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Good
morning,
everybody
we're
going
to
get
started
with
July
meeting
of
government
contract
review.
See
first
item
on
the
agenda.
It
is,
is
the
consideration
of
the
minutes
of
the
I
guess
we
probably
need
to
take
a
roll
before
I
get
started.
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A
A
983.70,
all
vendors
are
registered
with
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
Next
order
business
consideration
of
the
agenda,
including
the
personal
service
contract
list,
PSC
Amendment
list,
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
Amendment
list,
the
Kentucky,
entertainment
incentive
program,
agreement
list
and
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
contracts
reviewed
without
objection,
motion
made
by
Senator
Meredith?
Second,
second,
by
Senator
Douglas
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
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D
A
A
F
A
I
I
do
Mr
chair.
Thank
you
and
I.
Thank
you
folks
for
being
available
to
us
this
morning.
I
appreciate
it.
The
reason
I
pulled
this
particular
contract
was
just
the
size
of
it.
8.3
million
over
three
year
period
looks
like
a
tremendous
undertaking
by
someone
and
just
want
to
have
an
opportunity
to
understand
the
scope
of
this
contract
and
how
it's
going
to
work
and
how
this
particular
firm
was
selected.
So.
F
I'll
hit
high
level
first
and
I'll.
Let
Michael
touch
on
it,
but
I
want
to
thank
the
general
assembly
for
helping
us
to
make
this
project
happen,
and
obviously
it
is
a
large
contract.
It's
a
large-scale
property
of
54
000
Acres
easement,
the
largest
conservation
project
in
our
our
history.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
general
assembly
for
helping
us
to
to
get
to
this
point
and
I
think
we're
we're
making
big
strides
right
now
to
get
where
we
want
to
be
on
it,
but
I'll
get
I'll.
Let
Michael
give
you
specific
updates
on
it.
G
As
far
as
the
scale
of
it
I
mean
it's
really
just
the
size
of
the
property,
so
54
000
Acres,
if
you
break
it
down
per
acre
cost,
it
falls
in
line
with
our
other
surveys.
So
it's
I
mean
a
little
over
a
hundred
dollars
per
acre
to
survey
only
had
one
we,
we
did
the
spring.
That
was
more
expensive
and
we
compared
it
to
one
that
was
a
couple
years
ago,
which
falls
right
in
line
with
those.
So
it's
really
just
the
size
of
the
property,
so
54,
000
Acres.
G
So
as
far
as
houses
going
to
be
conducted,
I
mean
they'll
survey
and
we'll
just
keep
track
of
their
progress,
and
we've
have
yet
to
I.
Guess
have
that
have
that
kickoff
meeting
with
them,
but
we
will
here
in
the
next
week
or
two,
and
they
have
discussed
I
guess
having
a
GIS
system
where,
as
a
survey,
they
can
track
in
real
time
their
progress,
we'll
meet
with
them
monthly
or
bi-monthly
just
to
go
over
that
process
and
pay
them
throughout
those
three
years
as
they
conduct
the
survey.
I
Four
thousand:
that's
good
chunk
of
land.
F
Well
may
I
had
this
includes
signage
and
stakes
and
very
rugged
terrain.
J
F
So
people
are
gonna
have
to
be
in
really
good
shape,
I'm,
not
sure
that
I'd
qualify
to
be
a
mountain
repeller
like
some
of
these
folks
that
are
going
to
survey
it,
but
but
it's
absolutely
a
great
project.
It
gives
us
ownership
and
the
southeast
part
of
Kentucky.
We
have
a
lot
of
leases,
but
this
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
have.
You
know,
have
hunting
property
and
perpetuity,
and
so
we're
we're
really
excited
about
about.
What's
going
to
happen
with
this
in
the
future,
it.
I
I
You
mentioned
work
in
cooperation
with
the
finance
cabinet.
Explain
that
again.
G
So
I
guess,
prior
to
Senate,
Bill,
217
and
2022
in
Senate,
Bill,
241
and
regular
session
2023.
It
was
the
finance
responsibility
to
procure
all
engineering,
architectural
services
and
so
I
guess
really.
241
is
the
one
that
kind
of
cleared
that
up
and
but
they
they
took
the
lead
as
far
as
issuing
the
RFP
and
they
assigned
the
selection
committee
and
as
outlined
in
I,
guess
krs-45a10.
J
I
H
H
Not
currently,
but
we've
had
a
few
that
are
a
contract
or
basically
quote
based
so
we're
trying
to
work
out
the
details
on
what
we
need
to
submit
versus
what
other
agencies
are
submitting.
So
we're
trying
to
work
those
details
out.
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E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
just
a
quick
question
is:
is
all
this
land
within
the
boundaries
of
the
Commonwealth?
Yes,
it
is.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
and.
A
It
I'm
sorry,
no
I'm,
sorry
to
interrupt
you
well,
but
the
only
question
I
have
and
I
mean
I
realize
this
is
not
a
Kentucky
company,
but
did
we
have
Kentucky
companies
apply
for
this
process.
G
D
G
G
Was
and
because
of
the
change
in
legislation,
it
was
essentially
both
okay,
the
initial
fee
proposal
was
sent
to
finance
and
then
once
the
legislation
happened,
we
took
that
view
proposal
negotiated
with
them
to
execute.
D
J
A
C
C
A
Motion
passed.
The
next
item
on
the
pool
list
are
the
with
the
Kentucky
State
University
and
our
numbers
49
on
the
routine
PSC
green
list
and
number
eight
on
the
10
000
and
under
Goldenrod
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
come
forward,
identify
yourself.
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A
I
L
Yes,
sir,
we
do,
the
online
education
program
has
actually
been
around
for
quite
some
time.
We
were
part
of
a
grant
some
years
ago.
I
don't
go
back
that
far,
but
I
was
actually
at
Kentucky
Department
of
Education.
When
a
small
Grant
came
out
about
starting
online
special
education
programs
at
universities,
there
were
two
private
institutions
and
one
public
and
Kentucky
State
happened
to
be
the
public
institution
and
I
believe
that
dates
back
to
2000
and
10,
10
or
11.,
but
yeah.
L
I
L
Is
correct,
its
intent
is
actually
a
forensic
analysis
first
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
things
the
right
way.
I
I
was
actually
brought
to
Kentucky
State
University
in
the
spring
of
2019
to
revitalize
the
online
program,
and
so
we
did
all
the
infrastructure
things
we've
trained
our
faculty.
We
made
sure
we
had
consistent
practices
in
place
for
online
tutoring
things
that
made
our
sax
accreditation
for
online
education.
We
also
meet
the
NC
Sarah
standards.
L
We
implemented
quality
matters,
which
is
a
making
sure
we
have
accessibility
and,
in
our
course,
design
and
development,
and
then
recently,
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
we've
invested
in
the
association
of
college
and
university
Educators,
which
is
a
pedagogical
pedagogical
approach
to
making
sure
teachers
are
teaching
effectively
online.
L
I
Of
the
reasons
I
pulled
this
one
I
think
it
was
three
years
ago
we
had
one
of
our
universities
bring
us
a
retroactive
approval
for
one
of
these
contracts,
which
you
know
it's
just
not
a
good
thing
to
do,
and
as
they
were
explaining
it,
they
said.
Well,
it's
no
big
deal
because
it
doesn't
cost
the
state
anything
I
go
well.
What
do
you?
What
do
you
mean
I
said?
Well,
it's
paid
for
we
share
tuition,
it's
okay!
I
How
much
of
the
tuition
are
they
getting
and
I
think
that
this
particular
firm
is
50
of
the
tuition
I'm
thinking?
If
there's
kind
of
that
kind
of
profit
margin
in
online
education,
you
know,
maybe
we
need
just
to
shut
down
all
of
our
land-based
universities
all
go
to
online,
but
I
thought
that
was
a
little
bit
excessive
and
of
course
it
was
first
year
of
the
program
and
I
thought,
as
it
grew
in
volume
that
that
percentage
should
decrease.
So
I'm
curious
as
how
is
this
one
structured.
L
And
different,
that's
a
great
question
actually
recently.
As
recently
as
the
last
three
to
five
years,
the
U.S
Department
of
Education
has
sort
of
cracked
down
on
what
we
are
calling
online
program
management
systems.
There
are
two
basic
models:
the
one
you
described
is
a
shared
Revenue
model
and
that
shared
Revenue
model
is
negotiated
between
the
institution
and
the
company,
and
it
basically
is
set
up
to
say
if,
if
we
had
a
whole
lot
of
capacity,
we
probably
have
a
larger
portion
of
the
profit
share.
L
If
we
didn't
we'd
have
a
lower
and-
and
it
makes
it
more
difficult
to
get
out
of
the
hole-
if
you
will,
because
you're
you're
you're,
making
money
or
you're
you're
operating
your
business,
and
then
you
have
someone
Pull
It
in
this
case
our
particular
contract
is
a
pay,
a
fee
or
pay
for
service.
So
we
we
negotiated
our
contract
to
show
that
these
are
the
services
we
need
to
make
sure
we
are
sustainable.
L
These
are
the
these
are
the
services
we
need
to
make
sure
we
build
capacity,
and
these
are
the
services.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
service
delivery
is
of
quality
and
the
students
have
a
good
experience.
In
that
case,
the
revenue
that
we
generate
comes
back
to
the
university
and
it's
not
a
shared
Revenue
agreement
and
the
Universe
I
think
the
U.S
Department
of
Education
is
leaning
that
way,
and
so
there's
some
a
lot
of
things
out
there.
L
So
we
don't
want
to
create
an
opportunity
where
we
put
Universities
at
risk
and
I
think
that's
their
position,
and
and
so
we
we
considered
that
as
we
went
forward
in
fact,
the
selection
process,
the
vendor
that
happened
to
be
selected,
actually
spoke
to
that
and
how
they're
they're
they're,
not
a
part
of
the
the
Bullseye.
If
you
will
at
the
U.S
Department
of
Education,
is
looking
at.
I
Well,
I
like
that,
and
then
those
firms
should
be
part
of
the
bullseye,
because
you
know
they've
got
nothing
to
sell
other
than
administrative
services
at
these
programs.
Unless
they
have
you
folks,
they
don't
have
a
product
to
sell,
so
it
doesn't
make
sense
and
they
should
be
just
reimbursed
for
the
administrative
cost
of
it.
Not
this
Revenue,
sharing
that
we're
talking
about
so
I
appreciate
that
that's
a
position
you
folks
are
taking
and
Mr
chair
I
have
no
other
questions.
Okay,.
E
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
may
I.
Ask
two
questions.
Yes,
you
may
chair.
Thank
you,
sir.
You
mentioned
that
the
faculty
are
already
trained
and
you
mentioned
that
the
infrastructure
was
in
place.
Could
you
help
me
just
a
little
bit
with
why
it's
going
to
cost
2.3
million
okay.
L
To
implement
this
program,
yes
Senator
Douglas
we
offered
well.
Let
me
start
with
the
capacity
that
we
we
currently
have.
We
did
offer
training
in
quality
matters.
Basically,
it's
a
set
of
standards.
That
say
this
is
how
you
organize
and
facilitate
online
instruction
and
make
sure
it's
accessible.
Then
we
raise
that
bar
and
said.
Okay,
are
we
teaching
to
the
level
that
engages
the
student
and
make
sure
the
student
is
having
a
good
experience,
and
that
was
the
AQ
investment?
L
This
particular
contract
does
exactly
what
Senator
Marathon
was
talking
about
it.
It
helps
us
with
building
capacity
on
the
administrative
services,
so
it
helps
with
our
our
branding
our
marketing,
our
Enrollment
Services,
our
communication
services
around
that
enrollment,
the
support
services
that
that
are
needed,
that
we
don't
have
the
question
building
at
this
time.
It
also
further
enhances
our
once
they
redesign
our
instructional
look
and
feel
then
they'll
go
back
in
and
make
sure
that
the
faculty
they
use
the
faculty
as
subject
matter
experts.
L
So
if
we're
teaching
something
in
the
social
sciences,
The
Faculty
said
this
is
the
content
I
have.
This
is
what
I
want
the
children
to
learn,
learn
and
be
able
to
do
here's
how
I
am
going
to
approach
the
learning,
then
the
the
instructional
designers
will
help
that
content
come
to
life
so
that
that
faculty
member
will
stay
in
the
role
of
that
subject,
matter
expert
and
be
able
to
deliver
and
enhance
the
opportunity
for
those
students
to
engage
the
content,
regardless
of
if
their
rural
urban.
