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A
Okay,
are
there
any
members
who
have
any
recognition
introductions
that
they
would
like
to
make
started.
A
All
right
hearing
none,
we
will
move
forward
this
meeting
today
we
are
going
to
cover
the
various
delivery
models
for
early
childhood
education
within
the
commonwealth
and
the
last
meeting
we
focused
on
the
child
care
facility
from
a
business
model
at
toyota
and
spent
some
time
on
that
a
very
interesting
day
and
great
information
that
we
heard
that
day,
but
today
we're
going
to
focus
on
the
more
traditional
delivery
models
throughout
the
state,
and
we
have
several
folks
here
to
testify,
and
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
being
here.
A
I
know
some
of
you
traveled
quite
a
distance
to
be
here
today
and
very
grateful
for
that.
I
do
want
to
say
something
in
the
beginning.
You
all
are
all
aware
that
a
special
session
has
been
called
to
address
the
issue:
the
flooding
issue
in
eastern
kentucky
and
appropriating
funds
to
to
help
support
those
folks
who
are
really
struggling
right
now
and
and
all
the
stuff,
the
stories
information.
A
I
get
just
a
huge
disaster
and
very
sad,
and
it
is
a
time
for
the
state
to
jump
in
and
provide
badly
needed
assistance
right
now,
so
that
that
is
the
goal.
Because
of
that
there
will
be
democrat
members
of
this
task
force
that
will
have
to
leave
at
two
o'clock
to
caucus
before
the
session
starts
at
three.
A
So
I
want
to
apologize
for
that,
but
if
you
are
presenting
after
they
leave,
please
keep
in
mind
that
all
this
is
recorded
and
we
will
expect
members
to
go
back
and
review
the
testimony
that
they
missed
and
look
at
the
documents
to
to
make
sure
that
they
are
up
to
speed.
And
if
we
have
any
questions
it's
possible
in
the
future,
we
may
bring
some
of
you
back
to
testify,
as
we
start
really
focusing
in
on
details
in
whatever
area
that
might
be
all
right.
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I
meant
the
republican
caucus
in
the
house.
I
apologize
for
that
and
before
we
hear
the
testimony,
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
A
Have
a
motion
in
a
second
all.
Those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
no
motion.
Carry
minutes
are
approved
the
way
we're
going
to
do
this,
I'm
going
to
ask
three
presenters
to
come
up
at
a
time
and
then
we
will
go
through
the
testimony
and
you
will
have
up
to
15
minutes
to
present
and
I
think
we're
going
to
hold
all
questions
till
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
F
F
F
F
I
kids
is
a
accredited
center
in
marshall
county
kentucky.
We
are
five-star
rated.
We
are
nayce
accredited
and
we're
licensed
for
97
children,
although
we're
licensed
for
97
children
because
we're
nac
accredited,
we
only
care
for
about
89
kiddos
at
a
time
because
we
do
choose
to
have
those
lower
ratios.
F
F
F
We
do
work
with
marshall
county
high
school
in
having
co-op
placements
each
year
for
juniors
and
seniors
when
the
juniors
finish
they're
working
on
their
child
care,
see
their
child
development
program
credential
and
then,
when
our
seniors
and
exit
they
have
their
cda.
We
work
with
murray
state
university
for
annual
practicum
placements
for
their
bachelor's
and
master's
degree
students.
We
work
with
western
kentucky
community
technical
college
with
their
students
for
practicum
placements,
and
then
we
currently
have
six
employees
that
are
part
of
the
apprenticeship
program
that's
being
put
on
by
the
state.
F
The
magic
person
stopped
for
years
in
order
to
be
nac
accredited
we've
worked
with
all
the
programs
that
are
offered
to
us
and
all
the
great
things
that
are
currently
in
place
here.
With
this
state,
we
work
with
the
division
of
early
childhood,
the
early
child
care
development
program,
hands
program,
healthy,
start,
early,
childhood
mental
health,
oral
health,
the
substance
abuse
treatment
program.
We
work
with
all
of
these
other
programs
that
are
currently
available,
and
it's
because
of
these
partnerships
that
we've
been
able
to
maintain
our
accreditation
for
over
13
years.
F
So
again,
some
of
the
things
that
are
offered
to
our
families
that
that
are
supported
are
the
child
care
subsidy
program.
We
do
participate
in
ccap
the
child
care
subsidy
program.
I'm
very
excited
to
say
that
at
this
point
for
our
toddlers
we
receive
34
a
day.
If
you
recall,
I've
testified
with
you
before
and
the
last
time
I
was
called
to
testify.
I
kids
received
twenty
dollars
a
day
in
the
child
care
assist
child
care
assistance,
program
subsidies
that
has
since
increased,
which
is
fantastic.
F
F
F
I
also
want
you
to
know
that,
in
addition
to
neurotypical
children,
we
serve
children
with
developmental
delays,
children
with
unique
dietary
needs,
children
born
addicted
to
heroin
children
diagnosed
with
autism,
spectrum
disorders,
foster
children,
and
we
also
work
with
children
that
are
expelled
from
other
child
care
centers
in
our
area
we
are
quality,
but
our
teachers
make
13
an
hour.
That
is
a
tremendous
difference
from
what
they
made
just
a
year
ago,
and
that's
because
of
the
arpa
stipends.
F
That
means
a
cut
in
their
pay.
That
means
they'll,
probably
leave
us
and
of
course
we
understand
that
when
arpa
is
gone,
we're
probably
going
to
have
to
increase
tuition
to
cover
the
employee
in
play.
The
employee
pay
increase
and
that's
a
30
to
40
percent
tuition
increase
to
families,
we're
going
to
lose
families.
F
F
I
can't
imagine
what
that's
going
to
look
like
for
our
families.
Should
we
have
to
do
this
again
and
what's
covering
our
shortfall,
the
arpa
money
is
doing
that
and-
and
I
know
that-
we're
not
alone
in
this
there's
some
preliminary
data
that
has
come
out
of
the
pritchard
committee.
They
sent
out
a
survey
just
last
week
to
centers
they've
had
about
over
400
close
to
500
respondents
to
this
survey
and
their
answers
are
very
similar
to
what
I
have.
F
F
D
D
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
My
name
is
amy
smith.
I
am
principal
and
preschool
coordinator
in
plessy
county
schools,
I'm
beginning
my
27th
year
in
education,
but
still
feel
strong
that
there's
many
more
changes
that
can
occur,
particularly
in
the
public
school
system
for
preschool.
D
D
D
Preschool
is
regulated
to
just
be
a
half-day
program,
so
the
challenges
that
we
see
is
that
working
families
need
all-day
care,
so
they
can
do
a
nine-to-five
job
or
work.
You
know
eight
to
ten
hours
a
day
in
looking
at
that
it
was.
What
can
we
do
to
help
these
families
that
attend
our
program
and
provide
the
services,
so
they
don't
have
to
pick
up
or
transportation
that
doesn't
have
to
be
provided
by
a
guardian,
a
neighbor
or
a
babysitter.
D
So
currently-
and
this
began
in
2000,
we
have
a
childcare
facility
in
my
building
that
we
call
wrap
around
so
the
other
part
of
the
day
they
can
do
before
school.
They
can
do
that
wrap-around
program
and
they
can
do
an
after-school
program
now,
right
now,
I
have
63
percent
of
my
enrollment
that
actually
attend
63
of
the
preschool
enrollment
that
actually
attend
that
wraparound
program,
either
before
school,
the
other
part
of
the
day
or
after
school,
and
what
do
they
get
while
they're
there?
They
get
continued
curriculum.
D
D
D
The
unique
thing
also
is
that
my
staff
are
employed
by
our
school
system,
so
they
get
the
benefits
that
I
would
get
as
a
principal.
They
get
the
retirement
under
cers.
They
get
the
insurance,
they
get
the
time
off.
They
get
the
emergency
day,
so
they
get
the
same
benefits
that
a
classified
personnel
does,
because
that's
what
they're
considered
in
our
district
is
classified
personnel.
D
So
when
I
look
at
how
do
we,
how
are
we
able
to
do
what
we
do
at
my
school
and
how
do
we
provide
these
funds
so
preschool
funding,
as
you
know,
is
determined
by
the
legislative
biennial
budget.
But
then
I
have
to
look
at.
How
am
I
going
to
afford
to
maintain
what
I'm
doing
for
these
families
and
what
kind
of
funding
can
I
take
so
so
support
those
programs?
D
So
when
we
look
at
what
is
the
impact
of
public
preschool,
this
is
what
we
look
at
and
kindergarten
readiness
is
such
a
big
topic
when
we're
looking
at.
How
can
we
prepare
these
children
when
they
come
to
us
as
a
three-year-old
in
the
public
preschool
and
they're,
not
talking?
They
can't
express
their
feelings
or
they're?
Not
their
social
skills
are
lacking.
D
So
how
can
we
prepare
them
with
the
curriculum
that
we
have
and
the
structure
that
we
have
so
looking
at
the
things
that
we
can
set
up
in
a
learning
environment
which
includes
preparing
them
for
kindergarten,
the
opportunity
to
overall
develop?
It
also
builds
that
confidence
and
that
self-esteem,
it
promotes
those
language
and
cognitive
skills,
improves
those
social
skills
and
it
definitely
increases
attention
span
as
we're
providing
opportunities
for
them.
D
The
biggest
thing
is
that
we
set
that
foundation
for
lifelong
learning
and
student
success.
I'm
also
very
fortunate
that
I
have
speech
therapists
in
my
building
and
they
serve
my
children
also
contract
with
head
start
to
serve
those
children,
and
then
occupational,
therapists
and
physical
therapists
that
rotate
through
my
building
as
well.
