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C
A
Here
very
good
and
just
a
reminder:
if
we
can
all
vote
on
our
mic
turn
our
microphones
on
and
vote
it'll
help
us
with
our
record
keeping
and
also
those
that
are
on
ket
we're
going
to
start
with
the
first
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
house
bill.
618,
it's
a
bill
related
to
elections,
it's
representative
bratcher's
bill
and
we
will
allow
representative,
chairman
bradshaw,
to
come
to
the
to
the
table
and
if
you
can
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and.
E
Taylor
brown
state
board
of
elections,
general
counsel,.
A
Very
good
this
board
this
this
bill
does
have
a
committee
substitute
if
we
could
have
a
motion
on
committee
substitute
exactly.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
committee
substitute
motion
from
representative
thayer,
sec
or
or
second
from
senator
storm.
Sorry,
I'm
the
motion
with
senator
storm.
Second
by
senator
nemes,
all
in
favor
of
adopting
the
committee
sub,
say
aye
any
opposed.
Okay.
The
committee
sub
is
before
us
chairman
bratcher
thank.
D
D
They
also
let
precinct
workers
know
which
ballots
to
give
to
the
voter.
You
know
like
in
louisville.
You
have
guys
you
could
have
a
dozen
different
ballots
in
a
voting
center,
so
it
keeps
that
straight
now.
The
committee
sub-
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
that,
but
I
will
try
to
read
some
notes
on
that.
Okay,
it
allows
clerks
to
purchase
electronic
poll
books
that
are
certified
by
the
state
board
beginning
september
1st
of
this
year
and
chime
in
anytime.
D
You
want,
mr
lawyer,
although
the
clerk,
although
the
clerks,
would
have
the
standards
by
september
1st,
they
would
not
be
allowed
to
use
these
newly
certified
machines
until
2023
primary,
because
there's
a
statewide
vendor.
Now
that
has
the
contract
till
we.
E
Sure
I
can
explain
just
a
little
bit
more
of
the
changes
here
in
the
substitute
section
two.
We
added
a
change
of
the
date
to
when
the
counties
get
their
list
of
registered
voters,
so
that
will
now
occur
before
excused
absentee
voting
starts.
It
was
five
days.
That's
not
going
to
be
enough
time
with
the
expanded
absentee
voting
that
we
have.
E
We've
also
amended
section
two
to
alter
the
language
that
would
make
sure
that
the
state
board
gets
to
select
the
data
format
that
is
provided
to
the
vendors.
So
if
we
end
up
with
three
four
vendors
in
the
state
that
way,
state
board
can
push
one
set
of
data
to
the
vendors
instead
of
having
to
push
out
four
different
types
of
data.
E
As
representative
bratcher
said,
we
added
the
certification
date
of
september
1st,
the
effective
date
of
may
11
2023
for
their
use.
Those
requirements
that
are
now
in
the
substitute
are
going
to
be
promulgated
by
state
board
of
elections.
That's
in
there
and
then.
Finally,
we
amended
the
statute
that
allows
the
county
to
select
their
own
voting
system.
To
specifically
make
it
clear
that
that
also
includes
e-poll
books.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
First
thing
I
want
to
ask
about
is
on
page
nine:
it
says
that
the
e-poll
books,
certification
requirements
are
going
to
be
put
together
in
regulation
and
comparing
that
to
current
law,
where
we
set
the
certification
requirements
for
voting
systems
in
state
law.
C
Can
I
ask
one
follow-up,
mr
truman,
so
at
the
same
time
that
we're
talking
about,
we
need
to
get
to
paper
ballots,
because
it's
safer
for
backup
system
is
the
exact
same
time
frame
when
we've
been
talking
about
getting
e,
pull
books
online
and
I'm
glad
you're
here,
because
in
2018,
when
we
started
this,
we
had
the
paper
backups.
We
had
the
paperbacks
in
2019,
and
you
told
me
in
2020
we
have
gotten
rid
of
the
paper
backups.
Now
the
clerks
are
telling
me
that
as
well.
C
E
A
C
G
A
I
vote
I
house
bill
618,
as
amended
by
committee
sub
passes
with
favorable
expression,
ten
to
one
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
senate
floor.
Thank.
A
H
A
H
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
senator
julie,
rocky
adams
also
here.
If
any
questions
need
to
be
asked
that
she
could
answer
so
this
bill
does
effectively
eight
things.
Most
of
them
are
non-controversial
I'll,
knock
them
out
real
quickly
right
now,
there's
an
oversight
and
audit
committee
with
the
louisville
metro
council.
They
have
the
right.
This
is
on
page
five.
They
have
the
right
to
subpoena
officers,
employees,
it's
unclear
whether
they
have
the
right
to
subpoena
former
officers,
employees
and
so
we're
making
that
that
clear
that
they
do
so.
H
If
you
know
an
officer
leaves
the
employment
of
little
metro,
they
can
still
be
called
back
to
answer
questions
when
that's
necessary.
That's
not
a
controversial
measure.
The
the
second
thing
is
not
require
it's
on
page
13.
H
not
require
county
attorney
approval
to
file
an
ordinance
right
now
in
order
to
file
an
ordinance.
You
have
to
get
pre-approval
from
the
county
attorney.
That
would
be
akin
to
us
having
to
get
approval
from
the
attorney
general.
So
we're
removing
that
now
it's
going
to
be
advisory,
the
county
attorney
I've
spoken
with,
and
the
members
of
council.
That's
a
agree
with
that:
that's
not
a
controversial
provision
either.
The
third
provision
is
on
page
six.
H
It
goes
from
a
three-term
limit
to
a
two-term
limit
and
for
the
louisville
mayor,
the
fourth
thing
that
it
does
on
page
14
and
that
is
it
clarifies
that
the
mayor
will
make
appointments
to
which
the
legislature
must
approve.
If
it's
provided
by
statute
may
have
60
days
to
do
that,
and
then
it
clarifies
that
the
legislature,
the
council,
will
make
a
legislative
appointment.
So
that's
just
another
housekeeping
measure.
H
There's
a
five
person
could
be
five
to
ten,
but
it's
been
five
persons
in
the
past,
a
five
person
charging
committee
and,
if
you're,
if
you
serve
on
that
charging
committee,
you're
not
allowed
to
vote
on
in
the
committee
of
the
whole,
and
so
that
takes
away
five
votes
and
makes
it
virtually
impossible
to
remove
a
council
person
or
a
mayor
from
office
not
intended
when
the
when
this
was
drafted
again.
