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If
anyone
is
participating
virtually
please,
let
us
know
that
when
roll
is
called
in
just
a
moment
and
if
anyone
wishes
to
speak
on
one
of
the
bills
that
will
be
before
the
committee
today
and
you're,
not
a
guest
of
the
sponsor.
Please
sign
up
for
that
as
well,
and
let
us
know,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
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Present
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
newly
constituted
to
do
business.
I
also
do
want
to
recognize
that
we
have
a
new
member
participating
in
their
first
meeting
of
the
committee
today,
representative
heron.
We
welcome
you
to
the
committee.
You
have
any
comments
you'd
like
to
make.
Let
us
know
a
little
bit
about
where
you're
from.
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F
Like
these
deadly
storms,
we
saw
can
take
a
toll
on
these
first
responders.
Most
mental
health
professionals
do
not
have
first
responder
experience
so
for
local
governments.
Peer
counseling
offers
considerable
rep
support.
However,
in
kentucky
there's
an
obstacle
to
this
support.
This
is
what
senate
bill
64
actually
addresses.
F
We
have
discovered
that
there
is
a
state
law.
That's
only
provided
confidentiality
protections
through
the
kentucky
fire
commission
and
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training.
These
same
safeguards
are
not
in
place
for
first
responders
at
the
local
level
senate.
Bill
64
provides
protections
so
that
first
responders
can
seek
support
without
fear
that
personal
information
would
become
public
and
communication
shared
during
peer
counseling
programs
would
remain
confidential
and
not
subject
to
the
open
records
act,
except
in
the
following
situations.
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565
will
ease
training
for
and
backlogs
at
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training
by
allowing
some
online
training.
The
measure
requires
doc
jt
to
create
administrative
regs
that
transition
some
instruction
to
online
to
an
online
platform
and
distance
learning.
This
change
is
vitally
important
as
law
enforcement
agencies
struggle
with
wait
times
of
several
months
to
receive
their
required
training
moving.
L
Some
courses
to
alternate
forms
of
learning
will
free
up
space,
help
officers
from
communities
far
from
the
richmond
facility
and
need
to
need
to
travel
pay
for
individuals
to
be
away
and
and
actually
not
be
out
on
the
street.
So
this
will
potentially
help
state
and
local
governments
curb
those
expenses.
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I'll
walk
through
the
bill
and
then
thank
you,
chairman
meredith,
for
hearing
house
bill
565,
our
cities
employ
nearly
5
000
law
enforcement
officers,
whether
cadets
or
veterans
house
bill
565
provides
new
options
for
vital
law
enforcement.
Training
that
can
be
often
difficult
to
schedule
and
require
extensive
travel
to
obtain.
This
bill
requires
doc,
jt
to
promulgate
administrative
regulations
by
september
1st,
for
some
basic
training
and
annual
in-service
course
instruction
through
remote,
remote
learning.
I
These
regulations
would
have
to
establish
a
new
way
to
teach
the
following:
10
percent
of
total
hours,
of
course,
instruction
for
basic
training
available
online
by
no
later
than
january.
First,
twenty
twenty
four
thirty
percent,
of
course,
instruction
for
annual
in-service
training
available
online
by
january
first,
twenty
twenty
five,
a
key
provision
is
that
these
cannot
be
classes
or
training
that
requires
skills,
that
of
those
that
evaluate
any
kind
of
proficiency
that
would
inquire
or
that
would
be
available,
sorry
for
shooting
and
driving
any
kind
of
physical
skills.
I
The
online
courses
would
be
offered
throughout
the
calendar
year
and
spread
over
a
reasonable
time.
Doc,
jt
would
create
reasonable
procedures
and
rules
to
ensure
attendance,
active
participation
and
successful
mastery
of
subject
matters
presented
in
those
online
classes.
The
department
of
criminal
justice
law
enforcement,
basic
training
academy
is
a
20-week
course.
They
average
30
officers
per
class
with
9
to
10
classes
per
year
due
to
a
lack
of
room.
It
takes
several
months
for
new
officers
to
get
into
class,
allowing
online
classes
could
could
potentially
save
on
travel
time
and
costs.
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I
The
downside
is
that
there
there
has
been
a
potential
argument,
that
you
would
lose
that
in-person
collaboration
and
and
what
we
are.
What
we
are
saying
to
that
is
that
we're
only
saying
a
minimum
of
10
percent,
and
so
that
would
you
we
don't
feel
that
you
would
lose
that
because
you're
having
a
live
virtual,
interactive
instruction,
we
would
hope,
and-
and
so
hopefully
you
would
not-
you
would
not
lose
that.
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N
The
generation
we
are
dealing
with
now
learns
like
this
and
they
are
used
to
this
type
of
training.
It's
not
mandated
there'll
still
be
the
opportunity,
whether
you
want
to
take
this
type
of
class
or
not,
and-
and
we
just
feel
like-
we
need
to
move
forward
in
those
directions.
We
have
severe
staff
shortages.
N
If
this
something
along
these
lines
were
passed
and
we
can
put
virtual
when
it's
spread
out,
it
will
give
our
departments
the
opportunity
that
our
officers
can
come
in.
They
could
do
potentially
four
hours
and
go
out
and
work
their
shift
and
spread
that
out
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
as
it
says
in
the
bill,
and
it
would
still
allow
us
to
fill
those
holes,
it's
becoming
more
and
more
difficult
to
fill
holes
when
our
people
go
to
training.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
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N
I
think
those
are
good.
I
think
there
are
more
that
could
be
there.
Maybe
legal
updates
or
legal
refreshers
could
be
done.
They
do
breath
test
recertification
online
right
now,
so
there
are
those
classes
that
can
be
done
and
this
I
would
like
to
point
out
to
the
committee
too,
even
though
this
bill
passes,
nothing
says
that
the
classes
still
have
to
be
approved
by
the
kentucky
law
enforcement
council.
So
there
is
still
that
line
of
defense.
So
it's
not
bad
classes.
N
I
think
there
are
many
classes
that
can
be
done
online.
You
know,
representative,
you
know
I
mean,
I
guess
we
look
at
it.
As
from
the
chiefs,
you
can
get
a
bachelor's
master's
or
a
doctorate
degree
online
right
now,
and
you
know
the
military
has
been
using
forms
of
virtual
training
for
over
20
years.
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Thank
you,
representative
lockett
asked
a
couple
of
my
or
one
of
my
questions,
but
the
other
question
I
have
is
that:
how
are
we
going
to
ensure
the
fidelity
of
those
trainings
is
that's.
One
of
my
concerns
is,
I
know
of
the
last
couple
years
with
covet,
I've
had
to
take
a
lot
of
trainings
online
and
by
20
or
30
minutes,
I'm
kind
of
not
paying
attention
anymore,
and
so
I'm
just
curious
of
with
this.
N
And
that's
an
excellent
question
because
you
can
look
at
me
and
tell
I'm
not
a
spring
chicken,
so
online
probably
would
have
been
a
struggle
for
me
in
my
younger
days,
but
one
thing
I
did
representative
I
went
down.
My
daughter
was
a
senior
at
northern
kentucky
university
and,
as
I
was
trying
to
learn
so
I
could
speak
about
this.
For
my
association
I
said,
show
me
how
you
do
a
class
online.
N
Show
me
what
the
safeguards
are.
I
sat
down
and
watched
her
take
a
test
and
I
watched
her
browser
be
locked
down
on
her
computer.
It
was
completely
filmed
now.
I
know
some
of
the
things
they
are
already
doing
now
is
when
you
take
a
break,
there
might
be
a
quiz
question
when
you
come
back
from
that
break
the
it
is
recorded.