D
D
We
saw
even
a
bigger
increase
because
we
reflected
on
what
we
did
right
and
what
we
needed
to
correct
from
2017..
81
of
the
students
who
participated
in
those
programs
were
ready
or
ready,
with
enrichments,
with
51
percent
of
the
state
and
45
percent
of
the
district.
So
we
do
believe
that
the
quality
in
the
structure
that
we
provide
prepares
them
for
kindergarten.
D
She
was
very,
she
did
not
want
to
initially
put
him
into
school
because
he's
three,
but
the
outcomes
that
he
is
now
in
fourth
grade
is
amazing
and
she
all
she
relates
that
back
to
the
experience
that
he
does
in
early
childhood
setting
another
one.
The
mom
feels
that
she's
a
leader
she's
a
reader,
and
that
because
of
preschool
with
us-
and
she
was
all
day,
both
these
children
were
all
day
that
they
got
the
success
that
they
needed
to
be
lifelong
learners.
D
You'll
see
in
the
middle
is
one
of
my
pre-k
kindergarten
teachers,
and
I
ask
her
tell
me,
as
a
kindergarten
teacher,
how
do
you
feel
we
prepare
them
for
kindergarten
and
she
talks
about
that.
The
struggles
that
we
face
in
early
childhood
at
the
diapers
and
trying
to
teach
them
to
attend,
so
they
can
be
kindergarten
ready
and
school
ready
when
they
go
to
kindergarten
that
it's
a
continuous
challenge.
D
D
We
also
know
that
we
cannot
take
waiting
lists
in
public
preschool,
which
means
that,
if
I've
already
a
lot
of
my
funding
for
the
year
for
the
programs
that
I
have,
but
I
need
to
open
up
another
preschool
classroom,
then
one
I
only
had
to
find
space.
But
I
have
to
reallocate
my
funding
for
that
and
hope
that
I
had
the
funding
to
do
that
as
well.
D
Districts,
like
I
said,
have
to
find
funding
to
cover
the
cost
of
materials
and
staff
as
well.
Our
preschool
enrollment
continues
to
increase
since
the
decline
of
2020.
We
are
going
up
little
by
little.
It's
still
about
3000
down
to
what
it
was
prior
to
the
pandemic,
but
we're
hoping
that
this
year,
our
numbers
will
continue
to
climb
to
pre-pre
pandemic
numbers.
The
current
funding
for
2023
is
84
million,
which
is
a
decrease
in
funding
from
2
672
from
last
year's
budget.
D
D
So
what
can
potentially
happen
if
we
get
better
resources
for
public
preschool
and
early
childhood
programs?
More
students
are
served
in
quality
programs.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
hire,
maintain,
classified
and
certified
staff,
there's
better
collaborative
efforts
between
public
preschool
and
early
childhood
programs
in
our
community.
D
The
community
has
a
better
understanding
and
an
increased
support
of
our
programs.
We
also
can
increase
our
family
engagement
when
they
feel
that
our
programs
are
valued
by
all
stakeholders,
including
you
and
our
community
members,
increasing
their
workforce.
Also
because
we
provide
this
program
in
our
area
and
in
our
school
system,
then
our
school
system
is
able
to
hire
more
people
because
they
know
they
have
a
child
care
facility
that
they
can
go
to.
D
A
Amy,
while
he's
pulling
this
up,
can
you
can
you
define
what
qualifies
for
public
preschool?
I
know
with
the
disability
part
of
it
and
we're
talking
about
a
financial
income
based
qualification,
so.
D
As
a
four-year-old,
I'm
sorry,
my
voice
does
carry,
but
probably
not
that
far
as
a
three-year-old.
They
have
to
qualify
for
preschool
based
on
a
disability
and
in
one
of
the
five
domain
areas
of
learning
as
a
four-year-old.
It
can
be
based
on
income.
They
have
to
be
four
by
august,
the
first
of
year
of
attendance,
or
it
can
be
with
a
disability
or
tuition
base
if
their
spot's
available.
Okay,
very.
A
A
G
Ahead,
thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
today.
I
might
be
the
the
odd
person
out
as
you'll
see.
I
may
not
be
talking
explicitly
about
early
childhood,
but
talking
about
a
much
a
very
important
part
of
this
child
care
and
student
support
ecosystem,
which
is
out
of
school
time
programs.
So
before
school
after
school
and
summer
enrichment
opportunities
for
students.
G
G
My
organization
is
trying
to
lead
in
areas
of
data
and
research
when
it
comes
to
this
work,
so
we've
been
able
to
identify
nearly
1500
comprehensive
after
school
and
summer
learning
programs
across
the
commonwealth,
but
you
can
see
in
this
map
areas
that
are
darker
shade
of
a
blue,
have
more
concentration
of
programs,
the
lighter
shades,
less
concentration,
so
you
can
see
the
distribution
of
programs
is
not
equitable
across
the
state
and
something
that
we
certainly
want
to
draw
attention
to.
G
And
parents
do
agree
that
after
school
works
for
them,
and
definitely
here
in
kentucky
80
of
kentucky
parents,
when
surveyed
said
that
the
after-school
program
that
their
student,
that
their
child
was
in
helped
them
keep
their
job
or
helped
them
work
more
hours,
so
they
could
provide
for
their
family.
G
G
Obviously,
as
as
we're
coming
out
of
the
covet
19
pandemic,
all
of
you
have
heard
on
the
struggles
that
students
are
experiencing
from
learning
interruptions
that
happen
during
the
pandemic,
and
so
these
programs
really
give
students
a
lifeline
to
be
able
to
have
more
time
to
catch
up
on
their
coursework,
but
also
dig
a
little
bit
deeper.
G
But
unfortunately,
we
know
that
there
are
a
number
of
barriers
to
access
across
the
commonwealth.
As
we
pointed
out
in
our
map
earlier.
We
do
know
that
30
37
of
parents
report
there
are
no
after
school
programs
available
in
their
community.
We
know
that
transportation
is
a
barrier
as
well.
So
you
know
talking
about
the
the
great
wraparound
programs
that
we
just
heard
about.
That
is.
That
is
a
key
strategy
initiative
that
we
need
to
see
more
of
so
that
parents
don't
have
to
worry
about
transporting
students
here
there
and
everywhere.
G
G
You
know
many
many
many
families
may
not
be
able
to
take
advantage
and
one
of
the
most
striking
statistics
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
dedicated
at
the
kentucky
house
school
lines
to
working
towards
and
to
bringing
this
number
down
is
that
for
every
one
student
enrolled
in
a
program
in
kentucky,
we
know
that
four
more
are
waiting
to
get
in.
G
G
We
know
that
these
these
programs
really
do
operate
at
the
nexus
of
family
schools
and
community.
We
know
that
they
really
are
at
the
center
of
of
education
and
workforce
and
safety
in
a
community,
so
they
really
can
act
to
accelerate
student
learning
and
their
recovery,
and
we
know
that
the
most
effective
approach
to
supporting
students
takes
into
consideration
the
school
age
perspective.
G
We
are
certainly
a
hundred
percent
behind
our
colleagues
that
are
advocating
for
high
quality
early
childhood
education,
and
we
just
want
to
raise
the
point
that
we
can
continue
to
provide
that
excellent
support
once
students
have
reached
school
age
and
going
on
into
after
school
on
throughout
the
summer.
A
B
B
B
D
The
three-year-olds
are
students
that
are
determined
to
have
a
disability
and
we
have
to
go
through
our
screening
process.
First
identification
of
child
find
finding
those
children
screen
the
children.
Then
we
had
to
put
them
in
interventions
and
then
get
permission
to
do
further
testing
if
that's
warranted
and
meet
to
determine
eligibility
for
the
guidelines
set
by
kentucky.
B
D
So
the
four-year-olds
can
be
students
with
disabilities
as
well
or
they
can
qualify
by
160
eligibility
guideline
for
the
poverty
line,
the
160
percent
as
a
four-year-old
by
august
1st
of
the
year
of
attendance,
and
then,
if
there's
any
tuition
spots
which
really
there
are
just
for,
we
have
to
go
on
space
and
availability
and
staffing.
So
it
just
depends,
but
those
it's
those
three
areas
that
they
can
qualify
for.
D
So,
typically,
if
they
live
in
our
school
district,
because
we
have
three
schools
in
our
area
and
those
tuition
spots
are
within
our
school
district
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we've
enhanced
our
wrap-around
program
is
what,
if
we
have
a
student
that
doesn't
qualify
for
any
program,
but
there
is
no
spot
for
them
in
a
preschool
tuition
spot.
So
we
put
them
in
a
wrap
around
program
and
that
could
be
for
anyone.
B
I
guess
so
so
I
can
make
this
make
this
as
simple
in
my
mind:
okay
yeah.
So
if
a
parent
doesn't
have
a
child
with
a
disability,
who's
a
four-year-old
right
and
and
wants
to
come
to
your
program,
and-
and
you
know
there-
there's
there's-
you
know
no,
nothing
else
wrong
with
the
child.
Can
that
parent
come
to
your
come
to
your
center
if
they,
if
they're
willing
to
pay
tuition.
A
Thank
you.
Senator
thomas
amy
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
within
pulaski
county,
the
relationship
with
private
centers
and
how
many
private
centers
and
some
of
the
concern
about
the
universal
public
pre-k
is
what
impact
it
would
have
on
other
private
centers
in
the
area.
As
far
as
it's
it's
the
four-year-olds,
basically
that
private
centers
make
generate
any
revenue
on.
G
A
D
So,
over
the
last
couple
years,
with
the
pandemic,
we
have
seen
some
of
our
centers
close,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we've
also
seen
some
centers
open
up.
