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A
A
Here
all
right,
we
have
a
quorum
and
we
are
authorized
to
do
business
today.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
item
number
two
approval
of
the
minutes.
Those
should
be
in
your
packets
in
front
of
you
and
I
will
need
a
motion
in
a
second
in
order
to
adopt
those.
I
have
a
motion.
I
have
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
The
minutes
are
approved
all
right,
so
very
exciting.
A
A
Okay,
so
heather,
I
have
you
and
mary
and
kelly
and
laura,
and
I
didn't
know
if
to
we're
going
to
do
it
individually,
then.
C
C
For
too
long
kentucky
has
ranked
top
in
the
nation
for
instances
of
child
abuse
and
neglect.
We
currently
have
the
fifth
highest
rate
of
incidences
of
abuse.
According
to
a
report
by
the
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services,
child
deaths
and
near
deaths
from
reported
abuse
went
up
22
percent
in
2021.
C
C
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
that
no
child
should
have
to
grow
up
in
this
type
of
world.
The
general
assembly
responded
to
the
needs
of
kentucky's
children
with
a
passage
of
senate
bill
8.
prior
to
senate
bill
8.
The
child
victims
trust
fund
was
focused
on
limited
scope
of
prevention,
programming
with
senate
bill
8.
The
scope
and
composition
of
the
board
change,
along
with
the
name.
The
child
abuse
and
neglect
prevention
board
was
formed
to
focus
on
all
forms
of
maltreatment,
and
here
are
some
of
the
members
included
on
the
board.
C
So
the
board
has
several
responsibilities
set
forth
in
statute,
and
so
I've
tried
to
summarize
them
here,
but
a
large
part
is
coordinating
the
exchange
of
information
and
establishment
of
child
maltreatment
programs
prevention
programs
trying
to
publicize
and
make
people
aware
of
the
child.
Victims,
trust
fund,
reviewing
expenditures,
and
so
this
board
is
administratively
assigned
to
the
office
of
attorney
general,
and
so
I
provide
administrative
support
out
of
my
office
for
this,
and
so
we
do
site
audit
visits
across
the
state.
C
C
The
board
has
been
very
successful
in
the
past,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
highlight
a
couple
of
the
things
that
we
are
very
proud
of
the
work
they've
done,
and
so
that
are
they
good
for
your
kids
campaign.
It
was
sponsored
by
prevent
child
abuse,
but
it
was
funded
through
money
from
the
child
victim
stress
fund.
The
campaign
has
received
more
than
5
million
impressions
on
social
media.
C
Some
others
are
family
nurturing
center.
They
provide
stewards
of
children,
training
to
2000
adult
community
members
in
the
past
year,
which
91
of
them
showed
that
they
had
become
more
informed
about
ways
to
reduce
child
matrix
maltreatment
from
those
trainings
echo
so
exploited
children's
health
organization.
They
provide
training
and
evidence-based
training
in
louisville
area,
and
so
from
the
past
year
they
have
trained
over
3
600
children
and
over
1200
adults
in
jefferson,
county.
C
South
central
kentucky,
kids
on
the
block,
also
provide
training,
so
they
have
a
puppeteer
program,
and
so
they
go
into
the
schools,
elementary
schools,
either
virtual
or
in
person,
and
they
raise
awareness
about
the
different
types
of
abuse.
They
talk
about
the
differences
between
discipline
and
abuse,
and
they
talk
about
knowing
who
a
trusted
adult
is
to
raise
awareness
so
that,
if
something
happens
that
they
know
who
to
go
to,
and
so
this
past
year
they
trained
over
6
000
children
just
using
the
child
victims
trust
fund
money.
C
C
And
finally,
our
fifth
prevention
programming
partner
is
child
watch,
counseling
and
advocacy
center.
It's
the
totally
awesome
super
important.
You
abuse
education
and
prevention
program,
and
so
I
took
a
picture
from
their
facebook
web
page
where
they
did
this
in
the
benton
elementary
school
out
in
western
kentucky.
C
I
know
we
get
a
lot
of
questions,
as
you
know,
did
we
see
a
dip
in
the
exams
performed,
and
so
that's
why
I've
got
2019,
2020,
2021
and
now
the
very
beginning
of
2022
as
a
guide,
and
so
you
will
see
in
april
there
was
a
dip
in
2020,
but
that
it's
it's
rebounded
and
in
some
instances
we're
seeing
like
in
march
of
2022,
we
saw
more
in
march
than
we
had
previously
in
the
past
three
years.
A
Can
I
ask
a
quick
question
on
that?
Yes,
ma'am,
do
you
anticipate
the
reimbursements
from
the
trust
fund
going
down
because
we
funded
more
money
in
the
budget
this
year?
Okay,.
C
Well,
so
also
with
the
inclusion
of
changing
the
the
definition
about
how
child
victims
trust
fund
working
with
medicare
and
medicaid
to
make
sure
that
that
bundle
amount
right
is
going
to
be
different.
And
so
I
think
that
that
amount
will
be
decreasing.
But
until
that
gets
all
worked
out,
we're
just
going
to
be
here
to
support
them
in
the.
C
And
so
in
2019
632
exams
were
reimbursed
to
the
cacs
across
the
state.
There
are
15
child
advocacy
centers
in
2020
499
and
in
2021,
and
these
are
fiscal
years.
561.
C
Speaking
up
for
our
most
vulnerable
kentuckians
is
a
responsibility
that
our
office
takes
very
seriously.
Within
months
of
taking
office
attorney
general
daniel
cameron
joined
the
kentucky
youth
advocates
and
kosair
charities
in
convening
a
roundtable
of
stakeholders
to
discuss
how
we
could
work
better
to
come
together
for
kentucky's
kids.
C
Here
are
just
some
of
the
many
events
we
had
a
resource
fair
in
frankfurt,
health
and
wellness,
fair
that
we
participated
in
manchester,
we're
going
to
be
at
the
nest
family
fun
day
in
lexington
this
saturday,
as
well
as
family
fest
in
moorhead
next
week.
So
these
are
all
typically
staffed
by
the
office
of
attorney
general
employees.
On
behalf
of
the
child
victims,
trust
fund.
C
C
C
They
were
overwhelmingly
very
ecstatic
about
the
opportunity
for
the
board
to
cover
all
forms
of
child
maltreatment,
and
so,
while
some
of
them
were
sad
to
no
longer
be
members,
the
majority
of
the
focus
was
that
this
is
going
to
be
given
to
help
all
kids
who
are
suffering
from
child
abuse
and
neglect.
In
kentucky,
we
had
already
established
a
grant
application
deadline
for
april
20th.
C
We
did
know
that
senate
bill
8
was
coming
through,
we
weren't
sure
exactly
when
it
might
be
passed
or
when
if
it
would
be
signed
off
on,
and
so
we
had
already
sent
out
the
notices
of
the
application,
that's
a
requirement
of
our
office
to
do,
and
so
we
have
received
those
applications.
So,
at
the
very
first
board
meeting
we
will
have
a
bunch
of
grant
applications
to
review
and
vote
on
because
the
previous
board
had
been
dissolved.
C
The
state
board
shall
meet
not
less
than
quarterly
at
the
call
of
the
chair,
and
so
the
very
first
meeting
I'm
excited
to
announce
is
august.
23Rd
and
it'll
be
held
at
our
east
campus
at
the
oag
and
we're
going
to
have
it
so
that
people
can
attend
virtually
as
well.
So
we're
going
to
try
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
people
to
attend
and
anybody
that
wants
to
be
on
the
list
of
getting
the
invitations
it's
open
to
the
public.
C
Some
of
the
many
items
on
our
agenda
reviewing
the
grant
applications
we've
already
ready
received.
The
26th
annual
kids
are
worth
it
conference,
scholarship,
application
that
prevent
child
abuse
of
kentucky
has
put
forth
and
so
that'll
be
something
on
the
agenda,
whether
or
not
they're
able
to
fund
for
law
enforcement
officers
to
attend
that
training.
C
One
of
the
other
things
that
senate
bill,
8
included,
was
to
include
the
board
and
the
or
the
child
victims
trust
fund
as
part
of
the
kentucky
employee
charitable
campaign,
and
so
I
met
with
united
way
earlier
today,
and
so
I
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
as
well
as
next
week
talking
about
how
we
are
going
to
get
started.
But
we
are
one
of
nine
charities
that
are
kind
of
partner
agencies
with
the
kecc,
if
you're
familiar
with
that
term,
and
so
we're
very
excited
about
that
opportunity
to
raise
additional
funds
and
awareness
about
this
board.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
heather
that
was
fabulous
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
like
about
your
presentation
is
that
you
have
a
lot
of
energy
and
you're
very
enthusiastic
about
it,
and
I
think
that's
exactly
what
this
task
needs
is
some
energy
and
all
with
the
combined
purpose
of
really
helping
kids
and
protecting
kids
in
the
commonwealth.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that,
and
I
don't
know.
Does
anybody
on
the
committee
have
any
questions
for
all
right?
Thank.
B
D
D
All
right
getting
into
senate
bill
8.,
just
like
heather,
I
think
you'll
find
that
we
are
enthusiastic
about
implementing
this
bill
as
well.
This
is
comprehensive
child
welfare
legislation
sponsored
by
co-chair
senator
julie,
rocky
adams.
It
brought
together
many
partners
working
across
the
child
welfare
continuum.