N
So
I
think
there
are
safeguards
and
there's
many
safeguards
built
into
the
blackboard
system
that
they
now
have
at
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training,
and
that
is
something
that
we
looked
at
and
another
thing
is,
you
know
if
they're
spread
out
over
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
they're
going
to
have
to
be
done
at
the
office,
we're
not
sitting
at
home.
Taking
these
classes-
and
I
agree
with
you-
that's
an
important,
important
piece
of
the
legislation
and
I
think
those
safeguards
are
there.
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Q
This
bill
that
we're
talking
about
today
is
kind
of
a
cleanup
bill.
More
than
anything,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
historical
knowledge
is
ashland
had
four
precincts
that
were
wet
at
one
point
in
time
and
then
for
voting
reasons
they
combined
down
to
two,
but
in
that
process
they
went
from
eight
license
for
alcohol
down
to
I'm
sorry
16
down
to
four,
and
that
wasn't
an
issue
until
recently,
when
the
current
abc
did
a
strict
interpretation
and
said.
Q
Okay,
we've
got
to
fix
this,
so
this
bill
is
going
to
try
and
clean
up
this
problem
here
with
the
precinct,
since
ashland
has
gone
wet
in
total
and
we're
going
to
work
on
it
from
there.
So
I'm
going
to
pass
this
on
to
the
city
attorney.
Who
will
be
more
descriptive
about
that?
The
second
part
of
this
bill
is
actually
part
of
the
chairman's
bill,
and
I
will
let
him
address
that
when
the
time
is
appropriate.
O
Thank
you
at
mr
chairman
representatives
just
to
try
and
be
as
brief
as
I
can
to
explain
why
this
bill
is
important
to
ashland
and
the
problems
that
we
have
currently.
As
far
as
I
know,
ashland's
the
only
city
that's
ever
operated
under
242
1292,
the
limited
sail
precincts
it
came
in
was
adopted
in
1982.
O
in
1984
we
exercised
the
local
option
and
we
created
these
four
precincts
that
operate
under
a
set
of
rules
applicable
only
under
1292..
It
allowed
four
by
the
drink
licenses.
Three
package
licenses
in
the
four
downtown
precincts
worked
fine
for
quite
a
while
at
some
point.
As
the
representative
pointed
out,
the
board
of
elections
for
their
own
purposes,
economies
of
scale
reduced
the
precincts
from
four
to
two.
Our
position
was:
it
was
the
same
geographical
area.
The
same
number
of
licenses
prevailed,
the
abc
agreed
with
that.
O
Basically,
in
2020
there
was
a
boyd
county,
county-wide
wet
dry
election
and
it
went
wet
by
approximately
two
to
one.
The
same
election
under
the
provisions
of
1292,
the
four
limited
sale
precincts
voted
to
remain
limited
sale,
precincts
the
reason
that
the
city
supported
that
and
the
reason
that
happened
was
under
this
statute.
We
were
able
to
collect
a
regulatory
fee
of
4
percent,
which
primarily
went
to
support
our
law
enforcement
efforts
that
were
required
by
the
wet
dry
situation.
O
O
We
have
downtown
precincts
with
no
licenses
available
where
we
collect
a
regulatory
fee.
We
have
precincts
outside
the
downtown
operating
under
a
different
set
of
rules
without
limitations
on
the
number
of
licenses,
but
where
we
can't
collect
a
regulatory
fee,
we
had
initially
sought
to
talk
to
people
about
a
legislative
solution.
To
this.
I
think
perhaps
more
licenses
quickly
found
out
that
a
lot
of
folks
thought
1292
was
not
necessary
because
we
were
the
only
city
operating
under
it.
O
From
our
point
of
view,
this
puts
the
whole
city
all
the
precincts
of
the
city,
in
fact
our
city
and
the
rest
of
the
state
on
a
level
playing
field
operating
under
the
same
set
of
rules
with
respect
the
same
limitations
if
there
are
limitations
on
types
of
licenses
and
where
they're
not
limitations
the
same
everywhere.
So
that's
that's
our
support
for
this.
I
know
there
are
some
other
provisions
in
the
bill:
they're
not
essential
to
the
city
of
ashland,
but
we
we've
read
them.
O
E
E
E
You
all
represent
many
cities
that
also
have
experienced
a
downturn
in
the
downtown
areas,
and-
and
we
think
that
the
the
efforts
that
we're
putting
forth
here
today,
in
addition
to
our
investments
in
infrastructure,
will
help
us
move
forward
and
get
our
downtown
revitalized.
So
I
appreciate
that
opportunity.
Thank
you
all.
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Jason
namas,
lifelong
resident
and
represent
of
louisville
and
represent
jefferson
33
with
me
is
kevin.
Bratcher
represents
southeast
jefferson,
county
and
jefferson
29
and
the
mayor
of
douglas
hills
and
the
president
of
the
jefferson
county
league
of
cities,
bonnie
jung
I'll
start,
and
then
I
think
mayor
john
will
have
some
comments
as
well
and
obviously
we'd
love.
To
answer
any
questions.
We
asked
the
louisville
mayor
to
be
here
with
us:
I'd
love
for
him
to
sit
next
to
me
on
this
on
this
bill,
and
I
don't
think
he's
he's
made
it
today.
R
I
wish
wish
you
were
here.
I
want
to
start
with
some
housekeeping
memos.
I
will
say
that
this
bill
passed
this
committee.
Last
year,
we've
taken
some
things
out
the
most
controversial
things
we've
taken
out,
that
was
to
make
louisville
a
non-partisan
mayor
situation.
I
strongly
support
that
that
is
not
in
this
bill
that
passed
this
committee
last
year.
R
We,
what
is
in
this
bill
I'll
start
with
the
housekeeping,
then
I'll
get
to
the
things
that
people
have
been
in
your
offices
about
the
first
thing
it
does
is
it
allows
the
government
oversight
and
audit
committee.
It
clarifies
that
they
can
subpoena
former
officers
and
appointees.
Currently
it
appears
they
can
only
do
current,
and
if
an
officer
leaves
employment,
we
think
an
investigation
ought
to
be
able
to
subpoena
those
folks
as
well.
So
that's
a
we've
clarified
that
we've
removed
a
language
that
required
the
the
council
to
approve
settlements.
R
That
was
at
the
request
of
of
the
mayor's
office,
the
county,
attorney's
office
and
a
number
of
council
persons,
so
that
has
been
removed
from
this
bill,
the
currently
the
next
the
next
province.
I
want
to
talk
about
currently
in
order
to
the
law
says
in
order
to
file
an
ordinance
that
has
to
be
approved
by
the
county
attorney
talked
to
a
number
of
council
persons
and
the
county
attorney
we're
making
that
advisory,
and
that's
what
the
county
attorney
wants
right
now.
R
He
has
to
take
a
position
on
it
before
they
can
file
it.
This
just
says
they
have
to
be
it's
advisory,
representative
bentley.
That
would
be
akin
to
us
having
to
get
permission
from
the
attorney
general
to
file
a
bill.
That's
a
that's
offensive
to
a
legislator's
mind,
and
so
that
makes
it
removes
that
that
requirement.
R
I
think,
I
think,
that's
just
a
housekeeping
requirement
without
any
controversy.
We
remove
the
provision
that
disables,
a
member
from
serving
on
the
committee
to
impeach,
remove
an
officer
at
the
local
government.
What
happens
now,
unlike
any
other
body,
that
I
know
of
certainly
our
body.
If
there's
a
five
person
committee,
that's
put
together
to
remove
another
council
person,
which
has
happened
twice,
those
persons
on
the
on
that
charging
committee.
R
R
You
can.
You
can
vote
on
the
floor
on
that
question
again.
That
would
be
akin,
representative
iams
to
you
being
able
to
vote
in
this
committee,
but
not
on
the
house
floor
again
that
that
is
offensive
to
a
legislators
mindset,
and
so
we
just
we
fix
that
here.
