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From YouTube: Commission on Race & Access to Opportunity and Juvenile Justice Oversight Council (6-20-23) Reupload
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00:05:30 – introduction of new Commission on Race and Access to Opportunity member Jim Coleman
00:08:45 – One Lexington presents
01:14:15 – Kentucky Youth Advocates presents
A
Eventful
and
hopefully
productive
meeting
of
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity,
combined
with
another
meeting
as
well,
I
am
state
Senator,
David
Givens
have
the
honor
of
chairing
today's
meeting
and
I
call
to
order
this
first
meeting
of
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity.
I
do
ask
everyone
in
attendance.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones
if
you
would
and
I
will
now
recognize
lead
staff,
Mr,
Brandon,
white
Brandon.
Thank
you
for
two
years
of
service
now
going
on
three
and
committee
staff
assistant,
Brett,
Gillespie
Brett.
A
Thank
you
for
your
continued
support
of
our
effort.
We're
now
going
to
ask
Brett
to
call
the
role
for
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity,
after
which
we
will
turn
to
our
our
chairman,
co-chairman,
Senator
Westerfield
today
for
the
purpose
of
calling
the
role
on
Juvenile,
Justice
oversight,
Council
red.
If
you
would
please
call
the
roll.
C
D
A
D
Think
I,
thank
you
all
for
being
willing
to
let
the
two
groups
meet
together,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
the
mission
of
these
two
groups
and
the
the
youth
that
are
a
focus
for
the
jgoc.
Racial
disparities
has
certainly
been
an
object
of
our
discussion
over
the
last
several
years,
so
I'm
thankful
for
the
time
we
get
to
spend
together
before
I.
Have
our
role
called
I
want
to
recognize
our
newest
member
Dr
Katie
Marks
who's.
D
The
commissioner
of
dbhdid,
all
of
the
commission
on
Race
members,
are
going
to
need
to
tell
us
what
that
acronym
is
it's
a
pop
quiz,
I'm
just
kidding
department
for
Behavioral,
Health,
Developmental
and
intellectual
disabilities.
Take
that
down
or
memorize
dbhdid
Dr
Mark
glad
to
have
you
yes,
ma'am
Mr
secretary
or
Madam
Secretary
mistress.
You
want
to
call
the
roll
who's,
calling
the
role
for
us
Brett.
Please.
E
G
A
D
H
A
D
You
know
we
do
our
business
up
here
this
by
the
way,
has
nothing
to
do
with
Juvenile
Justice
or
the
commissional
race
at
all,
but
I
wanted
to
I
wanted
to
just
put
this
on
your
Radars.
You
know
we
do
our
business
up
here.
We
work.
We
look
at
legislation,
we
argue
and
bicker
about
it.
We
vote
we
override.
D
And
this
morning
at
10
o'clock,
there
was
a
change
in
command
at
with
101st
Airborne
Division
in
Fort
Campbell
at
10
o'clock
this
morning,
where
General
McGee
our
relinquished
command
to
Major,
General,
Brett,
Sylvia
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
that
and
remind
you
all
that
that
kind
of
stuff
goes
on
while
we're
doing
what
we
do
and
I'm
thankful
for
the
people
that
serve
where
they
serve
and
protect
us
at
Fort,
Campbell
at
Fort,
Knox
and
everywhere
else.
All
right,
that's
out
of
the
way
Mr
chairman.
A
Well,
chair,
thank
you
and
I
want
to
take
just
a
moment
and
recognize.
We
do
have
a
new
member
on
the
commission
of
race
and
access
to
opportunity,
appreciative
of
O.J,
o'lake
and
his
years
of
service,
but
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
and
offer
him
the
chance
to
speak
briefly,
because
I
know
his
passion
and
he
speaks
not
only
eloquently,
but
he
can
also
speak
at
length,
so
Jim
Coleman
honored,
to
have
you
on
board
turn
your
mic
on.
Introduce
yourself
to
the
group
and
thanks
for
joining
the
team.
G
Thank
you
very
much
Senator.
It
is
a
pleasure
being
here
and
thank
you
for
this
great
opportunity.
I've
got
a
little
farm
over
in
Lexington
Kentucky,
Coleman,
Crest
farm
and
I'm
passionate
about
Workforce
Development
and
making
sure
that
all
of
our
residents
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
are
prosperous
and
successful.
H
A
I
Really
excited
about
some
of
the
work
that
we've
done
really
excited
about.
The
conversations
we're
having
I
know
that
in
the
past
six
months,
we've
come
to
some
pretty
pretty
impactful
decisions
and
I
think
that
we're
going
to
need
to
continue
those
discussions,
critical
conversations
with
a
common
goal
of
ever
everyone
prospering
and
we're
going
to
make
we're
gonna
have
to
make
some
tough
decisions.
I
I
I
think
that
when
you're
talking
about
issues
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
in
both
of
these
committees
today,
there's
nothing
there's
that
could
be
any
easy
answers,
because
there's
no
easy
road
with
this,
it's
going
to
be
a
tough
path,
and
but
it's
critical
I
think
we're
to
the
point
right
now
where
it
is
going
to
be
critical,
that
we
do
take
action.
So
I'm
very
excited
about
being
being
here,
I'm
very
excited
about.
Listening
to
the
committee
today
and
I'm
really
excited
about
some
of
the
work
that
we've
got
planned.
A
Well
said,
any
other
members
of
either
groups
wishing
to
make
any
statements
before
we
move
on
into
the
the
process
and
the
agenda
of
the
day.
One
of
the
things
we're
always
Guided
by,
as
as
our
work
on
the
commission
has
taught
us
over
the
two
plus
years,
is
to
reiterate
that
opening
statement
of
our
purpose,
and
so
it's
very
appropriate
that
I
share
with
all
those
listening
and
or
watching
our
mission
statement,
purpose.
Statement.
A
With
that
I'm
excited
to
introduce
our
first
agenda
item.
For
the
day
the
one
Lexington
group
is
going
to
be
coming
forward
to
the
table.
If
they'll
come
on
up
to
the
table,
they're
going
to
be
providing
a
program
overview,
and
we
ask
that
director
as
you
and
your
your
other
members
of
the
presentation
group
come
to
the
table
once
you're
seated
make
sure
all
your
microphones
are
showing
that
green
light.
You'll
push
the
button
it'll
be
a
bright
green
light.
A
J
J
One
Lexington
was
created
by
our
previous
mayor
back
in
2027
or
back
in
2017
in
response
to
the
shooting
of
Tyson
Gay's
daughter
and
Tyson.
Gay
was
an
Olympic
track
star
from
Lexington
Kentucky,
and
so
that
incident
made
national
news,
and
so
one
Lexington
was
created.
Obviously
in
the
Years
following
we
got
hit
with
the
the
pandemic
and
like
many
other
agencies
or
programs
that
kind
of
stalled
out
so
post
pandemic,
as
well
as
the
social
unrest
of
2020
like
cities
all
over
the
country.
J
We
chose
that
age
per
view
because
when
you
look
at
the
data
going
back
five
ten
years,
the
drivers
of
violence
and
those
being
impacted
fell
within
that
age
group,
and
so,
when
I
took
over
in
2021,
like
many
cities,
we
were
in
crisis
my
first
week
on
the
job
we
had
four
juvenile
shot
that
week,
and
so
things
were
really
bad,
and
so
we
were
tasked
with
two
things.
Obviously,
there
was
an
election
season
looming
the
next
year.
J
We
were
in
the
middle
of
Crisis
and
we
had
to
stop
the
bleeding
immediately,
but
also
there
was
a
responsibility
of
creating
a
plan
to
make
sure
we
weren't
back
here
and
another
5
10
15
20
years.
So
how
do
we
focus
on
the
root
causes
devise
this
overall
plan,
while
also
trying
to
stop
the
bleeding
in
the
immediate?
And
so
the
first
thing
that
we
did
I
used
to
to
laugh
and
joke.
J
But
a
lot
of
what
we
were
seeing
was
because
of
not
just
the
pandemic,
but
the
social
unrest,
and
so
there
wasn't
much
data
out
there
yet
because
we
were
still
in
the
middle
of
it
in
summer
of
2021.
But
there
were
some
practical
things.
Some
things
that
focused
more
on
the
root
causes
that
we
did
pull
from
some
other
cities,
but
then
also
what
we
did
is
we
pulled
under
the
tutelage
of
cities
United?
Who
was
our
national
partner?
J
J
J
J
and
obviously
this
isn't
something
we
celebrate,
because
there
are
still
people
that
have
lost
their
lives.
But
we
do
think
that
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
our
Community
Partners
is
making
a
difference
and
making
an
impact
and
I
think
there's
some
things
that
we
are
doing
that
could
be
replicated
in
other
spaces
and
maybe
not
the
work
itself,
but
the
way
that
we
went
about
on
creating
it
and
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
just
a
couple
of
highlights
of
things
that
we're
doing
in
each
element
of
the
peer
model.
J
And
if
you
need
to
stop
me
because
I'm
A
hip-hop
artist
by
trade,
so
I
get
the
flowing.
So
you
can
stop
me
and
slow
me
down,
and
we
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
what
y'all
laughing
for
so
through
prevention.
The
way
that
we
characterize
prevention
is
how
do
we
stop
gun
violence
before
it
happens,
and
obviously
the
biggest
part
of
that
which
could
be
a
whole
30-minute
session
in
itself,
is
going
deep
into
the
root
causes
that
lead
to
gun,
violence
and,
obviously
through
our
research.
J
But
then
it's
also
been
confirmed
through
some
of
our
programming
are
the
very
things
that
people
were
protesting
about
in
2020.
When
you
talk
about
systemic
racism
and
redlining
and
gentrification,
when
you
talk
about
food
insecurity,
the
metronome
of
everything
that
we
are
doing
right
now
seems
to
be
mental
health
and
Trauma.
J
We
work
currently
with
12
different
schools
within
the
Fayette
County
School
System.
We
work
directly
with
the
Friskies
those
Friskies
identify
15
to
20
students
who
have
either
been
directly
impacted
by
gun.
Violence
already
engaged
in
some
type
of
conflict
or
are
suffering
from
some
of
those
root
causes
that
we
mentioned
before,
and
then
we
come
in
with
our
Community
Partners
and
we
engage
in
a
weekly
mentoring
session
and
I
lean
on
weekly,
because
anything
less
than
weekly
is
just
a
photo
op
that
makes
people
feel
good.
J
These
kids
are
most
underserved,
kids
need
consistency,
and
sometimes
we
have
to
fight
I
wish.