D
senate
bill
8
promoted
child
welfare
prevention,
we're
really
going
to
get
into
child
welfare
prevention
in
the
following
presentation,
but
we're
going
to
touch
on
the
surface
of
it,
because
senate
bill
8
allowed
us
to
provide
more
family
preservation,
services,
more
families,
up
services
to
families
upstream
and
again,
senate
bill,
a
increased
services
for
children,
youth
and
families.
So
we're
going
to
dive
into
specific
portions
of
the
bill,
how
they
change,
what's
already
been
done
and
our
implementation
of
them
since
the
bill
went
into
effect.
E
Right,
so
a
really
important
piece
of
the
legislation
was
to
amend
the
definition
of
fictive
can
to
really
expand
to
allow
more
individuals
with
significant
relationships
specifically
to
children
that
are
infants
to
12
months
of
age,
and
what
this
does
is
really
include
emotional
relationships
with
a
bio
parent
of
that
infant
child,
a
sibling
or
a
half
sibling
of
the
infant.
So
it
allows
us
to
really
broaden
the
scope
of
who
we
consider
fictive
can,
especially
for
these
very
young
children
as
they
enter
care.
E
So
currently,
there's
over
1
300
of
children
in
custody
of
the
cabinet,
who
are
placed
with
a
relative
or
fictive
kin
provider,
and
we
look
at
these
relative
infective
kin
placements.
First,
as
we
know,
it
really
reduces
trauma
for
children
if
they
are
having
to
leave
their
home
to
be
placed
with
someone
that
they
have
a
significant
or
an
emotional
relationship
or
connection
with,
and
this
has
really
impacted
what
our
out-of-home
care
numbers
have
looked
like
over
the
past
four
years.
E
So
you
see
the
downward
trend
on
this
graph
here
and
if
we
were
comparing
apples
to
apples,
it
would
be
an
even
lesser
number
of
children
in
care.
So
historically
we
when
we
worked
with
relative
caregivers
or
fictive
caregivers,
we
would
historically
not
bring
those
children
into
state's
custody
and
they
would
be
placed
in
the
temporary
or
permanent
custody
of
that
relative
caregiver.
E
Senate
bill
8
also
included
measures
to
assist
the
department
in
fulfilling
putative
father
requests.
The
putative
father
registry
is
administered
by
the
adoption
services
branch
in
the
division
of
protection
and
permanency,
and
this
registry
was
established
in
2018
through
house
bill.
One
and
the
purpose
of
this
registry
is
to
find
a
father
who
may
not
be
named
or
disclosed
by
the
mother
of
a
child,
and
so
if
a
petition
for
adoption
is
filed,
the
putative
father
registry
may
be
searched
so
that
a
father
could
receive
notice
that
his
child
wasn't
involved
in
an
adoption
petition.
E
So,
who
is
a
putative
father?
It
is
an
individual
that
is
not
married
to
the
child's
mother
on
or
before
the
date
of
the
child's
birth
and
an
individual
that
has
not
established
paternity
of
the
child
in
a
court
or
agency
proceeding
in
this
state
before
the
fine
of
an
adoption
petition
or
has
not
completed
an
acknowledgment
of
paternity
before
that
child
a
petition
is
filed.
So
to
date
we
have
had
43,
putative
fathers
registered
on
the
putative
father
registry.
E
And
the
putative
father
search
a
registry
must
be
searched
prior
to
the
finalization
of
an
adoption.
There
are
exceptions
and
those
include
an
adoption
involving
a
foreign-born
child,
an
adoption
that
is
initiated
outside
of
the
state
of
kentucky
and
then
a
public
agency
adoption,
and
so
here's
some
numbers
just
in
regards
to
search
requests.
E
These
searches
are
completed
and
requested
by
attorneys
private
agencies,
out
of
state
child
welfare
agencies
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
numbers
we're
at
765
for
2019
1368,
for
2020
1376,
for
2021
and
for
2022
510.,
and
you
may
note
that
that
looks
like
that.
We're
not
on
pace
for
previous
years,
and
we
have
really
seen
due
to
the
relative
service
array
and
fos
and
relatives
being
able
to
become
foster
parents.
E
They
are
no
longer
having
to
file
an
independent
adoption,
petition
and
they're
able
to
adopt
through
foster
care,
and
so
they
are
not
having
to
go
the
private
route
in
order
to
adopt
that
child.
So
we
have
seen
that
decline,
and
we
think
that
that
is
shown
here
in
this
in
this
decrease
of
numbers.
As
of
this
june,.
B
So
shifting
gears
a
little
bit
another
impact
of
senate
bill
8,
our
department
has
really
been
focused
on
differentiating
between
poverty
and
neglect.
Kentucky
is
ranked
fifth
in
states
with
the
highest
poverty
rate
in
america
and
ranks
17.3
percent
of
our
population
living
below
the
poverty
line.
So
the
2021
poverty
threshold
for
a
family
of
four
is
an
annual
income
of
27
575.
B
According
to
the
census
bureau
and
the
average
child
care
cost
for
kentucky
is
a
little
over
six
thousand
dollars
annually.
So
we've
really
been
focused
since
the
implementation
of
senate
bill.
Eight
of
educating
our
staff
on
what
those
systemic
factors
are
around
poverty
and
working
to
educate
our
community
partners
as
well
around
those
systemic
factors
around
poverty
and
differentiating
between
poverty
versus
neglect.
B
So
we've
been
working
to
make
changes
to
really
update
our
policies,
to
educate
our
staff
and
educate
our
community
partners,
so
so
that
findings
aren't
made
in
investigations
when
solely
due
to
lack
of
resources
for
families.
B
So
in
this
slide,
this
is
types
of
maltreatment
and
child
protective
services,
reports
with
the
substantiated
or
services
needing
thought
services
needed
finding
for
children
that
are
removed
and
placed
in
foster
care.
So
you
can
see
that
overall-
and
this
is
for
state
fiscal
year,
2016
to
state
fiscal
year
2022
and
that
we
receive
the
majority
of
our
reports
are
for
basic
neglect
and
risk
of
harm
neglect,
and
this
data
is
important.
B
So
we
have
been
working,
of
course,
to
expand
our
prevention
services
and,
specifically
with
senate
bill
8,
it
contained
an
amendment
that
allows
for
family
preservation
services
to
be
provided
for
children
who
are
at
moderate
risk
of
being
removed
from
their
home
and
rather
than
only
being
at
imminent
risk.
So
this
allows
us
to
intervene
sooner
and
further
upstream,
rather
than
waiting
until
those
families
are
at
the
point
of
actually
having
to
be
removed
from
their
home,
and
this
is
consistent
with
the
federal
language
with
the
family.
B
First
prevention
services
act
in
which
kentucky
was
an
early
implementer
in
2019.
B
So
this
is
some
of
our
programs
that
we're
using
under
the
family
first
prevention
services.
Of
course,
we
see
really
positive
outcomes
from
our
evidence-based
practices.
A
family
preservation
program
serves
is
a
statewide
program.
That's
an
in-home
services
program
that
serves
0-17
and
is
in
every
county
in
the
state,
and
then
our
k-step
program
is
and
start
our
serves.
B
B
D
And
I'm
really
excited
to
tell
you
about
the
last
two
portions
of
senate
bill
8,
because
they
were
strongly
advocated
for
by
the
voices
of
the
commonwealth.
I
know
many
of
you
have
met
with
or
heard
from
the
voices
of
the
commonwealth,
but
for
those
who
don't
know
they
are
a
kentucky
organization
for
foster
youth
and
foster
youth
alumni
aged
16
to
23..
D
They
travel
across
the
state
advocating
and
sharing
their
own
personal
experiences
in
foster
care.
They
help
recruit,
foster
parents
specifically
for
older
youth
and
they
educate
other
foster
children
about
the
resources
that
are
available
to
them
and
educate
them
about
advocating
for
themselves.
The
voices
of
the
commonwealth
have
really
been
important.
They've
been
an
integral
part
of
legislation.
D
That's
passed
the
past
few
years
in
2017,
they
worked
with
the
cabinet
and
the
legislature
to
develop
legislation
that
allowed
a
process
established
a
process
for
foster
youth
to
obtain
a
driver's
license,
because
there
was
not
a
process
in
place
at
that
time.
Since
then,
they
have
worked
with
the
cabinet
and
legislators
to
create
a
foster
child
bill
of
rights
and
to
expand
the
college
tuition
waiver
that
is
accessible
to
foster
youth
and
foster
alumni,
so
they've
been
very
vocal
and
very
involved
in
increasing
supports
and
opportunities
for
other
foster
youth.
D
So
they
supported
this
entire
bill,
but
and
they
testified
in
support
of
the
bill,
but
they
again,
they
really
advocated
for
the
final
two
parts
of
the
bill.
This
allowed
foster
youth,
foster
youth
alumni,
the
ability
to
re-enter
the
custody
of
the
state
after
they
had
exited
the
custody
of
the
state.
In
order
to
receive
more
supports
that
we
provide
and
the
bill
expanded
the
foster
child
bill
of
rights
which
granted
them
more
rights
related
to
obtaining
vital
documentation,
so
medical
records,
their
documentation
related
to
their
involvement
and
their
family's
involvement
with
child
welfare.
D
So
previously
there
was
a
statute
that
allowed
youth
who
had
exited
from
the
custody
of
the
cabinet
to
re-enter
the
custody
once
so,
when
a
child
turns
18,
they
can
choose
to
exit
the
custody
of
the
cabinet
or
they
can
recommit
to
the
cabinet
up
to
age
21..