You
know
whatever
access
they
need.
L
L
In
the
graduate
program.
We
really
don't
have
a
dedicated
graduate
program,
Services
person,
so
we
have
to
build
capacity
on
how
to
manage
graduate
programming
instead
of
it
being
a
shared
responsibility
of
a
couple
of
people
and
not
that
they
will
give
us
that
individual
but
they'll
help
set
up
the
infrastructure
so
that
we
can
manage
that.
And
as
we
build
capacity
and
the
revenues
generated,
then
we
can
have
some
sustainable
practices
in
place
so
that
2.3
2.4
million
covers
the
beginning
and
end
of
operations
and
the
effort
to
build
capacity.
E
Last
question:
Circle.
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
my
last
question
then
I'll
shut
up
we
talk
about
this
should
generate
Revenue,
so
am
I
to
understand.
This
is
the
last
time
we'll
see
this
contract.
L
This
is
a
one-year
contract
to
get
us
up
and
going.
There
is
an
option
if,
if
we
need
it
to
to
come
back
and
it
may
help
us
further
development,
it
is
my
goal
to
make
sure
that
we
have
everything
in
place.
It's
difficult
to
say
how
that's
going
to
go
because
we're
relying
on
a
market
we
haven't,
haven't
embraced
yet
so
I'm
hoping.
But
if
there's
an
opportunity
a
contract
may
come
back,
they
gave
us
a.
We
asked
each
of
the
vendors.
L
C
A
C
L
Yes,
yes,
sir,
we
are,
in
fact,
as
part
of
our
management
Improvement
plan
and
partnership
with
the
Council
on
post-secondary
education
is
we're.
Actually
this.
This
item
is
also
listed
to
develop
online
Pathways
that
came
out
of
also
House
Bill
250..
We
we
are
approaching
the
expansion
of
online
programs
and
the
way
we
started
with
that
was
a
viability
study
of
what
we
currently
have
in
in
all
our
programs.
What
we're
offering
so
we
we
have
typically
been
a
mile
wide,
an
inch
deep.
L
You
know
we
can
offer
everything
to
everybody,
but
we're
not
really
getting
much
traction,
so
the
viability
study
helped
us
call
that
down
to
what
do
we
need
to
offer?
What
is
our
Market?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
impact
that
market
so
we're
doing
the
same
thing
with
online
to
make
sure
we
go
from
there
so
yeah
we
have
a
doctorate
program
in
nursing.
We
have
three
Master's
programs.
We
hope
to
have
an
additional
two
Master's
programs,
one
in
cyber
security.
L
Actually,
we
have
we're
shifting
that
to
online
one
in
network
at
Administration
that
is
Shifting
to
to
an
online
environment,
and
we
also
want
to
grow
a
program
in
public
health
and
public
health
administration.
L
A
Any
other
questions,
if
not
we're
going
to
need
two
separate
motions
for
each
one
for
each
item.
Oh
man.
M
A
So
we're
going
to
go
before
we
go
on
to
item
number
eight
on
the
golden
raw
list.
Let's
go
ahead
and
get
a
motion
for
item
number
49
on
the
routine
PSC
green
list.
That.
C
A
E
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
this
is
a
a
worthy
way
to
go,
but
given
that
our
programs
are
supposed
to
be
Revenue,
generating
I'm,
I'm
gonna
really
take
the
high
road
and
assume
that
the
people
that
we're
working
with
are
trying
to
make
them
Revenue
generating
as
quickly
as
possible
and
so
I
I'm
voting
I,
with
the
expectation
that
we
will
not
see
multiple
contracts
like
this
in
the
future.
M
E
B
C
A
Motion
passed
and
at
this
time
since
you're
all
still
at
the
table,
let's
go
ahead
and
talk
about
item
number,
eight
on
the
Golden
Rod
list,
it's
10,
000
and
under
and
Senator
mayor.
Do
you
have
a
question
on
that.
I
Yes,
I
do
brief
and
I
think
you
folks
know
what
the
the
issue
is.
I
appreciate
the
explanation
I
just
want
to
make
sure
they're
all
on
the
same
page.
K
Got
we've
got
obviously
a
transition
in
staff,
and
this
is
a
case
where
the
grant
is
funded
every
year
through
the
collaborative
Center
for
literacy
development
through
the
state
to
train
teachers
in
Reading.
What
happens
is
every
year
we
get
a
new
memorandum
of
agreement
last
year
in
July
2022.
K
When
the
memorandum
came,
the
pi
one
of
the
faculty
members
at
the
University
sent
it
to
the
Provost
at
that
time
to
get
signature
and
then,
when
she
went
to
begin
expending
the
funds
she
contacted
our
office
I'm
in
Grants
and
sponsored
programs
to
figure
out
how
to
pay
Dr
Higgins
in
the
past.
Dr
Higgins
was
the
primary
investigator
of
this
Grant
and
she
was
an
employee
of
K-State.
So
this
year
it
was
new
because
she
had
to
be
paid
outside.
She
was
on
the
pro
vendor
List.
K
When
she
contacted
us,
we
did
some
investigation
again
I'm
new
since
March.
All
this
transition
and
staff
were
backpedaling,
trying
to
find
paperwork.
The
Grant
had
not.
The
memorandum
had
not
been
signed,
so
we
sent
it
to
legal
counsel
at
that
time,
took
all
the
steps
necessary
to
get
everything.
You
know
legal
binding
what
we
needed,
sent
it
through
and
then
found
out.
We
had
to
do
the
personal
service
contract.
I
was
unaware
of
that.
K
Neither
was
the
pi,
so
we
followed
every
step
documented
everything
sent
it
through
the
problem
with
the
payment,
obviously
being
laid.
Is
she
had
started
this
in
January
just
reaching
out
when
the
pi
said?
Oh,
we
need
to
pay
her
in
April
the
work
had
been
going
on.
The
grant
actually
ended
in
June
June
30th,
the
total
Grant
ended.
The
legislature
is
not
funding
in
any
more
the
collaborative
centers.
K
So
that's
why
we
relate
getting
this
up
and
I
do
understand
that
that
is
not
ideal
and
we've
got
steps
in
place
to
ensure
this
does
not
happen
again.
We've
got
staff,
we've
got
policies.
Our
office
is
fully
staffed
and
we're
working
with
all
the
pis
on
campus
for
all
their
Grant
and
accounting
needs
and
I
apologize
that
it
is
retroactive,
No,.
I
K
I
But
in
a
different
time,
the
number
of
retroactive
requests
that
we
receive
were
voluminous
and
that's
not
the
way
we
should
do
business,
so
this
just
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
and
we
all
understand
this.
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
and
I
try
to
tell
people
that
when
we
approve
a
contract,
it's
like
the
Good
Housekeeping
seal
of
approval.
The
general
public
should
know
that
this
is
a
good
contract.
It
does
fit
the
parameters
of
model
procurement
code.
I
J
A
D
A
H
A
N
I
Thank
you,
Miss
Sharon.
Thank
you.
Mr
Barnes,
It's
good
to
see
you
again
and
I'm,
not
on
the
pension
oversight,
so
our
interaction
is
kind
of
limited,
so
just
one
opportunity
to
say
hello
see
how
your
summer
is
going.
Thank
you
very
good,
sir.
Thank
you.
No
I
do
have
a
question
and
both
these
contracts
are
relatively
small
in
amount.
85,
000,
85,
000,
each
and
the
question
I
have
both
firms
their
rates
exceed
the
maximum
rate
guidelines.
Yes,
sir
and
I
hope
you
appreciate.
When
we
get
these
contracts,
we
don't
get
the
contracts.
I
All
we
get
is
a
thumbnail
description
of
what
the
contracts
are
for.
Yes,
sir,
and
for
both
these
contracts,
the
description
is
identical.
So
my
question
is
very
simply
then,
if
they're
identical,
then
why
are
we
paying
one
firm,
477
dollars
per
hour
in
another
firm,
three
hundred
dollars
per
hour?
Why
don't
we
just
let
that
firm
that
has
300
per
hour
do
all.
N
The
work,
a
good
good
question,
I
I,
think
we're
getting
very
deeply
discounted
rates
for
both
of
these
firms.
N
I
would
think
that
probably
they're
charging
other
clients
upwards
of
600
an
hour,
but
because
we're
a
government
entity
we
got
some
favorable
treatment
and
we've
same
prices
last
year
for
both
of
these
ice
Miller
is
the
one
at
the
higher
rate
we've
used
them
for
10
years
and
Williams
and
Jensen
is
a
lower
rate
that
Washington
DC,
firm
and
I
think
we
were
able
to
negotiate
a
more
deeply
discounted
fee
with
them
because
they're
new
they
were
they
got.
N
We
were
added
them
to
our
list
of
attorneys
with
the
last
RFP
that
was
issued
and
I
think
they
wanted
to
get
our
business
and
show
that
they
could
do
a
good
job
and
that
we
should
retained
them.
I
would
expect
their
fee
will
go
up
with
the
next
RFP
that
they
will
request
more
now.
There
are
differences
in
the
two.
You
are
correct.
We
have
some.
N
Description,
they're
both
large
firms
and
provide
a
lot
of
services
ice
Miller.
We
rely
on
more
for
federal
tax
compliance,
so
we
have
up
to
eighty
five
thousand
dollar
amount
for
them.
We
expended
ten
thousand
a
little
under
eleven
thousand
dollars
for
services
rendered
last
fiscal
year,
but
we
use
them
a
lot
for
some
really
difficult
federal
tax
compliances.
They
really
are
specialized
in
Williams
and
Jensen,
although
they
do
that
as
well.
N
We
use
them
primarily
on
the
health
insurance
side
to
the
you
know,
Monitor
and
help
us
make
sure
we
are
following
federal
health
care
law
and
also
taking
full
advantage
of
federal
health
care
subsidies,
that's
kind
of
their
area
specialty,
so
we
use
them
almost
exclusively
on
health
insurance
and
ice
Miller
for
federal
tax
law
compliance,
and
we
expended
about
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
of
the
up
to
85
000
limit
on
Williams
and
Jensen
for
services
or
in
their
last
fiscal
year.
I
Well,
I
know
sitting
on
this
committee
since
I
think
it
was
2018
that
there's
a
long-standing
relationship
with
ice
Miller.
Another
good
firm,
very
reputable
I'm,
just
always
concerned
that
we
get
too
comfortable
with
the
folks
that
we
work
with,
and
we
don't
do
our
financial
due
diligence
and
trying
to
make
sure
we're
getting
the
best
price
and
yeah
I'm
I'm
like
you.
I,
would
anticipate
next
time
that
Williams
Jensen
comes
their
fees
going
to
go
up
yes,
enlargement,
because
they
know
we're
paying
ice,
Miller
477
dollars
per
hour.
I
I
Well,
you
know
my
background's
in
healthcare
and
you
know
we
talk
about
paying
rates
like
this
I
think
it's
interesting
and,
of
course,
I've
been
retired
since
2013,
but
you
know
we
can
have
a
surgeon,
do
a
surgical
procedure
and
only
get
paid
125
dollars,
and
so
we're
talking
about
upper
pressures
on
on
these
fees
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
gotten
out
of
kilter
here,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
legal
fees.
It's
they're
too
excessive,
but
again,
I
understand
it
is
what
it
is
and
that's
all
I
have
Mr
chair.
A
A
E
B
D
A
M
O
Go
hello,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
Jordan
Smith
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
government
and
institutional
relations
at
Murray,
State,
okay,.
A
O
I
You
this
is
a
continuation
discussion
we
had
last
month
and
I
think
last
month
it
was
Eastern
Kentucky
University
in
Moorhead,
and
the
concern
I
have
with
these
contracts
are
all
multi
in
their
categories
and
I
appreciate
that
I've
always
if
we
follow
the
true
intent
of
chapter
45a
anytime,
that
a
contract's
issued
should
come
to
this
committee.
So
we're
kind
of
giving
you
folks
carte
launch
privilege
to
to
prove
these
by
category.
I
But
we
don't
know
who
the
vendors
are
and
we
don't
know
how
the
amounts
are
so
I'm
trying
to
put
some
accountability
into
the
process.
So
I
can't
question
the
specifics
of
the
contracts,
because
I
have
no
some
specifics
available
to
me.
But
you
know
we
look
at
something
like
mechanical
intellectual
engineering,
1.8
million.
