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A
A
E
Representative
Bridges
from
Paducah
McCracken
County
represent
representing
District
three
and
leader
floor
leader,
Rudy
and
I
have
been
arm
wrestling
over
this
because
it's
such
a
good,
a
good
resolution
but
I
will
submit
and
yield
to
the
gentleman
from
McCracken
one.
C
Senators
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
house
concurrent
resolution
five
today,
which
recognizes
the
strong
economic
National
Security
Implement
implications
of
the
Jones
Act
of
federal
law
that
was
passed
in
1920.,
the
foundation
of
the
United
States
domestic
Maritime
industry,
and
support
for
our
Kentucky
Maritime
industry.
C
Many
people
do
not
realize
that
Kentucky
has
hundreds
of
miles
away
from
the
nearest
Great,
Lake
or
ocean,
but
we
rank
fifth
amongst
all
states
and
per
capita
Maritime
jobs
with
over
20
000
direct
Maritime
jobs.
Those
jobs
have
an
estimated
impact
of
5
billion
dollars
annually
on
our
economy.
C
D
D
D
D
G
Well,
I
just
want
to
commend
the
sponsor
to
bring
this
resolution.
My
grandfather
spent
his
entire
life
working
on
the
Ohio
River
I
worked
for
Ingram
Barge
Mr
Jones
and
crowns
Corporation
as
a
contractor
did
a
lot
of
work
for
them,
and
the
Jones
Act
is
a
very
valuable
resource.
I
think
in
fact,
I
think
it's
the
port
of
Huntington,
which
is
West
Virginia
Kentucky
is
one
of
the
largest
in
the
United
States
for
Inland
traffic
and
it's
a
very
valuable
resource
to
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
and
I.
Think
it's
well
worth
commemoration.
H
Yes,
sir
Angela,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
few
years
ago
we
were
sent
when
the
senate
had
a
a
retreat.
In
Paducah
we
had
the
opportunity
to
tour
a
tow
in
a
barge
operation,
and
it
was
very
impressive
and
and
I
was
really
impressed
with
the
what
what
it
takes
to
operate
when
those
tow
boats
and
and
the
time
that
they're
gone
and
the
shifts
that
they
work
and
again
was
very
impressive
and
I'm.
I'm.
Not
sure.
If
that
was
your
company,
that
we
toured
I,
don't
know,
but.
J
Good
morning,
I'm
over
here,
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
the
greatness
of
our
rivers
and
the
barge
traffic
I
live
right
on
the
Ohio
River
and
see
the
barge
traffic
and
really
didn't
realize
the
immense
amount
of
barge
traffic
that
was
on
the
river
until
you
can
see
it
where
you
live,
and
it
is
I
mean
hundreds
of
barges
daily
that
go
by
my
place,
so
I
appreciate
all
the
economic
growth
and
ability
that
your
industry
brings
to
Kentucky
into
the
surrounding
states.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
D
K
Just
a
quick
comment
as
a
some
of
the
boats
along
those
those
waterways.
Quite
often
it's
it's
entertaining
to
listen
to
some
of
your
captains,
some
of
their
banter
back
and
forth,
and
some
of
the
names
is
actually
very
colorful,
but
I
always
get
tickled
at
some
of
the
stuff
and
very,
very
talented
group
of
cabins,
as
you
all
have
but
appreciate
what
you
all
do.
K
If
I
could
follow
up
just
to
say
when
you've
got
a
lot
of
barges
in
tow
for
recreational
vehicles,
you
know
usually
you'll
contact
them
via
radio
and
let
them
know
your
location
where
you're
at
on
their
point
point
or
starboard
to
approach
them
but
to
go,
buy
them
at
speed
and
throw
that
Wake
On
A
lot
of
those
joint
bars
is
really
really
dangerous.
For
those
guys,
it
creates
a
a
lot
of
turbulence
for
them
to
try
to
keep
them
straight,
especially
if
you're
coming
into
the
lock
system.
You
bring
that
with
them.
A
I
I
A
A
E
I'm
Randy
Bridges
representative
from
District
three
and
McCracken
I
have
George
Eklund
here
and
I'll.
Let
George
introduce
himself
yeah.
E
E
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
we
have
a
force
today,
House
Bill
21
it
it
has
been
heard
in
past
the
house.
Last
year
it's
been
heard
over
the
interim
by
The
Joint
Transportation
committee
between
the
house
and
the
Senate,
and
we
bring
it
to
you
again
I'm
going
to
hit
the
highlights
of
it,
and
it
does
basically
three
things.
It
allows
homeless
children
16
to
17
years
old
to
obtain
a
certified
state
ID.
That
does
not
give
them
a
driver's
license.
