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A
If
everyone
would
take
their
seats,
we
will
begin.
We
have
a
full
agenda
this
morning.
We
have
several
bills
that
we're
going
to
hear.
I
also
want
to
share
that
in
this
committee
we
have
a
certain
decorum
there'll,
be
mutual
respect
on
both
sides
of
the
table.
We
appreciate
all
of
you
joining
us
this
morning
and
with
that,
let
me
give
some
information
to
those
that
are
joining
us
remotely.
Remote
members
can
be
considered
present
and
vote
on
bills
if
they
are
participating
from
their
annex
office.
A
If
you
are
participating
remotely,
but
not
from
your
nx
office,
you
can
participate
in
discussion
of
a
bill,
but
you
will
not
be
counted
present
and
you
cannot
vote
when
you
join
the
meeting
remotely
your
microphones
will
automatically
be
muted.
So
please
remember
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unmute
your
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If
you
want
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speak,
if
you
have
any
questions
or
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during
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meeting,
please
indicate
those
in
the
chat
function.
Mariah.
If
you
will
please
call
the
roll.
C
B
Representative
white
representative
wilner,
here
in
the
room
vice
chair,
riley
president.
A
Chair
huff
present
in
the
room
we're
going
to
go
a
little
bit
out
of
order
this
morning
and
let
me
also
share,
we
do
have
an
overflow
room.
If
there's
a
seat
available,
you
can
take
a
seat
in
here,
but
if
not,
please
go
to
the
overflow
room
and
if
you
see
someone
standing,
please
share
that
as
well.
A
Look
at
him
sitting
there
all
primed
and
ready,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
out
of
order.
As
I
said,
we're
going
to
first
hear
an
act
designating
the
second
wednesday
in
february
as
family
resource
and
youth
service
center
day
representative
cook.
If
you
will
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
G
Good
morning,
thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
representative
cook,.
H
Scott,
thank
you,
chairwoman,
representative
cook.
I
actually
just
want
you
to
to
say
some
kind
words
about
our
friskies
before
we
vote.
That's
it
sure.
F
I
absolutely
love
our
friskies.
It
goes
hand
in
hand
with
everything
going
on
in
education
right
now.
If
you
talk
to
any
teacher
out
there,
I
I
would
be
willing
to
bet
that
they
would
tell
you
it'd,
be
much
harder
to
run
their
schools
and
teach
their
classes
without
friskies
right
there,
and
they
do
everything
you
know
from
providing
underwear,
socks,
shoes,
counseling
mentoring
and
it's
non-stop.
It's
24
hours
a
day.
F
The
first
keys,
I've
known
if
anybody
ever
goes
out
there
and
volunteers
with
them
and
see,
sees
the
activities
that
they
take
care
of
within
their
communities.
It's
absolutely
incredible
and
we're
indeed
fortunate
to
have
them
and
I'm
so
happy
to
try
to
lock
this
day
in
we're
going
to
get
this
through
the
senate.
B
E
B
E
I
J
K
K
A
Huff,
yes-
and
I
cast
my
vote
this
morning
in
honor
of
all
the
friskies
across
the
state,
but
particularly
those
in
the
82nd
district
they're,
dear
friends
of
mine,
and
they
do
an
incredible
job,
looks
like
that.
You
have
successfully
passed
this
measure
house
bill.
Let's
see,
what
number
is
that
I'm
going
to
return?
My
page
347
passes
with
the
opinion
that
the
same
should
pass.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
Next,
we
will
hear
house
bill
221
an
act
relating
to
bus
safety.
Representative
hale
would
come
to
the
table,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
G
G
Again,
madam
chair,
thank
you
so
much
and
members
of
the
committee
we
are
here
this
morning
to
present
to
you
house,
bill
221..
This
is
actually
the
third
year
that
this
bill
has
been
proposed.
G
This
is
the
second
year
that
I
have
brought
this
measure
forth
and
what
this
bill
basically
does
it's
a
bill
concerning
school
bus
safety,
which
gives
the
option
for
school
districts
to
mount
on
their
school
bus,
stop
arms,
a
camera
that
would
record
illegal
activities
of
individuals,
passing
a
stopped
school
bus
from
either
direction
and
would
record
these
images
of
illegal
activities,
which
is
happening
so,
madam
chair,
before
I
proceed
any
further
and
we
will
be
briefed
this
morning.
We
know
you
have
a
busy
agenda.
There
is
a
committee
sub
to
house
bill,
221.
G
It
gives
them
the
right
to
be
compensated
of
a
25
compensation
for
each
offense
that
the
local
sheriff
would
proceed
in
viewing
these
these
infractions
or
these
violations.
That
would
happen
so
real
quickly,
I'll
I'll
move
forward
this
bill
again.
It's
about
safety
for
the
most
some
of
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
society,
and
that
is
our
children
that
are
riding
our
school
buses
to
and
from
school
every
day.
G
It
is
estimated
that
there
are
literally
thousands
of
violations
that
happen
across
the
country
and
also
right
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky
of
individuals
that
pass
buses
as
children
are
either
getting
on
or
exiting,
and
I
have
just.
This
is
incredible-
a
personal
story
that
happened
in
my
right
in
front
of
my
house
a
few
months
ago,
my
neighbor,
which
had
no
idea
that
she
knew.
I
was
a
state
legislator,
but
she
had
no
idea
that
I
had
been
proposing
a
piece
of
legislation
as
like
this.
G
Her
seven-year-old
son
was
actually
exiting
the
bus
to
get
off
the
bus
and
and
the
way
the
bus
was
the
direction
the
bus
was
going.
He
had
to
exit
the
bus
and
actually
come
into
my
basically
my
driveway
and
walk
around
the
front
of
the
bus
to
get
over
on
the
other
side
and
a
car
was
coming
in
the
direction
and
would
not
stop,
and
she
literally
got
in
the
middle
of
the
road
and
stopped
that
vehicle,
which
could
have
been
a
tragic
accident,
and
she
shared
that
with
us
happy.
G
She
said,
mr
hill,
can
you
believe
what
just
happened
down
here
and
I
I
had
no
idea.
She
had
no
clue
that
this
was
something
that
I
was
even
proposing,
but
that's
just
a
that's
just
a
personal
story
but
real
quickly.
I
I
want
to
be
playing
with
the
committee.
I
have
no
sympathy,
and
I
mean
that
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart,
no
sympathy
for
anyone
that
would
pass
illegally
pass
a
stopped
school
bus.
That
is
allowing
our
children
to
to
exit
that
bus
or
either
to
get
on
so
what
this
house
bill
221.
G
Does
it
really
attempts
to
change
the
driver
behavior
through
the
creation
of
a
new
civil
penalty
that
if
a
person
is
caught,
passing
a
school
bus,
that's
outfitted
with
a
stop
arm
camera,
and
I
want
to
make
very
clear
this
point.
This
is
an
abs
totally
an
option
for
the
school
districts
to
make
the
choice.
There
is
no
mandate
here.
We
want
to
make
this
available
to
every
school
district
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
There
are
over
20
states
that
have
implemented
this.
G
I
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
quick
and
brief,
but
just
say
boss
patrol
we
have
been
in
in
place
since
2017
and
the
reason
why
we
we
started
in
this
in
this
field
was
the
information
and
data
we're
getting
across
the
country
of
incidents
and
tragedy
that
occur
every
year
and
one
of
the
major
point
that
we
wanted
to
do.
I
It's
making
sure
that
if
we
offer
a
a
product
or
a
technology
that
it
was
going
to
be
adopted
by
rural
school
district
density,
school
district,
all
across
a
state,
so
what
we
have
done
is
through
a
portion
of
the
fine
revenue
we
we
deploy
the
technology
at
no
cost
of
scholarship,
no
cost
to
the
to
the
cities
or
county
or
the
sheriff.
So
we
take
the
capital
costs
we
install
we
deploy
and
our
invoices
are
paid
through
the
fine
revenue.