Sometimes
we
find
that
individuals
want
to
leave
the
custody
of
the
state
at
18
and
then
you
know
have
some
struggles
being
independent
at
you
know,
of
course,
only
18
19
years
old,
so
they
were
allowed
to
re-enter
the
custody
of
the
state.
D
D
They
had
to
have
it
finalized
prior
to
age,
19.
so
senate
bill
8
included
that
they
could
re-enter
the
custody
of
the
state
up
to
two
times
and
up
to
age
20,
and
they
only
have
to
submit
that
request
to
re-enter
the
custody
of
the
state.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
finalized
prior
to
age
20..
So
then,
we're
allowed
to
we're
able
to
provide
them
more
supports
as
they
transition
to
adulthood.
D
So
dcbs
immediately
update
our
policies
when
this
went
into
effect
on
april
1st
and
we
updated
the
kentucky
rise
resources
for
independent
success
and
empowerment
website
to
reflect
these
changes
so
that
youth
and
caregivers
would
know,
I've
included
a
link
to
the
kentucky
rise
website.
If
you
haven't
checked
it
out
before
it's
really
great,
it
contains
lots
of
trainings
for
foster
parents
and
other
caregivers
lots
of
information
about
resources
available
to
foster
youth
and
caregivers
potential
adoptive
parents.
D
So
I
urge
you
to
check
that
out
or
share
with
anyone.
You
know
that's
interested
when
we're
talking
about
youth
exiting
to
independence.
We
wanted
to
to
kind
of
give
you
a
scale
of
what
we're
talking
about.
We
strive
for
permanency
options
like
adoption
and
reunification,
but
we
do
have
youth
who
exit
without
one
of
those
permanency
options.
So
the
this
includes
the
number
of
youth
who
have
exited
at
age
18.
A
Questions:
okay,
thank
you
very
much,
great
presentation
and
again
it's
thank
you
to
the
cabinet
and
you
all
in
participating
this
and
working
to
get
everything
buttoned
up
and
and
ready
to
roll.
That's.
That
means
a
lot
to
me.
I
do
have
one
question
on
slide:
two.
A
A
Does
that
only
include
foster
care
or
does
it
also
include
fictive
placement?
And
if-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
could
have-
those
are
those
two
numbers
different
and
if
we
could
have
those
two
numbers.
E
Yes,
so
this
is
all
children
in
our
custody,
so
it
does
include
children
in
foster
care.
Also,
children
placed
with
relative
infective
can
families
that
have
chosen
to
become
foster
parents,
so
we
do
have
families
that
would
choose
to
take.
You
know
an
informal
custody
arrangement,
take
custody
and
and
not
pursue
foster
care
approval,
but
this
8
000
number
does
include
those
that
are
actively
fostering
a
child
and
currently
out
of
in
in
may
1494.
E
A
A
B
A
B
A
Perfect,
thank
you
and
that's
the
only
question
I
had.
First
up
we
have
senator
berg.
F
E
So
the
so
the
father
during
the
pregnancy
or
until
21
days
after
the
birth
is
able
to
place
their
name
on
the
registry
saying
I
believe
that
I
am
the
father
for
this
child.
So
if
any
adoption
petition
is
filed,
those
that
are
filing
those
independent
positions
attorneys
most
of
our
requests
come
from
attorneys.
They
do
a
request
to
search
the
registry
to
make
sure
that
that
father's
name
is
not
on
the
registry,
so
we
definitely
have
many
more
searches
than
we
do
father's
registered
on
the
putative
father
registry.
F
G
Thank
you,
madam
chairwoman,
so,
and
my
question
is
exactly
in
the
same
subject:
have
you
seen
and
do
you
see
the
potential
where
this
punitive
father
registering
the
process
of
trying
to
identify
the
father,
how
that
could
potentially
conflict
with
our
safe
haven
laws,
our
safe
haven
laws,
give
the
mother
the
opportunity,
the
family,
the
opportunities
to
surrender
their
child
up
to
30
days?
So
do
you
see
and
have
you
seen
a
potential
conflict?
I.
E
Think
where
that
comes
in
on
slide
seven,
there
are
some
exceptions
and
a
public
agency.
Adoption
is
one
of
those.
So
if
a
child
comes
in
with
safe
haven,
they
would
then
be
in
a
public
agency
adoption.
So
a
putative
father
search
is
not
required
in
a
public
agency
adoption.
G
E
Not
aware
of
any
cases,
okay,
where
that
has
been
an
issue
now.
G
I'd
like
to
discuss
with
you
a
situation
that
I'm
very
well
aware
of
where
this
has
occurred,
so
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
madam
chairwoman.
Thank.
H
Thank
thinking,
madam
chair,
does
dcbs
keep
data
that
tracks
children
who
have
been
removed,
such
as
where
they
have
been
removed
to
what
homes
they're
currently
in.
H
Yes,
so
so
a
mother
has
a
child,
that's
or
two
children
that
have
been
removed.
She
then
has
another
child.
H
B
It
would
depend
on
its
case
by
case,
so
it
would
depend
on
if
those,
if
the
safety
threat
that
existed
when
those
other
two
children
were
removed
were
still
present
when
that
child
was
born,
so
that
child
could
remain
in
the
home
and
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
under,
if
I'm
following
you
so
potentially
that
child
could
remain
in
the
home.
But
we
may
not.
I
don't,
I
think,
I'm
following
you,
but
I'm
not
sure
yeah.
H
H
D
So
the
infant
may
be
allowed
to
stay
again,
as
mary
said,
if
they're,
if
the
same
safety
risk
was
not
there
as
it
had
been
with
the
former
two,
but
it
or
previous
two.
But
if
the
the
previous
two
would
not
automatically
be
allowed
to
return,
they
would
have
to
they'd
have
a
plan,
a
reunification
plan,
and
it
contains
goals
that
would
have
to
be
met
in
order
for
those
children
to
return
to
that
home.
H
E
B
B
If
they're
in
out-of-home
care,
so
if
it,
I
think
it
if
they're
in
out-of-home
care.
Yes,
we
know
where
they're
at
so
some.
If
they're
with
a
relative
like
in
permanent
custody,
we
may
not
have
an
open
active
case,
so
you
know
there
could
be
they
could
be
with
a
relative
and
be
in
permanent
custody,
and
we
may
not
necessarily
have
data
we
may
not
know
where
they're
at,
but,
if
they're
in
out
of
home
care
in
foster
care,
then
yes,
we
know
where
that,
where
those
children
are.
A
B
Well,
we,
when,
when
house
bill
1
launched-
and
we
did
some
education
around
that
and
with
we
created
some
brochures
and
to
try
to
educate
the
public
on
that
and
with
providers
and
that
you
know,
there's
a
it's
on
the
web,
our
website
to
advertise
it
and
to
make
that
aware.
So,
just
like,
we
would
any
other
service.
A
A
And
then
is
there
any
concern
with
I'm
interested
in
in
what
representative
tate
said
about
the
safe
haven
issue?
Is
there
any
concern
about
the
the
father's
rights
if
a
private
agency
doesn't
reference
a
putative
father
list
when
they're
entertaining
the
idea
of
adopting
a
child
out,
or
maybe
I'm
just
confused
about
what
happens
there.
E
E
They
staff
on
the
adoptions
branch
make
sure
that
any
of
the
fathers
that
are
registered
do
not
match
this
child
and
then
we'll
notify
back
that
agency
of
the
results.
Where
then
they
can
proceed.
A
A
I
Good
afternoon
I'm
christabelle
I'm
an
executive
advisor
with
the
dcbs
commissioner's
office
and
want
to
thank
this
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
present
on
this
information
today.
My
two
presentations
have
been
combined
into
one,
so
the
presentation
on
prevention
does
include
child
welfare
data
as
well.
I
We've
titled
the
the
presentation
prioritizing
prevention
in
child
welfare,
because
we
know
that
prioritizing
prevention
ultimately
leads
to
better
outcomes
across
our
child
welfare
continuum,
including
the
reduction
of
fatalities,
the
reduction
of
the
number
of
children
who
enter
care.
When
we
have
fewer
children
in
care,
it
then
allows
us
to
provide
a
higher
quality
of
care
to
those
children,
including
keeping
those
children
in
the
least
restrictive
settings,
including
relatives
and
victivkin
when
possible,
and
allows
us
to
ensure
that
they
achieve
permanency
more
timely.
I
I
know
that
this
committee
is
familiar
with
the
family.
First
prevention
services
act
in
kentucky
was
one
of
the
first
states
in
the
nation
to
implement
the
requirements
of
this
act.
Our
increased
focus
on
expanding
our
prevention
efforts
really
began
as
we
prepared
for
this
implementation
in
october
of
2019..
I
We
really
do
think
of
that.
As
the
start
of
our
prevention
journey-
and
we
didn't
just
do
that-
to
meet
a
federal
requirement
or
achieve
compliance
with
a
one-time
initiation,
but
we
intended
this
to
be
the
foundation
upon
which
we
continue
to
build
more
robust
and
comprehensive
prevention
services
for
the
families
and
children
in
our
state.
I
This
slide
shows
the
number
of
families
served
under
our
family.
First
prevention
services
for
state
fiscal
year,
2022
our
three
primary
programs
under
family
first
prevention
services
are
our
family
preservation,
program
or
fpp,
which
you
see
on
this
slide.