I
You
know
how
do
I
know
this
isn't
and
Jordan
Smith
mechanical
in
the
electrical
engineering
and
we
go
down
the
land
survey
or
how
do
I
know
this
in
Jordan,
Smith,
lens,
surveyor
and
I
know
I've
been
just
kind
of
ridiculous,
but
I
hope
you
can
see
the
Dilemma
that
I
have,
and
while
we
asked
EKU
and
Moorhead
to
do
was
I
mean
we're
in
essence
improving
a
budget
we're
not
approving
expenditures.
We're
a
budgeted
amount
here.
So
I'm
curious
for
each
of
these
categories.
How
much
was
spent
last
year.
J
I
Know
again
what
you're
asking
for
this
next
year,
but
that
helps
them
put
all
this
into
the
perspective.
Sure
and
I
would
hope.
This
is
a
process
we
could
do
every
year.
Then
here's
what
we
asked
for
last
year:
here's
what
we
spent
here's,
what
we're
from
the
next
year,
just
to
make
sure
that
things
are
aligned
and
I
know.
I
We've
got
some
great
inflationary
pressures
and
I
anticipate
some
of
these
behind
I
would
move
Mr
chair
that
we
improve
all
these
contracts,
but
I
asked
a
commitment
from
Jordan
here
that
we
could
be
provided
with
this
information.
Yeah.
O
I
Also
I'd
say
the
vendor
list
absolutely.
O
I
have
the
vendor
list
with
me
that
I
can
share
with
staff
after
the
committee
meeting
and
I
I
want
to
say
to
Mr
Mr
chairman
Senator
Meredith.
Thank
you
all
for
the
asset
preservation
money,
because
the
only
reason
we're
able
to
do
a
lot
of
these
projects
is
because
of
the
47.1
million
dollars.
You
guys
gave
to
Murray
State
an
asset
preservation
funds,
and
then
we
obviously
added
the
seven
million
dollar
match
and
getting
back
also
to
your
point.
I
do
want
to
make
one
reference.
O
The
reason
the
amounts
in
each
of
these
contract
numbers
are
larger
than
the
previous
year
is
because
we're
actually
running
into
the
same
problem.
A
lot
of
folks
in
the
private
sector
are
we're
having
to
use
a
pool
of
price
contracts
for
each
of
these
contract
numbers.
Just
to
give
us
the
flexibility
of
if
one
firm
can't
finish
the
project
or
runs
into
issues.
Well,
then
we
can
go
to
our
price
contract
list
and
say
well.
Another
vendor's
been
approved,
so
let's
enter
into
a
contract
with
them
and
we
will
not
get
near.
O
I
We
first
started
this
discussion
with
the
University
of
Kentucky
because
again
voluminous
contracts
that
they
were
requesting
and
they
assured
to
say:
well,
we
don't
spend
that
much
every
year.
Well
then,
how
much
do
you
spend
and
I
think
their
budget
for
contracts
from
like
300
million
it?
We
don't
know
how
much
spent
so
they
provide
us
to
report
each
September
as
to
here's.
What
we
ask
for
here's,
what
we
spend
some
sure
yeah
just
bring
some
accountability
to
the
process
and
keeps
everybody
straight
and
keeps
everybody
clean,
so
I.
A
O
Absolutely
so
in
within
this
list
you
know,
for
example,
the
structural
and
subsurface
psc00824,
that's
for
one
of
our
oldest
buildings,
Blackburn
science
building
to
do
a
structural
assessment
to
determine
what
the
longevity
of
that
building
is
moving
forward.
There's
a
lot
of
HVAC
upgrades
and
a
lot
of
our
older
buildings
under
the
energy
management
PSC,
for
example,
we're
putting
in
a
new
fiber
ring
all
over
campus,
so
fiber
upgrades
Chestnut
Street
at
Murray
State.
We
have
a
walking
bridge
over
it,
so
we're
in
the
process
now
finishing
that.
O
A
Right
well,
thank
you.
So
much
I
have
a
motion
by
Senator.
Meredith
for
approval.
Do
I
have
a
second
second
by
representative
Paul,
all
in
favor
vote
aye
all
opposed
vote.
No
clerk,
please
call
their
own.
E
All
right,
but
I
do
want
to
explain
my
vote.
I
I
vote.
I
would,
with
the
hope
that
you
will
provide
us
with
the
information
that
that
Senator
Meredith
has
asked
for.
Yes,.
O
B
D
A
A
A
I
Gets
old
saying
that
Mr
chair,
appreciate
you
being
with
us
this
morning,
just
want
some
explanation
on
this
contract
because
again
always
gets
thumbnail
descriptions
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
But
it
says,
provide
funds
for
organizational
recruitment
organization
or
recruitment,
marketing
branding
strategies,
including
development,
strategic
sourcing
plans
that
facilitate
diversity
of
applicants
after
award,
and
that's
where
I
start
to
get
lost.
P
Yes,
so
these
this
contract
is
part
of
a
recruiting
marketing
strategy
as
a
tool
for
the
Statewide
agencies,
so
to
enhance
the
opportunity
for
agencies
to
recruit,
retain
and
ensure
we're
getting
the
best
possible
Workforce.
We
wanted
to
create
additional
options
for
them
to
be
able
to
work
with
a
consultant
to
basically
build
strategies
that
were
specific
to
those
particular
agencies.
I
will
note
that
these
are
a
an
up
to
the
the
contract
amount.
It's
an
up-to
amount.
P
There
is
no
guarantee
of
payment
for
or
of
that
anybody
will
actually
make
money
on.
This
is
up
to
the
agency
to
determine
that
the
services
are
needed
wanted
and
can
be
provided.
Ultimately,
awards
were
given
to
two
vendors.
The
way
we
envisioned
this
working,
the
agency
Desiring,
this
type
of
Recruitment
and
marketing
help
will
Define
a
scope
of
work,
some
committed
to
the
Personnel
cabinet
that
will
then
get
approved
and
then
submitted
to
both
vendors
to
basically
rebid
it
and
compete
against
one
another
to
see
who
can
best
serve
the
agency.
P
And
then
the
agency
will
make
the
final
determination
as
to
which
vendor
to
go
with
and
then
oversee
the
production
of
their
of
the
ensure
the
completion
of
that
scope
of
work.
P
Well,
I
think
it's
well
documented
Senator
that
we
have
numerous
open
positions
throughout
state
government.
The
number
of
applicants
that
are
that
are
appearing
on
our
registers
have
severely
declined
recently
and
we're
facing
the
same
pressures
that
most
of
Kentucky
employers
and
corporate
employers
across
the
country
are
that
it
is
difficult
to
attract,
retain
or
train
and
retain
and
keep
qual
good
quality
applicants
that.
P
I
P
No,
they
no,
they
they
won't
just
Define
like
their
need.
They
will
decide
what
we
want
to
get
done.
What
are
the
items
that
we
want?
Each
vendor
provides
a
like
a
has
a
list
of
services
that
they
provide,
whether
it's
be
Street,
strategic
planning,
recruitment,
help,
assisting
with
devising
interview,
information
or
or
our
list
of
services,
and
so
they
will
decide
what
services
do
we
really
need
that
will
be
targeted
to
help
us,
attract
the
applicants
and
then
put
together
like
a
what
are
we
asking
the
vendors
to
produce?
P
There's
actually
two
Awards
All-Star
Talent
was
another
contract
that
was
awarded
they
have.
Their
contract
has
been
deferred
to
next
month's
gcrc
meeting.
I
P
Part
of
the
need
that
is
ongoing
is
that
the
hiring
process
in
the
state
is
always
very
time
consuming
and
we
often
miss
out
on
candidates
because
of
that
we're
hope.
The
hope
of
this
is
to
provide
flexibility
and
to
be
able
to
move
more
address
the
needs
in
a
more
timely
and
Speedy
manner
to
ensure
that
we're
not
losing
out
to
competitors
who
can
act
quicker.
P
No,
it
it
it's
throughout
the
all
agencies.
Ultimately,
all
of
our
agencies
are
taxed,
with
with
difficulty,
meeting
staff
fully
Staffing
themselves
and
meeting
all
of
their
ready
demands.
P
Adding
to
that
trying
to
develop
marketing
strategies
and
to
recruit
things
is,
is
very
difficult
and
they
don't
have
the
staff
to
maintain
that
this
gives
them
an
option
to
then
employ
these
so
that
they
can
get
I
mean
it's
difficult
to
take
employees
off
of
state
required
duties
and
jobs
to
have
them
brain
to
create
marketing
strategies
or
develop
interview
questions
when
you,
it
may
be
potentially
helpful
to
have
a
vendor
who
helps
Market
that
and
brings
those
quality
counters
too
quickly.
So
the
state
can
move
more
quickly
to
make
hiring
decisions.
We're.
I
P
I
mean
I,
ultimately,
I'll
have
to
say
I'm
not
may
have
to
defer,
ultimately
to
finance
and
to
to
the
different
agencies.
My
belief
in
understanding
is
this
is
provided
quick
flexibility
to
meet
ever-changing
demands
and
that
individualized
rfps
would
be
difficult
and
more
time
consuming
to
try
to
accomplish
that
goal
again.
This
does
limit.
P
I
mean
this
is
not
a
guaranteed
expenditure,
but
it
allows
the
agencies
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
would
be
useful
tool
and
then
pay
as
it
make
pick
the
services,
basically
a
la
carte
and
pay
as
they
go,
and
to
ensure
that
they're,
profitable
I
will
also
note
that
this
is
a
Statewide
contract.
So
it's
not
just
executive
branch
agencies
that
can
use
these
Services
if
lrc
or
AOC,
or
even
our
universities
would
may
need
these
Services.
I
P
10
10
10
there
were
10,
responsive
or
10
Vin
proposals,
eight
were
determined
to
be
responsive,
two
were
determined
to
not
be
responsive,
so
those
eight
were
then
evaluated
based
on
the
scoring
criteria
and
two
contracts
were
awarded.
J
P
Again,
the
way
they
priced
it
is
the
vendors
is
they've,
outlined
the
services
they're
available
to
provide
and
base
those
on
a
per
hourly
rate
for
providing
those
services.
And
so
then,
if
agency
provides
a
scope
of
work,
the
vendor
will
determine
well.
We
can
do
that
work,
we
can
accomplish
your
goal
and
these
are
the
services
that
will
be
needed.
These
are
the
number
of
hours
that
we
think
we
will
need
and
that'll
give
the
agency
an
amount
on
which
to
base,
so
they
can
do.
P
P
It
is
yeah,
it
is
just
a
and
a
an
estimate.
This
is
a
a
new
tool.
This
is
something
that
we
haven't
tried
before,
and
it
is
try
to
ensure
that
there
was
plenty
of
room
that
multiple
agencies
could
use
this,
but
it
is
absolutely
not
a
guarantee
that
Floyd
or
All-Star
will
receive
the
the
that
kind
of
money.
Q
And
the
the
RFP
did
require
that
the
vendors
submit
cost
proposals
and
those
cost
proposals
would
have
been
compared
against
other
vendors
cost
proposals,
and
that
was
part
of
the
scoring.
R
I
I
Well,
obviously,
my
concern
is
if
this
is
a
million
dollar
contract
not
to
exceed
million,
then
probably
end
up
being
a
million
dollars,
but
you've
kind
of
given
me
some
comfort
and
how
this
is
handled.
But
I
still
don't
know
that
this
is
the
most
cost-effective
means
the
way
you're
doing
this,
but
I'll
refer
to
your
judgment,
Mr
chair,
that's
all
the
questions.
I
have.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I,
have
to
admit
I
I'm
a
little
slow,
I'm
more
confused.
Now
after
the
explanation
that
I
was
we
before
we
got
started
because
we
talked
about
replacing
positions
or
or
being
able
to
recruit
people
for
positions,
because
they're
and
and
I
heard
the
statement
that
there
are
multiple
positions
that
are
open,
I,
I,
guess
my
question
Mr
chair
is:
do
we
assess
in
our
state
government
if
a
position
is
open,
whether
that
position
even
needs
to
be
filled
or
not?
Yes,.
P
The
the
position
open
positions
are
assessed
and
if
a
position
remains
open
for
for
a
particular
period
of
time,
they're
subject
to
being
like
eliminated,.
E
My
concern
my
concern
is
that
is
that
and
I
apologize
Mr
chair.
E
My
concern
is
that
we
recruit
people
before
we
assess
whether
or
not
we
need
to
continue
with
those
particular
positions
being
open,
which
unfortunately
allows
state
government
to
continue
to
be
this
huge
giant
that
that
walks,
our
Commonwealth
and
and
if
we're,
trying
to
be
more
efficient
in
our
state
government,
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
how
we're
trying
to
streamline
things
and
and
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
how
we're
assessing
whether
or
not
particular
positions
need
to
be
filled
and
then
once
we
determine
that
they
need
to
be
filled.
