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A
System
and
provides
recommendations
to
the
general
assembly.
The
council
shall
actively
review
the
implementation
of
all
Juvenile
Justice
reforms
enacted
by
the
general
assembly,
collect
and
review
performance
measurement
data
and
continue
to
review
the
juvenile
justice
system
for
changes
that
improve
Public
Safety,
hold
youth
accountable,
provide
better
outcomes
for
children
and
families
and
control
Juvenile
Justice
costs.
A
There
is
an
item
in
your
folder
that
the
AOC
or
those
two
items
I'm
sorry,
that
the
AOC
asks
that
we
distribute
related
to
House,
Bill,
3
and
and
then
a
report
as
well,
so
those
will
be
distributed
during
our
meeting
if
they
haven't
been
already
so
going
back
to
the
agenda,
we
have
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
updates
and
commissioner
Vicki
Reed
who's.
Also
a
member
and
secretary
Kerry
Harvey
you're
here
and.
B
A
C
Well,
I
think,
just
as
a
preparatory
remark
for
many
of
you,
the
ground
we'll
cover
today
will
be
old
news.
A
lot
of
this
will
be
information
you've
heard
before,
but
we'll
start,
commissioner
Reed
we'll
just
give
you
an
overview
of
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
the
facilities
it
operates.
The.
C
That
it
serves
and
then
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
changes
and
improvements
we've
made
over
probably
the
last
eight
10
or
12
months,
and
much
of
that
dovetails
with
House
Bill
3
in
Senate,
Bill,
162
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
provide,
hopefully
a
useful
update
about
where
we
stand,
with
implementation
of
not
only
the
governor's
plan
but
but
those
important
pieces
of
legislation.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
a
commissioner
Reed
and.
D
I
do
promise
to
keep
it
quick,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
you
all
are
pretty
familiar,
but
sometimes
it's
good
to
touch
base
and
do
a
little
bit
of
of
reminding
so
we
operate
29
facilities
across
Kentucky.
We
have
eight
secure
juvenile
detention
centers,
mostly
mostly
creative
youth
awaiting
trial,
seven
Youth,
Development
Centers
and
the
numbers
you
see
are
as
of
523,
so
we
updated
from
the
last
time
there.
Eight
group
homes
and
five
DJJ
operated
day
treatment,
centers
and
we're
really
known
for
our
Statewide
system.
D
D
That
is
1247
unduplicated
kids,
that
we
served
in
day
treatment
in
the
year
before
the
numbers
for
this
year
will
come
out
at
the
end
of
the
school
year,
and
we
expect
that
number
to
rise
significantly,
because
some
of
this
was
still
virtual
and
other
things
going
on.
With
the
pandemic,
so
we'll
have
a
higher
number
of
of
Youth
that
were
in
our
date,
treatment
centers.
We
also
had
268,
kids
and
Alternatives
at
attention
and
I
think
you've
heard
me
say
before
it's
something
I'm
very
proud
of.
D
There
is
no
other
state
in
the
nation
that
operates
the
Continuum
that
we
do
for
for
kids,
foster
care,
emergency,
shelter,
mentoring,
home
incarceration,
electronic
monitoring,
wrap
around
in-home
services
and
I.
Think
that's
something
important
to
realize
too.
In
addition
to
the
other
things
we
do,
we
do
a
lot
of
prevention
and
early
intervention
work.
We
also
distribute
grants
to
local
communities,
one
other
part
of
us.
Maybe
you
don't
hear
too
much
about
is
interstate
compact.
We
have
one
of
the
most
active
ones,
we're
bordered
by
seven
states.
D
Last
year
we
returned
more
runaways
than
any
other
state
in
the
nation.
We
supervise
youth
that
are
coming
in
from
other
states
and
make
sure
that
we
return
them
I.
Think
last
year
we
returned
I,
think
147
I
think
it
was
to
other
youth.
So
that's
another
division
that
you
don't
you
don't
hear
too
much
about
Juvenile
Justice
is
always
evolving.
I've
been
doing
this
work
for
many
many
years
and
I've
seen
you
know
the
the
ebb
and
flow
of
things.
D
Certainly,
we
still
have
some
low-level
kids.
We
still
get
status
offenders
in
our
facility,
but
over
the
past
decade
our
population
has
really
changed.
I.
Think
a
lot
of
that
you
can
see.
Some
of
the
numbers
on
here
was
driven
in
part
by
Senate
Bill
200's
implementation,
which
is
what
it
set
out
to
do,
and
I
would
be
remiss
if
not
do
a
shout
out
and
credit
to
our
friends
at
AOC,
with
the
court
designated
worker
and
the
great
diversion
programs
that
they
operate
across
the
state
and
I.
D
Don't
think
any
other
state
in
the
nation
does
what
our
court
doesn't
need.
A
worker
program
does
too
so
that
helps
also
in
keeping
the
the
numbers
and
so
forth.
Oops
went
too
far
in
check.
Oh
probably
skipped
one,
so
our
total
felonies
increased
from
42.9
in
2012
to
72
percent.
In
2023,
our
capital
offenses
went
from
22.8
to
37.9
and
our
non-felonies
decreased
from
57.1
to
28.
So
that's
a
that's.
It's
a
substantial
reduction
and
that's
that's
how
it
should
be.
D
We
need
to
save
our
detention
beds,
our
most
expensive
beds
and
and
the
most
needed
for
kids,
who
truly
really
need
to
be
there.
So
that's
where
we
are
with
that
so
I'm
going
to
stop
at
this
point.
C
C
There
are
a
number
of
factors
that
have
exacerbated
those
issues.
We've
tried
to
address
the
primary
causative
agents
of
of
the
issues
that
we've
encountered
and
I'll
tell
you
how
we've
done
that
again,
it
dovetails
with
much
of
the
legislation
that
was
passed
in
the
most
recent
session
of
the
general
assembly
and
we
very
much
appreciated
what
I
think
was
a
good
collaborative
dialogue
with
the
senator
Carroll
and
representative
bratcher
and
other
leaders.
So
on
that
effort
and
I
think
we've
ended
up
with
certainly
significant
legislative
improvements.
C
The
overarching
difficulty
I
think
that
has
existed
in
the
detention
centers
not
over
the
last
year,
but
over
the
last
many
years,
and
it
was
identified
publicly,
as
certainly
as
early
as
2017
was
the
inability
to
recruit
and
retain
a
sufficient
staff
for
these
facilities
and
I.
Think
we
could
all
agree
that
if
we
don't
properly
staff
these
facilities,
the
rest
of
your
plan
just
really
doesn't
matter
very
much,
because
it's
not
going
to
work.
If
you
don't
have
the
right
people
and
and
the
right
numbers
of
people.
C
It
comes
down
not
exclusively
but
largely
to
an
issue
of
compensation
has
recently
has
two
years
ago
the
starting
pay
for
a
front
line
worker
in
a
Juvenile
Detention
Facility
was
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
I
mean
we
all
know
you're
not
going
to
hire
people
to
do
those
jobs
at
that
level
of
compensation.
C
So
that
was
a
problem
that
we
started
to
attack
at
least
early
on
in
in
my
tenure
at
the
cabinet,
in
December
of
2021
Governor
Bashir
announced
that
we
would
provide
10
percent
raises
for
all
security
positions
at
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice.
C
Again,
we
did
not
see
a
great
uptick
and
interest
in
these
jobs
from
that.
So,
as
we
entered
into
October
of
2022,
we
realized
that
we
still
had
a
very
critical
Staffing
shortage.
We
had
I,
think
of
maybe
about
60
of
these
jobs
were
vacants
across
our
eight
facilities,
and
so
we
cobbled
together
through
some
reprogramming
some
funds
in
the
department.
C
Some
additional
raises,
largely
in
the
that
that
took
the
form
of
premium
pay
for
shift,
premiums
and
and
locality
differentials
so
that
we
could
attack
the
greatest
areas
of
need,
and
in
the
after
we
did
those
October
races.
We
started
to
see
some
modest
Improvement.
C
It
was
not
great,
but
I
think
we
saw
some
modest
Improvement
and
then,
in
February
of
of
this
year,
Governor
Brashear
race,
the
starting
salaries
for
these
Frontline
workers,
Corrections
Officers
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
the
general
assembly
of
appropriated
sufficient
funds
to
make
that
those
salary
include
increases
permanent,
which
we
appreciate
very
much
and
also
appropriated
money
to
provide
similar
increases
for
Department
of
Corrections
correctional
officers,
which
is
very
necessary.
These
shortages
don't
just
exist
in
DJJ.
C
There
are
also
critical
Staffing
shortages
in
in
Doc
and
and
of
course,
these
are
essential,
essential
jobs
to
Public
Safety.
So
two
years
ago,
the
starting
pay
at
DJJ
detention
centers
for
correctional
officers,
was
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
Today,
it's
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
are
seeing
positive
returns
for
that
investment.
C
As
you
can
see
from
the
slide
in
on
January
1st,
we
had
313
correctional
officers
that
has
now
increased
to
349
and
in
in
some
ways
the
news
is
really
better
than
that,
because
we
not
only
have
that
increase
in
hired
staff.
C
We
actually
have
applications
in
the
pipeline
now
and
that's
something
that
we
just
did
not
see
before
we
had
experiences,
often
where
we
would
put
out
registers
and
have
zero
zero
applicants
for
these
jobs,
and
now
at
every
location
we
do
have
a
number
of
applicants
and
and
many
of
our
locations
the
interest
is
quite
High.
We
continue
to
have
trouble
with
Staffing
in
Campbell
County
in
Northern
Kentucky,
which
is
not
surprising.
Given
the
economic
circumstances.
C
We
have
seen
Improvement
and
that
has
been
enormously
helpful
now
we're
not
where
we
need
to
be,
and
one
of
the
things
that,
of
course
we're
we're
going
to
struggle
with
for
a
while
is
even
though
we
have
more
staff.
We
have
a
very
inexperienced
staff,
because
in
in
going
back
for
many
years
and
again,
this
was
identified
at
least
as
early
as
2017.
The
the
turnover
in
these
jobs
was
just
tremendous,
but
I
think
that
we're
we're
on
the
right
track.
C
As
we
went
through
this
process,
we
also
conducted
kind
of
a
ground-up
review
of
what
we
thought
we
needed
I
mean
these
facilities
sort
of
had
on
paper,
a
certain
Staffing
complement
for
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
where
that
came
from
you
know.
There
are
prio
ratios,
there
are
other.
There
are
other
ratios
that
may
may
have
been
borrowed
from,
but
what
we,
what
we
did
is
we
went
out
and
asked
the
people
who
are
running
these
facilities.
C
How
many
people
do
you
need
to
run
a
safe
and
secure
facility,
and,
based
on
that,
we
requested
additional
funding
to
hire
more
detention
staff
and
thankfully,
the
general
assembly
appropriated
that
funding.
So
we
think
the
the
Staffing,
the
future
of
Staffing
sure
looks
a
lot
better
than
it
did
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
again,
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
having
a
well-trained
well-equipped
staff
is
fundamental
to
anything
else.
You
do,
we
can
talk
about
programming,
we
can
talk
about
treatment.
C
C
The
the
sensitivity
to
relative.
What
might
seem
like
relatively
small
changes
in
Staffing
is
very
acute,
so
adding
two
or
three
people
in
a
facility
that
are
already
trained
that
have
some
experience.
That
can
make
quite
a
positive
difference.
So
so
we
appreciate
that
opportunity
moving
beyond
Staffing.
C
We
also
over
the
last
10
12
months,
have
done
a
lot
of
work
in
revamping
security
policies,
security
protocols,
just
how
we
do
business
Governor
bashir's
directive
in
December
of
2022.
For
the
first
time
we
separated
males
from
females,
and
we
created
an
all-female
facility
in
Campbell
County
and
in
January
of
2023.