E
It
does
not
give
them
a
real
ID,
but
it
does
give
them
a
State,
Certified
ID,
so
that
they
can
get
their
first
job,
so
they
can
apply
for
colleges
and
things
of
that
nature.
The
second
thing
it
does
is:
it
allows
Kentucky
drivers
that
are
homeless
to
associate
with
a
an
accepted
group,
a
non-profit,
a
church,
a
homeless,
shelter
or
something
that
that
can
be
their
permanent
ID
so
that
they
can
retain
their
driver's
license
so
that
they
can
drive
and
hopefully
keep
their
job
and
and
transition
them
very
temporarily.
H
You
Mr
chairman
and
and
what
we
did
with
the
committee
sub.
We
had
another
very
good
bill
in
the
Senate
that
needed
a
home
and
I
appreciate
you
allowing
us
to
tag
along,
but
I'll.
Let
Senator,
Yates,
explain
the
the
committee
sub
and
the
the
very
good
bill
that
we
added
to
it.
Thank.
L
You
Mr
Mr
chair
for
thank
you
Senator
well,
first
of
all,
both
great
bills.
Together,
we
wrote
an
op-ed
piece,
essentially
endorsing
this
very
same
piece
of
legislation.
My
brother
used
to
be
the
director
of
Salvation
Army
Center
of
Hope
I'll
watch
this
problem
with
the
inability
to
have
an
ID
just
such
a
barrier
to
housing
to
so
many
different
aspects.
So
this
is
so
long
overdue.
Important.
L
In
here,
the
simple
language
that
was
just
is
the
cabinet
shall
make
all
of
the
special
military
license
plates
in
the
section
available
for
motorcycles,
owned
or
leased
eligible
individuals.
So
what
we
did
is,
although
under
the
license,
it's
also
for
our
disabled
military
veterans
that
license
plate
so
I
think
that
all
positive
and
I
appreciate
you
letting
us
bring
this
home
together.
H
You
Central,
Yates
and
I
want
to
commend
you
all
for
working
with
me
over
the
interim.
You
know
this
field
came
last
year
and
I
think
there
was
some.
We
just
didn't
fully
understand
it.
The
system
works,
but
it
took
an
extra
year
to
get
it
and
I
appreciate
your
patience
with
me
to
for
us
to
get
to
this
point.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
we
have
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second,
so
I
have
a
motion.
A
second
on
the
bill
is
amended
by
The
Substitute
Madam
Secretary.
Please
call
the
roll.
M
A
J
I
A
Now
we'll
go
to
house
joint
resolution,
seven,
a
joint
resolution
designating
honorary
names
for
various
roads
and
bridges
sponsored
by
representative
Pollock.
If
you
could
just
introduce
yourself
to
the
record
and
you
may
proceed.
N
Thank
you
all
Mr,
chair
committee,
for
this
opportunity
and
honor
to
carry
house
joint
resolution.
Seven,
it
directs
the
transportation
cabinet
to
designate
the
completed
portion
of
the
Campbellsville
bypass
as
the
representative
John
bam,
Carney,
Highway,
and
so
what
we
all
know,
John
bam,
Carney
and
when
he
came
here
in
2009,
serving
with
a
great
big
heart
that
he
had
in
whatever
he
did.
Whether
it
was
coaching
teaching
and
obviously
representing
district
51.
A
H
What
make
a
comment
representative
Pollock!
Thank
you
for
bringing
this,
and
you
know
this
is
something
that
we
do
that's
very
important
in
in
the
general
assembly
naming
roads
for
Our
Heroes
and
those
who
have
made
a
significant
contribution
to
not
only
the
state
but
our
our
local
communities
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
who
who
submitted
a
a
person
to
have
a
road
named
that
they
the
little
rules
that
we
have
in
place
to
make
sure
that
that
it's
done
right
and
and
I
appreciate
everybody
cooperating
on
that
it.
H
It
went
fairly,
smooth
John,
and
we
had
to
ask
for
a
few
for
to
come
up
with
the
with
the
documentation
that
we
requested.
But
thank
you
for
bringing
it
forth,
and
you
know
there's
some
inner.
You
know
some
some
very,
very
dear
friends
at
you
know
with
the
BAM,
Carney
and
I
know
in
the
Senate
we're
going
to
have
several
that
that
we
that
we,
that
we
honor
this
time.
H
So
thank
you
again
and
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
bam.
Carney
was
a
good
friend
and
he
was
chairman
of
the
education
Committee
in
the
house.
At
the
same
time,
I
was
chair
of
Education
in
the
Senate.
We
worked
together
on
a
lot
of
issues
and
we
would
also
go
to
sreb
together
and
I,
remember
being
on
a
panel
with
him,
but
he's
just.
It
was
a
day
that
when
we
lost,
we
lost
a
great
legislator,
and
so
this
is
very
appropriate.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it.