I
do
a
lot
of
collaborative
efforts
with
some
of
the
providers
in
our
areas
to
help
them
prepare
the
students
that
they
have
enrolled
for
kindergarten,
but
what
we
are
seeing
now
with
the
eligibility
for
c-cap
enrollment,
because
I'm
at
160
eligibility,
some
of
them
may
not
qualify.
D
D
A
I
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
ask
jennifer
you're
talking
about
what
high
quality
child
care
is
sure,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
if
you
would
tell
us
a
bit
more
about
how
you
gauge
quality.
If
someone
walks
in
a
high
quality
center
versus
another
center,
what
what
does
it
look
like?
What
does
it
sound
like?
F
Perfect,
I'm
going
to
start
with
your
last
question.
First
kentucky
currently
measures
quality
through
the
star
rating
system,
and
so
it's
a
fantastic
program
that
allows
centers
to
be
star
rated
from
one
to
five.
And
so,
if
you
were
to
walk
into
my
center,
we
are
five-star
rated
we're.
Also
nasa
accredited
the
national
association
for
the
education
of
young
children.
We've
chosen
to
be
nicely
accredited
and
we
go
through
that
accreditation
process
with
naci.
F
So
when
you
walk
into
myspace
you're,
going
to
see
smaller
class
sizes,
you're
going
to
see
teachers
with
at
least
their
cda,
their
child
development
associate
credential.
Some
of
them
have
associate's
degrees,
and
some
of
them
have
bachelor's
and
master's
degrees.
So
that's
that's
the
first
thing
you
see
smaller
class
sizes
and
credentialed
teachers.
F
Those
credential
teachers
have
been
able
to
get
their
credentials
through
the
scholarship
programs
that
are
available
through
the
state
currently
and
they
are
currently
while
they're
working
with
us
working
towards
increasing
their
education,
increasing
their
quality
in
in
what
they
provide
to
our
children.
F
We
use
the
environmental
rating
scales,
the
iters,
the
echoers
and
the
stickers,
so
the
infant
toddler,
the
preschool
and
the
school
age,
because
we
do
provide
that
that
school-age
care
as
well,
and
so
we
have
folks
that
come
in
and
they
use
those
tools
to
measure
our
environment,
but
also
so
to
measure
the
the
materials
that
we're
providing.
F
What
the
space
looks
like
the
the
amount
of
space
we
have
that
the
children
can
be
engaging
in
they're,
also
looking
at
our
programming
making
sure
that
we
have
more
time
in
our
day,
that
is,
child
driven,
child-centered
and
developmentally
appropriate
care
practice
that
we're
providing
and
they're
also
looking
at
how
our
teachers
are
interacting
with
our
children.
So
our
teachers
down
talking
with
them
are
there
conversations
happening
which
is
building
speech
and
language?
Are
they
providing
opportunities
that
are
absolutely
recognized
as
developmentally
appropriate
for
our
children?
F
So
how
are
we
involving
our
families
in
in
the
programs
that
we
provide
beyond
just
once
a
month
or
once
a
year,
but
how
do
we
daily
engage
our
families,
involve
our
families
and
make
them
a
critical
part
of
the
program
that
we
provide
to
our
children?
Those
are
going
to
be
your
basic
things
that
they're
looking
at
and
that
we
are
being
rated
on
beyond
the
basic
licensing
regulations
that
are
out
there.
F
The
curriculum
change
the
activities
change
the
things
that
we're
giving
to
children
so
that
they
can
meet
that
next
developmental,
milestone,
you're,
also
going
to
see
teachers
as
we're
looking
and
assessing
children,
seeing
what
we
can't
provide
and
then
reaching
out
to
members
of
our
community
to
provide
that
wrap
around
care
through
first
steps
through
those
programs
that
maybe
the
child
needs
additional
speech
help
or
maybe
they
need
some
other
development
developmental
assistance,
and
we
can
use
first
steps
to
help
with
that.
F
We
also
partner
and
help
head
start
our
facility,
our
community,
only
has
half
day
care
for
our
children
that
are
in
the
head
start
programs.
They
go
to
head
start
from
eight
to
eleven,
I'm
not
sure
about
you,
but
most
parents
work
beyond
eight
to
eleven
every
day,
and
so
they
need
care
outside
of
that
time.
That
child
is
qualifying
for
the
head,
start
preschool
head
start
program,
and
so
we
work
with
the
school
for
the
children
to
be
blessed
to
us.
F
We
don't
have
the
beauty
of
the
children
staying
in
one
one
space,
the
children
are
best
to
us
for
that
that
rest
of
the
day
care
and
then
our
facility,
I'm
sorry
in
our
head,
start
programs.
They
don't
provide
care
on
fridays.
It
would
be
nice
if
all
families
didn't
have
to
work
on
fridays.
Right,
however,
that's
not
the
case,
so
our
children
that
qualify
for
head
start
are
with
us
all
day
on
friday.
F
What
we
do
with
our
children
that
are
in
head
start
is
we
work
collaboratively
with
their
teachers
that
are
over
at
the
head
start
programs
if
they
have
ieps,
if
they
have
other
learning
targets
or
learning
goals,
we
have
them
for
the
second
half
of
the
day
and
all
day
on
friday.
So
we're
going
to
continue
to
measure
those
things
that
they're
working
on
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
towards
those
goals,
to
be
part
of
that
child's
learning
community
that
child's
developmental
community
to
help
them
to
grow.
F
Those
are
the
things
that
you're
going
to
see
in
my
quality
center,
first
and
foremost,
lower
ratios
and
it's
absolutely
necessary
to
have
those
lowering
ratios,
especially
when
we're
working
with
our
young
children.
First
and
foremost,
we're
going
to
meet
those
those
standards
set
forth
by
licensing
and
regulation.
F
I
Thank
you
for
that.
What
I'm
seeing
in
louisville
is
not
enough.
Centers
aren't
are
utilizing
the
incentives
to
rise
above
the
one
star,
and
so
I
think
the
star
system
is
something
that
this
committee
could
dig
more
into,
and
I've
been
in
centers
where
the
kids
are
watching
tv
and
eating
pop-tarts.
So
we
know
we
know
when
we're
not
seeing
quality
right,
but
I
think
all.
J
A
I
Okay,
you
piece
together
funding
and
resources
so
that
kids
can
have
an
all-day
experience,
so
parents
can
have
work
day.
Do
you
wish
that
preschool
was
a
full
day
program
and
you
didn't
piece
piece
together
that
second
half
of
the
day
I.
D
Really
do
wish
that
that
it
was
a
full
day
program.
Years
ago
we
were
a
full
day
program.
It
did
make
a
difference
in
the
working
families
that
we
could
provide
for
them
and
using
our
child
care
in
our
earlier
early
childhood
programs
as
a
partner
and
maybe
some
after
school
before
school
type
of
stuff.
But
it
would
definitely
benefit
children
to
be
a
full
day
preschool
and.
I
Real
quick,
so
you
mentioned
that
your
funding
for
for
next
year
is
set
on
your
attendance
this
year
and,
of
course
you
don't
know
what
the
level
of
disability
might
be
in
your
community
or
the
level
of
need.
Do
you
wish
that
preschool
students
were
included
in
the
seek
formula.
D
So
because
it
does
because
what
the
trend
is,
is
that
we're
seeing
more
students
with
disabilities
and
the
percentage
of
disabilities
in
my
preschool
programs
climb
every
year,
so
I
may
have
with
tuition
base
with
income
based
and
with
disabilities.
D
49
of
those
are
students
with
disabilities,
and
so
you
have
to
look
at
more
staffing
and
we're
putting
into
a
classroom
of
18
students,
because
we
look
at
ratios
also,
then
that's
a
lot,
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
funding
to
do
that
and
that's
where
we
fall
short
is
finding
the
funding
to
support
our
students
to
provide
them
with
the
foundation
that
they
need.
Okay,
thank
you.
K
Thank
you
co-chair
carol.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
today.
I
will
have
to
leave
it
to
you,
so
I
apologize
but
I'll
make
sure
to
come
back
and
watch
the
rest
of
the
presentations.
My
question
is
actually
for
jennifer
jennifer.
I've
heard
so
many
positive
things
about
you.
K
Senator
carroll
put
you
on
a
pedestal
very
much,
and
so
it's
an
honor
to
be
able
to
finally
hear
this
jennifer
that
he's
been
talking
about
since
we've
had
these
conversations
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
play
off
representative
raymond's
question
of
I
think
kind
of
something
that
she's
looking
to
get
to
is
universal
preschool.
K
I
know
it's
been
a
big
question
and
it
was
funny
I
was
talking
to
a
child
care
owner
in
my
district
and
someone
that
works
at
preschool,
and
you
know
my
mom's,
the
former
director
of
preschool
in
grayson
county,
so
I'm
very
and
she's
director
of
special
ed
now
in
warren
county.
So
these
are
conversations
I've
had
for
many
years
now.
K
Just
you
know
just
do
these
types
of
conversations,
and
so
one
thing
so
I
was
with
a
child
care
owner
and
I
was
with
a
preschool
teacher
and
the
preschool
teacher
came
up
to
me
and
she's
like
why
didn't
you
fund,
you
know
all
day
preschool.
You
know,
why
aren't
you
all
focusing
on
universal
pre-k
and-
and
I
was
kind-
and
I
was-
I
started
going
through
like
here's,
what
we
did
fun
for
education.
K
K
He
looked
and
he
said
you
realize
that
if
you
all
fund
universal
pre-k,
then
child
care
centers
will
no
longer
be
because
that's
where
we
get
most
of
our
funding,
and
I
would
like
for
you
just
teresa
and
I
think
that's
it's
kind
of
the
elephant
in
the
room
you
know,
and
so
I
would
like
to
hear
your
opinion
on
that
jennifer
because
I
think
that's
a
real
concern
for
child
care
owners
and,
as
we've
had
this
task
force,
that's
something
I've
been
trying
to
keep
in.