This
was
requested
for
by
the
council,
persons
and
and
I've
heard
no,
no,
no
pushback
on
that.
H
The
sixth
thing
it
does
is
in
louisville,
as
most
people
know,
there's
old
louisville,
which
is
urban
services
district
and
they
pay
a
different
tax
rate
than
people
outside
the
urban
services
district.
For
things
like
garbage
and
other
things
that
services
that
are
provided
inside
the
district
that
aren't
provided
outside
the
district,
the
fear
or
the
thought
is
that
some
of
the
the
money
in
the
general
fund
supplements
wrongly
supplements
services
that
are
only
provided
inside
the
urban
services
district.
So
we're
trying
to
get
an
annual
audit
there
to
see.
H
If
it's
true,
if
it's
not
true,
then
we
need
to
stop
that
that
we
admit
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
push
back
and
if
it
is
true,
it
needs
to
stop,
because
you
shouldn't
be
paying
taxes
for
services
that
that
you're
not
even
eligible
to
receive.
That's
the
sixth
thing,
two
things
that
it
does
that
this
is
the
portion
that
I
think
the
mayor
of
louisville's
here
to
talk
about
is
it
allows
annexations
in
the
corporation.
H
So
over
20
years
ago,
louisville
was
merged
vote
of
the
of
the
community
and
we
had
a
12
year
hiatus
on
annexations
and
what
this
does
is.
It
removes
the
hiatus
on
annexations,
with
66
percent
of
the
of
the
voters
of
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
annexed.
It's
important
to
note
that
that
does
not
apply
doesn't
go
into
effect
until
july
of
2024.
H
That
will
have
more
significance
in
just
a
second,
when
I
finish
my
remarks,
but
but
just
remember
that
there
can
be
no.
This
annexation
provision
does
not
apply
until
july
of
2024.
One
thing
that
my
friends
on
the
other
side
will
say:
is
there
been
annexation,
requests
that
have
been
approved,
that
is
true,
they've,
been
very
small
and
there's
a
chilling
effect,
because
they
know
that
any
significant
annexations
will
not
be
approved,
and
so
they've
not
they've
not
made
those
types
of
requests.
H
The
incorporation
provision.
What
happens
here
I
want
to
say
I
do
not
support,
nor
does
the
other
representatives.
Nor
does
senator
jill
iraqi
adams
support
a
proliferation
of
very
small
cities
in
jefferson
county.
We
have
81
tour
defunct,
so
we
have
79..
That
sounds
like
a
lot.
It
is
a
lot.
Some
of
them
are
very
small,
but
I
want
to
say
to
the
committee
that
it's
about
one
per
every
ten
thousand
louisville
residents
and
in
kentucky
the
cities
in
kentucky
are
about
one
for
every
ten
thousand
residents.
H
So
while
it
seems
like
we
have
a
a
lot
and
we
do
on
per
capita
basis,
we
have
about
the
same
as
we
have
throughout
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
But
what
this
bill
would
do
was,
it
would
say
you
have
to
have
over
6
000
people,
that's
not
true
in
the
rest
of
the
commonwealth.
I
think
it's
over
300
households,
you
have
to
have
over
6
000
people
and
66
of
those
people
have
to
agree
to
to
incorporate
now.
My
friends
on
the
other
side
are
going
to
say
that
that
hurts
louisville.
H
Not
they
do
not
have
a
city,
it
would
enable
them
to
keep
that
money
in
their
communities
and
that
benefits
the
entire
city
as
well,
and
how,
for
example,
if
you're
in
middletown
or
if
you're
in
j
town,
you
have
an
lmpd
officer
for
approximately
every
200
people,
if
you're
elsewhere
in
the
community,
you
have
it
for
every
800,
1800
people
and
in
one
area
it's
every
2200
people.
So
the
east
end
is
for
every
200
200
people,
the
west
end.
H
It's
200
people
this
bill
doesn't
change
that
this
bill
does
not
say
you
have
to
make
that
more
equitable.
That's
not
my
intent!
What
this
bill
does
senator
mcdaniel
is
it
says
that
the
people
of
fern
creek,
if
they
want
to
pay
more
and
66
of
them,
come
together.
They
can
then
incorporate
and
get
their
own
police
department
or
their
own,
whatever
services
that
all
that
that
our
great
cities
in
the
commonwealth
and
jefferson
county
provide
it
is
shouldn't,
be
lost
on
anyone.
H
H
H
So
there's
a
15-person
group
there,
it's
the
mayor,
the
city,
the
the
jefferson
county
league
of
cities,
chairperson,
three
gli
appointees,
three
appointees,
from
the
senate,
three
appointees
from
the
house,
three
appointees
from
local
council
and
the
the
fire
chief
appointed
from
the
fire
chiefs
to
look
at
these
issues
to
bring
a
holistic
package
to
the
general
assembly
in
2024.
H
A
A
G
Very
good,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
here
today.
I'm
greg
fischer,
the
mayor
of
louisville,
appreciate
you
allowing
me
to
speak
today
about
house
bill
314,
which
is
of
enormous
concern
and
consequences
for
the
city
of
louisville,
our
residences,
businesses
and
metro
council.
Now
for
those
who
weren't
here
when
louisville
residents
discussed,
debated
and
voted
for
merger
in
the
late
1990s
and
2000,
just
a
brief
review
review.
First,
there
was
significant
local
input
after
various
prior
attempts
over
the
years.
G
G
The
legislature
was
obviously
involved
as
well
voting
in
2000
to
allow
merger
referendum
to
be
put
on
the
jefferson
county
ballot
and,
of
course,
most
importantly,
there
was
the
vote
by
the
citizens
of
jefferson
county
that
november
to
allow
implementation
of
merger
to
begin
in
2003
and
on
a
note
directly
relevant
to
this
bill
residents
that
desired
more
services
can
use
the
service
district
provision
of
metro
government
merger
law
67c.
To
make
that
happen,
they
don't
need
to
form
a
new
city.
G
So,
let's
flash
forward
to
today,
merger
catapulted
louisville
onto
the
national
radar
screen
surpassing
charlotte
washington,
dc
portland,
cleveland,
denver,
raleigh
and
kansas
city
in
population,
and
it
transformed
the
view
of
my
city
as
a
smaller
town
into
a
modern,
growing
metropolitan
area
and
the
economic
engine
for
the
commonwealth
by
streamlining
government
services.
Merger
has
made
louisville
more
competitive
and
business
recruitment
a
place
that
is
easy
to
do.