Thank
you.
K
Yeah,
just
a
quick
comment
on
on
bam.
It's
I
think
I
was
one
of
the
last
Representatives
or
legislators
actually
be
with
him
before
he
had
gone
into
the
hospital,
but
we
were
at
a
a
concert
together
and
and
in
the
middle
of
the
concert
we
had
a
group
from
Louisville
that
was
talking
about
a
project
that
was
very
desperate
to
them
and
typical
bam.
We
wound
up
missing
most
of
the
concert
and
going
off
to
the
side
and
working
on
helping
with
the
project
with
this
and
I
I.
K
Just
think
that's
typical,
and
we
we
were
there
just
casually
with
our
families
and
were
made
aware
of
an
issue,
and
then
the
next
thing
you
know
we're
off
to
the
side
and
I
can
just
still
see
him
taking
notes
on
this
paper.
But
true,
Statesman
I've
said
this
before
I
mean
my
father
always
said,
and
it's
true
a
state's
been
something
you
cannot
call
yourself
that
only
matters
if
other
people
call
you
that,
because.
K
H
Yes,
just
a
little
further
explanation
of
this
representative
Carney
every
year
we
rotate
between
the
house
and
the
Senate
on
who
starts
the
road
naming
Bill
and
each
year
that
we
do
it
there'll
be
one
one
individual
that
selected
that
that
the
road
naming
bill
is
in
their
name
and
of
course
the
representative
Carney
is,
is
the
one
that
we've
selected
this
time,
there's
actually
41
41
individuals
that
will
be
honored
with
a
road
naming
this
year
and
in
the
Senate
we
have.
H
You
know
Center
CB
Emery
will
be
mentioned
in
in
the
sen
on
the
Senate
by
Senate
resolution.
So
again
it's
a
it.
We're
we're
not
just
one
name
which
that
that's
that's
the
one
representative
Carney
will
be
the
one
whose
name
is
is
is
on
it.
So
thank
you
all
thank
the
members
of
the
committee
and
thank
you
again,
representative
Pollock
I.
J
A
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
House
bill
is
320
Isabel.
It
passed
through
the
house
97
to
zero
and
it's
a
it's
a
simple
bill,
but
an
important
bill
has
to
do
with
the
CDL
skill
drivers
and
the
testing,
and
it
basically
adds
language
that
would
allow
the
state
to
test
out
of
state
applicants
who
possess
all
the
valid
operator's
license
commercial
drivers.
Instructions
permit
and
has
complied
with
all
necessary
requirements
to
be
able
to
take
the
skills
test
here
in
Kentucky,
and
the
cost
would
be.
J
A
A
A
H
If
you
will
Mr,
chairman
I'll,
explain
the
sub
and
how
they
get
into
the
basically
what
the
sub
does
it.
It
just
says
on
the
autonomous
vehicles
that
are
allowed
on
the
road,
but
we
you'd
have
to
have
a
a
licensed
driver
behind
the
wheel
in
case
they
had
to
take
control
of
the
vehicle.
That's
basically
what
the
committee
Subs
is.
Q
P
P
They
as
we
speak,
they
are
deployed
in
Texas,
California
Arizona,
Florida
Tennessee
has
passed
this
West
Virginia
has
so
we've
got
some
surrounding
neighbors,
and
so
what
these
autonomous
vehicles
do
is
they?
They
are
very
safe.
They
are
tested
beyond
belief,
millions
of
miles
on
on
the
odometer.
P
They
are
programmed
to
run
whether
it's
routes
or
you
can
hail
them
like
an
Uber.
They
are
really.
This
is
I
mean
as
much
as
it's
a
a
transportation
bill.
This
is
an
economic
development
bill,
because
the
the
potential
for
this
in
Kentucky
is
is
outstanding.
What
the
bill
does
is.
It
requires
the
vehicles,
one
follow
all
safety
regulations,
all
traffic
regulations,
two
it
requires
them
to
be
operated
in
the
state
to
where.
P
If
something
goes
wrong,
let's
say
a
sensor
fails
so
they're
rear-ended
it
there's
a
massive
snowstorm
tornado
comes
through
whatever
it
is,
they
have
to
be
able
to
pull
over
and
maintain
a
minimal
risk
condition.
P
Three
law
enforcement
has
has
the
opportunity
to
review
a
law
enforcement
plan
so
that
they
know
how
to
interact
with
these
vehicles
so
that,
let's
say,
there's
a
complaint
or
an
accident
so
that
they
know
what's
going
on,
we
have
in
on
the
house
side
we've
made
changes
at
the
request
of
the
trial,
attorneys
Association,
you
know
they
had.
They
had
had
some
questions
and
concerns.
We
we
had
taken
care
of
those.