I
One
other
point
I
want
to
want
to
want
to
raise
it's
illegal
passing.
We
all
think
that
con
comes
from
the
right
side
from
the
left
side,
but
15
to
20
of
these
illegal
passing
comes
from
the
right
side
of
the
school
bus.
So
if
you
can
imagine
if
a
car
passed
by
the
right
side,
it's
extremely
dangerous
and
right
in
this
state
right
next
door
indiana
they
had
an
incident
in
2018
where
three
children
of
the
same
family
got
struck
by
a
pickup
truck
and
die
instantly
so
and
it
wasn't
a
rural
area.
I
What
I
want
to
the
other
thing
I
want
to
raise
is
even
if
the
volume
of
citations
come
from
big
cities,
the
tragedy
comes
from
rural
roads
because
of
speed
of
traveling,
as
you
can
imagine.
So,
if
there's
one
citation
that
can
be
used
with
technology,
it
is
this
one.
We
cannot
ask
law
enforcement
to
follow
in
every
single
bus.
It's
impossible
awareness
campaigns
have
been
put
in
place,
but
winning
camp
warning
campaigns
without
enforcing
the
law
does
not
get
driver.
Behavior
change,
drunk
driving,
it's
one
of
the
best
example.
I
If
you
do
a
awareness
awareness
campaign-
and
you
do
not
enforce
the
law,
you
cannot
change
driver
behavior.
What
this
bill
is
asking
for
is
for
every
single
one
of
us
to
pay
attention
when
you're
around
the
school
bus.
When
the
yellow
lights
are
flashing,
you
should
prepare
to
stop
when
the
red
lights
are
flashing,
you
should
stop,
and
bringing
this
bill
up
kentucky
would
be
that
20
20
22nd
stake
of
bringing
this
this
law
forward.
I
G
So,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
If
there
are
any
questions
I
would
I
will
try
my
best
to
answer.
C
Mine
is
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
Certainly,
school
safety
is
fundamental
to
this
body,
as
has
been
evidenced
in
our
past
bills,
but
I
will
say
that
in
reading
the
bill,
this
is
more
of
a
legal
question
or
a
comment.
C
Seen
constitutional
issues
come
up
in
other
states
with
that
being
said,
I
appreciate
the
sponsor's
commitment
to
continue
working
on
that
to
make
sure
that
it
meets
that
muster.
I
just
wouldn't
want
to
see
this
pass
and
then
have
a
problem.
For
that
reason,
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
strong
and
passes
because
we
need
this
bill,
so
thank
you.
I
Can
I
respond
quickly
the
structure
of
the
bill?
It's
it's
not
any
different
than
a
fire
hydrant.
If
you
park
your
car
and
find
a
fire
hydrant,
you
will
get
a
citation
because
your
car
isn't
a
place
and
you
shouldn't
be.
The
structure
is,
is,
is
about
the
same
one?
So
that's
the
philosophy
between
the
between
the
bills
that
are
passing
all
across
the
country.
G
And
representing
massey,
thank
you
for
that
point
and
that
that
is
an
excellent
point
and
I
totally
agree
with
you
there
there.
There
certainly
could
be
some
issues
that
we
could
take
a
look
at
possibly
working
on,
and
thank
you
for
that.
B
G
G
B
G
Well
as
to
whichever
vendor,
if
this
would
become
a
law
and
become
optional
for
our
districts,
they
themselves,
then
would
they
would
do
the
contracting
with
the
vendor,
of
whichever
one
that
may
be,
and
that's
the
recordings
of
those
images
then
would
be
fed
back
to
a
data
system
of
that
company
that
they
are
that
they
have
that
vending
issue
with
there
and
then,
of
course,
if
there
would
be
violations
that
could
be
viewed
and
then
brought
back
to
the
local
law
enforcement
agencies
for
citations
to
be
issued,
or
whatever
means
needs
to
be
done.
I
Can
I
add
something
quickly?
The
reason
why
the
school
district
must
be
the
contracted
body
is
because
they
have
all
of
these
protocols.
School
buses
are
an
extension
of
the
classroom,
so
whatever
privacy
issues
are
applied
in
this
classroom
are
applying
the
school
bus.
So
through
the
contract
and
procurement
process,
they
will
establish
the
same
protocols
and
regulations.
H
B
Thank
you,
madam
thank
you,
madam
chair
representative,
hale.
I'm
appreciative
of
this
legislation
having
a
nine-year-old
at
my
house
and
seeing
this
these
these
type
of
instances
happen
on
a
regular
basis
and
to
share
with
you
in
the
future.
I
wouldn't
mind
having
these
placed
within
our
school
zones.
I
know
whenever
I've
dropped
our
little
girl
off
at
school.
B
Twice
through
this
past
fall,
I've
had
someone
pass
past
me
as
we're
turning
into
the
school
entrance
right
there
and
every
year
it's
multiple
times,
and
I
know
if
I'm
experiencing
it
multiple
times,
how
many
other
individuals
are
doing
that,
and
it's
basically
due
to
individuals
that
are
running
five
minutes
late
to
work
and
it's
happens
usually
normally
every
day,
so
very
appreciative
of
this
and
the
impact
it
will
have
on
the
safety
of
our
children.
Thank
you.
G
G
It
just
really
bothers
me
that
we
have
thousands
of
violations
that
are
happening
and
it's
not
an
issue
of
of
trying
to
spy
on
somebody.
It's
trying
to
catch
an
illegal
act
that
is
happening
that
could
take
the
lives
of
our
children
as
they
exit
or
enter
onto
those
buses.
So
if
someone
has
a
problem
because
they
think
this
is
invading
on
their
privacy,
we
need
to
consider
who
we
are
talking
about
here
this
morning.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
B
E
A
B
I
appreciate
fully,
I
have
grandchildren
who
are
going
to
be
boarding
school
buses.
I
want
them
to
be
safe.
I
just
would
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
after
assuming
the
bill
will
pass
about
how
we
can
do
both
fully
protect
the
rights
of
the
people
who
will
be
videoed
or
are
with
the
cameras
and
protect
our
children
fully
as
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
representative
donahue.
Yes,.
E
F
I'm
a
yes
today,
and
I
can't
thank
you
all
enough
for
for
putting
this
forward
as
someone
who
is
very
connected
to
the
school
system
in
fayette
county
public
schools,
this
is
desperately
needed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
A
G
A
E
E
E
There
is
a,
I
don't
know
if
I
call
it
a
disease,
but
there
is
a
alcohol
disease.
There's
a
problem.
It's
called
glue,
ear,
which
I
had
never
heard
of
before,
and
many
children
suffer
with
it
and
it
can
lead
to
temporary
hearing
loss.
E
You
know
we've
gotten
back
to
phonics
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
people
we're
speaking
to
the
children
understand
something
called
phonological
awareness
and
it
is
difficult,
for
example,
when
you're
wearing
a
mask
the
t,
the
person
you're
talking
to
is
wearing
a
mask
to
differentiate
between
a
p
and
a
t.
That's
very
important
masks
have
caused
asthma
and
breathing
issues.
E
E
Take
them
off
when
coming
out
whether
they're
going
to
just
outside
for
a
break
and
then
when
they
they
shove
them
back
in
their
purse
or
their
or
their
pocket,
and
then
they
pull
them
out
again
when
they
go
back
to
school,
go
back
to
the
school
building.
E
E
There
have
been
studies
that
show
that
mass
don't
work
in
lessening
the
spread
of
covid.
Even
our
own
university
of
louisville
has
reported
that
parents
should
be
able
to
make
their
own
decision
regarding
mass
through
high
school
college.
Students
can
vote
for
president
shouldn't.
They
also
be
allowed
to
make
their
own
masking
decision.
A
E
A
We
need
to
motion,
we
need
to
adopt
this
first,
please,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
of
the
sub
by
representative
hart
a
second
bye.
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
believe
we
have
a
mass
mandate
in
this
building.