C
We
separated
male
juveniles
by
security
level.
Juveniles
that
were
charged
with
the
class
C,
felony
or
above
were
put
in
what
we
called
high
security
facilities,
which
currently
is
Adair,
County,
Fayette,
County
and
Warren
County,
and
the
lower
level
offenders
by
allegation
are
in
the
lower
level
classification
facilities.
C
So
that
is
no
longer
the
case
now
the
system
that
prevailed
in
Kentucky
for
all
those
years
as
I
understand
it
is
actually
how
Most
states
in
the
country
do
it.
It
doesn't
make
it
good
or
bad,
but
it
it
is
how
it
was
always
done
in
Kentucky,
I
think
that
changing
times
and
the
changing
population
dictated
that
we
change
our
system,
which,
in
point
of
fact,
had
not
been
changed
very
much
since
it
was
created
some
25
years
ago.
C
We
also
made
other
changes,
and
again
this
was
at
the
recognition
that
the
population
we
were
detaining
were
simply
more
aggressive
than
had
once
been
the
case.
Commissioner
Reed
provided
some
data
to
support
that
you
know.
I
looked
at
the
numbers
this
morning,
I
think
we
have
23
or
24
juveniles
in
detention
today
who
are
charged
with
murder,
which
to
me
is
shocking.
C
We
have
probably
another
30
40
50
who
are
charged
with
other
class
A
or
Class
B
felonies
when
I
was
a
county
attorney
back
30
years
ago
or
whenever
it
was.
We
just
didn't
see
that
and
as
I
talked
with
Law
Enforcement
Officers
across
the
state,
I'm
told
uniformly
that
the
the
population
in
juveniles
today
is
just
different
and
I'm
sure
there's
a
lot
of
sociological
reasons
for
that
that
I
probably
wouldn't
understand,
but
it's
something
that
we
have
to
deal
with
in
a
realistic
way.
C
So
we
we've
made
a
few
changes
that
I
think
have
have
been
helpful
in
December
of
2022,
we
decided
that
we
would
deploy
for
the
first
time
non-lethal
defensive
equipment
to
our
staff.
What
that
means
in
sort
of
plain
talk
is
pepper
spray,
tasers
Shields,
now
the
the
pepper
spray
and-
and
this
was
also
then
embedded
into
Senate
Bill
162.
So
it
is
now
a
legislative
mandate
in
terms
of
the
way
the
OC
spray
is
used.
All
of
our
Corrections
Officers
are
trained
in
its
use
and
they
carry
it
with
them.
C
The
tasers
are
kept
locked
in
a
in
a
vault
of
some
sort.
People
don't
are
not
walking
around
with
tasers
on
their
hips,
but
the
tasers
are
there
in
the
event
that
there
is
a
substantial
disturbance
that
requires.
That
requires
a
little
different
sort
of
equipment
and,
of
course,
the
shields
can
be
used
again
in
the
event
of
a
more
substantial
disturbance,
so
the
OC
spray
was
distributed
in
the
facilities
beginning
in
February
of
2023.
C
At
this
point,
all
of
our
detention
centers
have
been
trained
and
certified.
We
want
to
thank
the
Department
of
Corrections
for
providing
that
training.
The
Department
of
Corrections
has
been
a
fabulous
partner
and
all
of
this,
as
they
have
provided
expertise
to
to
help
us
bring
these
matters
along.
C
We
also
relied
on
the
Department
of
Corrections
in
beginning
in
December
of
last
year
to
train
our
detention
staff
and
Youth
Development
staff
concerning
security
threat
groups,
which
gets
unfortunately
now
that
is
a
very
important
thing
in
detention
centers.
It
has
long
been
important
in
Adult
Correctional
Facilities,
but
we
see
now
that
these
young
people
who
are
in
detention,
often
identify
with
certain
groups.
C
So
you
have
young
people
who
in
not
all
cases
but
in
many
cases,
are
accused
of
committing
very
serious
crimes,
very
serious
acts
of
violence
and
if
they're,
a
member
of
one
of
these
groups,
it's
more
likely
to
be
an
organized
act
of
violence,
which
means
it's
more
like
those
sort
of
activities
are
more
likely
to
continue
once
they're
in
a
Detention
Facility,
so
by
training
our
staff
to
be
able
to
identify
detainees
who
may
be
affiliated
with
these
groups.
C
That
will
help
us
to
get
in
front
of
some
of
these
problems
and
help
us
to
understand
that.
Maybe
this
juvenile
should
not
be
housed
with
this
juvenile.
Maybe
there
are.
There
are
rival
groups
that
you
have
to
you
have
to
account
for
and
if
you
don't
account
for
them,
you're
going
to
have
a
problem
so
that
we've
now
identified
a
security
threat
group
coordinator
in
every
facility,
and
the
hope
is
that
again,
this
will
help
us
to
prevent
some
of
the
problems
before
they
occur.
C
There
will
always
be
limitations
with
that
when
you're
operating
you
know
these
facilities
are
very
small,
so
the
degrees
of
separation
are
maybe
not
ideal,
but
still
having
that
knowledge
on
the
front
end
will
make
for
safer
facilities.
C
We
also
are
working
with
the
Department
of
Corrections
and
again
this
is
a
part
of
Senate
Bill
162
to
create
emergency
response
teams
for
each
of
these
detention,
centers
that
will
be
roughly
based
on
the
the
cert
teams
operated
by
Corrections.
It
won't
look
exactly
the
same,
of
course
in
a
Juvenile
Justice
Center,
because
they're
they're,
smaller
and
you're
dealing
with
juveniles,
but
still
we
will
have
a
Cadre
of
people
who
work
at
each
Facility.
Who
will
have
some
specialized
training
to
respond
in
the
event
that
there
is
really
a
a
substantial
disturbance.
C
That
is
more
than
say
one
juvenile,
simply
acting
out
and
again
in
conjunction
with
the
requirements
of
Senate
Bill
162.
Our
detention
centers
are
developing
memorandums
of
understanding
with
local
law
enforcement
so
that
we
are
better
coordinated
with
local
law
enforcement
than
we
have
in
than
in
the
past,
and
we
have
a
sort
of
a
joint
response
plan
with
local
law
enforcement.
C
We
also
determined
in
December
of
2022
that
we
wanted
to
enhance
the
professionalism
of
our
detention
center
staff.
One
way
to
do
that,
we
thought
was
to
require
uniforms
and
that
requirement
was
also
codified
by
Senate
Bill
162.
We
think
again
that
that
is
just
one
step
forward
and
having
a
more
professional
approach
to
this.
C
The
uniforms
now
have
been
ordered,
I,
think
all
of
the
facilities
have
received
their
first
shipments.
Like
anything
you
buy
these
days,
there
are
glitches
in
the
supply
chain,
but
the
the
uniforms
are
being
deployed
as
we
speak,
we're
also
addressing
training
and
again.
This
is
in
statute
and
was
also
a
part
of
our
plan.
There's
going
to
be
monthly
training
on
security
topics
for
our
staff
that
we
think
will
be
very
important
and
Senate.
C
Bill
162
also
requires
a
management
training
program
to
start
to
provide
a
foundation
for
the
next
generation
of
leadership
in
DJJ,
and
that
program
is
in
development.
In
addition
to
that,
in
addition
to
the
to
the
requirements
of
Senate
one
built
Senate
bill
162.,
we
are
going
to
do
a
really
a
complete
overhaul
of
our
training
for
Corrections
Officers
we're
going
to
come
in
and
do
a
needs,
analysis
and
sort
of
rebuild
it
from
the
ground
up.
We
may
find
that
there
won't
be
a
lot
that
will
need
to
be
changed.
C
We
may
find
that
we
need.
We
need
to
do
quite
a
bit
of
revamping,
but
the
idea
is
to
is
to
kind
of
take
it
down
to
the
foundation
and
go
in
and
do
a
considered
study
of
what
our
training
needs
to
accomplish
in
these
detention
facilities,
because
again,
the
times
are
are
different
now
than
when
this
system
was
devised.
20
years
ago,
oh.
C
At
at
our
request
and
and
Governor
Bashir
proposed
a
reorganization
of
the
department,
and
we
were
able
to
work
with
Senator
Carroll
to
have
that
embedded
in
Senate
Bill
162
that
we
think
will
be
a
move
forward,
particularly
for
the
detention
area,
and
we
think
we're
already
seeing
the
the
the
benefits
of
that,
and
essentially
the
reorganization
does
a
couple
of
things.
It's
it
splits
off
detention
into
its
own
office
so
that
the
detention
facilities
are
under
its
own
line
of
management.
C
C
They
don't
go
out
and
recruit
kids
for
detention.
We
we
have
to
take
whoever
the
court
orders
into
detention
and
that
oftentimes
includes,
as
as
I've
indicated.
Unfortunately,
some
juveniles
who
are
who
who
have
committed
some
grave
acts
of
violence
and
some
of
whom
are
committed
to
continuing
that
sort
of
conduct,
and
we
also
unfortunately
end
up
with
a
lot
of
kids
that
are
suffering
from
serious
mental
illness.
C
So
the
detention
centers
are
a
little
bit
different
than
the
post-adjudication
facilities,
and
this
reorganization
just
recognizes
that
we've
also
created
an
office
of
compliance,
a
compliance
office,
compliance
Division,
I
think
we're
already
seeing
the
fruits
of
that.
It
builds
upon
what
already
existed
in
in
the
department,
which
was
the
old
quality
assurance
division,
but
we've
enhanced
the
authorities
and
the
powers
of
the
compliance
division.
One
of
the
things
that
that
the
compliance,
Division
and
they've
started
doing
this
again.
We've
already
seen
the
benefits
of
it.
C
C
They
report
directly
to
the
commissioner
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
very
helpful
in
US,
identifying
problems
and
solving
problems
before
the
problems
are
manifested
into
something
that
is
is
really
impactful
and
significant
and
I
think
it
will
also
help
us
to
start
to
build
a
core
of
best
practices
in
these
facilities
that
we
can
migrate
from
one
facility
to
another.
C
Frankly,
I
think
one
of
the
problems
that
we've
had
in
the
past
is
is
the
facilities
were
sometimes
operating
too
much
is
isolated
Outpost
and
we
need
to
have
a
consistent
set
of
best
practices
that
are
adopted
throughout
the
system
in
in
terms
of
the
office
of
detention.
I
think
I've
spoken
with
many
of
you
before
about
Larry
Chandler,
who
we
hired
as
the
Director
of
security
for
the
Department
back
in
January
of
this
year.
Mr
Chandler
now
is
serving
as
the
deputy
director
of
The
Office
of
detention,
James,
sweat,
recently
started.
C
Has
the
executive
director
of
that
office
Mr
sweat
has
experience,
has
a
warden
of
Prisons
I
think
multiple
Kentucky
prisons,
and
he
also
has
experience
in
the
Department
of
Juvenile,
Justice,
Mr,
Chandler
I.
Think
it's
fair
to
say
is
is
really
sort
of
a
a
legendary
figure
in
in
Kentucky
corrections.
Many
of
this
generation
of
Corrections
leaders
were
trained
by
Mr
Chandler,
and
so
what
they
bring
to.
This
is
a
wealth
of
experience
in
how
to
run
safe
and
secure
facilities.
C
And
again
you
know
we
understand
that
juveniles
are
different,
but
I
I
would
just
not
back
up
one
inch
from
the
statement
that
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
good
for
these
juveniles
unless
we
start
from
a
basis
of
safe
and
secure
facilities.
If
you
don't
have
that,
you
don't
have
a
foundation
for
any
other
programming,
so
we
think
that
this
reorganization
will
move
us
forward
in
that
regard.