E
P
If
I
can
try
to
address
it,
a
little
bit
from
a
high
level,
I
mean
positions
for
different
agencies.
If
they
remain
open
and
go
unfilled,
they
are
subject
to
being
stricken
or
removed
agencies
if
they
want
to
prevent
that,
and
it
happens
as
a
matter
of
course,
there
is
a
and
I
I
apologize.
I,
don't
have
the
exact
time
you
know
or
how
long
it
is.
P
But
if
an
agency
wants
to
preserve
that
position,
they
have
to
produce
a
justification
as
to
why
that
position
needs
to
remain
so.
There
is
always
ongoing
kind
of
evaluation
of
whether
a
position
needs
to
remain
these
contracts
will
not
I
mean
recruiting
won't
just
happen.
Recruiting
will
only
happen
if
an
agency
determines
hey,
we
have
a
shortfall,
we
cannot
retain
or
attract
good
candidates
for
jobs
that
we
desperately
need,
and
then
we
want
to
use
this
tool
to
help
us
do
that.
Thank.
E
J
A
E
C
D
A
Yes,
motion
carries
and
our
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
item
106
and
that's
the
office
of
the
controller
as
well
and
I
do
believe.
Senator
Meredith
has
a
question
comment.
Q
Correct
this
is
a
contract
for
for
covet
testing,
the
utilizing
agencies
or
the
Department
of
Corrections
and
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services.
Q
So
Senator
I
believe
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
and-
and
we
have
Representatives
here
from
the
cabin
for
Health
and
Family
Services
and
I
believe
the
Department
of
Corrections.
That
can
more
specifically
address
that.
But
it's
my
understanding
that,
since
the
end
of
the
coveted
emergency
that
they
have
changed,
the
administration
of
how
covet
testing
is
done,
and
it's
now
done
on
a
as
needed
basis.
When
you
know
individuals
are,
you
know,
are
having
symptoms.
Instead
of
you
know
more
wide-ranging
testing,
I.
Q
Q
A
S
I'm
Stephanie
Craycraft
and
I'm
Deputy
Commissioner
for
the
Department
for
Behavioral,
Health,
Developmental
and
intellectual
disabilities
and
I
do
have
we
prior
to
the
end
of
the
public
health
emergency.
Our
expenditures
were
running
around
300
000
per
month
and
in
June
it
dropped
all
the
way
to
50
000..
So
again,
we're
only
following
the
new
CDC
guidelines,
which
is
to
test
folks
that
are
symptomatic.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
If
that
amount
has
dropped,
I'm
I'm,
seeing
the
contract
says
no
increase
or
decrease
I'm
having
a
again
I'm
I'm,
not
as
sharp
as
some
of
these
other
people
up
here,
but
but
we've
had
a
dramatic
decrease
in
what
we're
requiring
each
month.
Why
is
the
amount
of
the
contract
the
same.
Q
I'll
I'll
address
that
from
the
finance
cabinet's
perspective.
If,
if
we
have
a
request
to
either
increase
or
decrease
the
amount
of
a
contract,
we
will
do
so.
In
this
particular
instance,
there
was
just
it's
a
not
to
exceed
amount,
and
so
you
know
the
actual
spend
as
long
as
it
remains
less
than
the
actual
than
the
not
to
exceed
amount.
There's
there's
no
real
reason
that
you
would
have
to
adjust
the
contract
amount.
D
Yeah
just
clarification,
this
54
million
it
you
did
say
this
is
federal
dollars.
That's.
Q
S
M
And
we
are
actually
offering
up
the
funds
to
our
sister
agency
to
cover
the
cost
and
they
are
CDC
expanding,
lab
capacity,
funds
and
they're
to
be
used
between
now
and
6,
30
or
2024..
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
just
a
comment.
You
know,
President
Biden
said
it's
covet's
over
and
we
see
covet
testing.
We
see
54
million
dollars,
so
that's
kind
of
the
you
know
just
obviously
the
questions
and
the
discussions
we're
having
this
morning
so
I
can
get
again.
Clarification
on
some
things,
so
I
was
kind
of
confused.
I
was
hoping
that
we're
I
know
covet
is
good,
it's
obviously
in
my
hometown,
right
now
with
different
ones,
but
obviously
anyway.
Those
are
my
concerns.
Those
are
my
questions.
Thank
you.
A
E
I'm
voting
I
and
the
coveted
emergency
is
over
and
has
been
over
for
quite
some
time.
I
think
and
I
know.
E
These
are
federal
funds,
but
even
at
the
federal
level
we
need
to
in
our
states
be
conscious
of
some
of
the
fuzzy
math
that's
going
on,
and
we
we
know
that
we're
having
some
trouble
in
our
elementary
schools
and
our
high
schools
and
post-secondary
schools
with
regard
to
our
math,
but
we're
also
having
funds
in
our
adult
world,
with
with
respect
to
our
math
and
I'm,
just
hoping
that
we
can
all
start
taking
a
look
at
these
funds
and
know
that
these
funds
are
coming
from
the
taxpayers
and
they're
not
just
coming
up
from
the
ground.
E
B
D
A
A
Okay,
and
would
you
please
raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
solemnly
swear
to
tell
the
truth
the
whole
truth,
nothing,
but
the
truth
I
do.
Thank
you
all
right,
I've
got
a
question
on
this
one
as
well
as
I.
Think
Senator
Merritt
does
too,
but
I'm
gonna
give
him
a
break.
I'll
go
first,
this
time
the
the
increase
with
with
you
know
for
the
past
30
years
or
so.
A
Our
Personnel
evidence
shown
that
the
Kentucky's
Personnel
system
has
not
kept
up
with
the
wage
activity
across
the
country
and
the
employee
activity
in
the
state
or
in
our
government
has
not
been
adequately
assessed
and
reassessed
with
the
changing
changing
climate
and
Changing
Times
within
the
last
30
years.
So
I
guess.
My
question
is:
why
do
we
continue
going
back
to
the
same,
consulting
firm
or
the
same
organization
to
do
this.
P
Well,
I
will
note
that
the
consulting
firm
that
we
use
has
been
their
modific
or
their
methodology
has
been
implemented
in
Kentucky
since
1987.
it
has
evolved
and
been
evaluated
and
has
been
modified
and
updated
over
those
times.
P
They
also
service
32
other
states.
They
are
respected
in
the
Private
Industry
and
internationally.
They
have
an
offices
close
to
us
as
Cincinnati
and
the
office
we
deal
with
most
often
is
in
I
think
Maryland
Washington
to
DC
area
as
their
corporate
kind
of
headquarters.
The
reality
is
that
to
suddenly
shift
or
change
would
be
a
a
a
my
understanding,
a
Monumental
task
and
a
large
financial
obligation.
Now
it
may
be
something
that
we
do
need
to
explore
and
I
think
is
part
of
what
the
requirements
of
this
particular
modification
are.
P
As
you
all,
wear
House
Bill
444
set
a
deadline
of
November
1st
for
the
Personnel
cabinet
to
complete
it's
job
classification
review
as
part
of
that
process
of
trying
to
ensure
that
we
are
can
have
information
that
we
can
adjust
and
to
help.
The
legislature
in
is
making
its
decision
making
that
bill
also
specifically
appropriated
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
Personnel
cabinet,
effective
this
fiscal
year
for
contractual
assistance
in
completing
that
evaluation.
P
So
this
amendment,
is
it
basically
to
expend
those
funds
with
our
contractor
to
help
us
complete
that
evaluation
secretary
Bailey
testified
last
month,
I
think
before
the
interim
joint
committee
on
Appropriations
and
revenue.
We
we
do
believe
we
are
on
track
to
complete
that
review
by
the
November
first
deadline.
We
are
approximately
70
percent,
have
70
percent
of
the
job?
Classifications
have
in
fact
been
reviewed
and
are
being
compiled,
and
this
modification
will
allow
us
to
continue
that
work
as
basically
directed
by
House
Bill
444.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
also
I
mean
this
is
this
is
more
of
a
common
just
more
so
that
we
can
have
the
consistency
of
our
message
within
this
committee.
This
good.
This
contract
naturally
has
already
been
awarded
sometime
back,
but
we
are
still
dealing
with
the
California
company
and
as
long
as
California
Keeps
Us
on
their
no
business
list.
We
we
as
a
state
in
the
Commonwealth,
need
to
take
that
into
consideration
when
we're
working
on
this
and
and
you
all,
we've
we've
had
this
discussion
before
I'm
just
note.
J
I
So
I'm
sure
you
recall,
we've
had
several
discussions
about
corn
ferry
over
this
last
year
and
it
has
been
in
place
since
the
mid
80s,
which
was
a
almost
a
different
world
ago.
But
you
know
the
contract
description
says
that
they're
going
to
identify
up
to
100,
distinct
positions
to
be
including
the
job
evaluation
review
is,
is
part
of
their
annual
review
of
our
program.
I
P
So
I
I
have
to
concede
that
I
don't
totally
understand
their
methodology,
but
the
methodology
is
proprietary.
It's
been
implemented
into
our
Merit
system
and
then,
ultimately,
we
have
an
ongoing
contract
them
that
they
provide
training
and
assistance
to
us,
but
how
much
review
and
how
much
they
can
do
from
year
to
year
is
is
very
much
dependent
on
the
resources
that
can
be
allocated
to
them.
P
I
think
for
the
past,
the
in
most
years,
the
the
contract
amounts
have
been
very
small
and
have
not
been
a
provided
not
had
the
funds
to
actually
be
able
to
complete
a
full
review
of
these
shop
classifications.
We
appreciate
the
new
emphasis
and
the
we
very
much
are
thankful
to
the
legislature
for
granting
us
this
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
will
enable
us
I
also
know
that
recent
legislation
has
made
it
a
mandatory
that
we
complete
this
kind
of
evaluation
every
five
years.
P
That's
going
to
be
a
bit
of
a
challenge
they
as
Senator
Douglas
mentioned.
The
state
government
is
a
large
entity,
but
with
appropriate
funding,
We
believe
We.
We
should-
and
this
should
be,
a
process
that
has
continued
over
every
five
years
and
that
we
will
get
that
be
able
to
have
that
better
information,
but
I
think.
Ultimately,
the
real
answer
is
just
that:
there's
not
been
funding
to
pursue
that
kind
of
review
with
the
contractor
in
the
past.
I
I
Think
from
this
it
looks
like
that
product
isn't
deficient,
I
think
it's
rather
ironic
that
our
legislature
has
allocated
additional
half
a
million
dollars
to
do
this
and
the
increase
is
560
thousand
dollars
is
kind
of
like
showing
our
hand
before
we
actually
play
the
hand,
but
I'm
I'm
just
be
quite
I.
Don't
like
this
firm
I,
don't
like
this
relationship,
I
think
part
of
the
struggles
we
see.
I
The
personal
cabinet
is
because
of
this
structure
that
they
have
been
placed
and
I
just
wonder
at
one
point
in
time,
we're
going
to
say:
let's
see
what
else
is
out
there
that
may
do
a
better
job
and
be
more
effective,
but
I
just
have
troubles
with
this
contract,
but
that's
all
I
have
Mr
chair.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
I.
Just
have
a
quick
question.
Are
we
looking
at
more
than
a
200
percent
increase
in
what
you're
asking
for
am
I
reading
this
right.
E
E
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
but
what
I'm
reading
is
more
than
a
200
percent
increase
that
that's
what
I'm
reading
and
in
in
a
city
of
America
has
said.
E
We
haven't
at
least
I
I
can't
find
evidence
of
it
either
that
we've
looked
at
other
companies
that
might
be
able
to
provide
something
similar
for
Less
there
may
have
they
may
there
may
be
I.
I
would
just
ask
that
in
the
future
when
these
contracts
come
to
us.
I
just
want
want
the
cabinet
to
know
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
that,
whether
or
not
we
can
start
saving
the
taxpayers
some
money,
200
percent
is
a
lot,
is
a
big
increase
and
I
just
want
to
express
my
concern
for
that.
Thank.
P
You
and
you're
you're
correct.
It
is
a
large
increase,
but
it
was
an
increase
directed
To
Us
by
the
legislature
in
the
passage
of
444.
For
this
purpose,
with
the
time
constraints
of
the
job
classification
review
and
given
the
nature
of
the
methodology
that's
being
employed,
it
is
just
simply
not
practical
to
bid
this
out
to
a
new
vendor,
I'm,
not
even
sure
another
vendor
could
do
it
in
this.