G
Business
with
and
louisville
today
is
viewed
as
an
award-winning
business
friendly
site
by
site
selection,
consultants
and
c-suite
decision
makers
in
part,
because
we
have
a
one-stop
shop
for
services
and
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
intergovernmental
squabbling
among
multiple
different
governments.
Our
results
are
strong.
Since
2014,
our
city
has
experienced
more
than
21
billion
dollars
in
capital
investments
in
every
part
of
our
community,
from
colonial
gardens
in
south
louisville
to
downtown
nulu.
G
The
incredible
new
public
library
in
the
east
and
the
just
announced
plans
for
a
new
hospital
in
west
louisville,
we've
added
more
than
83
000
jobs
and
seen
a
faster
economic
recovery
from
coven
19
than
most
of
our
peer
cities.
In
the
balance
of
the
commonwealth
house,
bill
314
seriously
jeopardizes
that
success,
and
that's
why
I'm
here
today.
First
is
the
issue
of
general
government
services.
G
If
hb
314
passes
it
could
lead
to
a
proliferation
of
new
small
governments
which,
beyond
the
confusion
and
frustration
for
businesses
looking
to
locate
or
grow
in
louisville,
potentially
could
leave
a
50
million
dollar
hole
in
revenue
to
cover
all
the
services
that
every
resident
of
louisville
relies
on
911
services.
Public
safety,
infrastructure,
maintenance,
libraries,
codes
and
regulations,
correction
parks
and
more,
it
represents
almost
nine
percent
of
the
entire
city's
general
fund.
Next
is
the
issue
of
federal
funds.
G
G
G
How
about
the
developer
that
now
has
to
work
with
an
additional
layer
of
government?
All
this
should
be
thought
through.
Government
should
be
easier
to
do
business
with
not
more
complex.
So
how
do
we
move
forward?
I
applaud
representative
nemes
in
the
bill's
amendment
that
creates
the
concept
of
a
task
force
to
study
how
merger
can
be
improved.
Louisville
has
been
nationally
recognized
by
what
works
cities
as
one
of
the
only
two
governments
in
the
country
at
the
top
level
of
using
data
to
run
efficient
government.
So
we
are
all
about
improvement.
G
G
Louisville
residents,
along
with
the
new
mayor
and
metro
council
that
will
come
in
january,
23,
should
have
the
opportunity
to
study
the
full
impact
of
the
legislation
before
it
is
changed
not
after
studying
it
after
you
pass
a
law
to
change,
as
the
amendment
is
written
is
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
and
what
I
am
for
is
making
the
bill
the
best
it
can
be,
and
that
requires
broad
local
input.
So
passing
merger
in
louisville
was
a
monumental
achievement
in
the
envy
of
many
city
and
county
governments
across
the
country.
G
Merger
has
been
a
success
for
louisville,
attracting
businesses,
streamlining
services
and
saving
taxpayers
money.
So
let's
not
go
backwards.
Let's
make
louisville
even
stronger
the
right
way
with
a
bill
driven
by
broad
study
and
community
input
with
the
general
assembly
acting
at
the
right
time
to
codify
the
improvements.
Thank
you
for
your
time
very
good.
I
I
When
jefferson
county
voters
chose
a
consolidated
local
government
in
2000,
louisville,
metro's
population,
the
population
of
jefferson,
county,
less
suburban
cities
and
that's
the
commonly
used
measure
it
leaped.
We
currently
rank
as
the
29th
largest
city
in
the
united
states,
which,
as
the
mayor
said,
has
led
to
increased
federal
revenue,
among
other
benefits.
I
Creation
of
new
cities
and
expansion
of
existing
cities
without
any
control
by
metro
council
threatens
that
position.
I've
recently
heard
talk
last
week
from
a
member
of
the
jefferson
county
league
of
cities
of
a
brand
new
105
000
population
city
within
jefferson
county.
If
that
happened,
louisville
would
immediately
drop
to
the
38th
largest
city
in
the
count
in
the
country
and
our
position
as
a
city
of
more
than
500
000
people
would
immediately
be
threatened.
I
No
consolidated
or
merged
city
government
in
the
united
states
and
look
at
indianapolis
look
at
nashville.
Look
at
lexington,
no
consolidated
or
merged
government
in
the
united
states
is
shrinking
because
new
cities
are
being
formed
within
their
boundaries.
It
is
unheard
of
and
it
is
unnecessary
to
provide
new
services
to
unincorporated
areas.
I
I
It
it's
been
in
the
law
since
the
beginning.
It
was
widely
discussed
in
a
2015
metro
council
committee,
chaired
by
a
republican
and
vice
chaired
by
me.
The
process
starts
with
a
petition
to
metro
council
and
no
one.
No
one
has
ever
filed
such
a
petition
asking
for
the
creation
of
a
service
district
and
that's
despite
encouragement
from
council
members.
I
Service
districts
can
provide
the
services
that
people
want
without
taking
insurance,
premium
taxes
and
other
revenue
from
louisville
metro
revenue.
We
use
for
a
variety
of
county-wide
services
services,
like
corrections
and
the
health
department
and
our
local
free
public
library,
and
many
more.
We
should
listen
to
people
like
denise
bentley,
a
former
council
person
from
louisville
who
left
the
council
to
join
the
fletcher
administration,
who
recently
told
whas
that
creating
more
cities
would
further
disparities
that
west
louisville
and
poorer
communities
face
a
broad
majority
of
metro
council
from
all
over
the
county.
I
I
A
J
J
I
think
that
you
made,
but
one
that
I
wasn't
expecting
to
see
today
on
page
six
you
talked
about
just
the
change
of
three
to
two
consecutive
terms
is
that
is
that
something
that
this
body
is
typically
taking
up
with
other
cities
it
strikes
me
is
a
little
outside
of
our
purview.
I
guess
that
we
would
dictate
a
city's
term
limits.
H
Well,
it
has
to
the
general
assembly,
sets
the
term
limits,
there's
no
other
way
to
set
it,
and
so,
if
it
were
to
change,
it
would
have
to
be
the
general
assembly
to
do
that.
The
city,
council
or
the
city
mayor
is
not,
is
not
empowered
to
change
the
term
limits,
so
it
has
to
be
a
change
in
the
statute,
which
also
leads
me
to
another
quick
point
I
want
to
make,
and
that
is
what
what
this
bill
does
on
incorporation
and
my
friends
on
the
other
side.
Disagree
with
that
question.