P
So
what
this
does
is
it
allows
the
regulatory
framework
to
be
developed
and
designed
by
the
Department
of
Transportation
and
I.
Believe
that's
the
the
gist
of
the
bill.
There.
Thank.
Q
You
representative,
and
far
be
it
from
me
to
add
to
to
that
those
prepared
remarks,
but
do
want
to
publicly
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
issue.
Q
Senator
hignify,
if
I
may,
just
acknowledging
the
committee
sub
I've,
been
asked
by
the
autonomous
vehicle
industry
Association
to
read
a
brief
statement
specific
to
the
requirement
that
a
driver
remain
in
the
car.
So
if
you'll
indulge
me
working
from
my
phone
at
this
point,
this
is
from
Jeff
Farah
he's
the
executive
director
of
the
autonomous
vehicle
industry.
Association
autonomous
vehicles
have
the
great
potential
to
enhance
the
safety
of
Kentucky's
roads
while
supporting
existing
jobs
and
creating
new
ones.
Q
More
than
half
the
states
in
the
country
authorize
autonomous
vehicle
operation
without
a
driver,
and
we
are
seeing
this
technology
get
deployed
today
to
improve
road
safety
and
to
solve
our
most
pressing
economic
challenges.
It
is
therefore
very
disappointing
to
see
a
provision
get
added
to
the
bill
at
this
time.
That
would
work
to
extinguish
those
potential
benefits
and
make
Kentucky
an
extreme
outlier
among
the
other
states.
We
strongly
oppose
this
change
to
the
bill
and
will
continue
to
work
with
all
stakeholders
to
achieve
a
framework
in
Kentucky
that
provides
for
fully
autonomous
vehicle
operation.
H
H
H
Anyway,
it's
all
good,
thank
you
all
for
being
here,
and
you
know
this
is
this.
Is
you
know
big
deal
the
this
is
probably
as
I
I
guess,
a
drastic
of
a
change
as
we
head
back
when
the
Model
T
replaced
the
horse
and
buggy
and
I.
Remember
I.
Remember
a
story.
Somebody
told
me
one
time
about
no
blacksmith
and
his
son
working
and
pounding
out
a
horseshoe
and
their
best
customer
went
by
in
a
Model,
T
and
honked
his
horn
and
and
waved,
and
the
old
man
looked
at
his
son.
H
He
said
son
these
times
sure
are
a
changing
and
so
we're
back
there
again
I
guess
we
never
left
that,
but
and
there's
a
lot
of
issues
to
work
out
on
this.
A
lot
of
you
know
acceptance
and
and
concerns,
and-
and
but
you
know
that's
and
and
that's
why
the
the
committee
sub
of
some
concerns
that
I've
expressed
to
you
going
forward.
But
you
know
this
is
a
process.
H
This
is
only
one
stop
along
the
way
and
and
so
appreciate
you
all
being
here
and
and
we
I'll
that's
I
didn't
have
a
question.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
make
that
comment,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
I
know
you
worked
very
hard
on
this
and.
M
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
there's
liability
coverage.
M
P
So
the
autonomous
vehicles
can't
be
impaired,
so
I
don't
so
so
they
follow
all
existing
traffic
and
safety
guidelines
in
Kentucky,
I,
don't
know:
I
I
honestly
can't
answer
you,
whether
it
it
would
fall
under
the
impaired
driver
because
they're,
not
an
impaired
driver.
P
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying
we
do
require,
so
so
one
of
the
things
we
did
require
was
we
increased
the
the
minimum
liability
policy
to
a
million
dollars
for
for
all
these
vehicles
and
a
million
dollars
for
property
damage
minimum
minimum
for
each
vehicle
that
we
we
increase.
Those
policies
does.
M
Q
The
intention
is
for
that
million
dollars
to
to
cover
that
accident.
In
that
event,
that
it
happened
to
be
clear,
the
the
construct
of
the
bill
is
to
identify
all
applicable
motor
vehicle
statutes
and
if
the
autonomous
vehicle
meets
a
very
rigorous
and
internationally
recognized
engineering
standard,
it
is
granted
all
the
Privileges
afforded
to
a
human
driver,
but
also
the
responsibilities
required
of
a
human
driver
and
certainly
throughout
the
committee
process.
We
had
a
lengthy
discussion
in
in
the
house
Transportation
committee
about
these
very
phenomenon.
Q
It
was
clear
from
that
discussion
that
we
needed
to
in
advance
of
that
committee
rather
better
Define
who
the
operator
of
these
vehicles
were,
and
that
was
a
very
clear
and
constructive
conversation
with
the
Kentucky
Justice
Association
that
we
resolved
in
the
house
sub
and
then
went
further
in
a
house
floor
amendment
to
try
to
address
that
that
very
phenomenon,
but
the
to
be
clear.