The
back
of
my
mind
is
okay.
K
Well,
if
we
do
universe
pre-k,
then
that
takes
care
that
takes
out
child
care,
which
then
takes
out.
You
know,
basically,
I
think
an
education
for
zero
to
three
three
years
old.
Of
course,
we've
got
head
start
and
other
things,
but
you
know
that's
just
a
major
concern
of
mine
right
now,
and
so
could
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
absolutely
of
your
thoughts.
F
So
so,
yes,
so
imagine
my
class
my
space,
I
have
five
preschool
classrooms
and
I
have
two
toddler
classrooms.
It
is
those
five
preschool
classrooms
that
are
funding
the
two
toddler
classrooms.
So
if
you
take
away
children
three
and
four
or
if
you
take
away
four-year-olds,
how
am
I
going
to
cover
the
cost
of
care
for
my
toddler
classrooms
and
why
you
ask
my
toddler
care
be
more
expensive
ratios.
F
The
the
amount
of
children
per
caregiver
for
toddlers
is,
is
much
less
the
amount
of
children
per
caregivers
for
preschool.
So
many
of
your
your
child
care
providers
are
using
the
math,
the
business
model
of
larger,
preschool
space,
larger
three
and
four-year-old
space
to
be
able
to
offset
the
care
of
toddlers.
F
So
if
you
take
them
away,
the
cost
of
caring
for
toddlers
is
going
to
grow
exponentially
because
right
now,
parents
don't
pay
the
cost
for
toddlers,
because
the
preschool
space,
the
the
the
preschool
age,
three
and
four-year-olds,
are
covering
that
cost
for
them.
F
F
F
That
would
would
be
right
on
par
with
with
by
the
way
amy,
and
I
are
both
five-star
right
so
so
we're
both
measured
at
the
same
quality.
Why
couldn't
you
use
the
infrastructure?
That's
already
there
to
be
a
mixed
delivery
system,
where
high
quality
and
and
to
to
your
point
representative
raymond,
wouldn't
that
incentivize
people
to
get
into
quality
to
move
up
in
that
quality
when
you're
using
that
as
a
measure
to
say
we
can
partner
together.
F
I
strongly
encourage
you
to
look
at
mixed
delivery,
because
I
guarantee,
if
you
take
away
our
threes
and
our
four-year-olds,
our
toddlers
and
our
infants
are
not
going
to
have
care.
I
think
you
can
look
at
new
york
to
be
able
to
find
out
some
data
from
that
they've
done
the
same
and
it
went
horribly
and
it
would
be
terrible
for
for
our
commonwealth
as
well.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all.
Please
hang
around.
I'm
sure
we
will
have
other
questions
at
the
end
and
we'll
ask
the
second
panel
to
please
come
forward
tom
haggard,
sandra
woodall
and
corey
gadansky.
H
A
While
we
are
waiting,
dr
van
over,
can
you
please
explain
the
difference
between
a
blended
model
and
a
mixed
model,
because
I
find
myself
using
those
words
interchangeably
and
I'm
afraid
that
they're
not
so
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
E
E
Head
start
is
already
an
amazing
example
of
blending
and
and
using
some
of
that
mixed
delivery,
because
head
start
is
either
usually
a
licensed
child
care
program
or
a
public
school
program,
and
they
blend
either
child
care
subsidy
dollars
with
their
federal
dollars
or
they
blend
state
dollars.
E
So
blending
is
kind
of
the
the
verb
for
what
they're
doing,
but
mixed
delivery
means
that
we
are
using
all
three
entities:
the
federal-based
head
start
model,
the
state-based
public
school
preschool
and
the
private
child
care
programs,
small
businesses,
and
helping
to
integrate
them
so
that
those
blending
of
funds
go
across
the
board
and-
and
that
would
really
in
in
a
case
where
we
expand
our
public
school
system.
That
blending
would
be
what
would
financially
support
our
small
businesses
through
that
process.
A
J
Thank
you
for
your
patience
on
getting
her
in
the
room,
appreciate
that.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
today
and
focusing
on
family
child
care.
I'm
sander
woodall
I
am
with
ec
learn
ec
learn,
is
the
local
child
care
resource
referral
network
in
northern
kentucky,
serving
20
counties
of
the
northern
and
northwest
portion
of
the
state
of
kentucky
we're
providing
comprehensive
services
that
train
child
care
professionals,
educate
families
about
early
childhood
development
and
partner
with
advocates,
so
children
and
families
have
the
access
to
quality,
affordable
child
care
they
deserve.
J
J
I'm
here
from
family
child
care
providers
and
their
testimony
to
the
work
and
experience
they
have
and
then
follow,
follow
up
with
some
policy
recommendations
and
as
we
navigate
through
the
slides.
I
just
want
to
bring
attention
to
the
photos
on
each
slide.
Are
those
representing
in-home
family,
child
care
environments
throughout
our
commonwealth.
J
J
J
The
first
that
I
would
like
to
look
at
is
the
registered
and
what
I
focused
on
is
looking
at
the
ratios
of
those
that
is
the
difference
between
those
three
levels.
So
you'll
see
here
that
it's
provided
in
the
home
on
any
given
day
of
operation
for
registered.
They
can
provide
care
for
up
to
three
children
receiving
the
child
care
assistance
program
or
six
children
receiving
ccap
per
day.
J
We
then
have
certified,
which
again
is
the
in-home
care
they
can
provide
for
up
to
six
unrelated
children.
In
addition
to
those
six
unrelated
children,
a
provider
may
care
for
four
additional
children
in
their
home
with
the
registered.
We
have
currently
five
in
the
northern
kentucky
ec
learned
service
area,
and
we
have
39
throughout
the
state
with
the
certified.
J
J
So
why
are
families
choosing
in-home
family
child
care?
One
is
the
mixed
age
groups,
so
they
can
serve
from
six
weeks
to
school,
aged
children
and
that
also
allows
families
to
keep
those
siblings
together.
So
if
there
is
an
infant,
a
preschooler
and
a
school
age,
they're
all
together
in
that
home,
receiving
that
care
from
the
provider,
I
spoke
about
lower
ratios
so
compared
to
a
center-based.
They
have
some
lower
ratios
with
that
mixed
age
group
delivery
they
offer
non-traditional
hours.
J
So
when
we're
thinking
about
second
and
third
shifts
or
weekend
shifts,
this
is
provided
by
the
in-home
provider
allowing
that
home
environment.
So
when
we're
thinking
about
overnight
care
they're
in
a
bed,
the
bed
that
they're
you
know,
can
snuggle
up
and
that
could
be
their
own
bed.
So
that's
reassuring
and
then
there's
lifetime
relationships.
J
J
I
do
have
a
few
testimonies
from
providers
that
could
not
be
here
today,
and
so
I
just
want
to
highlight
some
of
the
ones
portions
of
those
testimonies,
so
michelle
tillman
owner
of
the
best
part
family,
child
care,
family,
child
care
in
covington
kentucky.
You
know
she
was
wanted
to
be
a
mom,
an
entrepreneur.
So
she
combined
that
and
she
was
an
in-home
provider
to
care
for
her
own
children
and
she
states
that
the
support
and
training
received
from
the
in-home
family
child
care
network
has
been
amazing
and
priceless
and
she
is
a
certified
provider.
H
Sure
my
name
is
francie
allison
and,
like
she
said,
I'm
from
independence
kentucky.
I
also
am
licensed.
I
used
to
be
certified
where
it
would
allow
me
to
have
six
children,
but
now
I
am
licensed
where
it
allows
me
to
have
12
children.
H
I
am
also
5
star
rated,
so
I
am
held
accountable
to
the
same
level
as
the
the
other
two,
ladies,
that
were
on
there.
I
do
take
child
care
assistance
and
right
now
I
have
half
of
my
children
or
on
child
care
assistance.
I've
been
doing
it
here
for
16
years.
H
I
do
it
because
I
love
children
and
I
love
to
see
them
grow.
I
love
to
help
them
to
be
ready
for
life
and
ready
for
kindergarten,
and
I
don't
know
what
all
you
want
me
to
say.
J
So
another
testimony
that
we
have
from
nicole
williams,
owner
and
director
of
bundle
of
love,
family
child
care
in
newport.
Again
she
started
her
entrepreneurship
because
she
wanted
to
stay
home
with
her
children.
She
wasn't
getting
the
quality
care
that
she
felt
was
needed
for
her
children,
both
in
the
classroom
and
social
emotionally,
and
so
you'll
see
here
that
she
also
valued
those
relationships
with
those
families
that
she
cares
for,
and
she
does
state
in
here
that
naturally
there's
all
things
come
with
some
challenges
and
struggles,
and
one
of
hers
was
zoning
barriers.
J
J
J
Thinking
about
you
know
the
reimbursement
rates
that
they're
now
receiving
has
increased
and
then
the
incentive
of
moving
up
into
quality-
and
you
know,
moving
from
that
registered
to
the
certified
to
the
type
two
as
well-
is
important
in
that
quality
and
thinking
about
a
concern
is
in
2013
when
there
were
some
changes
to
the
child
care
assistance
program,
a
lot
of
in-home
providers
went
to
unregulated,
which
is
a
concern,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
children
are
safe
and
they
have
a
very
qualified,
safe
learning
environment
and
then
also
looking
at
ensuring
the
success
success
of
business
partnership
grants.
J
So
when
we
look
at
the
tax
credit,
I
mean
the
businesses
or
employer
working
with
a
local
child
care
resource
and
referral
agency
that
is
within
this
network.