P
In
this
situation,
so
I
I
understand
the
committee's
concerns
and
I
believe
that
that's
kind
of
what
the
aim
of
House
Bill
444,
the
job
classification
review,
is
kind
of
enable
the
agency
and
the
legislature
to
have
much
more
information
moving
forward.
But
in
this
scenario,
with
this
modification,
we're
kind
of
back
backed
into
a
corner
well,.
E
J
E
I,
don't
I
don't
want
to
get
in
in
any
blame
games.
What
I'm
looking
at
is,
how
can
we,
how
can
we
streamline
our
state
government,
which
is
why
people
send
us
here
to
guard
their
tax
dollars
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we'll
continue
to
hear
me
talk
about
is
guarding
our
tax
dollars
and
that
that
that's
the
only
reason
I
ask
these
questions
for
that
for
that
purpose.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
Mr
chair.
Thank
you.
J
A
If
not
do
I
have
a
motion
for
approval.
E
A
Second,
by
Senator
Douglas,
all
those
in
favor
of
both
all
those
opposed
vote,
no
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
D
I'm
gonna
explain
my
vote.
Okay.
This
is
my
first
opportunity
serve
on
this
committee
and
obviously
I'm
going
to
use
Senator
Douglas
I'm,
not
the
sharpest
tool
in
the
shed
sometimes.
But
what
few
times
I've
heard
is
we're
in
a
time,
restraint,
time,
restraint
and
again
there
might
be
all
these
different
situations
again.
D
This
is
my
first
time
but
I
think
the
committee's
been
pretty
consistent
on
if
we
have
optional
bids,
knowing
you've
done
your
homework
and
not
used
we're
in
a
time,
restraint
and
I'm,
not
talking
to
you
directly
I'm,
just
I've
heard
that
a
time
or
two
and
I
just
want
to
publicly
address
that
in
that
that's
not
the
best
excuse
and
I
know,
there's
certain
situations,
but
I
do
want
to
go
on
record
just
to
say
that
comment.
Thank
you.
I
Explain
my
vote.
Please
I
would
probably
acknowledge
that
I'm
not
the
sharpest
tool
in
the
either,
but
when
three
of
our
five
committee
members
admit
to
that
that
doesn't
speak
very
well
of
our
committee,
so
I'm
not
going
to
own
up
to
that.
She
said:
I,
don't
like
this
contract.
I
I
have
them
for
some
time,
but
in
order
to
meet
the
intent
of
House
Bill
444,
it's
something
that
obviously
had
to
proceed,
but
I
would
just
encourage
again
everyone
to
take
a
hard
look
at
what
we're
doing
in
the
future,
because
it
bothers
me
that
we've
been
married
to
this
system.
That's
proprietary
in
nature.
We
really
don't
know
anything
about
it.
It's
just
there
since
1987,
so
I
vote,
I.
A
We've
all
it's
been
recognized,
I've
been
on
the
committee
for
for
a
couple
years
now,
and
it's
been
talked
about
and
recognized
at
multiple
times
that
this
might
not
be
the
best
system
for
Kentucky
and
at
some
point
we've
got
to
move
the
Commonwealth
forward
and
and
at
some
point
the
time
constraints
it
and
I
realized
with
with
the
legislation
and
stuff
what
you're
up
against
and
that's
why
I'm
voting
our
yes,
however,
at
some
point,
we're
just
going
to
have
to
to
pull
the
Band-Aid
off
and
and
try
to
fix
this
or
or
move
forward
in
it
with
a
better
with
a
better
Direction
it.
A
Just
because
we've
been
in
this
relationship
since
1987.
that
that
explanation
is
starting
to
wear
a
little
thin
for
the
simple
fact:
we're
not
making
any
efforts
to
try
to
correct
it,
and
it's
it's
something
that
I've
heard
multiple
times
over
multiple
years
on
this
committee.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out,
but
I
do
understand
the
situation
you're
in
and
therefore
I
vote.
Yes
motion
carries
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
testimony.
Thank.
P
R
Good
morning,
chairman
Hart
representative
mayor
or
Senator
Meredith,
my
apologies
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
Bart
Hardin
I'm,
the
director
of
government
relations
I,
have
Barry
Swanson,
the
our
director
of
procurement,
and
you
have
pulled
a
contract
that
we
may
have
led
to
you
pulling
this
contract.
I
will
start
there.
This
is
a
contract.
You
saw.
A
A
R
I
think
we
may
have
led
to
a
little
bit
of
this
confusion
on
this
contract
and
it
may
be
a
technical
issue.
We
submitted
this
as
a
new
contract
when
actually,
this
is
the
second
year
of
a
three
excuse
me
a
three-year
Grant.
You
saw
this
contract
a
year
ago
and
I
understand
probably
why
this
contract
was
pulled,
given
the
fact
that
the
investigator
probably
resides
in
the
state
of
California.
R
She
is
part
of
the
grant
that
was
received
from
NIH
to
our
Department
of
Public
Health,
that
Grant
totaled
about
1.3
million
dollars
over
three
years.
This
investigator
that
resides
in
California
Dr
Rabin
is
doing
a
very
small
part
of
that
Grant
about
eight
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
provide
to
provide
analytical
data,
support
on
the
research
findings
of
our
Department
of
Public
Health
in
the
space
of
Diabetes
Research.
A
Well,
you
you've
pretty
much
answered
my
client
my
concern
and
once
again
my
concern
was
more
I.
Want
everybody
to
realize,
and
I
want
to
be
on
the
record
that
we're
given
a
consistent
message
here
with
California
contracts
in
the
situation
we
have
with
California
and
you
you've
you've
made
a
you've
answered
my
question
so
at
this
point,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Senator
Meredith.
R
J
R
R
T
I
Again,
you
know
the
objection
it
is,
but
since
we're
in
committed
to
I
guess
the
second
year
of
a
third
year,
Grant
I
will
begrudgingly
support
this
but
begrudgingly.
That's
all
I
have
Mr
chair
all.
I
A
By
representative
Paul,
he
beat
you
this
time
all
those
in
favor
vote
I
all
those
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
rail.
A
Motion
carries.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Thank
you.
Next
item
on
the
pool
list
are
with
the
department
for
Medicaid
services
and
our
numbers
63
through
68
on
the
routine
MOA
pink
list
and
item
19
on
the
5,
000
or
50
000
in
under
grade
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
come
for
it.
Please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
A
I
Say
we
know
a
little
about
the
difference
between
potential
versus
realize,
access
to
care
across
Kentucky,
sixth
Medicaid
Managed
Care
organizations,
or
whether
additional
differences
or
very
regionally,
as
well
as
across
mcos
I'll.
Leave
that
with
that,
but
just
add
the
editorial
statement
that
we
know
that
the
numbers
that
the
mcals
give
us
for
Network
adequacy
or
not
correct
numbers
and
that's
just
not
legislators
talking.
You
may
recall
that
we
pose
that
question
to
Dr
stack
as
well,
and
he
said
no,
it's
it's
not
legit.
V
I
would
like
to
to
first
off
by
talking
about
the
State
University
Partnerships,
the
State
University
Partnerships
are
a
long-standing
relationship
between
the
centers
for
Medicare
and
Medicaid
services
or
CMS
funds.
Approximately
70
percent
of
the
Medicaid
Program,
also
partnership
with
Medicaid
and
the
universities
across
the
state.
These
Partnerships
are
occur
around
every
two
years.
The
universities
themselves
submit
proposals
to
the
department.
We
evaluate
those
proposals
every
two
years
and
decide
whether
or
not
those
proposals
will
help
us
further.
M
V
V
This
particular
research
project
with
the
University
of
Kentucky
and
the
universities
do
pay
the
state
match
for
these
contracts,
so
it
does
not
come
out
of
the
Medicaid
budget,
so
the
this
particular
contract
will
actually
dig
into
our
data
and
do
more
in-depth
analysis
to
see
how
many
providers
see
how
many
patients
to
actually
tell
us
if
there
are
access
issues,
in
particular
provider,
sub
provider,
areas
or
in
the
regions.
So
it
will
help
us
verify
the
information
in
our
system
or
identify
gaps
in
care
gaps
in
Access
by
specific
MCO.
V
I
Appreciate
that
education,
what
you're
telling
me
for
all
these
contracts
that
I
had
pulled
that
these
were
in
essence,
proposals
that
came
from
the
universities
and
say
Here's
things
that
we
would
like
to
study
view,
review
them
and
say
it
has
value
to
the
indicate
program.
So,
yes,
we
will.
We
will
do
that
that.
I
I
Confidence
in
the
information
we
have
now
as
far
as
the
number
of
licensed
professionals
is
just
not
Physicians,
but
across
the
whole
broad
spectrum.
We
don't
know
what
the
mcls
are
using
as
their
Baseline.
You
know
we
have
say
500
physicians
in
Kentucky
and
just
throwing
out
a
number,
but
we
don't
know
how
current
that
information
is.
We
don't
know
how
many
have
stayed,
how
many
have
left,
how
many
have
retired?
I
How
many
are
limited
practices
two
or
three
days
a
week,
so
I'm
not
sure
we
always
get
an
Apples
to
Apples
comparison
and
again,
this
isn't
just
specific
to
Physicians
I.
Think
it's
every
licensed
profession
that
we
have
in
healthcare
in
Kentucky.
We
don't
have
good
information,
so
maybe
I
would
encourage
us
that
we
need
to
look
at
some
way
to
deal
with
the
the
licensure
standards
is
how
we
collect
this
information.
So
we
get
it
more
timely
and-
and
it
would
be
a
value
to
us.
V
That's
a
that's
a
very
good
Point,
Senator
Meredith
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
the
Medicaid
advisory
Council
that
makes
recommendations
to
the
department
for
Medicaid
services
on
a
routine
basis.
They
actually
made
a
recommendation
a
while
back
that
we
analyzed
the
workforce
of
the
state
of
Kentucky
and
its
impact
on
Medicaid.
V
We
have
a
tentative
or
a
draft
report
right
now
that
we're
looking
at
and
as
soon
as
that
report
is
complete,
we
will
be
sharing
that
with
a
medicated
advisory
Council,
and
we
will
also
be
more
than
happy
to
share
that
with
this
this
committee
or
any
other
committee.
That
would
be
interested
in
that
study
that
we
have
recently
updated.
I
Appreciate
that
we
need
to
make
sure,
since
we
don't
really
have
a
medication
function
has
been
incorporated
into
Health.
Services
is
how
we
get
that
information
conveyed
to
us,
because
we
do
need
that.
You
know
I
would
hope,
accept
the
process
where
it
automatically
comes
to
us,
rather
than
this
I
have
to
request
it
because
I
think
it's
important.
Let
me
move
on
to
the
other
contracts.
I
65
66
68
all
deal
with
maternal
Mental
Health.
Is
there
some
redundancy
there.
V
Well,
you
know
that
Kentucky
does
rank
near
the
bottom,
if
not
the
last,
in
maternal
morbidity,
so
each
of
these
contracts,
each
of
these
research
projects
are
different,
some
focus
on
the
specific
needs
or
the
specific
individual
children,
for
example,
some
focus
on
maternal
and
some
maybe
Regional,
but
each
one
has
a
distinct
difference
to
to
identify
issues
and
these
research
projects
also
again
they're
longitudinal
they're
over
a
two-year
period
and
at
the
end
of
that
period
we
hope
to
have
some
recommendations
that
will
help
the
department
for
Medicaid
services
amend
policies
that
will
improve
our
care
from
for
pregnant
postpartum
women.
I
V
The
no
the
center
for
Medicare
and
Medicaid
services
does
support
the
university
Partnerships
and
they
are
well
aware
that
we
in
other
states
use
their
universities
to
augment.
If
you
will
Medicaid
Personnel,
to
help
us
dig
into
our
data
and
do
more
in-depth
analysis.
So
this
is
supported
by
the
center
for
Medicare
Medicaid
services
and
they
do
pay
a
portion
which
is
a
approximately
half
of
the
cost
of
the
contracts.
V
V
We
focused
on
12
and
if
we
believe
that
we
want
to
pursue
those
research
projects,
we
will
go
back
to
the
universities
and
say
we
think
that
you
need
to
incorporate
this
into
the
research
or
this
or
remove
this,
and
so
we
do
work
with
them.
We
are
getting
better
at
that
relationship.
In
the
past,
it
was
just
research
projects
that
the
universities
could
publish.
