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Secondly,
last
week
we
had
a
little
dust
up
so
to
speak,
and
somebody
was
acting
less
than
professional
and
I
was
going
to
have
them
removed
and
luckily
that
situation
dissolved
itself,
but
I
will
say
that
if
anybody
acts
in
this
committee
room
with
incivility,
they
will
not
be
presenting
before
this
committee.
I
just
want
people
to
know
that.
A
Thirdly,
on
the
phones
we've
told
this
every
meeting,
but
put
them
to
silent
if
you
can
or
vibrate
mode
because
they
interfere
with
the
equipment
and
the
mics
pick
up
things
and
it
causes
a
problem
with
the
recording
of
the
meeting
that
should
be
about
it.
So
with
that
we'll
get
started,
we
have
four
bills
on
for
today,
I'll
go
through
that
momentarily.
But
for
now,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
C
B
A
Here
in
the
room
we
do
have
a
quorum.
We
are
going
to
take
four
bills
up
today.
We're
gonna
go
a
little
bit
of
out
of
order
on
our
agenda
to
try
to
get
people
to
meetings
where
they
need
to
be
so
we're
going
to
start
with
house
bill
402
sponsored
by
representative
fraser
gordon.
If
you
can
make
your
way
up-
and
this
has
been
commonly
referred
to
as
the
fertility
fraud
bill,
and
so
you
may
get
seated,
introduce
your
guest
and
then
proceed.
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H
A
In
front
of
there,
but
I
think
they
would
ignore
them
too,
but
we
try
to
make
sure
the
green
light's
on
and
they're
close
enough
to
you,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
pick
up
this
very
exciting
testimony.
So
please
proceed
okay,.
H
I
would
like
to
give
acknowledgement
to
representative
richard
white
who
originally
filed
this
bill
and
he's
unable
to
be
here
and
so
we're
all
wishing
and
praying
for
speedy
recovery,
but
I
did
want
to
acknowledge
him
before
I
began
the
bill
before
you
today
relates
to
fertility
fraud,
deception,
whereby
a
doctor
made
the
decision
decades
ago
between
1940s
to
1990s
to
use
a
fresh
sample
of
his
own
sperm
to
inseminate
female
patients,
but
inform
the
patient
that
he
would
use
sperm
from
either
the
woman's
own
husband
or
from
an
anonymous
medical
student.
H
The
deception
is
then
discovered
decades
later,
when
an
adult
child
conceived
to
this
procedure
learns
through
direct-to-consumer
genetic
tests
such
as
23andme,
ancestry.com,
etc
of
kinship
relations
to
the
doctor's
relatives
or
half
sibling
groups.
Some
doctors
have
also
proceeded
to
examine
their
own
adult
daughters,
who
do
not
know
that
the
doctor
is
also
their
father.
H
This
makes
one
ask
who
would
do
such
a
thing?
There
are
no
universal
reasons
why
physicians
chose
to
commit
these
wrongs.
Some
have
said
they
did
so
to
help
desperate
parents.
Some
have
offered
that
it
was
an
attempt
to
make
restitution
for
providing
past
abortions,
some
needed
the
money
or
some
cited
as
reason
that
their
dna
is
superior
to
others
and
a
desire
to
pass
on
their
genetic
material.
H
A
We
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
and
we
have
a
second
who
who
made
the
motion
hevron
and
a
second.
By.
Did
you
get
it
lewis?
Okay,
we
do
have
a
couple
people
that
have
signed
up
to
speak,
I'm
not
sure
in
what
capacity,
but
we
certainly
will
allow
that.
So,
if,
if
we
would
like,
if
you
would
let
them
speak
if
they're,
not
if
they're
satisfied,
that's
fine,
but
first
we
have
a
jody.
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D
E
A
E
Thank
you.
I
just
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
just
a
little
while
ago
that
you
know
there's
there's
more
common
deception
when
it
comes
to
donors
lying
about
medical
history
or
background
information
or
education,
and
I'm
just
hopeful
that
you'll
be
able
to
to
speak
to
those
to
maybe
broaden
the
parameters
of
this
legislation
as
well.
So
I'm
a
yes
for
today.
Thank
you.
D
A
Representative
decker:
do
you
want
to
record
a
vote
on
this?