We
could
get
in
there
two
or
three
times
a
week
right,
but
they
still
got
to
go
to
class
and
so
weekly
we
come
in
and
we
focus
on
things
that
teachers
just
don't
have
time
to
focus
on,
because
their
mandate
is
to
teach
our
kids.
So
we
come
in
and
talk
about,
substance
use
disorder.
We
come
in
and
talk
about
mental
health
and
Trauma
with
the
trauma-informed
care
approach.
J
We
talk
about
conflict
resolution,
we're
talking
about
the
difference
between
what
these
rappers
are
talking
about
in
drill,
music
and
the
reality.
We're
talking
about
social
media
money
management
and
we're
plugging
in
the
gaps
and
we're
partnering
with
our
school
system
to
talk
about
the
things
that
they
might
not
have
time
to
cover,
and
then
that
translated
into
our
summer
program,
which
we
extend
into
two
days
a
week
for
a
full
day-
and
we
not
only
still
focus
on
some
of
these
skill
building
things.
J
J
What
I
found
in
this
work
is
that
you
can't
serve
Youth
Without
serving
the
family,
because
you
can
have
them
for
a
day.
You
can
have
them
for
a
few
hours,
but
they
have
to
go
right
back
into
conditions
that
leave
them
susceptible
to
different
things.
So
we
have
to
go
into
the
homes
and
figure
out
what
are
ways
that
we
can
provide
wraparound
services
for
the
families
and
support
those
families.
J
Another
thing
that
we
do
from
the
prevention
side
is
our
one
Lexington
grant
program,
which
is
putting
money
directly
into
the
hands
of
those
who
are
already
on
the
ground.
Doing
the
work.
Lord
knows
and
I
come
from
a
Grassroots
background,
literally
in
the
streets,
doing
the
work,
and
we
don't
need
government
controlling
every
single
program.
We
have
amazing
organizations
in
Lexington
who
have
been
doing
this
work
for
years
well
vetted
already
connected
to
the
community,
and
so
our
job
is.
How
do
we
get
this
these
resources
into
their
hands?
J
J
Build
their
capacity
help
them
to
get
their
501c3
help
them
to
build
their
board,
so
they
can
access
other
funding
opportunities,
and
so
that
is
something
that
one
Lexington
is
really
focused
on:
moving
from
a
programmatic
space,
more
into
a
a
facilitator,
amplifying
others,
and
so
unfortunately,
as
I
move
into
intervention.
This
is
where
the
majority
of
our
time
and
resources
have
been
spent
in
2020,
2021
and
2022,
and
that
is
intervention.
J
That
is
how
will
re
responding
once
gun?
Violence
has
already
happened
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
gun,
violence,
post
pandemic,
and
so
one
thing
that
we
pulled
I
think
San
Francisco
was
doing
at
Newark
is
doing
it.
Philadelphia
is
doing
it.
One
thing
that
we
we
learned
early
on
was
our
weekly
violence
intervention
team
meetings.
When
I
first
started
with
one
Lexington
and
an
incident
of
gun
violence
happens
right,
it
could
be
a
fatal
shooting.
A
house
gets
shot
up.
I
found
myself
on
the
phone.
J
Sending
emails
reaching
out
to
people
through
a
48-hour
period
that
felt
like
I
was
chasing
my
tail
searching
for
resources,
trying
to
get
answers
trying
to
get
contacts
and
by
the
time
you
got
a
hold
of
this
person.
This
person
was
unavailable.
Then
you
get
this
person
this
person's
on
vacation
right,
but
in
our
work
seconds
a
life
could
be
gone
and
a
lot
of
what
we
see
is
retaliatory.
So
I
don't
have
48
hours
to
Chase
my
tail.
So
these
violence,
intervention
team
meetings
consist
of
and
it's
a
running
meeting
every
week.
J
That
Kenneth
does
a
great
job
in
leading
our
crisis
response,
and
our
crisis
response
is:
how
are
we
as
a
city,
responding
to
gun,
violence,
incidents
and
and
a
lot
of
cities
only
focus
on
fatal
shootings,
but
we
focus
on
non-fatal,
but
then
we
also
focus
on
non-injury
shootings,
because
when
a
house
gets
shot
up
and
there's
a
five-year-old
laying
in
the
bed,
sleep
that's
awoken
by
gunfire
and
the
bullets
disclosed
from
their
head.
It
may
not
make
the
news
because
nobody
was
hit,
but
that
child
is
suffering
from
trauma.
J
J
Gap
there
was
that
language
barrier
there
was
that
distrust
between
that
community
and
government,
and
so
there
were
a
lot
of
resources
that
we
wanted
to
give
to
this
community,
who
was
being
impacted
by
gun
violence,
but
we
couldn't
get
the
resources
to
them
because
of
that
disconnect
and
so
Nestor
who
lives
in
that
area
was
born
in
Mexico
now
Pastor
is
a
church
in
the
area.
Has
a
unique
understanding
of
that
Community.
He
is
now
our
Outreach
advocate
for
Cardinal
Valley
and
now
for
the
first
time
that
that
I
can
really
remember.
J
But
I
do
want
to
skip
to
one
thing,
because
I
think
it
is
important
to
mention,
and
this
could
go
in
prevention
or
intervention,
but
that
is
our
our
youth
mediation
because
of
our
relationship
with
the
school
system.
Whenever
two
students
engage
in
a
conflict
in
school
and
the
school
Fields.
This
is
something
that
could
spill
out
into
the
street
into
the
neighborhood
and
can
become
more
serious.
They
reach
out
to
one
Lexington.
J
We
deploy
our
staff
or
our
Community
Partners,
and
we
come
in
and
we
mediate
that
conflict
and
nine
times
out
of
ten.
If
there
have
been
a
death
involved
in
this
conflict,
we
are
able
to
mediate
that,
and
these
are
young
people
who
are
talking
about
us
on
site.
When
I
see
you
outside
of
school,
it's
going
down,
and
so
we
come
in.
We
pull
not
just
the
youth,
but
we
pull
the
family
together.
J
We
pull
in
those
with
the
lived
experience
who
have
connections
with
these
young
people
and
you'll
see
the
Common
Thread
through
everything
we
do
it's
all
about
Partnerships
and
we
come
in
and
we
mediate
those
conflicts,
and
so
that's
just
again
just
a
snapshot
of
some
of
the
stuff
that
our
Community
Partners
are
doing
through
intervention.
I
can
move
through
the
next
element
of
peer
pretty
quickly
because
we
don't
have
any
enforcement
capabilities,
but
the
E
is
for
enforcement,
and
that
is
for
for
our
partners
and
friends
and
Public
Safety.
J
J
Because
it
is
generational
right
from
a
young
age,
maybe
some
of
the
things
they've
even
experienced
within
their
neighborhoods,
so
we
are
working
bringing
in
officers
into
our
mentoring
program,
so
our
kids
can
see
them
not
just
when
the
rest
are
being
made,
but
they
can
see
them
as
an
ally,
maybe
a
partner,
but
then
also
the
police
department.
They
have
owners,
they
they
have
some
a
part
to
play
in
this
and
I
believe
our
Mayors
have
done
a
great
job
in
providing
more
funding
for
neighborhood
resource
officers.
J
These
are
officers
with
a
unique
connection
to
a
specific
part
of
the
city,
so
they're
out
there
going
door
to
door
they're
engaging
with
these
young
people
so
that
these
communities
aren't
only
seeing
law
enforcement
when
arrests
are
being
made,
and
so
I
believe.
One
Lexington's
part
in
enforcement
is
just
helping
to
continue
to
bridge
that
Gap
and
then
the
final
part
of
that
peer
model
is
is
probably
was
our
biggest
Gap
I
would
say
last
year,
and
that
is
re-entry
work.
J
J
How
can
we
support
those
individuals?
More
and
I
believe
the
city
is
doing
great?
It
has
got
to
work
Workforce
Development
program.
Tiffany
is
doing
a
great
job
with
expungement
clinics
through
her
role
in
the
mayor
office,
we're
working
with
Goodwill
ignite,
which
specifically
provides
Second
Chance
opportunities
for
young
people
who
are
coming
out
of
the
system
and
so
jubilee
jobs.
There's
a
lot
of
great
organizations
focused
on
re-entry
work.
I
would
love
to
see
there
be
a
little
bit
more
collaboration
and
I
think
the
city
is
leading
in
that
effort.
J
But
I
want
to
say
this
before
I
conclude,
because
I
think
this
is
another
part
of
that
re-entry
just
isn't
supporting
those
coming
home.
But
what
we
are
finding
out
in
Lexington
is.
We
have
judges
there
who
per
their
data
in
research,
believe
that
locking
children
up
and
throwing
away
the
key
is
not
the
answer
to
a
safer
community
and
I
can't
really
be
mad
at
that
right.
J
But
on
the
same
token,
in
our
work,
we're
realizing
that
a
lack
of
accountability
is
hurting
us
because
there's
nothing
on
the
other
end,
there's
not
that
brick
wall
on
the
other
end
to
help
us
when
it
comes
to
engaging
the
most
vulnerable
use.
So
what
do
you
do
and
so
I
believe?
That's
an
opportunity
for
the
community
and
our
Community
Partners
and
even
Frankfurt,
to
help
to
create
more
alternative
sentencing
programs
for
the
judges
to
utilize.
J
So,
okay,
you
may
feel
locking
them
up
and
throwing
away
the
kid
and
the
answer,
but
giving
them
a
slap
on
the
wrist.
Isn't
the
answer
either,
and
so
our
judges
in
Lexington
have
done
a
great
job.
Utilizing
alternative
sentencing
programs
like
omac,
like
the
voyage
Movement
Like,
made
that
still
provide
that
accountability,
but
in
a
different
way,
and
so
again
that
is
just
some
of
the
work
that
we
have
been
blessed
to
do
through
one
Lexington.
J
D
J
D
Kind
of
opened
up
to
any
other
questions
that
the
members
may
have
yeah
overarching
question.
There
are
some
things
government
can
do
and
some
things
government
can't
do.
This
is
a
question.
That's
specifically
targeted
towards
what
government
can
do?
What
do
the
Youth
of
Kentucky
most
need?
In
your
opinion,
whether
it's
in
our
Urban
and
bigger
city
environments,
we're
in
a
rural
environment,
yeah.
J
I
think
I
I
kind
of
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
earlier.
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
trauma-informed
care
approaches
and
access
to
Affordable
mental
health.