Those
tax
credits
could
go
towards
them.
You
know
recruiting
in-home
providers
working
with
their
employees
to
make
sure
that
there
are
some
access
to.
You
know
the
hours
that
they
need,
the
affordability
and
resources
to
them,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
present.
A
And
I
really
do
think
that
this
model
is
the
one,
especially
in
the
rural
areas,
of
the
state
that
we're
really
going
to
need
to
focus
on
and
that
you
have
heard
me
say
many
times.
Senator
gibbons
president
pro
tim
givens
talks
all
the
time
in
greensburg
and
his
community.
There
simply
are
no
child
care
providers
and-
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
way
for
mothers
that
want
to
stay
home-
want
to
take
care
of
their
kids
at
home,
but
still
make
a
living.
A
They
can
do
that
and
so
that
I
think
it's
something
we
need
to
look
at.
We'll
need
to
look
at
how
sustainable
are
those
programs.
Are
these
providers
making
a
decent
living
with
the
different
types
of
of
levels
that
they
are
and
and
what's
related
to
that?
So
that's
something
I
think
we
can
get
in
the
weeds
a
little
bit
about
in
the
future
to
to
study
a
little
bit
deeper.
A
Okay,
corey.
L
Thank
you,
chairman
carol,
thanks
for
having
me
here
today.
I,
like
sandy,
foresee
community
coordinated
child
care,
is
the
local
child
care
resource
and
referral
in
the
louisville
area,
and
we
have
the
benefit
of
having
been
one
of
the
original,
ccr
and
r
started
in
the
country
more
than
50
years
ago,
and
for
our
entire
history.
L
So
as
the
child
care
resource
and
referral,
it's
our
job
to
support
the
workforce
that
supports
the
workforce
and
so
the
the
main
areas
that
we
do
are
there
several
things
in
our
portfolio.
We
do
professional
development.
Child
care
providers
are
required
to
get
a
certain
number
of
training
hours
per
year
to
maintain
their
certification
or
license.
So
they
can
come
to
us
for
that
and
we
pride
ourselves
on
doing
really
hands-on
innovative
professional
development,
like
you
might
see
represented
in
this
photo.
L
We
are
one
of
the
five
partners
that
are
part
of
the
family
child
care
network
that
sandy
just
talked
about.
We
are
also
a
partner
in
a
fairly
new
head
start
program
in
the
state.
The
greater
louisville
head
start
is
only
going
into
its
fourth
year
now
and
we
partnered
with
another
local
agency
and
a
national
partner.
L
We
are
also
the
license
holder
of
kentucky
shared
services,
which
is
an
online
platform
available
to
all
child
care
providers
in
the
state
currently
for
free
with
private
funding.
This
is
sort
of
a
one-stop
shop
for
all
things,
child
care.
So
it
has
resources
from
you
know:
discounts
for
various
learning
supplies
to
form
letters
for
like
things
that
you
might
have
to
send
home
as
a
child
care
director
like
a
child
in
your
in
your
child's
class,
had
lice.
L
L
L
It's
sort
of
no
notable
that
we
only
have
one
type
2,
that
sort
of
large
family
child
care,
the
large
family,
child
care
home.
Oh
wait.
I
said
that
wrong.
Oh
they're
listed
differently
on
things
only
one
of
those
in
louisville,
and
that
has
really
been
around
those
zoning
barriers
which
we've
recently
addressed
with
metro
council
and
it's
not
an
easy
fix,
but
there's
at
least
a
pathway
to
being
able
to
become
a
type
2
large
family,
child
care
home,
and
so
maybe
we'll
be
able
to
include
that.
L
To
increase
that
number,
we
have
354
large
license
centers
in
louisville,
we
have
two
head
start
grantees.
I
already
mentioned
that
we're
partners
with
one
of
those
grantees,
and
it's
also
just
to
note
that
in
louisville
in
working
with
jefferson
county
public
schools,
you
know
they're
the
pre-k
provider
and
being
one
of
the
largest
school
districts
in
the
country.
L
It's
not
been
an
easy
partnership.
As
far
as
kind
of
a
mixed
delivery
model-
and
so
I
think
that
there's
you
know
potential
for
that
in
the
future.
But
the
reality
is
that
in
jefferson,
county
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
partnership
with
jefferson
county
preschool
and
the
private
childcare
community.
L
As
I
said
earlier,
advocacy
is
a
big
part
of
our
work
and
we
meet
with
some
other
advocacy
friends
weekly,
including
our
friends
at
the
pritchard
committee,
and
so
we
are
sharing
some
very
preliminary
data,
because
the
survey
that
we
are
referencing
here
is
actually
still
open
until
august
29th.
I
believe,
but
you'll
note
here
that
we've
already
received
as
of
monday,
had
already
received
480
responses
from
75
of
our
counties.
L
More
than
half
noted
that
their
center
is
not
fully
staffed.
I
actually
would
have
thought
that
that
number
was
higher
over
70
percent
said
that
they
could
hire
at
least
one
to
five
news,
two
staff
members.
It
would
help
them
be
able
to
serve
additional
children
in
their
programs.
L
More
than
half
said
that
if
the
stabilization
payments
and
the
c-cap
increases
weren't
here
that
they
would
have
already
closed
more
than
80
said
that
they
are
using
those
payments
to
increase
wages
for
employees,
and
I
will
also
note
that,
for
a
child
care
business
that
at
least
80
percent
of
the
operational
costs
are
those
cost
of
employees.
L
So
with
that,
we
would
just
ask
that
you
consider
how
we
can
sustain
those
kinds
of
investments
in
the
child
care
assistance
program,
reimbursement
rates,
the
eligibility
increases
that
we've
been
able
to
see
and
the
transition
periods.
We
would
want
to
be
able
to
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
support.
Opera
offering
competitive
wages
like
jennifer,
talked
about
to
be
competitive
even
beyond
chick-fil-a
and
walmart,
and
benefits
and
educational
opportunities,
which
also
right
now
are
receiving
additional
funding
through
arpa
dollars.
L
Wanting
extra
the
the
success
of
house
bill,
499
or
the
employee
child
care
assistance,
partnership,
and
just
overall
for
the
recognition
and
support
that
early
care
and
education
is
a
public
good
and
it
is
better
for
our
children,
our
families
and
our
community.
If
we
would
look
at
it
as
such.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
very.
M
Again,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today
to
discuss,
prescribed
pediatric
extended
care.
You
may
hear
me
refer
to
it
as
p-pac
p-pec's,
an
alternative
and
a
unique
type
of
child
care
provider,
kentucky's
very
fortunate
to
have
a
solution
like
ppec,
impacting
the
families
of
the
commonwealth.
M
Children
with
medical
complexities
are
an
extremely
vulnerable
population,
they're
characterized
by
having
chronic
medical
conditions
with
multiple
medical
specialists,
high
service
and
or
technology
needs,
and
or
have
high
and
elevated
health
care.
Resource
costs
is
just
a
few
examples
of
chronic
conditions
of
children
with
medical
complexities.
M
M
This
number
is
increasing
for
many
reasons,
but
mainly
survivorship
at
birth,
on
one
hand,
we're
saving
more
babies,
better
medicines,
better
technologies,
better
knowledge,
better
systems
and
earlier
with
multiple
births.
Even
but
on
the
other
hand,
babies
are
being
born
even
more
frequently
with
low
birth
weight
due
to
substance
exposure,
poor
prenatal
practices,
smoking
or
even
issues
like
spina,
bifida
and
neural
tube
defects
are
are
not
improving
and,
in
some
cases,
are
actually
increasing
because
the
challenges
of
assist
of
system
fragmentation
are
no
easier
for
families
in
education,
as
they
are
in
health
care.
M
M
The
association
recommended
ppec
has
a
community-based
solution
to
help
families
connect
services
and
they're
definitely
needed
nationwide.
Luckily,
ppecs
exist
as
a
solution
to
families.
Here
in
kentucky,
I
tell
everyone
that
kentucky
is
behind
in
many
healthcare
areas
and
in
some
areas,
but
in
this
kentucky
is
on
an
innovative
and
a
cutting
edge
side.
M
M
That's
given
in
those
states
is
only
up
to
the
age
of
three
or
to
the
until
the
time
they
enter
school
in
kentucky
we
have
10
p-packs
currently,
and
you
can
see
the
northern
kentucky
lexington
louisville
bowling
green
and
paducah
masonic
homes
and
sprout
has
a
facility
in
louisville
called
sproutlings
easter
seals.
West
kentucky
has
the
lily
pad
kentucky.
P
pack
has
kids
club
and
easter
seals
of
redwood
in
northern
kentucky
all
pete,
the
pepex
have
early
education
providers
and
opportunities
for
enrichment
and
school
preparation
and
collaboration
with
their
each
individual
child's
care
plan.
M
M
Ppec
reduces
isolation,
it
improves
care
coordination
and
delivery.
It's
cost
effective,
it
does
prevent
er
and
hospitalization
visits
and
it
returns.
Families
to
work,
ppec
helps
families,
succeed
and
ppec
can
elevate
the
entire
family
unit.
The
findings
of
a
recent
ppec
program
evaluation
project
showed
that
the
total
family
impact
positively
increased
with
ppec.
M
This
is
the
same
family
impact
construct.
That's
often
studied
in
education.
Not
only
did
cognitive,
physical,
social
and
emotional
functioning
and
parent-health-related
quality
of
life
improve,
but
so
did.
Communication
worry
and
family
function
just
having
that
medical
home,
although
family
functioning
scores
increased
the
most
in
60
days.
M
Last
year
it
was,
it
was
nurses
becoming
teachers
with
non-traditional
instruction.