Take
a
look
around
the
room.
E
You
know
what
we
talked
about
last
session
here
about
how
important
it
was
for
local
control
and
how
we
really
push
for
that
as
a
legislative
body,
and
I
don't
understand
why
we're
trying
to
take
away
that
opportunity
to
have
local
control.
So
can
you
explain
that
to
me
I'll
attempt
to
explain
it?
If
you
said
take
a
look
around
the
room,
I
would
also
say
take
a
look
around
the
room.
You
know
it's
roughly
50
50.
people
are
wearing
masks,
not
wearing
masks,
it's
certainly
not
universal.
C
Thank
you
I'll,
just
I'll
make
it
a
comment.
I
think
I've
struggled
with
this
bill
because
of
the
same
reasons
that
have
been
lifted
about
you
know.
We
in
this
special
session
passed
a
bill
to
give
the
local
control
to
local
school
boards,
because
I
think
personally,
I
think
that
they're
in
their
communities
and
they're,
probably
they're
duly
elected
officials
and
they're
the
best
people
to
make
that
decision.
C
That
being
said,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
commentary
and
received
a
lot
of
input
from
other
people
in
the
community.
So
for
purposes
of
that,
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
full
debate
on
this
issue
and
I
thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
the
attention
of
the
of
a
body
that
certainly
has
to
engage
in
that
debate.
C
H
Thank
you,
chairwoman.
In
the
bill,
you
talk
about
mutated
strains
of
covet
19
and
not
mandating
the
requirement
to
wear
masks
on
public
school
premises,
but
the
reality
is.
We
have
public
mandates
about
public
property
and
if
the
bill
itself
is
acknowledging
that
there
are
mutated
in
multiple
strains
of
covet
19,
why
would
we
not
want
to
protect
ourselves
and
especially
our
most
vulnerable,
our
children
from
this
global
virus.
A
F
F
Recent
data
in
kentucky
has
shown
that
people
within
schools
daily
are
more
susceptible
to
contracting
covid19
than
the
general
public
house.
Bill.
51
would
remove
the
ability
of
colleges
and
schools
to
be
guided
by
science
when
decisions
are
made
on
masking
policies
and
prohibiting
the
ability
to
require
masks
would
remove
one
of
the
layered
preventive
strategies
that
helps
keeps
kids
in
school
and
learning,
and
we're
also
concerned
about
the
the
possibility
of
even
more
educators
leaving
the
profession
if
they
feel
they're
at
risk
greater
risk
for
covid19.
F
B
F
A
A
A
B
Thank
you.
My
name
is
kristen
worthen.
I
am
a
mom.
We
live
in
oldham
county.
This
is
my
daughter,
harper
she's
11.,
so
I'm
here
today
just
to
represent
the
perspective
of
a
vulnerable
family
living
through
this
pandemic
and
in
opposition
to
this
bill.
B
B
B
It's
astounding
to
me
that
we
have
spent
so
much
time
without
masks
during
this
pandemic,
and
we
certainly
don't
want
them
in
schools
any
more
than
we
have
to.
I
don't
want
them
to
be
in
place
permanently,
but
there
are
times
when
the
numbers
of
community
spread
are
high
enough
to
where
we
absolutely
need
them
and
if
you
all
want
to
tie
the
decision
of
whether
masks
can
be
in
schools
to
public
health
markers
to
reasonable
public
health
markers
fantastic.
B
A
J
D
E
A
C
Thank
you,
I'm
voting
no,
and
it
is
a
local
control
issue,
just
as
I
said
in
this
committee
with
regards
to
the
15
minutes
and
school
boards
with
regards
to
another
bill
regarding
solar
panels
and
well
frankly,
16
years
here
of
voting
for
local
control
on
almost
every,
if
not
every
situation.
C
I've
talked
to
the
three
superintendents
that
I
represent.
C
One
district
has
gotten
rid
of
it
already
the
another
one
today
is
the
last
day
of
their
mandate
and
another
one
is,
is
in
fully
operational
and
it
probably
will
be
for
a
while
yet
to
come,
and
I
respect
their
understanding
of
their
school
district
and
their
ability
to
do
what
they
feel
like
is
best
for
their
district.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
C
I'm
a
yes
vote
for
today,
because
I
think
that
this
merits
more
debate,
since
there
is
a
lot
of
dispute
within
our
communities
about
this.
I've
never
really
seen
in
my
time
here
and
a
matter
becomes
so
divisive
in
the
interest
of
rights
versus
health,
and
so
I
think
I
would.
I
would
like
to
hear
further
debate
that
we're
limited
to
in
this
committee
meeting
at
a
certain
amount
of
time,
so
with
that
I'll
vote.
Yes
for
today.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
A
B
Similarly,
I
struggled
with
this
decision
because
I
felt
like
we
did
give
local
control
in
a
special
session,
and
I
have
talked
to
my
superintendents,
but
I
I'm
gonna
vote
yesterday
and
with
reserve
the
right
to
vote
no
on
the
house
floor.
Thank
you,
representative
rayburn.
Yes,
representative,
riley,.
C
Briefly,
explain
my
vote
proceed.
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes,
I'm
like
a
lot
of
people
conflicted
about
this
one.
I
do
think
the
mass
has
negatively
impacted
learning,
especially
when
it
comes
to
reading
for
elementary
students
and
young
folks.
I
think
it's
had
a
a
negative
impact.
Obviously,
as
the
sponsor
mentioned,
facial
expressions
are
so
big
when
they,
when,
when
you
try
to
teach
reading
and
those
type
of
things,
I'm
also
concerned
about
local
control,
though,
and
when
we
use
it,
here's
what
I've
discovered
about
local
control
in
frankfort.
C
H
H
We
also
know
that
there
was
a
disproportionate
impact
of
covet
19
on
black
and
latinx
people
in
kentucky,
as
well
as
the
reality
of
vaccine
apartheid
where
it
wasn't
available
in
certain
communities
like
mine,
we
saw
entire
school
districts
close
because
of
covet
19
outbreaks,
so
this
is
about
public
health,
not
your
personal
preferences,
and
I
have
to
reject
the
narrative
that
nothing
works
in
fighting
covet
19,
because,
time
and
time
again
that's
the
message
that
we're
receiving
so
I'm
voting
no
on
this
bill.
Thank
you.
Chairwoman.
F
Madam
chair
explain
my
vote
proceed.
You
know.
Obviously
I
have
a
very,
very
close
relationship
with
the
with
the
school
system
and
I
had
a
constituent
come
to
me
the
other
day
and
said
you
know:
what
do
we
got
to
do
to
keep
kids
in
person?
F
F
So
that's
why
I'm
a
no
vote
today
to
keep
local
control
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
making
sure
that
we're
keeping
kids
in
person?
Thank
you.
A
C
C
I
do
agree
with
the
concept
of
local
control,
but
I
think
in
this
case
we
need
to
have
further
discussion.
The
gentleman
mr
webber
mentioned
he
was
going
to
get
us
some
information.
I
want
to
continue
to
study
this
issue
like
the
sponsor
the
chair
mentioned,
sponsored
the
bill.
I'm
sorry
mentioned
and
representative
riley
mentioned.
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
impact
on
learning
across
our
state
in
2019,
the
third
grade,
k-prep
reading
proficiency
scores
were
52.7.
C
We
did
not
test
in
2020,
but
the
2021
scores
came
back
that
reading
proficiency
score
was
29.8
and
we
all
understand,
especially
for
early
literacy,
the
importance
of
those
facial
expressions
learning
to
make
those
sounds
to
understand
those
sounds.
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
to
consider
here.
I'm
going
to
vote
yesterday.
J
B
A
A
O
K
O
O
A
O
Originally
in
the
bill,
we
included
k-12
and
post-secondary
education
when
it
comes
to
biological
males
playing
in
female
sports.