Okay,
every
sector
that
we
get
into
even
through
my
own
non-profit
work
I,
do
a
lot
of
work
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
you
know
and
they
dealing
with
some
of
the
same
issues
and
the
hollers
that
the
kids
that
we
work
with
every
day
in
the
hood
is
dealing
with
and
I
think
that
Mental
Health
Access
is
something
that
all
of
our
kids
need.
Thank.
D
J
We
need
what
was
the
tone
what
was
going
on
when
the
the
victim
came
into
the
hospital.
We
need
that
context
to
help
us
understand
this.
Retaliatory
violence,
imminent
UK,
trauma
center
and
their
team
is
usually
on
the
call
because
of
our
age
purview
13
to
29.
We
usually
get
incidences
that
involve
juveniles,
and
so
the
school
system
is
also
on
the
call
so
a
lot
of
times
they
send
out
support
of
their
own,
but
then
they
can
also
give
us
added
context.
What
are
you
going
to
say?
Larry.
K
K
We
have
also
the
Lexington
rescue
mission,
who
is
one
of
our
Community
Partners,
who
helped
provide
resources
such
as
right,
Street,
Outreach,
supports
such
as
temporary
housing
and,
and
things
like
that.
Sometimes
we
need
people
to
to
move
from
their
right
community
and
stay
in
temporary
housing
or
relocation.
D
The
the
my
last
question
chairman
and
you
just
hit
on
it
again.
You
mentioned
that
a
lot
of
the
the
instances
and
by
the
way,
I
I'm
grateful
that
you're,
not
looking
at
only
the
fatalities,
I
think
you're,
absolutely
right.
The
cases
that
aren't
ended
up
in
the
news
there's
still
trauma
there,
there's
still
harm,
there's
still
fear.
There
are
still
things
that
need
to
be
responded
to.
D
You
said
that
and
I
don't
put
words
in
your
mouth.
Maybe
you
said
most,
maybe
you
said
a
lot
but
they're
retaliatory
in
nature.
These
incidents
of
gun
violence,
you
did
mention
a
school
response
and
that
you
all
are
called
into
the
schools.
But
before
you
said
that
my
my
question
was
how
in
the
world,
do
you
combat
that?
How
do
you?
How
do
you
get
people
to
cool
off
so
that
the
first
response
is
in
a
retaliatory
response?.
J
J
I
think
85
percent
of
our
in-school
mentoring
program
participants
this
year
didn't
have
a
father
in
the
home,
so
I
think
that
that
is
a
huge
part
of
it
filling
the
Gap
in
with
with
mentors,
but
then
there's
a
cultural
aspect
to
this.
When
we
talk
about
the
music,
we
talk
about
social
media
and
then
for
us
I'll
be
honest
and
I
know
I'm,
probably
one
of
the
least
political
people
you'll
ever
meet.
So
when
I
say
this,
I
speak
strictly
from
being
in
the
street.
J
Doing
this
work
on
a
weekly
basis,
the
amount
of
firearms
that
are
in
possession
of
juveniles,
sometimes
I
wonder
if
we're
chasing
our
tail,
like
their
access,
I
had
a
14
year
old.
Tell
me
once
Mr
Devine,
it's
easier
for
me
to
get
a
gun
than
to
get
a
job
and
that
it
really
shocked
me
and
it
brought
me
back
to
and
I'll
be
really
quick
I'm,
a
father
of
girls,
and
so
my
oldest
daughter
is
21..
J
I
have
another
daughter
that
would
have
turned
22
this
year.
She
passed
in
2020.,
but
as
a
girl,
dad
I,
remember
telling
my
daughters,
your
body,
is
your
temple,
wait
till
you're
married.
You
know
guys
only
want
one
thing
right:
giving
that
little
speech,
hoping
that
they
would
save
it
then
I
remember
in
their
teenage
years
reaching
a
point
where
something
had
changed
and
dad
had
to
look
in
the
mirror
and
change.
J
His
message:
I
had
to
read
the
writing
on
the
wall
and
realize
okay,
it's
time
for
me
to
stop
telling
them
to
wait
until
they
get
married
and
now
I
need
to
tell
them
to
protect
themselves,
and
that
was
a
hard
conversation
as
a
dad
to
have
with
himself
right
I
believe
we
are
at
a
unique
place
now
and
I.
Don't
know
what
that
conversation
looks
like
when
it
comes
to
firearms
right.
J
It's
different
what
we
are
seeing
in
the
streets
right
now
and
I
realize
it
may
be
different
depending
on
where
you
are
in
Kentucky,
but
in
Lexington.
What
we
are
seeing
is
you
wouldn't
believe
it?
It's
unfathomable,
the
access
that
they
have
the
high
power
firearms
and
how
many
are
in
possession
I've
had
Firearms
going
off
as
I'm
out
doing
engagement,
walks,
I've,
seen
youth
on
a
regular
basis,
brandishing
open
carrying
firearms
and
so
I.
Don't
know
what
that
conversation
looks
like,
but
that
is
a
definitely
a
huge
reality.
K
If
I
may
add,
I
would
like
to
to
definitely
emphasize
the
value
of
building
relationships
with
communities
and
with
families
yeah
and
after
there's
a
shooting
and
Kenneth
can
talk
more
about
that.
We
have
a
crisis
response
team
that
actually
goes
into
that
Community,
not
just
to
to
the
house
that
may
have
been
involved
in
the
incident,
but
we
build
those
relationships
with
the
community.
We
go
up
and
down
the
streets
after
a
shooting
right
in
that
Community
Building
relationships,
so
those
relationships.
K
If
we
can't
reach
the
persons
who
are
involved,
maybe
the
community
person
can
that's
right.
Our
mayor
has
made
a
conservative
effort
of
meeting
with
the
mothers
of
victims.
Sometimes
these
mothers
have
children
who
have
been
involved
in
one
way
or
another
sometime
and
by
building
those
relationships
we
are
able
to
have
an
influence
as
well
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
those
things.
K
C
You
chairman
and
thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
presenting
today.
This
was
a
lot
of
really
good
information
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done
in
creating
a
model
that
sounds
very
strategic
and
very
inclusive
in
terms
of
Partnerships,
as
well
as
all
the
communities
that
are
potentially
impacted.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
on
the
youth
mediation
piece.
I
think
you
mentioned
it
and
I
know,
there's
some
explanation
in
our
materials
but
specifically
with
regard
to
who
is
involved
in
the
mediation.
I
know.
J
So
our
crisis
response
Advocates
that
we
mentioned
as
part
of
our
crisis
response.
Whenever
there's
a
shooting,
though
those
are
usually
the
same
individuals
that
we
use
for
our
youth
mediation
and
our
mediators,
and
we
got
about
four
or
five
other
mediators
that
are
Community
Partners,
that
are
part
of
that
Collective
and
all
of
them
have
been
trained
by
Green
Dot
through
bystander
awareness
training.
We
are
in
the
process
of
scheduling
the
training
with
Dr
Woods
out
of
Louisville
for
violence,
disruption,
trauma,
informed
care,
training,
conflict
resolution,
training,
and
so
usually
it
looks
like
this.
J
J
Usually
we
choose
a
community
partner
or
a
crisis
response
Advocate
that
has
a
unique
connection
either
to
that
child
or
the
neighborhood
that
that
child
lives
in
Mr
Larry
said
it
perfectly
it's
all
about
relationships,
especially
when
you
ask
how
do
we
get
in
their
minds
and
hearts?
How
do
we
mediate
and
stop
some
of
this
stuff
from
happening?
It's
all
about
relationships,
there's
a
lot
of
kids
that
I
can
reach,
but
there's
some
kids,
my
my
time
in
the
street
wasn't
long.
J
It
wasn't
extensive
I
put
in
a
little
work,
but
not
a
lot.
We
got
some
brothers
who
did
10
15
years
in
prison
were
ex-gang
members,
and
sometimes
you
need
somebody
with
that
level
of
lived
experience
to
come
in
and
speak
to
some
of
these
kids
because
their
message
is
going
to
resonate.
Sometimes
you
need
somebody.
J
Who's
never
been
involved
in
anything
that
can
come
in
and
also
show
that
kid
that
there's
another
pathway
and
so
for
us,
it's
all
about
relationships
once
we
get
in
and
we've
been
very
successful
with
our
mediations
and
we
usually
follow
up
for
about
six
months
and
so
I
think
the
hardest
part
is
when
a
homicide
happens
when
one
of
these
young
people
lose
a
loved
one
or
a
friend.
That's
when
it's
really
hard
to
mediate
a
conflict
so
the
earlier
we
can
get
to
it,
the
better
our
chances
are.
L
L
L
So
I
have
two
questions:
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
deeper
about
what
it
exactly
it
is
that
you
all
need
from
us
at
the
state
level,
and
then
you
also
talked
about
a
trauma-informed
care.
Are
you
all
doing
any
type
of
healing
work
as
well,
because
obviously
our
young
people,
as
you
talked
about
a
kid
May
there
may
be
a
drive
by
at
somebody's
house.
Somebody
is
not
deceased,
but
they
may
get
shot,
may
not
got
shot.
They
may
just
be
in
that
that
area.
J
So
we're
also
trying
to
break
the
stigma
of
mental
health
and
trauma
support,
especially
within
a
black
community.
So
it
starts
there
before
we
can
even
create
the
space
once
we
do
that
successfully.
I
know
right
now
we
have
two
different
organizations
that
we're
working
with
with
our
kids
and
our
summer
youth
program.
Now
the
majority
of
our
kids
are
kids
of
color,
one
of
the
main
things
that
we
hear
from
young
people
and
their
parents.
When
it
comes
to
mental
health.
J
These
organizations
that
we
work
with
create
opportunities
for
families
to
access
more
extensive
therapy
and
counseling
for
these
students
that
need
it,
and
so
we're
really
breaking
down
walls
when
it
comes
to
that
some
of
the
things
I
to
answer
your
your
second
question:
I'm
going
backwards,
some
things
that
we
jotted
down
and
we're
really
big
and
not
putting
ourselves
in
the
middle
of
these
Solutions,
but
really
listening
to
folks.
So
this
isn't
necessarily
Divine
Karama
saying
this,
but
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
found
talking
to
people.
J
We
are
allocating
quite
a
bit
of
funding
to
support
families
who
have
lost
loved
ones
to
gun
violence
and
that
might
be
temporary
housing
because
they're
being
targeted
that
might
be
relocation
that
might
be
helping
a
mother
who
just
lost
her
son
to
gun,
violence
and
and
fell
out
of
work.
Now
she's
lost
her
job
and
we're
coming
in
helping
her
with
rent
and
bills.
It
might
be
funeral
expenses,
it
might
be.
Mental,
Health,
Resources
and
so
victim.
