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H
F
A
Here
we
do
have
a
quorum,
we're
duly
constituted
to
do
business.
We
have
two
items
on
the
agenda
today:
we're
going
to
go
out
of
order,
so
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
will
be
house
bill.
465,
representative
myron,
dosset.
J
J
The
active
military
service
personnel
and
their
families,
our
veterans
and
their
families
are
proud
of
their
service
to
our
nation,
and
this
is
a
way
that
we
can
show
our
appreciation
for
their
service.
The
plates
will
feature
the
unit
logo,
which
representative
thomas
will
be
aware.
What
we'll
see
there
at
fort
campbell
with
the
screaming
eagle
it
will.
J
It
will
feature
the
unit
logo
and
eligibility
will
be
allowed
to
the
soldiers
and
their
spouses
and
dependent
children
with
valid
driver's
license
department
of
defense,
civilian
personnel
who
support
the
units
and
their
spouses
and
children
as
well.
It
will
also
include
veterans
of
those
units
and
their
family
members,
as
we
move
forward
other
units
in
the
commonwealth
may
reach
out
and
to
us
and
and
consider
to
be
included,
but
at
this
time
they
have
not,
and
I'd
like
to
take
a
moment
and
ask
brigadier
general
stephen
bullard.
K
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
of
the
committee,
the
oh,
yes
thank
you.
This
actually
came
about.
We
were
down
with
representative
walker,
thomas
in
september,
at
fort
campbell
and
several
of
the
100th
division.
Soldiers
said:
hey,
wouldn't
our
screaming
the
eagle
symbol,
look
great
on
a
military
license.
Plate
we'd
buy
that
we
would
love
to
see
that
tennessee's
adopted
them.
K
Their
plates
are
gorgeous,
and
so
I
briefed
this
at
the
kentucky
commission
on
military
affairs
full
meeting
in
december
to
great
acclamation
and
within
a
minute
of
my
briefing,
I
got
an
email
from
the
deputy
secretary
of
transportation,
saying
we
love
that,
let's
do
it.
So
what
we
decided
to
do
is
honor
the
three
most
distinguished
units
at
both
fort
knox
and
fort
campbell,
which
plus
fifth
corps,
which
is
our
newest
unit
at
fort
knox
and
fifth
corps,
has
a
distinguished
lineage
dating
back
to
world
war,
one.
K
They
are
one
of
only
four
core
commanders
that
are
out
at
military
bases
around
the
state
with
a
three-star
general
command
and
they
manage
our
8
500
soldiers
over
in
europe.
So
they're
very
involved
in
the
ukraine
planning
and
all
of
that
going
on
right
now
and
then
real
quickly,
I'll
just
say
also
down
at
your
fort
camp.
You've
got
the
101st
airborne
division,
they're
america's
9-1-1,
unbelievable
history.
K
We
have
the
fifth
special
forces
group
which
are
heavily
engaged
in
the
middle
east
and
southwest
asia,
and
we
have
the
168
160
of
special
operations,
aviation
regiment,
the
160
of
soar,
which
is
the
aviation
arm
of
u.s
special
forces,
they're
called
the
night
stalkers
for
very,
very
good
reason,
and
the
fort
knox
is
ahead
of
basically
all
management
for
the
us
army.
So
we
want
to
honor
army
human
resources
command,
which
takes
care
of
all
the
soldiers
in
the
army
worldwide.
K
The
army
recruiting
command,
which
brings
them
all
in
an
army
cadet
command,
which
manages
the
officer
selection
process,
and
we
think
this
is
a
home
run
and
everybody
we've
ever
talked
to
is
100
in
on
this,
the
one
we
did
look
at
the
kentucky
national
guard
as
well.
They
already
have
a
license
plate,
and
so
we
do
have
one
encompassing
license
plate
at
some
point.
We
might
want
to
look
at
their
motion.
E
A
A
L
M
I
Explain
my
vote,
certainly
in
honor
of
all
the
101st
and
night
stalkers
and
fifth
special
forces
and
everyone
down
in
fort
campbell.
I
appreciate
them
letting
me
serve
as
their
state
representative
for
so
many
more
years,
but
I'm
passing
the
gavel
off
to
representative
dossett
in
redistricting.
He
now
has
the
soldiers
of
fort
campbell
and
he
will
do
well
with
them.
But
it's
that's
a
yes
vote.
Thank
you.
I
J
A
D
L
Committee,
my
name
is
kyle
lewis
representing
the
3
000
aircraft
owners
and
pilots
association
members
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
I
am
also
a
pilot
aircraft
owner
myself
and
have
family
roots
right
here
in
kentucky.
My
grandfather,
hailed
from
allen
kentucky
near
prestonsburg,
so
just
like
to
share
that,
and
the
deviled
eggs
in
the
cafeteria
were
wonderful,
just
wanted
to
get
that
out
there.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee
members,
glad
to
have
the
opportunity
to
present
house
bill
447
in
front
of
you
today
house
bill.