H
I
get
it
what
this
bill
does.
Is
it
returns
the
question
to
louisville
right
now?
If
the
people
of
fern
creek
were
represented
branches,
they
want
to
have
their
own
police
protection
if
they
want
that
they're
not
allowed
to.
Why,
because
frankfurt
stops
it?
What
this
bill
does
is
it
says
the
people
of
fern
creek
can
make
that
decision,
so
it
returns
it
to
the
local
level.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
for
any
of
the
members
sitting
there
today
and
actually
you
know,
although
I
guess
someone
up
here
is
a
man
of
the
mountains.
I
was
actually
born
in
louisville,
my
dad
was
a
student
at
the
university
of
louisville
medical
school.
So
it's
a
city.
I
have
great
love
for
and
enjoy
visiting
one.
K
K
Know
you
made
the
comment
earlier
that
this
is
shooting
first
and
asking
questions
later
asking
questions
later.
I
think
the
problems
are
the
shootings.
I
mean
there
were
six
shootings
in
louisville
last
weekend
and
it
amazes
me
that
you
all
come
down
here
today
and
and
essentially
wonder
why
citizens
on
the
south
end
are
are
perhaps
worried
and
not
feeling
safe
within
the
confines
of
metro
louisville.
K
You
know
we've
seen
not
only
has
louisville
been
an
engine
for
growth,
which
I
will
agree.
It
has
been
to
an
extent,
but
it's
also
been
an
engine
for
crime
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
due,
in
my
opinion,
to
a
lot
of
poor
leadership
and
poor
decisions,
which
essentially,
let
criminals
run
wild
over
the
last
two
years
down
there,
and
you
know
this
bill
seems
like
it
has
a
lot
of
protections
in
the
sense
that
66
percent
of
the
people
within
a
voting
district
would
have
to
want
to
leave
the
metro
area.
K
Do
you
not
feel
that
if
two-thirds
of
the
people
within
an
area
are
feeling
unserved,
or
at
least
unlistened
to
by
the
city
of
louisville,
that
that
they
not,
they
should
be
able
to
forge
their
own
path
in
such
a
way
that
they
feel
that
their
folks
are
protected
and
are
not
just
being
exploited?.
G
Thank
you
senator.
What
we
do
believe
on
top
of
that
is
that
people
should
have
a
right
to
be
heard.
First,
a
large
corporation
like
a
forward
or
a
general
electric,
should
understand
the
impact
on
their
companies,
whether
it's
a
rise
in
taxes
or
other
issues
associated
with
that
before
the
bill
is
put
into
impact.
So
that's
why
the
study
is
so
important
to
do
that.
First,
senator.
H
K
H
Agree
with
with
my
friend
the
mayor
here
on
on
that
the
businesses
should
be
heard.
No
doubt
about
that
he's
reached
out
to
him.
I
reached
out
to
him.
They've
called
me
and
said
the
mayor's
called
me,
I'm
supposed
to
call
you
so
I'm
calling
some
of
them
have
done
that
gli
is
neutral
on
the
bill.
Gli
has
three
glides,
the
local
chambers.
You
know,
have
three
appointments
to
this
group,
so
I
agree
that
the
businesses
need
to
be
heard.
Incorporation
annexation
doesn't
go
into
effect
for
two
years.
H
The
question
about
the
police
protection:
why
should
fern,
creek
or
valley
station
have
to
beg
metro
council
to
do
something
that
they
should
already
be
doing?
They
are
not
policing
our
areas.
If
you
see
an
lmpd
officer
in
my
neck
of
the
woods,
you
have
seen
a
unicorn,
it's
one
per
every
over
2
000
people
other
areas,
it's
one
for
every
200.
we
have
this
bill,
doesn't
address
that
it
leaves
it
at
that.
It
says
let
us
pay
more
to
protect
ourselves.
H
L
G
I
G
In
our
city,
so
employers
need
to
be
involved
up
front
there's
there
could
be
ways
to
improve
this
bill,
and
I
applaud
miss
representative
nemes
for
wanting
to
improve,
merge
city
county
government,
we're
all
about
that
as
well.
We're
just
saying,
let's
study,
that
first
understand
the
implications.
It
could
be
negative
on
businesses
on
developers
and
make
sure
those
are
removed
before
any
improvements
are
made
to
this
bill.
L
Thank
you,
I
think
that's
an
important
point.
Mr
chairman,
I
have
a
question
for
representative
nemes.
You
were
talking
about
public
safety,
representative
nemes.
I
know
that
the
kentucky
state
police
is
several
hundred
troopers
short
right
now
haven't
been
funded
fully
in
the
budget
for
years.
So
would
you
have
a
problem
with
taking
this
statewide
so
that
any
community
in
the
state
could
form
a
city
anytime?
They
want
to
in
any
county
without
having
the
county.
Judge
of
the
fiscal
court
have
veto
power
so
that
they
they
too
can
feel
safe.
H
Yeah,
I
think
that
I
think
a
city
in
pulaski
county
just
to
choose
one
an
area
in
pulaski
county
can
incorporate
they're
allowed
to
do
that.
They're
allowed
to
annex
they
annex
quite
quite
frequently
in
louisville
they're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
So
this
returns
a
question
in
louisville
like
it's
already
in
pulaski
county.
So.
L
H
H
A
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
explain
my
no
vote.
Yes,
you
may.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
you
just
saw
a
debate
get
cut
off
on
this.
Unfortunately,
let's
talk
about
what's
going
on
here,
there
are
17
state
representatives
who
have
their
districts
wholly
within
jefferson,
county
14
of
them
voted
against
this
bill.
There
are
six
state
senators
who
have
their
districts
wholly
within
jefferson
county.
Five
of
them
are
going
to
vote
against
this
bill.
The
metro
council
does
not
support
this
bill.
The
mayor
of
louisville
does
not
support
this
bill.
L
We
have
frankfurt
now
coming
up
here
and
dictating
how
the
governing
structure
of
the
city
of
louisville
is
to
operate
without
even
studying
it
or
knowing
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be.
You've
heard
us
for
a
while.
Now
I
pushed
last
year,
let's
actually
have
a
task
force
that
studies
these
issues.
It's
been
20
years
since
the
implementation
of
merger.
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
a
conversation
of
what
is
working
and
what
isn't
working.