Services
is
definitely
something
possibly
Frankfurt
could
help,
with
obviously
more
grant
funding
for
Grassroots
organizations.
J
I
think
one
unique
thing
we
did
with
ours
is
obviously
most
grant.
Opportunities
are
for
501c3
organizations,
but
what
about
those
Grassroots
organizations
who
have
kind
of
systemically
been
left
out
of
the
know-how?
Don't
know
what
a
501c3
is,
but
they're
doing,
life-changing
work.
We
allow
them
to
access
a
fiscal
sponsor
and
they
can
apply
through
someone
who
does
have
their
501c3
and
still
get
a
grant
with
us.
J
They
can
go
to
this
Collective
get
the
Mental
Health
Resources
they
need
in
the
state,
pays
for
that
and
then
obviously
the
last
thing
and
again
I
is
y'all's
job.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
how
to
go
about
this,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
guns
on
the
street,
just
easy,
easy
access,
and
so
obviously
that
is
nothing
we
can
do
on
the
local
level.
But
it
is
something
we
are
hitting
the
face
with
every
day
and
youth
jobs.
K
Another
thing
we're
doing
is
we
understand
that
a
lot
of
these
young
people
have
lost
relatives
not
just
to
gun
violence,
but
to
covet
relatives
to
sickness
and
disease
and
other
things
as
well
as
gun
violence,
and
it's
very
and
in
many
cases
they
have
unaddressed,
grief
and
grieving
issues,
and
so,
when
it
comes
to
Healing,
we
we
bring
in
and
we
promote
grieving
sessions
and
tactics.
So
that's
very
important
with
us
when
it
comes
to
the
healing
aspect
that
you
question
us
about.
Those
are
things
that
we
do
representative.
L
No
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
all
for
answering
those
questions
and
for
your
work
and
I
will
make
sure
that
I
do
the
best
that
I
can
here
to
get
our
colleagues
to
to
put
some
money
and
resources
and
come
up
with
some
solutions
that
we
at
the
state
level
can
help
you
all
in
Lexington,
as
well
as
folks
in
Louisville
across
the
state.
Thank.
A
A
M
Talk
to
us
and
and
and
let
us
let
us
be
your
your
Champion
if
you
will
to
to
carry
legislation
forward,
so
I
would
ask
that
of
you.
I
think
that
the
pure
concept-
and
this
is
the
first
time
that
I've
I've,
seen
you
all
and
worked
with
Larry
for
years
and
years
and
years
in
Divine,
we've
been
hitting
and
missing
each
other
yeah
and
and
I'm
a
subject
of
a
drive-by
that
when
the
street
lights
come
on
in
my
neighborhood
I
go
upstairs
now
yeah.
M
So
it
is
certainly
something
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
and
understand.
I
think
there
are
two
things
that
I
would
like
for
you
to
address,
and
you
you
did
superficially,
but
employment
for
for
young
people
and
also
re-entry
and
and
I
think
also
job
training,
yeah
or
training,
because
a
lot
of
young
people
tell
me
well,
I
can't
get
a
job.
Nobody
will
hire
me
and
I.
Ask
them
several
questions.
Can
you
fix
something?
Can
you
make
something?
Can
you
build
something?
M
M
J
I'll
speak
to
this
specifically
and
not
to
be
you
know
redundant,
but
on
what
we
spoke
on
earlier,
but
one
thing
I've
noticed
and
again
I'm.
You
know
not
trying
to
be
corny
or
nothing
but
like
it's
all
about
Partnerships,
because
I
think
what's
working
at
Lexington
is
we're
constantly
in
touch
we're
working
together
so
much
that
we're
adopting
the
same
language.
J
Therefore,
the
expectations
are
the
same
for
all
of
these
young
people,
regardless
of
where
they
go,
whether
they
come
in
the
UK
trauma
suffering
from
a
gunshot,
whether
they
are
speaking
to
a
judge
and
a
prosecutor,
whether
they
come
into
one
of
these
alternative
programs
or
they
go
to
the
school
system.
We
are
all
using
the
same
language
and
we
have
the
same
expectation.
Therefore
they
are
not
falling
through
the
gaps,
and
so
you,
even
when
I
look
at
some
of
the
struggles
we've
had
in
employers,
hiring
young
people.
J
They
talk
about
them,
not
being
Workforce
ready
from
their
temperament
from
their
commitment
to
Their
Manners.
Those
are
things
that
our
mentors
focus
on
in
our
mentoring
groups.
So,
even
though
these
employers
and
and
omac
aren't
working
directly
together,
what
is
being
instilled
in
omac
is
going
to
make
them
Workforce
ready
when
they
go
to
these
employers,
and
so
I
think
those
constant
conversations
that
these
cross-sector
organizations
are
having
has
been
huge
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
continue
and
even
speak
into
your
opening
of.
J
We
just
need
to
have
more
open
communication
with
you
all
just
we
can
let
you
know
what
we're
getting
from
the
people,
because
your
sentiment
to
us
is
our
sentiment
to
the
people
that
we
serve
we're
not
here.
For
us,
we
are
giving
you
what
the
people
is
get
are
giving
us,
and
so
I
I
believe
that
these
kind
of
conversations
is
is
how
we
make
sure
people,
people
don't
fall
through
the
cracks
Mr.
K
Chairman
representative
Brown
can
I,
can
I
add
one.
Yes,
one
of
the
things
that
that
I'm
hearing
is
the
need
for
younger
people
to
be
able
to
work
to
be
in
positions
and
to
be
mentored
in
those
environments.
We
focus
largely
on
and
I
know,
Tyler's
sitting
here
with
us,
our
high
schoolers,
but
those
younger
people
are
left
to
at
a
younger
age,
in
junior
high
to
develop
habits
and
and
to
be
introduced
to
negative
elements
that
they
wouldn't
be
vulnerable
to
if
they
could
work
as
well.
K
So
we
have
that
limit
of
hours
if
they
can
work
where
it's
not
productive
and
we
have
them
left
to
their
own
devices
because
of
their
age
and
we're
hearing
it
everywhere
in
the
community.
Over
and
over
you
have
to
address
those
younger
people.
You
have
to
give
them
more
positive,
structured
activities
not
just
to
make
money,
but
because
it
puts
them
in
touch
with
adults
who
are
positive.
That's
mentorship,
that's
structured
environments,
that's
also
income.
K
M
Excuse
Mr
shared
someone.
Please
proceed
the
the
last
point
in
your
in
your
peer
model,
re-entry
re-entry
is
critical
and
important.
That
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
re-entry
programs
for
those
people
who
have
been
incarcerated,
served
their
time
and
and
and
and
then
are
coming
out
and
and
the
opportunities
for
them
are
very
small.
So
I'd
like
to
see
us
be
involved
in
that
re-entry
piece
as
well.
H
Sharing
the
details
a
little
a
little
bit
prematurely,
but
I
think
the
mayor
would
be
pretty
excited
to
tell
this
we're
talking
about
today.
We
are
actually
rethinking
the
way
we're
doing.
We
do
some
of
our
work
for
the
Workforce
Development,
exactly
the
way,
you're
we're
talking
we're
re-engaging,
our
our
private
sector
and
and
looking
at
lesson
right
now,
we're
at
record
low
unemployment.
We
have
very
few
pockets
of
the
population
less
to
go
to
we're
using
that
as
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
re-entry
and
giving
former
felons
another
chance.
H
So
what
we're
getting
ready
to
launch
with
a
large
large
amount
of
our
our
typical
Workforce
Development
funding,
is
our
Second
Chance
Academy
and
the
way
we've
crafted.
This
is
We've.
We've
contracted
with
jubilee
jobs,
who
typically
runs
a
fantastic
Workforce
program.
You
show
up
at
their
door
on
nine
o'clock
on
a
Monday
morning.
You
need
to
learn
how
to
write
a
resume.
You
need
some
kind
of
entry-level
skill
that
matches
up
with
sectors
in
our
community
who
are
looking
for
jobs
and
they
work
you
through.
H
What
we
do
is
sit
down
with
them
and
say:
can
you
dial
that
back?
Can
you
go
into
our
jails
and
start
this
program
we'll
help
you
identify
those
who
are
ready,
90,
60,
30
days
out?
Can
you
start
there
and
having
them
connected
to
employment
the
day
they
leave
and
so
we're
looking
at
starting
that
next
month,
it's
a
new
program
that
we've
never
tried
before,
but
we
thought
it's
an
opportunity.
We
wouldn't
want
to
miss.
N
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
All
I
am
refreshed
by
Your
Enthusiasm.
As
you
all
talk
about
this,
you
can
tell
it
radiates
from
each
of
you
also.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
here
to
talk
to
us
much
like
you
all,
I,
think
a
lot
of
the
conversation
here
with
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity.
N
Opportunity
came
after
the
summer
of
2020
and
so
I
appreciate
you
all
putting
I,
don't
say
when
I
want
to
say
your
money
where
your
mouth
is,
but
it's
true,
you're
investing
in
your
community
and
I
think
that
is
so
important
and
I
really
appreciated
how
you
you
talked
about
bringing
in
Community,
Partners,
I,
think
that
is
so
important
and
especially
bringing
in
former
gang
members.
You
know
that's
not
usually
when
they
were
talking
about
Community
Partners.
N
N
I
was
at
a
conference
last
week
and
I
was
talking
about
how
I
wish
we
had
more
after
school
programs
for
kids,
because
I
think
it
would
really
be
a
barrier
and
they
looked
at
me
like
I
was
crazy
and
I.
Don't
know
if
I
appreciate
you,
echoing
what
I
say
or
me,
echoing
what
you
say,
but
I
do
think.
It's
really
important
that
we're
talking
about
after
school
Community
programs,
because
kids
need
structure
just
as
adults.
We
need
structure
I.
N
Think
a
lot
of
us
saw
that
during
covid
kids
need
structure
and
consistency,
and
you
pointed
that
out.
You
also
mentioned
the
rural
urban
divide
and
I
appreciate
that,
because
that
is
something
you
know
here
in
Frankfurt
we
talk
about
how
Republicans
and
Democrats
are
a
big
divide,
but
really
it's
not
it's
the
rural
versus
Urban,
and
there
are
very
few
of
us
legislators
here
who
actually
understand
how
important
you
know.
N
I'm
a
rural
legislator
but
I
understand
the
importance
of
our
urban
communities,
and
there
are
very
few
Urban
legislators
who
recognize
the
importance
of
the
rural
communities
and
I.