Just
having
the
road
map
a
plan
of
care
for
each
individual
child
that
addresses
holistic
needs
of
a
child
has
been
shown
to
improve
learning
and
even
health.
M
These
are
the
stakeholders
in
ppac
pack
exists
and
is
an
upstream
solution.
It
already
exists
as
brick
and
mortar
and
can
be
utilized
for
more
services.
It's
a
ppec
is
one
of
the
the
nets
that
can
easily
catch
more
children,
the
funding
of
ppec
when
it
was
established
in
1987
here
in
the
state
and
then
licensed
in
89.
M
M
M
Pepex
first
want
to
to
increase
the
awareness
that
we're
there
and
that
we're
here
in
the
commonwealth.
Most
people
don't
know
about
them
until
they
have
a
trauma
in
their
own
family
or
hear
about
a
baby.
That's
born
that
needs
help.
Most
people
think
that
it's
just
a
subset.
That's
not
large
enough.
However.
The
cost
of
the
children,
like
I
said
without
coordinated
and
collaborative
care,
is
huge.
Ppex
should
be
included
more
often
in
the
infrastructure
of
case
management
for
children,
with
medical
complexities
and
identification.
M
A
connection
of
services
needs
to
be
universal
for
the
whole
state,
look
to
ppec
and
community
to
help
control
and
leverage
the
outcomes
and
task
forces.
Like
this,
one
can
help
with
the
system,
barriers
and
fragmentation
with
transportation
or
even
working
with
other
competing
agencies.
Like
first
steps.
A
Thank
you
jody
and
the
the
picks
up.
I
think
there
is
another
p
pack
that
will
be
opening
next
year
and
that's
in
lexington,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
easter
seals
kentucky.
So
three
of
them
are
part
of
easter,
the
easter
seals
family
and
the
center
that
I
run
in
paducah.
We
started
rp
pack
in
2013.
A
I
believe
one
of
the
most
rewarding
successful
programs
I've
ever
been
involved
with
and
and
thanks
to
jody
and
his
assistants
back
then,
to
help
get
us
going
and-
and
I
think
that's
a
program
throughout
the
state
as
we
have
to
as
we
go
through
this
process.
With
this
task
force,
we
can't
forget
those
kids
that
are
struggling
with
medical
issues
or
or
other
special
needs.
A
We
have
to
remember
them,
and
this
program
is
one
that
we
can
grow
throughout
the
state
that,
if
done
correctly,
it
can
help
child
care
sustain
and
the
model
that
we
run
by.
We
have
a
early
childhood
education
center
about
120,
kids
at
full
capacity,
and
we
have
a
p
pack
well.
If
we
had
to
rely
on
the
the
child
care
part
of
it,
we
would
close
our
doors.
A
The
ppec
helps
to
keep
that
other
program
going,
so
it
is
something
where,
as
as
you
as
owners
or
people,
anticipating
opening
centers
something
to
look
at
in
their
areas.
It
is
a
certificate
of
need
process,
but
it
is
something
as
far
as
a
revenue
stream
and
a
program
that
really
makes
a
difference
in
lives.
A
Maybe
it's
something
that
some
of
these
centers
can
look
at.
We
had
hoped
to
have
the
vips
program
here
today
and
that's
a
program
providing
services
for
those
who
are
visually
impaired,
but
those
folks
could
not
be
here,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
all
the
people
watching
this
know
that
we
are
looking
at
these
populations
as
we
move
forward
and
looking
at
solutions
for
the
struggles
that
these
populations
face,
also
in
in
addressing
child
care.
A
One
question
that
I
have
real
quickly
with
with
the
zoning
and
that
that
seems
to
be
a
big
issue.
I
know
a
couple
years
ago
I
carried
a
bill
that
allowed
cities,
municipalities
counties
to
look
at
these
family
providers
separately
in
considering
whether
or
not
to
grant
them
the
ability
to
to
open
within
a
residential
area
and
I've
heard
of
some
cities
that
have
done
that.
But
obviously
it's
not
enough,
and
maybe
we
need
to
readdress
that
to
make
it
more
statewide
comments
on
that.
J
So
I'll
ask
corey
to
chime
in
on
this
as
well,
but
yes,
having
some
common
language
that
is
conducive
and
consistent
throughout
the
state
is
very
helpful,
like
you
said,
senator
carroll,
but
just
alone
in
northern
kentucky
having
you
know
so
many
cities
that
have
different
you
know,
rules
or
regulations
on
their
zoning
is
complex,
and
so
that's
just
been
a
barrier
and
if
you're
not
aware
that
what
city
you're
in
even
to
begin
with,
when
you're
in
the
county
and
those
things
so
just
knowing
right
now,
the
biggest
barrier
is
the
fee.
J
You
know
when
you're
starting
and
you
know
struggling
to
be
an
entrepreneur
and
you
can
look
at
having
a
500
fee
versus
a
25
fee
or
some
you
can
just
walk
in
and
pay
the
fee.
If
there
is
a
fee,
some
others,
you
have
to
schedule
a
time
to
come
out
and
look
at
the
property,
and
you
know
do
some
different
things.
So
just
aligning
those
systems
with
that
common
language
would
be
very
helpful.
L
And
for
us
in
louisville,
it
was
really
about
the
the
zoning.
Isn't
too
much
of
a
challenge
for
the
small
family
child
care
home.
The
challenge
was
with
if
the
certified
family
child
care
home,
wanted
to
become
that
type
2
to
be
able
to
serve
up
to
12,
and
we
had
metro
rules
that
limited
that.
So,
even
though
the
state
said
that's
how
many
children
you
could
serve,
that
was
not
even
an
option.
L
Now
we
can
at
least
go
through
an
an
approval
process
to
get
a
conditional
use
permit
for
those
folks
that
want
to-
and
we
have
two
folks
that
are
going
through
the
process
right
now.
Thanks
to
those
changes.
A
Can
can
you
all
talk
any
about
the
and
I
don't
you
don't
have
to
get
any
specifics,
but
as
far
as
revenue
for
the
families
that
open
up
this
type
of
facility
open
their
homes
up,
is
it
a
as
far
as
a
revenue
stream
for
for
that
family?
Can
you
ballpark
what
if
what
a
family
could
expect
to
to
generate
in
revenue
for
a
year
with
you
know
if
they
were
at
full
capacity
for
the
different
levels.
J
I
can
give
examples
of
what
the
reimbursement
rate
is
for
a
certified
provider,
so
in
boone
county
for
a
certified
that
cares
for
infants
or
toddlers
they
receive
a
36
dollars
a
day
and
then,
if
they
are
a
type
or
for
preschool
they
get
30.
Let
me
look
at
my
notes.
I
don't
want
to
quote
the
wrong.
J
So
they
get
34
dollars
a
day
in
boone
county.
Then
you
look
at
pendleton
county.
They
get
28
reimbursement
for
infant
and
toddler
and
preschoolers
so,
depending
on
that
revenue
and
then
there's
additional
resources.
So
if
they
look
at
being
part
of
the
child
assistant
food
program,
that's
revenue
that
they're
getting
back
for
meals
and
just
other
resources
through
the
network
that,
if
they
tap
into
those
resources,
adds
to
that
revenue.
L
So
a
lot
of
times,
if
you
have
you,
know
an
aunt
and
there's
several
nieces
and
nephews
a
lot,
especially
if
those
kids
are
on
the
child
care
assistance
program,
then
they
can
actually
serve
a
little
bit
more
than
those
six
because
they're
related
and
then
it
starts
to
be
able
to
be
a
little
bit
more
of
a
a
better
business
model.
L
A
Okay
and
dr
vanover
says
that
the
median
income
is
about
twenty
seven
thousand
five
hundred
hourly
ranges
from
five
fifty
to
twenty
two
dollars,
so
a
pretty
wide
range
there.
Okay,
francis
do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
any
of
the
comments.
Are
you
still
there.
A
H
H
I
got
my
associate's
degree
in
early
childhood
through
the
scholarships
that
the
state
provided
and
through
all
of
the
programs,
like
the
one
we're
talking
about
now,
the
ladies
there
they
they
help
boost
your
confidence
because
they
help
you,
along
with
questions
that
you
might
have,
and
so
that
has
helped
me
be
a
better
teacher.
I
consider
myself
a
preschool
teacher.
H
I
homeschooled
my
son
before
I
started
doing
this
and
then
I
started
the
in-home,
because
I
had
a
child
at
home
and
I
feel
like
I
have
raised
a
lot
of
the
kids
in
my
neighborhood
when
you
were
talking
about
the
zoning.
I
remember
having
to
go
through
that
and
I
didn't
have
any
problem,
but
I
did
have
to
prove
that
it
was
worth
them
approving
the
zoning,
but
I
I
just
feel
like
I
give
quality
care.
I
run
it
like
a
mom
teaching
their
children.
H
Basically,
we
have
a
routine
kids
are
much
better
with
a
routine
and
boundaries,
and
I
just
feel
like
the
people
that
I
have
given
child
care
to
really
appreciate
the
consistency,
the
communication
and,
if
I
get
them
young
enough,
they
stay
with
me
until
you
know
they
go
into
kindergarten.
H
I
do
assessments
with
them
and
they
rate
really
high
they're,
more
than
ready,
emotionally
academically
and-
and
I
have
created
a
bond
with
parents
and
with
the
children,
and
so
it's
like
raising
my
own,
but
I
just
didn't.
I
mean
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
allowing
the
family
child
care
providers
to
be
a
part
of
this
discussion.
H
A
We're
going
to
need
to
hurry
folks,
we
still
have
two
more
presenters
representative
raymond.
I
Yes,
thank
you
corey.