L
All
over
our
community
for
merger
and
come
up
with
real
recommendations,
hard
conversations
and
then,
if
we
have
to
change
it
in
statute,
because
this
is
a
creature
of
statute,
let's
do
it,
but
this
is
not
the
way
to
handle
this,
and
if
it
is,
I
think
we
should,
if
we
talked
about
just
now,
maybe
see
some
amendments
that
do
apply
this
to
the
rest
of
the
state
to
your
communities
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
M
I
was
going
to
ask
my
good
friend,
mayor
fisher
and
the
representative
nemes,
with
his
knowledge
of
the
south
and
the
east
end,
but
I'll
turn
this
into
a
statement.
M
The
it
was
stated
that
in
two
in
1998
2003
we
voted
for
a
merger.
I
was,
I
lived
in
jefferson
county
at
the
time
and
we
did
but,
as
we
all
know,
we
vote
for
things
and
we
come
back
and
we
change
and
adjust
our
legislation
as
needed.
Why
shouldn't
the
people
of
louisville
have
a
chance
to
change
their
opinion
of
what
they
voted
on
before?
Why
not
vote
again?
It
takes
66
percent
of
the
people
to
do
that,
to
annex
or
or
well
not
annex
but
incorporate
and
the
annexation.
M
They
already
have
that
right
in
the
east
end.
The
south
end
does
not
have
that
right.
They
can
only
incorporate.
Why?
Should
they
not
have
that
right?
66
percent
of
the
people
have
to
vote
on
that.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
and
if
they're
not
happy,
then
it
should
happen.
M
So
I
just
don't
understand
the
problem
with
that.
It's
a
it's
just
discriminating
against
the
rich
and
the
poor
if
they
don't
have
the
right,
the
same
rights
as
as
the
other
and
it's
it
is
the
south
end
working
people,
valley,
station,
fairdale,
okolona,
fern,
creek,
that
don't
have
that
right
and
I
do
think
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
probably
the
only
state
senator
that
has
lived
in
the
south
end.
M
J
C
A
C
Mr
chairman,
I
had
a
question
that
didn't
get
to
get
in
asked
or
answered,
and
I
feel
like
I'm
reading
page
10
of
the
bill
correctly
when
it
says
that
we
have
to
have
approval
of
the
legislative
council
in
order
to
do
any
of
these.
To
me,
it
looked
like
language
that
would
possibly
be
everybody's
getting
together
on
the
same
page
and
last
year
around
this
time.
C
I
said
why
don't
the
jefferson
count
caucus
jefferson,
county
dogs
get
together
and
figure
out
what
they
want
to
do,
and
let
us
know
and
guess
what
now
I'm
a
member
of
the
jefferson
county
caucus-
and
I
haven't
heard
a
thing
about
this.
Until
two
weeks
ago
I
went
to
a
town
hall
and
got
this
is
a
big
issue
and
I'm
ready
to
dive
in,
but
it
doesn't
work
to
shut
down
all
the
rest
of
the
questions
when
we
are
right
in
the
middle
of
what
turns
into
being
out
of
control
fireworks
show.
G
I
K
K
Many
of
our
great
cities
in
the
united
states,
which
were
previously
economic
drivers,
have
been
drivers
now
of
crime
and
death,
and
I
think
we've
seen
some
of
the
same
issues
in
louisville
and
it
breaks
my
heart
to
see
that
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
especially
when
areas
working-class
areas
of
the
city
feel
like
they
just
aren't
getting
the
services
that
they're
paying.
For
you
know-
and
you
know-
we've
seen
this-
not
only
in
louisville-
we've
seen
it
in
large
cities
all
across
the
united
states.
K
So
I
mean
to
me
it's
a
question
of
well.
Maybe
they've
said
we've
not
seen
this
in
other
cities.
Maybe
we
do
need
to
see
this
in
other
cities,
because
it's
apparent
to
me
that
many
of
these
large
cities,
based
on
representative
nemesis
testimony
here
before
this
committee,
clearly
aren't
serving
the
needs
of
their
citizens
and
if
two-thirds
of
the
citizens
in
a
particular
area
feel
that
way,
then
I
think
it's
our
obligation
as
the
general
assembly
to
give
them
options
to
protect
themselves.
A
Vote
I
house
bill
314,
as
amended
passes
eight
to
two
and
one
pass
and
shall
move
on
to
the
senate.
Thank
you.
So
much
next
on
the
agenda
is
house
bill.
239.
A
Represent
koenig,
if
you
can
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
got
about
five
to
seven
minutes,
and
we
also
have
some
folks
behind
you
that
wish
to
testify
from
the
constables
association.
N
N
We
have
shelly
hampton
with
kco
back
here
for
moral
support
and
answer
any
questions,
and
commissioner
jillick
from
doc
jt
available
to
answer
any
training
questions.
Commissioner
good
to
have
you.
Thank
you
house,
bill.
239
is
a
measure
that
will
make
our
communities
and
constituents
safer.
N
This
bill
ensures
that
people
who
use
peace,
officer
powers,
those
who
make
arrests
and
traffic
stops
and
respond
to
crime
scenes
are
trained
law
enforcement
personnel.
Some
people
may
not
realize
it,
but
constables
can
do
all
of
those
things.
Even
though
they've
never
received
one
hour
of
law
enforcement
training,
these
elected
office
holders
often
carry
a
gun
and
badge
and
exercise
the
same
power
as
a
state,
trooper
sheriff's,
deputy
or
city
police
officer.
N
The
key
distinction
is
that
we
require
police
officers,
state
troopers
and
deputies
in
this
state
to
go
through
exhaustive
training.
A
20-week
course
of
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training
covers
patrol
procedures,
defensive
tactics,
criminal
law,
tactical
response,
traffic
investigations
and
many
other
topics.
An
officer
needs
to
know
to
protect
and
serve
the
commonwealth.
N
N
This
legislation
does
not
impact
current
constables
or
their
deputies,
because
it
grandfathers
current
constables
in
I'm,
going
to
repeat
that
this
legislation
grandfathers,
current
constables
and
their
deputies
in
allowing
them
to
use
peace
officer
powers
for
as
long
as
they
serve
house
bill.
239
has
delayed
effective
date
of
january
1
2023
after
the
next
election
cycle
house.
Bill
239
would
not
stop
newly
elected
constables,
who
are
not
pop
certified
from
serving
their
communities.
N
They'll
still
be
able
to
serve
legal
process,
assist
with
child
support
actions,
serve
subpoenas
direct
traffic,
provide
funeral
escorts
and
perform
other
community
services
house
bill.
239
ensures
that
a
constable
has
not
been
through
the
same
training
and
certification
process
that
we,
the
legislature,
expect
of
other
law
enforcement
officers
cannot
infringe
on
another
person's.