V
Yes,
that
will
come
with
each
of
these
recommendations.
We
also
have
the
2022
reports
that
were
just
completed.
Those
will
be
posted
online
again,
more
than
happy
to
send
those
to
you,
Senator
Meredith
or
anyone
that
you
would
like
to
get
copies
of
those
in
the
Health
and
Welfare
commit
and
I
know.
The
committee
name
has
changed,
but
we
don't
have
the
Medicaid
oversight.
I
I
think
they'll
be
vital
in
terms
of
us
formulating
legislation
for
the
next
session.
The
one
after
that
so
I
would
appreciate
that
and
very
interesting
process.
You
have
here
and
Mr
chair
I,
don't
have
any
other
questions
regarding
63-68
and
there
are
no
other
questions.
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
prove.
A
E
B
D
A
Motion
carries
now:
let's
look
at
item
number
19
on
the
great
list,
the
50
000
and
under.
A
And
Senator
Meredith.
J
I
Continuation,
the
discussion
we
just
had
this
is
a
separate
study.
It
appears
it
kind
of
deals
with
the
same
issue
and
that's
provider,
availability,
Network
adequacy,
so
I
think
my
question
was:
isn't
this
kind
of
redundant.
V
This
one
actually
has
two
secret
shoppers
surveys
incorporated
into
the
secret
shoppers
will
expand
on
the
other
research
project,
for
example,
the
other
one
is
going
to
delve
into
the
actual
claims
data
in
Medicaid
to
see
how
many
providers
are
seeing
how
many
members,
this
survey
is
actually
very
timely,
because
this
survey
will
actually
call
providers
and
say
I'm,
a
Medicaid
member
I
need
an
ex
I
need
an
appointment
and
they
will
document
the
time
it
takes
for
a
Medicaid
member
to
to
access
an
appointment.
V
I
say
this
is
very
timely,
because
the
center
for
Medicare
and
Medicaid
services
has
recently
proposed
new
rules
related
to
access
for
managed
care
organizations.
Currently,
air
contracts
have
a
time
and
distance
access.
Standard.
Cms
is
now
looking
at
implementing
actual
time
in
in
days
weeks
months,
rather
than
than
60
miles
or
6
60
minutes
they're
actually
looking
at
time
frames.
So
this
will
help
us
come
into
compliance
with
those
CMS
requirements
in
the
event
that
those
proposed
rules
are
enacted.
You.
I
A
C
V
A
A
I
I
Here
and
not
sure
how
to
formulate
my
question
because
again
I'm
looking
at
the
agreement
description,
this
covers
a
lot
of
different
areas,
it's
fairly
funded.
Is
this
a
specific
Federal
grant?
That's
that's
doing
this.
Yes,.
W
W
Plan
will
be
Innovations
will,
while
they're
being
designed
will
also
come
up
with
a
sustainability
piece
so
that
this
work
can
continue
if
I
may,
the
The
Hub
that
is
referred
to
in
this
contract
is
a
collaboration
between
Humana
Inc,
The,
Humana
foundation
and
the
University
of
Louisville.
W
Those
are
the
the
leaders
of
this
Hub
and
they're
doing
several
things:
they're
they're
working
on
sustainability
and
of
upskilling
and
reskilling
staff
people
to
get
into
the
health
care
industry
because
of
their
backgrounds,
trying
to
help
people
have
a
family,
sustaining
jobs,
and
they
also
want
to
do
some
health
Innovation
by
trying
and
piloting
some
innovative
ideas.
W
So
that's
the
part
that
the
department
for
public
health
funding
is
going
toward
is
working
with
that
kind
of
like
a
learning
laboratory
to
take
innovative
ideas
and
try
to
operationalize
those
in
a
community
to
see
if
we
can
maybe
do
find
some
things
that
work,
some
promising
practices
and
and
package
those.
So
other
communities
can
use
them
too.
In
these
three
areas
that
are
listed,
food
insecurity,
maternal
health
and
non-emergency
transportation.
I
I
W
That's
not
something
that's
crossed
our
table
that
I'm
aware
of
I,
think
they're,
hoping
that
this
is
going
to
be
something
as
they
show
good
outcomes.
They'll
be
entrepreneurs
there'll,
be
businesses
they're,
going
to
be
people
in
the
community
that
are
going
to
want
to
continue
to
support
this
work.
I
W
Is
a
Jefferson
County
project,
but
they
have
worked
with
arh
on
similar
project.
There
are
they're
working
with
arh
and
UK,
and
the
the
plan
is
that
once
you
get
this
to
be
shown
to
be
operational
and
workable
in
a
community
that
you
can
use
it
in
other
communities
that
don't
have
resources
to
do
this
kind
of
work.
W
So
the
key
is
you
know
that
sustainable
piece
that
I
talked
about
but
design
it
so
that
it's
Community
Centric,
so
the
communities,
whether
they're,
large
or
small,
can
take
the
work
that
they're
doing
in
this
laboratory
learning
experience
to
use
in
their
communities.
So
that's
their
hope.
In
fact,
their
hope
is.
Is
a
national
spread,
not
just
a
Kentucky
spread.
E
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
one
phrase:
could
you
help
me
out
with
food
Justice
what
that
means?
I.
W
We
I
refer
to
as
food
insecurities
it's
it's
people
that
are.
We
know
that
one
in
in
seven
kentuckians
is
food,
insecure
one
in
eight
children.
So
it's
trying
to
look
at
what
communities
don't
have.
What's
what
are
the
barriers
in
different
communities
for
food
insecurity,
and
so
it's
working
to
find
out
what
those
barriers
are
and
can
we
find
ways
to
work
around
that?
Does
that
help.
E
E
E
W
W
Yes,
sir
I
found
it
economic
and
social
conditions
of
limited
or
uncertain
access
to
adequate
Foods,
so
either
there's
not
a
a
financial
ability
to
purchase
or
there's
not
a
a
an
easy
access
to
get
to
the
right,
the
adequate
foods,
not
just
any
food
but
adequate
foods
for
for
a
healthy
diet.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
I
A
A
E
E
I
am
voting
I.
These
are
these
are
federal
funds,
I
think
I
think
we
really
need
to
work
on
that
definition
of
food
insecurity,
because
any
particular
group
will
be
included
in
that
particular
definition
on
any
particular
day
and
as
a
position
I've
I've
seen
that
that'll
be
the
only
comment
I'll
make.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair.
B
D
A
Motion
carries.
Thank
you,
you
all
so
much
for
your
testimony.
Let's
see
the
next
items
on
the
pool
list
are
with
the
Department
of
for
Workforce
investment,
and
our
number
is
102
through
123
on
the
routine
MOA
pink
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
come
forward
and
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
H
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
much
Senator
Meredith.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
appreciate
you
all
being
here
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
this
program.
We've
gotten
multiple
contracts
here
and
most
of
them
have
the
same
agreement
description
and
to
provide
funds
for
services
that
comply
with
Workforce
Innovation
Opportunity
Act,
which
we're
certainly
all
and
supportive
of,
but
there's
difference
in
funding
levels.
As
far
as
what
the
federal
government's
going
to
provide,
also
each
agreement
amount
is,
is
different,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
pray
how
these
specific
contracts
work.
You
know.
Let
me
just
give
you
a
very
loose
example
here.
I
Jasmine
counties
is
398
000
and
then
with
a
whole
list
of
them.
That
I
guess
go
back
to
Kentucky
Community
Central
College
system,
which
are
all
each
different
one,
is
from
1.1
million.
The
next
is
for
243
000.
So
just
trying
to
understand
the
program,
I,
don't
I,
don't
can
see
how
the
flow
the
dollars
work.
U
Yes,
sir,
so
just
from
a
macro
level
perspective,
this
is
a
federal
program
that
is
administered
by
the
states,
the
territories
and
the
district
and
the
funding
dollars.
The
metric
is
based
on
working
age
folks,
who
have
not
completed
the
high
school
process
that
is
based
on
a
national
survey,
which
covers
the
years
2017
to
2021.
in
Kentucky,
depending
upon
where
you're,
looking
on
that
Spectrum
that
lands
us
somewhere
between
three
hundred
thousand
and
three
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand,
and
you
can
also
break
that
down
by
County.
U
U
That
is
determined
by
the
federal
state
split
and
there's
some
Nuance
to
it.
He
essentially
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky,
gets
somewhere
between
9.5
and
10
million
dollars
from
them
Federal
side.
The
federal
required
match
is
25
percent
of
that,
but
there
is
some
Nuance
to
that.
The
state
must
match
at
least
90
percent
of
the
previous
years
match,
so
the
motto
is
somewhere
in
the
range
of
62
percent
to
38
percent.
There
is
some
flex,
but
it
should
be
pretty
consistently
along
that
model.
U
There
could
be
some
specifics
about
that
budget
piece
and
that's
something
that
I
could
probably
follow
up
on
and
then
get
back
to
you,
but
that
percentage
is
pretty
consistent.
As
far
as
that
range
is
concerned,
there's
some
variance
but
not
significant
variance.
I
That's
a
variance
it
caused
me.
Some
concern
and
concern
is
not
the
right
word
just
he
poses
questions
for
me,
but
you
know
I'm.
Looking
at
the
agreement,
102
with
Kentucky
Community
Technical
College
system
for
1.1
million
Federal
matches
almost
31
percent
103
is
Kentucky
Community
and
Technical
College
system
243
thousand
dollars.
Federal
percentage
is
38
percent.
So
are
these
each
different.
U
And
just
the
scope
is
not
different,
the
local
providers
are
different
and
so
some
have
won
County.
Some
have
two.
Some
have
eight
nine
ten.
If
you
take
our
largest
ones,
which
is
Jefferson
and.
J
U
So
there's
a
difference
as
far
as
volume
is
concerned,
so
that
is
probably
where
the
variance
lies
with
respect
to
the
volume
of
the
target.
Because
if
you
look
at
the
working
age
folks
in
the
the
state
of
Kentucky,
based
on
the
4.4
million
total,
that's
somewhere
around
2.7
million,
and
then
you
take
10
11
of
that.
That
is
the
focus
as
far
as
a
adult
education
is
concerned.
But
that
is
different
county
by
county
as
to
that
number
and
that
volume.
I
U
I
U
A
piece
and
those
only
exist
in
Jefferson,
Fayette
and
Warren
counties.
So
one
of
these
I
believe
that
was
pulled
fits
into
that
category.
Well,
one
maybe
two
and
then
those
real
remaining
are
the
core
Services.
I
They're
all
attempting
to
accomplish
the
same
goal
but,
as
you
noted,
there's
some
nuances,
such
as
language,
differences
that
may
have
to
factor
in
this.
That
would
would
be
different.
So.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
want
to
get
a
I
guess,
I
understand
how
all
this
works,
the
Kentucky,
Adult,
Education
Act
of
2000
and
the
skills
you
pretty
much
the
same
thing
if
I
understand
this
correctly
is
for
GED
training,
that
type
of
training
and
then
the
other
one,
the
Workforce
investment
opportunity
act
that
came
around
in
around
2014.
That
is
a
little
broader
we're
training
for
those
for
employment
and
various
other
things.
C
There
is
a
lot
of
money
here,
but
what
I
wonder,
but
there's
two
different
paths
that
can
can
work
together.
How
successful
are
these
and
how
they?
You
know
the?
What's
the
what's
the
placement:
are
they
people
earning
their
geds?
Are
they
going
on
to
work?
Is
there
some
way
that
I'm
just
curious?
How
successful
or
are
they
successful.
U
Very
good
question
so
for
some
context,
the
focus
in
Kentucky
from
what
I
have
been
able
to
discern
since
I've,
been
sitting
in
this
C4
for
approximately
two
years
is
the
focus
has
been
almost
exclusively
on
the
GED.
If
you
read
the
state
law
and
the
federal
law,
the
performance
requirements
are
based
on
workplace
participation,
so
that
is
the
key.
The
GED
is
a
piece
a
component
to
reach
that
end,
so
the
GED
is
climbing
up
the
mountain,
but
it
is
not
the
apex
of
the
mountain.
U
So,
for
example,
if
we
look
at
the
performance
requirements
on
the
federal
side,
the
measurable
skill
game,
a
measurable
skill
game
can
include
getting
a
GED
it
can
include,
but
taking
a
workplace
test.
U
It
can
include
transitioning
to
college
it,
but
can
include
training
and
all
of
those
things
associated
with
going
to
work.
So
the
federal
requirement
for
the
state
of
Kentucky
for
this
year
was
45.2
percent.
