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A
A
A
President,
we
do
have
a
quorum.
Would
please
stand
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
C
Yes,
mr
chair,
please
bow
with
me
dear
heavenly
father
god,
lord.
We
just
thank
you
today
for
the
sunshine
we
thank
you
that
we're
all
here.
We
just
ask
that
you
watch
over
members
that
aren't
with
us
today
for
reasons
of
sickness
or
personal
reasons,
god
be
with
them
heavenly
father
in
this
committee.
We
also
want
to
acknowledge
and
ask
your
blessing
for
our
veterans.
Lord
just
be
with
them.
Watch
over
them
help
them
with
all
the
many
issues
that
they
deal
with
and
bless
their
families
as
well
god.
A
A
This
bill
very
simply
allows
that,
if
volunteer
fire
departments
well,
any
fire
department
that
merges
with
another
is
allowed
to
retain
the
eleven
thousand
dollars
in
assistance
offered
by
the
fire
commission
and
if
an
item
is
as
long
as
as
they
continue
to
function
as
a
as
a
department,
and
the
reason
for
this
is
particularly
rural
communities.
We're
seeing
more
and
more
difficulties
in
trying
to
recruit,
volunteer
fire
departments
sustaining
those.
A
I
know
in
one
of
the
counties
in
my
district
breckenridge
county
that
I
believe
cloverport
does
not
have
enough
people
to
sustain
their
fire
department
and
possibly
be
merged
with
another,
but
again
just
to
provide
some
ongoing
financial
assistance
to
these
smaller
communities.
But
again
I
have
a
guest
here.
I'd
ask
him
to
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
if
you
would
speak
on
behalf
of
the
bill.
D
D
Senator
189
gives
an
incentive
to
volunteer
fire
departments
to
merge
instead
of
closing
their
doors
due
to
the
declining
number
of
volunteer
firefighters,
fire
departments
are
struggling
to
meet
the
required
minimum
number
of
firefighters
to
be
recognized
by
the
fire
commission,
as
a
fire
department
to
receive
state
aid.
This
bill
would
help
resolve
that
problem.
D
This
bill
would
also
reduce
the
purchase
of
duplication
and
apparatus.
What
happens
nowadays
that
departments
that
are
neighboring
departments,
one
might
buy
a
tank
or
truck
one
another
one
might
buy
a
tiger
truck.
This
would
solve
that
problem
where
they
would
only
need
one,
so
it
helped
reduce
the
costs
there.
D
Today's
current
law,
fire
departments,
have
the
ability
to
merge,
but
after
the
first
three
years,
their
state
aid
drops
down
to
one
and
a
half
checks,
so
if
they
emerge
instead
of
getting
a
two
after
that
third
year,
it
goes
back
to
one
and
a
half
after
the
sixth
year
drops
back
to
just
one
check.
So
these
two
departments
that
merge
after
sixth
year
will
go
back
to
one
state
aid
check
which
puts
a
financial
burden
on
these
fire
departments.
D
E
Yep.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
this
is.
I
read
this
bill
and
I
thought
it
was
a
very
good
bill.
I've
got
multiple
fire
departments
in
my
volunteer
fire
departments
in
my
district
that
are
struggling.
That
folks
are
having
to
sign
up
on
three
or
four
or
five
rosters
to
keep
them
open,
and
I
thought
this
was
a
very,
very
practical
bill.
That'll
keep
fire
service
in
rural
kentucky
and
help
those
folks
that
are
struggling.
So
thank
you
for
the
bill.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Thank.
A
D
We
used
to
have
when
I
first
came
with
the
fire
commission.
We
had
about
18
000,
volunteer,
firefighters,
we're
down
to
about
13
000
now,
and
it
keeps
dropping
you
know
about
every
day.
It's
just
it's
hard
to
get
really
people
to
come
and
volunteer
their
time
anymore.
D
You
know
because
they're
just
so
much
other
things
going
on
and
especially
in
the
fire
service.
You
know
it's
just
it's
something
that
you
you
can't
do
by
phone.
You
can't
do
my
computer,
you
have
to,
you,
know,
actually
go
in
and
do
the
training
and
and
and
actually
do
the
work
when
it
comes
to
fighting
the
fires
and
it's
hard
to
recruit
firefighters
unless
you
get
them
in
our
junior
firefighter
program
which
a
lot
of
fire
departments
have.
You
know
people
just
don't
just
don't
volunteer
to
be
firefighters,
anymore,.
D
Yeah,
because
for
about
400
and
we've
got
almost
700
fire
departments
in
the
state
and
almost
I'd
say
600
or
a
little
better
are
volunteers
and
most
of
them
are
strictly
volunteers.
There's
no
combination,
it's
just
strictly
volunteers
and,
like
the
senator
said
you
know
in
in
most
communities,
they'll
get
on
three
or
four
fire
departments
to
to
keep
them.