Think
that
that
that
divide
there
is
important
because
I
say
we've
said
this
from
the
very
beginning
of
this
commission
was
that
we
don't
know
the
difference
between
Appalachia
and
the
West
End
of
Louisville
or
Lexington,
because
it
all
goes
back
to
it's.
N
M
O
O
Before
Devon
jumps
in
I'll,
say,
I
think
a
lot
of
times,
communities
and
many
people
don't
understand
that
this
work
isn't
something
that's
going
to
happen
overnight.
I
know,
you
mentioned
magic
wand,
a
lot
of
times.
When
people
see
us
in
these
positions,
they
see
you
all
and
you
all
positions,
they
think
you
have
a
magic
wand
and
you
being
behind
the
scenes.
O
You
know
it's
not
a
magic
wand
so
that
mentality
that
we're
in
this
for
the
Long
Haul
I'm
the
new
kid
on
the
Block
I'm
here
with
one
Lexington
I
started
in
December,
but
prior
to
that
I
spent
about
six
years
in
a
group
home,
supervised
there,
and
then,
after
that
spent
about
10
years
as
a
state
social
worker.
So
I've
worked
with
this
population
for
several
years,
going
on
17
years
and
I
understand
that
a
lot
of
times
this,
it's
not
gonna
happen
overnight.
O
O
That
are
the
reason
why
you
know
some
of
these
buzzwords
are
popular.
So,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
it's
that
education
piece
to
the
community
and
others,
and
even
some
in
you
know,
government
City,
because
a
lot
of
times
cities
because
a
lot
of
times
they're
looking
at
us
like
okay,
what
y'all
gonna
do
we
got
all
we
got
these
numbers
they're,
looking
at
numbers
as
Divine
gave
numbers
earlier.
O
We
don't
look
at
numbers,
we
don't
celebrate
numbers,
but
we
do
understand
that
numbers.
You
know
kind
of
kind
of
tell
the
story,
but
just
the
education
piece
of
knowing
that
this
we're
in
this
for
the
long
call,
maybe
I,
won't
see
it
in
my
lifetime,
but
I
know
that
the
work
that
I'm
doing
will
have
an
effect
on
a
long-term
effect.
So
that
would
be
my
my
kind
of
opinion.
P
Thank
you
just
briefly,
I
just
sometimes
the
task
forces
and
the
overlap
and
jail
reform
is
on
one
that
we're
working
on
now
and
I.
Just
asked
Tyler
to
keep
us
informed
on
that
program.
It's
already
been
mentioned
on
Urban
rural
divide.
You
know
East
Kentucky,
we
don't
have
the
programmatic
opportunities
that
other
or
more
urban
areas
do
and
certainly
I
think
that's
a
discussion
we
had
last
week
about
how
to
bring
parity.
P
I
would
be
interested
in
in
the
data
from
that
program
and
how,
because
that's
a
kind
of
a
low-cost
opportunity
to
implement
and
the
cooperations,
and
as
we
look
at
our
jails,
which
is
you
know,
generational
problem
that
we're
dealing
with
here
with
juveniles?
It's
all,
oh,
it
does
overlap.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
what
the
mayor
is
doing
there
and
would
appreciate.
Maybe
keeping
us
in
on
the
success
of
that
program.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chairman
representative,.
A
I
So
this
is
front
and
center
for
me
and
I
pay
attention
to
this
and
I
read
the
news
and
I
pay
attention
to
this
particular
topic,
obviously,
because
I
also
know
how
it
translates
into
the
success
of
schools.
So
I
saw
some
amazing
work
at
Winburn,
Middle
School,
but
by
all
accounts
and
purposes
it's
a
failing
school
by
all
the
metrics
that
are
being
discussed
for
that.
So
this
is
something
that
definitely
fits
there.
I
I
looked
at
your
I've
got
a
couple
of
brief
comments
and
I've
got
a
question
at
the
very
end
and
it's
going
to
be
a
heavy
one.
All
right
so
I
noticed
the
schools
that
you're
working
with
you
know,
I'm
a
big
believer
in
we
passed
some
legislation
this
past
session
to
help
protect
some
of
our
students
that
are
part
of
the
transient
population
moving
from
school
district
to
school
district.
I
Okay
was
it
it
wasn't
on
the
power.
So,
okay,
we
made
a
comment
about
middle
schools,
middle
school
kids,
100
that
that
is
where
I
was
a
high
school
teacher
for
15
years
before
I
went
to
middle
education.
Middle
is
where
you're,
where
kids
are
choosing
the
path
that
they're
going
to
take
when
they're
in
high
school,
it's
more
of
the
identity.
What
it
looks
like,
but
Middle
School
is,
is
definitely
where.
J
Where
did
I
say
this
just
to
add
to
that
honestly
as
we're
kind
of
out
of
crisis
mode
and
really
looking
at
prevention
because
of
Technology
because
of
advancement
really
third,
fourth
grade,
even
if
I
mean
these
kids,
what
they
have
access
to,
what
they're
already
doing
are
things
we
weren't,
even
thinking
of
until
we
were
in
eighth
grade,
maybe
ninth
grade
sure,
so
we're
even
thinking
of
trump
really
trying
to
go
younger.
If
you
truly
want
to
be
preventative
and.
I
I
think
that
fits
in
with
the
feeder
pattern
kind
of
mindset
that
I
was
you
know
for
if
we're
addressing
it
through
those
feeder
patterns,
because
I
know
that
Fayette
County's
got
a
pretty
clear
one,
but
again
your
populations
are
going
to
be
changing
or
your
adjusters
are
going
to
be
changing.
So
there's
definitely
some
work
there.
I
The
persistence
to
graduation
report
is
a
report
that
all
the
Friskies
and
and
school
counselors
have
access
to
it's
What
I
used
and
basically
it's
a
report.
That's
got
all
the
factors
involved
if
there's
been
trauma
involved
if
the
kids
are
on
track
to
graduate,
even
if
they're
in
fifth
and
sixth
grade
they're
on
this
report,
it's
a
really
really
important
report
and
I
guarantee
you
every
student
that
I
have
lost
in
the
system
was
on
that
report.
I
I
It
takes
a
village,
but
sadly
the
village
is
not
paying
attention.
They're,
saying
that's
some
other
kids
problem,
that's
what
I
felt
when
I
was
reaching
out
to
families
hey!
You
know.
You
know
you
got
your
neighbor
down
the
street,
really
neat!
No,
that's
their
problem!
That's
their
problem
that
I'm
I'm
taking
I'm
staying
on
my
Lane
I'm,
keeping
I'm,
keeping
where
I'm
supposed
to
be
I
and
the
last
thing.
What
do
we
do
about
the
snitch
culture?
How
many
unsolved
cases
exist
in
Lexington
because
of
the
snitch
culture?
I
J
J
So
when
it
comes
to
snitch
culture,
it's
difficult
because
it
is
part
of
an
environment
that
they
come
from.
So
it
isn't
as
easy
as
saying
hey
this
snitch
culture
is
leading
to
XYZ.
You
literally
have
to
go
to
the
roots
of
why
that
is
embedded
in
certain
communities
and
there
is
a
legit
Fear
Factor.
It's
not
just
a
trendy
thing
to
say:
I'm,
not
a
snitch,
but
we've
also
had
young
people
who
have
lost
their
lives
and
so
I
think
there's
an
education
piece
around.
J
What
snitching
is
because
a
lot
of
these
kids
don't
know
the
difference
between
being
a
snitch
and
being
a
witness
and
being
a
snitch
is
Street
culture.
If
you
are
not
in
the
street,
then
you
do
not
have
to
uphold
Street
etiquette,
and
so
it's
those
educational
pieces
that
we
try
to
have,
but
ultimately
we're
trying
to
keep
young
people
from
even
entering
in
a
cycle
or
a
space
where
they
have
to
adhere
to
the
no
snitching
culture.
J
H
And
launched
it
this
way
we
had
very
intentional
conversations
about
how
we
from
the
mayor's
office
would
Empower
them
and
support
them
and
how
critical
the
trust
between
their
work
and
law
enforcement
in
particular,
was
behind
the
scenes
it
had
to
be
seamless.
We
had
to
have
trust
trust
going
both
ways.
I
spent
a
lot
of
days
and
nights,
making
sure
that
trust
was
always
there,
but
from
the
outside
it
had
to
look
like
there
was
Daylight.
H
They
couldn't
look
like
an
extension
of
law
enforcement.
We've
seen
this
in
cities
all
across
the
country,
Street
Outreach
workers
in
Baltimore
three
gun
down
last
year,
so
they
can't
be
seen
as
the
snitches
either.
This
makes
this
work
so
complicated,
but
they
have
to.
They
have
to
have
a
trust
level
with
known
Shooters
people
involved,
who've
seen
who's
witnessed
crimes
and
if
they
feel
they
can
comfortably
get
it
to
law
enforcement
to
further
this
investigation
great,
but
they
can't
do
in
a
way
that
puts
their
own
lives
on
the
line.
H
That's
where
we've
drawn
a
line
on
all
this,
so
we've
worked
with
our
law
enforcement.
You've
seen
the
number
of
flock
cameras
we've
put
up
to
try
to
hold
people
accountable,
different
types
of
technology.
We've
used
to
assist
in
those
kind
of
Investigations
to
take
more
the
pressure
off
of
them
to
not
feel
like
they're
they're
caught
in
the
middle
and
these
kind
of
things
to
make
sure
they
aren't
their
names
aren't
circulated
as
as
those
that
are
ratting
out.
Folks
who've
tried
to
share
a
sensitive
information
with
them.
H
A
A
The
table,
thank
you.
Let
me
just
challenge
you
in
this
way.
In
less
than
an
hour
about
an
hour's
time,
you've
entered
into
a
totally
new
relationship
with
a
number
of
people.
We're
now
engaged
in
Partnership
via
your
presentation.
You've
got
a
group
of
ambassadors
up
here
that
are
going
to
be
cheerleading.
Shouting
sharing
your
story,
amplifying
your
message.
A
Thank
you
for
the
work
you
do
and,
as
you
leave,
I've
picked
up
three
specific
charges
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on,
based
on
the
conversations
here,
director
Karama
we're
going
to
have
Brandon
connect
you
with
our
Revenue
staff
to
get
clarification
on
this
event.
Taxation
and
Concession
question
so
you'll
have
some
follow-up
from
Brandon
specific
to
state
law
what
it
is
now
and
if
changes
need
to
be
made
or
if
there
is
some
peace
to
the
conversation
that
maybe
your
folks
are
missing,
that
we
can
help
clarify
quickly.
A
Okay,
Mr
Johnson,
we're
going
to
investigate
the
question
of
employment
of
young
people
between
ages
of
12
and
16,
plus
or
minus,
and
some
sort
of
a
paid
Works
program.