1769
families
were
served
this
past
year,
our
sobriety,
treatment
and
recovery
teams
or
start
which
served
163
families
this
past
state
fiscal
year,
and
then
our
kentucky
strengthening
ties
and
empowering
parents
or
k-step
that
served
291
families
this
past
fiscal
year,
two
things
that
I
think
are
really
important
to
note
about
this
slide.
I
If
you
see
this
information
presented
again
in
another
month
or
two,
it
is
quite
likely
that
these
numbers
are
going
to
be
higher.
This
is
preliminary
data
for
state
fiscal
year
2022,
and
this
presentation
did
have
to
be
prepared
within
just
a
few
days
after
the
close
of
our
state
fiscal
year,
and
our
prevention
providers
actually
had
an
additional
week
to
enter
their
data
for
this
state
fiscal
year.
So
it
is
likely
that
these
numbers
are
going
to
increase
once
we
have
all
of
the
final
data
entered.
I
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
really
important
to
note
about
this
slide
is
the
way
that
we
are
counting
families
here,
our
families
for
whom
these
prevention
services
were
complete.
So
in
order
that
we
are
counting
only
unique
families
and
we're
not
counting
families
in
multiple
state
fiscal
years,
we're
only
counting
the
families
who
completed
services
during
state
fiscal
year.
22.
I
I
We
have
added
state
fiscal
year
2022,
but
this
slide
starts
with
the
stacked
bar
graph
that
shows
state
fiscal
year
2019,
which
was
actually
the
last
complete
state
fiscal
year
prior
to
implementation
of
family
first
prevention
services,
and
in
that
state
fiscal
year
you
can
see
that
we
spent
approximately
15.4
million
dollars
on
prevention
services
that
would
fall
under
family
first.
So
that's
family
preservation,
k-step
and
start,
and
in
that
same
state
fiscal
year
we
spent
about
296.5
million
dollars
on
out-of-home
care
services.
I
With
each
subsequent
state
fiscal
year
we
have
increased
our
investment
in
prevention
services
that
fall
under
family
first
and
in
state
fiscal
year
2022
we
increased
those
expenditures
to
26.8
million
dollars
and
our
out-of-home
care
costs
are
reduced
to
217
million
dollars.
You
do
see
that
the
adoption
cost,
which
is
in
the
green
at
the
top
of
that
stacked
bar
graph,
those
also
have
increased
over
the
state.
These
four
state
fiscal
years,
meaning
that
more
children
are
likely
receiving
achieving
permanency
through
adoption.
I
So
in
2022,
our
greatest
prevention
expenditures
were
in
three
areas
or
utilizing
three
sets
of
funds:
our
family,
first
programs,
fpp
k-step,
start
and
our
multi-systemic
therapy
pilots,
which
is
also
an
ebp
on
our
family,
for
our
evidence-based
practice
on
our
family
first
prevention
plan.
There
we
increased
our
spending
to
26.8
million
dollars.
We
also
spent
2.9
million
dollars
for
community-based
child
abuse
prevention,
programs
and
community-based
child
abuse.
Prevention
or
cbcap,
is
federal
funding
that
is
available
to
states.
I
It
is
intended
to
be
for
families
to
be
used
for
primary
and
secondary
prevention
services
or
for
families
who
are
not
involved
with
the
child
welfare
agency.
The
whole
purpose
of
that
funding
is
to
provide
services
to
prevent
the
need
for
child
protective
services
or
for
child
welfare
agency
involvement.
So
some
of
those
services
in
kentucky
you
may
be
familiar
with,
like
our
community
collaborations,
for
children,
which
is
in
every
region
across
our
state
parent
engagement
meetings.
I
Some
of
that
money
also
goes
to
our
family
resource
youth
service
centers
and
to
fund
some
activities
of
prevent
child
abuse
kentucky.
We
also
utilize
12.7
million
dollars
of
state
of
the
state
general
funds
appropriated
for
prevention,
and
this
next
slide
goes
into
further
detail
about
how
those
state
general
funds
for
prevention
were
utilized.
I
We
also
spent
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
invested
in
the
launch
of
an
intercept
pilot,
and
I
want
to
pause
for
just
a
second
here
and
explain
a
little
bit
about
what
intercept
is
intercept
is
a
is
an
evidence-based
practice
that
is
rated
on
the
national
4e
prevention
services
clearinghouse
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
this
committee
would
probably
be
interested
in.
That
explains
why
we
decided
to
pursue
that
evidence-based
practice
was
actually
related
to
a
question
in
a
previous
presentation
that
was
really
thought
provoking
about.
How
do
we
prevent?
I
How
do
we
do
more
to
prevent
children
who
are
still
going
into
out-of-home
care,
and
sometimes
that
is
about
the
quantity
of
services
available,
because
we
certainly
don't
want
families
on
waiting
lists
where
perhaps
children
are
at
risk
of
coming
into
care,
because
services
aren't
available.
But
it's
about
something
else.
There
are
negl
a
lot
of
our
substantiations
are
for
neglect,
but
neglect,
often
and
most
of
our
fatalities
and
near
fatalities
are
actually
because
of
neglect.
So
neglect
can
still
be
very
serious.
I
We
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
in
a
supervisory
session
with
another
state
that
is
using
intercept
and
the
complexity
and
seriousness
of
the
cases
in
the
situations
for
whom
this
service
was
being
provided.
That
allowed
children
to
stay
in
that
home
were
absolutely
situations
that
in
kentucky
those
children
would
come
into
out
of
home
care
today.
So
I
think
intercept
is
a
really
important
investment
that
allows
that
will
allow
us
to
keep
children
in
their
homes
because
of
the
intensity
and
the
quality
of
services
for
families
that
today
those
children
would
come
into
out-of-home
care.
I
The
same
is
true
for
our
multi-systemic
therapy
pilot,
which
is
the
next
on
the
list.
We
spent
a
hundred
and
fifty
six
thousand
two
hundred
and
forty
dollars,
and
I
believe
this
committee
has
heard
from
testimony
from
home
in
the
innocence
previously
about
that
pilot
for
for
youth,
with
high
risk
behaviors
and
that's
a
really
important,
evidence-based
practice
and
in
addition
to
home
and
innocence,
we
are
also
piloting
that
evidence-based
practice
with
two
other
providers
in
the
state,
including
kbc
and
chnk
in
northern
kentucky.
I
We
also
invested
two
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
two
hundred
and
eighteen
dollars
in
community
response
pilot,
which
I'll
talk
more
about
in
just
a
few
minutes,
a
little
over
sixty
two
thousand
dollars
in
the
volunteers
of
america,
pilot
for
families
who
are
struggling
with
substance
use
disorder.
I
We
also
invested
eight
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
six
hundred
ninety
dollars
in
primary
prevention
and
fatherhood
engagement
initiatives
in
partnership
with
prevent
child
abuse
kentucky
three
hundred
eighty
four
thousand
seven
hundred
ninety
six
dollars
was
invested
in
the
expansion
of
community
collaborations
for
children
and
parent
engagement
meetings,
which
I'm
also
going
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
more
115
000
invested
in
support
of
our
thriving
families,
creation
of
a
birth
parent
advisory
council
and
regional
visioning
sessions,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
more
detail
and
then
7.4
million
dollars
invested
in
support
of
quality,
qualified
residential
treatment
programs.
I
There
was
actually
another
point
I
was
going
to
make
about
that
slide.
So
I'm
happy
for
the
question.
The
the
bullet
points
that
you
see
in
red
are
actually
programs
that
all
fall
under
the
family.
First
prevention
services
act,
so
the
family
first
prevention
services
act
not
only
allowed
for
the
the
use
of
evidence-based
practices
in
order
to
leverage
federal
funding
for
the
first
time
ever,
but
it
also
created
qualified
residential
treatment
programs
for
states
as
well
as
kinship
navigator
supports.
I
So
the
qualified
residential
treatment
programs
set
forth
a
new
set
of
requirements
for
congregate
care
providers
in
the
state
that
required
them
to
utilize
a
curriculum
or
modalities
with
trauma-informed
care
it
requires
after-care
supports.
It
requires
family
engagement,
so
the
family
has
to
be
involved
in
the
treatment
planning
for
that
child.
That
is
a
key
component,
and
so
in
many
ways
this
was
intended
to
be
family.
First
was
intended
to
be
a
comprehensive
approach
to
prevention
and
child
welfare
and
to
change
the
approach
to
child
welfare
and
qualified
residential
treatment
programs.
I
Our
congregate
care
providers,
but
it's
also
tertiary
prevention
in
that
those
additional
requirements
in
working
with
families.
Continuing
to
provide
services
to
families
once
children,
exit
care
for
at
least
six
months
is
tertiary
prevention
and
the
prevention
of
future
maltreatment,
and
also
prevention
of
having
to
need
that
residential
level
of
care
in
the
future.
It
provides
greater
support
for
those
children
to
remain
stable
in
their
homes
once
they
return.
A
Okay,
so
qualified
residential
treatment
so
give
me
an
example
of
who
who
is
the
recipient
of
the
residential
dollars.
I
I
I
We
provided
those
standards
to
providers
they
applied
to
be
approved
well
to
demonstrate
that
they
met
those
federal
requirements
for
what
a
qualified
residential
treatment
provider
is.
Many
of
those
providers
did
meet
that
prior
to
implementation,
but
even
more
have
met
that
standard.