I
wanted
to
to
ask
you
to
touch
on
how
family
child
care
homes
can
be
especially
useful
for
not
just
rural
populations
but
special
populations,
so
in
louisville,
for
example,
our
spanish-speaking
kids,
70
of
them
stay
home
in
their
homes
until
they
show
up
to
kindergarten
and
our
kindergarten
readiness
rate
is
the
lowest
for
spanish-speaking
kids,
who
are
at
home.
So
I
I
see
this
as
an
incredible
opportunity
for
those
kids
and
for
entrepreneurship
amongst
spanish-speaking
women.
Would
you
speak
to
that.
L
Sure
I
would
be
happy
to
we
actually
worked
with
a
group
of
spanish-speaking
family
child
care,
home
providers.
It's
been
a
year
or
so
ago.
It
was
really
interesting
to
see
sort
of
how
they
came
together
and
the
way
that
the
the
hispanic
population
just
really
sort
of
came
together.
We
thought
that
they
were
going
to
be
asking
for
one
set
of
things
when
they
came
to
us
for
training
and
technical
assistance.
L
It
was
entirely
other
stuff
that
they
wanted,
but
I
really
felt
like
the
not
only
was
it
a
good
sort
of
entrepreneurial
option
for
those
women,
but
that
the
children
that
were
in
their
care
they
were
able
to.
Those
providers
were
working
to
get
additional
resources,
training,
etc
to
help
the
children
in
their
care,
and
it
was
really
passing
along
the
culture
that
was
super
important
to
them
like
meals
that
were,
you
know,
culturally
relevant.
L
I
Yeah,
thank
you
and
then
you
said,
nobody's
going
to
get
rich
doing.
This
27
000
is
far
from
stable,
so
I
wanted
to
ask
if
you
could
speak
to
or
who
could
speak
to
with
these
razor
thin
margins
in
family
child
care
homes
or
in
centers
you
know:
do
we
have
any
sense
of
how
many
providers
and
teachers
are
relying
on
medicaid
and
other
forms
of
public
assistance.
A
I
Yes
and
then
lastly,
real
quick
for
jody-
you
mentioned
that
the
population
of
kids
with
complex
medical
needs
is
increasing
every
year,
as
we
hear
from
you
and
every
form
of
provider
with
an
end
to
abortion
procedures
in
kentucky
looking
at
data
from
texas,
I
think
we're
looking
at
an
increase
of
five
percent
in
the
overall
birth
rate,
so
I
always
want
to
want
us
to
consider
we're
not
just
talking
about
the
kids
we've
got
now.
We
need
to
provide
for,
but
potentially
five
percent
more
starting
in
about
eight
months.
I
M
Originally,
there
was
in
place
that
you
had
to
be
working
or
going
to
school
to
get
coverage,
and
I
think
that
that
prevented
a
lot
of
moms
from
trying
to
even
start
the
process.
I
think
that
that
has
been
relaxed
and
it's
a
coverage
that
they
can
bring
their
child
once
they're
assessed,
and
then
they
can
go
out
and
find
a
job.
They
can
get
back
on
their
feet
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
tools
that
can
help
them
once
they
get
started.
A
Okay
and
senator
thomas,
I
want
to
ask
you:
please
hold
your
questions,
so
we
can
get
the
other
two
presenters
and
hopefully
we'll
have
time
at
the
end
to
catch
that
question,
michelle
rushing
and
rachel
worth.
Could
you
all
please
come
forward
these
two
ladies
drove
all
the
way
from
mccracken
county
today,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
heard
their
perspective
as
faith-based
providers.
A
As
you
all
know,
it's
a
critical
provider
type
throughout
the
commonwealth
and
we
were
interested
in
learning
about
the
challenges
that
they
face.
Ladies,
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
you
have
the
floor.
N
N
And
I
know
when
we
had
spoken
to
you,
we
kind
of
had
discussed
just
kind
of
going
in
it
together.
Is
that
still,
okay
or
okay
awesome?
So,
like
I
said,
my
name
is
rachel.
I
am
the
director
of
sec
preschool.
We
are
church-affiliated,
so
our
preschool
is
centered
within
first
christian
church.
It
is
the
disciples
of
christ
denomination
and
we
are
very
lucky
to
be
within
those
spaces.
Every
single
day
we
operate
10
months
out
of
the
year.
We
are
closed
during
june
and
july.
N
We
also
follow
the
school
calendars
a
lot
and
that
we
honor
those
breaks
and
stuff
as
well,
because
we
do
serve
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
who
our
staff
have
kids
of
their
own,
that
they
have
kids
in
in
in
the
school
system.
So
they
like
to
be
off
on
breaks
with
that,
and
then
it's
just
an
easier
model
for
us
to
follow
in
that
and
our
congregation
as
a
whole
at
fcc
has
about
a
hundred
members
with
it
that
are
active
and
then
us.
C
We
operate
inside
of
mount
zion
baptist
church.
We
are
a
year-round
program,
so
we
go
the
only
days.
We're
closed
are
for
major
holidays.
We
have
currently
126
enrolled.
I
have
20
teachers,
that's
also
including
myself,
we're
sorry.
We
don't
have
a
powerpoint
presentation
for
you
today.
I
think
her
and
I
are
probably
the
prime
example
of
directors
that
end
up
in
classrooms
due
to
being
short-staffed.
C
Has
helped
us
and
how
we're
going
to
look
when
it
goes
away.
One
of
the
main
things
is
how
it
helped
us
was
that
we
we
actually
had
a
summer
program
this
year.
It
was
our
largest
one.
This
is
our
third
year
with
it.
We
start
with
just
like
10
kids,
we
moved
up
to
20.
our
largest
one
was
37
kids
this
summer.
C
That's
the
sustainability
program,
helped
us
hire
more
staff
in
order
to
accommodate
more
children,
and,
of
course,
we
are
also
trying
to
go
for
a
five
star.
We
are
three
star
currently
and
with
that
we
need
to
have
more
staff
to
just
sustain
that
quality
program.
N
Yeah-
and
you
know,
and
going
off
of
that,
you
know
every
parent
wants
the
best
for
their
child.
You
know
we
are
private,
based
tuition
service,
so
you
know
we
accept
anyone
who
you
know
can
pay
our
applicable
rates
for
that.
We
are
involved
in
ccap,
but
we
do
not
currently
have
any
children
who
are
on
that
program.
N
So
all
of
our
families
that
we
serve
do
pay
tuition
weekly
to
us
for
the
weeks
of
care
that
we
give
them-
and
you
know
any
parent
wants
qual
the
most
the
at
most
quality
child
care
that
they
get
for
their
child
and
when
they
pay
the
tuition,
they
can
be
selective
in
that
they
can
choose
who
they
want
to
send
their
child
to,
and
we
are
known
in
our
community
as
being
preschool.
You
know
not
so
much
a
day
care.
We
are
actively
engaging
with
those
children.
N
From
start
to
finish
of
our
day,
we
are
open
from
7
30
a.m,
to
5,
30
p.m.
With
offering
morning
care
and
pm
care,
and
the
bulk
of
our
learning
happens
between
9
and
2
30.,
and
so
parents
want
the
best
for
their
children
and
as
such,
they
need
teachers
who
have
the
education
to
back
up
good
quality
child
care.
N
When
you
have
somebody
who
has
gone
all
through
college,
or
I
even
have
some
teachers
who
have
master's
degrees
and
they
come
into
my
facility-
and
I
have
base
wages
of
anywhere
from
12
and
13,
you
have
to
be
able
to
pay
for
quality
education.
Have
the
funds
available
to
back
up
getting
a
quality
teacher?
Sometimes
I
mean
I
have
lost
many
people.
I've
brought
them
in
for
an
interview
and
they
check
all
the
boxes
and
they're
wonderful
and
they
have
the
credentials
and
and
the
degrees.
N
And
then
you
share
with
them
the
pay
and
they're
like.
Oh
because,
in
addition
to
that,
you
cannot
we
we,
unfortunately
do
not
offer
benefits,
we
don't
have
retirement
or
health
insurance
or
anything,
that's
all
at
a
cost
to
them
as
well,
and
I
think
everyone
can
agree
that
with
inflation
and
just
everything,
everything
is
more
expensive
as
time
goes
on,
and
we
have
been
very
lucky
that
we
have
not
raised
our
tuition
rates
in
five
years.
But
that's
something
with
having
to
maintain.
N
You
know
our
arpa
funding,
which
has
been
really
helpful,
but
it's
like.
Where
do
we?
Where
are
we
at
whenever
it
ends?
Where
are
we
at
in
2023,
when
I've
raised
my
right
to
my
teachers
and
yeah?
It's
helped
a
little
bit,
but
it's
still
not
the
most
ideal,
and
I
do
have
a
wonderful
grouping
of
very
passionate
people
who
they
are
there
because
they
love
it.
I
personally,
I
started
this
facility
seven
years
ago
and
I
started
as
a
as
a
teaching
assistant.
I
got
my
own
classroom.
N
I
know
I
was
my
own
teacher
for
five
years
and
then
going
into
my
sixth
year,
I'm
now
the
director,
so
I've
seen
every
single
sector
of
it
and
it's
one
of
those
things
you.
You
need
to
have
the
funds
available
to
pay
them
for
the
quality
that
you're
giving
to
your
families,
and
the
funding
has
been
really
helpful.
But
again
once
it
runs
out
you're
going
to
have
to
raise
tuition
rates.
I
have
about
99
retention
rate.
N
My
family
says
someone
else
said
you
know
you
get
them
if
you
can
get
them
at
the
18
month
level,
which
is
what
we
begin
serving
they're
going
to
stick
with
you
if
they
have
if
they
enjoy
your
program
and
you're,
offering
a
quality
programming
and
so
from
year
to
year
they
stay
with
us,
and
so
we
have
a
very
limited
openings
to
the
public
whenever
we
do
go
live
because
those
people
stay
with
your
programs,
because
they
like
the
quality
that
you're
here.