447
is
important
piece
of
legislation
for
the
aviation
community.
Lowering
the
tax
on
private
and
commercial
aircraft
would
bring
aircraft
back
to
kentucky
that
are
currently
sitting
across
state
lines.
D
The
objective
of
this
bill
is
to
correct
that
issue
and
to
bring
those
aircraft
back
to
kentucky's
general
aviation
airports
to
create
jobs,
to
continue
the
growth
that
we
need
to
maintain
our
status
as
the
leader
in
aviation
and
aerospace
industries
house
bill
447,
creates
opportunities
for
pilots,
maintenance,
techs
line
workers,
airport
staff,
economic
growth,
on-site
business,
growth,
construction,
jobs
at
airports,
educational
opportunities,
hangar
space
and
the
rental
that
comes
with
that.
In
addition,
communities
where
ga
airports
are
located
are
the
drivers
and
benefit
direct
benefactors
of
this
legislation.
D
I
would
like
to
report
that
this
issue
was
one
of
many
important
topics
that
we
discussed
and
was
brought
to
our
attention
during
the
interim.
Just
this
past
october,
the
kentucky
department
of
aviation
under
the
governor
has
outlined
their
goals,
strategies
proposed
goals,
strategies
and
tactics
for
2021
and
moving
forward.
D
D
D
D
Where
are
all
the
additional
jobs
and
dollars
that
follow
these
aircraft,
like
jet
fuel
tax
maintenance,
jobs,
fees
from
local
airports,
hangars,
hangar
fees,
local
economic
growth
simply
put
they're
not
here,
many
of
these
aircraft
are
being
parked
and
housed.
Just
beyond
the
borders
of
kentucky
was
what,
which
is
what
this
bill
would
help
correct
aviation
and
aerospace
in
kentucky
has,
and
will
continue
to
be,
a
bipartisan
effort
to
improve
one
of
the
fastest
growing
industries
in
our
state.
Kentucky
needs
to
remain
a
leader
and
that's
exactly
what
the
potential
this
legislation
would
create.
D
L
L
Aopa
is
the
world's
largest
aviation
organization
representing
nearly
330
000
aircraft
owners,
aviation
enthusiasts
and
pilots
and
3
000
reside
right
here
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
Aopa
is
strongly
urging
that
the
language
specific
to
house
bill
447
be
adopted
as
the
positive
impact
to
the
airport
ecosystem
in
kentucky
will
be
measurable.
In
many
ways,
the
united
states
has
a
unique
airport
system
that
includes
over
5
000
public
use
airports.
L
These
airports
in
kentucky
54
public
use
general
aviation
airports
serve
as
critical
infrastructure
for
aviation
that
include
law
enforcement,
medical
transportation,
agricultural
services,
flight
training,
personal
business,
travel
and
recreation.
Kentucky
is
also
home
to
significant
commercial,
military
and
air
cargo
operations
at
the
five
primor
primary
category.
Airports.
L
Aviation
is
second
nature
in
the
modern
economy
and
is
a
vital
asset
to
any
state
house.
Bill
447
focuses
on
a
tax
that
is
very
personal
to
our
membership.
This
bill
would
repeal
the
personal
property
tax
on
not
for
hire
aircraft
with
current
law.
Kentucky
is
at
a
severe
disadvantage
to
the
neighboring
states.
Ohio,
for
example,
does
not
have
an
annual
personal
property
tax
on
aircraft
and
registration
fees.
There
are
at
reasonable
fifteen
dollars
per
seat.
L
L
I
personally
know
over
a
dozen
individuals
who
reside
in
kentucky
and
base
their
aircraft
at
cincinnati's,
lunken
municipal
airport,
and
I'm
sure
there
are
more
that
I
just
don't
know,
and
you
can
follow
that
same
landmark.
All
the
way
down
the
ohio
river
all
the
way
through
ohio
and
into
west
virginia
and
aircraft
owners
base
their
aircraft
in
a
neighboring
state,
because
the
personal
property
tax
in
kentucky.
L
Obviously,
there
is
a
reason
why
surrounding
states
have
significantly
more
based
aircraft
airports
in
neighboring
states
along
the
kentucky
border
are
reaping
those
benefits
of
the
base:
aircraft,
fuel
sales,
hangar
rents,
maintenance
and
the
operations.
These
direct
impact
categories
also
relate
to
jobs.
It
takes
skilled
line
workers
to
service
aircraft
on
the
ramps
and
the
skilled
mechanics
to
fix
these
and
maintain
the
aircraft.
L
General
aviation
is
a
significant
upswing
in
operations
on
average
over
30
percent
over
the
last
two
years.