Civil
liberties
cannot
make
a
traffic
stop,
make
an
arrest
or
file
criminal
charges
house
bill
239
will
help
constables,
get
that
required.
N
The
ocjt
holds
about
nine
to
ten
classes
a
year
with
30
recruits
in
each
class.
The
provision
to
accept
one
qualified
constable
per
yoc
training
class
was
added,
despite
a
wait
of
several
months
for
newly
hired
police
officers
and
sheriff's
deputies.
I
know
time
is
short
and
I
will
cut
off
my
comments
right
there
and
allow
brianna
to
make
a
few
comments
if
she
would
good
afternoon.
O
We
are
thankful
that
you've
allowed
us
to
hear
this
bill
today,
several
other
states,
actually
half
of
the
states
have
addressed
the
antiquated
office
of
constable.
16
states
have
eliminated
the
office.
Seven
have
allowed
municipalities
to
address
it.
Six
other
states,
including
arizona,
texas,
maryland
south
carolina,
massachusetts
and
pennsylvania,
have
adopted
some
similar
measures
of
what
we're
actually
proposing
today.
Those
states
require
constables
to
receive
police
training
in
order
to
use
their
law
enforcement
powers
house
bill.
239
is
a
result
of
several
years.
O
I
think
representative
koenig
addressed
that
13
years
of
discussions
and
drafts,
and
we
have
met
with
the
constables,
association
and
other
constables
several
times
throughout
the
course
of
discussions.
This
measure
has
a
delayed,
effective
date
of
january
1
2023
to
ensure
that
this
does
not
impact
anyone
who
is
currently
in
office.
This
will
ensure
that
the
changes
only
impact
untrained,
constables,
who
begin
their
first
term
after
the
2022
election.
O
Certified
constables
will
be
allowed
to
utilize
their
blue
lights
on
their
vehicles,
without
training
approval
from
the
fiscal
court
as
long
as
they
maintain
their
certification
and
do
not
abuse
that
authorization.
Additionally
house
bill
239
provides
the
constables,
a
path
to
receive
certification.
O
The
bill
specifies
that
the
constables
can
apply
to
any
kentucky
law
enforcement
council
certified
basic
training
course,
which
it
would
include
any
that
are
certified,
and
the
bill
requires
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training
to
accept
at
least
one
constable
in
each
training
class
doc
jt
does
average
at
least
10
training
classes
per
year
with
30
recruits
per
class
doc.
Jt
also
knows
of
only
one
constable
who's
applied
to
the
academy
over
the
past
five
years
and
additionally,
only
13
constables
have
applied
for
in-service
classes.
O
The
provision
to
accept
one
qualified
constable
per
doc
training
class
was
added.
Despite
a
wait
of
several
months
for
newly
hired
police
officers
and
sheriff's
deputies.
We
have
had
several
conversations
with
the
constables
and
the
constables
association
over
the
past
several
years
and
we
want
to
stress
that
we
know
and
acknowledge
that
not
all
constables
are
bad
and
not
all
constables
exercise,
police
officer
powers.
O
We
also
know
that
those
who
will
speak
against
the
bill
will
stress
that
there
are
bad
actors
in
law
enforcement
and
we
know
that
in
2019
the
legislature
passed
house
bill
191
to
strengthen
or
to
create
the
decertification
process
for
troubled
police
officers.
Last
year
you
strengthened
that
measure
by
passing
senate
bill
80..
Both
of
those
measures
were
also
championed
by
klc
house
bill
239
addresses
those
constables
who
piece
off
whose
peace
officer
powers
are
statutorily
granted
not
constitutionally,
and
this
bill
will
make
our
cons
our
community
safer,
and
we
ask
for
your
support.
F
F
All
this
training
is
in
addition
to
the
minimum
mandatory
40
hours
of
required
in-service
training
received
each
year
most
citizens
that
I
speak
to
do
not
realize
that
constables
have
the
same
authority
as
a
police
officer.
Not
only
can
they
pull
you
over
without
any
training,
but
they
can
also
arrest
you
without
any
training.
F
F
Now
our
county
government
is
tied
up
in
numerous
lawsuits
due
to
the
actions
of
these
two
men
and
neither
of
them
were
certified
officers.
Untrained
constables
can
also
be
a
liability
for
other
law
enforcement
in
our
state.
I
have
personally
pulled
up
to
a
constable
before
to
check
on
him
and
make
sure
he
was
okay.
Unfortunately,
he
was
struggling
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
write
a
traffic
citation.
F
F
F
We
are
not
here
today
to
ask
for
the
position
of
constable
to
be
abolished
and,
quite
honestly,
it
is
unfair
that
the
position
we
put
constables
in
today
without
any
training,
I'm
sure
many
of
the
constables
in
our
state
and
here
in
this
room
today,
are
honorable
men
and
women,
but
to
ask
them
to
do
a
job
they
are
not
trained
to
do
is
just
unfair.
Today
we
are
asking
if
they
be
held
to
the
same
standard
as
other
certified
police
officers
if
they
wish
to
have
full
police
powers
as
certified
officers.
F
A
Thank
you
and
if
we
could
have
our
guests
behind
you,
the
constant
from
the
constables
association
make
their
way
to
the
table.
Then
we'll
ask
questions
at
the
end
stars.
If
you
could
be
quick
here,
we
have
a
couple
of
questions
already
in
the
queue.
So
mr
mcnabb
and
guest,
thank
you
for
being
here
like.
If
you
could
give
your
name
and
identify
yourself
and
then
the
floor
is
yours,
got
about
maybe
seven
minutes
or
so
five
seven
minutes.
P
K
P
It
attempts
to
strip
a
constitutionally
elected
peace
officer
of
their
peace
officer
powers
unless
they
complete
a
20-week
training
academy.
The
peace
officer
powers
were
embedded
in
the
position
of
constable
same
as
sheriffs,
jailers
and
coroners.
When
the
position
was
established
in
our
constitution
in
1850.
P
Putting
aside
the
constitutional
issue
for
a
moment,
representative
koenig
would
like
for
you
to
believe
that
this
bill
is
all
about
training.
However,
this
bill
isn't
a
training
bill
at
all.
It
is
a
bill
about
eliminating
the
office
of
constable
through
attrition
and
turning
it
into
an
empty
shell
that
our
supreme
court
has
determined
to
be
unconstitutional
house
bill.