Since
our
initial
implementation,
there
are
only
a
handful
of
residential
providers
left
in
kentucky
for
our
children
in
out-of-home
care
that
do
not
meet
that
qrtp
requirement.
I
The
the
rates
for
providers
that
were
that
became
effective
this
month
increased
the
the
rate
for
our
qualified
residential
treatment
programs,
recognizing
that
there
are
additional
services
that
are
required
for
qrtps
that
are
different
than
the
services
that
were
previously
required
for
residential
providers
in
kentucky.
A
Okay-
and
I
guess
the
reason
for
my
honing
in
on
that
last
line
item-
is
that's
the
largest
line
item,
7.4
million.
So
can
you
just
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
how
dcbs
became
interested
in
spending
the
largest
amount
on
that
sheet
with
qualified
residential
treatment?
What
kind
of
roi
are
you
expecting
to
get.
I
That
provider
continues
to
be
involved
with
that
child
and
family
for
six
months
post-discharge,
so
they
are
ensuring
that
that
child
is
receiving
treatment.
Services
in
the
community
community
once
they're
at
home,
with
their
parent
they're,
having
contact
with
the
community-based
therapeutic
provider
with
the
parent
and
with
the
child
on
at
least
a
monthly
basis
for
six
months,
post-discharge
to
be
sure
that
that
return
home
is,
is
stable,
that
that
child
does
not
re-enter
care
or
have
to
go
back
to
residential
treatment.
I
The
other
component
of
that
that
I
think
is
is
important
in
terms
of
the
stability
of
that
return
to
care
is
the
involvement,
the
requirement
for
the
involvement
of
the
parents
in
in
those
treatment
services,
while
the
child
is
there,
and
so
that
is
you
know,
a
really
critical
part
of
the
qrtp
requirement
is
that
the
child
is
not
receiving
treatment
in
isolation,
but
the
parent
or
caregiver
is
involved
in
in
that
treatment
planning
and
in
that
child's
treatment,
while
they're
at
the
qrtp.
A
I
The
next
slide
you
saw
in
the
previous
presentation
this
shows
our
out
of
home
care
trend
line.
This
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we
look
at
you
know,
potentially
the
the
effectiveness
of
our
prevention
services
kelly
did
a
really
good
job
of
explaining
in
the
previous
presentation
that
we're
not
really
comparing
apples
to
apples
so
to
speak
between
2022
and
2016,
and
the
reason
for
that
was
that
implementation
of
the
relative
service
array
that
she
provided.
So
if
we
were
just
comparing
non-relative
placements,
we
would
actually
have
fewer
children
in
care.
I
Today,
in
june
of
2022,
there
were
1398
children
of
this
8684
who
were
placed
with
relatives
or
fictive
kin,
so
only
7
286
children
are
actually
placed
in
foster
care
with
non-relative
caregivers
and
at
that
that
same
number,
non-relative
caregivers
for
august
2016,
which
is
the
lowest
number
on
this
trend
line,
was
7558.
I
I
So
you
can
see
that
in
2019
state
fiscal
year
2019,
which
was
the
year
prior
to
family
first
implementation,
there
were
6945
children
who
entered
foster
care
in
kentucky,
and
then
those
numbers
go
down
following
family.
First
implementation,
5590
in
state
fiscal
year,
2020
a
little
bit
lower
in
2021,
and
then
in
this
most
recent
state
fiscal
year,
there's
5453..
I
I
I
wanted
to
talk
for
just
a
few
minutes
about
types
of
prevention
efforts,
because
I
think
this
is
really
important,
as
we
think
about
activities
and
funding
for
prevention,
because
they're
they're
very
different,
depending
on
whether
we're
talking
about
primary
prevention,
secondary
prevention
or
tertiary
prevention.
So
primary
prevention
are
those
activities
that
are
directed
at
the
general
population
and
are
effective
in
stopping
maltreatment
before
it
occurs.
I
They
should
be
available
to
all
members
of
a
community
if
that
is
a
healthy,
thriving
community
and
all
members
of
the
community
have
access
to
and
could
benefit
from
those
services.
So
these
are
things
that
we
probably
take
for
granted.
If
we
have
access
to,
if
we
don't
have
access
to
those
things,
then
it
could
be
really
detrimental
to
our
family.
So
there
are
things
like
access
to
high
quality
child
care,
positive
parenting
campaigns,
parenting
books,
many
of
the
activities
of
prevent
child
abuse,
kentucky
fall
under
the
primary
prevention
category.
I
Secondary
prevention
refers
to
activities
that
have
a
high
risk
focus,
so
these
are
services
and
supports
that
are
directed
at
families
that
may
have
one
or
more
risk
factors
associated
with
child
mild
treatment.
So
these
are
things
that
you're,
probably
familiar
with
like
the
hands
program,
our
family
resource
youth
service,
centers
that
are
attached
to
our
schools.
I
So
some
of
the
ways
that
we
can
do
that
is
that
we
can
use
our
child
welfare
data
to
try
to
identify
reasons
families
become
involved
with
child
welfare.
We
need
to
ensure
that
families
have
access
to
services
when
they
need
them.
Too
often
they
come
to
our
attention
after
things
have
already
escalated
to
a
point
that
something
has
already
occurred.
So
we
need
opportunities
to
provide
those
services
before
stress
and
crises
escalate
to
the
to
the
point
of
maltreatment,
it's
important
that
we
collaborate
with
our
community-based
providers
for
prevention
efforts
to
be
effective.
I
I
I
This
chart
shows
our
cps
intakes
for
state
fiscal
year
2022.
So
this
is
the
breakdown
of
all
the
reports
that
come
in
to
the
child
welfare
agency,
so
that
first
column
that
you
see
there
is
all
intake.
So
it's
all
reports,
regardless
of
what
the
content
of
those
reports
were
and
just
with
with
adult
protection
issues
removed
from
that.
The
next
column
is
all
all
child
protection
response
intakes,
and
so
those
don't
necessarily
have
an
allegation
of
child
abuse
neglect.
We
do
get
court
ordered,
custody,
evaluations,
court
or
home
evaluations.
I
We
get
requests
to
assist
law
enforcement
for
some
sexual
abuse
investigations
in
which
the
caretaker
is
not
or
the
alleged
perpetrator
is
not
a
caretaker.
The
96
978
is
the
number
of
reports
that
actually
contained
an
allegation
of
child
abuse
or
neglect
of
those.
Forty
thousand
two
hundred
and
thirty
met
our
acceptance
criteria
or
screened
in
it
means
that
that
allegation
met
the
criteria
based
on
our
statutory
definitions
of
abuse
or
neglect
of
those.
I
Only
9485
resulted
in
a
report
that
was
substantiated
arrest,
services
needed
finding
and
7
601
of
those
were
an
actual
substantiation
of
maltreatment.
So
from
this,
33
percent
of
the
original
contacts
met
criteria
for
investigation
and
41
of
those
with
some
type
of
allegation
met
criteria.
I
Only
eight
percent
actually
resulted
in
a
substantiation
of
service
or
services
needed
finding
in
which
the
the
cabinet
would
provide
ongoing
services,
and
I
think
that
information
is
really
important,
because
what
that
means
is
the
vast
majority
of
the
reports
that
are
coming
into
the
agency.
Don't
meet
statutory
criteria
for
the
cabinet
to
take
any
action
at
all,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
because
it
is
an
incredible
missed
opportunity
for
prevention.
I
Neglect
is,
by
far
the
biggest
reason
for
substantiations
that
lead
to
entry
into
care,
and
this
is
true
in
kentucky
as
well
as
across
the
nation.
Physical
abuse
represents
only
18.4
percent
of
injuries,
while
sexual
abuse
is
only
6.5
percent
of
entries.
One
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
point
out
here
and
also
in
the
previous
slides
about
entries
into
to
care,
is
that,
even
though
we've
seen
fewer
entries
because
of
the
success
of
our
prevention
services,
we're
still
providing
services
to
family
who
are
experiencing
complex
issues.
I
In
this
next
slide,
we'll
show
a
little
bit
more
of
that.
These
are
the
three
risk
factors
that
we
track
for
situations
in
which
in
which
a
child
comes
into
out-of-home
care.
So
we
track
the
presence
of
mental
health
as
a
risk
factor,
substance,
abuse
and
domestic
violence.
So
this
you
can
see
on
this
slide
that,
in
more
than
half
of
the
cases
that
led
to
entry
into
care,
mental
health
was
a
factor
that
I
either
directly
contributed
to.
The
reason
for
removal
indirectly
contributed,
or
was
at
least
a
risk
factor.
I
I
think
that
middle
stacked
bar
graph
there
is
perhaps
the
most
compelling
and
certainly
paints
a
picture
about
the
needs
of
families
in
kentucky
52.7
percent
of
entries
into
care
had
substance
abuse
as
a
factor
that
directly
contributed
another
five
percent
indirectly
contributed
and
15
of
cases.
That
was
a
risk
factor,
so
in
total
73
of
injuries
into
care
had
substance
abuse
as
a
risk
factor
and
then
on
the
right
there.
I
You
see
domestic
violence
as
well,
so
just
under
half
of
the
injuries
into
care,
domestic
violence
was
a
risk
factor
whether
that
directly
contributed
indirectly
or
was
just
a
risk
factor.
I
So
I
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
about
a
pilot
that
was
launched
in
this
past
state
fiscal
year.
It
is
a
community
response
pilot
called
helping
others
and
promoting
empowerment
or
hope.