This
construct
does
not
disturb
at
all
in
any
way
the
existing
liability
construct
that
we
have
in
the
Commonwealth.
L
You
Mr
chair.
First
of
all,
let
me
tell
you
thank
you
for
taking
the
time.
I
know.
This
is
one
that
it's
been
a
long
time
just
educating
going
through
round
and
round.
You
know:
I
I
believe
that
this
will
is
the
future
that
we're
moving
forward.
L
We
know
that,
and
we
know
that
other
states
are
moving
forward
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
Kentucky
continues
to,
if
not
lead,
not
fall
behind,
like
we
do
in
so
many
things,
but
my
first
number
one
obligation
will
always
be
Public
Safety,
and
so
that's
our
concern
and
looking
into
it
and
so
I
know
that
Dylan
with
working
with
the
kga
and
making
sure
that
there's
some
million
dollar
limits,
I
wish
that
we
had
other
limits
that
were
much
higher
in
other
areas.
I
think
people
our
families
gets.
L
This
would
be
a
lot
safer,
I'm
concerned,
and
part
of
me
is
I,
wanted
to
make
sure,
because
we
know
we're
not
ready.
We
know
that
the
technology
has
so
many
tweaks
to
work
out
of,
and
things
work
out,
whether
it's
from
a
legal
standpoint
but
but
also
you
know,
we
know
that
it's
still
it's
coming
so
I
I
think
that
the
sub
makes
me
feel
a
lot
better,
that
we
have
an
operator
behind
the
wheel,
and
that
was
really
important
to
me.
L
I'm
reading,
through,
though
and
I
think
to
my
colleagues.
A
question
is,
you
know,
I
think
she
was
talking
about
if
that
operator,
behind
the
wheel.
What,
if
that
operator
behind
the
wheel,
is
intoxicated
because
the
idea
is
that
in
the
event
something
goes
wrong,
the
human
takes
over
right.
The
other
question
is:
how
long
does
it
take?
It
say
that
every
technology
is
different.
L
How
long
does
it
take
them
to
be
able
to
take
over
the
will
like
if
the
Tesla,
for
instance,
you
got
to
touch
it
so
often
right
and
then
you
got
to
secure
so
I
I
still
have
maybe
it's
the
lawyer
in
me.
That's
looking
through
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
I
know
we're
a
little
bit
of
ways
away.
L
P
So
I
apologize,
I,
didn't
understand
your
question.
Apparently
so,
if
the
driver
behind
the
wheel
who
is
required
to
take
over,
if
they
are
intoxicated,
then
yes,
they
would
fall
under
the
framework
of
the
law
because
all
applicable
Traffic
Safety.
All
of
that
still
applies.
This
doesn't
change
any
of
that
construct.
P
As
far
as
you
know,
you
had
mentioned
kind
of
the
the
Tesla
and
I
I
want
to
say
these
aren't
Teslas
Teslas
do
not
meet
these
standards.
They
they.
P
These
vehicles
go
so
far
above
and
beyond
so
they're
regulated
by
the
NTSB,
the
national
Transportation
safety
board,
and
they
have
minimum
requirements
on
what
these
can
and
can't
do.
They
have
to
be
I,
believe
it's
is
it
four
and
five
or
five
and
six
level
level.
P
Or
International
standards,
right
and
and
Tesla's
do
not
that
that
is
not
this,
and
as
far
as
the
safety
yet
you're
absolutely
right.
If
there's
a
driver
behind
the
wheel,
then
they
would
be
required
to
take
over
under
the
committee
sub
immediately
they
are
responsible
for
the
vehicle
you
know
Kentucky
already
has
existing.
P
We
have
pilot.
Is
it
pilot
program
where
you'll
have
a
semi
driver
driving
the
first
vehicle,
the
vehicle
behind
it
will
be
autonomous,
there's
a
driver
in
the
vehicle
or
someone
in
the
vehicle
oftentimes,
not
driving
they're
just
in
the
vehicle
and
then
the
vehicle
behind
that?
Well,
it
has
the
same
so
so.
Currently
we
allow
two
I'll
talk.
P
G
And
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsors.
I
mean
you
all
have
really
come
to
the
table
to
work
with
people
on
that
and
I.
Do
appreciate
that
fact,
but
I
would
join
my
my
colleague,
Senator
Yates
I
mean
this
is
an
incentive.
This
is
a
big
big,
big
change
and
I
guess
I'm
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable,
given
that
I
think
there's
still
some
issues
to
work
out
that
trying
to
cram
this
into
a
short
session
when
maybe
a
longer
session
might
be
more
conducive
to
to
a
broader
program.
G
But,
going
to
my
colleague,
Senator
Burke's
comment,
I
mean
I
understand.