This
increase
in
demand
for
flight
training,
both
professional
and
personal,
have
resulted
in
demand
for
flight
instructors,
training
aircraft,
mechanics
airport
facilities
to
store
these
aircraft
aircraft
ownership
is
also
seeing
an
uptick
finance.
Houses
have
reported
that
sales
have
increased
dramatically
since
2020
and
aircraft
values
have
gone
up
as
well.
L
This
increased
demand
has
led
airports
to
invest
in
expansion
and
growth
opportunities,
which
we
all
know
mean
more
ancillary
jobs.
That
may
not
be
directly
related
to
a
specific
aircraft
or
airport
operation.
Another
benefit
to
increasing
based
aircraft
is
the
ability
ability
to
become
more
competitive
for
faa
grant
dollars.
L
The
faa
airport
improvement
plan,
known
as
aip,
is
the
primary
funding
for
airport
infrastructure
in
the
united
states.
It
is
competitive
on
every
level
the
faa
uses
airport
categories
that
directly
correlate
to
funding
levels.
These
categories,
as
defined
in
the
national
plan
of
integrated
airport
systems,
also
known
as
nipis
uses
a
matrix
of
based
aircraft
numbers
types
of
based
aircraft,
number
of
operations
and
population
served
by
an
airport
to
determine
this
the
specific
priority
and
funding
for
a
given
airport.
L
If
kentucky
were
to
become
more
competitive
by
removing
the
personal
property
tax
on
not
for
higher
aircraft,
there
are
benefits
that
will
far
outweigh
the
perceived
loss
of
tax
revenues.
Kentucky's
airport
infrastructure
will
become
more
self-sustaining
and
experience
growth
by
numbers
all
very
important
to
local
economies
that
are
tied
to
an
airport's
well-being.
L
D
I
want
to
thank,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
committee
members
for
allowing
us
to
discuss
this
today.
A
great
man
once
told
me
follow
the
data
and
I
think,
in
this
bill.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
follow
the
data
that's
out
there
and
what
our
state
has
to
gain
from
legislation
like
this,
for
our
local
airports
and
for
our
local
people
in
the
form
of
jobs,
revenue
and
the
increased
value.
D
A
D
A
Representative
dixon,
I
know
we've
since
you
filed
this
bill,
there's
been
a
lot
of
hyperbole
in
the
press
and
social
media
about
you
know
we're
robbing
from
children,
and
you
know
giving
all
the
rich
the
tax
breaks
and
everything.
But
I
know
it
was
reported
that
it
was
52
thousand
dollars
and
that's
the
fiscal
statement
that
you
have
52
000
to
the
state,
correct
and
then
2.5
million.
A
That
would
go
to
the
the
counties
and
cities
across
the
state.
What
have
you
seen
any
documentation
on
that
2.5
million
dollars
or
is
that
is
that
in
fact,
correct
or.
D
I
have
not
at
this
point
I
did
make
some
calls
this
morning
that
information
came
out
yesterday
on
the
2.5
million.
I
did
make
some
calls
this
morning
to
lrc
staff
and
they
were
communicating
with
the
revenue
department,
but
I
have
not
at
this
time
seen
which
counties
would
be.
You
know
directly
affect
keep
in
mind.
This
tax
that
would
be
on
the
local
level
can
be
chosen
by
the
county
and
is
in
his
implement.
D
Each
county
is
a
little
different
so,
but
I
have
not
seen
those
figures
and
where
they
relate
to
in
what
part
of
the
state.
Okay.
A
A
So
you
know,
if
you
take
2.5
million
out
of
out
of
you,
know,
divide
that
by
120
counties,
it's
20
little
over
20
million
dollars
or
20
000
per
county,
and
so
it's
your
belief
that
by
hangar
rentals
maintenance
that
would
come
to
the
counties
tax
through
the
gas
would
far
outweigh
the
twenty
thousand
dollars.
If
you
divide
it
by
county,
but
it
would
have
far
outweigh
the
2.5
million
dollars.
Statewide.
D
Yeah
yeah
that
is
correct
and-
and
you
know
that
would
be
proven
through
when,
when
you
have
those
planes
move
back
into
the
state,
not
only
would
you
create
construction
jobs
because
there's
gonna
they're
gonna,
you
know
look
for
places
to
hang
these
planes.
Not
only
are
you
gonna
have
direct
jobs
on
the
airport,
but
then
you're
gonna
have
those
revenues
that
come
with
those
planes
coming
back
in
the
form
of
construction
jobs,
materials
purchased
locally.
You
know
activity
economically
in
those
general
aviation
airports.
D
Yes,
I
I
wholeheartedly
believe
from
the
data
that
I
think
is
national
and
that
we
have
you
know
currently
in
the
state
I
mean.