This
relates
to
the
information
that
I
just
shared,
that
less
than
40
of
reports
that
meet
correct
that
come
into
the
cabinet
meet
criteria
for
the
cabinet
to
take
any
type
of
action.
I
That
means
that
you
know
a
family
had
some
kind
of
challenge
or
crisis
or
struggle
that
rose
to
the
level
that
someone
felt
it
was
important
to
make
a
report
to
the
cabinet
and
because
that
concern
did
not
meet
the
statutory
threshold
of
abuse
or
neglect.
The
cabinet
was
not
able
to
take
any
action.
I
These
are
families
that
really
need
some
other
type
of
support
or
service
in
their
community,
and,
as
I
said,
I
think
that
community
response
is
perhaps
our
greatest
missed
opportunity
for
prevention,
because
there's
no
formal
structure
today
for
those
families
to
be
referred
to
any
other
type
of
supports
or
services.
So
this
community
response
pilot
is
for
those
reports
that
don't
meet
criteria
for
acceptance
by
the
cabinet
for
assessment
or
services.
The
overall
goal,
of
course,
is
to
strengthen
families,
prevent
child
abuse
and
neglect
and
reduce
future
reports
to
dcbs.
I
I
We've
done
this
in
partnership
with
gateway
children's
services,
who
will
be
serving
clark
and
montgomery
counties
and
our
family
resource
youth
service
centers,
who
will
be
serving
barron
and
perry
counties.
This
pilot
will
be
formally
evaluated,
so
it
is
a
two-year
pilot
with
a
formal
program
evaluation
and
we
hope
that
the
results
of
that
evaluation
will
give
us
good
information
about
next
steps
for
expansion
and
perhaps
to
support
funding
for
expansion
to
other
counties.
I
The
timing
of
this
pilot
was
really
perfect
because
of
the
passing
of
senate
bill
8..
The
intentional
effort
to
distinguish
between
poverty
and
neglect
is
very
relevant
to
this
part
to
this
pilot,
because
most
of
the
issues
for
which
families
will
be
referred,
do
you
relate
to
poverty,
some
of
our
other
primary
and
secondary
prevention
efforts
include
parent
engagement
meetings
and
we
expanded
those
to
14
counties
in
this
past
state
fiscal
year
and
that
program
served
579
families.
So
this
program
is
for
families
who
are
struggling
with
truancy
and
school-related
issues.
I
They
get
referred
to
the
parent
engagement
meetings,
so
these
are
reports
that
would,
if
these
services
were
not
effective,
would
become
reports
of
educational
neglect
to
the
cabinet,
so
that
program
has
been
85
percent
effective
and
that
85
percent
of
families
serve
do
not
have
subsequent
reports
of
neglect
to
the
cabinet.
This
has
also
benefited
the
school
systems
financially,
because
their
attendance
is
better.
They
don't
have
lost
the
students,
don't
have
lost
days
in
the
school
system
for
instruction
and
families
are
supported
and
do
not
have
to
become
child
welfare
agency
involved.
I
We've
also
increased
in-home
service
provision
under
our
community
collaborations
for
children,
which
was
an
existing
program.
That
program
served
568
families
in
state
fiscal
year
22..
We
also
in
partnership
with
prevent
child
abuse.
Kentucky
launched
a
lead
on
me
initiative
and
invested
in
fatherhood
engagement
activities
lean
on
me
was
modeled
after
a
similar
program
in
arizona.
I
We
also
know
that
these
fatherhood
engagement
efforts
are
important,
because
research
shows
that
children
who
have
engaged
fathers
are
less
likely
to
suffer
maltreatment
and
that
fatherhood
engagement
initiative
was
able
to
reach
all
parts
of
the
state.
So
there
were
participants
in
that
throughout
our
entire
state.
I
Now
having
their
prevention
plans
approved,
we
have
seen
other
states
that
have
been
more
creative
in
their
definition
and
have
created
community
pathways
to
be
able
to
leverage
additional
title
40
funding,
and
this
is
something
that
we
plan
to
pursue
as
well.
So,
for
example,
our
multi-systemic
therapy
pilot
for
youth
with
high-risk
behaviors
now
can
only
serve
youth
in
which
the
child
welfare
agency
is
involved.
I
Having
to
go
on
the
child
abuse
and
neglect
registry,
and
without
a
finding
of
abuse
or
neglect
against
the
family,
I
wanted
to
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
future
funding
for
prevention.
The
agency
is
really
being
very
thoughtful
and
intentional
about
approaching
expansion
of
prevention
services
in
a
way
that
is
sustainable,
long
term.
I
We
have
been
reluctant
to
do
things
with
one-time
funding
without
a
plan
and
means
to
sustain
that
so
really
trying
to
be
thoughtful
about
the
things
that
we
implement
now
how
they
will
be
sustained
in
the
future.
One
of
the
things
that
is
really
important
about
the
family
first
prevention
services
act.
Is
this
title
4e
prevention
funding
the
match
currently
is
50
50..
So
when
you
know
we
spend
money
on
on
prevention,
services
that
fall
under
family
first,
then
we
receive
a
50
federal
reimbursement.
I
However,
as
of
october
1st
2026
that
federal
reimbursement
increases
to
the
federal
medical
assistance,
percentage
or
f
map
rate
kentucky's,
f
map
rate
currently
is
about
72
percent.
It
does.
It
can
change
from
year
to
year
it
does
fluctuate,
but
I
think
that
we
can
anticipate
that
our
federal
reimbursement
starting
october
1st
2026,
will
be
about
72
percent
federal
dollars,
which
will
allow
us
to
better
sustain
expansions
that
we
undertake
in
the
next
four
years.
I
Expanding
our
definition
of
candidacy
for
foster
care
will
also
help
us
to
love
leverage
federal
funds
potentially
for
youth
and
families
that
are
currently
not
included
in
that
definition,
and
so
often
those
youth
now
and
families
are
receiving
services
that
are
either
funded
with
state
general
funds
or
with
other
prevention
funding
resources,
and
so
that
would
be
another
strategy
to
leverage
additional
federal
funds
for
prevention.
If
we
are
able
to
get
an
expanded
definition
of
candidacy
for
foster
care
approved
at
the
federal
level,
we
also
have
can.
A
I
ask
you
one
thing:
it's
we're
getting
close
to
430,
and
so
I
was
wondering
maybe
if
you
could
maybe
be
a
little
quicker
on
the
final
slide.
So
in
case
anybody
has
any
questions.
Sure
thank
you.
I
I
It
is
one-time
funding,
so
we
need
to
be
thoughtful
about
how
we
utilize
that,
in
a
way
that
allows
us
to
sustain
those
services
long-term,
we
also
have
one-time
cb
cap
funding,
which
is
a
supplement
which
also
has
to
be
used
by
9,
30,
20,
25
and
then
other
funding
sources
that
support
prevention
include
tana
funds,
title
4b
funds
and
child
victims
trust
fund
funding.
There
are
other
states
like
wisconsin
that
are
using
their
child
victims,
trust
fund
funding
to
support
community
response.
I
The
next
slide
is
about
thriving
families,
safer
children,
which
is
a
national
commitment
to
child
well-being.
Kentucky
did
join
this
at
the
beginning
of
2021.
They
were
selected
as
a
round
two
jurisdiction.
This
is
a
joint
initiative
by
large
national
partners,
including
the
children's
bureau.
It
was
really
intended
to
be
a
movement
to
rethink
the
approach
to
child
welfare,
really
thinking
about
how
we
support
community
and
family
well-being
rather
than
being
reactionary.
I
Some
of
kentucky's
priorities
were
the
creation
of
formalized
structures
to
serve
families
screened
out
or
that
community
response
differentiating
between
poverty
and
neglect,
which
we
have
a
huge
head
start
on.
Thanks
to
senate
bill
8
and
the
development
of
a
statewide
collaborative
primary
and
secondary
prevention
plan,
the
cabinet,
in
partnership
with
thriving
families,
safer
children
partners,
has
launched
a
formal,
statewide
prevention
collaborative.
I
It
was
formed
in
may
of
2021
and
convenes
quarterly.
It
has
more
than
120
members
that
include
stakeholders
and
families
with
lived
experience.
I
This
group
actually
developed
a
formal,
primary
and
secondary
prevention
plan
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
it's
the
first
time
that
our
state
has
ever
had
that
it
was
informed
completely
by
stakeholders
and
not
by
the
cabinet.
This
collaborative
allows
for
the
alignment
of
prevention
efforts
across
agencies.
We
know
that
we
have
good
prevention
efforts
going
on
at
the
community-based
level,
but
often
that
work
is
in
silo,
so
the
collaborative
allows
the
sharing
information
so
that
we
can
be
more
aligned
in
our
efforts.
I
This
is
really
similar
to
will
serve
the
same
purpose
as
our
voices
of
the
commonwealth,
which
you
know
allows
for
our
young
people,
who
have
experience
and
care
to
have
a
voice.
Recruitment
and
interviews
have
already
occurred
for
that,
and
that
group
met
for
the
first
time
in
june.
It
will
create
an
opportunity
for
feedback,
a
co-design
and
a
voice
in
policy
making
for
issues
that
affect
families.
I
We
did
wait
anxiously.
You
know
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
to
see
if
the
predictions
would
be
true.
There
was
a
lot
of
concern.
You
see
real
headlines
there
about
what
would
happen
when
children
returned
to
in-person
instruction.