Maybe
a
an
autonomous
vehicle
can't
be
impaired
in
the
traditional
sense,
but
you
know
what
if
it
gets
a
virus
that
causes
it
to
act
out
erratically
on
the
roadway
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
maybe
a
computer
viruses
to
an
autonomous
vehicle.
What
alcohol
is
to
a
human
being,
or
maybe
even
a
prescription
medication
that
a
person
takes.
G
It
does
not
think
it's
going
to
make
him
intoxicated,
but
does
they're
still,
you
know
liable
for
following
the
rules
of
the
road.
How
would
such
a
vehicle
I
mean?
You
know
if
you're
impaired
and
driving
you're
strictly
liable
for
any
damage
that
you
may
cause.
Is
that
the
case
with
autonomous
vehicles.
P
G
Strictly
liable,
so,
if
is
what
you're
saying.
Q
There
is
no
change
in
the
existing
statutory
structure
that
that
puts
its
thumb
on
the
scale
of
any
liability.
I
know,
that's
not
what
you're
saying
it
would
still
require
an
examination
of
the
facts
to
properly
determine
fault,
but
to
to
try
to
answer
a
specific
question
about
what,
if
a
virus,
it's
actually
a
great
question,
and
so
much
of
of
these
questions
are
inherent
in
these
definitions,
which
are
critical
in
these
bill
in
this
bill.
Q
Part
of
the
reason
why
a
construct
like
this
is
important,
despite
how
big
it
is,
and
despite
how
short
the
session
is,
Kentucky
statutes
are
completely
silent
on
AVS
today,
and
so
we
are
attempting
to
create
a
framework
with
these
minimum
standards.
This
is,
you
know,
they're,
not
ownerless
right.
This
requires
having
Insurance.
It
requires
proper
title.
It
requires
proper
registration.
It
requires
the
ability
for
that
vehicle
to
extract
itself
from
a
sub-optimal
situation
so
to
best
answer
your
question.
Q
R
Very
much
chairman
I
appreciate
what
you
all
are
doing.
Also
but
I'm
I
guess
one
of
the
old
schoolers
when
we
say
all
other
states
do
it,
because
all
other
states
smoke
marijuana
don't
mean
Kentucky
has
to,
and
we.
R
We
don't
have
to
fall
in
line
with
that,
so
I
get
bothered
with
that,
and
then
the
gentleman
that
you
just
read
his
statement
by
it's
like
him
telling
us
what
we
have
to
do
and
I
get
offended
by
that.
Because
this
is
a
study
project,
we
were
told
by
Telsa
that
theirs
were
going
to
be
okay
and
all
the
other
election.
We
see
Rex.
R
R
Just
like
you
all
are
telling
us
today
and
I'm
afraid
that
we're
just
a
little
bit
jumpy
a
little
bit
hurriedly
trying
to
get
something
done
and
I
as
a
CDL
operator,
hauling
equipment-
sometimes
it's
got
40
tons
behind
me
knows
that
if
something
happened
to
that
truck
just
autonomously,
it
can't
cover
every
scenario
that
the
eye
is
looking
could
to
go
one
way
to
keep
from
killing
somebody,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
it's
always
going
to
be
controlling
it's
that
other
vehicle
that
hits
it
and
causes
that
wreck
see.
That's
what's
got
me.
R
Bothered
and
I've
I
believe
that
this
needs
more
study
in
the
interim
to
make
sure
we
work
all
these
things
out
and
also
I
believe
CDL
vehicle
needs
requires
a
million
dollars
worth
of
liability.
That's
what
I've
got
on
all
of
mine
and,
as
a
good
Senator
said,
a
million
dollars
if
somebody's
got
a
catastrophic
injury
and
you've
got
a
big
truck
involved.
It's
going
to
do
numerous
injuries
to
numerous
people
and
the
biggest
problem
I
have
with
it.
Is
that
not
having
a
man
or
a
woman
under
control
of
it?
R
You
got
Split
Second
decisions
to
make
that
that
electronic
thing
can't
if
it's
go
right
or
left,
because
it
can't
see
what's
on
its
right
or
what
on
its
left,
to
make
that
good
judgment
call
and
when
it's
an
18-wheeler
loaded
time
is
of
the
essence.
So
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
R
But
I
think
this
needs
to
be
put
in
a
study
during
the
interim
and
let
all
of
us
get
all
of
us
get
a
good
real
insight
and
work
out
all
the
bugs
to
make
sure
that
we're
satisfied
that
it's
pure
safe,
because
it's
our
responsibilities,
legislators
turning
these
things
loose
on
the
public.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
K
Yes,
just
a
quick
comment:
this
is
coming.
We
already
participated
in
it.
Probably
more
than
a
lot
of
people.