We
also
say
that
you
have
the
annual
reporting
of
the
operating
and
capital
expenses
of
the
urban
services
district.
For
those
who
don't
know
much
about
jefferson
county.
Let
me
briefly
explain
this.
R
There's
an
area
of
old
louisville,
it's
called
the
urban
services
district,
where
they
have
a
different
taxing
system
than
people
outside
the
urban
services
district.
With
that
different
taxing
system
supposedly
and
us
have
different
services.
For
example,
I
pay
because
I
live
in
unincorporated
louisville.
I
don't
live
in
any
city
in
the
city
and
jefferson
county,
except
for
louisville,
but
outside
the
urban
services
district.
I
don't
pay
the
urban
services
district
tax.
R
I
don't
get
those
services,
I
pay
additional
taxes
to
other
places
and
additional
contract
fees
and
neighborhood
association
fees,
but
that's
what
that
is,
and
so
what
we
want
there
is.
We
want
an
accounting
because
they're
not
supposed
to
be
taking
money
from
outside
the
urban
services
district
for
services
that
are
only
provided
in
inside
the
urban
services
district,
but
after
22
years,
it's
time
for
an
accounting
to
be
sure,
for
example,
that
that
they're
not
using
the
overall
general
fund
to
buy
things
for
the
fire
department,
fire
trucks
and
things
of
that
nature.
R
I
assume
they're
not,
and
if
they
are,
they
should
stop
this.
Will
this
will
let
everybody
know
all
the
voters
know
where
the
tax
money
is
going
where
it's
coming
in
and
where
it's
going
so
that's
another.
I
think
housekeeping
portion
we've
removed
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
mention
in
the
committee
sub,
and
that
is
the
term
limits.
R
It
was
in
the
bill.
Last
year
we
removed
that.
I
think
that's
another
housekeeping
thing.
Let
me
get
to
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
the
bill
of
why
you've
been
hearing
a
lot
of
people
in
your
offices,
and
I
wish
the
mayor
were
here
with
me
here
on
this
one.
Two
provisions,
one
is
annexation,
so
in
2000,
when
louisville
merged,
we
had
a
12-year
hiatus
in
the
statute.
The
people
didn't
vote
on
that,
but
it
was
in
the
statute
that
we
had
a
12-year
hiatus
of
any
annexations
of
property.
R
So
for
example,
example,
if
you
live
near
j-town,
but
not
in
j-town,
and
you
want
to
get
services,
whether
it's
street
paving
or
whether
it's
police
officers,
monitoring
your
streets
or
whatever
it
is
the
services
that
j-town
would
provide.
This
would
enable
your
area
to
join
with
j-town.
If-
and
this
is
a
very
important
thing,
if
75
of
the
people
to
be
annexed
to
join
j-town
in
my
hypothetical
agree
with
that
75,
it's
much
lower
than
that
in
in
your
counties
and
all
across
the
commonwealth.
R
The
other
provision
that
we
have,
that
is
worth
note,
I
think,
is
similar
to
incorporate
similar
annexation
in
its
incorporation
in
jefferson
county.
We
have
a
lot
of
cities
in
the
east
end
where
I
represent
and
represent
donahue
can
attest
to
this.
There
are
no
cities
in
south
louisville,
just
a
historical
anomaly.
It
is
what
it
is.
R
There's
there
are
a
bunch
of
cities
in
east
end
and
I
grew
up
in
the
south
end
and
when
we
need
something
in
the
east
end,
if
louisville
doesn't
provide
those
services,
we
have
the
wealth
and,
most
importantly,
we
have
the
apparatus,
the
city,
the
mechanism,
douglas
hills,
for
example,
j-town
middletown
anchorage.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
take
care
of
our
own
needs.
If
the
roads
aren't
paid,
we
can
pay
our
own
roads.
R
Most
importantly,
I'll
note
is,
if
you
see
an
lmpd
officer
which
obviously
we
pay
taxes
for,
if
you
see
an
lmpd
officer
in
my
neck
of
the
woods
in
my
side
of
the
county,
you've
just
seen
a
unicorn,
they
don't
exist,
it's
very
rare
and
their
headquarters
is
right
in
the
middle
of
my
district.
They
do
a
wonderful
job.
Lmpd
is
a
wonderful
organization.
They
do
a
terrific
job,
don't
hear
me
say
anything
differently
there,
but
they've
been
assigned
to
other
areas
of
the
county,
and
I'm
not
even
complaining
about
that.
I'm
fine
with
that.
R
We
pay
taxes.
We
love
louisville.
We
want
all
of
louisville
to
be
safe,
all
of
louisville
to
prosper,
but
what
that
means
is
there's
a
vacuum.
So
what
has
happened
is
j-town
has
over
40
officers.
Anchorage
has
over
20
officers
middletown,
which
we
just
created
three
years
ago,
has
19
officers,
that's
good
for
my
the
people.
I
represent
it's
good
for
the
businesses
in
my
area.
You
know
who
else
it's
good
for
it's
good
for
louisville,
the
entire
city.
R
Why
is
it
good
for
louisville,
because
we
don't
need
as
many
lmpd
officers
in
middletown
because
we're
covering
it,
thereby
you're
going
to
hear
a
lot
about
finances
in
a
moment
from
the
other
side,
but
thereby
freeing
up
all
those
finances,
so
they
can
put
those
officers
in
places
where
there's
a
more
critical
need.
That's
wonderful!
If
you
get
in
a
wreck
in
my
area,
middletown
is
going
to
be
responding,
not
lmpd.
R
If
there's
a
murder.
Obviously
lmpd
is
the
lead
law
enforcement
agency
and
our
people
support
them.
The
more
serious
things
lmpd
covers.
We
want
them
to
not
many
serious
things
of
that
nature.
Where
I
live,
thankfully,
and
so
our
supplementing
the
services
that
are
provided
to
the
people
that
live
in
my
area
of
the
county
is
very
good
and
here's
the
fundamental
question:
why
can't
the
people
of
oak
alone
have
that?
Why
can't
the
people
of
fern
creek
have
that?
Why
can't
the
people
of
fairdale
valley
station,
where
I
grew
up
prp?
R
If
you
go
talk
to
them,
they'll
tell
you
they'll,
let
you
know
if
I
have
a
problem
at
iroquois
park,
it
takes
forever
to
get
fixed.
If
I
got
a
problem
at
seneca
park,
if
I
got
a
problem
out
in
my
neck
of
the
woods
gets
fixed
immediately,
they
need
to
have
the
city
services
that
we
have
in
the
east
end
if
they
want
it.
So
let
me
tell
you
what
the
bill
does
on
this
on
this
score.
R
It
has
to
be
over
6
000
people,
6
000
people
doesn't
sound
like
an
awful
lot,
but
it's
bigger
than
four
counties.
Mr
chairman,
I
went
and
looked
at
that
it's
bigger
than
four
counties
are
and
80
cities
out
of
the
400
plus
there's
416
cities.
I
think
in
kentucky
only
80
of
them
85,
I
think,
have
more
than
5
000
people
we're
not
allowing
that
anymore.
I
don't
want
the
proliferation,
the
extent
the
increased
proliferation
of
small
cities
and
wolves.
I'm
against
that.
R
I
don't
want
neighborhood
cities
but
5
000
people
or
more
and
here's
the
big
kicker
6
000
people
more
excuse
me:
here's
the
big
kicker
of
those
6
000
people
of
the
qualified
voters
in
that
area.
In
your
counties
it
takes
66
percent.
What
this
bill
does.
Is
it
takes
75
percent?
You
can't
get
representative
fleming.
R
So
that
is
in
a
nutshell,
but
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing,
because
when
people
think
of
louisville
cities,
they
think
an
abundance
of
cities,
I
do
too.