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
that
reports
the
agency
were
going
to
skyrocket.
I
I
They
certainly
have
not
reached
pre-pandemic
level,
and
although
there
is
not
probably
a
singular
reason
for
this,
we
have
reason
to
believe
that
the
provision
of
economic
and
concrete
supports
is
a
contributing
factor
on
this
last
slide.
I
won't
read
this
to
you,
but
this
is
a
a
study
that
relates
to
state
spending
on
public
benefits
and
how
that
drives
down
child
mild
treatment.
I
So
this
study
included
all
50
states
and
dc
and
showed
that
each
additional
thousand
dollars
that
states
spend
annually
on
public
benefit
programs
per
person
living
in
poverty
is
associated
with
a
4.3
percent
reduction
in
child
maltreatment.
Four
percent
reduction
in
substantiated
child
mild
treatment,
2.1
reduction
in
foster
care
placements
and
a
7.7
reduction
in
child
fatalities.
Due
to
maltreatment,
there
is
a
link
to
the
full
study
there
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide.
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
that.
I
I
So
I
would
encourage
you
not
to
take
my
word
for
it,
but
certainly
to
to
look
at
those
things
for
yourself,
there
was
actually
an
article
that
I
saw
for
the
first
time.
It
just
came
out
this
morning
from
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics
by
this
same
author,
dr
poole's,
claire
anderson
from
chapin
hall
and
a
third
author,
whose
name
is
escaping
me
right
now,
but
is
about
the
provision
of
universal
child
care
and
how
that
drives
down
maltreatment.
I
And
so
I
think
you
know
the
point
of
providing
this
information.
That
is
that
in
one
of
the
poorest
states
in
the
nation
that
we
really
can't
have
meaningful
conversations
about
prevention.
If
we're
not
having
conversation
about
the
provision
of
economic
and
concrete
supports
to
families.
J
A
So
fast
and
talking
so,
I
appreciate
the
information,
and
I
do
also
enjoy
that.
It
was
exhaustive,
because
you
know
everybody
that
sits
on
this
committee
is
really
interested
in
these
topics,
and
this
is
the
purpose
for
the
committee
is
to
take
a
really
deep
dive
into
making
sure
that
the
policies
that
we
promote
and
the
dollars
that
we
put
behind
them
are
being
very
well
spent.
So
I
do
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
It
was
excellent.
Senator
berg
has
a
question.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chairwoman,
and
and
my
question
I
think,
starts
on
slide
six
and
then
jumps
to
slide
11..
If
we
could
go
back
to
slide
six,
I
was
trying
to
actually
find
if
we
have
a
denominator,
no
wrong
slide.
I'm
sorry!
It's
slide
three
slide.
Three!
I
So
I
certainly
cannot
give
you
that
number,
I'm
sitting
here
today
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
do.
I
will
tell
you
that
when
we
were
preparing
for
implementation
of
family
first,
we
did
do
work
around
putting
together
numbers
of
who
would
be
our
total
population
that
could
meet
that
definition
of
candidates
for
foster
care.
I
think
that
we
can
probably
pretty
easily
pull
that
number
together
for
you
today
that
that
would
give
you
an
idea
of
the
total
number
of
families
that
at
least
meet
the
definition
of
candidates
for
foster
care.
I
I
The
particular
circumstances
of
that
family
also
have
to
be
such
that
when
that
worker
assesses
risk
and
safety
that
worker
feels
comfortable
that
if
they
do
not
remove
that
child,
that
child
is
going
to
be
safe
with
those
in-home
services.
So
that's
what
we
can't
really
show
you
as
much
in
the
data.
I
So
I
can
certainly
give
you,
I
think
we
can
pull
together
and
give
you
that
total
debt
that
total
number
of
families
or
children
that
meet
the
definition
of
candidate
for
foster
care.
I
would
just
ask
you
to
have
that
sort
of
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
and
some
of
those
factors
are
not
not.
All
parents
are
willing
to
participate
in
those
in-home
services,
and
that
certainly
would
have
to
be
a
criteria
for
those
services
to
be
effective.
F
And
then
may
I
have
a
follow-up,
please.
You
know
looking
at
data,
particularly
the
turnaround
study
and
looking
at
what
we
should
expect
in
this
state
going
forward.
You
know
data
that
we
have
on
on
women
who
have
been
denied
abortions.
Approximately
90
of
them
end
up
keeping
those
children.
They
do
not
place
them
for
adoption
and
of
those
90.
F
Some
states
as
high
as
52
percent
end
up
needing
public
services
or
in
the
care
of
the
state,
because
the
pregnancy
was
not
optimal.
To
begin
with
and
the
mother
is
simply
not
able.
Are
we
looking
forward
anticipating
what
type
of
increases
in
needs
we
expect
from
your
department
going
forward
in
this
state.
I
I
will
probably
have
to
take
that
question
back.
I'm
not
sure
that
I
can
answer
that
today.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
not
personally
been
involved
in
conversations
related
to
that
issue,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
they
are
not
occurring
somewhere
else
in
the
department
yeah.
So
yeah.
F
I
mean,
if
we're
going
to
be
forward
thinking
and
we're
going
to
be
prepared
for
the
needs
that
we
have.
I
think
we
need
to
take
some
of
the
data
that
we
know
exists,
try
to
extrapolate
what
type
of
needs
we're
going
to
be
anticipating
in
the
near
future,
what
what
type
of
funding
we're
going
to
need
for
that
and
how
we're
going
to
supply
those
needs.
So
thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
can
we
go
back
to
slide
20
and
21
real,
quick.
J
Thank
you
christ.
If
you
don't
care
to
explain
these
two
slides
to
me
again,
and
the
only
reason
I
ask
that
is
because,
on
tuesday
in
the
health
and
family
services
task
force
meeting
what
was
said
by
one
of
those
sitting
at
that
table
was
that
what
we
saw
when
it
came
to
this
this
topic
right
here.
What
we
saw
was
far
worse
than
anticipated
by
not
having
eyes
on
those
children
for
a
year
or
two
years.
Can
you
explain
that
kind
of
a
contradictory
message
right
there.
I
D
Believe
the
severity
of
the
case
is
what
was
being
referred
to,
not
the
actual
numbers,
but
our
community
partners
have
spoken
to
the
cases
being
more
severe,
the
abuse
being
worse.
D
That's
been
indicated
by
by
our
community
partners.
Yes,
I
know
dr
curry
has
has
been,
has
testified
about
the
cases
that
she's
been
a
part
of
okay
being
more
severe.
J
All
right
and
then
my
other
question
is
back
to
slide
five
and
six.
J
When,
when
the
prevention
services
money
was
was
appropriated
by
the
general
assembly,
there
was
20
million
dollars,
and
that
was
to
be
utilized
by
july
of
this
year,
so
we
utilized
12.7
million
of
that,
so
that
that
would
mean
that
7.3
million
would
then
lapse
back
to
the
general
fund.
Is
that
correct?
J
Okay?
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is,
first
and
foremost,
you
have
done
a
phenomenal
job
over
dead
dcbs
and
you
know
you're
a
rock
star
over
there.
You
know
more
than
probably
anybody
that
I've
I've
dealt
with
over
there
and
you've
done
a
fantastic
job.
So
none
of
my
next
comments
are
are
directed
towards
you
or
any
of
these
folks
sitting
out
here
today.
You
all
do
a
terrific
job
over
there
implementing
the
laws
that
we
pass.
So
you
you,
you
really
do
wonderful
work
and
you
have
wonderful
hearts.
J
J
Qualified
residential
treatment
is
used
after
that
child
enters
the
system.
It
is
not,
in
my
mind,
really
prevention
services,
it's
a
recurring
cost
spent
with
one-time
money
and
it
places
an
even
bigger
burden
on
us
in
the
general
assembly
in
the
next
budget.
Because
of
that
recurring
cost.
And
again
I
understand
that
need
for
that
residential
treatment.
J
We
knew
that
the
entire
20
million
dollars
couldn't
be
spent
one
year
and
we
were
willing
to
go
ahead
and
extend
that
time
once
we
got
to
july
of
this
year.
However,
many
of
us
feel
that
this
administration
has
not
been
good
stewards
of
that
money
when
it
comes
to
this
particular
incident
of
spending
one-time
money
on
recurring
costs.
Now,
ultimately,
we'll
probably
extend
the
time,
because
I
believe
in
it
I'm
passionate
about
prevention
services.
J
I
believe
that
we
can
hold
families
together
and
we
can
keep
kids
out
of
care
if
we
expand
these
programs,
and
so
we
will
probably
do
that,
but
the
money
that
the
cabinet
was
given
in
the
2021
session,
in
my
opinion
in
this
instance,
was
not
spent
appropriately.
J
I
I
do
hope
that
the
slide
that
followed
about
the
future
funding
prevention,
perhaps
in
some
way,
is
helpful
in
terms
of
a
strategy,
and
you
know
the
the
cabinet
and
specifically
those
who
work
in
the
area
prevention,
how
we're
thinking
about
how
to
be
able
to
to
blend
together,
one-time
funding,
with
federal
funding,
with
with
the
general
funds
that
we
are
fortunate
enough
to
receive
through
the
general
assembly
for
the
purpose
of
prevention,
so
that
we
can
be
very
strategic
in
how
we
serve
families.
I
We
did
okay,
one
of
the
major
areas
of
focus
this
past
state
fiscal
year
was
the
expansion
of
our
k-step
program.