Are
there
opportunities
that
we
can
work
to
facilitate
your
organization
and
others
employing
these
young
people
and
helping
them
find
purpose
and
meaning?
Maybe
that's
something
we
can
do
Brandon,
will
help
follow
up
on
that
as
well.
Thank
you,
the
last
resource
and
thought
that
Brandon
brought
to
my
attention.
I
want
to
direct
everyone
to
Jennifer
Fletcher
Jennifer.
A
If
you'd
stand
for
just
a
moment
with
KY
stats,
Jennifer's
a
great
resource
in
terms
of
stats
across
Kentucky
and
so
Jennifer
may
be
connected
to
you
through
Brandon,
any
information
she
may
have,
or
any
insights
that
you
can
share
with
her.
We
need
to
bring
people
like
you're
doing.
We
need
to
bring
people
in
a
room
together
and
and
help
them
discover
each
other.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation
well
done
and
we
look
forward
to
your
continued
success.
Thank.
A
D
I
may,
while
they're
getting
settled
chairman
I,
want
to
speak.
Something
representative
heverin,
said
I'm
surprised
that
you
were
met
with
Surprise
by
the
the
idea
that
that
you
floated
in
that
conference
with
those
other
folks.
I
was
at
our
Kentucky
court
system,
has
a
Commission
on
mental
health
that
I'm
glad
to
be
a
part
of
I.
Think
you
may
also
be
a
part
of
that.
Maybe
not
okay,
there's
like
85
people
and
I
just
lose
track
of
who's
on
it,
but
they
had
a
summit.
A
few
weeks
ago
in
Louisville
was
very
well
attended.
D
Had
a
lot
of
panels.
A
lot
of
different
discussions
and
I
was
honored
to
come
to
a
panel
that
Kya
put
together,
and
it
had
three
young
adults
who
had
been
through
the
Juvenile
Justice
System
and
one
of
the
takeaways
I
got
from
that
was
similar
to
a
panel
of
of
other
young
adults
from
New
Mexico.
Just
last
week,
it's
they're
not
from
New
Mexico.
The
presentation
was
in
New
Mexico
they're
from
Wichita
Kansas,
and
they
said
the
exact
same
thing.
D
The
folks
at
youth
build
I,
don't
want
to
seal
your
thunder
that
you
may
not
have
been
talking
about
that.
But
I
wanted
to
highlight
this
because
of
what
you
said.
They
said
that
over
the
over
the
last
many
years
in
Louisville,
some
of
those
have
closed
and
the
opportunities
for
that
have
gone
away
and
that's
in
a
place
where
there
are
a
lot
more
resources
than
there
are
in
rural
Kentucky.
D
Q
We're
going
to
take
just
a
brief
moment
to
talk
about
what
Kentucky
youth
Advocate
says
before
we
jump
into
the
data
Courtney's
going
to
be
taking
the
lead
on
this
and
I'm
here
as
a
support.
We
really
appreciate
you
all
focusing
on
this
issue.
We
know
that
Kya
has
been
working
around
Juvenile
Justice
since
1977
when
we
started.
Q
Our
focus
is
around
advocating
for
systemic
change
for
all
kids
in
Kentucky
to
make
Kentucky
the
best
place
in
America
to
be
young,
and
we
do
that
by
bringing
research
and
data
to
the
table
as
well
as
the
voices
of
folks
with
lived
experience.
So
Senator
Westerfield
had
mentioned
our
reform.
Louisville
group,
that
is
a
group
made
up
of
young
people
who
have
Juvenile
Justice
experience,
would
probably
love
to
talk
to
you
all
about
their
experience
and
their
ideas.
Q
R
Right
all
right,
so
I
want
to
start
first
by
just
acknowledging
the
incredible
work.
That's
been
done
over
the
years
with
legislators,
with
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
also
critical
stakeholders,
as
well
just
around
reforming
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
then
also
thinking
through
new
ways
of
how
to
best
respond
to
kids
when
they
get
in
trouble.
R
There
has
been
tremendous
progress
that
has
been
made
over
quite
a
bit
of
time,
but
there
are
still
some
of
those
areas
where
the
racial
disparities
exist,
which
is
going
to
be
the
focus
of
today
so
from
what
you
all
can
see
on
this
slide.
For
those
who
aren't
as
familiar
with
the
terminology,
complaints
are
basically
the
juvenile
equivalent
of
adult
police
reports
and
in
Kentucky,
kids
of
any
age
can
have
a
complaint
taken
out
on
them
by
anyone
for
any
offense.
R
So
when
you
look
at
the
data,
black
youth
and
multiracial
youth
are
complained
on
it,
two
and
four
times
their
representation
in
the
population
respectively,
and
this
racial
breakdown,
like
what
you're
seeing
right
here,
has
been
fairly
consistent
since
about
2017.
black
use,
specifically
kind
of
fluctuate
between
like
the
24
and
the
the
22
percent.
R
We'll
also
look
at
like
diversion
opportunities,
whether
those
were
successful
or
not,
and
then
the
number
of
kids
who
have
been
transferred
to
adult
court.
But
when
you
look
at
the
complaint
Trends
just
as
they've,
you
know
just
over
like
the
past
10
years,
maybe
even
more
than
that.
What
we've
seen
is
a
steady
decline
in
the
total
number
of
complaints,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
due
to
Juvenile
Justice
reforms
that
have
been
implemented
successfully,
and
so
we've
seen
a
lot
of
much
fewer
kids
actually
coming
into
the
into
the
system.
R
But
again
those
racial
disparities
are
then
kind
of
exasperated
a
little
bit
or
have
persisted.
I
should
say,
I.
Think
it's
also
important
to
flag
that
the
numbers
that
you're
seeing
here
are
lower
than
the
pre-covered
numbers
that
we've
seen
in
2019
and
the
data
is
mostly
consistent
across
offenses,
so
public
offenses,
which
are
the
misdemeanors
and
the
felonies
and
then
also
the
status
offenses
as
well
and
I'm,
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
young
children,
specifically
so
like
those
that
are
12
and
under
throughout
this
presentation.
R
R
R
Alcohol
use,
so
those
are
those
are
the
two
and
then
thinking
back
to
just
young
kids,
specifically
so
12
and
under,
like
I,
said
they
make
up
about
seven
to
nine
percent
of
all
the
complaints
that
we
see
Statewide
12
year
olds
make
up
the
biggest
proportion
of
that
at
about
76
percent.
Then
you'll
see
11
year
olds
at
about
20
percent
and
the
rest
are
under
that
age.
I
think
the
youngest
complaint
was
maybe
on
a
nine-year-old
in
the
most
recent
data.
R
Okay.
So
next
we're
going
to
look
at
these
School
related
versus
non-school,
related
complaints,
typically
Statewide,
most
complaints
will
originate
from
a
city
police
departments,
so
that
can
even
include
the
school
related
offenses
or
that
can
be
something
that
happens
like
at
school
or
at
a
school
Associated
function.
R
So
when
we
talk
about
detention
at
intake,
this
refers
to
the
kids
who
have
been
picked
up
or
arrested
by
law.
Enforcement
have
met
with
the
CDW,
have
typically
been
administered.
The
detention
screening
instrument,
which
is
a
risk
assessment
tool,
and
then
a
call
has
been
made
to
the
on-call
judge.
Who
will
make
a
determination
about
whether
a
kid
is
going
to
be
detained,
whether
they
can
be
released
on
hip
home
incarceration
or
whether
they
can
just
be
released
outright?
R
So
if
a
kid
is
undergoes
the
risk
assessment
and
they're
found
to
be
low
risk?
The
judge
still
has
the
option
of
overriding
that
decision.
So
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
overrides
later
in
the
presentation,
and
that's
just
what
at
least
part
of
it
is
referring
to.
So
they
can
override
the
decision
and
have
a
child
remain
in
detention
until
their
initial
court
hearing.
R
So,
okay,
so
moving
on
with
disparity.
So
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
I
think
Kentucky
has
done
just
as
a
state.
We
have
done
a
really
fantastic
job
of
offering
diversion
of
having
kids
successfully
diverted.
But
again
we
are
still
seeing
those
racial
disparities
with
black
youth,
making
up
only
16
of
the
the
complaints
that
are
diverted
and
30
of
all
of
the
complaints
that
are
not.
R
So
I
guess
just
trying
to
think
of
you
know,
I
think
what
comes
up
a
lot
is
like
how
do
things
like
this
happen
and
just
kind
of
sticking
with
what
the
research
and
the
data
shows?
There
was
a
pretty
definitive
study
out
of
Arizona
that
was
published
in
2021
and
they
looked
at.
Basically,
it
suggested
that
you
know
subjective
bias
can
play
a
role
in
the
diversion
disparities
that
we're
seeing
or
the
the
the
disparities
in
diversion
decisions.
I
should
say
so
again.
R
This
was
in
2021
that
it
was
published
out
of
Arizona
and
basically,
what
they
found
was
that
black
Hispanic
and
Native
American
Youth
were
significantly
less
likely
to
have
their
cases
diverted,
and
they
were
also
able
to
look
at
some
of
their
case
files
and
what
they
found
in
those
Case
Files
was
that
black
youth
had
six
times
as
many
negative
or
critical
comments
in
them
than
their
white
counterparts.
So
there
would
be
things
like
you
know:
they're,
not
showing
any
remorse
they're,
not
taking
it
seriously.
R
D
R
R
So
this
sorry,
this
next
slide
is
one
that
it
just.
It
is
the
most
impactful
for
me
on
the
right.
You
can
see
what
we
would
consider
the
intended
outcomes
of
Senate,
Bill
200
and
any
other
Juvenile
Justice
reforms
or
policies
that
we
put
into
place
recently.
You
can
see
that
there
is
a
clear
reduction
in
the
total
number
of
kids
that
are
entering
the
system
and,
as
they
go
deeper
into
the
system,
the
numbers
just
get
smaller
and
smaller,
which
is
exactly
what
we
want
to
see.
R
Unfortunately,
the
graph
on
the
left
is
what
we've
seen
with
black
youth,
and
so
it
is
a
smaller
percentage
of
still
a
disproportionate
but
smaller
percentage
of
complaints,
but
it
is
a
30
percent,
almost
increase
between
the
complaint
numbers
and
the
number
of
kids
who
are
being
sentenced
or
who
are
being
transferred
to
adult
court,
so
to
look
a
little
bit
closer
at
those
youthful
offender
referrals.
So
this
is
the
deepest
point
of
the
juvenile
justice
system
so
being
charged
as
an
adult.