But
with
this
committee
sub
and
after
talking
with
many
of
my
colleagues,
we
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
to
cut
out
kindergarten
through
fifth
grade,
since
that
a
lot
of
puberty
changes
doesn't
occur
until
latter.
Fourth
early
fifth
grade,
so
this
committee
sub
takes
k
through
five
out
of
this
measure.
O
First
of
all,
you
could
use
an
original
unedited
birth
certificate
and
in
cases
where
a
birth
certificate
is
edited-
and
there
are
times
that
does
happen
at
times,
mother
doesn't
declare
the
paternity
in
other
states
that
is
not
necessary
for
to
declare
sex
at
birth.
So
in
those
cases,
then
a
sworn
affidavit
from
a
physician,
advanced
practice
registered
nurse,
a
physician's
assistant
or
a
chiropractor
is
sufficient.
O
O
If
a
female
student
is
deprived
of
an
athletic
opportunity
or
suffers
direct
or
indirect
harm
or
is
retaliated
against
as
a
result
of
a
violation,
then
she
shall
have
a
private
cause
of
legal
action
in
that
action.
She
will
be
entitled
to
two
things:
first
of
all,
an
injunctive
relief,
which
is
a
court
order
stating
that
the
violator
or
the
violation
should
have
to
stop
immediately.
O
O
Higher
hemoglobin
levels,
which
carries
oxygen
throughout
the
body
muscle
to
fat
ratios
compared
to
females,
are
much
greater
greater
bone
density,
greater
metabolism
rate,
thus
releasing
faster
energy.
The
clear
physiological
differences
led
to
major
physical
advantages
for
males
over
females.
Many
of
you
all
may
remember
florence
griffith
joyner,
commonly
known
as
flojo.
O
This
lady
was
the
epitome
of
female
sports.
She
worked
she
labored
and
she
reached
the
pinnacle,
but
in
2017
37
high
school
boys
beat
her
record
in
the
hundred
meter.
Those
boys
didn't
train
as
she
trained.
They
didn't
work
and
put
the
effort
in
that
she
did,
but
because
of
their
birth
they
had
physiological
and
physical
advantages.
O
We
see
that
we
need
to
create
a
level
playing
field
for
our
girls
across
the
commonwealth.
In
many
sports
organizations.
The
only
requirement
for
playing
as
a
transgender
female
is
a
year
of
testosterone,
suppressants
or
blockers,
but
that
in
itself
is
not
enough,
because
by
the
time
puberty
comes,
the
physiological
differences
are
already
so
prevalent
and
the
physical
advantages
are
already.
There
isn't
ironic
here.
We
are
today
50
years
after
title
ix,
that
we
are
defending
women's
sports.
O
O
O
It
ensures
both
biological
females.
Biological
males
have
a
level
playing
field.
We
don't
want
to
deprive
any
of
the
females
of
these
opportunities.
This
is
not
a
democrat
issue.
This
is
not
a
republican
issue.
This
is
not
a
red
state
blue
state
issue.
There
has
been
a
poll
all
across
america
that
people
are
crying
out,
save
women's
sports.
O
But
let
me
just
give
you
just
a
little
bit
of
scientific
information
here:
men
average
around
60
to
100
percent,
greater
arm
strength,
25
to
60
percent,
greater
leg
strength
and
approximately
60
percent
greater
grip
strength
than
women
in
baseball
tennis
and
volleyball
men
are
able
to
throw
hit.
Kick
the
ball
further
faster
than
women.
O
On
average,
females
throw
a
ball
at
60
miles
per
hour
when,
on
average,
a
male
does
the
same
at
81
miles
per
hour.
The
advantages
are
distinct,
they
are
there
and
this
issue
needs
to
be
taken
care
of,
and
here
we
are
today
defending
our
women's
sports
and
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
have
my
witnesses,
give
them
time
to
speak
and
to
share
their
testimony.
K
K
K
I've
swam
competitively
for
competitively
for
12
years
on
a
club
team
and
high
school
team
as
well.
When
I
was
first
asked
to
testify
today,
I
was
actually
very
excited.
I've
been
outspoken
on
this
issue
from
the
start
and
of
course
many
will
think
this
is.
This
is
a
religious
issue
or
morality
issue
for
me,
but
nothing
could
be
further
from
the
truth.
K
K
K
K
K
This
does
not
mean
that
women
can't
aren't
capable
of
doing
many
things
that
men
can
do,
and
sometimes
we
do
them
better,
but
men
and
women
are
very
different.
Physically
men
are
stronger
than
women.
Women
are
built
differently,
typically
have
more
body.
Fat
are
normally
shorter
than
men
and
generally
have
a
smaller
build
than
men.
K
K
K
K
K
So
I'd
like
for
everyone
to
imagine
for
a
moment
that
your
daughter
is
a
swimmer
who
has
worked
her
entire
career
towards
a
goal
of
being
state
champion.
In
her
event,
she
goes
to
two
practices
a
day
six
days
a
week
for
years,
and
this
is
something
I've
experienced,
does
dryland
work,
lifts
weights,
eats
properly
spends
time
going
to
shrug,
turn
and
start
clinics
and
finally
reaches
her
goal
of
making
it
to
the
final
heat
of
the
state
competition.
K
She
suits
up
in
her
tech
suit
moves
behind
the
block
and
you
can
see
the
nervousness
on
her
face.
She
steps
up
on
the
block,
she
looks
to
her
left
or
right,
and
what
does
she
see?
A
six
foot,
five
inch
transition,
male
who
went
through
puberty
as
a
male,
and
she
knows
in
that
instant.
She
will
have
to
settle
for
runner-up.
K
K
K
K
K
The
male
top
qualifier,
also
a
senior
came
in
with
a
time
of
49
45.92,
but
this
is
not
just
about
the
top
qualifiers.
I
compared
the
bottom
mail
qualifying
times
to
the
female
qualifying
times
and
of
the
200
freestyle.
The
bottom
qualifier,
which
means
40
out
of
40,
will
qualify
for
the
girls,
race
and
24th,
and
in
the
100
freestyle,
the
40th
male
qualifier,
the
last
qualifier
in
the
state
will
qualify
third
and
the
female
100
freestyle.
K
I
took
an
average
of
the
top
qualifying
times
for
all
female
and
male
events,
and
the
males
were
on
average
4.8
seconds
faster
than
the
females.
If
we
have
a
true
and
honest
conversation
about
this,
does
this?
Does
anyone
really
believe
that
any
amount
of
hormone,
suppressants
and
female
hormone
shots
would
fix
this
gap
in
performance?
K
K
K
K
K
If
we
allow
males
to
compete
against
females,
we
might
as
well
throw
title
night
in
the
in
the
trash
women
spent
decades
fighting
to
be
treated
as
first-class
citizens
fighting
for
fairness
and
inclusion,
and
we
are
about
to
go
down
that
path.
Again,
we
are
taking
away
a
woman's
ability
to
compete
fairly
and
have
success.
K
Leah
thomas,
who
was
recently
who's
recently
been
in
the
center
of
this
controversy
she's.
The
university
of
pennsylvania
swimmer,
has
yet
to
lose
a
race
against
her
female
competitors,
and
she
is
smashing
the
records
of
some
of
the
top
female
swimmers
in
history.
She's
doing
this
because
she
was
born
a
male
and
still
genetically
a
male
again.
I
asked
where's
the
aclu
on
this
one.
Why
are
they
not
standing
up
for
the
rights
of
the
young
women
here?
K
K
It
is
what
you
are.
Women
are
still
discriminated
against
even
today,
and
if
you
choose
to
transition,
this
is
your
choice.
You
know
the
benefits
and
the
consequences,
and
this
is
a
conscientious
choice
you
are
making.
You
do
not
embody
the
experiences,
challenges
and
feel
physiological
differences
of
being
female.
K
K
Once
again,
I'm
sure
that
that
some
will
call
me
a
bigot
after
today
that
I
don't
care
about
the
lbgtq
community
and
I'm
a
hater.
