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C
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A
We
do
have
a
quorum
and
can
conduct
business.
Today
we
have
one
bill
on
our
agenda
that
is
Senate
Bill,
7
Senator
Mills.
If
you'll
come
forward,
I
think
representative
Bray
will
be
with
you.
If
both
of
you
all
could
just
introduce
yourselves
and
then
we
do
have
a
committee
substitute
for
Senate
Bill,
seven
we'll
adopt
that
and
then
after
we've
adopted
that
you
can
base
your
explanations
on
the
sub
going.
F
A
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
this
representative
Lockett
and
then
I
got
a
second
I
think
from
representative
Huff,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed,
no,
no
Senator,
Mills
and
representative
Bray.
If
you
all
can
begin
your
discussion
now,
based
on
the
sub
very.
F
Good
Senate,
Bill
7
is
simply
designed
to
stop
the
practice
of
public
employee
unions
from
using
taxpayer-funded
payroll
systems
to
collect
political
contributions
and
union
dues
from
its
members.
State
law
prohibits
us
as
legislators
from
using
public
funds,
time
and
Personnel
for
partisan
campaign
activity.
The
same
standard
should
apply
to
all
public
agencies.
F
Public
employers
should
be
focused
on
using
taxpayer
resources
for
the
public
agency's
core
Mission,
not
upon
collecting
political
contributions
and
passing
them.
Along
to
political
action
committees,
several
courts
have
ruled,
including
the
U.S
Supreme
Court,
that
there
is
no
constitutional
right
to
a
payroll
deduction
system
for
political
fundraising,
section
four
of
this
bill
and
sub
does
grandfather
existing
collective
bargaining
agreements,
so
this
prohibition
will
not
affect
going
to
effect
until
the
existing
collective
bargaining
agreements
expire.
Mr
chairman
this
bill
does
not
prohibit
the
practice
of
collective
bargaining
between
unions
and
public
agencies.
F
This
bill
does
not
prohibit
public
employee
unions
from
communicating
with
their
members
regarding
political
issues
of
importance
to
them
and
finally,
Mr
chairman
this
bill
does
not
prohibit
public
employees
from
contributing
to
political
action
committees.
They
can
freely
exercise
their
First
Amendment
right
to
contribute
with
a
check
or
credit
card.
F
C
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me?
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
guys,
I'm
kind
of
ripping
through
this
real,
quick
trying
to
figure
out
what's
been
added.
Could
you
explain
all
the
specific
differences
between
the
original
version
and
what's
been
handed
us
this
morning,
absolutely.
E
So
in
the
original
version
there
were
several
more
prohibitions
in
it.
Those
were
removed,
for
instance,
the
First
Amendment
Clause
that
would
had
to
have
been
handed
to
each
employee
that
that
was
removed.
The
prohibition
that
would
require
the
union
member
to
opt
in
every
year
on
an
annual
basis
that
was
removed
because
once
the
relationship
is
between
the
member
and
and
the
labor
organization,
government
shouldn't
interfere
with
that.
The
idea
behind
the
bill
is
to
remove
government
from
that
process.
E
A
C
E
It's
not
a
combination.
No
sir,
the
the
mechanism
is
is
different.
There
have
been
different
compromises
with
different
organizations
made
through
that
and
between
the
different
bodies.
A
C
You
may,
in
your
in
your
opinion,.
F
Well,
I,
you
know
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
actually
to
get
political
contributions
out
of
the
public
sector
and
using
the
mechanism
that
that
is
the
payroll
deduction
system
out
we're
not
able
to
do
that
as
a
legislator
and
throughout
state
government.
We
believe
it
should
be
all
throughout
public
agencies.
That's
my
goal
of
this
of
this
bill.
A
F
A
A
H
A
A
I
A
I
Thank
you,
chair
Weber,
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
just
want
to
point
out.
We
Kea
represents
over
43
000
active
teachers
and
education
support
Professionals
in
every
Community
all
across
the
Commonwealth,
and
we
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
My
comments
were
focused
mostly
on
seven
before
there
was
a
committee
sub
that
came
in
right
before
so
we're
in
the
process
of
looking
to
that.
I
I
would
love
to
be
here
testifying
today
about
how,
over
160
years,
we
have
advocated
for
public
education,
how
we
elect
Representatives
throughout
our
association
to
make
decisions
on
our
governing
bodies.
How
we
would
like
to
work
together,
hand
in
hand
to
make
sure
that
public
education
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
is
a
great
experience
and
individualized
for
every
student
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
But
that's
not
an
issue
that
we're
focused
on
today.
I
As
I've
said
in
previous
testimonies,
no
educator
is
forced
to
join
Kea
Educators,
make
an
informed
decision
to
voluntarily
join
Kea
and
how
to
spend
their
hard-earned
money.
Senate
Bill
7,
as
I,
knew
it
focused
primarily
on
the
pack
donations.
Evidently,
it's
now
with
holding
all
dues
deductions
from
a
system
when
an
educator
chooses
Kea,
they
can
choose
whether
or
not
they
want
to
donate
to
pack.