We
have
80
79
81,
two
or
the
phone.
We
have
79
cities
in
jefferson
county
in
jefferson
county.
We
have
17.5
approximately
17.5
percent
of
the
population.
In
kentucky
we
have
18
percent
of
the
cities.
So
it
is
not
true
that
louisville
has
a
abundance
per
capita.
R
We
have
just
as
many
cities
in
jefferson
county
as
you
have
in
the
rest
of
the
state,
but
no
more
so
the
the
misnomer
that
louisville
has
all
these
cities.
We
got
too
many
cities
through
these
small
cities,
but
we've
got
no
more
per
capita
cities
than
we
have
in
the
rest
of
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
I
think
that's
an
important.
That's
an
important
thing
to
understand
last
thing,
I'll
mention
is
why
this
is
also
necessary,
and
I
love
my
city.
It's
the
best
city
on
earth.
R
I've
said
it
over
and
over
again
my
city
is
louisville
kentucky
it's
the
best
city
on
earth.
I
want
people
representative
bray.
I
want
people
to
move
to
jefferson
county.
I
want
them
to
live
where
I
live,
I
want
them
to
live
in
kentucky
and
where
we
know
that
our
economic
engine
in
kentucky's,
I
love
my
town,
it's
the
best
town
on
earth.
But
let
me
tell
you
something:
that's
unfair
that
we're
trying
to
fix
here.
R
The
mayor
of
louisville
gave
me
he's.
Given
me
three
road
plans,
three
buy
any
I'm
just
my
third
buy
buying
him
here,
he's
giving
me
a
road
plan.
He's
planning
biennium
the
first
two
had
over
25
roads
combined,
not
one
road
outside
the
water
center.
I
don't
know
how
much
people
know
inside
know
about
louisville
the
water
centers
effectively
breaks
it
up
in
half
suburbs
are
more
outside,
not
exactly
the
suburbs
are
more
outside
and
then
inside.
R
The
water
centers
is
not
exactly
but
effectively
the
urban
services
district,
not
one
road
was
outside
the
waterside,
not
one
the
people
of
south
and
they're
entitled
to
roads,
the
people,
the
east
and
they're
entitled
to
roads.
Their
mayor
came
here
and
said
no
roads
outside
the
watterson,
so
I've
complained
about
it
all
over
the
place.
All
over
the
media,
every
chamber
event
I
go
to
that.
This
is
relevant.
I
complain
about
it.
I've
told
the
mayor
to
his
face
a
number
of
times
this
time.
Thankfully
they
come
with
a
road
plan.
R
R
By
the
way,
the
people
in
okolona
in
fairdale
and
all
over
the
jefferson
county
are
entitled
to
good
services,
we're
going
to
hear
about
about
the
opposition
and
in
our
respective
opposition,
but
this
I'm
we're
not
asking
for
anything
more
than
fairness,
and
it
takes
75
percent
of
the
vote
of
the
qualified
voters.
To
support
that.
With
that.
Mr
chairman
I'll
ask
the
president
of
the
jefferson
county
league
of
cities,
bonnie
jones,
for
her
comments.
P
P
We've
had
two
decades
to
see
how
merger
has
evolved.
It's
been
very
beneficial
in
many
ways,
but
unfortunately
disappointing
for
many
residents
of
the
unincorporated
jefferson
county
area.
Many
feel
that
they
are
ignored
because
the
amount
of
property
taxes
do
not
reflect
the
services
that
they
receive
now.
P
Most
folks
may
be
unaware
that
during
the
riots
and
the
protests
that
occurred
in
downtown
louisville,
it
was
the
officers
and
the
staff
of
the
home
rural
police
departments
such
as
jeffersontown
middletown,
saint
matthews
and
shively
that
patrolled
and
responded
to
all
of
the
incidents
that
were
occurring
outside
the
watterson
expressway
to
representative
nemes's
point.
The
eighth
division
of
the
lmpd
covers
92
square
miles
of
densely
populated
area,
but
has
less
than
45
officers
working
all
shifts
with
only
six
louisville
metro
ambulances
to
cover
all
of
jefferson
county.
P
It's
hard
to
think
that
the
folks
in
the
unincorporated
areas
have
a
safe,
affordable
living
community
if
it
weren't
for
the
jefferson
county
home
rural
cities
and
our
county
fire
and
ambulance
services.
But
now
keep
in
mind
should
any
unincorporated
area
of
jefferson
county
form
a
city.
Those
taxpayers
will
pay
exactly
the
same
that
they
have
always
paid
to
louisville
jefferson
county.
Just
as
they
do
now
now,
I
know
that
you
have
heard
that
this
is
a
bill
to
unwind
merger.
P
It's
nothing
of
the
sorts,
it's
a
simple
way
to
restore
the
rights
of
the
residents
of
unincorporated
jefferson
county
or
to
create
and
join
a
city
and
provide
those
services
closer
to
home.
It's
a
right.
These
folks
have
not
had
in
over
two
decades,
and
if
the
residents
of
fern
creek,
fairdale
pleasure
ridge
park
or
lake
forest
want
to
form
a
city
or
be
annexed,
why
should
they
be
denied
this
opportunity?
P
As
you
all
know,
home
rules
cities
take
care
of
the
sidewalks
and
the
streets,
and
the
weekly
full-service
garbage
collection
or
parks,
or
community
and
snow
removal.
Douglas
hills
pays
12
and
60
cents
per
household
for
our
garbage
pickup
in
the
urban
service
district
of
jefferson
county.
It's
double
that
I
would
like
to
submit
two
pictures
that
represent
nemas
has
that
I
took
yesterday
on
moser
road
in
eastern
jefferson.
County
now
understand
this
is
a
state
road
that
is
supposed
to
be
maintained
by
metro.
P
P
P
So
it's
estimated
around
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
insurance
premium
money
will
be
lost
to
metro
government,
and
this
is
what
they
received
from
the
folks.
In
lake
forest,
I
know
it
might
sound
like
a
lot
to
some,
but
that's
not
last
year,
douglas
hills
put
in
one
sidewalk
and
it
cost
over
240
thousand
dollars.
P
So
in
2020
it
was
estimated
that
the
fastest
growing
area
of
jefferson
county
was
southeast
and
eastern
jefferson
county
25
of
the
growth
in
2019.
Please
listen
to
this.
In
2019,
the
current
administration
of
louisville
metro
closed
our
east
government
center,
the
reason
being
cost
effective.
Yet
in
their
budget
it
was
in
excess
of
600
million
dollars.
P
Amazingly
enough,
the
next
year,
when
the
audit
was
done
on
the
budget,
they
found
millions
of
dollars
in
surplus,
even
after
finding
these
million
dollars
in
surplus.
Absolutely
no
plans
were
presented
to
re-establish
the
government
center
for
our
folks
to
go
for
services,
so
it
didn't
matter
if
the
fastest
growing
area,
the
county
lost
their
neighborhood
safe
place
the
place
where
those
folks
go
to
get
housing
and
assistance,
we
lost
our
library.
P
So
the
folks
in
the
fastest
growing
part
of
jefferson
county
are
stripped
of
the
exact
same
services
that
they
pay
for
now.
I
would
think
that
metro
would
be
able
to
provide
those
quality
services,
but
they
can't
they're
not
losing
money.
The
money
isn't
going
to
be
spent
anywhere
else
other
than
by
the
citizens
in
the
area
and
where
they
live
in
order
to
get
the
quality
services
that
they
deserve.
P
G
G
Metro,
metro
louisville
is
a
creature
of
the
state
and
yes,
there
was
a
vote
on
a
checklist
of
dozens
of
of
items
that
went
into
the
to
metro
louisville.
