
able
to
access
these
kiosks,
we
will
have
10
to
15
kiosks
across
the
state.
D
There
are
26
kiosks
currently
in
probation
and
parole
officers,
and
then
we
will
have
a
number
of
retail
locations
where
constituents
and
litigants
can
make
payments.
Statewide
on
on
fines
and
fees
cases,
we
are
in
the
early
stages
of
a
pilot
here,
but
we
plan
to
be
Statewide
in
July
of
2023,
because
we've
successfully
tested
and
we'll
be
able
to
stand
this
up
pretty
quickly.
But
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
just
show
folks
what
this.
What
this
kiosk
looks
like.
E
So
these
are
all
the
retail
options
that
are
available
to
make
that
payment,
they
basically
download
a
barcode
and
then
take
it
to
the
retail
location
and
can
make
a
payment
on
their
Court
funds.
This
is
a
picture
also
on
the
left
of
the
kiosk.
That's
the
one
that's
currently
installed
in
Fayette
County,
but
also
in
the
26th,
probation
and
parole
offices.
Statewide,
so
folks
will
also
be
able
to
make
payments
there
should
they
choose
to
do
so.
D
As
far
as
we
can
stretch
that
we
have
built
an
appellate
case,
management
system
coordinate,
2.0,
our
e-filing
system,
our
on
base
content
management
system,
and
we
launched
KY3,
which
was
going
to
be
the
next
generation
of
trial
court
case
management
and
I.
Think
what
we
have
realized
is
with
respect
to
what
the
future
looks
like
for
all
of
us
in
court
technology
across
the
country.
We
have
always
been
a
build
it
yourself
shop.
We
have
built
every
software
application
that
we
have
we've
purchased
very
few.
D
We
maintain
over
260
different
software
applications
and,
as
it
gets
harder
and
harder
to
recruit
technology
resources
to
come
to
work
for
state
government.
I
think
we've
recognized
that
it
is
time
for
us
to
move
to
a
vendor-based
case
management
system
for
our
trial
courts,
and
this
has
been
a
decision
that
we
did
not
make
in
a
vacuum.
We
have
pulled
a
number
of
our
clerks
and
our
judges
together,
and
it's
been
a
conversation
over
the
last
several
months.
D
So
we're
making
sure
that
we
include
them
in
the
conversation
as
well,
because
it
could
be
something
that
is
a
much
more
holistic
solution
for
the
whole
state
than
just
what
the
courts
use
as
a
case.
Management
system
and
I
know
there
may
be
some
questions
about
this,
but
it's
it.
It
is
the
biggest
technology
decision
we
have
ever
made
as
a
court
system
in
the
last
40
years.
It's
a
complete
shift
for
us
to
make
a
purchase
of
this
size
to
say
and
Beth
I,
don't
know.
D
A
I
know
Cirque
the
circuit,
it
may
depend
on
what
type
of
proceeding
is
or
what
what
court,
what
the
jurisdiction
is.
But
I
know
there
are
some
circuits.
It
appears
to
me
that
are
not
using
it
for
District
Court,
Circuit,
Court,
Family
Court,
and
the
hesitancy
seems
to
be
that
they
feel
like
it's
bad
for
their
local
bar
I.
Really,
don't
see
it
that
way,
but
how
many
are
you
aware
of
any
circuits
that
are
just
not
utilizing
this
technology
at.
D
All
so,
when
I
talk
to
our
judges,
what
they
tell
me
is
that
all
circuits
are
using
it
in
some
capacities.
Some
are
using
it
much
more
than
others,
and
it
may
be
that
some
circuits
are
only
limiting
it
and
and
well
in
very
limited
circumstances,
whether
it's
video
arraignments
or
perhaps
it's
mental
health
cases
where
someone
is
committed,
I
hear
more
from
our
practitioners
who
aren't
able
to
use
it,
and
it
seems
to
be
it's
a
smaller
handful
of
counties.
D
I
know
that,
depending
on
the
case
types
I
hear
from
some
of
our
practitioners,
frequently
especially
on
maybe
simple,
perhaps
motions
whether
it's
a
motion
for
a
default
judgment
and
something
that
may
make
more
sense
to
be
remote
and
they
were
not
given
an
opportunity
for
it
to
be
remote.