It
is
not
required.
It
is
not
connected
to
their
dues.
It
is
a
personal
decision,
just
like
any
other
financial
decision
that
an
adult
makes
on
a
daily
basis.
I
Members
can
leave
Kea
whenever
they
want
to.
They
can
stop
contributions
to
our
pack
anytime.
They
want
to.
They
simply
do
that
by
notifying
us
directly
in
writing
or
they
notify
their
employer
directly.
Current
Law
requires
that
employees,
employees
to
authorize
all
voluntary
payroll
deductions
in
writing
and
also
allows
them
to
end
those
voluntary
payroll
payroll
deductions.
I
In
the
same
way,
we
Kea
promptly
honors
those
requests
at
the
as
soon
as
we
can
when
we
receive
them,
and
many
school
districts
allow
Educators
to
utilize
payroll
deduction
for
a
variety
of
other
purposes,
Beyond
just
paying
their
Association
or
union
dues,
the
process
of
dues
deduction
or
any
deduction
from
a.
I
Sorry,
the
process
of
Deuce
deductions
or
any
deduction
for
that
matter
has
been
allowed
for
decades
by
this
legislature.
It
is
a
simple
keystroke
that
is
done
through
an
automatic
payroll
system.
At
the
district
level,
it
is
a
district
decision,
it
is
a
local
decision,
Kea
uses
no
state
or
local
employees
to
solicit
or
Force
contributions
or
the
joining
of
Kea.
I
In
addition,
this
bill
contains
an
emergency
clause
and
I
think
Mary.
If
you
correct
me,
there
is
emergency
clause
on
the
current
one.
Yep,
there's
no
legitimate
reason
why
there
should
be
an
emergency
clause
on
this
bill.
I
I
Kentucky
educators
are
the
one
of
the
most
highly
skilled
Ali
degree
to
workforces
in
the
Commonwealth
they're
well
informed
about
their
professions
and
they're
involved
in
engaged.
Voters
Educators
make
hundreds,
perhaps
thousands
of
decisions
to
further
their
primary
purpose
of
providing
Kentucky's
Public
Schools
students
with
a
quality
public
education
every
single
day,
all
across
the
Commonwealth
Kentucky
Citizens
Trust
Educators,
to
make
decisions
for
their
students
that
they
serve.
I
J
You
know
we
just
got
this
a
few
minutes
ago,
but
it
is
clearly
targeted
at
the
Kentucky
Education
Association
by
carving
out
cops
and
firefighters
and
the
other
entities
that
are
described
in
here,
I,
don't
believe,
I
know,
I,
can't
and
I,
don't
think
anybody
in
the
room
can
name
another
public
education
and
public
labor
organization
that
meets
the
definitions
in
here.
J
It
also
says
in
the
emergency
Clause.
The
Commonwealth
has
a
compelling
and
immediate
interest
in
avoiding
the
appearance
that
public
resources
are
being
used
to
support,
partisan
political
activity.
An
emergency
is
declared
to
exist.
That
makes
a
lot
of
assumptions
about
how
the
money
that
we
have
collected
for
pack
or
years
has
been
used.
I
will
point
out
that
that
money
has
gone
to
both
sides
of
the
aisle
it
went
to
both
sides
of
the
aisle.
As
recently
as
just
a
few
months
ago,
checks
were
made
out
to
caucus.
J
We
routinely
endorse
both
Democratic
and
Republican
candidates
for
office.
It
is
inexplicable
to
me
why
there
is
suddenly
an
emergency
about
this,
but
it
is
also
apparent
to
me
that
this
is
targeted
at
us
for
reasons
that
we,
frankly
just
don't
understand
so.
C
D
That
in
2022,
the
National
Education
Association
had
made
a
proposal
that
they
would
change
in
their
contract,
the
term
birthing,
parent
and
interchange,
that
for
the
term
or
the
word
mother.
So
they
would
take
mother
out
and
put
birthing
parent
into
their
contract
and
looks
like
they
came
back
and
and
did
something
in
pulling
that
back
is.
Is
that
term?
Has
that
been
changed
in
the
contract
that
you
all
have
with
teachers?
So.
J
J
The
National
Education
Association
is
the
overarching
organization.
There
are
separate
State
Affiliates
within
Kentucky.
There
are
local
districts
that
do
have
contracts
with
their
employees.
That
is
not
the
case
everywhere.
It
is
the
case
in
a
few
instances,
I
believe
what
you're
referring
to,
although
I
don't
know
what
you're
looking
at
is
the
National
Organization
once
a
year
has
a
conference
what
they
call
a
representative
assembly
during
that
representative
assembly.
Much
like
during
this
assembly.
Lots
of
ideas
come
up.
People
make
proposals
about
what
resolutions
and
what
policy
positions
the
organization
should
take.
J
Those
are
voted
on
by
the
members
who
are
present
some
pass,
some
don't,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
Kentucky
Education
Association
adopts
those.
We
don't
have
any
obligation
to
do
that.