R
They
are
referred
to
as
youthful
offenders
and
there
is
a
very
clear,
as
I
said,
over
representation
of
black
youth
at
this
point,
if
you
look
at
youth
of
color
collectively,
they
make
up
almost
70
percent
of
all
of
the
kids
who
are
going
to
a
circuit
court
and
again,
when
you
look
at
counties
like
Jefferson
or
other
counties
that
are
a
little
bit
larger,
have
more
racial
diversity
in
them.
Those
disparities
only
widen
as
well.
R
Just
a
few
years
ago,
I
think
it
was
in
2019
black
males
in
Jefferson
County
accounted
for
almost
90
percent
of
all
of
the
youthful
offender
referrals
in
the
county,
so
I
want
to
jump
ahead
just
a
little
bit
to
kind
of
start
thinking
about
some
potential
recommendations.
Just
for
this
population,
I
think
thinking
a
lot
of
primary
prevention.
Kind
of
going
Upstream
is
something
that
we
need
to
focus
on.
R
Obviously,
more
data
collection,
I
think
both
quantitative
data
and
qualitative
around
youthful
offenders,
so
that
we
can
start
to
analyze
some
of
those
systemic
factors.
That
may
be
leading
to
crime
or
to
detention.
So
knowing
where
they're
being
arrested
or
picked
up
kind
of
looking
at
like
where
they
live,
what
type
of
resources
are
available
in
those
areas?
R
There
are
three
zip
codes
that,
for
the
last
I'd
say
for
the
better
part
of
the
last
10
years,
potentially
even
more
than
that
have
accounted
for
about
one-third
of
all
of
the
commitments
to
DJJ
to
the
complaints
that
are
made
against
kids,
that
are
12
and
under
and
kids
that
are
on
probation
and
there's
probably
other
indicators
as
well,
and
the
reason
that
I
bring.
That
up
is
because,
if
you
take
a
step
back
and
kind
of
consider,
some
of
those
systemic
factors
you'll
see
that
those
zip
codes.
R
Those
three
zip
codes
also
have
disproportionately
High
rates
of
intimate
partner,
violence,
teen,
Dating,
Violence
disciplinary
action
in
school
out
of
school
suspensions,
adult
incarceration.
We
know
that
they
are
being
impacted
by
violence
in
the
community,
there's
also
poverty,
housing
and
security,
food
insecurity
and
a
lot
of
those
related
barriers.
So
lack
of
reliable
transportation
of
child
care
of
jobs
that
are
in
the
community
that
young
people
can
access
easily.
R
Sometimes
it
can
be
challenging
to
even
access
resources
for
families
they
also
have
a
lot
of.
There
are
also
some
very
specific
health
issues
like
they
have
very
high
rates
of
miscarriages,
infant
mortality,
low
birth
weight
and
in
one
of
the
zip
codes,
the
residents
are
potentially
at
10
times
greater
risk
of
lead
poisoning.
R
You
know
leave
home
at
home
and
you
know
function
properly
in
the
community
in
their
schools,
so
again,
developing
that
Community
kind
of
collaborative
coordinated
approach
to
addressing
these
factors
and
finding
solutions
for
the
kids
and
for
their
families
as
well
is
really
important
and
again
it
can
just
prevent
them
from
ever.
You
know
entering
the
system
or
it
can
help
us
to
cut
those
recidivism
rates
down
a
lot
as
well.
R
A
second
recommendation
would
be
in
Tennessee.
They
have
something
called
the
second
look
commission
and
that's
existed
for
about
I,
want
to
say
for
about
the
past
13
years,
and
it's
been
primarily
focused
so
far
on
looking
at
second
or
subsequent
cases
of
severe
child
abuse,
but
this
year
what
they
are
doing
is
they're
rolling
out
a
second
look:
commission,
that's
going
to
be
focused
on
justice-involved,
Youth
and
so
they'll
be
looking
at
the
second
or
subsequent
cases
of
kids
who
have
been
charged
as
adults.
R
R
R
T
T
But
then
we
have
some
counties
here:
yeah
where
it's
three
or
four
times
are
we
passing
that
information
on
to
those
counties?
Are
they
aware
that
their
rates
are
so
horrendously
out
of
proportion
to
their
population?
That
there
is
almost
no
other
possible
explanation
for
the
discrepancies
I
mean
who
gets
this
information?
How
are
we
using
it.
E
You
would
please
absolutely
my
name
is
Rachel
Bingham
I'm
with
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
and
I've
never
seen
this
data
before
I'm
just
kidding
just
kidding.
So
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
we
do
provide
this
data.
The
communities
be
very
careful
when
you
look
at
those
community
that
Community
reports,
because
you
also
want
to
consider
how
many
cases
based
upon
percentages
so
keep
that
in
mind
when
you're,
especially
looking
at
that
rural
urban
Suburban
type
type
of
of
comparison.
E
It's
a
fact
are
charged
more
often,
we
are
seeing
a
slight
uptick
of
Hispanic,
but
it
has
not
increased
to
anything.
That
is
that
we
can
really
say
is
is
as
measurable
as
the
constant
with
our
black
youth
in
other
states.
It
could
be
as
as
Courtney
referenced,
a
study
out
west.
It
could
be,
you
know,
a
a
different
population
based
upon
what
that
what
that
site
looks
like,
but
for
here
it
is
the
black
youth,
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
Yeah.
B
A
R
Right,
okay,
so
this
is
one
that
I.
This
is
a
graph
that
I
wanted
to
include
just
it's
a
broader
Equity
issue
and
I
just
think
it's
important
to
remember
the
experiences
of
some
of
the
kids
who
make
up
this
data.
So
this
graph
represents
more
than
3
500,
kids,
I
believe
who
have
been
diagnosed
ability
of
some
kind
and
I
think
we
can
anecdotally.
R
R
So
kind
of
moving
on
to
recommendations
and
I've
kind
of
gone
through
some
of
these
a
little
bit
so
I'm
just
going
to
jump
ahead
and
I'll
still
do
the
the
recommendations,
but
I
think
the
first
thing
is
obviously
lifting
up
the
success
that
we've
seen
over
the
years
of
the
diversion
program.
We
see
a
decrease
in
public
and
Status
offenses,
post
covid
and
the
diversion
success
rates
have
remained
mostly
steady
anywhere
in
the
80th
or
90th
percentile.
R
When
you
pull
out
data
for
young
children
again,
those
that
are
12
and
under
there's
a
very
similar
track
record
of
success
since
2016
the
rate
or
the
success
rate
for
diversion
among
children
in
that
age
group
has
been
over
90
percent.
The
most
recent
data
shows
that
they
had
a
94
success
rate
and
when
you
look
at
the
recidivism
rates
also
for
that
young
children
population
there's
been
been
a
steady
decline
since
2016.
So
if
you
were
able
to
like
look
at
a
chart,
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
include
it
in
here.
R
The
recidivism
rate
in
2016
for
young
kids
was
more
than
25
percent,
and
the
most
recent
data
shows
that
it's
actually
down
to
eight
percent
now
so
again
to
clarify
that
is
the
percentage
of
kids
who
are
12
and
under
who
recidivate
recidivated
within
one
year
of
successfully
completing
their
diversion.
So
it
has
been
tremendously
successful.
Gordon.
P
A
R
R
Absolutely
okay
and
the
last
slide
again
looking
kind
of
at
diversion,
so
expanding
diversion
as
one
of
the
recommendations
for
working
with
this
population.
Research
has
consistently
shown
that,
for
most
youth
diversion
is
actually
more
effective
than
going
through
a
formal
court
process.
It
reduces
their
recidivism
rates
and
it
also
improves
Public
Safety.
There
have
been
countless
studies
that
have
replicated
these
findings.
When
you
look
at
kids
who
don't
go
to
court
have
never
been
to
court
versus
those
who
are
continuously
having
their
cases
heard
in
court.
R
There
is
a
clear
the
outcomes
essentially
are
clear
for
the
kids
who
who
do
have
to
go
to
court.
They
are
more
likely
to
be
rearrested,
they're
more
likely
to
be
subsequently
incarcerated,
they're
more
likely
to
engage
in
violence
in
their
communities
and
also
to
be
associated
with
more
delinquent
peers.
And
again
it's
just.
It
is
very
pronounced
when
you
look
at
the
kids
who
don't
go
to
court
versus
those
who
do.
R
Educational
attainment
is
another
thing
where
you'll
see
that
clear
disparity
where,
if
you
know
you're
not
going
to
court
versus
going
to
court,
the
kids
who
are
in
court
are
have
higher
rates
of
Dropout.
They
are
less
likely
to
go
to
college
there's
even
some
research
and
data
that
shows
that
in
adulthood
they
tend
to
make
less
money
than
the
kids
who
had
their
cases
resolved
outside
of
court
or
through
diversion.
Diversion
is
also
a
really
good
opportunity
for
us
to
get
at
the
root
causes
of
the
behaviors.
R
And
finally,
I
also
just
want
to
reiterate
reiterate
that
the
that
the
recommendation
here
is
to
to
to
just
try
to
expand
upon
a
lot
of
the
great
work.
That's
already
been
done.
If
you
look
at
data
from
fiscal
year,
2009
to
2019
the
average
rate
for
successful
diversion
during
this
time
frame
was
about
21
versus
34
for
kids,
who
went
to
court.
So
only
one
in
five
kids
who
had
their
cases
successfully
diverted,
would
subsequently
have
another
complaint.
S
Yes,
I
do.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
That
information
is
interesting
and
you
may
have
partially
answered
this.
Are
you?
How
do
you
define
success?
I
understand
the
recidivism
piece.
Is
that
the
factor
or
do
you
have
another
construct
that
you
use
to
define
success
so
those
are
diverted.
E
So
I
think
it'd
be
best
if
I,
if
I
respond
to
that
just
based
upon
being
over
the
coordinated
worker
program.
For
us,
success
is
very
much
based
upon
what
we
consider
to
be
the
principles
of
effective
interventions
and
those
are
increasing.
Pro-Social
Pro,
peer,
Pro
opportunities,
around
educational
components
and
doing
things
being
able
to
give
kids
those
resources
and
supports
for
them
to
be
successful.
So
for
us
diversion
success
is,
is
more
of.
E
E
They
still
have
the
option
for
things
like
if
they
need
substance
use
disorder
or
if
they
need
mental
health
resources
or
if
they
need
other
types
of
of
services
and
supports
they're
able
to
access
those.
It's
very
much
a
comprehensive
case
plan,
as
you
would
see
also
in
in
a
similar
child
welfare
type
case.