Know
I
mean
if
you
get
in
an
airplane
that
Pilot's
probably
not
flying
that
airplane,
and
so
you,
you
probably
touch
it
down,
probably
take
off,
but
once
you
get
up
there,
they'll
put
it
in
autopilot
and
so
we're
seeing
it
and
and
I
love
the
idea
that
Kentucky
is
going
to
be
playing
a
role
in
emerging
technology.
K
I,
like
many
of
my
colleagues
up
here,
have
concerns
as
well
and
and
one
of
my
concerns
is
displaced,
labor
costs
and
the
last
thing
we
need
is
to
lose
more
jobs
in
our
area.
So
that's
that's
always
going
to
be
a
concern
for
me,
but
on
the
other
side
of
the
technology,
the
the
type
of
the
amount
of
employees
it
goes
into,
putting
a
platoon
together
from
the
capacitors
and
ships
and
the
dashboards
and
all
the
stuff
that
go
into
the
computer
aspect
and
Technology
will
create
a
lot
of
jobs
on
its
own.
M
K
But
but
it
is
coming
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
all
put
into
it,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
advantages
for
work
and
efficiencies
and
and
savings,
and
we
all
know
that
most
the
products
that
we
get
probably
most
the
products
in
this
room
probably
got
to
wherever
you
purchase
them
from
via
some
sort
of
a
transport
vehicle,
and
so
Kentucky
wants
to
be
in
the
lead.
K
We
want
to
be
the
Forefront
and
not
follow
the
pass,
but
I
think
there's
still
some
work
that
we
may
need
to
do
on
this
one
to
be
able
to
tie
it
to
the
aspect
of
some
jobs.
To
pick
up
the
tech
side
of
what
well
tuning
will
actually
create,
because
there
will
be
a
lot
of
extra
stuff
with
that,
but
going
in
there.
Removing
the
drivers
for
us
creates,
creates
some
difficulty.
A
S
U
Steve
roof
car
Hall
truck
driver
89,
also
Teamsters,
okay,
you
know
thank.
S
S
The
subject
of
autonomous
Driving
Systems
was
frankly
not
much
on
our
radar
sure
we
heard
about
it,
but
we
knew
that
certain
automated
driving
features
had
already
been
in
effect,
but
the
subject
of
fully
autonomous
Driving
Systems
was
something
that
seemed
far
off,
but
with
House
Bill
135.
We
had
to
learn
more
about
it.
One
of
the
things
I
did
was,
of
course,
go
on
the
internet
and
look
at
some
materials
and
found
a
study
that
was
just
put
out
by
the
U.S
Department
of
Transportation
in
January
2021..
S
S
Other
groups
have
not
been
in
accord
with
this
move
to
autonomous
vehicles.
The
owner
operated,
Independent
Drivers
Association
wrote
to
the
U.S
Department
of
Transportation,
while
some
entities
are
eager
to
push
forward
and
rapidly
remove
any
regulatory
roadblocks
to
highly
automated
commercial
vehicles.
The
Owner
Operator
Independent
Drivers
Association
believes
that
this
would
be
an
ill-fated
and
imprudent
approach,
with
possibly
devastating
consequences
upon
owner
operators,
professional
drivers
and
the
motoring
public.
S
S
So,
yes,
there
will
also
be
others
who
suffer
in
a
society
where
drivers
are
no
longer
needed.
Delivery
drivers
for
higher
Transportation
providers
and
taxi
drivers,
Transit
operators
and
large
equipment
operations
could
also
be
vulnerable
in
some
communities.
Across
America
driving
professions
are
a
stronghold
of
the
local
economy
and
eliminating
those
jobs
would
be
equivalent
to
a
Town's,
Factory
closing
or
the
main
industry
collapsing,
that
is,
from
the
national
league
of
cities.
S
In
reviewing
the
national
ncsl
National
accomplishment
state
legislators
database.
We
find
that
there
are
17
States
right
now
considering
this
legislation
and
when
you
look
and
review
those
bills,
they're
all
different.
There's
variations
on
this
theme
going
across
the
country.
So
that's
one
thing
to
take
into
consideration.
What
is
exactly
going
on
around?
S
Five,
there
has
been
no
discussion
about
the
impacts
of
phasing
out
thousands
upon
thousands
of
good
paying
jobs,
no
discussion
about
what
will
happen
to
the
thousands
of
drivers
who
lose
their
jobs
due
to
this
technology,
whether
that
be
one
two
five
six
ten
years
from
now,
what
happens
to
their
health
care,
their
pensions
and
the
tax
base
of
these
workers?
Are
these
considerations
not
worthy
of
discussion
or
consideration,
or
are
we
to
take
the
word
of
the
those
in
Industry
exclusively
about
the
impacts
of
implementing
this
technology?