The
only
way
I
can
represent
my
district-
and
I
think
I'm
the
only
one
except
maybe
represent
representative
donahue-
and
I
don't
know
about
representative
heron,
I'm
not
sure,
but
some
areas,
probably
in
your
district-
we're
the
only
ones
in
this
state
that
cannot
create
our
own
city.
If
we
go
by
the
proper
rules,
we
are
completely
forbidden.
G
Fern,
creek,
highview,
fairdale,
okolona,
prp,
everything
outside
of
the
east
end
of
kentucky
has
zero
chance
of
forming
their
own
city.
So
when
they
say
it's
the
war
on
louisville,
it's
not.
This
is
the
only
avenue
I
have
as
the
representative
of
fern
creek
high
view
and
and
part
of
okolona.
This
is
the
only
venue
I
have
for
this
and
I
hope
you
will
pass
this
bill.
We
have
no
library,
as
the
mayor
said,
in
fern,
creek,
zero
library
and
I
just
hope,
you'll
consider
this.
R
Chairman
we're
going
to
close
it.
I
just
want
to
say,
because
most
people
in
this
committee
don't
know
the
size
of
those
areas
I
want
to.
Let
you
know
valley
station
is
22
900
people
we're
not
talking
about
a
small
area.
Oak
alone
is
17
800
people,
fern
creek,
21,
000,
fair
fairdale,
8,
000
lake
forest
8
300..
R
These
are
not
small
areas.
These
are
not
just
neighborhoods.
These
are
areas
and
if
75
percent
of
the
voters
there
want
to
want
to
get
service
and
we're
not
all
the
things
we're
talking
about
the
health
department's
libraries-
we're
not
here
to
whine
about
that.
We're
here
to
say:
let
us
take
care
of
our
business.
R
R
A
C
C
R
The
bill
was
put
on
the
agenda.
I
don't
I
don't
know
when
that
was
sent
out.
I
would
say
this
bill
by
the
way
is
almost
verbatim
without
the
non-partisan
of
the
mayor.
We
voted
on
it
last
year.
It
was,
it
was
introduced
in
2010
in
2017.
We've
had
a
long
conversation
about.
I
think
the
bill
was
put
on
agenda
for
this
committee.
I
think
it
may
have
been
yesterday.
We've
been
talking
about
this
since
2017.
C
Thank
you.
I
don't
need
a
history
lesson,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is:
is
this
thing?
If
I
may
that
was
put
on
yesterday
and
the
comment
about
the
mayor
not
being
available
here,
I
don't
think
he
was
giving
apple
time
to
be
available
for
that,
but
here's
my
follow-up.
If
I
may,
you
know
we're
talking
about
districts
where
you
can
afford
to
do
the
things
you
do
and
I've
been
around
a
long
time.
C
Okay
and
from
the
conception
of
merger
in
the
city
of
louisville,
there's
been
a
fight
from
the
very
beginning.
You
know
about
merger
in
the
city
of
louisville.
Do
I
have
issues
with
the
city
of
louisville?
I
sure
do,
but
you
know
this
legislation
presented
today
is
not
conducive
to
my
area,
nor
any
area
I
may
represent
in
the
future.
The
area
I
represented,
and
possibly
the
other
one
that
I'll
be
assigned
to.
C
We
do
not
have
the
resources
in
my
district
or
the
infrastructure
or
the
desire
of
the
folks
that
need
to
make
this
thing
work.
It's
not
they're,
not
there,
there's
no
interest
in
it
and
currently,
if
I
have
a
problem
with
the
metro
council
in
my
small
community
right
right
now,
I
work
with
them.
I
call
them
all
to
tell
them
how.
C
How
can
we
do
this
and
we
we
work
through
all
the
the
problems
that
we
do
have
may
take
a
little
bit
longer,
sometimes
depending
on
the
availability
of
certain
things,
but
right
now,
as
I'm
speaking
with
you,
I
have
a
a
fan,
a
neighborhood
in
my
district
out.
There
that's
lost
their
certification.
You
know
they
had
their
own
little
community
out
there
and
they
paid
for
their
garbage
and
their
lights
pick
up,
and
so
there's
no
interest
for
that
to
go
any
further.
C
So
I've
got
a
meeting
with
that
folks
on
march
the
7th,
because
there's
no
funding
anymore,
there's
no
garbage
pickup,
you
know
because
they
they
decided,
they
don't
want
to
do
it
anymore,
and
anybody
that
does
this
stuff
and
each
and
every
one
of
you
sitting
at
a
table
know
this.
It
requires
a
lot
of
work,
a
lot
of
unpaid
time.
A
lot
of
things
make
these
happen
and
also
when
you
consolidate
resources,
like
they've
done,
they
have
done
with
the
metro
government.
It
also
is
beneficial
and
brings
the
cost
down
on
what's
happening.
C
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
not
a
hundred
percent
happy
about
what
happens,
but
what
I
do
in
my
district
is,
I
work
daily.
Every
day
was
on
the
telephone
this
morning
about
getting
things
done
and
usually,
I
think,
through
persistence.
I
get
those
things
done.
So
this
bill
is
is
kind
of
it's
a
it's
kind
of
disguised.
I
think
it's
an
attempt
to
have
an
issue
I
used
to
my
fellow
friend
and
representative
downer.
It
is
a
war
on
louisville.
C
I
know
we
have
that
just
we
don't
agree
with
that,
but
the
bottom
line
is:
let's:
let's
take
these
energies
that
we
have,
especially
in
in
the
city
of
louisville,
in
the
in
the
areas
that
are
very
prosperous
and
the
other
areas
that
aren't
prosperous.
I'm
in
an
area.
That's
not
very
processed
same
group
of
people
they're
great
folks,
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
money
in
the
bank
account,
that's
not
their
fault,
but
the
bottom
line
is:
let's
take
these
energies
that
we
have
and
let's
work
together.
That's
a
wonderful!
C
C
I
don't
hear
anybody
saying
we're
not
willing
to
come
to
the
table
because
whenever
I
call
and
I'm
nobody
and
I
said
I'd
like
to
go
to
the
table-
and
it
may
not
be
the
week
that
I
want
to
go
but
they'll
find
time
for
me
and
I
make
sure
they
find
time-
and
I
know
each
and
every
one
of
us
that
are
legislators
are
very
capable
of
getting
your
message
across
and
your
point
across.
So
I
think
this
is
a
deterrent
to
in
the
city
of
louisville.
R
R
I
bet
you
that
the
jefferson
park
memorial
thing
that
you
care
so
much
about.
I
know
you
did.
We've
talked
about
it.
I
bet
that
would
have
been
funded
if
fairdale
were
incorporated,
arpa
dollars
would
go
to
transportation
products
in
fairdale.
They
ain't
going
to
now.
If
they
were
incorporated,
they
would
have.
I
bet
the
people
of
fairdale
had
they
known
that
they'd
be
supportive
of
it.
Thank
you.
R
D
C
C
Q
Q
R
Well,
it's
consolidated
local
government,
so
we
have
a
county.
The
city
of
louisville
took
over
the
services
for
the
the
city
and
the
county,
so,
for
example,
ems
was
one
that
we
would
might
suggest
in
oldham
county,
for
example,
another
county
I
represent.
The
ms
services
is
county-wide,
okay,
and,
and
so
they
also
provide
services
to
crestwood
if
it
in
lagrange,
which
is
the
county
seat.
If
if
they
had
a
merger
there,
then
the
grains
would
take
over
the
the
provision
of
services
to
the
entire
county.
Q
Q
Q
E
G
What
forbidden
means
I'm
going
through
the
venue
now
to
make
that
happen?
I
can't
go
to
the
metro,
council
or
the
mayor
of
louisville
to
incorporate.
I
have
when
I
say
I
fern
creek
high
view
have
no
right.