I
think
this
is
something
that
could
be
a
game
changer
for
general
aviation
airports
in
the
state.
Well,
that's
one.
A
And
you
know
kentucky,
I
think,
is
sitting
on
a
diamond
in
the
rough
when
it
comes
to
aviation
yeah
with
our
you
know,
our
infrastructure
that
we
have
with
the
airports.
A
You
know
municipal
airports
across
the
state,
the
carrier
such
as
ups,
amazon,
prime
dhl
and
then
you've
got
the
educational
component
of
it
with
with
the
post-secondary
institutions
through
pilot
training
through
aviation
maintenance,
and
so
there
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunities
out
there
for
kentucky,
and
you
know
I'm
excited
about
the
future
and
what
this,
what
this
bill
could
do
as
a
piece
to
start
moving
us
in
the
right
direction.
When
it
comes
to
aviation,
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
committee
members.
We
do
have
some
in
the
queue
mr.
D
D
The
federal
infrastructure
package
has
money
earmarked
for
airports
and
those
monies
are
handed
out
by
the
faa
based
off
of
activity
at
that
airport
and
by
the
numbers
that
were
just
stated
with
the
activity
comparative
to
the
states
around
us.
It's
going
to
be
hard
for
kentucky
to
compete
for
that
money
if
we
don't
get
those
aircraft
across
state
lines
and
back
here.
So
that's
an
important
piece
of
this.
D
I
I
wanted
to
take
the
time
and
the
liberty
chairman,
thank
you
for
for
noting
that
you
know
it's
a
lot
more
than
than
what
meets
the
eye
in
this
piece
of
legislation.
Okay,.
L
His
name
was
adrian
gibson.
F
Just
a
brief
comment:
while
we're
talking
about
this
subject,
I
would
like
to
encourage
any
of
the
members
who
are
interested
in
tax
exemptions
such
as
these
to
consider
bills
that
we
also
have
filed,
for
instance,
to
increase
the
pension
income
exclusions
from
thirty
one
thousand
dollars
to
forty
one
thousand
dollars.
A
F
N
I
think
this
was
an
excellent
presentation
and
it
might
benefit
all
of
us
to
get
a
copy
of
what
you
testify
to
there's
just
so
much
to
grasp
in
10
minutes,
I'm
wondering
in
I
know
we
have
several
small
airports
across
the
state
of
kentucky.
Are
they
privately
built
and
privately
owned,
or
are
they
publicly
built?
And
if
so,
what
is
the
funding
source.
L
I
can
take
that
yeah,
so
the
54
airports-
I
I
reference-
are
public
use,
airports
and
the
majority
of
those,
if
not
all,
of
them
are
built
with
local
state
and
federal
grant
dollars
the
funding
for
those
work
and
these
airports
were
built
many
many
years
ago.
It's
it's
rare
that
a
new
airport
is
is
built
anywhere
these
days,
but
the
faa
for
general
aviation
airports
will
pay
for
90
of
a
eligible
project,
and
then
some
states
will
kick
in.
You
know.
L
50
percent
of
the
local
share
of
that
matching
grant
ohio,
for
example,
pays
50
of
the
local
share.
Most
states
do
pay
some
of
that,
but
there's
also
projects.
You
know
especially
hangers,
and
this
is
where
it
gets
very
important.
There's
a
very
high
demand
for
hangers
aircraft
are
think
of
them.
Well,
you
know
I,
I
don't
want
to
use
the
term
like
like
boats,
but
you
know
they
need
to
be.
You
know,
maintained
and
a
key
to
that.
L
Maintaining
of
any
aircraft
is
keeping
it
stored
out
of
the
weather,
especially
in
a
climate
like
the
the
upper
midwest.
So
hangers
are
in
high
demand
and
that
goes
for
all
categories
of
aircraft.
You
know
from
your
two-seat
fabric,
covered
airplanes
up
to
your
your
business
jets,
those
dollars
federal
dollars,
it's
a
very
low
priority
that
hangers
will
be
built,
so
airports
are
investing
local
dollars
into
hangars
and
that's
very
important
because
it
is
a
a
sustainability
project.
It's
a
it.
O
I
do
there's
a
lot
to
get
excited
about
around
here,
thanks
so
much
representative
dixon
for
bringing
this,
and
I
appreciate
your
guests
coming
today
too.
O
I
remember
hearing
about
this
during
the
intro
and
I
really
had
true
bipartisan
support
whenever
you
brought
this
to
us,
but
I
do
have
one
question
for
you,
general
aviation
airports,
I
think,
are
very
important,
especially
to
our
local
communities,
and
so
do
you
know
what
the
impact
would
be,
what
this
would
have
for
aviation
education
programs
at
local
general
aviation
airports.
D
Yes,
representative,
thank
you
for
the
question.