It
is
more
than
93
percent
effective
in
keeping
children
at
home
with
their
families.
It
is
a
phenomenal
program
and
it
is
definitely
keeping
children
from
entering
care
who
would
otherwise
come
into
care.
We
did
expand
that
into
our
entire
salt
river
trail
service
region.
We
also
our
intent
was
to
expand
that
into
our
entire
cumberland
service
region.
I
We
could
not
get
a
substance
use
disorder
provider
to
contract
with
us
to
provide
those
services
for
half
of
that
service
region.
So
I'm
not
making
excuses,
but
just
sharing
information
that
it
was
a
very
significant
challenge.
Our
prevention
staff
were
very
diligent
in
actually
seeking
out
potential
service
providers
and
practically
begging
them
to
contract
with
us.
I
They
were
really
struggling
with
hiring
challenges,
and
so,
unfortunately,
we
did
see
some
barriers
with
implementing
services
that
we
had
planned,
specifically
with
regard
to
k-step.
But
I
think
those
hiring
challenges
are
true
for
a
lot
of
the
partners
with
with
which
we
partner
for
these
prevention
services.
It's
true
for
for
our
own
department
as
well,
where
and
for
our
residential
providers.
I
So
we're
seeing
that
across
the
board
that
hiring
challenges
really
are
a
significant
barrier
and
unfortunately
it's
not
allowing
it
has
not
allowed
us
to
ramp
up
with
the
speed
that
we
would
have
liked
and
again.
That
is
absolutely
not
an
excuse,
but
just
sharing
information
about
challenges
that
we
encountered,
that
we
were
not
anticipating.
J
And
those
were
some
of
the
things
that
we
kind
of
anticipated
and
knew
that
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
spend
that
money
and,
first
of
all,
I'll
say
you,
but
I
know
that
these
decisions
for
spending
this
money
is
made
at
a
much
higher
level.
But
and
then
I
also
know
that
many
of
these
wonderful
programs
that
we
have
implemented
and
expanded
on
in
some
of
these
pilot
programs
have
been
partially
your
idea.
G
Tate,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
So
I'm
glad
you
brought
this
slide
up,
because
this
is
exactly
where
my
question
was
and
if
you
could
elaborate-
and
you
might
just
have-
and
I've
kind
of
misunderstood,
but
can
you
elaborate
on
expanding
the
definition
of
candidacy?
And
that's
is
that
in
the
areas
that
you're
talking
about
or
is
that
specific?
Because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
promoting
behavior,
that's
not
conducive
to
keeping
families
intact.
Just
for
the
sake
of
getting
additional
federal
funding.
Sure.
I
I
There
are
actually,
even
today,
almost
three
years
later,
there
are
only
23
states
with
approved
4e
prevention
plans,
so
we
were
far
ahead
of
other
states
and
I
think
we're.
You
know
very
glad
that
we
did
that.
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
we
were
not
very
creative
in
our
definition
of
candidate.
For
foster
care,
we
stuck
with
a
more
traditional
definition,
meaning
that
there
was
a
report
to
the
child
welfare
agency.
Our
staff
went
out
and
assessed
risk
and
safety
for
that
family.
I
What
we're
seeing
now
with
other
states
submitting
their
4e
prevention
plans
is
that
other
states
have
fought
a
little
bit
more
outside
the
box,
and
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
good
examples
there
that
we
could
follow,
and
so
they
are
considering
those
populations
that
we
know
are
at
risk
of
entry
into
care.
So
it
is,
for
example,
I
can.
I
can
name
off
with
a
list
of
them,
but
it
is
your
court
involved
youth,
so
youth
who,
who
become
involved
with
the
court,
become
involved
in
djj
very
often
subsequently
become
foster
children.
I
So
once
they've
completed
that
treatment
or
the
court
is
no
longer
involved
with
them
very
often,
they
still
can't
return
home
to
family.
They
end
up
placed
with
the
child
welfare
agency.
We
also
have
children
who
come
into
care
because
they
have
behavioral
health
needs
that
their
families
cannot
meet
with
their
private
insurance
and
so
there's
not
any
abuse
or
neglect,
but
they
come
into
foster
care,
because
that
is
the
only
way
the
family
can
access
appropriate
treatment
for
that
child.
So
that's
another
population
that
really.
I
I
think
that
we
can
make
a
justification
that
that
they're
a
candidate
for
foster
care.
Some
other
states
have
used
populations
like
families
who
are
struck,
struggling
with
substance
use
disorder.
You
saw
that
in
our
own
data
that
that's
a
really
significant
factor
so
that
you
know
potentially
could
be
a
community
pathway
and
when
I
say
community
pathway,
what
that
means
is.
If
we
can
change
the
definition
that
it
doesn't
require
substantiation
by
the
child
welfare
agency,
then
the
federal
law
actually
would
allow
an
approved
community
provider.
I
The
child
welfare
agency
only
has
to
certify
that
that
child
meets
the
definition
of
candidate
for
foster
care.
They
don't
have
to
have
an
open
case
under
the
federal
definition.
It's
the
way
that
we
structured
our
definition
in
kentucky
that
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
make
an
amendment
and
change
that
so
we're
just
trying
to
be
creative
about
how
we
can
serve
more
families
in
the
future.
If
we
were
to
make
changes
to
our
4e
prevention
plan,
submit
that
to
the
federal
level
and
then
get
that
approved.
I
But
we
know
that
there
are
populations
who
are
at
risk
of
entry
into
care
that
perhaps
could
be
served
through
these
community
pathways
without
having
to
burden
our
child
welfare
staff
with
having
to
have
an
open
case
in
order
to
create
a
pathway
to
to
obtain
those
services.
And
so
those
are
the
things
that
we're.
Having
conversations
about
now,
I
do
want
to
set
realistic
expectations.
It's
a
long
process
to
amend
your
federal
plan
and
submit
that
and
get
that
approved
at
the
federal
level.
I
So
we're
probably
talking
about
at
least
a
year
from
now,
and
that
might
be
optimistic
because
it
would
also
require
changes.
It
would
require
interfaces
to
exchange
information
with
a
community-based
provider
in
our
child
welfare
information
system,
so
they're
programming,
changes
that
would
have
to
happen.
I
But
these
are
conversations
that
are
actively
going
on
right
now,
but
it
would
be
an
opportunity
that
we
are
not
taking
advantage
of
right
now
to
leverage
federal
title
4e
funding
for
prevention
services
for
services
that
now
are
either
being
provided
and
funded
through
state
general
funds
through
our
community-based
child
abuse
prevention
funds,
but
they're
being
funded
in
other
ways
or
they're,
perhaps
not
available
to
families.
G
Thank
you.
May
I
ask
a
follow-up
question.
Please
quickly,
yeah,
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
realized
that
this,
the
prevent
the
plan
was
submitted
in
2019,
and
so
I
always
like
to
use
the
term
that
we
have
the
right
to
get
smarter.
So
I
was
going
to
ask
you
that
follow-up
question
is
I'm
assuming
after
the
time
has
passed
and
because
other
people
have
submitted
other
states
have
submitted
that
we
have
gathered
additional
information
prior
to
that
submission
to
the
federal
government.
I
No,
it's
really
an
administrative
function
with
the
child
welfare
agency
and
the
federal
children's
bureau.
So
we
can,
we
actually
have
a
pending.
We've
already
submitted
one
amendment
to
add
additional
evidence-based
practices.
We
actually
have
a
pending
amendment
awaiting
approval
now
to
add,
intercept
that
as
an
evidence-based
practice,
which
I
mentioned
and
explained
in
the
presentation
which
will
allow
us
to
to
serve
families
that
are
dealing
with
really
high
risk
situations.
G
J
Thank
you.
I
actually
would
like
to
say
a
couple
things
again.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you
for
what
you
do.
Thank
you
for
the
work
for
the
children
of
this
state
families,
this
state,
you
do
a
remarkable
job
and
I
do
hope
that
in
the
near
future
that
the
commissioner
will
attend
one
of
these
meetings.
Personally,
we
would
like
to
see
her
here
as
well,
but
with
that
said,
what
I
would
like
to
say
is
krista.
We
know
that
tomorrow
is
your
last
day.
J
I
think,
and
you
have
done
an
excellent
job
and
we
we
appreciate
all
that
you
have
done
as
well
for
the
state
it's
going
to
be
a
tremendous
loss
at
that
cabinet
without
you,
there
you've,
always
as
as
I've
seen
from
you
in
a
good
way.
J
You've
always
been
able
and
been
willing
in
a
professional
way
to
tell
it
how
it
is,
and
so
we
appreciate
that
also
and
the
data
that
you've
brought
to
us
the
help
that
you've
given
us
over
the
years
to
start
a
lot
of
this
reform
that
we
have
done
from
our
standpoint.
We
really
appreciate
that,
and
we
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
as
you
go
forward.
I
Thank
you
very
much.
I
really
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
and
share
information,
as
you
all
can
probably
tell
I
could
talk
about
it
for
hours,
so
I
appreciate
your
all's
patience
with
me
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share.
It
really
has
been
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
come
here
and
share
information
and
work
in
partnership.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
A
All
right:
well,
I
appreciate
it
if
there's
our
next
child
welfare
oversight
and
advisory
committee
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
wednesday
september
14th
at
1pm,
so
mark
your
calendars
and
if
there
are
no
objections,
I
move
for
adjournment.