C
C
Has
we
started
trying
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
have
Arisen
we've
found
it
to
be
more
difficult
than
it
should
be
to
get
timely
and
accurate
information,
and,
as
we've
dug
into
that,
we've
realized
that
the
DJJ
data
systems
were
just
built
for
a
different
time.
It
could
not
capture
much
of
the
information
we
needed.
We
struggled
mightily
to
to
capture
historical
information,
which
is
important
because
you
need
to
be
able
to
identify
Trends,
that's
how
you
get
in
front
of
some
of
these
problems.
C
So
what
we
did
in
January
is
we
added
DJJ
to
the
contract
that
already
existed
for
the
Kentucky
offender
management
system
comms?
It's
called
that
the
Department
of
Corrections
uses
now
there's
a
a
module
that
the
software
provider
has
for
juvenile
operations,
the
com
systems,
at
least
on
the
correction
side,
which
is
is
tracking
what
probably
22
23
000
people
works
very
very
well.
So
this
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
process
of
implementing
the
system
to
be
fully
implemented.
C
It
will
take
a
year
or
so,
but
we're
already
developing
the
first
component
of
it,
and
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
this,
the
the
managers
of
the
department
will
have
access
to
much
more
data
to
historical
Trends,
to
more
detail,
tailed
data
about
the
the
juveniles
that
we're
keeping
and
more
timely
data
and
I
I'm.
A
a
believer
in
the
old
management
saw
that
that
you
can't
manage
what
you
can't
measure
and
if
you
don't
have
data
you
know
you're,
it
just
seems
to
me
you're,
always
behind
the
curve.
C
So
I
think
this
will
be
a
really
a
significant
enhancement.
This
also
was
a
a
requirement
of
Senate
Bill,
162
I,
believe
that
we
endorse
and
embrace
wholeheartedly
this.
This
will
be
a
big
step
forward
and
then
we're
also
making
improvements
to
our
facilities.
These
Juvenile
Detention
facilities
are
none
of
them
are
new.
C
Most
of
them
are
20
25,
30
years
old,
some
of
them
the
facility
in
Jefferson
County,
for
example,
was
not
ever
intended
to
be
a
Detention
Facility
and
the
fact
that
it
was
that
that
is
the
case
has
caused
us
not
insignificant
problems,
because
it
just
was
not
built
to
that
to
to
the
sort
of
specifications
you
need
in
a
juvenile
facility.
So
we
have
made
significant
improvements
already
at
that
facility.
Those
improvements
continue.
We've
made
significant
improvements
in
Warren
County
and
breathic
County.
C
We
also
asked
for
director
of
security,
Larry
Chandler,
to
visit
our
facilities
and,
at
this
point,
I
think
he's
visited
every
Detention
Facility
and
every
YDC,
and
it's
given
us
detailed
reports
on
what
improvements
he
believes
based
on
Decades
of
experience
should
be
made
in
our
physical
facilities.
We
were,
we
worked
I
think
very
well
with
the.
C
That
sounds
like
kind
of
a
simple
thing,
but
if
you
have
a
juvenile
who
is
extremely
aggressive
and
we've
have,
sadly
we
have
some
of
those
that
will
tell
you
and
that
have
told
us
that
when
you
open
that
door
I'm
going
to
attack
you
and
they
keep
their
promise
some
of
them.
So
if
you
have
a
slotted
door,
you
can
often
avoid
a
confrontation,
because
maybe
you
don't
have
to
open
the
door.
D
Yes
and
before
I
do
that
if
I
did
not
mention
that,
when
I
was
giving
our
numbers
before
I
left
out,
our
community
staff
and
I
think
they
might
come.
Get
me
if
I
didn't
mention
that
that
we
also
serve
712
kids,
that
are
on
probation
or
what
you
would
call
parole,
status
and
predisposition
reports
and
other
things
that
we
do
in
the
community.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
cover
that,
and
we
we.
When
we
talk
about
mental
health,
it's
it's
across
our
system.
We,
our
community
kids,
that
I
just
mentioned.
D
We
work
on
that
with
them,
with
our
Youth
Development
Centers,
with
our
group
homes
with
our
day
treatments
and
with
detention
centers
as
well.
Senate
Bill
162
requires
us
to
enter
into
contracts,
to
attempt
to
assure
that
we
have
the
availability
of
institutional
treatment
for
youth
with
severe
mental
illness.
We're
also
required
and
want
to
provide
youth
in
crisis
and
a
DJJ
facility
access
to
the
mental
health
professionals
that
they
need.
D
The
other
thing
that
the
bill
includes
that
we're
excited
about
is
1.5,
have
Megan
for
us
to
have
a
diversionary
program,
to
identify
and
provide
treatment
for
any
youth
identified
as
suffering
from
severe
mental
illness,
so
we're
something
we're
working
on
now.
House
Bill
3
requires
automatic
Detention
of
Youth
accused
of
certain
public
offenses,
including
considered
violent
for
up
to
48,
Hours,
exclusive
of
weekends
and
holidays
pending
their
detention
hearing.
D
Those
will
will
need
to
be
assessed
by
a
professional
during
that
time
and
any
treatment
recommended
will
be
provided
by
DJJ
or
a
contract
with
another
organization,
the
effective
data
that
provision
is
July
1st
of
2024.
So
it's
not
one
that
we're
we're
doing
right
now.
House
Bill
3
also
allows
for
Youth
and
detention
have
visitation
from
certain
groups
that
you
see
here,
which
is
was
fine
and
something
we
always
encourage.
We
want
our
kids
to
have
as
many
connections
with
the
community
as
they
can
there
are.
There
are
certain
challenges
with
mental
health
services.
D
We
have
to
do
a
lot
of
triaging
when
kids
come
in,
to
what
have
immediate
need
as
a
kid
completely
high
on
drugs.
Is
this
youth
completely
suicidal
at
the
time
that
they
come
in
and
we
have
to
look
at
the
fact
that
they
may
be
coming
in
and
out
with
very
short
time
frames,
so
we've
always
provided
mental
health
and
education
services
because
their
cases
are
still
in
pre-adjudicative
status.
We've
been
somewhat
Limited
in
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
offer.
D
They
may
not
be
guilty
of
the
offense
or
what
they're
detained
as
another
limitation.
Youth
have
the
right,
they're
they're
not
been
found
guilty
of
anything,
so
they
and
or
their
parents
and
or
their
attorneys
can
say.
We
don't
want
you
to
participate
in
any
and
we're
doing
a
contract
with
one
group
right
now
to
provide
services
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
work
on
there.
They
said
they
won't
step
in
our
building
until
they
have
parent
permission
on
every
single
youth
before
they'll
provide
any
any
services
to
them.
D
The
other
big
thing
is
we
don't
know
when
a
kid
comes
in
at
midnight.
He
may
be
gone
at
seven
in
the
morning
and
not
ever
come
back.
He
may
be
there
a
couple
of
weeks.
Couple
of
days,
few
months,
two
years,
so
you
get
a
whole
bunch
of
different
types
of
kids
with
different
sorts
of
situations
come
in
and
the
other
thing
is
not
every
kid
who
comes
in
the
building
needs
detention
Services.
D
We
have
some
kids
come
in,
who
are
stealing
food
because
they
didn't
have
anything
to
eat
and
what
they
need
is
food
in
the
house,
and
so
we
want
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
all
of
their
needs
as
well.
We
have
released
a
request
for
proposal
for
institutional
mental
health
treatment
that
was
released
on
May
15th.
It
closes
on
6,
12..
I
hope
that
somebody
does
respond.
To
that.
We
will
see.
D
One
of
the
issues
is
is
that
these
are
private
companies
and
individuals
and
health
care
providers,
and
so
whether
they
want
to
contract
with
us
will
will
be
an
issue
we've
faced
historically,
very
difficult
and
I
know.
Some
of
you
will
have
been
involved
with
this
too,
in
getting
argues
into
mental
health
psychiatric
placements,
because
they're,
either
too
aggressive
or
have
other
issues
and
oftentimes
the
placements
that
we
might
use
have
been
dealing
with.
D
Some
of
the
same
issues
we
have
as
far
as
Staffing
and
the
the
number
of
actual
beds
they
have
available
is
limited
as
well
a
lot
of
times.
We
really
do
come
into
the
custodian
of
Last,
Resort
and
I
I
can
tell
you
and
I
informed
secretary
Harvey
of
this
all
the
time
of
some
of
the
cases
that
we
get
I
mean
we.
We
have
had
non-verbal
autistic
youth
in
our
facility.
D
We
had
one
youth
came
in
in
a
wheelchair,
on
a
status,
offense,
paralyzed
and
the
reason
he
was
paralyzed
is
he
had
jumped
off
a
bridge
and
broke
his
lower
body,
and
so
you
know
he's
he's
in
our
facility.
Just
just
within
the
last
few
weeks
we
had
a
child
with
Down
syndrome
in
our
facility,
so
we
get
a
very
wide
type
of
Youth
and
I'll.
Just
mention
too.
In
addition
to
the
mental
we
we
get
an
extreme
wide
range
of
Youth
with
physical
issues.
D
We
have
kids
with
cancer
diabetes,
numerous
health
issues
that
we
are
dealing
with,
I
mentioned
the
1.5
million
and
we
are
working
with
as
it
was
mandated
in
the
Senate
Bill
162
with
our
friends,
and
we
are
one
of
the
members
of
them
of
the
state
interagency
Council
of
seaac,
as
we
call
it
to
establish
this
diversionary
program
and
they're
they're
excited
about
doing
that
and
we're
hoping
if
we
should
result
with
this
pilot,
we
might
come
back
and
say
we'd
like
some
more
money
to
expand
these
Services
beyond
that.
So
we
are
always.
D
You
know,
seeking
to
improve
our
Mental
Health
Services
in
detention,
and
we
are
trying
to
to
meet
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
with
that.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at.
We
have
a
whole
clinical
staff
and
we
have
an
evidence-based
treatment
program
committee
and
we
we've
been
working
for
some
time
and
we've
accelerated
our
ability
to
try
to
get
this
into
our
detention
centers,
where
we're
going
to
run
an
open-ended
program
that
will
cycle
through
because
that's
another
problem
with
the
treatment
like
we
do
aggression
replacement
training.
D
If
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
that,
it's
a
very
well
known,
evidence-based
program
in
our
ydc's.
Well,
it's
a
closed
group.
The
same
10
kids
are
in
there
for
eight
to
ten
weeks
and
you
can't
let
any
new
kids
come
and
go.
It's
the
same
same
group,
a
lot
of
the
treatment
services
are
that
way
so
with
detention
coming
in
and
out,
so
we've
got
one
that
we're
getting
ready
to
implement
that
we
will
have
it
consistent
with
the
weeks
across
all
of
our
Center.
D
Every
Center
will
be
doing
the
same
week
at
the
same
time
and
we'll
be
able
to
have
the
kids
cycle
in
and
out,
and
this
is
not
going
to
be
an
in-depth.
This
is
not
going
to
deal
with
the
offense
that
they're
there
we're
not
treating
arsonists
for
arson
or
sex
offenders
or
sex
offense
issues,
but
it
will
deal
with
trauma,
thinking
and
coping
skills
and
some
of
the
the
basic
types
of
cognitive,
behavioral
things.
So
we're
we're
excited
about
getting
that
done.
C
And
now
just
to
follow
up,
and
for
some
of
you
I
know,
you
will
have
heard
me
said
this
a
number
of
times,
but
I
do
want
you
to
know
that
we
take
very
seriously
Our
obligation
to
implement
the
legislative
changes
that
were
made
in
this
session.
We
have
regular
meetings
to
talk
about
that.
We've
broken
the
legislation
down
into
all
of
its
components,
really
to
primary
bills
and
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
there.