As
far
as
the
measurable
skill
gain,
which
means
that
each
person
that
we
serve
at
least
45
percent
of
them
need
to
get
a
measurable
skill
gain
of
some
sort.
Kentucky
has
only
met
that
reacquirement.
U
Maybe
once
since
2014.
we
met
it
this
year
for
the
first
time
in
about
five
or
six
years,
so
the
culture
and
the
focus
is
changing,
but
it
is
specifically
on
the
workforce
and
workplace
the
GED
for
those
that
have
not
completed
that.
That
is
in
route
to
doing
that.
So
the
focus
and
the
culture
has
changed
specifically
to
the
GED.
U
This
year
we
concluded
well
this
past
fiscal
year.
We
concluded
with
2961.
kentuckians
that
completed
that
so
process.
Now
we're
still
not
fully
back
into
the
jails
and
in
that
environment,
so
that
is
the
fourth
highest
in
the
history.
I
went
back,
2014,
15,
16
Etc,
so
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction,
but
the
GED
is
a
component,
but
it
is
not
the
totality
of
the
process
and
the
circumstances.
U
So
my
intent
is
to
continue
to
move
in
that
direction
and
to
say,
because
the
mission
is
to
assist
kentuckians
to
improve
their
lives
through
instruction
training
and
employment,
and
sometimes
we
forget
those
last
two
but
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
As
far
as
that
end
is
concerned,.
T
C
U
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
you
mentioned
Corrections
is
your,
and
is
your
area
or
your
office
working
with
corrections
and
providing
that
GED
opportunities
for
those
folks,
because
my
just
personal
opinion
is
that's
a
Workforce
area
that
I
think
that
we
we
should
if
they
are
obviously
in
a
situation
of
Rehabilitation,
but
obviously
we
don't
need
to
shut
the
door
in
that
particular
area.
So
my
question
is
I.
Think
I
heard
you
mention
it
a
little
bit.
D
U
U
As
far
as
the
jails
are
concerned,
we
serve
as
the
primary
instructors
in
the
jail
now
as
far
as
the
prisons
we
supplement,
but
we
have
some
challenges
as
far
as
finding
folks
to
go
in
to
the
jails
but
to
instruct
so
we
are
currently
in
the
process
of
trying
to
mitigate
that,
but
that
is
something
that
I
have
really
attempted
to
focus
on
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
some
levels
of
growth
in
very
short
time.
As
far
as
that
is
concerned,.
D
One
more
comment:
Mr
chair:
if
that's
okay
jails
is
what
I
was
kind
of
important
to
I've
talked
to
several
jailers
and
what
that
looks
like,
and
they
are
really
eager
to
possibly
work
with
your
group
or
some
group.
Obviously,
they've
got
people
that's
going
to
be
out
in
six
months.
Let's
go
ahead.
I'll
you
know
in
every
situation
is
different
and
they
know
what
best
situation.
U
Yes,
sir,
so
we
have
a
program
called
putting
kentuckians
first,
which
is
specifically
for
the
jails
that
started
in
Russell
and
we
have
seen
great
levels
of
success.
So
we
are
now
in
the
scalability
stage.
So
we're
scaling
this
up
just
going
across
the
different,
so
counties
across
the
state
of
Kentucky
good.
E
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chair,
I
I,
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
the
for
the
presentation
and
and
the
direction
that
we're
at
least
trying
to
go
in
I
I
agree
with
Senator
Meredith.
These
are.
This
is
a
large
number
of
contracts
and
as
I
as
I
am
coming
to
understand,
what
we're
looking
is
we're
looking
at
is
measurable
skill
gain.
E
E
Throw
them
out
very
quickly
number
one:
is
there
any
how
I
say
shall
I
say
requirement
that
if
you're
going
to
go
through
these
programs,
there
has
to
be
an
end
point.
We
want
you
to
attempt
or
we're
going
to
or
we're
going
to
try
to.
We
want
you
to
make
an
attempt
to
get
into
the
workforce,
because
otherwise,
otherwise
we're
we're
filling
up
the
truck
and
we're
not
putting
any
drivers
in
there
we're
giving
people.
U
Yes,
sir,
so
there
is
not
a
requirement
on
The
Kentuckian.
The
requirement
is
on
the
state
of
Kentucky.
As
far
as
the
rate
that
we
need
to
reach
so
I
have
been
so
I
choose.
My
words
advisedly,
very
focused
as
far
as
the
local
provider
network
is
concerned
to
let
them
know
that
we
absolutely
need
a
return
on
the
investment,
so
not
only
for
the
dollars,
but
for
the
investment
in
The
Kentuckian
for
them
to
be
to
to
move
forward.
U
So,
for
example,
as
far
as
the
workplace
is
concerned
and
fiscal
year,
but
22
we
had
277
folks
that
came
through
who
went
into
that
space.
This
year
we
had
516.,
so
we
are
moving
in
the
right
direction,
so
we're
making
some
vertical
movement,
but
the
requirement
is
on
the
contractor
because
they
bid
and
they
stipulated
that
they
could
do
these
things.
Now,
if
you
look
back
from
a
longitudinal
standpoint,
there
was
no
forcing
function
to
say:
hey,
look.
You
need
to
Bear
your
share
of
the
performance
requirements.
U
We
have
done
that
and
I
have
intentionally
put
language
in
the
contract
to
say
that
if
you're,
not
home
pace
that
we
will
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
we
need
to
recompete
that
County
counties
Etc
in
order
to
inspire
better
performance
air
across
the
board.
But
if
you
look
at
it,
Kentucky
has
had
the
same
contractors
for
decades
and
potentially
on
the
front
end.
There
needs
to
be
greater
levels
of
competition
to
see
if
there
are
potentially
some
other
vendors
out
there.
Who
can
do
a
better
job.
U
That's
just
the
competitive
process,
but
we
are
in
the
second
year
of
the
three-year
cycle.
So
this
is
the
beginning
of
the
second
year.
So
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
the
conclusion
of
the
first
quarter
to
see
where
the
measurement
stick
lies
and
if
individuals,
as
far
as
the
contractors
are
not
on
Pace,
then
there
is
an
opportunity
to
recompete
and
see
if
we
can
find
a
vendor
potentially
to
come
in
and
do
better
by
kentuckians.
E
I'm
I'm
I'm,
I'm,
I'm,
all
behind
education
and
providing
opportunities.
Yes,
sir,
but
again
you'll
hear
me
say:
over
and
over
I'll
use
the
taxpayers
to
say
the
taxpayers
are
looking
for
an
end
product,
an
end
product
with
all
due
respect.
The
end
product
is
not
someone
who
goes
through
a
program
and
learns
things
the
end
product.
E
If
someone
who
goes
through
a
program
and
utilizes
those
things
for
the
benefit
of
the
other
people
around
them,
and
and
and
that's
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
from
these
programs,
not
just
to
help
people
feel
good,
not
just
to
show
them
not
just
to
give
them
a
bunch
of
fish
but
to
teach
them
how
to
fish
and
make
them
get
out
there
in
the
damn
boat.
Yes,
sir,
and
actually
fish.
U
And
that's
what
the
federal
law
states?
Okay!
That
is
exactly
what
the
definition
states
in
the
federal
law,
which
is
the
way
that
we're
going
now
when
I
came
on.
The
focus
was
exclusively
GED
with
little
discussion
regarding
what
you
just
stipulated.
But
that
is
what
the
law
states,
and
that
is
the
direction
that
the
office
is
going
in.
X
Thank
you,
oh
I'm.
Sorry
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
and
add
that
the
program
has
been
actively
working
with
the
Kentucky
Career
Centers.
X
You
know
hand
in
hand
with
that
to
ensure
that
the
GED
is
not
just
the
end
result
as
Dr
Gregory
is
mentioned.
Thank.
A
A
Y
I
Good
morning
here
we
are
again
I've,
always
pre-discussion
we've
had
about
this
subject
and
the
reason
I
pull
this
contract
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
hope
you
all
I
understand
appreciate
that
I
have
concerned
that
these
contracts,
we've
seen
here
before,
have
been
part
of
a
federally
funded
Grant,
which
is
supposed
to
expire
in
2024.
I
But
this
one
is
specifically
funded
to
the
general
fund.
100
percent
and
the
first
question
I
have
is
the
structure
of
it
calls
the
agreement.
Description
says:
provide
funds
for
the
director
of
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
belonging
help,
Educators
in
the
Commonwealth,
understand
and
Implement
these
terms
through
strategic
planning,
presentations,
support
visits
and
more
if
it's
a
Statewide
initiative.
Why
is
this?
What
the
con
Jefferson
County
Board
of
Education.
Y
First,
there
is
a
typo
that
position
the
deib
position,
Senator
Meredith
and
by
the
way
good
morning
to
you
and
all
the
members
of
the
government
contract,
Review
Committee,
always
a
pleasure
to
talk
about
the
happenings
at
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education
to
improve
and
save
the
lives
of
young
kentuckians,
especially
the
dib
position
is
actually
a
federally
funded
position
through
our
estradala,
so
it
should
not
be
funded
through
the
state
general
fund,
although
it
still
is
a
memorandum
of
agreement
with
the
Jefferson
County
public
schools,
and
so
we
are
addressing
that
need.
T
Is
the
vendor
be
in
Jefferson
County,
the
employee
that's
listed?
He
is
an
employee
of
Jefferson
County,
so
KDE
oftentimes
borrows
staff
from
school
districts
for
them
to
come
to
KDE,
bring
their
expertise
at
a
district
level
and
applied
across
the
state.
So
this
particular
gentleman
he
is
an
employee
of
Jefferson
County.
He
remains
an
employee
of
Jefferson
County.
They
continue
to
pay
his
salary
and
then
we
pay
Jefferson
County
for
for
the
salary.
While
he
is
working
for
the
Department
of
Ed.
Y
It's
the
about
the
average
salary.
There
are
folks
in
Jefferson
County
and
school
districts
across
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
who
earn
more
money
than
this
person,
but
it
also
includes,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
pages
back,
it
also
includes
the
French
benefits,
as
well
as
the
cost
of
doing
business
with
Jefferson
County
Public
Schools,
which
is
not
unusual.
So
you
have
the
retirement
benefits
and
health
benefits
Etc.
Those
benefits
are
customary
and
his
salary
is
not
out
of
line
with
equal
Folks
at
Jefferson.
Y
County
public
schools
and
I
also
want
to
point
out
the
job
description
really
doesn't.
I,
probably
should
have
done
a
better
job.
The
first
time
this
was
when
we
talked
about
this
contract.
I
believe
last
year.
Is
that
the
work
that
this
individual
does
is
far-reaching
than
the
job
description
again
Senator
Meredith
in
a
very
wise
fashion.
You
asked
the
question:
well,
why
is
this
contract
exclusively
with
Jefferson
County
public
schools?
Y
The
work
that
this
individual
does
expands?
Beyond
Jefferson,
County,
Public
Schools?
We
were
here
a
while
ago
and
I
don't
remember
what
month
it
was.
We
talked
about
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education,
providing
funds
to
pay
for
AP
exams
and
again
thank
a
big
thanks
to
the
general
assembly
for
helping
us
do
that
because
it's
not
the
agency's
money
taxpayers
money
is
Senator.
Douglas
are
often
remarks,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
providing
funds
for
AP
exams,
International
Baccalaureate
exams,
those
other
high-stakes
exams
for
entry.
Y
So
we're
not
a
single
parent
pays
more
than
ten
dollars,
regardless
of
their
need
for
those
college
entrance
exams.
So
this
individual
heads
this
up
and
one
of
the
more
touching
things
that
you
know
we've
dealt
with
tornadoes
in
Western,
Kentucky
and
flooding
in
Eastern
Kentucky.
This
individual
has
provided
support
in
those
areas
with
teachers
and
with
other
staff
folk
who
have
been
in
great
need
and
also
I
want
to
mention
Suicide
Prevention.
This
we've
had
conversations
here
about
preventing
and
mitigating
suicide.
Y
Our
goal
is
to
reduce
that
number
down
to
zero,
and
this
individual
has
provided
support
for
every
school
district
here
in
the
Commonwealth
to
reduce
suicide
rates
here
in
in
a
great
state.
I
Y
We
are
in
the
process
of
changing
that
and
then,
as
you
appropriately
mention
again,
that
These
funds
will
expire
the
end
of
the
23-24
school
year.
So
I've
already
put
in
a
request
to
change
that.
I
And
that's
that's.
My
concern
is
when
this
expires.