Some
feel
that
when
you
disagree
with
this
community,
they
must
bully
you
into
submission
by
calling
you
names,
but
I
will
not
be
bullied
into
submission,
because
this
is
not
fair.
K
K
K
I'd
love
to
play
women's
tennis!
I
only
want
to
play
girls
because
I
don't
want
to
be
embarrassed.
I
would
not
do
the
tour.
I
would
not
do
billie
jean
king
any
disservice.
So
andy
stop
it
I'm
not
going
to.
Let
you
kill
me,
I'm
just
so
disheartened,
not
only
as
a
coach,
a
former
female
athlete
and
a
woman
that
these
things
are
even
being
considered
and
I'm
not
a
feminist,
but
I
do
believe
that
women
would
should
be
treated
fairly.
K
P
Good
morning,
madam
chair
again,
I'm
matt
sharp
senior
counsel
with
alliance
defending
freedom.
Women
deserve
to
compete
on
a
level
playing
field
and
allowing
males
to
compete
in
women's
sports,
destroys
fair
competition
and
women's
athletic
opportunities.
Biological
sex
is
indisputably
the
single
biggest
driver
of
athletic
advantage.
Men
generally
have
a
10
to
20
percent
advantage
depending
on
the
sport
over
females,
and
the
science
shows
that
comparably
fit
and
trained
males
will
always
have
physical
advantages
over
women.
P
P
Unfortunately,
across
the
country
we're
seeing
more
and
more
instances
where
males
have
taken
away
championships,
records
and
countless
athletic
opportunities
from
female
athletes
in
2019,
cece
telfer,
a
biological
male
who
identifies
as
female
dominated
the
400
meter
hurdles
at
the
ncaa
d2
national
championship,
telfer
actually
improved
in
several
track
and
field
events.
After
a
year
of
testosterone,
suppression
in
connecticut
two
males
captured
15
women's
championships,
set
17
new
records
and
took
over
80
opportunities
to
advance
in
competition
that
rightfully
belonged
to
females.
P
P
Allowing
males
on
girls
teams
means
that
a
girl
is
not
is
going
to
lose
a
spot
on
her
team
she's
going
to
lose
the
numerous
benefits
that
flow
from
participating
in
sports,
such
as
learning
teamwork,
how
to
overcome
adversity
and
leadership
skills.
In
fact,
a
recent
survey
of
women
business
leaders
from
inc.com
found
that
94
percent
of
those
women
leaders
had
participated
in
sports.
They
described
how
vital
those
athletic
experiences
were
to
their
professional
development.
P
Every
girl
in
kentucky,
many
of
whom
will
one
day,
grow
up
to
be
business
community,
and
perhaps
even
legislative
leaders
should
have
the
same
athletic
opportunity
available
to
her
in
sports.
Biology
is
what
matters
and
when
we
ignore
science
and
biological
reality,
women
pay
the
price
allowing
males
to
compete
in
girls.
Sports
reverses
nearly
50
years
of
advances
for
women
and
that's
neither
fair
nor
equal.
The
solution
to
that
is
hp
23..
Thank
you.
M
Hi,
I'm
hallie
gravley,
I'm
a
senior
in
high
school.
Thank
you,
representative,
dodson,
for
presenting
this
bill
and
allowing
female
athletes
like
myself
to
share
how
much
the
integrity
of
women's
sports
means
to
us.
My
name
is
holly
gravely
and
I'm
a
current
senior
at
whitford
academy
and
an
ambassador
for
young
women
for
america.
M
Young
women
for
america
is
a
project
of
concern.
Women
for
america,
the
nation's
largest
public
policy,
women's
organization
in
the
nation
as
a
female
athlete
in
the
in
kentucky.
The
importance
and
significance
of
keeping
girls
sports
for
girls
only
is
extremely
important
to
me.
Since
I
was
eight
years
old,
I
have
been
a
figure
skater
and
have
swam
three
seasons
with
the
swim
team.
Throughout
the
past
six
years,
just
last
week
I
completed
my
senior
year
swim
season.
M
I
finished
middle
school
and
high
school
sports
without
the
trauma
of
being
forced
to
compete
alongside
a
male
claiming
to
be
a
female.
That
is
not
a
privilege.
It
is
my
right.
If
we
do
not
take
a
stand
today,
girls
across
the
state
will
not
be
afforded
the
same
experience.
I
was
afforded
everything
about
how
our
sports
are
structured,
recognizes
the
uniqueness
of
men
and
women.
M
If
I'm
in
a
relay
of
four
people-
and
one
of
my
teammates
cannot
swim,
we
would
never
be
able
to
throw
in
a
male
swimmer
from
our
school
to
help
us
complete
the
relay.
This
is
not
fair.
It
gives
our
team
an
unfair
advantage
over
the
other
female
relay
swimmers,
because
men
are
biologically
different.
M
As
a
woman
and
an
athlete,
I
cannot
comprehend
how
someone's
gender
confusion.
Confusion
changed
the
simple,
scientific
and
biological
fact
if
how
we
can
compete
in
sports
and
what
team
we
are
on
is
dictated
by
our
feelings
at
that
time.
What
prohibits
the
scenario
I
just
explained
from
becoming
a
reality:
leah,
thomas,
a
male
swimmer,
currently
competing
on
the
women's
team
for
the
university
of
pennsylvania.
First
competed
for
three
years
on
the
men's
team
and
ranked
number
462
nationally
today,
leah
ranks
number
one
and
is
crushing
females
to
athletes
times
by
38
seconds.
M
Our
academic
futures
and
scholarships
are
on
the
line
as
an
ambassador
for
young
women
for
america.
I
represent
not
only
myself
as
an
athlete,
but
also
young
women
across
the
state
and
this
country,
who
believe
one
of
the
most
foundational
truths
that
have
existed
from
the
beginning
of
time.
God
created
two
distinct
sexes.
Male
and
female.
Allowing
biological
males
to
compete
in
women's
sports
is
an
attack
on
science
on
physical
reality
and
a
betrayal
of
women
rights.
M
So
on
behalf
of
the
thousands
of
young
women,
I
represent
I'd
like
to
take
this
moment
to
once
again
thank
representative
dotson
for
including
protections
for
female
college
athletes
in
this
bill.
As
a
high
school
senior
headed
for
college,
whether
fema
athletes
are
protected
at
the
collegiate
level
will
begin
to
factor
into
young
women
athletes.
Decision
making
will
talented
kentucky
athletes
stay
in
the
state
to
compete
for
titles,
or
will
they
be
forced
to
head
to
another
state
in
search
of
the
fair
opportunities
they
deserve?
M
Women
and
girl
athletes
at
every
level
of
education
deserve
protection
in
sports
and
school
facilities.
Every
legislator
must
ask
themselves
if
they
will
fight
for
true
women's
progress
or
if
they
will
stand
by
and
watch.
If
every
shred
of
progress
women
have
made
in
the
past
few
decades
is
erased
by
ignoring
biological
reality.
M
A
F
Yes,
chairwoman,
huff
david
walls
here
with
the
family
foundation
I'll,
be
incredibly
brief,
we're
in
strong
support
of
house
bill
23
and
it's
common
sense
protections
for
female
sports.
Thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
to
hear
this
important
issue
and
on
behalf
of
our
thousands
of
supporters
across
the
commonwealth
that
have
reached
out
on
this
issue.
We
are
greatly
appreciative
of
senator
representative
dodson
for
hearing
this
issue
and
for
the
opportunity
to
to
be
in
favor
of
this
legislation
today.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
that
we're
going
to
or
three
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
address
right
now
and
then
we'll
have.
We
do
have
some
that
would
like
to
express
their
concerns
against
the
measure
and
we'll
allow
that
after
and
then
they
will
have
opportunity
to
be
questioned
as
well.
Representative
bojanowski.
D
O
D
D
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
well,
similar
to
what
my
colleague
just
said.