We
have
a
DJJ
manager
and
somebody
at
the
cabinet
level
who's
responsible
for
every
one
of
these
components.
We
have
milestones.
C
We
are
tracking
our
implementation
of
what
the
legislature
enacted
so
I
say
that
to
say
that
we
we
take
that
Our
obligation
there
very
very
seriously.
I
am
concerned
about
the
requirement
that
we
enter
into
a
contract
with
private
providers
to
provide
sufficient
institutional
treatment
for
severely
mentally
ill
juveniles,
because
I
just
don't
know
that
those
providers
are
out
there.
C
I
hope,
as
the
commissioner
said,
we'll
get
some
responses
to
our
RFP,
but
I'll
tell
you.
Experience
teaches
that,
even
if
we
do
get
to
that
point
as
a
practical
matter,
if
we
have
a
juvenile
who
has
a
severe
mental
illness
and
because
of
that
mental
illness,
they
are
aggressive,
aggressive
and
violent
and
they
attack
the
staff
of
that
hospital
or
that
treatment
facility
they're,
just
not
gonna
they're,
not
going
to
take
care
of
those
kids
and
again
I
know
for
some
of
you.
C
This
is
repetitive,
but
the
the
child
that
so
much
was
written
about
in
the
newspapers
over
the
last
few
months
had
a
severe
mental
illness
severely
mentally
ill
children
don't
belong
in
a
Detention
Facility.
They
belong
in
a
treatment
facility,
but
I
know
for
our
judges.
They
may
not
have
a
better
choice.
C
They
may
not
have
any
choice,
and
so
this
child
that
so
much
was
written
about
I,
know
from
personal
examination
of
the
records
that
the
department
folks,
over
the
course
of
a
few
months,
tried
nine
different
private
placements
in
treatment
facilities
for
this
child.
They
would
not
take
care
of
her
because
she
was
extremely
aggressive
and
extremely
violent,
and
this
was
a
female
juvenile.
C
Now
we
have
males
in
the
same
situation
that
may
be
one
comes
to
mind:
that
six
won
255
pounds
so
I
just
I
say
that
to
say
that
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
comply
with
this
statutory
mandate,
but
you
can't
do
that
without
a
partner
and
I
fear
that
there
are
no
Partners
out
there
in
the
private
sector.
That
will
take
care
of
these
kids.
C
Senate
Bill
162
codifies
many
of
the
Investments
that
the
Bashir
Administration
has
made
in
DJJ
since
2022
and
I
think
the
language
in
Senate,
Bill
162
goes
a
long
way
to
enhance
the
security
of
our
facilities.
C
So
that's
a
longer
term
project
that,
of
course,
for
the
most
part
will
be
handled
by
the
finance
cabinet
until
the
contractors
are
in
place
and
and
and
the
work
is
completed.
But
we
look
forward
to
the
to
the
day
when
that
downtown
facility
will
be
reopened
and
will
provide
certainly
needed
additional
capacity
in
in
Jefferson
County,
providing
that
we
can
staff
it
and
I
just
want
to
keep
that
in
front
of
the
group.
C
The
last
thing
that
I
want
to
address
and
just
to
make
you
aware
of
the
issues,
are
kind
of
the
interplay
between
house
bill,
3
and
Senate
Bill
162
on
our
capacity
and
we're
we're
working
through
this
process.
This
is
going
to
require
I,
think
some
considered
analysis
about
what's
possible
and
and
what's
not,
but
under
Senate
Bill
162.
C
C
Our
facilities
tend
to
be
pretty
small.
Most
of
them
are
about
40
beds,
and
so
we're-
and
so
this
is
I'm
I'm-
not
making
a
philosophical
argument
here
at
all,
but
I'm
just
making
you
aware
of
a
potential
arithmetic
problem,
just
for
example,
in
Warren
County.
Today,
I
looked
this
morning,
we
have
39
males
in
Warren,
County
Detention
today,
I
think
the
capacity
it
Warrens
40.
C
is
that
right,
most
of
our
facilities
are
divided
into
PODS
of
10.,
and
so
just
at
Warren,
if
you
just
say
well
we're
going
to
take
one
pod
and
have
five
beds
for
high
Fender
girls
and
five
for
low
offender
girls.
That
leaves
you
with
30
beds
for
boys.
We
got
39
boys
there
today,
so
you
can
see
the
arithmetic
problem
and
we're
just
at
the
beginning
of
this
analysis.
C
So
I
just
want
to
raise
that
that
this
does
create
some
complexities
that
we
want
to
be
transparent
about
the
we're
very
grateful
that
that
Senate
Bill
162
appropriated
some
money
for
us
to
hire
some
experts
and
some
design
people
to
help
us
understand
how
we
can
maybe
reconfigure
our
facilities
to
to
meet
the
requirements.
But
I
I
just
again
want
to
be
very
upfront
and
transparent.
That
there
are
some
challenges
here
and
those
are
those
challenges
probably
will
be.
Exacerbated,
certainly
will
be
exacerbated
with
the
full
implementation
of
house
bill.
3.
C
C
Well,
maybe
you
have
250
beds
in
the
system
and
only
230
kids
in
the
system.
You
actually
have
eight
different
problems,
because
you
have
eight
different
detention
facilities,
so
we're
going
to
be
working
through
that
we're
going
to
be
trying
to
do
what
I
hope
will
be
a
solid
analysis.
So
we
can
all
see
where
we
stand
with
that,
but
I
do
want
to
make
you
aware
that
that's
a
an
issue,
that's
front
of
mind
for
us,
and
that
concludes
our
presentation.
C
I
think
we've
I
think
we've
made
a
lot
of
improvements
in
the
last
year
or
so
I
think
we
have
benefited
greatly
from
the
work
of
the
legislature
and
in
providing
a
lot
of
money
that
was
needed
and
and
legislation
that
provides
a
lot
of
improvements.
We're
not
where
we
want
to
be.
This
is
a
continuing
process
and
it's
a
slow
process,
but
I
do
believe
that
our
facilities
are
much
improved
today
from
what
they
were
a
year
ago.
A
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
secretary,
very
thorough
presentation
and
I
know
that
it's
a
vast
undertaking
what
you've
gone
through
almost
I
guess
an
hour
of
presentation
there.
So
we
appreciate
the
time
representative,
bratcher
you're
recognized.
Thank.
G
C
C
Prior
to
Senate
Bill
162,
you
had
girls
and
boys,
often
in
the
same
pods,
you
had
high
level
offenders
and
low-level
offenders
next
door
to
one
another.
Senate
Bill
162
does
require
that
they
be
returned
to
the
regional
centers,
but
it
requires
that
these
four
groups
be
kept
separated
from
one
another.
C
It
will
create
a
more
inefficient
use
of
the
beds
because
you,
how
do
you
ever
know
how
many
beds
you
need
for
girls,
so
you're
always
going
to
have
probably
a
few
empty
beds
for
high-level
girls,
a
few
empty
beds
for
high
level
boys
under
the
old
system.
You
could
use
every
bed
all
the
time,
so
it's
a
this
is
different
than
is
ever
what's
been
done
in
the
past
on.
G
House
Bill
3
in
the
48
hour,
I'm
so
sick
at
talking
about
that
violent
people
belong
incarcerated.
If
that's
the
right
word
for
juveniles,
but
until
somebody
with
authority,
like
a
judge,
decides
what
to
do,
that's
my
opinion.
I've
had
all
the
political
talks
I
want
to
talk
about
it.
So
my
question
my
request
to
you
is
that
we're
coming
up
on
a
budget
year.
We
delayed
this
deadline
until.
E
G
C
And
representative
bratcher,
that's
exactly
why
I
made
the
comments
today.
I
may
I
want
to
be
upfront
about
this
and
again
I'm,
not
here
to
argue
at
all
about
the
merits
or
or
the
arguments.
The
the
policy
arguments
about
House
Bill,
3.
I'm,
talking
about
the
Practical
issues
of
just
having
the
capacity
in
the
system
and
that's
we're
gonna,
that's
what
we're
gonna
do
a
as
detailed
to
look
at
as
we
can
and
if
we
need
additional
resources
to
do
what
the
legislature
wants
to
do.
We'll
tell
you
what
that
is.
G
C
G
Is
there
just
not
do
we
not
have
other
states?
And,
like
you
know
in
in
the
legislature,
we
have
the
ncsl
state
legislatures.
We
come
together
every
now
and
then
and
talk
about.
What's
this
state
doing
that
you
know,
we've
got
50
experiments,
I,
think,
Carter
or
Reagan
said
that
one
time
got
50
experiments
going
on.
Surely
there's
best
practices
out
there
without
us
having
to
go
through
each
movement
and
find
best
practices
on
our
own.
D
Yes,
there
are,
there
are
best
practices
out
there
and
we
look
at
those
extensively.
I'm
a
member
of
the
correctional
Juvenile,
Justice
administrators
and
so
I
meet
regularly
with
counterparts
Across,
the
Nation
there's
a
coalition
of
Juvenile
Justice,
the
children's
Law
Center,
who
came
in
and
did
a
study,
Annie
Casey,
which
is
one
of
the
well-known
ones
that
has
a
whole
list
of
standards
and
so
forth.
So,
yes,
those
are
out
there
and-
and
we
have
tried
to
follow
those
for
for
many
years
and
continue
to
look
at
implementing
best
practices.
I.
C
G
You
you
mentioned
that
you
might
not
have
any
contractors
that
want
to
work
with
you.
Were
you
just
talking
about
like
that
they're
in
our
commit
that
task
force
we
had.
There
was
discussions
that
Our
Lady
of
Peace
took
some.
You
know
severe
cases.
Is
that
what
you
were
referring
to
like?
Yes,.
C
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
and
and
we're
not
talking
about
I,
want
to
I
want
to
be
clear.
We're
not
talking
about
a
huge
number
of
kids,
but
you
would
it's.
You
would
be
shocked
to
know
how
one
juvenile,
like
that
I
mean.
We've
had
multiple
staff
people
that
have
just
left,
because
these
it's
you
cannot
possibly
do
what
you
need
to
do
for
a
severely
mentally
ill
kid
and
a
Juvenile,
Detention,
Facility,
and,
and
it's
it's
not.
You
know
it's
not
fair
to
the
child.
C
G
Well,
at
one
time
there
was
the
Our
Lady
of
Pete
Knights,
Called,
Peace
hospital
and
I
guess
that
contract
was
lost,
that
agreement
was
lost.
C
We've
we've
had
discussions
with
peace
and
Senator
Carroll's
aware
of
this
recently
and
they're
they're
just
and
I'm
I'm
not
casting
any
kind
of
aspersions
on
the
private
facilities.
I
mean
they're,
just
not
going
to
subject
their
staff
to
that
kind
of
danger.
G
And
the
last
one
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
your
patience.
You
said
that
the
JC
facility
was
not
designed
to
be
a
Detention
Facility.
D
C
C
D
G
Well,
thank
you
guys
for
a
great
presentation.
I
was
sorry.
I
was
late,
there
was
traffic
in
Louisville
and
but
it's
a
great
presentation
and
I
did
I
I
didn't
mean
to
come
on
so
strong
there.
You
know
my
caucus
says
I'm.
The
nicest
a-hole
they've
ever
met,
so
I
didn't
I,
don't
mean
to
be
that
way.
It's
just
I'm
so
tired
of
this.
These
discussions,
but
you
know
that's
that's
what
we're
here
for
is
to
keep
working
through
these
things.
G
So
thank
you
guys
very
much
for
for
being
here
in
your
presentation.
A
E
Thank
you
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation.
It's
a
lot
of
information
and
I
know
that,
with
the
changes
that
we
did
this
past
session,
it's
a
lot
and
so
I.
Thank
you
all
for
your
dedication.
E
The
question
that
I
have
actually
have
two
questions.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
can
get
an
outline
of
the
phases
for
the
data?