Fairdale
okolona
prp
have
no
right
to
incorporate
everybody
else
in
this
room
except
me,
and
him
can
do
that.
If
you
have
enough
citizens
willing
to
go
through
the
process,
there
is
no
process
in
louisville
and
it's.
Q
R
With
the
federal
funding,
for
example,
the
arpa
funds
would
go
to
the
cities
so
I'll.
Let
you
know
how
exist
right
now
so
middletown,
for
example,
middletown
received
arpa
funds
because
we're
an
incorporated
city,
whereas
fern
creek,
where
representative
brancher
lives,
didn't
receive
any
arpa
funds.
So
I
don't
know
that
there'll
be
more
dollars.
R
I
think
there
will
be
more
dollars
and
representative
mayor
john,
can
test
that,
because
douglas
hill's
got
some
federal
dollars,
also
the
projects
that
are
on
my
wish
list
and
on
representative
donahue's
wishlist
we
get
to
satisfy
because
of
my
city
to
get
the
money
they
don't
in
the
south
end,
and
so,
if
my
parks
get
messed
up,
we
take
care
of
them.
They
can't
in
the
south,
because
louisville
won't
do
it.
I
don't
think
it.
I
know
it
won't
reduce
federal
dollars,
it
may
increase
it.
Q
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
correct
maybe
a
missing
misinformation.
Representative
nemes
said
he
wishes.
The
mayor
of
louisville
had
been
sitting
here
with
him,
and
people
may
think
the
mayor
of
louisville
supports
this
legislation,
which
he
absolutely
does
not.
He
opposes
it,
so
he
said
it
twice.
I
wish
the
mayor
of
louisville
was
here
well,
the
mayor
just
got
noticed
yesterday
and
he
texted
me.
He
had
other
commitments
today,
but
we
do
have
a
letter
from
him.
H
I
am
writing
to
voice
my
strong
opposition
to
house
bill
314,
along
with
significant
fiscal
impacts,
and
if
you
look
peel
away
the
onion
every
bill
comes
down
to
money
and
it's
about
money
going
into
the
more
affluent
sections
of
louisville.
It
would
lay
the
groundwork
to
undo
our
incredibly
successful
city
county
merger.
H
P
Yes,
sir
briefly,
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
say
is:
when
you
talk
about
the
money,
the
affluent
money
I'm
paying
for
the
things
that
I
never
receive
and
you
will
see
from
the
picture
of
the
potholes
but
the.
But
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
this
is
not
an
internal
fight.
This
is
just
a
representation
of
making
things
fair.
P
I
have
great
metro
council
folks,
but
you
know
they're
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
aisle
as
me,
but
still
they
fight
for
the
things
that
they
ask
for
I
just
I
I
just
don't
understand,
and
I
do
understand
that
you
feel
like
the
loss
of
money
is
there,
there
is
no
loss
of
money,
it's
just
providing
the
services
to
the
folks
that
need
to
have
them.
Thank
you
and.
R
A
All
right
now
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
other
side.
I
think
council,
member
james,
councilmember,
hollander,
pat
marvel
hill
and
others
may
be
coming
forward.
If
you
all
would
please
come
up,
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record,
your
positions,
then
you
may
proceed
with
your
testimony
on
the
bill
as
well.
J
S
J
J
I
know
representative
marzian
mentioned
about
the
task
force
and
other
things
my
background
is.
I
was
an
assistant
county
attorney
when
merger
passed
and
that
was
in
2000,
my
boss,
at
the
timer
of
mace,
said
we
got
to
get
prepared
for
this
and
to
be
prepared
for
this.
We're
going
to
have
to
open
a
merger
transition
office,
so
rebecca
jackson,
who's,
the
county,
judge,
appointed
steve
haig,
so
steve
haag
and
I
worked
from
after
merger
pass
probably
the
beginning
of
o1
until
o3
sort
of
getting
prepared
for
a
brand
new
government.
J
So
I'm
intimately
familiar
with
that
new
government
and
how
it
was
passed,
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
the
issues
are
some
of
the
biggest
issues
to
really
to
address
here
today,
deal
with
annexation
and
the
new
incorporations
of
potential
cities
in
jefferson
county.
But
I
think
it's
important
to
note
this
contention
really
stems
from
a
long
time
ago,
not
now
not
in
2000.
J
This
general
assembly-
I
know
somebody
said
they
don't
want
to
have
to
settle
fights.
Well,
they
did
between
the
city
of
louisville
and
jefferson,
county
and
suburban
cities,
and
it
was
largely
over
annexation.
It
was
annexation
wars,
so
they
created
a
cooperative
compact,
it's
under
79
310
at
sea,
and
it's
all
about
how
these
two
entities
can
work
together
and
there's.
There
were
three
things
they
had
to
deal
with
annexation.
J
J
There
was
this
new
foreign
merged
government,
but
in
that
language,
which
created
that
it
was
intentional
to
to
basically
say
we
are
going
to
put
a
moratorium
on
annexations
and
there
was
no
provisions
for
new
incorporations,
but
all
was
not
lost,
because
the
bill
did
some
other
things
we
mentioned
here.
The
urban
services
districts.
People
say
what
is
that
those
are
the
boundary
limits
of
the
old
city
of
louisville
and
they
did
have
a
different
tax
structure
and
services.
J
So
that
was
kept
in
place,
but
those
anybody
who
wanted
to
petition
to
become
part
of
that
could
and
the
bill
as
the
law
sits
today.
Those
unincorporated
unincorporated
areas
that
exist
outside
the
urban
service
district,
who
want
those
exact
services,
could
petition
to
get
them.
Secondly,
there's
something
called
service
districts,
and
somebody
says
what
are
service
districts
well,
these
could
be
a
menu
of
items.
This
was
designed
to
be
a
la
carte
sort
of.
J
What
do
I
need
enhanced
police
sidewalks
street
lights,
and
it
was
thought
that
those
places
that
wanted
enhanced
services
or
wanted
the
services
all
could
create
a
service
district
pay,
a
tax
or
fee
and
have
those
that
currently
still
exists
today.
So
the
idea
that
you
have
to
have
new
cities-
I'm
not
sure
you
do
need
them
at
this
point,
given
that
there
are
alternatives
that
really
haven't
been
since
2003,
when
the
merged
government
have
been
used
or
have
have
come
into
being.
J
Now,
that's
not
saying:
there's
not
been
effort,
because
in
2015
there
was
a
committee
formed
at
the
council
to
look
at
these
very
issues
in
2014.
Let
me
step
back.
Annexation
started
and
in
2014
I
think
there
might
have
been
their
first
few.
The
metro
council's
dealt
with
several
annexations
and
to
my
knowledge
and
I'll,
ask
my
colleagues
here,
I
don't
think
any
of
them.
Well,
I
know
none
of
them
have
been.
J
None
of
them
have
been
rejected,
they've
all
been
accepted,
so
there
is
currently
still
a
way
to
annex
unincorporated
parts
of
jefferson
county
from
existing
cities,
but
the
thing
that
hadn't
never
been
used
was
service
districts.
So
there
was
a
committee
I
mean
there
was
lit
lots
of
memos
lots
of
criteria
established
and
there
was
talk
of
trying
to
use
a
sample
and
have
a
place
in
unincorporated
jefferson
county.
Who
would
make
use
of
this
provision?
J
There
was
hope
to
do
it
in
southern
jeff
southern
part
of
jefferson
county.
I
think
some
of
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about
today,
but
it
didn't
come
to
fruition.
I
don't
know
what
happened.
I
know
the
committee
tried.
I
know
there
were
council
members
who
encouraged
folks
to
do
this,
but
it
didn't
come
to
fruition,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
it
can't,
and
until
we
talk
about
new
incorporations,
I
think
we
should
use
those
things
that
exist
on
the
books
today
and
so
for
their.