You
know
where
they
can
keep
their
doors
open,
so
yeah.
It's
definitely
a
problem.
F
Just
a
quick
question
here
and
again
I
appreciate
the
work
you're
doing
and
and
my
district
and
the
rural
part
of
east
kentucky
probably
would
not
be
able
to
afford
our
insurance
rates
if
we
didn't
have
the
ratings
for
our
iso
from
all
of
our
volunteer
fire
departments,
proving
that
they
can
pump
out
of
a
creek
or
whatever
it
is
to
provide
service
for
all
those
homes.
And,
as
you
know,
what
I'm
talking
about
that.
F
That's
something
that's
extremely
important:
that
people
don't
realize
that
if
you
lose
a
fire
department
in
your
area,
your
rates
for
your
home
insurance
can
go
through
the
roof,
and
so
we're
very
thankful
for
the
many
different
aspects
they
add.
My
question
is
on
page
two
section:
two
where
it
says:
if
a
resulting
merged
district
does
not
remain
qualified
to
receive
the
volunteer
fire
department
aid
allotted,
then
the
kentucky
fire
commission
will
suspend
all
payments
calculated
under
the
subsection.
F
Are
there
fire
departments
out
there
right
now
that
are
trying
to
stay
open?
That
under
this
will
no
longer
be
considered
qualified
and
will
they
be
left
sort
of
in
a
lurch?
What
happens
to
the
ones
that
are
still
trying
to
hang
out
in
these
communities
that
we
need,
but
may
not
fall
under
this?
Do
they
just
get?
Do
we
don't
abandon
them?
Do
we.
D
No,
we
we
don't
have
the
power
to
close
any
fire
department
down
what
happens
to
receive
a
state
aid
check.
50
of
your
people
have
to
have
20
hours
training
each
year.
So
what
what
he's
saying
for
them?
If
they
don't
get
that
50,
then
we
say
they're
not
qualified
for
that
year
to
receive
our
state
aid.
So
basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
that
they
get
their
training
and
you
you
bring
all
these
firefighters
together.
D
They
can
get
their
training
and
they
can
continue
to
draw
their
state
aid
so
if
they
miss
it
that
one
year
they'll
have
according
to
that,
they'll
have
90
days
to
get
their
training
back
in
order
and
then
be
able
to
draw
their
state
aid
check.
But
it
only
affects
that
department
that
that
does
not
receive
their
training.
Mr
chairman,
might
ask
an
additional.
F
D
Much
would
a
training
cost,
the
training
is
free.
We
we
provide
20
hours,
training
to
every
fire
department
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
Okay,.
F
If
I
follow
up
again
to
go
through
the
chair,
I
hear
from
my
fire
departments
all
the
time
that
you
know
we
help
them.
We
try
to
do
stuff
for
them
here,
but
they're
talking
about
their
their
costs
really
are
for
a
lot
of
the
training
that
goes
on.
Is
that
a
different
type
of
training
that
they're
they're
making
me
aware
of,
or
is
this
not
the
same
thing.
D
It's
it's,
it's
probably
a
different
type.
I
mean
if
they
go
to
a
state,
far
school
or
something
like
that.
They
have
to
pay
for
that.
But
the
our
state
fire
training
through
the
fire
commission
is
budgeted
1.8
million
to
provide
training
to
all
firefighters.
So
every
fire
department
in
the
state
gets
20
hours
of
free
training
from
the
fire
commission.
A
Thanks
senator
smith,
there's
emotional
bills
or
a
second
second,
by
central
west
field.
A
You
vote
is
six
in
favor
no
nays
bill
passes,
favorable
expression
motion
for
consent.
Is
there
a
second?
Second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed?
No.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
appreciate
you
joining
us
this
morning
next
time
our
agenda
is
for
discussion
only,
and
this
is
senate
bill
176
senator
westfield's
bill.
So
if
you'll
approach
the
desk
and
feel
free
to
introduce
yourself
and
proceed,
you've
done
this
a
few
times,
you
know
the
routine.
G
Well,
good
morning,
members
we
live
in
an
interesting
time
and
technology
is
consistently
daily,
always
evolving
and
changing
and
rapidly.
So
I've
got
here
my
ipad
and
it's
got
a
camera
array
here
on
the
side.
Those
of
you
who
have
iphones
and
ipads
have
the
same
thing.
It's
called
the
face
id
camera
array
and
I'm
not
gonna,
explain
the
mechanics
of
it,
but
it's
taking
pictures
of
my
face.
It's
doing
on
device
processing.
It's
identifying
whether
or
not
my
face
is
my
face,
and
it
authenticates
me
opens
the
device
up.