239
only
allows
one
constable
in
each
doc,
jt
training
class,
as
mentioned
there
are
only
nine
to
ten
training
classes
per
year
with
nearly
600
constables
and
deputy
councils
in
kentucky.
P
P
Other
constables
would
simply
not
be
able
to
complete
the
rigorous
physical
agility
requirements
to
pass
the
academy
due
to
their
age
or
other
conditions.
This
requirement
would
effectively
discriminate
against
the
class
of
potential
candidates
for
the
office
due
to
their
age
or
physical
disabilities.
P
Many
constables
in
kentucky
depend
many
counties
in
kentucky
depend
heavily
on
their
constables
to
supplement
their
law
enforcement
protection
with
police
and
sheriff's
departments
all
across
the
state
suffering
from
dangerous
short
staffing
issues.
It's
the
constables
that
pick
up
the
slack
and
fill
the
void
where
needed.
P
I
can
testify
to
a
personal
example
of
how
important
constables
are,
especially
in
rural
kentucky.
I
was
a
police
officer
for
a
small
department
in
northeastern
kentucky
and
found
myself
as
the
lone
man
on
third
shift,
with
my
near
nearest
backup
being
20
minutes
away.
There
were
many
occasions
when
I
called
for
assistance
at
two
or
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
and
it
was
a
constable
that
showed
up
to
help
me
and
I
appreciated
that
assistance.
P
P
There
are
other
constable
training
options
currently
filed
in
the
house
with
house
bill
155
house
bill
155
establishes
a
constable
training
certification
program
consisting
of
88
hours
in
the
areas
of
basic
law
enforcement,
skil,
basic
officer
skills,
constitutional
law,
penal
code
and
domestic
violence.
Once
the
constable
completes
the
request
of
training,
he
would
be
become
a
certified
constable
to
maintain
that
certification,
they
would
be
required
to
complete
a
40-hour
in-service
training,
annually,
complete
firearms
qualification
annually
and
complete
emergency
vehicle
operations,
training
bi-annually.
P
Training
for
all
law
enforcement
officers
is
necessary,
but
house
bill.
239
is
not
the
answer
for
constables,
removing
nearly
600
volunteer
law
enforcement
officers
from
our
county
roadways.
In
a
time
when
law
enforcement
agencies
all
across
the
state
are
stressed
beyond
their
capacities
is
not
the
best
interest
of
the
citizens
of
kentucky.
P
That
is
why
I
ask
you
today
to
oppose
house
bill
239
and
protect
our
constitution
and
protect
the
communities
across
the
commonwealth,
who
have
depended
on
their
constables
for
the
past
172
years,
when
each
of
us
took
the
oath
to
take
office,
we
swore
to
uphold
the
constitution
of
this
commonwealth,
and
I
ask
you
to
uphold
that
constitution
today
and
vote
no
on
the
passage
of
house
bill.
239
refer
to.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
Thanks
to
the
committee
for
having
us,
I
certainly
have
mountains
of
respect
for
each
and
every
one
of
you
I
want.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
just
real
quickly.
First
of
all,
as
I
said,
william
ellis
clark,
county
attorney
bachelor's
degree
in
police
administration,
public
safety,
I
graduated
from
department
of
criminal
justice
training
in
1988
spent
11
years
in
law
enforcement
myself
before
becoming
an
attorney
and
prosecuting
thousands
of
bad
guys.
Q
Clark
county
can't
live
without
its
constables,
as
it
was
admitted
here
earlier,
they're
upstanding
people,
business
people
in
our
community.
The
difference
is,
is
that
a
police
officer
hired
to
perform
intense
law
enforcement
responsibilities
over
a
20-25
year
period
and
a
constable
is
that
the
police
officer
screened
out
of
an
application
process.
Investment
is
made
in
training.
We
know
he's
going
to
be
in
an
intense
environment
for
20
years.
We
recover
those
training
dollars.
Q
He
gets
better
and
better
all
the
time
constable
elected
by
his
neighbors,
his
friends
who
love
and
trust
him
already.
His
responsibilities
are
not
the
same.
We
shouldn't
think
about
him.
The
same
it
does
law
enforcement
and
injustice
to
put
everybody
in
one
barrel
and
say
that
sheriff's
deputies,
law
enforcement
varieties
of
all
types
police
officers,
troopers
constables,
we're
all
the
same.
They
all
have
the
same.
Training
training
should
relate
to
responsibilities
and
in
clark
county
kentucky
these
fellows
they
serve
process,
roadside
assistance,
event
control.
Q
They
do
some
law
enforcement
response
and
law
enforcement
response
is
dangerous,
but
they
they
fill
in
their
ranks
with
quit
or
fired
police
officers.
That's
who
you
pop
certified
candidates
are
going
to
be
you
pop
certified
candidate
who
quit
quitter
fired,
is
the
only
one
eligible
to
put
his
name
on
the
ballot
in
2023.
Q
If
he
wants
to
have
arrest
powers
that
brings
more
danger
to
the
community,
those
people
have
been
screened
out
of
the
process.
You
don't
want
to
bring
them
back
in
with
full
arrest
power
and
no
supervision.
You
know
the
the
the
cost
of
insuring
liability
should
be
a
local
issue.
Let
me
tell
you
what
we
do
in
clark
county
kentucky,
because
I
think
it's
a
model
platform.
We
have
a
constable
oversight
board
that
has
three
members
of
the
fiscal
court
on
it:
two
members
of
the
local
constable
association
and
by
executive
committee.
Q
They
determine
what
the
150-page
sop
of
the
clark
county
constable
is
going
to
be
and
that
sop
limits
law
enforcement
activities
with
the
use
of
blue
lights
and
emergency
equipment
only
to
non-emergency
situations,
power
of
arrest
is
needed,
but
if
they're
going
to
turn
those
lights
on
race
through
that
town,
they've
got
to
have
a
specific
request
from
the
highest
ranking
police
officer.
On
that
9-1-1
platform,
no
call
jumping
no
call
taking.
So
I
offer
that
to
you
to
demonstrate
just
how
local
it
is.
You
heard
two
examples
of
two
bad
guys.
Q
I
could
say
the
same
thing
about
big
city,
police
officers,
lexington
and
fayette
county
have
each
fired
one
for
misconduct
in
the
last
year.
Since
I
sat
at
this
table
with
you
last
year,
telling
you
how
great
consoles
are
and
then
I
can
name
six
guys
in
clark
county
kentucky
that
haven't
done
a
thing
so
don't
take
clark,
county's
consoles
away
from
clark
county
in
the
name
of
fixing
some
issue
that
they
have
in
somerset
leave
our
guys
in
place
mate.