Then
we've
got
nine
regional
directors,
plus
this
person
we've
got
Dei,
that's
embedded
throughout
our
education
system
and
I.
Don't
know
why
we
continue
going
on
this
path
when
I
read
more
and
more
articles
and
studies
saying
that
Dei
is
not
the
right
approach.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
not
accomplished
when
I
was
attended
and
accomplished,
it's
actually
becoming
a
tool.
That's
very
divisive
within
our
school
systems.
I
can
give
you
a
list
of
Articles
one,
most,
notably
from
the
Harvard
or
Business
Review.
I
Just
recently
that
says
it's
not
working,
as
a
matter
of
fact
is
causing.
Division
within
schools
is
causing
a
division
within
business
and
we
need
to
go
a
different
path.
So
why
are
we
continue
to
pursue
this
if
it's
a
failed
philosophy?
Well,.
Y
I,
wouldn't
I
would
wholeheartedly
disagree
that
it
is
a
failed
philosophy.
That
is
the
opinion
of
one
author
and
I'm
sure
you
could
find
a
thousand
articles
with
the
opposite.
If
you
allow
me
to
indulge
for
less
than.
I
Y
Seconds
here
last
week,
the
Gallup
Walton
Family
Foundation
team
released
this
first
of
many
insights
about
the
state
of
Youth
in
the
United
States
close
to
half
of
students,
48
percent
gave
their
school
an
a
grade
for
respecting
who
they
are,
regardless
of
their
race,
ethnicity,
gender
and
identity,
with
an
average
grade
of
B4
schools
on
this
important
metric,
which
involves
respecting
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
and
belonging
wallet,
Hub,
which
is
becoming
a
really
respected
organization
that
is
owned
by
TransUnion
credit
report
has
rated
Kentucky
the
seventh
most
Equitable
state
in
in
the
union
when
it
comes
to
equity
in
education,
and
it's
not
necessarily
about
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
and
belonging.
Y
So,
with
those
four
letters
being
diverse,
being
both
diverse
and
divisive,
as
you
mentioned,
you
would
easily
find
studies
where
people
who
repute
those
findings,
but
you
can
find
plenty
of
studies
that
will
show
that
it's
working
and
it's
working
here
in
Kentucky
in
regards
to
how
we're
going
to
continue
this.
As
we
said
from
day
one,
we
asked
you
all
to
support
this
work
that
we
would
every
day
we
would
build
in
continuity.
Y
We
would
work
with
our
eight
education
co-ops
to
take
positions
that
are
already
there
and
expand
their
roles
to
open
up
opportunities
for
students
and
given
the
latest
political
National
Action
regarding
students
in
K-12
and
especially
higher
ed.
There
is
no
time
in
the
history
of
this
country,
certainly
within
the
last
58
years,
for
us
to
ensure
that
we're,
including
every
student,
regardless
of
their
background,
their
ethnicity,
places
of
worship
in
including
them
in
the
educational
processes.
I.
I
Think
we
were
degraded
that,
but
again
it's
it's.
How
we
accomplish
that
goal.
You
you
mentioned
that
we
funded
and
testing
for
AP
I.
Think
that
helps
move
that
along
that's,
not
really
a
Dei
initiative.
It's
it's
a
it's
an
attempt
to
improve
the
quality
education
for
every
child,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
just
because
you,
you
may
be
a
minority,
but
again
I,
know
you're
going
to
give
me
a
list
of
things
to
say
that
yeah.
This
is
great,
but
I
can
give
you
the
same.
Listen
says!
No,
it's
not!
I
It's
divisive
and
I
would
like
to
see
us
focus
more
on
Merit
fairness,
inequality,
I
think
we're
setting
up
a
system
where
children
who
are
disadvantaged
will
view
themselves
as
victim
and
can
never
lift
themselves
up,
because
you've
robbed
a
move
any
hope.
They
said,
they're
a
victim
of
the
system.
You
can't
beat
the
system,
and
you
know
one
of
the
studies.
I
read
last
night
said
one
of
the
problems
with
it.
This
is
that
whatever
training
you
provide
to
employees
is
short-lived.
I
You
know
maybe
a
day
two
days,
but
it's
not
lasting
and
we
need
to
have
a
more
positive
approach,
rather
than
continuing
to
look
in
the
retrospective
about
how
the
world
has
been
treated.
I'm
recording
with
you
I
think
for
Jefferson
County,
specifically
that
the
Dei
is
a
is
a
red
herring
to
divert
attention
away
from
the
failures
of
the
system
for
for
years.
Now.
That
is
a
a
racist
situation
that
has
caused
that,
but
I
don't
think
that
Dei
is
the
solution
to
the
problems
for
our
education
system
in
the
Commonwealth
and.
Y
Senator
that
I,
wouldn't
I,
could
not
agree
with
you
more,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we
do
on.
We
understand
this
distinction.
Kentucky
has
not
called
out
groups.
Kentucky
we've
been
very
purposeful
in
the
with
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education.
As
I
said
earlier,
we
we
brought
in
all
groups.
We
have
not
allowed
groups
to
see
themselves
as
victims,
we've
not
singled
out
any
separate
group
and
remember
these
initiatives
that
I
talked
about
didn't,
have
anything
to
do
with
race.
Didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
social.
Y
Economic
status
did
not
have
anything
to
deal
with
sexual
orientation
or
anything
of
that.
U
J
Y
Goal
has
been
and
will
continue
to
be,
to
support
all
students,
regardless
again,
regardless
of
their
background
and
again
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
nationally.
Kentucky
is
being
respected
for
reaching
the
needs
of
all
students
and
not
victim,
as
you
said,
not
victimizing,
individual
students,
you.
I
Y
J
I
I
think
so,
but
you
know,
a
lot
of
that
is
is
evidenced
by
how
we
function
as
a
state.
You
know
we
had
and
Commissioner
of
Education
who
was
an
African-American
I
know.
You
know
him
well
he's
a
quality
individual
experience
in
the
urban
area
period.
I
was
homeless
himself.
He
and
his
wife
thought
he
didn't
actually
job.
As
commissioner
and
the
first
thing
that
happens
when
we
change
Administration
is
he
gets
fired
here
in
place
by
excuse
me,
but
a
white
guy.
I
Y
I
Y
I
Think
we
all
agree
with
that
is
again:
I
guess
how
we
package
this
thing
and
promote
it.
But
it's
interesting.
We
had
a
former
former
Governor
that
accused
teachers
being
Thugs
and
that
was
taken
out
of
context
and
ended
up
losing
an
election.
But
commissioner
glasses
said:
if
you
don't
embrace
the
pronoun
situation,
teachers
need
to
find
another
job.
Is
that
really
a
remark
that
you
would
expect
from
a
leader.
Y
Whether
it's
you
or
anyone
that
comment
from
Dr
glass
was
taken
out
of
context
totally
out
of
context
and
I,
don't
need
to
speak
for
him.
He
can
quite
speak
well
for
himself
he's
known
for
speaking
well
for
Kentucky
and
himself
across
this
country
and
actually
nationally.
What
he
simply
said
is
that
their
state
guidance
and
their
Federal
guidance
that
if
people
don't
believe
in
respecting
the
rights
of
all
folks
or
don't
believe
in
following
their
guidance,
this
is
probably
not
the
best
pursuit
of
their
interest.
Y
So
the
interpretation
that
and
again
again
I
don't
have
to
speak
for
Dr
glass,
but
the
interpretation
that
Dr
glass
said,
if
you
don't
believe
in
lgbtq
plus
rights,
you
shouldn't
have
this
job
that
is
overly
and
wrongfully
exaggerated,
because
the
commissioner
that
I
work
for
believes
in
the
rights
of
all
students
and
teachers
and.
I
I
would
I
would
assure
you
that
138
members
of
the
legislature
feel
exactly
the
same
way,
but
what
we
struggle
with
is
limited,
Financial
Resources.
We
have
for
years,
at
least
when
I've
been
in
the
Senate.
We
have
made
a
firm
commitment
to
public
education.
We've
increased,
seek
funding
every
manual
that
that
I
have
been
here.
This
next
budget
is
going
to
be
extremely
challenging
because
the
loss
of
federal
funding
but
I
think
we're
still
committed
to
funding
for
education,
but
I'd
rather
see
141
thousand
dollars
spent
on
enhancing
our
reading
and
comprehension.
Y
And
again,
this
is
not
just
about
Dei.
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
work
that
this
individual
does,
he
also
provides
support
for
standards
as
it
relates
to
literacy.
He's
some
I
have
the
pleasure
of
not
only
serving
as
a
Deputy
Commissioner
I
also
oversee,
if
you
will
supervise
collaborate
in
the
office
of
teaching
and
learning
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
your
tremendous
support
of
literacy,
especially
early
literacy.
J
Y
So
that
title
is
more
than
just
the
name
and
I
agree
with
you.
Maybe
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
a
different
name,
but
please
rest
assured
members
that
your
state
here
is
not
singling
folks
out
and
making
them
into
victims
again.
A
National
Organization
has
named
Kentucky
the
seventh
most
Equitable
state
in
the
Union,
and
is
it
for
the
exact
reason,
Senator
mayor
that
you
just
mentioned
you
just
enumerated.
Y
I
Maybe
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
programs
that
we've
adopted
over
the
past
decade.
Maybe
it's
the
fact
that
people
could
talk
here,
just
good
people,
you
know,
I
was
a
hospital
CEO
in
a
small
rural
hospital
for
over
30
years
took
the
job
in
1983..
We
had
contracts
to
provide
physician
coverage
for
our
ER
and
I.
Remember
one
of
the
first
decisions
I
had
to
make
was
the
recruitment
firm
came
to
us
came
to
me
and
said:
we've
got
a
good
physician,
we'd
like
to
place
here,
but
he's
African-American.
I
Is
that
a
problem
because
I
think
rural
communities
always
are
casting
a
negative
light
that
were
backward
that
were
Prejudiced
and
I'm
sure
that
we're
not
I
said
no,
not
an
issue
whatsoever
as
long
as
he's
a
good
person
he's
a
good
clinician
and
he
treats
people
with
respect.
I
tell
you
this
guy
was
one
of
the
most
popular
Physicians
I
ever
had
in
my
ER
in
many
Physicians
of
color
that
I
recruited
during
my
30
years.
There
were
well
received
by
our
community
and
I.
I
Think
that's
just
not
an
exception
for
for
Grayson,
County
I.
Think
it's
in
our
Commonwealth
we're
a
good
state
that
we
don't
get
enough
credits
so
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
do
with
anything
with
any
programs.
I,
don't
know
if
a
single
educator
that
really
wants
to
see
any
child
fail,
regardless
of
the
color
of
their
skin
or
the
socioeconomic
background,
so
I
think
we're
investing
too
much
effort
into
these
programs
and
not
providing
those
funds
for
for
basic
education.
You
mentioned
rule.
I
Y
In
this
position
addresses
it
and
I
do
believe
that
Kentucky
is
a
great
state.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
I
chose
to
come
here
and
I
chose
to
come
here
to
work
with
Dr
glass,
the
Kentucky
Board
of
Education
and
the
40
000
plus
teachers
and
other
staff
members
here
and
I
want
to
re-emphasize
this
and
I'll
leave
this
alone.
Y
We
I
understand
your
point,
but
we
get
in
trouble
folks
from
time
to
time
when
we
deduce
deib
down
to
race
and
again,
we've
stayed
away
from
race,
so
we
just
can't
narrow
it
down
to
black
and
white.
It's
much
bigger
than
that
and
again
I.
Think
it's
one
of
the
reasons
we've
been
successful
here
in
Kentucky.
I
And
I
hope
we
can
change
that
success,
but
I'll
end
it
with
this
Mr
chair
and
sorry
to
block
with
this
point,
but
I
was
reading
about
a
noted
psychologist
who
resigned
from
his
National
Association,
because
in
embracing
Dei
in
his
words,
what
it
does
is
divide,
it
doesn't
unite
and
I
think
that's.
The
problem
that
we
have
with
this
program
is
because
the
perception
around
it,
whether
it's
real
or
not,
it's
divisive,
it
doesn't
unite
us
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
go
down
this
path,
but
that's
all
I
have
Mr
chair,
okay,.
A
Y
You
for
your
time
and
your
support
members
all.
A
I
guess,
let's
see
yeah
the
committee.
Will
that
was
the
final
item
on
the
agenda.
The
committee
will
resume
its
normal
meeting
day
next
month
and
the
meeting
is
scheduled
for
Tuesday
August,
the
8th
2023
at
9
00
a.m.
And
if
there's
no
other
things.