What
that
is
going
to
look
like
in
the
different
phases
if
we
could
get
a
copy
of
that
or
just
get
more
information.
E
Asking
so
you
all
said,
as
far
as
rolling
out
the
changes
with
the
system,
the
data
system,
the
calm.
E
And
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
regarding
the
detention
center
that
is
going
to
be
downtown
in
Jefferson.
I
know
that
you
all
talked
about
it
a
little
bit.
But
what
is
the
update?
The
timeline?
Do
we
know
how
much
any
more
details
about
how
much
it's
going
to
cost?
When
are
we
thinking
that
this
facility
is
going
to
be
open
just
a
little
bit
more
details
about
where
we
are
with
that
facility.
C
Yeah
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
detail
on
that
representative.
I
I
think
we're
at
the
point
now
where
they're
they're
trying
to
engage
design
professionals
and
as
this
process
works
at
least
as
I
understand
it
through
the
procurement
of
design
and
construction
services,
and
all
that
the
bulk
of
that
will
be
carried
by
the
finance
cabinet
for
the
for
the
for
that
part
of
it.
But
I
know
they're
moving
as
quickly
as
they
can
to
get
a
design
team
in
and
then
it'll
move
on
to
the
construction
phase.
C
But
every
time
I've
ever
guessed
about
the
the
end
date
of
a
construction
project.
I've
been
wrong.
E
Who
to
get
more
information
about,
and
the
reason
why
I
ask
is
still
with
that
facility.
One
of
my
concerns
or
questions
is
is:
is
that
the
best
location?
E
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
when
we
look
at
the
overall
needs
for
a
Jefferson,
County
I'm
still
concerned
about?
Is
that
building
the
best
location?
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
now
and
what
are
some
of
the
foreseeing
a
cost
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years?
Well,.
C
Let
us
let
me
see
what
I
can
get
for
you
on
that
again.
Some
of
that
information
probably
resides
in
a
in
a
different
agency
and
and
I
suspect,
some
of
it
in
terms
of
final
costs
and
that
sort
of
thing,
probably
a
little
bit
premature
until
you
get
a
a
design
completed
and
see
what's
possible
with
that
facility,
and
but
let
me
see
what
we
can
come
up
with
to
to
update
you
on
that.
H
Thank
you,
representative
secretary
Harvey
and
representative
bratcher
to
kind
of
further
answer
your
question
with
Our
Lady
of
Peace.
When
we
left
the
session,
we
we
were
in
discussions
with
representatives
from
uofl,
Our
Lady
of
Peace
and
the
the
facility
that
they
and
secretary
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
the
facilities
that
they
previously
used
were
being
remodeled
to
serve
kids
with
autism.
If
I
remember
correctly,
I
think.
H
And-
and
they
were
in
the
process
of
of
trying
to
look
at
other
assets
that
uofl
had
available
to
possibly
convert
for
our
purposes
and
in
those
meetings
secretary
friedlander
was
a
part
of
that.
So
it's
not.
C
H
So
that
that's
going
to
be
an
ongoing
issue
that
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with,
and
if
it's,
if
it's
not,
if
we're
unable
to
reach
any
agreements
with
with
private
providers,
I
think
as
a
state
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
at
the
option
of
the
State
setting
up
a
system
for
these
kids,
you
know,
regardless
of
what
they
may
or
may
not
have
done.
We
can't
keep
going
the
way.
H
We
are
it's
inhumane,
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
going
on
and
as
a
state
we
we
have
to
do
better
than
that.
H
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
options
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
at
some
point
and
not
that
we
haven't
had
those
discussions,
but
where
that
would
be,
how
that
might
be
structured
is,
is
a
whole
conversation
within
itself
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at,
and
it
may
be
building
up
a
program
from
the
ground
up
for
these
kids,
the
other
question
I
had
in
commissioner.
This
may
be
more
for
you.
H
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
right
now
and
you
said,
Troopers
are
have
been
pulled
out
of
some
of
the
facilities.
What
are
you
all
seeing
in
a
dare
I'm
not
aware
of
any
further
incidents,
since
we
left
session,
not
the
last
two
I
think
we're
in
Warren
County.
With
the
issues
have
we
had
other
incidents?
Have
we
had
any
other
injuries
with
staff
or
injuries
with
kids
being
detained?
Where
are
we
right
now.
D
I
think
we've
seen
a
substantial
Improvement
we've
not
had
any
major
incidents.
I
think
we've
still
had
a
couple
incidents
where
staff
have
been
assaulted,
just
individual
staff
with
an
individual
Youth
and-
and
some
of
that
you
know-
can
happen
in
in
the
blink
of
an
eye.
I
get
I
watch
some
of
the
you
know,
everything's
on
tape
and
some
of
the
video
and
one
of
them
we
saw
is
you
know,
a
youth
just
standing
there,
who
all
of
a
sudden
just
hauls
off
and
slams
his
fist
in
someone's
face.
D
So
you
know
some
of
those
things
you
are
impossible,
but
as
far
as
the
overall
I
think
we're
much
better
Adair
is
one
of
the
ones
we
have
seen
the
most
substantial
increase
in
staff
and
what
I
was
told
locally
was
that
for
that
amount
of
money
in
that
region,
a
lot
of
those
people
were
driving
many
miles
away
to
work,
and
now,
with
the
ability
to
to
get
that
starting
pay,
we
were
able
to
see
substantial
numbers,
I
think
we
had
12
and
one
Academy
and
14,
and
so
we're
much
better
off
with
our
numbers.
D
C
I
I
would
just
say
we
had
a
system
now
for
several
months
where,
if
there
is
a
significant
incident
like
if
a
staff
person
is
assaulted
and
injured,
and
it's
significant
way
or
a
juvenile
24
7
I
get
a
call.
Commissioner
Reed
gets
a
call,
and
so
we
and
and
that's
been
while
those
not
all
those
calls
come
at
convenient
times.
It's
it's
been
I
mean
we.
We
talked
to
our
people
in
real
time
when
these
things
happen
and
I
think
that
the
situation
is
is
greatly
improved.
C
What
I
hear
from
our
people
is
that
you
know
you're.
Never.
As
the
commissioner
said,
you
have
some
of
these
juveniles
that
just
are
out
of
the
blue
they're,
going
to
slug
somebody
and
there's
no
way
to
prevent
that.
But
our
people
tell
us
that
they
feel
much
more
capable
of
responding
effectively
to
those
incidents
than
might
have
been
the
case
some
time
ago.
H
Are
there
any
doc
guards
that
are
working
in
detention
facilities
today.
D
C
Okay,
but
just
to
elucidate
on
that
a
little
bit
because
I
want
you
to
get
the
full
picture
Campbell
is.
We
still
have
a
very
stressful
situation
with
Staffing,
Campbell,
County
and
so
I.
This
goes
back,
I,
don't
know
a
couple
of
months.
We
asked
for
volunteers
from
Doc
and
a
lot
of
them
are
like
probation
and
parole
officers
trained
people
to
help
us
in
Campbell,
County
and
Doc's,
provided
a
lot
of
help
and-
and
that
should
be
acknowledged.
H
And
as
we
we
talk
through
all
the
issues
with
the
detention
facilities
and
I
you
and
I
had
this
conversation,
I
toured
the
Youth
Development
Center
in
Mayfield,
and
you
know,
while
I
was
there,
there
was
a
kid
coming.
The
next
day
that
had
was
charged
with
murder,
and
you
know
that
that
was
a
facility.
They
they
have
a
security
fence.
H
It
doesn't
have
a
gate,
they
have
doors
the
doors
don't
have
locks
so
as
the
next
level
of
this
and
again
under
the
same
premise
that
we're
dealing
with
a
different
group
of
kids
than
we
were
20
years
ago,
and
so
that
that
carries
on
to
the
next
levels.
What
are
we
doing
within
the
Youth,
Development,
Centers
and
and
I
know
when
I
was
there,
there
was
a
kid
that
I
think
had
been
charged
with
rape
that
escaped
twice
within
maybe
a
month
period.
I
may
not
be
exact
on
that.
H
The
second
time
I
think
KSP
called
him
and
ended
up
being
moved.
But
you
know
and
I
know
I've
heard
comments
from
residence
concerns
about
things
like
that.
So
what
are
we
doing
at
that
next
level?
Beyond
detention
to
make
sure
these
facilities
are
secured.
D
But
we
have
had,
as
you
mentioned,
Mr
Chandler
do
an
assessment,
and
looking
at
that,
you
know,
I
will
say.
Let
me
explain
a
little
bit
on
that.
We
wouldn't
put
a
a
youth
charge
with
murder
as
a
straight
placement
into
a
place
like
Mayfield
I.
Think
the
youth
you're
talking
about
just
to
further
explain
it
already
been
one
of
our
other
facilities
for
two
years.
D
So
you
know
we
have
some.
We
have
some
youth
that
might
been
charged
with
murder
that
were,
you
know,
not
able
to
be
tried
as
an
adult
and
they're
with
us
and
they're
going
to
be
released
at
18
and
at
some
point
we
have
to
start
stepping
those
youth
down
and
even
back
to
the
community
where
we
can
supervise
them.
But
we
would
not.
A
youth
charged
with
murder
is
going
to
go
to
like
a
dare
so
that
step
down
kid.
D
We
really
it's
amazing
for
the
facilities
that
we
have
to
be
basically
staff
secure
other
than
a
deer.
We
only
had
in
2022
one
youth
AWOL,
and
that
was
from
Mayfield
the
entire
year
from
YDC,
which
is
really
pretty
much
unheard
of,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
that
amazes
other
states
I
think
it's
a
credit
to
the
culture
that
some
of
of
our
facilities
have
built
up
and
honestly
for
some
of
them,
especially
it's
because
they're
located
in
very
geographically
remote,
surrounded
by
water
on
three
sides.
Mayfield
is
probably
our
one.
D
That's
most,
you
know
flat
land
right
and
closer
to
town.
So
we
do
look
at
all
the
kids
and
where
but
I'm
going
to
be
honest,
we're
going
to
need
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
a
new
YDC
that
does
not
have
the
dormitory
set
up
that
we
have
at
all
of
these.
So
we
need
a
YDC
with
individual
rooms,
because
those
facilities
sometimes
go
back
to
the
1960s
and
70s.
D
When
we
had
a
little
five
foot,
two
kids
in
there
and
so
forth,
and
we
were
able
to
have
40
and
50
kids
in
those
facilities.
Now
there's
no
way.
We
would
put
that
many,
where
there's
not
an
ability
to
separate
them
out.
They're,
bigger
they're,
more
aggressive,
but
somewhere
down
the
pike,
we're
going
to
have
to
be
spending
some
money
on
a
new
facility.
That's
going
to
house
some
of
those
medium-range
kids
that
maybe
don't
need
a
dare
but
don't
need
Mayfield
either.
We.
C
We
did
have,
as
the
commissioner
indicate
related
and
I
think
I
mentioned
earlier,
Mr
Chandler
once
he
made
his
tour
of
the
detention
facilities
he's
now
toured
all
of
the
ydc's
he's
made
a
lot
of
detailed
recommendations.
The
department
is
considering
those
and
we're
gonna.
The
department
will
be
taking
a
look
at
what
improvements
they
think
need
to
be
made
and
whether
or
not
we
have
existing
resources
to
fund
that
or
whether
we'll
need
to
come
back
next
year
to
do
that.
I
mean
I.
I,
take
the
point.
C
H
And
I
would
give
the
folks
who
may
feel
a
compliment.
I
I
was
impressed
with
what
I
saw
there
with
the
their
carpentry
type
programs,
mechanical
programs
and
and
the
staff.
You
know
I
I.