J
Therefore,
as
far
as
that
part
of
the
law,
I
think
that
it's
it's
troubling
and
problematic
and
I
don't
think
we
want
to
go
back
to
predate
1986
when
you
get
into
annexation,
wars
and
other
things,
because
that
was
a
a
reality.
So,
with
those
remarks
I
would
ask
mr
chair
of
councilman
hollander
and
speak.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
committee
I
do
want
to
recognize
representative
marcion,
who
is
my
state
representative,
was
actually
chair
of
the
task
force
that
helped
put
together.
The
consolidated
local
government,
councilman
mobile
hill
outlined
the
history
of
our
consolidated
local
government
and
the
specific
inclusion
of
service
districts,
not
new
cities
as
ways
to
provide
additional
services.
D
I
want
to
talk
about
what
has
happened
in
the
last
eight
years.
I've
been
on
the
metro
council
since
2015,
and
that
year
I
served
as
vice
chair
of
a
committee
dealing
with
annexations
and
service
districts.
Republican
kelly
downard
was
the
chair
of
that
committee
on
a
bipartisan
basis.
The
committee
produced
a
way
of
evaluating
future
annexation
requests
which
were
allowed
for
the
first
time
that
year
and
we
discussed
the
creation
of
service
districts
when
and
if
requests
for
them
are
made.
D
No
one
has
requested
the
creation
of
a
service
district,
despite
the
specific
provision
in
the
law
that
you
passed
and
the
voters
approved
krs,
67
c
145,
which
allows
service
districts
to
provide
the
kind
of
services
that
you've
heard
talked
about
today,
and
there
have
been
discussions
among
council
members
and
the
public
about
encouraging
any
area
interested
in
one
of
those
service
districts
to
come
forward.
But
no
one
has
come
forward
now.
We
occasionally
hear
residents
in
unincorporated
unincorporated
areas
saying
they
would,
rather
their
taxes
go
to
their
neighborhood
than
to
the
county
government.
D
It's
important
to
listen
to
them
about
services,
but
it's
also
important
to
set
out
the
facts.
Here's
what
I
worry
about.
I
chair
the
council's
budget
committee
to
run
louisville
metro
government
and
provide
services
countywide
like
police,
the
county
jail,
the
county
health
department,
our
county
library
system,
county
planning
and
design
and
more.
D
We
rely
on
a
variety
of
revenue
streams,
including
insurance
premium
taxes
paid
by
people
in
the
old
city
of
louisville
and
unincorporated
areas.
Our
budget
for
those
taxes
this
year
is
right
at
70
million
dollars,
allowing
new
cities
to
be
created,
reduces
that
revenue
stream
to
louisville
metro
and
threatens
our
ability
to
provide
important
county-wide
services.
D
D
D
Most
importantly,
though,
I
hope
the
general
assembly
will
allow
louisville
to
have
a
broad
discussion
about
this
before
fundamentally
changing
the
nature
of
our
consolidated
local
government,
the
government,
so
many
people
work
so
hard
to
put
into
place
and
that
the
voters
approved
in
november
of
two
thousand
the
business
representatives
who
advocated
for
merger.
So
the
community
could
speak
with
one
voice
in
economic
development
matters.
For
example,
they
aren't
here
asking
that
the
system
be
changed.
D
Neither
the
metro
council
nor
the
administration
is
making
that
request
either.
Let's
have
a
broad
conversation
in
louisville
on
how
best
to
move
forward,
taking
into
account
the
long
overdue
changes
in
local
taxation.
I'm
so
grateful
to
chairman
meredith
for
advancing
we've
encouraged
legislators
in
this
body
to
join
us
in
that
conversation,
which
has
not
happened
in
our
council
in
our
business
community
or
in
louisville
at
large.
The
future
of
louisville
shouldn't
be
decided.
Without
that
conversation.
S
Mr
chair,
I
would
just
like
to
agree
with
everything
that
they
just
said,
but
also
think
about
a
few
things
in
order
to
create
consolidated
local
government
and
just
mr
representative
bentley,
when
you
were
asking
about
that
earlier,
consolidated
local
government
is
actually
we
eliminated
the
city
of
louisville
and
we
became
the
county
and
renamed
this
named.
It
metro
louisville,
is
how
louisville
metro
I'm
sorry
and
that's
how
that
worked.
K
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
As
I
look
at
this
and,
of
course,
I've.
I've
got
precincts,
I'm
in
lexington
fayette,
and
I
know
this
does-
does
not
apply
to
lexington
and
fayette.
However,
the
the
concept
in,
in
my
mind,
I
kind
of
kind
of
think
of
if
it
did
what
would
happen
there-
and
I
guess
my
question-
is
pretty
simplistic
in
terms
of
the
opposition
to
this.
K
D
D
There
are
other
ways
to
provide
those
services.
That's
what
67c
did
service
districts
are
allowed.
There
are
other
ways
to
provide
those
services
and
to
pay
for
them
with
real
estate.
Taxes
like
I
pay
for
services
in
the
urban
service
district
without
taking
revenue
away
from
louisville
metro
government
from
our
county-wide
government.
So
the
insurance
premium
tax,
as
I
said,
is
a
70
million
dollar
revenue
stream.
D
That's
at
risk,
as
more
cities
are
created,
we're
not
against
providing
the
services,
but
we
think
we
should
provide
them
in
the
way
that
the
ordinance
or
the
statute
that
that
was
approved
by
the
voters
said
they
could
be
provided
and
that's
through
service
districts
petitioned
by
the
people
and
and
again
we
haven't
seen
any
of
that.
So
a
follow-up.
K
If
I
could,
you
also
also
made
the
statement
that
not
one
person
has
come
and
and
asked
for
this.
Nobody
has
said
we
need
this,
so
I
guess
again.
My
question
is
why
the
opposition,
if,
if,
if
nobody,
has
asked
for
it
and
the
probability
of
this
happening,
may
be
low,
I'm
not
seeing
the
opposition
in
terms
of
why
there's
there's
a
staunch
opposition
to
it.
If
one
nobody
has
asked
for
it
and
two,
the
threshold
is
so
high.
D
And
I
would
just
say:
representative
donahue
talked
about
the
fact
that
eric
people
in
his
area
were
not
likely
to
be
able
to
do
this.
I
can
tell
you
if
we
lose
that
insurance
premium
tax
from
areas
that
are
able
to
do
this,
we'll
provide
fewer
services
to
representative
donahue's
area.
That's
one
reason:
I'm
against
it
and.
J
I'll
just
follow
up.
I
think
it's
beating
a
little
bit
of
the
same
drum,
but
you
don't
need
a
new
tool
if
you
haven't
used
existing
tools-
and
I
think
that's
the
issue-
is
we
have
existing
tools,
use
them
and
see
if
they
work?
If
they
don't
work,
then
you
come
back
and
look
at
maybe
this
alternative,
but
in,
but
but
not
even
using
the
tools
that
exist.
Why
do
you
need
a
new
tool?
I
mean
that's,
that's
where
I
think
and
with
the
risk
of
revenue.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good,
to
see
you
all.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
Obviously
you
all
know
I
served
there
for
a
bit
and
I
think
the
president
james
he
and
our
seat
mates
are
close
sitting
next
to
each
other.
I
want
to
ask
mr
holland
owner
a
question
since
you're
the
budget,
and
I
wanted
to
see
what
what
type
of
cost
accounting
system
or
approach
have
you
done
in
terms
of
studying
how
the
money
is
allocated
to
all
areas
of
the
of
the
county.
M
M
You
know
where,
where
you
know
where
other
services
are
provided
in
the
in
the
outside
of
that
area
versus
how
much
of
the
money
goes
to
urban
services
district,
and
I
appreciate
the
president
mentioned
that
you
know
the
louisville
has
sort
of
dissipated,
even
though
we
still
use
it.