The
overwhelming
number
of
kids
in
kentucky
who
participate
in
sports
are
not
elite
athletes.
They
just
want
to
have
fun.
They
want
a
sense
of
belongingness.
B
We
all
you
know,
could
probably
recite
the
benefits
of
participating
on
a
sports
team,
the
sense
of
camaraderie,
the
sense
of
belonging,
the
sense
of
achievement,
the
sense
of
discipline
and
work
ethic-
and
we
know
research-
tells
us
that
participating
in
sports,
not
necessarily
at
an
elite
level,
just
at
a
fun
level
and
being
part
of
the
team
translates
into
academic
achievement
for
kids,
and
I
just
wonder
representative,
if
you've,
given
any
thought
to
the
academic
consequences
for
your
bill
for
excluding
some
middle
school
kids
from
participating
in
sports
with
their
friends.
O
O
The
issue
is
with
this
across
the
state,
even
though
we
don't
have
transgender
females,
winning
state
titles
out
here
being
come
world
class,
but
what
they
are
doing
is
taking
up
spots
on
teams
to
where
young
females
cannot
compete
because
they
don't
qualify,
they
didn't
make
the
team,
so
therein
lies.
The
issue
representative
wilner,
is
that
these
young,
ladies,
are
excluded,
because
a
transgender
male
female
has
jumped
into
that
spot.
B
May
I
briefly
respond
yes
briefly.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
that
response.
There
really
are
title
ix
issues.
There
is
deep
underinvestment
in
girls
and
women's
sports,
and
you
can
see
it.
You
know
in
locker
rooms
across
the
state
where
the
boys
uniforms
compared
to
the
girls
uniforms
and
so
forth.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
questions
have
been
answered,
but
I'd
just
like
to
make
a
couple
comments.
If
I
could
you
know
there
are
the
kentucky
state
athletic
association,
there
are
some
clear
defined
requirements
as
to
participating
in
sports.
Excuse
me,
and
also
you
know,
there's
so
few
people
that
really
excel
in
high
school
and
college
and
actually
on
a
professional
level.
The
percentages
go
down,
but
let
me
finish
with
this.
As
a
kid
growing
up,
you
know
we
played
basketball
on
the
basketball
court
or
played
baseball.
E
A
D
D
I
want
to
start
out
with
house
bill.
23
violates
the
united
states
constitution
and
title
ix
of
the
civil
rights
act
by
imposing
a
wholesale
ban
on
girls
and
young
women
who
are
transgender
from
participating
in
athletics,
consistent
with
their
gender
identity
and
trans
youth.
Just
like
all,
youth
simply
want
to
play
want
to
participate
in
the
activities
they
love,
including
athletics.
D
D
D
Other
states
that
have
passed
similar
laws
are
currently
facing
litigation
in
federal
court
and
these
are-
and
these
cases
are
currently
he
cox
and
little
it's
in
it's
injunction.
So
it's
not
they're,
not
determined.
The
outcome
isn't
determined
yet,
but
we're
still
waiting.
But
this
is
because
of
the
unconstitutional
nature
of
these
laws
and
when
a
state
enacts
unconstitutional
laws
and
loses
in
courts,
the
taxpayers
foot
the
bill.
D
Ultimately,
this
bill
violates
title
ix,
puts
kentucky
at
risk
of
losing
money,
harms
transgender
youth
all
to
solve
a
problem
that
plainly
does
not
exist.
Transgender
students
already
live
and
go
to
school
in
kentucky,
they
already
play
sports
and
they
have
for
decades,
and
there
is
not
any
categorical
dominance
in
kentucky,
because
these
students
are
playing.
A
Thank
you.
We
also
have
chris
hartman
to
speak.
If
you
would,
please
come
to
the
table,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
You
may
proceed.
N
Thank
you
very
much
chair
huff.
Vice
chair
riley
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
chris
hartman,
I'm
executive
director
of
the
fairness
campaign.
I
will
be
very
brief.
First,
I
will
say
I
think
it's
quite
telling
that
matt
sharp
from
the
alliance
defending
freedom
is
here
has
been
flown
in
from
a
national
group
to
you
know,
present
a
a
a
manufactured
national
solution
in
search
of
a
local
kentucky
problem
that
does
not
exist.
N
Matt
and
the
alliance
defending
freedom
have
been
traveling
all
across
the
nation
peddling.
This
politically
motivated
bill
that
once
again
does
not
address
a
real
situation
here.
In
kentucky
last
night,
I
sent
members
of
the
committee
some
information
I'll
reference
it
here
briefly.
I
want
to
start
this
morning,
though,
where
I
think
that
we
can
all
agree.
First,
we
at
the
fairness
campaign
believe
people
deserve
to
be
treated
with
dignity
and
respect,
including
transgender
people.
N
The
truth
is,
as
we've
heard,
very
few
trans
kids
play
sports
beyond
middle
school
and
they
play
sports
for
the
same
reason
as
every
other
kid
they
want
to
do
something
they
love.
They
want
to
spend
invaluable
time
with
their
friends
and
coaches,
making
memories
that
will
truly
last
a
lifetime
and
in
the
rare
instance
that
a
trans
kid
does
go
on
to
play.
Sports
in
high
school
and
beyond
sports
associations
have
already
put
policies
in
place
to
ensure
a
level
playing
field.
Those
policies
do
deserve
to
be
revisited
from
time
to
time.
N
N
And
so
I
hope
chairwoman
huff
will
allow
you
to
hear
from
our
two
families,
first
brian
jennifer
and
their
daughter,
fisher
and
then
second
ray
and
her
daughter
cedar.
And
then
we
also
have
an
elite
athlete
here
to
share
her
experience,
rhys,
raglan
and
apparent
jonathan
lowe,
who
would
also
like
to
share
his
experience.
N
F
F
N
Representative,
I
don't
see
how
that
has
any
relevance
here.
You
buy
the.
N
Chair,
if
I
might
respond
briefly
that
that
comparison
has
no
relevancy
here,
look
again
we're
talking,
I
think,
what's
at
the
heart
of
the
issue,
is
high
school
sports
and
beyond
and
again
you
already
have
a
situation
set
up
in
which
high
school
trans
girls
cannot
compete
on
girls,
sports
teams
in
kentucky
today.
A
Q
Hello,
I
am
fisher
wells
and
I
really
enjoy
playing
on
westport
middle
school's,
girls
field
hockey
team
and
the
reason
that
is
is
because
I
have
learned
so
much.
I've
learned
how
to
be
humble.
Q
I
have
learned
how
to
lose
and
lose
hard.
We
lost
a
game
by
10
points.
That's
funny!
It's
not!
I
love
playing
with
my
team.
I
love
making
new
friends.
I
made
a
ton
of
new
friends,
three
of
my
classmates
joined.
I
didn't
know
like
any
of
them.
Three
of
my
classmates.
I
didn't
know
them
it's
a
small
classroom,
but
then
I
got
on
a
sports
team
with
them
and
we
played
and
we
played
field
hockey
and
we
played
hard
and
we'd
recently
won
a
couple
of
games,
and
that
was
exciting.
Q
Before
westport
really
didn't
have
a
field
hockey
team,
it
was
something
off
to
the
side.
It
was
like
a
banner
in
the
gym,
but
there
was
nothing
to
really
recognize
it,
except
for
the
banner
in
the
gym,
and
nobody
really
wanted
to
join
at
all.
So
I
yelled
at
people
to
join
the
team
and
we
got
a
team
and
we
got
the
bare
minimum
to
play
and
we
played
hard
and
that
was
really
fun
and
saying
that
biological
males
have
the
physical
advantage.
Okay,
but
they
also
train
super
hard
for
it.
Q
Q
Q
My
friends
and
I
have
recently
joined
a
ymca
league
and
that's
a
different
experience
altogether,
but
it's
really
fun
because
after
a
game,
we
like
hang
out
for
a
bit
and
we
kind
of
goof
around
and
have
fun.