They
you
could
tell
they
loved
what
they
did
and
they
were
committed
to
their
kids
and
they
just
wanted
things
to
get
better.
So
I'd
enjoy
my
time
with
them.
I
think
I'm,
going
to
Tyra,
Thomas
Walker
I
think
is
on
Zoom.
You
are
recognized
for
a
comment.
F
B
B
The
one
thing
that
I
want
to
address
it
was
representative
bratcher
said
something
made
a
statement
about
violent
criminals,
whether
children
should
be
incarcerated,
so
the
statement
I
have
for
that
is
children
are
not
born
violent
and
those
that
are
dealing
with
mental
health
issues
don't
belong
behind
bars
are
incarcerated.
We
need
to
find
a
resolution
for
children
with
mental
health
and
resolution
for
children
that
are
committing
these.
These
violent
crimes,
so
I
want
us
to
find
a
way
put
some
resources.
B
Whatever
we
can
do
to
help
with
crime
reduction,
we
need
systems
in
place
that
can
provide
the
data
to
prove
that
there
are
methods
that
they're
using
is
effective,
because
it
is
sad
that
right
now,
I'm
listening
to
us
talk
about
building
more
facilities
for
children
when
we
need
to
figure
out
what
is
at.
What's
what
has
really
happened
to
those
children
to
make
them
want
to
resort
to
a
life
of
crime?
Results.
Excuse
Resort.
Excuse
me
to
a
life
of
crime.
H
Okay,
Christina
Weider,
you
are
recognizing.
I
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Actually
one,
oh,
is
it
on
okay
didn't
have
it
close
enough?
Thank
you.
So
I
was
curious
for
some
additional
information
about
your
data
system.
I
will
say
in
in
education.
I
I
I
I'll
lead
you
to
it
in
a
second,
but
because
I
know
that
commissioner
Reed
mentioned
yesterday
it
so
yesterday,
Wednesday
at
CAC
that
you
are
looking
into
positive
behavior
interventions
and
supports
which
is
or
PBIS,
which
is
something
that
we've
definitely
seen
as
a
positive
thing
in
schools
and
definitely
requires
a
lot
of
good
data
on
the
behaviors
so
that
you
can
match
the
interventions
with
that.
So
could
you
say
a
little
bit
more
about
the
data
system
that
you're
hoping
to
develop.
C
Well,
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
would
like
to
see
I
mean,
first
of
all,
just
basic
nuts
and
bolts.
You
know
when
you
have
questions
about
how
many
kids
do
we
have
here?
What
are
they
charged
with?
Where
do
they
come
from?
You
ought
to
be
able
to
get
that
almost
in
real
time,
and
that
has
not
been
the
case.
But
beyond
that
has
a
management
tool.
I
know
when
we
started
looking
at
all
of
this.
C
One
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
do
is
to
go
back
and
make
some
detailed
comparisons
about
historical
detention
populations
and
what
we're
seeing
today
and
to
try
to
identify
Trends
and
differences
and
the
system
just
did
not
provide
useful
data
in
that
regard,
and
I
I
think
that
for
people
who
are
managing
these
facilities
and
these
populations
in
the
future
they'll
benefit
greatly.
C
If,
if
we
have
very
detailed
information
about,
you
know
not
just
numbers
of
kids
and
what
they're
charged
with,
but
but
they're
demographics
and
their,
where
they're
coming
from
and
maybe
different
outcomes
from
one
jurisdiction
to
another,
so
we
can
and
and
I
think
that's
how
you
begin
to
spot
Trends
and
you
can
begin
to
spot
problems
while
there's
still
manageable
problems,
and
we
just
currently
don't
have
access
to
anything
like
that.
At
least
that
that's
my
opinion.
You
may.
D
E
D
Very
important
thing
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
with
our
prior
system
was
because
it
was
Regional.
You
were
the
idea
that
youth
went
to
that
facility
and
stayed,
and
the
system
hadn't
been
set
up
to
track
them
across
multiple
moves,
and
so
we
were
not
getting
those
unduplicated
numbers,
so
that
was
just
one
little
problem
that
we're
looking
at
moving
from
a
more
Antiquated
system
into
a
much
better,
more
useful
system.
I
I
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
excited
about
is
that
ability
to
track
students
over
different
placements
and,
and
you
know
what
we
call
transient
students
and
that
would
include
students
who
are
involved
with
with
DJJ
or
dcbs
or
homeless,
or
just
for
whatever
reason
they
end
up
having
multiple
enrollments
across
the
state
and
that's
been
very
useful
information
I
think
for
us
to
gather
as
a
state,
but
also
just
to
share
with
districts
about
how
to
better
support
them,
and
so
the
other
question
I
had
was
really
about
just
thoughts
that
you
have
on
the
kind
of
training
that
you
want
to
be
able
to
provide
for
the
staff
I
mean.
I
C
Well,
personally,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
preconceived
notion
about
that.
What
I
think
we
should
do
again
is
tear
it
down
to
the
foundation
and
escape
from
the
orbit,
which
is
often
very
strong
of
this
is
how
we've
always
done
it,
because
that
to
me
is,
is
the
single
worst
justification
for
what
we're
doing
today
is.
This
is
how
we've,
no
matter
what
organization
you're
in
so
what
I
want
us
to
do
is
to
to
bring
in
people
who
know
this
stuff
and
we're
doing
that.
We
plan
to
partner
with
EKU.
C
Actually,
who
does
this
sort
of
needs
assessment
for
a
lot
of
different
agencies
and
and
just
take
this
down
to
the
foundation
and
build
it
up
for
what
we
need
today
and
I?
Don't
know
what
we'll
find
you
know,
we
may
find
that
that
there
aren't
huge
changes
that
are
necessary,
or
we
may
find
that
we
need
to
do
a
complete
overhaul,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be.
We
need
to
be
open
to
whatever
the
right
result
is
so
I
I,
don't
have
a
a
preconceived
Vision
about.
C
H
Since,
since
we
left
session
since
the
legislation's
approved,
changes
were
made
by
the
the
executive
branch,
how
have
you
all,
as
a
system
as
a
whole,
sent
the
message
that
things
are
changing
the
the
past,
the
conduct
of
the
past?
The
expectations
of
the
past
no
longer
stand.
It's
a
different
day,
we're
going
to
be
a
different
DJJ.
H
We're
going
to
set
the
standard
for
the
rest
of
this
country
to
follow
we're
going
to
treat
staff
we're
going
to
treat
kids
that
are
being
detained
with
the
respect,
humanely
we're
going
to
train
you
as
staff
we're
going
to
value
you
as
staff.
How
have
you
all
sent
that
message
out
that
it's
a
new
day
and.
C
I
I
think
we've
done
that
in
several
ways
and
commissioner
Reid
will
will
probably
have
a
better
answer
than
I
would
but
I
think
I
know.
We
have
talked
more
than
once
with
our
from
our
leadership
on
down
about
establishing
a
culture
of
Excellence
about
how
we're
going
to
do
things.
The
right
way,
every
time
that
that's
going
to
be
a
habit
and
I
think
we've
we've
been
pretty
open
and
I
mean
the
way
I
see
it
where
the
the
financial
commitment
we've
made
to
our
people.
C
I
think
speaks
volumes,
but
I
think
we
also
say
to
them:
we're
going
to
pay
you
more,
but
we're
going
to
expect
more
and
and
I
the
impression
I
get
and
and
I
will
say.
Senator
I've
had
more
contact
on
the
detention
side
than
the
post
adjudication
side,
but
I
believe
that
our
staff
is
very
appreciative
of
these
changes.
Now,
I'm
sure
opinion
is
not
uniform.
C
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
there,
but
I
think
that
our
staff
feels
more
empowered
and
better
supported
and
better
equipped
than
would
have
been
the
case
some
time
ago
and.
F
D
Well,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we've
really
strive
for
is
a
lot
more
consistency
through
the
years
and
I
think
partly.
This
goes
back
to
a
number
of
different
Commissioners
and
changes
and
so
forth.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
wanted
is
to
have
everybody
being
more
consistent
across
the
board
and
mentioned
being
supportive
of
our
staff
and
just
being
there
having
an
open
door.
I
have
been
in
every
one
of
our
facilities
multiple
times.
D
Some
of
them
have
never
had
a
commissioner
and
I've
been
there
four
and
five
times
in
each
building,
I've
tried
to
go
to
all
the
community
offices.
I
sat
down
with
all
of
our
nursing
staff,
all
of
our
detention,
alternative
coordinators
with
Everett,
Transportation
maintenance.
Folks-
and
you
know
some
of
some
of
the
people
that
are
most
crucial
to
our
system.
When
I
go
out
to
visit
a
facility,
I
make
sure
and
go
talk
to
the
cooks
and
the
maintenance
people
they.
D
They
are
some
of
the
most
crucial
people
that
that
we,
that
never
get
mentioned,
are
nurses
and
so
forth,
so
just
trying
to
be
there
and
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
we
are
there
to
support
them
and
we
do
have
high
expectations.
I
feel
like
I'm,
getting
a
really
a
lot
of
positive
vibes
from
the
everybody
across
the
board
and
I
think
they're
excited
that
that
they're
getting
some
of
the
recognition
that
they
feel
like
that
they
need
and
deserve.
D
Unfortunately,
one
of
the
things
with
you
know:
Juvenile
Justice
is
always
it's
always
the
bad
things
that
make
the
front
page
and
our
staff
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
Mayfield.
We
have
staff
that
Go
Far
and
Beyond
who
spend
their
own
money
on
things
who
go
above
and
beyond
to
do
things
for
kids
every
day
and
they
they
don't
get
much
recognition
for
all
the
really
positive,
wonderful
things
that
they
do
out
there.
So
I
try
to
make
sure
that
I.
Let
them
know
that
I
really
appreciate
those
extra
things
that
they
do
for
us.
I.
C
Would
I
would
also
say:
we've
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
on
things
like
making
sure
that
our
accountability
processes
are
more
consistent.
The
disciplinary
process
that
sort
of
thing
which,
frankly
in
the
past
I
think
has
has
not
been
as
consistent
as
it
should
be,
and
I
know
our
HR
staff
working
with
our
managers,
and
we
we've
paid
a
lot
of
attention
to
that.
So
I
think
the
message
we're
trying
to
send
to
our
staff
is
that
we
need
you.
C
We
love
you,
we've
gone
to
bat
for
you
or
the
legislature
has
gone
about
for
you,
we're
we're
paying
you
more
you're
going
to
have
more
help,
but
we
are
going
to
expect
that
we're
we're
going
to
have
a
culture
of
excellence
in
this
department
and
that
there's
going
to
be
accountability
when
we
don't
live
up
to
to
to
the
expectations
and
I
think
what
we
saw
before.
At
least
this
is
my
impression
in
in
particularly
in
a
lot
of
these
detention
facilities
you
just
sort
of
get
into
this
death
spiral.
C
You
know
where
again
you're
trying
to
staff
these
places
with
people
you're
paying
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
start.
So
you
can't
possibly
do
that.
So
we
had
a
situation
where
we
were.
We
were
people
were
working,
a
lot
more
than
they
should
have
been
working
and
they
didn't
have
enough
help.
We
we
had
a
lot
of
times
in
some
of
these
facilities
like
Adair,
where
there'd
be
maybe
only
three
four
staff
people
in
a
facility
at
a
time.
C
Well,
that's
just
that's
that's
not
right,
but
but
until
we
were
able
to
offer
a
competitive
compensation
package,
there's
just
there's
no
way
to
pull
the
nose
up.
You
know
and
I
think
now.
We've
done
that
with
the
help
of
the
legislature
and
and
with
the
governor's
leadership
and
so
I
think
we
are
on
an
upward
trajectory
but
I
have
to
say
it's
not.
You
know
it's
never
going
to
happen
as
fast
as
we
want
it
to
a
lot
of
this
stuff
takes
time.