S
L
Thank
you
first
I
want
to
thank
the
chairman
for
bringing
today's
committee
together.
I
think
that,
as
we
are
sitting
here
and
as
we're
listening
to
this
presentation,
we
also
have
to
keep
in
mind
of
what
we
heard
prior
to
these
two
things
go
hand
in
hand,
and
so
I
think
that
you
all
did
a
great
job
of
bringing
these
two
issues
and
bringing
these
two
committees
together.
L
L
U
U
What's
going
on
with
data,
it
was
a
one
of
your
data
books
about
12
or
13
years
ago
that
got
our
district
judge
and
I
together,
looking
at
what
was
going
on
locally
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
things
better
and
smarter
that
led
to
me
sitting
here
today.
So
thank
you
for
for
what
you
do
I
on
that
issue
of
what
is
a
successful
diversion.
U
U
In
his
discussion
of
what
is
a
successful
diversion,
we
have
diversions
going
where
there
has
been
a
reoffence,
yet
it's
still
considered
a
successful
diversion,
and
this
is
probably
a
question
more
for
Rachel.
It's
still
considered
a
successful
diversion
within
the
diversion
world
and
so
I
think
this
is
where
you
see
some
prosecutorial
overrides,
because
we
see
this
and
we're
like
okay.
This
is
clearly
not
been
successful
because
we
now
have
this
new
charge.
U
Maybe
this
is
going
to
take
the
additional
resources,
the
additional
oversight
that
the
district
court
has
and
generally
I
I
understand.
You
know
I
absolutely
believe.
Meaningful
diversion
is
very
important.
However,
when
when
there's
been
that
recidivism
there
and
still
the
prior
case
is
in
a
diversion,
I
I.
Take
it
that
your
premise
is,
that
is
that
any
override
is
bad
because
and
and
I
get
that
there
is.
R
I
think
there's
I
mean
I
can
only
really
go
by
what
is
written
in
the
law
when
it
just
says
that
you
know
up
to
three
for
the
misdemeanors
and
the
status,
offenses
and
I
think
you
know
being
able
to
connect
with
the
kids
and
be
able
to
to
provide
them
with
the
services
that
they
need
and
make
sure
that
they're
getting
those
you
know
having
a
diversion
program
that
is
very
tailored
toward
whatever
their
needs
are
I
understand
the
larger
issue
around
like
a
lack
of
of
resources.
I
mean
that's,
definitely
valid.
R
O
U
Anti-Social
behaviors
coming
forward.
You
know
we're
asked:
should
this
stay
at
diversion
or
should
it
go
to
court?
And
you
know,
particularly
when
there's
a
victim
involved,
it's
hard
to
look
at
that
victim
and
say
well,
the
first
diversion
didn't
work
out.
It's
going
to
be
tried
again
we're
not
going
to
ask
that
it
come
to
court
and
that
a
judge
actually
see
this
so
but
I
also
understand,
there's
so
many
competing
issues
here
and
and
finding
that
right
balance
is
so
difficult
and
and
I
want
to.
R
You
and
one
thing
that
I
did
touch
on
in
the
presentation.
I
think
maybe
even
having
like
a
group
who
can
look
at
some
of
these
cases
can
kind
of
also
help
us
to
come
up
with
maybe
more
solutions
or
more
interventions
that
could
be
more
effective
like
across
the
state
if
there
are
areas.
Obviously,
if
there
are
areas
that
are
very
resource
Rich,
then
you
know
they
may
have
more
options
than
than
a
county.
V
E
You
just
to
build
on
that
also
Steve
and
I.
We've
had
conversations
around
this
space
multiple
times,
I
think
we
have
to
always
keep
in
mind
adolescent
brain
development,
us
raising
our
own
kids
that
a
lot
of
times
our
kids
need.
You
know
extra
help
and
assistance
and
attention
to
make
better
decisions.
E
So
the
the
you
know
we
see
in
diversion
that
oftentimes
we've
got
kids
that
are
making
bad
choices
and
we're
getting
them
at
a
point
in
time
that
we're
trying
to
change
a
trajectory,
but
that
also
takes
some
patience
and
some
compromise
and
sometimes
those
little
steps.
So
so
you
know
you
missed
30
days
over
the
last
two
months
and
now
you've
only
missed
10
days.
E
For
us,
that's
growth,
that's
Improvement,
and
so
we're
looking
at
it
from
a
lens
of
where
we
can,
where
we
can
work
with
these
kids
in
a
lot
of
ways
where
they
are
and
move
them
forward,
based
upon
where
they
could
developmentally.
You
know,
intellectually,
all
the
things
that
could
be.
You
know
contributing
doesn't
take
away
from
what
you're
saying
at
all,
because
I
think
what
you
really
hit
on
to
me
is
a
gap
that
I
think
we
all
need
in
this
in
this
particular
bodies
need
to
take
into
consideration.
E
The
court
designated
worker
program
does
not
purchase
Services,
we
are
dependent
on
the
communities
and
the
communities
are
the
places
and
the
spaces
that
we
want
our
kids
to
be
able
to
get
these
supports,
and
the
data
shows
if
they
are
able
to
get
that
they're
going
to
be
more
successful.
So
I'll
also
make
sure
that
we
get
to
Brandon
a
recent
paper
by
the
sentencing
project
that
talks
specifically
about
diversion
and
all
of
the
impact
and
should
also
lead
to
a
lot
of
the
data
nationally
that
they're
finding.
A
P
P
A
kid
called
me
to
represent
him
on
a
civil
matter
and-
and
we
were
talking
about
his
juvenile
experience,
where
he
was
detained
much
against
my
objection
at
the
time
in
the
Boyd
County
Center
years
ago,
and
he
said
you
know
we
would
talk
about
that,
and
he
said
you
know
that
I've
not
had
another
issue
since
then.
I
didn't
want
to
go
back
there
to
that
child
that
had
value
and
and
I
think
that's
where
every
case
is
different.
P
I
think
our
local
prosecutors
and
judges
know
these
individuals
better
than
anyone
and
that's
why
I've
always
been
an
advocate
and
will
continue
to
be
for
flexibility
in
in
that
sentencing
process
or
that
override
process,
not
to
say
there
shouldn't
be
Criterion
database
protocols
in
place
and
avenues
to
for
me
to
take
exception
to
that
from
time
to
time,
but
I
I,
just
maintaining
the
flexibility
in
the
system
for
those
instances
and
for
those
individuals
where
that
does
make
a
difference
is
important.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
S
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
you
know,
I
think
we've
got
to
be
careful
in
this
area.
My
background
is
as
a
juvenile
probation
officer
and
someone
that
did
extensive
work
with
juveniles
in
the
legal
field
and
I
know
that,
what's
happening
now,
they're
saying
we
have
a
different
brand
of
juvenile
out
here,
I
guess
on
the
the
valence
side.
But
let
me
let
me
point
out
these.
S
These
judgments
are
subjective
and
we
can
set
objective
criteria,
but
the
you
know
to
make
those
judgments
in
various
and
varying
circumstances
is
really
subjective
to
a
significant
extent
and
there's
an
exception
to
everything.
Anybody
says
in
this
room.
I
think
it
might
be
worth
our
while
to
really
revisit
this
subject
matter
and
understand
it
better,
as
opposed
to
saying
you
know,
I
make
a
decision.
This
is
this
should
be
honored,
you
know
how
are
they
made?
S
S
I,
don't
know,
but
I
think
it's
worth
taking
a
look
at
and
then
look
at
it
in
the
context
of
whether
they
reoffend
or
not,
or
whether
they
I
I'm
I'm,
persuaded
by
the
argument
that
they
are
making
progress
in
terms
of
their
engagement
with
various
individuals
who
try
to
enable
them
to
do
better
and
see
alternatives
to
anti-social
Behavior,
so
to
speak.
So
I
just
think
we
ought
to
be
careful
about
just
saying
you
know
overrides
are
good
or
we
should
just
let
kids
off
the
hook.
S
F
You
may
have
mentioned
this,
but
I
I
didn't
see
where
there
was
a
summary
of
how
many
youth
in
DJJ
have
been
identified
with
disabilities
or
What
proportion
of
the
youth
and
DJJ
have
been
identified
with
disabilities
and
then
the
second
piece
of
that
is
is
to
what
extent
is
their
disability
a
factor
in
some
of
these
key
decision
points
related
to
you
know,
diversion
or
sensing
to
the
scent
that
you
can
speak
to
that
I.
Don't
know
that
you
can't,
but
so.
R
E
Would
be
at
intake
okay,
this
would
be
ad
intake,
so
this
would
not
be
necessarily
those
committed
to
long-term
detention.
This
is
at
the
intake
slide
comparable
to
what
was
addressed
earlier,
so
it
could
be
a
short
period
of
time.
It
could
be
a
longer
period
of
time
based
upon
the
court
review
and
the
hearing.
E
Then
what
we
can
do
is
get
for
you,
the
breakdown
by
the
percent.
Okay,
for
each
of
those
categories
like
we
did
some
of
the
other
slides,
if
that
would
help.
Okay
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
this.
This
point
of
contact
is
not
necessarily
the
commissioner's
population
in
DJJ
that
she
typically
reports.
V
E
E
Yes,
sir,
at
that
point
of
contact
when
we've
got
the
kids
before
the
judge.
Yes,
at
this
point
of
contact
that
we
are
doing
our
preliminary
inquiry,
we
are
not
a
we're
not
with
the
kids
at
to
that
degree
of
time,
then
they're
going
to
have
a
court
review
they're
going
to
be
before
the
judge.
More
information
is
going
to
be
shared
at
this
point
of
contact.
We
could
we
may
or
may
not
have
the
information
good.
A
If
you
would
get
the
follow-up
information
Rachel
that
you've
mentioned,
get
that
to
Brandon
he'll,
get
it
out
to
everyone
here.
I
do
not
have
any
other
questioners
on
the
list,
any
other
members
of
the
committee
seeking
any
information
or
thoughts
before
we
wrap
up
and
appreciate
this
group,
seeing
none
thank
you,
Kya
shout
out
to
Terry
Brooks
and
the
whole
team,
as
always
excellent
work
and,
and
the
data
drives
a
lot
of
the
decisions
we
make
here.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
I
will
encourage
all
members
of
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity
to
remember
to
mark
your
calendars
for
our
next
meeting,
which
is
scheduled
for
July
the
4th
July,
the
4th
July,
the
24th
at
1pm.
If
you
show
up
here
July,
the
4th
Brandon
may
not
have
the
doors
unlocked,
so
this
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
for
your
attendance.