I
call
my
teammate
alex
almost
every
night
and
we
goof
off
every
night
and
it's
really
goofy.
I've
learned
a
lot.
I've
had
a
lot
of
fun
and
I'm
gonna
go
off
script
a
minute
and
in
fifth
grade
there's
this
girl
and
she
is
a
lot
smaller
than
me.
Q
She
is
not
built
like
me,
I
am
a
lot
taller
and
I
was
80
pounds
and
she
was
about
65
pounds,
but
she
could
pick
me
up
and
carry
me
across
the
entire
soccer
field
and
I
think
that's
incredible.
She
was
65
pounds
and
she
carried
what
like
25
pounds
over
her
weight.
Q
That's
insane!
I've
worked
really
hard
to
play
this
sport.
I
just
hope
you'll,
let
me
play
in
8th
grade.
I
don't
care
if
I
don't
get
to
play
in
high
school.
I
just
want
to
play.
Thank
you.
R
R
R
It
made
me
wonder,
I'm
more
than
average
tall
for
a
woman
and
I'm
more
than
average
tall
for
a
man
should
I,
because
of
my
biology,
be
not
allowed
to
play
basketball.
I
think
we
can
see
that.
That's
not
true,
which
makes
me
ask
the
question:
why
should
fisher
be
discriminated
against
for
her
biology.
R
R
This
brings
me
to
the
point
of
scholastic
of
school
athletics.
The
point
is
to
do
better
as
a
person
to
do
better
by
learning
how
to
lose
learning
how
to
win
and
learning
how
to
support
your
team
members-
and
I
beg
you-
I
beg
you
fisher
without
fisher.
There
would
not
be
a
team
at
all
at
westport,
and
so
I
beg
you,
let
her
play
in
eighth
grade.
L
Good
morning
and
for
the
record,
my
name
is
brian
wells.
We
just
want
to
see
our
daughter
be
able
to
play
the
sport
that
she
loves
with
the
fringe
that
she
loves.
As
my
wife
was
saying,
without
fisher,
there
would
not
have
been
a
team.
She
did
not
take
anyone's
spot.
She
created
spots
for
those
girls
to
play
and
the
work
that
she
put
in
to
do
that
was
extraordinary.
L
It
was
great
to
see
that
kind
of
enthusiasm
and
leadership
in
a
seventh
grader
that
kind
of
an
affection
for
a
school
and
for
a
program
that
seemed
to
come
out
of
the
blue.
It
was
inspiring
and
exciting,
and
when
we
had
a
moment
where
we
received
a
call
where
she
may
not
be
able
to
play-
or
she
might
not
have
been
able
to
play,
it
was
a
needle
scratch
moment.
The
world
seemed
to
stop,
and
I
thought
okay
here
it
comes.
L
Here's
the
the
beginning
of
this
kind
of
of
more
contentious
phase
of
our
lives.
After
all,
the
work
that
you
put
in
and
the
her
energy
to
watch
her
face
fall
as
we
had
to
give
her.
That
news
was
absolutely
devastating.
L
Unfortunately,
the
the
language
of
inclusion
in
the
jcps
guidelines
for
participation
was
such
that
it
allowed
her
to
participate,
as
we've
outlined
here
before.
If
this
were
in
high
school.
That
would
not
be
the
case,
because
the
khsaa
guidelines
would
have
would
have
precedence
in
those
instances,
but
because
of
that
inclusive
language,
fisher's
hard
work
paid
off
and
she
was
able
to
make
the
hard
work
of
her
teammates
pay
off
a
bill
like
this.
L
Could
absolutely
stop
that
all
I
think
when
people
debate
this
they're
usually
focused
on
highly
competitive
college
sports
and
the
edge
cases
of
scholarship
awards
and
truly
the
the
kind
of
of
edge
decisions
that
don't
happen
here.
But
when
we
talk
about
elite
athletics
and
making
policy
based
on
very
small
numbers,
that
would
be
like
the
usda
deciding
nutritional
guidelines
based
on
the
caloric
intake
of
michael
phelps,
and
lord
knows,
I've
tried
that
in
a
day,
but
it's
not
a
good
basis
for
policy.
L
So
you
know
we're
asking
that
kids
like
fisher,
who
just
want
to
play
sports
with
their
friends,
have
fun
and
learn
to
work,
to
get
together
to
get
exercise
and
enjoy
the
game.
Have
that
chance?
I
think
we've
alluded
to
the
fact
that
fisher's
athletic
performance
was
not
outstanding.
She
did
not
contribute
her
contribution
to
the
team
was
not
in
terms
of
points
scored
or
shots
blocked.
L
No
one
displayed
better
sportsmanship
and
no
one
tried
harder
and
we're
asking
that,
as
you
consider
this
for
all
whatever
intent
you
have
to
protect
and
for
all
the
excellencies
of
protecting
women's
sports,
this
bill
closes
more
doors
than
it
protects.
L
L
A
S
Hello,
my
name
is
ray
strobel
and
thank
you
very
much
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
us
today.
My
name
is
ray.
This
is
my
daughter
cedar.
She
just
turned
eight
in
december.
She
loves
gymnastics
animals
collecting,
rocks
and
playing
ninja.
She
also
loves
cooking.
She
loves
playing
with
her
two
younger
siblings
ages,
five
and
four.
She
started
a
rock
club
at
her
school
this
year
and
she
also
loves
playing
soccer.
S
S
She
especially
looked
forward
to
playing
with
her
friends,
naomi
owen
and
nora,
and
I
think
nora
actually
scored
the
most
goals
because
she
had
played
the
more
seasons
and
then
I
also
want
to
interject
that
the
way
that
the
teams
were
distributed
cedar
was
actually
a
full
year
older
than
any
of
the
other
kids
on
the
team.
S
But
you
couldn't
tell
because
she's
small
for
her
age,
we
live
in
breckenridge
county
on
a
farm,
that's
been
in
my
husband's
family
for
seven
generations,
so
cedar
is
the
eighth
generation
on
that
land
and
in
that
rural
community
we
are
in
the
breckenridge
county
school
system,
the
public
schools
there
and
we
love
our
school
and
we
love
our
school
district.
S
When
cedar
was
born,
we
thought
she
was
a
boy,
but
when
she
was
two
we
got
a
box
of
hand-me-down
clothes
and
there
happened
to
be
a
dress
in
it.
It
became
her
favorite
article
of
clothing
that
I
could
barely
get
off
of
her
in
preschool.
Her
favorite
shirt
was
a
fuchsia
sequence,
sparkle
shirt
and
she
started
to
say.
I
want
to
grow
my
hair
long,
so
I
can
look
like
a
girl.
S
I
remember
I
had
a
conversation
with
her
the
first
day
she
wanted
to
wear
that
shirt
to
school,
and
I
told
her
that
some
people
might
feel
uncomfortable.
Seeing
a
boy
wearing
a
girl's,
shirt
and
some
people
might
say
some
mean
things
to
her
and
was
she
sure
that
she
really
wanted
to
wear
that
and
she
thought
about
it,
and
she
said
yes,
she
wanted
to
wear
it
anyway
in
kindergarten.
S
S
S
So
far,
she
hasn't
done
much
with
school
sports
that
will
start
next
year
in
third
grade,
and
I
do
want
to
pause
here
to
say
thank
you
for
the
substitute
bill
that
would
allow
her
to
play
in
elementary
school.
I
do
recognize
that,
and
I
I
appreciate
the
body
for
for
hearing
our
testimony
last
week.
I
know
it
was
different
people,
but
I
thank
you
for
that,
and
but
I
also
want
her
to
be
able
to
continue
in
middle
school
if
she
wants
to
so
when
the
flyers
come
home.
S
S
As
a
parent
like
any
parent,
I
want
to
protect
my
child
and
pave
the
way
for
each
of
them
to
pursue
their
interests,
dreams
and
passions.