S
Should
we
be
initiating
a
study
doing
our
due
diligence
and
bringing
stakeholders
really
together
to
learn
more
and
fashion
a
rational
proposal
to
protect
the
interests
of
our
hard-working
men
and
women
in
the
transportation
sector?
There's
no
fiscal
impact
related
to
this
legislation.
There's
a
minimal
fiscal
impact,
but
lrc
should
have
a
complete
fiscal
impact.
While
the
committee
sub
is
an
improvement,
it
does
not
mitigate
our
overall
underlying
objections
to
House
Bill
135,
and
we
ask
that
you
vote
no.
T
Yes,
sir
I've
started
striking
paragraphs
already
you've
already.
The
committee's
already
endorsed
has
already
asked
me
good
questions
that
you've
eliminated
a
lot
of
My
Talking
Points.
So
again
my
name
is
Bill
Miller
I'm,
the
political
director
of
Teamsters
Local
89
in
Louisville
Kentucky.
The
teams
just
represent
roughly
25
000
working
people
across
Kentucky.
Most
of
those
a
lot
of
those
are
Transportation
industry
jobs.
Our
members
are
Republicans,
Democrats,
Independents
and
others.
T
We're
asking
you
to
vote
no
on
houseboat
135..
The
committee
sub
does
a
great
job
and
and
makes
a
nice
step
forward,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
issues
that
need
to
be
discussed
and
looked
at
Senator
Turner
brought
at
the
point
of
making
it
moving
to
a
study.
During
the
interim,
we
think
that's
a
great
idea.
The
teamsters
would
be
happy
to
host
any
legislator
who
wants
to
come
and
ride
in
one
of
our
big
trucks
or
take
a
look
at
it
see
what
a
pre-trent
post
trip.
T
Mid-Trip
inspection
looks
like
we're
planning
to
set
up
an
event
for
hopefully
sometime
in
June
when
folks
to
come
to
Louisville
and
see
what
is
really
entailed
in
driving.
These
vehicles
there's
a
number
of
issues.
I
was
going
to
raise
up.
You
know
the
liability
has
been
discussed
at
some
length
in
Connecticut
Tennessee
Washington.
They
all
have
liabilities
of
five
million
dollars
for
liability
insurance.
That's
according
to
the
Insurance
Institute
for
Highway
Safety.
T
There
should
be
public
facing,
and
public
reporting
websites
for
any
incidents
or
accidents
that
occur
with
these
vehicles.
The
public
should
know
they're
out
there.
They
should
know
that
what
they're
driving
with
and
what
they're
driving
next
to
some
recent
polling
done
in
Indiana
and
Tennessee
shows
that
voters
are
very
scared
of
these
vehicles
and
not
in
support
of
them.
The
tune
of.
A
B
M
Very
quickly,
I'm
going
to
explain
my
no
vote.
Please
I
I
feel
really
conflicted
because
we
have
to
move
forward.
We
have
to
accept
new
technology.
The
world
is
going
to
change
around
us
and
if
we
don't
change
with
it,
we're
going
to
be
left
behind.
On
the
other
hand,
I
mean
a
million
dollar
liability.
To
me
is
is
grossly
sub-optimal
and
I
have
concerns.
I
think
my
constituents
have
concerns.
I
think
we
need
to
understand
this
better
before
I
can
cast
a
guest
vote.
So
thank
you.
J
Cast
my
eye
vote
and
explain
real
quick,
I'm,
comfortable
moving
forward.
I
know
understand
what
you
guys
are
talking
about.
I
do
think
there's
you
know
we
do
have
a
labor
shortage,
so
this
is
going
to
help
address
some
of
the
labor
shortage
that
you
were
addressing,
but
I'm
I'm
comfortable
in
wanting
Kentucky
to
be
on
The
Cutting
Edge
of
new
technology,
so
I
thought
I.
I
L
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you
guys
for
your
testimony.
Each
of
you
and
I
appreciate
you
working
with
us
on
it.
I
think
that
we
continue
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
technology
and
advances.
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
study
over
the
summer
working
with
it.
The
I
think
the
biggest
thing
we're
missing
is
working
with
the
national
legislative
conference.
All
the
legislators
other
places
we
we
meet,
we
go
to
it
and
we
break
away.
There
should
be
best
practices
throughout
the
United
States.
L
A
I
H
Chairman,
thank
you
and-
and
this
potentially
is
our
last
meeting
this
this
this
session
I
want
to
thank
our
staff,
Dana,
Christina,
Ashley
and
and
the
boss
John.
Thank
you
all
for
your
your
dedication
and
and
your
support
of
this
committee
this
this
session.
We,
we
certainly
appreciate
you
more
just
publicly.
Thank
you
and
Round
of
Applause
foreign.