We
don't
always
do
that
and
we
push
back
when
we
think
it's
appropriate.
So
I'm
I,
don't
know
what
you're
looking
at,
but
I
can
assure
you.
There
is
no
contract
between
us
and
the
National
Education
Association.
That
says
such
a
thing.
J
K
I
K
Okay
and
so
within
your
organization,
is
there
any
differentiation
between
the
Kentucky
Education
Association
in
the
pack?
If
both
of
you
are
involved
in
the
activities
of
both,
how
are
you
able
to
differentiate
your
duties
when
you're
involved
in
both
of
those
organizations.
J
In
the
same
way
that
candidates
differentiate
between
themselves
and
their
political
fundraising,
so
the
pack
is
a
separate
entity.
It
was
created
years
ago.
It
is
separate,
and
apart
from
Kea,
it
is
governed
by
a
kref.
We
make
regular
reports
to
craft.
That's
always
been
the
case,
I'm
involved
in
it
only
to
the
extent
that
it
operates
within
the
purview
of
the
Kentucky
Education
Association,
like
all
other
packs,
operate
within
somebody's
Administration.
I
L
Thank
you,
chairman
I'd,
like
to
ask
two
questions.
If
I
may,
all
right
I
was
curious.
As
you
see
it
does.
Does
this
bill
before
you
today
limit
those
you
represent
from
from
organizing
assembling
collectively
bargaining
in
any
way.
J
Can
tell
you
that
keypack
spent
zero
dollars
in
the
recent
election
in
Jefferson
County.
That
is
a
misunderstanding
perpetrated
by
people
outside
of
this
entity.
Jcta
is
one
of
our
locals,
but
it
has
its
own
separate
pack
approved
by
kref
decades
ago.
That
pack
is
called
better
schools.
Kentucky
they
operate
within
Jefferson
County
key
pack
operates
in
the
rest
of
the
state.
We
did
not
spend
any
money
on
the
Jefferson
County
School,
Board,
races.
H
J
J
So
per
member,
that's
about
what
gets
sent.
J
H
J
J
Don't
because
no
Kea
money
does
that
they're
members
of
the
national
state
and
local,
where
that's
appropriate
and
where
they
have
a
local
and
they
have
the
same
access
to
information
about
Nea
that
everybody
does
there's
990s,
there's
Public
public
filings.
They
can
participate
in
governance
in
both
the
state
and
National
levels
and
and
all
members.
We
don't
keep
anything
from
the
members
about
what
goes
on.
H
G
J
Roughly
the
amount
local
our
locals
set
their
own
dues,
so,
for
instance,
the
dues
in
Jefferson
County
are
different
than
the
dues
in
Floyd
County.
So.
G
But
just
a
ballpark
right
right
and
so
out
of
that
on
your
website
said
that
30
of
that
600
or
whatever
goes
to
the
pack
right.
So
if
you've
got
43
000
members
times
thirty
dollars,
that's
1.3
million
dollars
and
to
show
that
you
all
just
gave
a
hundred
thousand
to
the
Brashear
campaign
so
that
Lee
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
this
year,
Campaign,
which
leaves
you
1.2
million
left
for
pack,
where's
that
other
money
go
so.
J
Representative
bratcher,
that
is
way
overstated,
because
the
only
people
that
we
collect
pack
money
from
by
payroll
deduction
are
the
members
who
opt
into
Kea
membership.
And
if
you
look
at
our
craft
report,
there's
about
I,
don't
even
know
the
number
10
or
12
000
people
who
donate
to
pack,
the
retired
members
don't
donate
to
pack
by
payroll
deduction
because
they
don't
have
payroll.
So
that's
that's.
G
J
M
Thank
you
chairman.
Can
you
all
explain
what
the
voluntary
versus
mandatory
nature
of
opting
into
these
contributions
is
and
what
the
process
is
for
individuals
who
don't
agree
in
terms
of
the
disclosure
of
where
these
contributions
go
like?
What
is
the
process
right
now
in
terms
of
how
individuals
contribute
and
when
and
how
can
they
opt
out.
J
So
members
choose
membership
and
in
choosing
membership
they
can
also
choose
to
opt
out
of
contributing
to
keypack,
and
that's
done
by
simply
checking
a
box
on
the
on
the
membership.
When
there
used
to
be
a
paper
membership.
For
me,
you
checked
a
box.
Now
you
can
check
a
box
on
our
digital
form
and
opt
out,
so
you
can
be
a
Kea
member
and
choose
to
not
contribute
to
the
pack
and
that
carries
with
it
no
problem
from
our
end.
Only
about
half
of
our
members
choose
to
contribute
to
pack
and
that's
fine.
J
Right
so
we
we
make
the
required
filings
with
craft
quarterly
that
lists
every
penny
that
is
spent
by
keypack,
and
if
a
member
who
is
contributing
to
keypack,
wants
to
participate
in
the
keypad
governance
structure,
they
need
only
stand
for
election
and
get
themselves
elected
up
through
the
governance
structure.
To
do
that
and.