Okay
as
soon
as
you
get
settled
I'll,
let
you
count.
A
While
we're
waiting
on
the
count,
I
will
say
there
is
someone
in
the
room
that
worked
very
hard
on
this
bill.
I
don't
know
if
she
would
like
to
make
any
comments,
but
we
have
mackenzie
williams
here
in
the
room
that
has
worked
diligently
with
representative
fraser
gordon
on
this
bill,
and
there
have
been
many
conversations
had.
So
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
to
say
anything
all
right.
So
with
that
before
we
proceed
with
the
total
count
I'll
ask
representative
decker.
If
you'd
like
to
record
a
vote.
A
And
representative
cantrell
same
thing,
would
you
like
to
record
a
vote?
A
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
on
civility
because
I
have
given
up
cursing
for
lent.
So,
hopefully
I
will
be
appropriate
in
front
of
today's
committee,
but
my
name
is
julie.
Rocky
adams
and
I
represent
senate
district
36,
and
we
are
here
today
to
present
senate
bill
38
and
basically
the
genesis
of
this
bill
is
that
we
are
right
now.
If
you
are
convicted
of
incest,
you
only
have
to
serve
15
of
your
sentence
and
so
we're
moving
it
into
a
different
statute.
C
D
C
C
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A
Yes,
there
being
18,
yes,
votes,
zero,
no
votes
and
zero
pass.
The
same
will
be
reported
with
favorable
expression
that
the
same
should
pass
on
the
house
floor.
Thank
you
and
I'm
sorry
we
didn't.
Would
you
like
to
say
anything
if
anything
we
learned
here
is
if
you're
winning
be
quiet
all
right?
Next,
we
will
proceed
to
house
bill
20,
which
is
representative
freeland,
and
I
will
say,
as
he's
coming
forward.
I
know
this
bill
has
been
in
process
probably
for
eight
to
ten
years
and
has
gone
on
and
been
brought
in
in
various
capacities.
A
J
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
This
is
a
bill
as,
as
the
chairman
said,
has
been
in
existence
for
a
while,
and
it's
one
that
we
have
worked
with
the
kentucky
veterinarian:
veterinarians
association,
different
hunting
and
ag
groups
to
make
this
bill
workable
for
kentucky,
and
I
I'm
proud
to
say,
I've
got
52
co-sponsors
on
this
bill.
Many
in
the
in
this
room
right
here,
and
I
think
it's
a
simple
ask
it's
one
that
is
needed.
J
Since
then,
dog
fighting
bestiality
have
also
been
separated
from
the
animal
cruelty
laws
from
class,
a
misdemeanors
to
class
d
felonies,
and
this
bill
hb
20
or
the
committee
substitute,
simply
adds.
The
definition
expands
on
the
definition
of
what
torture
is,
and
it
adds
to
that.
The
intentional
gross
neglect
of
an
animal-
and
it
specifies
cats
or
dogs
and
kind
of
the
case
that
has
gotten
worse.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative
freeland,
just
one
question:
what
changed
between
the
original
sub
and
or
the
original
bill
in
the
sub.
J
It
had
adequate
shelter,
we
defined
what
shelter
was
better
and
also
the
restraint
it's
it
was
tightened
up
the
language
to
because
you
know
dogs
are
in
kennels
and
we
don't
want
any
any
ambiguity
with
that.
So
this
is
if
a
dog
is
is
basically
strapped
down
to
where
it
can't
stand
up
turn
around
move.
That's
that
would
be
considered
restraint.
J
Also,
I
might
add
that
we
put
in
there
and
this-
and
this
was
probably
needed
in
the
original
bill
too-
that
this
would
be
added
to
the
current
legislative
current
bill.
It
says
breed
specific
alterations
such
as
cropping
of
ears,
docking
of
tails,
declawing,
a
cat
or
anything
done
by
a
veterinarian.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
would
not
be
included
or
would
be
included.
I
should
say.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
have
you
spoken
with
any
of
the
the
hounds
houndsmen's
group.
J
C
One
more
question:
please
I'm
just
reading
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
accomplish
what
you
are
trying
to
accomplish,
but
we're
also
not
creating
a
crime
for
somebody
unintentionally,
one
of
the
things
on
line
10
of
page
one.