So
on
our
journey,
we've
learned
that
a
trans
kid
needs
what
any
kid
needs:
unconditional
love
acceptance
for
who
they
are
and
support
from
their
family,
friends
and
community,
and
that
includes
being
fully
included
in
their
in
their
school
community
and
being
able
to
play
on
sports
teams
and,
ideally
through
middle
school.
S
S
M
Q
D
T
T
Last
year
I
won
the
1600
meters
and
the
800
meters
at
the
khsaa
state
championships
in
lexington.
I
have
one
of
the
top
10
fastest
mile
times
by
a
girl.
Ever
in
kentucky,
I've
decided
to
continue
my
running
career
under
a
full
athletic
scholarship
in
the
fall
for
track
and
cross
country.
Next
year
at
tulane
university.
T
T
children
across
the
country
have
a
fundamental
human
right
to
participate
in
sports.
I've
heard
20
varsity
letters
across
several
sports
and
have
been
on
teams
since
the
first
grade.
I've
always
loved
sports
and
competing
it's
part
of
who
I
am.
I
love
practice.
I
love
my
teammates.
I
love
racing
all
children,
whoever
they
are,
deserve
the
right
to
be
a
part
of
the
team.
Just
as
I
have
these
group
activities
teach
us
life,
loving
lessons
about
winning,
losing
and
learning
respect
for
the
people
around
us.
T
T
Please
kentucky
let
the
children
play
in
many
of
the
sports
offered
to
girls
of
all
ages.
Here
I
am
unfamiliar
with
any
trans
girls
outperforming
the
cisgender
girls
to
bring
this
bill
to
be
a
concern
to
the
state.
I
frankly
find
this
bill
to
be
selfish,
as
it
has
found
the
power
to
withhold
a
group
of
women
and
girls
from
dreaming
and
expressing
themselves
freely
and
not
just
in
school,
but
in
sports
as
well
of
all
the
people
I
have
run
against
with.
T
I
have
never
had
anything
but
respect
in
a
race
of
guts
and
grit.
There
may
be
those
out
there
faster
than
me,
but
a
true
athlete
could
never
be
disappointed
by
finishing,
knowing
that
they
have
worked
their
hardest.
If
I'm
going
to
win,
I
want
to
win
with
honor,
knowing
that
I
have
made
it
to
the
podium,
because
it
was
me
who
put
in
the
work
this
bill
would
give
a
person
the
opportunity
to
file
a
lawsuit
against
the
opponent
who
identifies
as
trans
for
damages
the
ability
to
file
a
lawsuit
against
an
athlete.
T
Specifically
middle
school
girls
is
despicable.
There
is
no
honor
in
a
system
allowing
one
player
to
sue
another
for
participating
based
on
an
outd,
outdated
bias
against
those
that
are
different
from
ourselves.
I
find
this
bill
to
be
an
attack
on
the
trans
community
in
kentucky.
I
urge
you
to
let
the
children
play,
just
as
we
all
have.
A
J
J
My
youngest
now
15
came
out
as
gay
in
the
fourth
grade
and
trans
this
year,
with
my
oldest,
their
self-recognition
of
gender
identity
came
later
shortly
after
high
school,
as
you
might
expect,
with
two
transgender
kids,
I've
gotten
to
know
a
good
number
of
queer
kids
they're,
a
diverse
bunch,
even
as
their
gender
identity
is
important
to
how
they
live
and
move
in
the
world.
The
most
striking
thing
about
trans
kids
is
simply
that
they
are
kids.
J
Our
message
to
you
is
simple:
let
kids
be
kids,
let
all
kids
play
house
bill.
23
is
the
quintessential
example
of
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem:
there's
no
epidemic
of
transgender
girls
dominating
girls
in
athletic
competition.
That
problem
simply
does
not
exist
in
kentucky
in
the
future.
I
guess
a
trans
girl
here
or
there
might
win
a
race
or
be
on
a
winning
soccer
team,
and
I
say
hooray
for
them:
girls
compete
and
win
and
lose
every
day
all
the
time.
This
is
not
a
crisis.
J
J
J
J
J
You
are
required
to
create
and
maintain
an
efficient
system
of
common
schools
for
all
of
kentucky's
young
people.
Even
the
queer
ones.
Hospital
23
by
excluding
a
certain
set
of
kids
from
a
key
benefit
of
kentucky's
common
schools,
is
an
abrogation
of
your
obligation
to
kentucky
families.
You
can
and
must
do
better.
Thank
you.
A
A
T
R
B
I
don't
I'm
not
in
love
with
this.
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is.
I
would
like
to
get
a
group
of
big
brains
around
and
talk
about
it.
I
this
is
not
a
vote
against
transgender
kids.
I'm
running
a
couple
lbgtq
bills
right
now,
but
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes
on
this
bill.
Thank
you,
representative,
janowski,
I'd.
D
A
C
C
I
do
believe
that
this
bill
is
not
necessarily
needed,
as
we
have
a
regulation
in
place
and
the
difference
between
the
regu.
I
understand
that
the
desire
to
put
it
in
into
statute,
but
the
difference
between
the
regulation
and
this
bill
is
the
cause
of
action,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
who
who
gets
sued
in
this.
Is
it
the
coaches?
Is
it
the
school?
Is
it
the
doctors
who
who
have
have
verified
the
gender
of
of
someone?
Is
it
other
athletes?
Is
it
the
athlete's
family?
A
H
To
explain
my
vote
chairwoman
proceed.
Thank
you!
So
I'm
a
mom
of
two
beautiful
children
and
I'm
hurt
that
we're
having
this
conversation
right
now,
because
we're
codifying
discrimination,
it's
interesting
to
me
that
with
hb
23,
it's
as
if
we're
looking
to
make
money
off
of
discrimination
with
this
monetary
damage
of
five
thousand
dollars,
and
this
bill
talks
about
retaliation.
H
Well,
the
bill
is
a
retaliation
against
transgender
athletes
for
being
their
whole,
authentic
selves
and,
quite
frankly,
the
bill
talked
about
psychological
harm.
Well,
it's
going
to
do
psychological
harm
to
trans
students
who
are
denied
their
humanity.
It's
clear
to
me
that
this
bill
isn't
about
fairness.
This
is
about
power
domination
and
control
over
people's
bodies.
This
is
unnecessary
and
instead
we
should
be
protecting
lgbtq
youth
by
banning
conversion,
torture,
ending
discrimination
in
housing
and
health
care,
and
in
this
state
legislature,
bullying
is
a
state
legislature
using
its
political
power
to
hurt
kids.
A
F
I
have
several
concerns
with
the
bill.
First
is
the
ncaa
ruling
this
past
week
and
what
that
means
for
our
post-secondary
institutions.
Obviously,
I
know
that
we
have
to
be
a
comply
with
ncaa
rules
in
order
to
participate,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that's
squared
away
as
someone
who
has
k-12
experience
with
the
majority
of
my
time,
working
with
middle
school
kids,
I
understand
that
that
time
period
is
more
about
mental
health
than
it
is
about
anything
else.
F
F
Currently,
we
are
looking
at
50
trans
athletes
out
of
200
000
ncaa
athletes,
so
for
those
non-math
people
in
the
house,
that's
a
point:
zero,
zero,
zero.
Two
five
percent
we've
got
time
to
do
this
right.
Okay,
I'd
like
to
be
part
of
the
discussion
that
representative
banta
had
mentioned,
because
there
are
physiological
things
that
I'd
like
to
work
out,
but
as
of
right
now
I
am
a
no.
A
Yes,
house
bill
23
passes
with
the
expression
of
opinion
that
the
same
should
pass
with
the
committee
sub
attached.
There
too.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
joining
us
this
morning.
Members
since
monday
is
a
holiday.
We
will
not
meet
on
tuesday
mornings,
but
please
pay
attention
and
be
aware
that
there
may
be
an
announcement
for
a
special
called
meeting.
Do
I
have
a
motion
for
adjournment?