But
it's
really.
It's
still
there,
because
it's
the
urban
services
district,
that's
the
line,
but
I
want
to
know
in
particular
because,
if
we're
looking
at
insurance
premiums
and
where
it's
coming
from
where
it's
going,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
have
a
cost
accounting
approach.
M
That's
out,
basically
on
a
piece
of
paper
that
we
can
say
who's
getting
what
who's
getting
aware,
because
when
I
was
on
the
council,
I
hardly
ever
got
money
to
my
district
in
terms
of
roads.
In
fact,
we
had
a
we
had
a
pool
and
councilman
james.
I
think
y'all
know
there
is
a
pool
of
of
council
members
that
we
had
to
look
at
allocating
money
to
in
order
to
help
out
with
our
road
system,
because
we
weren't
seeing
anything.
M
D
M
D
Know
we
have
approved
every
annexation.
That's
come
before
us.
What
this?
What
this
does
is
just
say.
You
have
no
discretion
anymore.
If
75
of
the
residents
want
the
want
the
annexation,
you
have
to
approve
it.
Even
if
it's
attached
to
a
large
commercial
area
would
whatever
you
know
you,
you
no
longer
have
any
discretion
to
look
at
or
to
evaluate
in
the
in
the
way
that
councilman
downard
and
I
came
up
with
how
we
should
evaluate
them
and
have
approved
every
one.
K
D
No,
sir,
that
that's
not
true,
there
was
one
approved
within
the
last
few
months
for
jeffersontown.
There
have
been
several
approved
and
what
was
that
it
was
a
fairly
large
subdivision.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
many
homes
were
involved,
but
there
was.
We
had
a
sensitive
discussion
about
that
and
there
we've
approved
some
in
my
in
my
district
for
st
matthews.
Everyone
has
been
approved.
K
Someone
earlier
said
follow
the
money
and
I
think
it
was
representative
margie-
and
I
think
that's
really
what
this
is
about.
Merger
has
only
benefited
those
inside
the
old
city
of
louisville.
I
would
challenge
anybody
to
prove
otherwise.
The
growth
rate
of
jefferson
county
ranks
26th
in
the
count
in
the
state
26th.
This
is
our
largest
city.
K
K
Police,
as
others
have
said,
representative
nemes
has
said,
are
under
great
stress
in
jefferson,
county
and
they've.
In
my
experience,
which
is
goes
back
12
years,
it's
been
concentrated
more
and
more
and
more,
as
officers
are
pulled
out
of
the
divisions
into
the
central,
the
old
city,
which
is
roughly
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
with
jefferson
county.
It's
basically,
the
largest
part
of
it
is
inside
the
watterson
expressway.
K
Crime
has
soared
crime.
I've
polled
my
constituents
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
and
as
to
what
the
number
one
issue
is
and
never
before
has
crime
been
in
the
top
four
issues.
It's
always
been,
the
normal
roads,
business
jobs,
health
crime
is
number
one
by
a
far
margin.
Now
merger
could
not
pass
today.
That
is,
if
anybody
tells
you
that
they
are
lying
to
you,
merger
could
not
pass.
Today.
K
K
Which
provides
police
protection
the
six
thousand
limit?
There
are
only
four
jefferson
county
cities
outside
of
metro
itself
that
have
that
are
larger
than
six
thousand
and
they
all
have
police
protection,
because
that's
what
citizens
want
right
now?
They
are
they're
afraid
of
crime
right
now
and
to
deny
citizens
the
right
to
have
better
police
protection,
because
every
time,
every
time
a
new
dollar
shows
up-
and
it's
largely
provided
by
these
areas
in
terms
of
the
growth,
because
they
are
the
most
growing
areas
of
of
the
county.
K
E
Gotta
get
this
button
off.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
a
native
of
lexington
and
it
appears
to
me
two
things.
One
is
that
when
louisville
did
its
merge
government,
a
mess
was
created
by
not
incorporating
the
whole
county
into
merged
government.
I
don't
know
all
the
particulars,
but
if
it's
second
thing
I
see
is
that
this
is
a
matter
that
should
be
dealt
with
in
in
jefferson,
county,
louisville,
jefferson,
county.
E
R
Representative,
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
The
problem
is,
we
can't
have
this
conversation
in
louisville
with
respect
to
whether
or
not
to
incorporate
new
cities,
because
state
law
prohibits
it.
All
we're
doing
is
removing
the
prohibition
on
state
law
and
letting
the
communication
in
louisville
go
forward,
and
if
75
of
that
area
wants
it,
then
we
can
get
it
also.
I
want
to
know
just
real
quickly.
R
My
good
friends
here-
and
these
guys
are-
are
really
good
man
they're
trying
to
do
what
they
think
is
best
representing
their
constituents
but
democr.
There
is
at
least
one
democrat
that
I've
spoken
with.
That's
in
my
area
in
the
suburban
area,
who
doesn't
agree,
and
neither
do
the
other,
suburban
democrats
or
councilmen
that
I
have
spoken
with
on
the
incorporation
question.
R
They
all
three
great
men
doing
what's
best
for
the
constituent,
all
three
come
from
inside
the
watterson.
This
is
not
a
unified
question.
Leave
the
question
to
louisville,
but
in
order
to
do
that,
the
statute
has
to
be
changed.
That's
all
we're
asking
for
let
louisvillians
decide,
but
right
now
they
want
frankfurt
to
decide,
not
louisville.
We
want
louisville
to
decide,
but
the
state
law
has
to
change
in
order
for
that
to
happen.
A
H
Representative
jenkins
and
several
of
us
have
a
resolution
to
create
a
task
force
in
louisville
to
bring
people
to
the
table.
That's
what
we
did
for
the
2000
merger.
We
brought
all
of
the
citizens
to
the
table:
the
small
cities,
the
the
league
of
cities,
the
business
folks,
the
state
reps
constituents.
H
It
was
a
about
a
50-member
task
force.
It
was
quite
large,
but
that's
how
this
should
work
as
you
get
everyone
together,
you
iron
out
your
differences,
and
then
you
bring
it
to
frankfurt
with
everyone's
approval,
so
that
everybody
feels
good
about
the
piece
of
legislation.
That's
going
to
be
best
for
jefferson
county.
H
Q
A
few
years
ago,
mr
chairman,
nashua
and
louisville
were
the
same
size.
I
think
today,
nashville
is
larger
for
some
reason,
which
me
being
from
the
county
and
reuters.
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
know
that
when
people
are
forbidden
to
improve
themselves
in
this
country,
that's
wrong
and
when
people
who
are
voted
into
office,
don't
have
a
right
to
vote
on
impeachment,
that's
wrong,
so
we
need
due
process
for
these
bill
people,
and
maybe
the
task
force
is
right,
but
I
vote
yes
today.
C
M
I
was
trying
to
get
more
into
particular
in
terms
of
percentage
and
so
forth.
So
I
know
y'all.
Your
heart
is
in
in
the
right
place.
I
wish
we
had
this
like
any
type
of
launch
of
a
new
product
or
service.
You
have
a
review.
We
should
have
done
this
back
in
2010,
2011
2012
and
I
was
there.
You
know-
and
I
know
we
talked
about
it,
but
we
didn't
do
anything
about
it,
but
I
think
we
need
to
go.
M
E
E
I
think
one
issue
a
lot
of
folks
have
been
very
displeased
with
the
current
mayoral
administration
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
seeing
has
been
because
of
that,
but
I
believe
that
this
issue
was
something
that
the
people
of
louisville
need
to
be
talking
about
and
deciding,
and
I
would
also
like
to
see
better
communication
with
our
metro
council
members
and
our
elected
officials
on
the
state
level.
Thank
you.