It
will
take
time
to
get
all
the
staff
hired.
C
It
will
take
time
to
get
a
more
experienced
staff
and
there
are
always
you
know
we
we're
not
ever
going
to
have
a
time
where
we
don't
have
problems
in
juvenile
detention
facilities
because
we're
keeping
some
very
troubled
people
who
don't
want
to
be
there,
and
so
it's
it's.
It's
not.
You
know
we're
never
going
to
get
to
a
time
when
there's
there's
zero
incidents,
I
mean
what
should
be
measured
is.
Are
we
doing
everything
we
can
to
minimize
the
number
of
incidents?
C
Are
we
responding
appropriately
when
they
do
occur,
and
are
we
providing
the
the
the
support,
the
education,
the
mental
health
services
that
that
those
kids
in
detention
need
so
I
I
think
we're
the
the
the
direction
is
positive,
but
it
it's
it's
a
journey
and
we've
not
yet
reached
the
destination.
Let.
D
Me
just
mentioned
one
other
thing:
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
in
the
style
of
Juvenile
Justice
too
and
I
I
want
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
all
of
our
other
partner.
Here,
commissioner,
Dennis
and
I
had
a
meeting,
along
with
some
of
our
staff
that
we're
doing
regularly
to
talk
about
dually,
committed
kids
that
are
committed
to
both
of
ours
and
trying
to
solve
some
of
those.
D
The
education
folks
that
come
in
from
the
local
school
systems,
Kentucky,
educational,
collaborative
for
state
agency,
children,
kexac,
I'm,
always
proud.
I
can
say
that
out
real
quick
with
our
teaching
programs
that
are
in
their
DPA,
who
comes
in
and
does
post
dispositional
and
talks
to
every
kid
afterwards
and
comes
to
our
ydc's
regularly
and
meets
with
kids.
D
We
may
not
always
agree,
but
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
they're
there
on
behalf
of
our
kids,
so
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
other
players
that
come
to
the
table
that
are
involved
with
us
and
I
really
want
to
thank
them
for
all
their
support
and
expertise,
and
and
and
thank
you
for
your
offer
of
the
education
system,
we'll
be
happy
to
look
at
that
too.
But
we
don't
want
to
just
stand
alone.
D
H
Commissioner,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
any
secret
that
there
there
were
a
lot
of
calls
to
replace
you
and
I
in
all
honesty,
I'm
on
that
list,
and
it's
nothing
personal
again.
I
just
I
I've
been
through
things
like
this
enough
in
my
law
enforcement
career
to
know
that
sometimes,
when
you,
you
need
a
change
of
culture
you
have
to.
You
have
to
bring
in
new
top
leadership
and
so
I.
H
It's
good
to
hear
that
that
you're
doing
the
things
that
you're
doing
and
I
would
ask
that
you
be
sensitive
to
that,
because
you
may
not
get
all
the
word
back
that
that
we
get
from
from
within
your
ranks
and
I
hope
you
will
be
sensitive
to
that
and
try
to
earn
the
trust
and
respect
of
your
people,
because,
without
that,
your
success
secretary,
your
success
is
going
to
be
limited,
and
so
that's
I
wanted
to
get
that
just
kind
of
out
in
the
open,
because
that
was
something
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
with
and
not
just
you,
but
the
one
particular
Deputy
Commissioner
that
there
were
a
lot
of
calls
for
for
that
individual
to
be
replaced.
H
Also,
but
please
make
those
efforts
and
please
continue
those
contacts
and
and
listen
to
your
your
people,
I
think
we
have
made
a
lot
of
good
steps
and
I
think
we're
we're
developing
a
relationship
where,
as
a
legislature
and
I'm
talking
house,
senate
Republicans,
Democrats
I've
never
seen
a
group
come
together
to
to
be
more
united
on
a
topic
than
our
working
group
was
through
all
that
and
and
the
relationship
that
we
developed
in
working
through
these
issues
with
the
bills
that
passed.
H
We
need
to
build
on
that
and
there
needs
to
be
a
trust
there
and
the
politics
has
got
to
be
removed
from
all
of
this.
So
my
hope
is
we'll
continue
down
that
path,
with
open
and
honest
dialogue
and
not
trying
to
one-up
each
other
or
trying
to
get
out
in
front
of
the
other
for
political
purposes.
You
know
that
this
is
too
important
to
play
those
games
representing
bratcher.
You
have
a
follow-up
final
statement.
G
Yeah
just
a
couple
of
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
Echo
what
the
Senators
say
and
what
we're
pulling
for
you.
This.
We
want
this
to
work
and-
and
it's
very
important
and
I
know
you-
you
guys-
have
endured
quite
a
bit
of.
G
G
C
Well,
there
are
certainly
you
know
in
a
dare
in
particular,
their
law
enforcement
investigations
going
on,
and
you
know
there
was
I
suspect,
there'll,
be
charges
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
I
suppose
with
I
think
I
I
guess
with
some
of
it
you
would
have
to
say
it
depends
to
the
extent
that
there
are
that
there
were
juveniles
involved
in
that
that
are
treated
as
youthful
offenders.
They'll
go
to
adult
court
but
of
course,
to
the
extent
that
they're
they're
charged
and
the
charges
are
adjudicated
in
in
juvenile
court.
G
Just
to
get
something
straight:
real,
quick,
a
juvenile
comes
to
a
Detention
Center,
and
they
stay
in
that
Detention
Center
until
there's
a
a
spot
open
in
Youth,
Development
Center.
Is
that
usually
the
case.
D
The
vast
majority
of
our
kids,
who
come
to
to
detention,
are
not
committed
to
DJJ.
Later
I
mean
there
are
there's
a
significant
number,
but
a
lot
of
kids
come
in
they're
just
waiting
for
their
court
case
to
be
resolved.
Okay
and
they
may
be
placed
on
probation.
They
may
do
a
work
project.
They
may
you
know,
I
mean
there's
lots
of
things
that
the
judges
can
can
do
with
those
for
the
kids
that
are
committed
to
us.
Then,
when
they're
they
usually
or
are
in
detention.
D
D
The
kids
and
Detention
Center
are
going
to
get
a
school
day.
I
mean
they
need
a
six
hour
school
day,
just
like
the
other
kids.
Our
Fayette
detention
had
a
graduation
ceremony
this
week
and
three
of
our
kids
graduate
and
they
had
Smiles
as
this
big,
we
had
a
whole
reception
for
them.
Our
our
res.
Our
graduation
is
next
Friday
for
all
the
youth
from
Our
Youth
Development
Centers,
but
they
do
get
education.
D
We
do,
as
I
said,
the
the
some
of
the
counseling
and
so
forth
that
we
can
do
we're
limited
vocational
programs
are
so
strong
in
our
ydc's.
You
mentioned
our
our
building
and
construction.
I
mean
we.
We
have
welding,
we
have
I.T,
we
have
kids
who
really
come
out
with
lots
of
certificates
who
get
hired
right
away
into
some
jobs
with
detention
because
of
the
equipment,
you're
you're
much
more
limited.
D
We
can't
give
them
welding
in
circular
Saws
and
all
that,
but
one
of
the
things
we
have
looking
to
do
to
expand
our
vocational
opportunities
is
we're
doing
the
virtual.
And
so,
if
you
go
into
one
of
our
centers
now-
and
you
see
a
kid
with
that
and
he's
rolling
around
on
the
floor-
he's
changing
the
oil
in
the
car
and
we
also
have
a
welding
one
where
they
can
do
that.
So
we're
we're
looking
always
to
expand
the
services
that
we
can
as
much
as
possible.
Like
I
said.
A
A
The
joys
of
private
law
practices
as
I
find
out
every
day,
I
guess
when
you
have
to
have
two
things
at
once,.
J
B
A
Here
is
there
any
more
discussion
so
far,
I
apologize
for
him.
Yes,
Sheriff
go
go
right
ahead.
Sheriff.
Would
you
turn
your
mic
on
and
proceed?
Thank
you.
Okay.
A
F
That
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation
and
I
know.
You
talked
about
the
increase
in
violence
among
juveniles
and
I
know
in
my
my
39
years.
In
this
line
of
work,
I've
seen
a
tremendous
increase
over
the
years.
It
we
have
one
murder
in
Hardin
County
in
2022,
and
it
was
committed
by
a
17
year.
Old
we've
had
two
so
far
this
year
and
the
first
one
was
by
a
17
year
old
and
so
violence
has
increased
it,
but
I
do
know
on
being
on
the
board
of
the
national
Sheriff's.
F
Association
turned
off.
Excuse
me
been
on
the
board
of
the
national
Sheriff's
Association
I
talked
to
sheriffs
across
the
United
States
and
listening
to
how
their
Juvenile
justice
system
is
and
and
some
that
are
familiar
with
Kentucky's
Juvenile,
Justice
Center.
You
know
we're
looked
at
as
somewhat
of
a
model:
Juvenile
Justice
System
compared
to
other
states.
D
A
I
did
have
one
one
question
that
I
thought
of
while
I
was
running
around
the
building.
You
talked
about
the
defensive
I,
don't
call
it
tactics
but
defensive
weapons
that
you
are.
E
A
C
B
C
States
but
I
mean
to
me
and
again
that's
something
we
can
disagree
about,
but
the
situation
we
had
before
we
deployed
OC
spray
is
our
Frontline.
People
had
no
means
to
defend
themselves,
so
if
there
was
some
sort
of
attack
or
fracus,
the
only
thing
they
had
at
their
disposal
was
the
use
of
physical
Force.
C
B
H
Yeah
Mr
chairman
I,
appreciate
it,
and
just
for
for
my
closing
comments,
I
guess
and-
and
it's
really
to
to
address
this
Council
when
when
we
were
working
through
the
legislation,
we
had
discussions
about
creating
a
separate
task
force
within
the
legislature
to
look
further
at
at
DJJ
issues
and
and
we
decided
to
to
leave
the
responsibility
to
this
Council.
For
a
reason,
and
it's
because
of
the
expertise,
that's
here
and
we
didn't,
we
didn't
want
to
just
be
very
narrow-minded
about
the
approach
to
resolving
all
these
problems.
H
We
wanted
it
to
be
a
you
know,
across-the-board
approach
in
looking
at
well,
we
always
say
looking
at
the
whole
child
with
all
the
needs
and
in
a
way,
I
guess
that's
why
we
made
this
decision
because
you
all
you
all
look
at
it
in
a
different
way,
and
we
have
to
consider
all
of
those
facets
of
this
issue
in
in
developing
policy
that
that's
going
to
move
us
forward
in
the
future
and
provide
us
with
the
best
DJJ
system,
the
best
outcomes
and,
in
the
end,
that's
what
it's
all
about,
whether
it's
a
kid
that
that
comes
into
the
system
and
leaves
the
system
very
quickly
or
if
it's
somebody
some
kid
that's
in
there
until
they
go
to
prison.
H
We
still
need
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
our
very
best
to
have
the
best
outcomes
for
that
individual,
while
we're
protecting
our
staff
and-
and
you
know,
treating
them
as
as
very
much
appreciated.
Employees
of
this
Commonwealth,
so
I
would
encourage
each
of
you
who
are
on
this
Council.
It
has
been
elevated
to
a
different
level
and
I
don't
mean
any
disrespect
for
those
of
you
who
are
here
in
place
of
someone
else.
I
don't
mean
that
at
all,
but
please
make
every
effort.
H
H
The
legislature
has
tasked
this
body
with
monitoring
DJJ
and
ensuring
that,
as
we
move
forward
that
we're
doing
it
properly,
we
we
probably
did
make
all
the
right
decisions
during
the
legislative
session
and
the
legislation
is
not
perfect.