We
continue
to
encourage
that,
and
that
is
something
that
I'm
very
careful
as
AOC,
that
we
try
to
stay
in
our
lane,
we're
trying
to
give
them
the
best
technology.
D
We
can
we're
trying
to
train
their
staff
to
do
these
proceedings
and
whether
or
not
at
you
know
the
Civil
Justice
Commission,
that
newly
elected
Justice
physical
chair
will
take
up
some
issues.
I
think
with
respect
to
civil
rules.
I
know
that
if
we
mandated
these
in
any
of
our
criminal
cases
and
I,
think
that's
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing.
Are
we
talking
about
civil
because
most
of
the
case
types
you
just
mentioned
were
civil
or
are
we
talking
about
criminal
and
I?
D
Think
with
respect
to
arraignments
we're
pretty
comfortable
in
that
space
and
I'm?
Not
sure
that
necessarily
DPA
would
agree
that
they're
as
comfortable
as
we
are
in
some
hearings,
I
think
anything
evidentiary.
There
are
some
concerns
about
whether
those
proceedings
should
be
remote,
but
you're
you're,
talking
more
about
civil
and
I,
think
we're
seeing
it
used
in
both
case
types,
some
places
more
than
others,
but.
A
A
What
I
found
is
is
that
it's
very
good
for
often
for
the
litigants
in
civil
cases
where
they
want
to
be
involved
and
know
what's
going
on
in
court,
but
often
it's
just
routine
motions
and-
and
you
try
to
tell
them-
here's
what's
going
to
happen
in
court
today
and
they
want
to
be
there
and
it
saves
them
for
missing
work.
You
have
less
traffic
going
in
and
out
of
the
Justice
centers,
which
I
think
is
good
for
safety.
You
have,
you
know
less
of
a
likelihood
of
something
happening.
A
A
We
just
got
to
find
a
way
to
make
it
better
and
make
it
work,
for
you
know
all
participants,
civil
and
criminal
cases,
the
DPA,
but
what
what
is
the
pushback
I
mean
primarily
that
you
that
that
you
all
get
as
to
why
they
don't
want
to
go
all
in
on
the
the
usage
of
this
appropriated.
D
Technology,
my
observation
and
I
would
love
for
Beth
to
speak
to
this
or
Jim
or
Scott,
but
I'm
hearing
from
also
my
colleagues
across
the
country
who
are
having
some
of
the
same
challenges,
because
when
we
were
in
the
pandemic
we
were,
everybody
was
pretty
much
remote.
Everybody
was
on
Zoom
and
it
was
relatively
easy
to
record.
D
The
judge
was
able
to
use
their
laptop,
but
we've
moved
into
a
world
now,
so
it
was
either
all
in
person
or
all
remote,
but
we're
in
this
world
now,
and
this
was
the
handout,
the
hybrid
courtroom
where
some
people
are
in
person
and
some
people
are
remote.
So
it's
a
lot
harder
to
capture
all
the
microphones
to
capture
everything
saying
it's
harder
to
create
the
record.
D
Some
people
are
appearing
on
Zoom,
some
people
are
in
front
of
the
judge
and,
and
that's
one
of
the
I
think
the
things
we
were
hoping
to
show
here
how
long
it
took
us
to
come
up
with
a
courtroom,
configuration
and
a
hardware
configuration
that
would
appropriately
capture
the
record.
That
would
make
it
possible
for
the
zoom
participant
to
see
everything
else
in
the
courtroom
that
the
folks
in
the
courtroom
could
see
and
I.
Think
about
it.
D
You
think
I
mean
I've,
attended
meetings
at
lrc,
where
some
folks
are
in
the
room
and
some
folks
are
remote,
and
you
know
it's
hard
because
you
may
have
the
monitor
at
the
end
of
the
table.
You
can
only
see
some
of
the
people
in
the
room.