N
But
when
those
teachers,
you
can't
retain
them
based
off
of
pay
they're
losing
those
people
that
they
know
and
they
that
their
siblings
had
child
care
through
and
all
that
and
and
it's
just
hard
to
to
maintain
quality
teachers
and
have
a
successful
program
when
you're
paying
little
to
nothing
for
them
and
the
work
that
they've
done.
I
personally
also
have
a
utilized
the
educational
opportunities,
I've
gotten
my
cda.
N
I
got
my
director's
credential
and
then
I
also
got
my
associates
and
I'm
currently
continuing
on
all
through
the
state
and
that
those
funds
were
raised
recently
to
where
I
am
able
to
go
back
for
my
bachelor's,
because
now
it's
covered
even
more
and
it's
one
of
those
things
you
need
to
back
up
the
quality
that
you
can
receive
and.
C
Bouncing
off
of
what
she
said
like
she
said:
our
parents
come
with
us,
usually
as
babies,
their
child,
their
children,
our
babies
and
they
stay
with
us
all
through
preschool
and
with
that
being
said,
I've
partnered
with
mccracken
county
preschool
we're
in
the
process
of
hopefully
getting
the
preschool
partnership
grant.
We
haven't
heard
if
that's
going
to
carry
over
for
the
next
school
year,
we're
hoping
it
does.
C
But
with
that
being
said,
those
families
rely
on
us
to
still
provide
them
that
quality
care
that
they
deserve
and
that
they
want
for
their
child
our
waiting
list
right
now
I
have
a
year
and
a
half
wait
for
infant
toddlers
and
six
months
to
a
year
for
preschool,
and
these
families
know
that
they
might
possibly
be
able
to
get
into
the
school
preschool,
possibly
but
the
majority
of
our
families.
I
feel
like
same
with
her.
C
N
N
We
have
a
very
large
basement
space
that
has
tons
of
sunday
school
classrooms
in
it,
but
it's
in
a
basement,
and
so
it
can't
be
licensed
because
there's
no
probable
exits
that
they
can
exit
for
them
safely,
and
so
I'm
strapped
on
that.
You
know
I.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
because,
like
I
said,
we
accept
18
months
is
what
we
start
at,
how
many
people
was
like.
Well,
I
would
love
to
enroll
my
five-year-old,
but
I
also
have
an
infant
and
people
want
their
kids
together.
N
They
want
their
kids
to
go
to
the
same
place
they
like.
Whenever
you
can
one
stop
shop.
You
know,
and
you
know
we
have
to
sometimes
we'll
accept
one
and
have
to
deny
the
other
or
they'll
all
together,
not
want
to
send
their
child
here,
because
they
can't
be
there
together
and
so
being
in
a
faith-based
organization,
you're
strapped
for
space.
You
know
if
the
funds
are
available,
it
could
be
brought
up
to
expand
the
church
as
a
whole.
N
That
could
expand
me
as
a
whole
to
be
able
to
offer
more
classes
because
there's
an
a
dire
need
for
it
in
our
area
and
for
us
personally,
only
two
percent
of
our
students
that
we
serve
actually
even
attend
church
at
our
fcc,
and
I
think
that
speaks
volumes
to
the
fact
that
there's
such
a
large
need
for
child
care
that
people,
if
it's
a
good
program,
they're
they're,
going
to
want
to
get
into
it
and
be
able
to
utilize
it.
N
But
it's
with
us
like
I
said
I
could
accept
10
more
children,
but
I
don't
have
the
space
for
them.
I
don't
have
the
classroom
applicable
for
them
to
be
able
to
utilize.
Also
for
me,
which
is
a
little
bit
different
for
theirs.
I
do
not
have.
I
do
not
for
food
service,
so
my
children
do
pack
their
lunches
and
they
have
to
bring
them
in
it's
one
of
the
biggest
complaints
amongst
my
families
that
especially
come
may
they're
like
I
don't
know
what
to
pack
my
child
anymore.
N
You
know
it's
hard
enough
for
us
as
adults
to
pack
our
food
every
day,
but
for
children,
especially
to
meet
those
state
requirements
that
we
have
to
as
well.
It
would
be
so
much
easier
if
I
could
offer
a
food
program,
but
because
again
the
church
was
built
in
the
70s,
the
kitchen
that
we
have
is
nice
and
big,
but
it
doesn't
meet
the
abilities
to
be
licensed
by
the
state.
N
N
But
then
it's
like,
if
I
had
the
funding
it,
could
pay
off
for
me
in
the
long
run,
to
be
able
to
offer
that
because
I
could,
you
know,
raise
my
tuition
in
a
way
that
you
know
well
now
you're
getting
food
in
it
and
it's
not
where
yeah
you're
paying
this
tuition,
but
you
also
have
to
provide
x,
y
and
z
as
well,
which
I
know
yours
is
a
little
different
because
you
do
offer
food.
We
do
offer.
C
We
do
have
the
federal
food
program
which
does
help
us
tremendously,
but
also
with
that,
like
I
said,
we
have
this
enormous
wait
list
of
people
which
were
honored
that
we
have
become
known
as
that
kind
of
quality
child
care
that
people
want
to
their
child
to
attend.
C
N
Yeah-
and
you
know,
thank
you
guys
so
much
you
know
for
inviting
us
here
today
and
letting
us
be
heard.
You
know
in
this
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
smaller
organizations
and
especially
faith-based
ones,
they're
they're
overlooked,
sometimes,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
movement
forward
and
especially
with
the
changing
and
funding
and
stuff
to
come
in
2023
that
that
we
do
feel
hired
now
and
acknowledged,
and
that
good
things
are
to
hopefully
come.
A
I
think
the
face
based
centers
are
a
huge
part
of
the
solution
in
the
future
senator
schroeder.
Do
you
have
a
question?
Okay,
just
just
yeah
just
quickly.
I
wanted
to
ask.
I
forgot
what
I
wanted
to
ask.
Oh,
I
know
I
was
gonna
say
as
far
as
waiting
lists.
I
expect
any
day
to
get
a
call
from
a
lady
saying
I
just
got
engaged
last
night.
Can
I
go
ahead
and
reserve
a
slot.
N
Yeah
I
mean,
and
based
on
that
I
mean
they
tell
you,
which
I
personally
don't
have
children
and
are
planning
to
have
a
child
at
the
time.
But
people
will
tell
you
that
even
before,
if
you're,
if
you
just
got
married
even
before
you
know
when
your
baby's
gonna
be
due
before
they
even
even
popped
out,
get
on
a
wait
list,
because
they're
so
long
and
for
me
personally
actually
because,
like
I
said,
we
don't
accept
younger
children,
my
assistant
director,
her
child
she's,
six
weeks.
N
She
actually
goes
to
her
center
and
her
older
child
goes
to
our
center,
but
her
youngest
one.
She
has
to
split
it
up,
and
so
one
of
them's
going
there
and
again
that
just
states
too
again,
I'm
strapped
on
my
space
and
capabilities
there.
But
they
do.
N
They
tell
you
before
you
know
you
even
have
that
child
to
go
ahead
and
put
them
on
a
wait
list,
because
there's
such
a
large
need,
and
especially
more
so
in
western
kentucky,
where
we
are
the
the
child
care
options
are
limited
and
a
lot
of
them
are
closing
because
they
don't
have
the
funding
or
they
can't.
You
know,
keep
the
doors
open
or
get
the
staff
to
keep
the
doors
open.
A
Do
do
the
churches
sub,
provide
supplemental
funding
and-
and
dr
van
over,
if
you
want
to
add
to
this
too,
with
some
of
the
other
churches?
Is
that
common,
or
are
these
programs
pretty
much
independent
of
the
church's.
N
Us
as
well
yeah,
we
we
fund
our
salaries
and
and
all
of
our
bills
by
the
tuition
that
we
bring
in
yes,
okay,
okay,.
E
E
Other
programs
are
created
because
there
is
an
empty
space
in
a
lot
of
buildings
monday
through
friday,
and
they
may
pay
some
rent
to
the
church
or
or
they
they
may
not
charge
rent,
but
it
may
be
a
different
entity,
and
so
those
are
the
two
models
that
we
usually
see.
The
ones
that
are
run
by
the
church
usually
they're,
also
more
financially
stable,
because
the
church
does
not
charge
them
rent
or
utilities
they're
already
paying
that,
and
so
they
they
don't
charge
the
child
care
program
itself.
E
B
Two
or
three
minutes
no,
mr
chair,
you're,
right
time
is
of
the
essence.
I
I
do
want
to
speak
with
miss
gadansky
on
my
way
to
the
capitol
and
you-
and
I
I
have
a
question
for
you,
but
you
and
I
can
talk
outside
the
committee.
Okay,.
A
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
today.
It
seems
this
task
force
is
gaining
momentum
and
the
more
people
I
meet
within
this
industry.
The
more
I'm
impressed,
I
am
with
the
passion
and
the
commitment
to
making
this
work
and
with
the
expertise
that
we
have
within
this
commonwealth.
A
But
I
can't
thank
you
all
enough
for
your
passion
and
being
involved
in
this
task
force
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
further
meetings.
We
have
a
lot
of
topics
yet
to
cover
probably
one
of
the
most
interesting
ones
that
I've
heard
about
is
the
possibility
of
a
cabinet
for
children
within
the
commonwealth,
not
as
part
of
the
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services,
but
a
cabinet
for
children.
Several
states
are
doing
that
dr
van
over
we've
spoken
about
that.
We
hope
to
have
a
presentation
on
that
in
the
near
future
in
one
of
these
meetings.