This
would
be
a
great
driver
for
those
education
programs
with
the
increased
revenue
that
that
moving
those
planes
and
that
and
that
busyness
that
would
happen
at
those
general
aviation
airports
would
drive
that
educational
component
on
a
local
level
and
I'll
give
you
an
example
right
now
across
the
state.
D
There
are
many
high
schools
that
are
looking
at
maintenance
programs
and
pilot
programs
to
add
to
their
to
their
vocational
programs,
as
as
as
an
addition,
and
so
keeping
these
general
aviation
airports
alive
and
vibrant
is
a
key
component
for
those
programs
for
us
to
capture
those
those
children
at
a
young
age,
get
them
into
those
educational
programs.
Those
could
be
future.
D
Pilots,
mechanics
and
individuals
that
may
work
in
aerospace,
but
that's
a
key
component
and-
and
I
think
that's
a
great
question-
because
it's
something
that's
very
important
to
bills
like
this-
that
drive
those
those
airplanes
back
home.
So.
O
I
appreciate
that
representative.
You
know,
I
think
something
that
we're
always
you
know
in
in
frankfurt.
We
always
have
this
conversation,
how
things
are
politically
divided,
but
I
think
really,
the
ones
of
us
here
actually
recognize
that
it's
more
of
a
real
urban
divide,
and
you
know,
since
we've
talked
about
having
tax
reform
conversations
this
session.
You
know
to
me
I'm
understanding.
This
is
removing
attacks
and
kind
of
moving
towards
that
conversation
of
true
tax
reform
here
in
the
commonwealth.
O
But
I
do
you
know,
hearing
about
general
aviations.
I
think
those
are
those
are
really
big
things
for
rural
areas.
We
don't
all
have
the
economic
drivers,
such
as
international
airports,
in
our
districts
or
even
national
airports,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
have
this
conversation
chairman.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
have
this
conversation
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
disappointed
that
it
didn't
have
bipartisan
support
as
it
did
in
the
interim,
but
I
understand
that
sometimes
messages
get
a
little
confused
along
the
way.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Next
is
representative
fleming.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
had
a
question
to
the
gentleman,
particularly
as
a
aopa
representative.
Could
you
give
us
a
give
me
a
breakdown
of
the
type
within
each
within
kentucky
in
terms
of
type
of
aircraft?
E
Obviously
you
got
the
151,
you
got
the
you
got
the
singles,
you
have
the
twins,
you
have
fix,
wayne's
got
rotor
and
all
that
stuff
is
there.
Can
you
get
a
breakdown
of
that.
L
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
that
I
would
have
to
do
some
research
to
be
quite
honest
to
break
that
down
by
aircraft
type,
but
I
think
six
percent
six
percent
of
the
aircraft
registered
in
the
state
currently
are
of
the
business
jet
category,
which
would
be
you
know,
turbine
turboprop
and
above
I
do
have
a
breakdown
if
you
want
it
again
from
the
representatives
testimony
multi-engine
aircraft.
L
So
that's
your
twin
engine,
small
aircraft,
eleven
percent
helicopter
is
three
percent
single
engine
which
is
anything
from
you
know:
a
piper
cub,
which
is
the
small
two-seat
fabric
airplane
up
to
a
cirrus,
or
even
a
like
a
piper
malibu
or
piper
meridian,
turboprop
tbm.
That
sort
of
thing
is
at
78,
but
if
you
would
like
a
breakdown
of
you
know,
aircraft
type,
I'm
sure
I
could
get
that
through
faa
data
and
and
and
send
that
to
you.
E
Okay,
I
appreciate
it.
Do
you
know
what
the
capacity
in
terms
of
rental
spaces
I
know
bowman
is
usually
booked
up
as
a
waiting
list?
Is
there
any?
Can
you
give
me
a
feel
what's
going
on
and
throughout
the
state,
in
terms
of
capacity
for
for
hangover,
space.
L
Yeah,
I
can
tell
you
that
nearly
every
airport-
and
this
is
true
across
the
country
right
now-
every
airport
is
booked
on
on
hangar
space,
they're
being
built
as
fast
as
they
can
be
built.
You
know
with
the
local
dollars
and
some
with
you
know,
grant
dollars
that
are
eligible,
for
example,
cincinnati,
lunken
airport
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
even
though
it's
in
ohio,
their
waiting
list
is
about
10
years
out
on
average,
and
that's
why
folks
from
kentucky
are
you
know
going
to
ohio?
L
E
So,
like
guys
guess
let
me
just
get
a
good
demo
of
the
weeds
and
I
appreciate
the
example,
but
is
there
any
any
data
available
that
really
shows
all
right?
We've
got
x,
number
of
hangers
that
are
there
and
throughout
the
commonwealth
at
x,
but
we
have
y
as
as
a
number
of
on
the
waiting
list
and
then
take
that
a
step
further.