There's
one
microphone,
that's
hard
for
everybody
else
to
hear,
and
then
we've
got
to
record
all
that
because
that's
the
record
of
the
proceeding.
That's
been
the
challenge
and
it's
been
hard
for
our
judges
to
manage,
and
you
know
the
hope
is
when
we
get
everybody
to
this.
D
E
No
and
I
think
that
what
Laurie
mentioned
earlier,
you
know,
working
with
the
staff
to
ensure
they
have
a
level
of
comfort,
is
also
important
as
they
support
the
judge
in
the
courtroom.
So
that's
something
that
we,
you
know,
have
taken
to
heart
and
created
an
entire
program
around
so
I.
Think
as
we
see,
the
evolution
of
the
technology
continue
to
change
and
it's
it
is
every
it's
an
everyday
change
and
as
soon
as
we
get
something
out
there,
it's
outdated,
and
so
it's
a
constant
change.
E
D
One
of
the
things
I
have
to
think
about
it
from
the
the
role
of
the
judge
so
chairman.
If,
if
you
were
running
the
meeting
today
as
the
judge
and
if
you
had
to
also
run
the
zoom
court
and
you
had
to
allow
the
exhibits
to
come
in
and
you
were
trying
to
share
screen,
you
know
you
would
be
so
consumed
by
trying
to
manage
the
technology
that
you
couldn't
manage.
The
case.
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense,
so
we're
trying
to
provide
the
Technology
support.
D
So
they
can
manage
the
case
because
you
know
if
it's
a
busy
criminal
docket,
they
may
have
200
cases
on
the
docket.
So
it
isn't
just
like
say
one
meeting
that
I'm
struggling
through
to
try
to
run
on
my
end,
they're
trying
to
move
over
200
different
litigants
through
a
remote
Court
proceeding.
Sometimes
the
Civil
motions
are
much
smaller
or
it's
a
it's.
A
scheduled
hearing
that
can
be
scheduled
remotely
so
I
think
we've
just
got
to
get
where
the
technology
is
easier
to
use.
D
The
judges
are
more
comfortable
with
it
and
we
have
staff
who
can
provide
that
support
I
just
having
bumbled
through
a
meeting
and
tried
to
manage
documents
in
a
meeting
and
also
run
the
zoom.
At
the
same
time,
I
know
I
felt
incredibly,
incompetent
and
I
know
we
don't
want
to
set
our
judges
up
for
that
challenge
on
the
bench.
D
Responsible
for
those
tasks,
the
circuit
clerks
are
not
responsible
for
that
and
I
think
that
has
been
one
of
the
important
conversations
that
we
had
early.
The
clerks
are
The
Keeper
of
the
record,
not
the
creator
of
the
record.
They
have
some
pretty
important
functions
that
they
have
to
perform
in
the
courtroom
as
bench
clerks.
So,
on
the
on
the
back
side
of
this
sheet,
we
created
a
a
program,
a
certification
program
for
judicial
support.
Specialists,
it's
a
voluntary
program.
Judicial
staff
can
be
trained.
A
I
appreciate
you
all
showing
up
today,
like
I,
said:
I've
got
a
just
kind
of
a
personally
I
I
love,
Zoom,
chord
and
I.
Think
it
has
a
lot
of
opportunities.
I
think
it's
good
for
all
persons
involved
and
can
be
a
big
win
for
the
taxpayers
and
and
finding
ways
to
save
money
and
transporting
inmates
and
and
prisoners
and
and
getting
trying
to
find
ways
to
reconfigure
the
structure
of
our
courtrooms
and
and
you
know,
have
cost
savings
on
construction
and
and
better
utilize.
A
The
the
footage,
the
square
footage
that
we
have
existing
so
I
think
it
has
a
lot
of
problems
and
I
know.
This
is
all
still
kind
of
new
and
we're
learning
as
we
go.
But
I
do
appreciate
you
all
bringing
this
update
and
hopefully
we
can
find
ways
to
make
it
even
better
as
we
move
forward
and
if
there
are
no
further
questions
or
comments.
If
you
all
have
any
comments,
I'll
give
you
the
opportunity,
if
not
we'll
we'll.