Let's
pass
this
bill
one
more
year,
it's
been
13
years.
Q
A
R
Just
a
comment,
I
think
you've
heard
it
from
my
own
county
attorney
flynn:
tuller
who's
a
constable
in
clark
county.
This
is
a
big
deal
for
us,
and
I've
spoken
out
about
about
this
bill
in
the
past.
You
know
this.
I
don't
think
our
county
attorney's
office
could
function
properly.
This
county
attorney's,
taking
us
from
120th
in
terms
of
child
kind
of
collections
for
people
that
are
deficient
on
their
child
support.
I
think
first
in
the
state,
partly
mainly
because
our
are
the
ones
who
are
serving
those
issues
and
doing
those
things.
R
We've
got
a
model
situation
in
clark
county.
I
had
just
a
quick
blurb
from
somebody
in
my
district
who
sent
me
an
email
regarding
this
bill
saying
I
have
some
of
the
best
neighbors
who
are
good
people.
Some
criminals
shoot
at
our
mailboxes
as
targets
steal
our
tools,
throw
dangerous
drugs
and
needles
into
the
creeks
where
cattle
drink
all
this
virtually
stopped
after
our
local
constables
began.
Driving
around
he'd
have
zero
effect
if
he
wasn't
allowed
to
be
armed
or
have
the
resources
necessary
to
protect
the
good
people
of
our
community.
R
These
folks
are
important
in
our
rural
communities,
and
I've
got
partly
urban
and
rural,
and
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
discussions
on
this,
but
this,
for
me,
is
really
personal,
and
this
really
will
hamstring
our
guys
limit.
What
they
can
do.
We've
got
a
model
situation,
they're
dearly
loved.
Our
landlord
association
loves
these
guys
as
well,
and
we
really
can't
afford
to
have
this
done
to
them.
I
see
this.
You
know
kind
of
a
flyer
where
it
puts
these
guys
making
them
look
like.
R
We
could
do
this
with
people
that
have
served
in
the
legislature,
people
that
have
served
in
as
as
sheriffs
as.
As
you
know,
people
have
served
in
police
departments
all
over
the
place.
There's
bad
actors
everywhere,
but
I
mean
ultimately
again
there's
systems
where
it's
working
great
and
I'm
gonna
encourage
members
to
vote
no
on
this.
I
just
think
it's
a
bad
idea
and
it's
going
to
hurt,
hurt
a
lot
of
small
communities
that
rely
on
our
constables
to
do
a
great
job.
A
A
L
A
J
You
I
vote.
I
today
as
well
just
want
to
address
some
of
the
comments
you
know.
I
do
not
think
it
strips.
I
think.
Clearly,
the
language
keeps
the
office
constable
takes
away
the
arrest
powers.
I
think
that
is
reasonable.
You
know
we
heard
constables
are
outstanding
people
and
I
believe
most
in
kentucky
are,
but
unfortunately
we
do
have
a
number
of
examples,
not
just
two.
J
J
Well,
I
agree
with
that
and
you
oftentimes
hope
that
the
election
process
weeds
out
the
bad
apples,
but
we
have
situations
in
my
county
being
one
of
them
where
there
is
a
chance
that
a
constable
who
had
previously
been
a
felon
who
was
pardoned
was
going
to
run
on
the
post
until
someone
else
was
encouraged
to
run
against
him.
So
you
clearly
have
situations
where
bad
actors
are
being
elected,
not
because
their
neighbors
are
saying
these
are
good
people,
but
because
no
one
else
is
even
stepping
up.
So
for
these
reasons
I
vote,
I.
A
C
Mr
chairman,
the
constitution
doesn't
require
sheriffs
to
have
pop
certification.
We
don't
require
special
deputies
to
have
pop
certification
and
we
shouldn't
be
requiring
constables
to
have
pop
certification.
C
And
to
speak
to
the
political
campaign,
style,
scam,
ads
that
come
to
our
desks
here,
it's
totally
embarrassing.
I
have
actually
seen
this
number
of
people
just
in
my
county
alone
in
the
paper.
Unfortunately,
but
it
seems
like
every
time
I
turn
around.
We've
got
another
one
of
our
sometimes
elected,
but
usually
sheriff
deputy
or
somebody
like
that
doing
something,
and
it's
not
just
my
county.
My
county
is
not
hitting
the
national
news.
We've
got
places
like
bardstown,
I
mean
they're
city
police
people
are
scared
to
walk
in
there,
they're
gonna
get
shot.
C
Somebody
else
is
gonna,
get
killed,
there's
all
kinds
of
terrible
stuff
going
on
and
that's
got
nothing
to
do
with
this
issue.
So
I
find
it
entirely
wrong
to
pit
the
constitution
against
bad
headlines,
and
the
most
important
thing
here
is
the
lack
of
police
force
that
we
already
have.
I
don't
see
how
we're
going
to
fill
that
gap.
There's
just
no
earthly
way
we're
going
to
fill
that
gap
when
we
get
rid
of
by
attrition.
I
like
that
word.
It
explains
this
bill.
C
100
percent
of
these
guys
sitting
right
here-
and
this
is
an
urban
versus
rural
issue,
because
the
rural
communities
depend
more
than
the
urbans,
but
frankly
one
of
the
best
departments-
I've
seen
from
fayette
county
they're,
really
organized
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
rural
versus
urban.
I
think
we
need
to
stand
up
for
law
enforcement.
I
thought
that
bodies
like
ours
were
the
people
who
did
stand
up
for
law
enforcement,
I'm
staying
up
for
law
enforcement
today
and
voting.
No.
A
Vote
I
and
house
bill
5
or
sorry,
293
or
239
passes
with
favorable
expression
eight
to
three
and
it
will
move
forward.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
have
we
have
extremely
tight
schedules
here,
I'm
going
to
make
an
executive
decision.
We
have
we'll
have
another
special
meeting,
I'm
going
to
roll
these
final
bills.
I
apologize
for
folks
that
have
waited
here.
Just
so
you
know
we.
We
have
three
house
committees
that
roll
into
this
one
committee
and
this.
A
Yeah
and
and
senator
thayer
we'll
give
these
four
bills
readings
on
the
floor.
So
it
will
not
inhibit
these
moving
forward,
but
thank
you
so
much
and
I
apologize
again
for
if
you've
stayed
in
here
for
the
last
hour,
but
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.