Where
are
they
from
a
geographical
standpoint
and
then
what
does
it
take
to
to
have
those
hangers
built
and
then
what's?
E
D
Yeah
represent
flank
thanks
for
the
question
I'll.
Take
that
that
portion
of
it
there
actually
was
a
study
put
out.
I
believe
it
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
miss
quote,
but
I'm
going
to
say
15
1617-
that
was
put
out
that
that
covers
some
of
the
information
you're
asking
for
there
was
also
no
additional
stuff
survey
or
study.
Excuse
me,
when
was
that
study
done.
E
Yeah-
and
I
appreciate
that
I
do
have
that
there
is
some
some
gaps
within
that
report,
but
it
is
comprehensive
and
takes
a
very
high
altitude
and
also
gets
into
weeds,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
workforce
development
in
terms
of
how
the
600
plus
businesses
that
feed
into
the
into
this
industry
that
generate,
I
don't
know
like
10
or
10
11
billion
dollars.
In
doing
that.
E
So
I
was
just
curious
and
I
mean
I
was
trying
to
just
try
to
go
through
the
process
in
terms
of
looking
things
down,
maybe
two
or
three
years
down
the
road.
If
you're,
looking
at
52
million
or
52,
000
and
2.5,
and
going
back
to
the
tournament
says
if
you
go
through
a
pro
forma,
what
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
return?
And
then
you
can
look
at
that
three,
four
or
five
years
down
the
road
to
see
exactly?
What's
up
with
that?
So
that's
how
it's
coming
from.
L
The
faa
doesn't
like
to
see
super
long-term
leases
because
of
grant
assurances,
but
they
actually
enjoy
that
private
investment
being
brought
onto
the
airport
and-
and
these
are
your
your
private
aircraft
owner
to
your
businesses
that
will
construct
a
hangar
on
leased
land
and
and
build
the
hangar
under
their
own
finances,
and
then
they
purchase
fuel
from
the
airport
and
and
so
forth.
So
there's
a
couple
different
methods
to
the
hangars,
but
there
are
some,
I
won't
say
roadblocks,
but
just
some
hurdles
to
overcome
with
environmental
studies
and
things
like
that.
A
All
right,
we've
got
three
more
folks
in
the
queue
representative
fleming.
Are
you.
F
Yes,
just
a
couple
of
comments,
so
maybe
so
I've
got
a
nephew
that
started
out
in
a
high
school
program
in
a
rural
area
that
had
his
solo
pilot
license
before
he
entered
eku
and
was
able
to
finish
eku
in
three
and
a
half
years,
and
now
is
gainfully
employed
and
flying
and
and
looking
at
his
future.
So
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
program.
F
I
think
this
bill
particularly
removes
some
barriers
so
that
we
can
you
never
know
what
one
pilot
in
one
rule
community
can
do
to
mentor
two
or
three
people,
and
two
or
three
people
stay
in
that
community
and
and
that
airport
flourishes
because
of
it
we're
always
looking
at
building
infrastructure,
building
roads,
building
things
in.
We
already
have
these
airports
here.
We
just
need
to
expand
them.
We
need
to
remove
all
the
barriers
get
back
to
the
usage
tax
instead
of
taxing
each
individual,
the
usage
tax
on
these,
but
it's
so
important
for
these.
F
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
I
also
appreciate
bringing
this
and
having
it
for
discussion
here
this
first
time
because
you're
right,
the
hyperbole,
has
gotten
maybe
out
of
hand
here,
and
I
appreciate
our
conversation
right
before
the
meeting
here
and
a
lot
of
what
I'm
gonna
was
gonna.
Ask
about
representative
fleming
touched
on.
C
I
was
doing
some
quick
numbers
with
the
there's
2400
plus
aircraft
in
the
state
evidently,
and
the
2.5
million
plus
the
52
000,
comes
out
to
about
a
little
over
a
thousand
dollars
per
aircraft
in
taxes,
which
doesn't
seem
like
to
me
like
to
be
that
much
of
a
disincentive
to
to
be
in
kentucky
there's
so
many
other
factors
you
know
related
to
hanger
space
and
related
to
all
the
other
factors
that
why
anybody
will
be
at
a
particular
airport.
C
As
far
as
I
go
by
literally
a
couple
hundred
times
this
summer,
I
went
by
cincinnati
lincoln
airport
and
saw
that
they
had
some
aircraft
inside
and
some
outside.
I
wondered
the
same
thing
about
you
know:
why
were
they
there
and
why
were
some
in
within
the
hangars
and
some
are
not,
and
I'm
sure
it
does
depend
on
the
availability,
and
that
is
where
we're
looking
to
do
something
about
here.
C
I
understand
that,
but
also
recognizing
2.5
million
dollars
to
local
communities,
which,
while
there
could
be
some
incentive
for
individuals
who
would
get
inspired
by
some
of
the
work
done
locally,
that's
obviously
it's
54
communities
and
2.5
million.