It
talks
about
electrocute
so,
and
I
bring
that
up,
because
there
are
many
many
places
that
sells
pet
supplies.
C
Even
that
sells
systems
where
you
place
them
like
in
your
yard,
sure
to
where,
if
they
cross
that
they
have
a
little
shock
that
hits
them
that
could
be
defined
as
electrocuting
and
that's
going
to
make
somebody
who's
trying
to
train
their
their
dog
not
to
leave
their
premises.
Is
that
going
to
make
that
a
crime?
I
mean
it.
J
Right,
I
understand
your
question.
I
had
that
same
question
as
well,
and
actually
what
that
is
included
in
is
is
already
in
federal
law,
and
it's
not
what
you're
referring
to,
though
this
only
time
that
would
be
a
crime
is,
if
you
tied
down
a
dog
and
put
that
on
it
and
amped
it
up
to
where
it
killed
the
dog.
You
know
it
was
be
intentional.
That's
that's.
The
word
is
the
intentional
abuse
of
an
animal.
J
A
I
D
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A
F
F
Yes,
I
was
in
committee
local
government
when
we
voted
on
those
I've
reviewed.
Those
documents
talked
with
the
sponsor
and
I'm
registering
a
yes
vote
on
senate
bill
38
and
a
yes
vote
on
house
bill.
402.
G
A
I
will
say,
and
as
I
address
this
committee,
that
this
bill
has
been
in
process-
this
is
the
fourth
year.
This
started
my
first
year
here
in
frankfurt
with
representative
petry,
and
we
have
worked
with
many
groups
and
there
have
been
multiple
meetings
to
include
but
not
limit
county
attorneys,
title
companies,
bankers,
lawyers
of
all
kinds
and
groups.
I
believe
we've
even
had
talks
with
the
uniform
code
per
person.
G
D
Representative
scott,
thank
you
so
much
representative.
This
is
only
my
second
year
on
the
committee,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
bill
does.
I
haven't
heard
it
before.
I.
A
I
can
tell
you
pretty
easily
what
it
does
it
allows
somebody
and
it
at
the
top
of
our
notes.
We
that
we've
utilized
for
all
of
our
meetings.
It
does
not
apply
to
seller
judgment
liens.
It
applies
only
to
liens
against
the
purchaser,
so
we
are
trying
to
encourage
persons
to
be
able
to
purchase
homes
that
would
allow
that
purchase
money,
security,
interest
to
be
moved
to
the
front
of
the
line
and
allow
that
purchase
to
proceed.
A
What
it
also
does
is
for
people
that
might
have
judgment
liens,
but
they
don't
have
them
against
any
property.
They
just
have
a
lien,
a
judgment
against
the
person.
This
would
allow
them
to
secure
that
lien
against
a
piece
of
property
so
that
they
may
be
able
to
actually
collect
the
debt
that
is
owed.
So
that's
why
we
work
so
closely
with
the
title
companies
with
the
the
lawyers
with
the
county
attorneys
the
people
that
are
collecting
taxes,
all
of
those
kind
of
things
we
had
to
work
out
all
those
nooks
and
crannies.
A
Frankly,
this
is
not
a
a
well-practiced
area
of
law
by
most
attorneys.
So
what
happens?
Is
you
deal
with
real
estate
attorneys
and
you
deal
with
title
companies
and
things
like
that,
so
we've
had
multiple
meetings.
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out,
I
already
did
kind
of,
but
to
representative
petery
who
took
on
this
very
arduous
task
four
years
ago
and
assisted
me
in
bringing
it
to
fruition,
which
is
what
is
here
today.
A
We
sent
an
email
out
about
10
days
ago
to
all
of
the
people
that
participated
and
one
of
those
that,
ironically,
wasn't
copied
on
the
bill
reached
out
to
me
today.
We
had
them
talk
to
chairman
meredith.
That's
also
been
involved
because
he's
with
the
bankers
groups
and
they
sat
down
with
him
and
I
think
that
resolved
their
concerns.
So
we
got
emails
back
in
response
that
they
were
favoring
this
bill
and
they
think
it's
good
for
kentucky
and
it's
good
for
the
circumstance
of
allowing
people
to
purchase
homes.