G
It
allows
me
to
make
purchases,
it
does
lots
of
things
now,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
of
apple
and
its
approach
to
privacy
and
how
it
handles
things,
and
there
are
other
companies
that
have
similar
devices
and
similar
methods
for
authenticating
users,
but
we're
also
seeing
this
proliferate
in
lots
of
other
ways
that
are
not
quite
as
comforting
to
me,
as
as
I
trust
on
my
devices
that
I
use
every
day,
for
instance,
walgreens-
and
this
is
a
couple
years
old,
but
walgreens
has
started
using
even
iris
detection
technology
in
some
of
their
stores.
G
It
was
one
of
the
stores
that
have
this,
but
you
may
have
seen
a
walgreens
like
this
in
your
travels
in
different
places,
but
you've
been
in
walgreens,
they've,
got
your
odds
and
ends
and
toiletries
and
things
that
you
might
get
they've
also
got
sort
of
a
mini
grocery
and
they've
got
a
cooler
wall
and
a
lot
of
walgreens,
and
then
the
ones
where
this
is
set
up.
The
cooler
wall
has
screens
on
the
front
of
each
of
the
cooler
doors
instead
of
glass
that
you
can
see.
What's
behind
the
cooler?
G
G
But
when
you
walk
in
front
of
that,
the
the
image
that
you
see
on
the
screen
changes
completely
to
show
different
things
and
it's
able
to
see
which
screen
you're
standing
in
front
of
the
iris
tracking
might
be
able
to
identify
what
you're.
Looking
at
whether
or
not
you
open
the
door.
How
long
you
stand
at
a
certain
place,
we
have
this
technology
that
is
starting
to
proliferate
and
lots
of
different
places
to
identify
our
faces.
G
G
Other
groups
have
asked
for
the
justice
candidate
to
be
involved
or
doc
jt
to
be
involved.
Let
me
just
tell
you
I'm
indifferent
about
what
agencies
responsible
for
for
guiding
this,
but
what
this
bill
is
intended
to
do,
whether
it's
with
clek
with
justice
with
doc
jt,
which
is
beneath
justice
or
whoever
else.
G
My
objective
is
to
put
a
framework
in
place
for
the
law
enforcement
use
of
facial
recognition
and
identification,
software
and
services
that
protect
us
as
individuals
to
make
sure
that
they
behave
and
use
this
technology
an
appropriate
way
as
an
investigative
tool
that
it's
not
used
improperly,
that
the
data
is
stored
properly,
that
their
use
is
based
on
training
based
on
a
certain
set
of
standards
and,
frankly,
that
sets
a
high
bar
for
the
quality
of
the
information.
They
use
to
make
sure
that
they're
using
publicly
available
information
and
not
other
information.
G
G
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
use
it
it's
under
the
appropriate
constitutional
standards
that
it
meets
a
basic
framework
for
protection
and
that
the
only
agencies
that
can
do
it
are
the
ones
that
have
established
a
policy
consistent
with
this
open
to
any
questions
or
suggestions.
Again,
there's
been
some
just
as
I
filed
it.
As
I
said,
I
filed
it
with
kentucky
law
enforcement
council.
Others
have
requested
that
it
be
with
justice
or
doc
jt.
I
am
indifferent.
A
You
know
this
is
like
rather
unique
legislation
that
it's
really
scary.
You
know.
E
A
G
So
that's
a
good
question.
I
don't
think
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
I
know
that
there
are.
I
know
that
there
are
like
nist,
which
is
the
I'm
gonna
draw
a
blank
on
that
acronym
national
institute
hold
on
a
second
I'll.
Think
of
that
in
a
minute,
you've
got
national
organizations
and
then
federal
government
agencies
that
are
providing
information
and
guidance
to
states
that
want
to
consider
policies
like
this,
and
I
think
this
is
consistent
with
that.
G
There
are
providers
in
the
space
one
that
I
met
with
in
preparation
of
this
bill,
though
this
bill
doesn't
single
them
out
at
all
or
provide
services
to
them
at
all,
but
they
also
provided
information
on
what
sort
of
standards
should
be
met
and
it's
scary
to
hear
what
their
comp
or
who
their
competitors
are
and
where
they're
based.
I
think
and
chairman
I'll,
get
the
correct
information
on
this.
I'm
pretty
sure
that
their
next
closest
competitor
is
a
russian-based
company.
G
B
G
To
put
the
right
guard
rails
in
place,
it's
not
unlike
the
bill
that
we
did
a
year
or
two
ago,
senator
higdon
had
a
bill
that
and
chairman.
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
with
what
agency,
but
it
was
about
setting
up
rules
of
the
road,
literally,
quite
literally,
for
when
and
how
to
conduct
chases.
D
G
A
I'm
not
surprised
that
russia
is
a
player,
but
I
would
have
guessed
china.
G
A
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
initiative
on
this
and,
quite
truthfully
I
think
it
it's
an
effort
in
growing
awareness
of
the
problem.