You
can
just
do
that
math
and
that's
going
to
be
some
loss
of
dollars
there
and
again
very
important.
What
I
think
was
representative
fleming's
analysis
of
the
numbers-
and
I
have
one
last
suggestion
related
to
this.
C
I
would
poll
simply
the
the
out
of
state
is
that
we're
aware
of
the
out-of-state
owners
of
aircraft
to
ask
what
is
their
likelihood
of
the
returning
to
the
state
and
polls
are
really
easy
to
do
anymore,
so
you
can
do
it
fairly
cheaply
and
if
you
get
those
addresses,
you
can
give
us
an
idea
and
come
back
with
that
information.
That
would
be
helpful.
C
That
would
give
us
an
idea
of
what
what
kind
of
incentive
we
really
can
provide
to
to
lure
them
back
to
the
state,
because
we
do
just
like
our
veterans.
We
want
to
make
aviation
the
prime
prime
reason
why
people
will
come
to
kentucky.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
representative
lee,
and
I
will
say
there
have
been
several
reach
out.
You
know
owners
of
aircraft
that
have
that
have
said
they
are
really
supportive
of
this
bill
and
and
they
would
be
looking
to
move
them
back.
So
that
poll
is
a
great
idea,
because
I
think
it
would
be
very
substantial
how
many
would
be
willing
to
return
to
kentucky.
D
B
That's
right
well,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
want
to
to
applaud
you
for
deciding
to
have
discussion
only
today
there
there
has
been
a
lot
of
heartburn
over
this
bill
out
there.
B
You
know
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
may
not
seem
like
a
lot
of
money
to
people
who
own
a
plane,
but
to
me
and
a
lot
of
the
constituents
I've
heard
from
you
know
it
gives
them
significant
pause
and
knowing
that
that's
money,
you
know
in
our
schools,
in
our
cities
and
our
counties,
especially
when
you
know
a
lot
of
counties,
you
know,
are
begging
for
dollars.
It
it's
worrisome.
B
So
if
there
is
data
and
there's
some
hard
numbers
and
some
evidence-based
projections
that
you
could
get
to
us
about
how
this
money
would
be
replaced
or
even
surpassed,
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
a
lot
of
us
and
a
lot
of
our
constituents
who
are,
you,
know,
worrying
a
little
bit
about
this
bill.
I
know
that
it's
been
out
there
and
it's
been
on
social
media.
B
You
know
last
week
we
we
cut
unemployment
and
then
this
week
it
seems
like
we're
going
to
cut
taxes
for
people
who
are
really
wealthy
and
have
a
plane.
So
I
just
think
that
that
would
be
super
helpful
if
we
could
get
some
of
those
hard
numbers
in
front
of
us.
So
if
you
could
provide
that,
that
would
be
super
helpful.
Thank
you.
L
You
representative,
if
I
could
I
just
like,
since
we
are
in
a
public
forum,
maybe
dispel
some
of
the
perception
issues
on
aircraft
ownership.
Yes,
airplanes
are
are
to
some
a
hobby.
You
know
for
rich
people.
I
would
beg
to
differ
because
I
represent
a
lot
of
the
almost
all
of
the
aircraft
owners.
Aopa
has
90
percent
of
all
the
aircraft
owners
of
the
united
states
as
members
they
come
from
all
walks
of
life,
school
teachers,
farmers,
doctors,
lawyers,
you
know
every
everybody
and
it's
an
interest
in
aviation
is
what
drives
it.
L
Also
aopa.
We
have
a
high
school
stem
program.
In
fact,
it's
it's
a
program
accredited
by
the
state
of
kentucky
that
that
ups
down
in
louisville
has
definitely
had
a
hand
in
helping
further
along
it's
a
four-year
high
school
program
and
the
curriculum
itself
is
free
to
any
school
district.
L
If
any
of
you
are
interested,
I'd
be
happy
to
tell
you
more
about
it.
That's
not
my
specialty,
but
I
want
to
get
it
out
there.
That
aopa
is
pushing
a
stem
curriculum
because
of
the
demand
in
the
aviation
sector,
and
it's
not
just
manned
aircraft.
The
uas,
the
unmanned,
is
becoming
a
top
priority
very
quickly,
not
just
within
the
faa,
but
within
state
dots.
L
L
A
lot
of
aircraft
ownership
is
partnerships
where
two
or
three
people
may
go
in
and
purchase
an
airplane
flying
clubs,
that's
what
they
are.
They're
recreational
used
flying
clubs
and
they're
used
for
personal
business,
personal
travel,
that
sort
of
thing
so
there
there
are
rich
people
that
have
airplanes
yes,
but
there's
a
higher
majority
of
your
everyday
folks
that
that
enjoy
aviation
as
a
hobby
and
for
the
recreation
and
personal
business
travel
that
that
it
allows.