We've
already
found
a
couple
issues
that
we
may
have
to
fix,
so
understand
that
we
don't
think
it
was
a
perfect
product.
We
worked
our
tails
off
for
two
months.
We
were
under
a
time
crunch.
We
had
a
massive
undertaking
and
this
legislature
again
all
of
us.
H
J
You
and
thank
you
all
good
progress
report.
Y'all
have
done
a
lot
in
a
short
time
frame.
Much
like
we,
our
work
grouped
in
I
think
we
did
do
have
a
rational
approach
for
the
safety
in
the
utilization
of
what
we
talked
about
with
the
proper
training.
I
think
it's
important
and
and
as
to
representative
bratcher,
talked
about
national
Focus
I've
served
on
the
ncsl
law,
Justice
committee
for
25
years
and
I
think.
J
Certainly
we
do
discuss
juvenile
issues
with
all
the
other
states,
and-
and
you
know,
the
trends
of
policy
throughout
the
nation
have
pretty
much
followed
what
we've
done
and
been
databased
data-driven
Trends.
Now
you
know
things
change.
We've
had
a
lot
of
socio-economic
issues,
we've
had
gangs
foreign
influences
using
our
juveniles
in
ways
that
we
didn't
maybe
have
20
or
30
years
ago,
with
cartels
and
and
whatnot,
and
you
know
the
family
structure.
J
All
of
these
things
have
impacted
this
new
demographic
that
everybody's
having
to
deal
with
I,
think
that
is
a
commonality
throughout
the
nation
and
I
think
we
will
see
the
pendulums
swing
back.
Much
like
we're
looking
at
doing
here
to
some
rational
protection
of
juvenile
protection
of
staff
and
Rehabilitation
and
provide
Mental
Health
Services.
You
know
mental
health.
J
The
mental
health
component
is
what
worries
me
the
most
about
this
presentation
today,
having
been
in
an
area
where
we
couldn't
get
providers
to
take
state
employees,
and
you
can't
make
the
private
sector
do
that
our
resources
are
very
limited
in
East
Kentucky
now,
and
certainly
that
that's
my
biggest
concern
I
think
we've
we've
gone
down
the
right
path
so
far
on
this
issue,
but
I
think
that's
an
issue
that
concerns
me
as
a
practitioner
and
a
citizen
and
a
policy
maker
more
than
anything
that
I've
heard
today
and
I
think
we
need
to
really
concentrate
on
that,
and
maybe
even
in
the
event
that
we
don't,
you
know
we
want
to
know
what
the
plan
B
is
and
and
should
we
look
at
the
physical
cost-benefit
analysis
of
having
a
staff
in-house
in
the
agency
to
maybe
least
troubleshoot
or
be
there
for
crisis
management
or
for
that
small
population
juveniles
that
need
it.
A
K
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
presentation
and
I
was
glad
to
hear
discussion
and
the
dialogue
on
the
mental
health
issues
that
juveniles
and
adults
both
are
facing
in
the
correctional
setting
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
the
mental
health
commission.
As
far
as
the
work
that
they're
doing
on
addressing
mental
health
issues
within
the
justice
system,
you've
got
a
wide
range
of
audience.
K
That's
part
of
that
group
I'm
very
interested
in
the
dialogue
that
they're
having
and
I'm
glad,
there's
a
focus
on
that
and
then
I'm
I'll
be
I.
Think
the
recommendations
that's
going
to
come
out
of
that
work
group
is
going
to
be
very
good
and
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
seeing
what
improvements
we
can
have
from
that
group
to
address
some
of
these
mental
health
issues,
that's
obviously
a
big
issue
now
with
this
population
and
then
also
kind
of
piggybacking
on
that
mental
health.
K
Summit
is
next
week
the
May
31st
through
June,
2nd
at
the
God
house
in
Lexington
or
Louisville.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
very
good
program,
lots
of
good
items
on
the
agenda,
a
lot
of
those
focusing
on
the
Juvenile
Justice
population
and
then
there's
also
Juvenile
Justice
focused
work
groups
within
that
Mental
Health
commission,
so
I'm
very
grateful
that
that
that
work
groups
been
formed
and
the
work
that's
going
to
come
from
that
and
then
also
second
thing
kind
of
piggybacking.
On
what
representative,
bratcher
and
Senator
Carroll
said.
K
As
far
as
best
serving
the
youth,
the
off
of
what
representative
bratcher
said
about
the
the
detention
programming.
K
Has
there
been
any
discussion
or
thoughts
on
learn
long-term
detainees,
those
those
that
obviously
based
on
the
offenses
that
they
have
or
the
complexity
of
their
cases.
We
know
they're
going
to
be
in
detention
for
a
long
period
of
time
as
far
as
giving
them
a
specialized
program
that
would
be
very
similar
to
a
YDC,
so
they
don't
aren't
essentially
warehoused
and
languishing
within
the
detention
setting.
D
Actually,
it's
interesting.
You
bring
that
up,
because
we
had
a
complete
plan
to
do
that.
We
had
a
committee
we
had
it
drafted.
We
were
within
weeks
of
getting
it
going
and
then
had
staffing
issues
that
we
we
just
couldn't
pull
it
off,
because
we
we
needed
the
facility
that
we're
going
to
place
it.
D
We
weren't
staffed
enough,
so
we
put
it
on
the
the
back
burner
until
we
could
get
there
and
then,
when
everything
else
started
happening
and
and
now
we
don't
actually
have
space
for
one
in
one
of
our
facilities
because
of
separating
or
whatever,
but
yeah
that
we
we
definitely
looked
at
that
for
for
the
kids,
because
some
of
our
kids
do
spend
you
know
a
year
or
two
years,
I
think
we
had
one
kid
spend
almost
four
years
in
our
facility
and
they
do
need
different
programming.
A
K
You
please
so
you
know
we
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
things
from
the
AOC
report,
the
first
one
being
fair
team
outcomes
as
far
as
success
rates
and
then
also
member
attendance.
So
there
was
a
compilation
conducted
as
far
as
a
number
of
complaints
that
the
fair
teams
have
reviewed
this
year.
Thus
far,
they've
reviewed
1037
complaints,
which
puts
us
I
think
at
a
rate
that
would
be
higher
than
last
year,
which
was
at
1932
of
those
complaints.
K
58
percent
were
resolved
in
outside
the
court,
and
42
percent
were
referred
to
the
court.
So
there's
a
good
success
rate
from
those
Fair
team
involvements.
Other
thing
I
wanted
to
highlight
is
the
Fair
team
attendance
rates.
That's
been
a
focus,
I
think
House
Bill
3
had
some
references
to
Fair
team
involvement,
so
there's
been
some
efforts
to
try
to
increase
the
attendance
of
the
members
and
that's
been
through
a
partnership
with
the
seaac
and
the
react
and
with
the
partnership.
K
The
attendance
from
the
react
members
has
increased
70
percent
for
the
year
to
date
and
overall,
we're
seeing
audience
participation
or
attendance
increase
from
two
to
eight
percent.
So
there
has
been
some
movement
and
shift
as
far
as
helping
as
far
as
the
attendance,
since
that
was
a
a
problem
and
then
there's
also
included
within
your
materials,
a
chart
that
gives
a
breakdown
of
the
percentage
of
the
of
those
folks
that
are
part
of
the
fair
team
and
their
attendance
rates
and
then
also
from
a
case
planning
end.
K
The
CDW
program
is
beginning
efforts
to
shift
from
a
more
of
a
compliance-based
diversion
agreement
into
a
more
of
an
individual
case,
planning
the
hopes
being
that
this
will
allow
the
program
to
be
more
tailored
toward
each
individual
Youth
and
help,
as
far
as
their
own
individual
goals
and
reduce
recidivism
and
there's
Pilots
for
the
new
case
planning
in
11
different
locations,
Madison
McCracken,
Lincoln,
Hopkins,
Pulaski,
Bell,
Grayson,
Trimble,
mcgothan,
Cumberland,
Monroe
and
Campbell,
and
then
I've
already
made
mention
of
the
mental
health
Summit.
It's
also
in
the
report.
K
3.,
that's
requiring
some
manual
revisions
and
form
changes
and
then
also
updates
to
the
fair
team
guidelines
and
training
requirements,
so
that
would
include
the
school
notifications
regarding
the
diversion
use
of
the
electronic
platform
for
fair
team
members,
90-day
requirement
for
the
fair
Team,
Action
guidance
for
ALC,
cdws
and
cds's
on
Parental
cooperation,
updating
the
CDW
case
management
system
and
then,
lastly,
the
openness
and
ceiling
of
juvenile
violent
offender
records,
which
was
also
included
in
House,
Bill,
3
and
piggybacking
off
that
portion
we've,
as
our
legal
folks
have
been
reviewing
and
working
through
the
implementation.
K
We've
identified
a
couple
matters
as
far
as
current
statutes,
in
which
we
have
to
I
think
have
further
discussion
and
dialogue
as
it
relates
to
the
some
conflicts
that
some
of
the
statutes
that
we
currently
have
in
the
books
have
with
the
openness
and
ceiling
of
the
of
the
records.
But
that's
the
LLC
or
report
anything
from
our.
We
do
have
several
AOC
folks
here.
Is
there
anything
else
to
add
there
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
and
recognize.
K
We
have
a
new
executive,
Oscar
officer
for
our
family
and
juvenile
services
and
that's
Ashley
Clark
she's
sitting
up
here.
She'll
begin
that
role,
I
think
on
June
16th,
so
excited
to
have
her
and
and
sad
to
see
our
current
executive
officer,
Chris
Brown,
leaving
so
just
wanted
a
big
mention
of
that
as
well.
But
Ashley's
going
to
do
a
good
job.
She's
got
a
background
in
Juvenile,
Justice
and
she's
been
instrumental
as
we've
been
working
through.
K
J
I
just
have
a
question:
how
how
what
was
the
criteria
for
your
case
plan,
pilots
and
I
just
noticed,
you
have
one
east
of
I-75
out
of
all
those
numbers.
L
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
so
Jefferson
County
is
intentionally
left
off
that
list,
because
we're
having
some
staffing
issues
there
over
50
percent
of
our
staff
are
currently
down
there,
so
we're
wrapping
some
supports
around
them
and
don't
want
to
throw
them
into
that
fire
as
of
yet
the
other.
The
other
11
sites
were
merely
picked
because
we
have
12
supervisor
regions
within
the
CDW
program,
so
we
picked
just
one
of
those
for
each
site,
which
would
we
feel
would
be
a
good
example
for
the
others.
I
Good
afternoon,
Miss
weeder,
thank
you.
Yes,
Christina
weeder,
with
the
Department
of
Education
I'll.
Just
share
briefly
with
with
the
group
that
on
Wednesday,
the
the
sea
act
did
vote
to
create
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
sort
of
a
look
at
the
implications
of
some
language
in
Senate,
Bill
150,
as
far
as
the
part
about
the
parental
consent
for
mental
health
and
and
other
well-being,
assessments,
and
specifically
that
language
is
prior
to
a
well-being,
questionnaire
or
assessment,
or
a
health
screening
form
being
given
to
a
child
for
research
purposes.
I
A
school
district
shall
provide
students,
students,
parents
with
access
to
review
the
material
and
shell
obtained
parental
consent.
Parental
consent
shall
not
be
General
consent
to
these
assessments
or
forms,
but
shall
be
required
for
each
assessment
or
form,
and
so
that
really
we
have
already
started
to
see
that
that
could
have
implications
for
the
administration
of
the
youth
risk.
I
A
You
is
anyone
else
seeking
recognition.
If
not.
Thank
you
again,
commissioner
and
secretary
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you
to
all
the
members
for
being
here.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
Tuesday
June,
the
20th
at
one
o'clock,
and
it's
a
joint
meeting
with
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity.
So
if.