I'm
not
sure
people
understand
how
how
deep
it
is,
how
broad
it
is,
and
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we're
doing
this
as
a
hearing
today.
Even
our
own
leadership
really
wasn't
certain
what
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
here,
but
sure
I
think
this
is
a
good
piece
of
proposed
legislation.
A
I
struggle
a
little
bit
with
you
know.
We
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
and
we
venture
to
say
this
won't
be
the
first
bill
we
will
hear
on
this
and
certainly
won't
be
the
last
and.
G
A
F
Yes,
mr
chairman,
if
I
could
make
a
comment
and
possibly
question,
if
you
remember,
president
trump
was
really
pushing
people
to
take
an
extra
precaution
when
it
comes
to
your
phones
and
if
you
notice
now
that,
when
you're,
if
you're
using
an
iphone
device,
I
cannot
speak
for
other
devices.
But
you'll
see
the
the
orange
light
at
the
top
of
the
right
corner.
And
so
it
is
telling
you-
and
you
have
agreed
to
this-
that
you
are
having
all
of
your
phone
conversations
recorded.
G
Well
that
the,
if
I
may
center
the
orange
light
means
that
you're
there's
an
orange
light
and
a
green
light.
One
indicates
your
microphone
is
in
use
by
whatever
app
is
running
at
that
moment
or
some
app
running.
The
green
light,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
shows
that
the
camera
is
in
use
right,
but
you're.
F
Right
and-
and
you
sign
this
stuff
away
when
you
make
these
agreements
or
they
do
these
upgrades
a
lot
of
times,
unknowingly
or
you
know
you
you
take
somebody
who's
young
who
probably
doesn't
care,
they
don't
think
about
this
stuff.
Far
enough
ahead
and
they're
accepting
a
great
degree
agreed
agreed
without
reading
this.
G
F
Contracts,
I
would
stumble
some
of
the
most.
You
know:
well-informed,
attorneys,
on
earth
and
that's
the
purpose
for
them,
but
if
you
remember,
when
tick-tock
came
out
and
that
they
did
their
big
contract
deal
where
they
had
to
make
everybody
sign
this
thing
over,
they
were
going
to
stop
your
account.
A
lot
of
people
just
had
agreed,
but
at
the
bottom
of
that
was
really
neat.
There
was
a
big
red
banner.
That
said,
this
does
not
apply
to
citizens
of
california,
and
so-
and
this
happens
a
lot.
F
I
did
some
research
to
realize
that
the
citizens
of
california,
when
it
comes
to
their
information,
with
all
the
things
that
I
disagree
with
california,
I
hate
to
say
that
they,
they
really
have
a
very
good
program
on
protecting
the
rights
of
the
people
that
live
there.
So
it
doesn't
matter
what
age
group
you
are
what
iq
level
you
are.
If
you
have
one
of
these
devices
in
california,
they
take
that
ability
for
you
to
make
a
wrong
decision
away
in
the
sense
of
being
tricked
by
that
or
do
because
it's
simply
prohibited
there.
F
F
So
it's
not
hindered
them,
but
it
helps
people
be
prevented
from
falling
into
the
trap
of
having
a
conversation
that
you
and
your
wife
have
about
honda
cars
pop
up
on
everything
that
you've
got
or
pictures
that
you
may
have
of
your
children
on
your
phone,
taking
a
bath
with
funny
bubbles
on
them
or
whatever
a
family
intimate
picture
winding
up
in
places
that
it
shouldn't
it's
the
internet
and
the
phone
services
technology
is
both
good
and
bad.
F
But
what
makes
it
work
is
the
fact
that
there's
information
on
your
phone,
that's
very
valuable
to
somebody
whether
those
people
are
good
or
bad,
and
what
senator
westerfield
is
doing
is
the
first
time
I've
ever
seen
it
here.
A
few
states
are
really
addressing
this.
Like
you
are.
I
wish
we
were
voting
on
a
bill,
because
I
think
this
this
bill
once
we
do
pass.
F
It
should
be
retroactive
back
to
the
first
of
the
year
to
try
to
call
some
of
this
back
and
let
these
companies
know
that
in
kentucky
that
somebody's
awake
at
the
will
that
we
we
do
know
what
you're
doing
and
we
are
standing
up
for
citizens
that,
like
I
said,
may
not
have
a
full
understanding
of
exactly
what
they're
agreeing
to
when
they
do
it.
So
I
commend
the
senator.
I
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing.
F
I
know
you've
been
very
passionate
about
this
and
I
waded
into
it
this
summer
and
had
called
down
to
ask
about
having
something
drafted
and
they
said
senator
westerfield
is
already
on
it.
So
thank
you
for
your
due
diligence.
What
you're
trying
to
do
it
will
affect
people
long
after
we're
gone,
and
I
wish
we
were
voting
for
this
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.