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
that
out
there.
Thank
you.
D
M
Just
a
statement,
mr
chairman
and
representative
dixon,
thank
you
for
looking
into
this.
M
I
think
we're
talking
about
more
getting
into
the
lear
jet
the
the
higher
expense
jets.
I
want
them
in
my
area
because
that's
the
investors
in
my
area,
that's
the
people
with
means
a
corporation
that
comes
in
that
looks
in
our
area
at
our
industrial
park.
M
They
may
not
ask
us
about
it,
but
I
guarantee
you
they've
looked
to
see
about
air
transit,
how
they
get
their
their
their
plane
into
here
when
they
need
to
bring
their
corporate
people
in
whether
we
want
to
call
them
the
wealthy
and
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
them.
I
want
to
deal
with
them
in
my
area
and
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
here
and
if
it
ends
up
being
a
hard
sell
and
a
vote
on
the
floor.
M
If
you
could
look
at
regionalizing
and
giving
local
governments
opportunity
to
exempt
I'd
appreciate
that
at
least
not
kill
the
game
in
our
area
where
we're
trying
to
grow
both
our
airports
can
use
use
this
for
growth
and
both
of
them
are
trying
to
expand,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
what
you're
trying
to
do
here
and
I
think
I'm
on
the
right
path.
This
is
as
economic
development
also
into
bringing
those
planes
back
because
they're
sitting
in
knoxville
in
my
area,
and
so
they
they
want
to
come
back.
M
They
want
to
be
located
there,
and
so
again
I
want
to
encourage
the
the
major
corporations
of
the
world
to
come
into
eastern
kentucky,
have
access
to
an
airport
and
give
incentives
for
them
to
be
there,
and
so
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
here.
Man
thank.
D
You,
representative
smith,
and
I
I
think
I'd
I'd
like
to
mr
chairman,
feel
out,
say
something
real
quick.
You
brought
up
an
interesting
point
and
you
know
we
had
a
presentation
this
summer
that
I
attended.
That
talked
about
drones
and
transport
drones
and
when
you
talk
about
accessibility
for
jobs
and
for
individuals
to
get
to
jobs
in
east
kentucky
and
and
across
this
state,
your
airports
are
going
to
become
in
the
next
50
years
the
gateways
to
those
opportunities,
not
just
in
the
form
of
flying
on
a
jet
or
an
airplane.
D
We're
talking
drones
that
will
pick
six
eight
people
up
and
move
them
to
different
locations,
and-
and
it
sounds
like
crazy
talk,
but
but
but
it's
it's
stuff
that
that's
advancing
quickly
in
the
aviation
and
field,
and
so
this
this
is
laying
the
groundwork
to
get
the
the
infrastructure,
the
planes,
the
investments,
the
federal
funding
dollars.
All
of
the
things
that
go
together
to
set
our
state
up
for
success
for
aviation
from
now
and
into
the
future,
for
our
citizens,
for
our
airports
and
for
our
communities.
So
thank
you
for
that
statement.
A
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Old
apple
farmer
told
me
one
time.
Sometimes
you
got
to
prune
the
trees
back,
so
you
get
new
growth
more
apples,
so
this
is
a
pretty
good
way
to
start
looks
like
that.
Is
it
for
the
on
the
bills.
We
do
have
some
regulations
before
us,
but
first
I
would
turn
it
over
to
representative
huff.
She
has
a
introduction.
H
You
chairman,
I
would
like
to
introduce.
We
have
a
guest
today
from
my
district
paul
david
steele
paul
was
very
instrumental
in
us
gaining
our
local
airport.
I
know
he
worked
tirelessly
for
that
to
happen,
and
it
has
has
had
a
huge
impact
in
our
district,
so
I
hope
we
can
look
at
this
as
an
indic
economic
driver,
and
I
know
we've
used
air
vac
there
in
whittley
county,
so
I
hope
that
we
can
pass
this
and
other
legislation
in
support
of
aviation,
particularly
in
rural
kentucky.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
next
up,
we
have
consideration
of
some
referred
administrative
regulations.
We
have
someone
from
the
cabinet,
I
think
he's
going
to
be
here.
Are
you
on
zoom
chairman
at
church.
G
Chairman
at
church,
this
is
carlos
cassidy,
all
right,
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
motor
vehicle
commission.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
answer
any
questions
of
representatives
regarding
our
re-promulgation
of
these
rigs.
These
rigs
have
been
in
existence
for
a
number
of
years
and
been
utilized
by
the
commission,
and
it
was
governor,
matthew,
bevin's,
red
tape,
initiative.
That
brings
us
before
you
to
re-promulgate.
Today,
okay,.