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From YouTube: Cataloging Special Interest Group - 9/23/2021
Description
Recorded during the Fresh Perspectives Conference.
Chat logs:
00:00:00 Intro
07:59:40 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://youtu.be/KD48Q9gNg5w
08:00:07 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://www.youtube.com/user/alctsce/playlists
08:02:20 Victor Zuniga: "Metadata connects everything..." Idea for a T-shirt?
08:06:02 Heather Hernandez (she/her): I would SO buy that tshirt!!
08:07:24 Jason Vasche (RRPL): what do you find to be a strength of the basic editor?
08:07:33 bjohnson: please give some love to following bugs: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26373.
08:07:36 bjohnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26836
08:09:10 Jason Vasche (RRPL): fixed fields makes good sense, it can be frustrating to toggle the helper in the advanced editor
08:09:32 Victor Zuniga: Any ideas as to why the non-public note field value would not display when editing a record? It does display when you first attempt to input a value into the record. It just not display the value after initially inserting into the record.
08:15:00 Tasha: When time to answer, do you have to reload records to change frameworks, once records have already been loaded? It doesn't look like you can use batch edit tools to change to a different framework.
08:16:38 Heather Hernandez (she/her): Ah--no, I was mistaken! You know which item record you're actually editing because it's highlighted in that pinkish color, which this one was.
08:30:24 Heather Hernandez (she/her): Kitty!!
08:31:09 Bruce Metcalf: Doofus the Blob. "Pick me up! Now put me down!"
08:31:37 Melanie: Lists?
08:34:21 Hall Library: We have bag items as well. We have reduced the number of items in the bags to five and barcode each one. Which was easier for us. Because each items cost.
08:37:49 Margaret Brown: We treat our Special Collections as a separate branch. They have their own weird classification scheme.
08:39:24 Hall Library: Set up a branch transfer make the location and check it out to that branch that you made up.
08:50:20 Fred King: https://xkcd.com/208/
08:50:54 Heather Hernandez (she/her): YES, Fred!!
08:51:19 Jason: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21860
08:51:59 Hall Library: That is not how we learned to catalog nor shelve books. The "The or An" are always last
A
If
there's
no
federal
government
shutdown,
I
will
be
there.
I
am
a
federal
employee.
So
if
there's
a
partial
shutdown
of
the
us
federal
government,
I
will
be
off
work,
but
the
meeting
will
still
happen.
It
would
still
be
there
so
you
know
carry
on
and
in
our
last
meeting
we
had
started
to
talk
about
cartographic,
cataloging
cataloging
of
maps,
charts
atlases
things
like
that,
and
I
just
happen
to
find
a
really
great
video
on
youtube
on
youtube.
That's
absolutely
free!
A
Channel,
which
is
a
fabulous
channel,
I'm
going
to
put
that
in
the
chat
as
well:
the
american
library,
association,
association
for
library,
cataloging
and
technical
services,
continuing
education.
I
think
I
I
started
watching
this
video
on
cartographic
materials
cataloging,
and
it
was
so
good
that,
even
though
I've
been
cataloging
maps
and
charts
regularly,
it
had
so
many
good
reminders.
C
C
E
Speaking
of
those
linking
fields,
is
there
so
I'm
trying
to
do
some
of
the
linkings
and
the
zero
zero
one?
Is
the
bib
number
right?
It's
a
bib
number
amy
from
well.
Okay,
so
ours
would
be
in
our
internal
system.
Is
there
a
way
for
koha
to
auto
populate
the
bib
number
so
like?
If
I'm
on
record
number
one?
B
D
A
flag
you
set
that
in
the
administration
settings
and
then,
when
you
open
the
record,
at
least
in
the
advanced
editor,
you
can
either
click
on
assign
next
number
or
you
can
also
there's
another
box.
You
can
click
in
order
plug
in
anything
you
like,
so
it's
not
you
don't
have
to
commit
to
it.
It's
a
it's
an
option
with
each
issue:
each
biblio
you
create.
A
And
for
those
new
to
cohort
or
unfamiliar
with
coho
cataloging,
there
are
two
count
of
two
editors
for
bibliographic
records
and
they're
usually
called
the
basic,
which
is
very
point
and
click,
and
the
advanced
sometimes
also
called
rancor,
because
that
was
what
people
talked
about
it
when
it
was
developed.
That
is
more
like
a
text
editor.
D
C
A
So
jason
asks:
what
do
I
find
to
be
some
strengths
of
the
basic
editor?
Well,
I'm
doing
a
in
a
very,
very,
very
brief,
brief
little
record
that
I'm
throwing
up
like
something's
being
ordered,
or
it's
just
some
sort
of
placeholder,
or
we
did
a
lot
of
these
and
we
were
doing
some
weird
buying
of
materials
during
the
pandemic.
A
D
The
I
I
I
have
to
switch
back
and
forth
because
the
basic
editor
makes
it
easy
for
me
to
deal
with
things
even
with
the
z3950
download,
but
especially
without
when
I'm
doing
original
catalog.
It
was
about
a
quarter
of
my
job,
but
I
very
often
have
to
go
back
into
the
advanced
editor
to
do
things
like
the
auto
increment
on
the
control
number
and
make
sure
it's
assigned
the
right
values
and
the
in
the
tags
which
is
not
well
covered
by
the
basic
I.
A
Well-
and
there
are
some
bug
opportunities
if
you
find
functionality
in
one
that
you
wish
you
could
do
in
the
other,
and
you
can
take
the
time
to
articulate
that
and
put
in
a
bug.
I
know
we'd
all
appreciate
it,
which
is
something
I
need
to
spend
more
time
to,
and
speaking
of
bugs
barbara's
put
some
in
the
chat
for
us
to
give
some
attention
to
bug
number
two:
six,
three,
seven
three
and
bug
number
two:
six,
eight
three
six.
A
And
we
have
some
other
comments.
Jason
says:
yeah
fix
fields
makes
good
sense
because
it's
frustrating
sometimes
to
toggle
the
helper
in
the
advanced.
Editor,
yes,
and
then
victor
puts
in
any
ideas
to
why
the
non-public
note
field
value
would
not
display
when
editing
a
record
it
does
display.
When
you
first
attempt
to
input
a
value
into
the
record,
it
does
not
display
the
value
after
initially
inserting
into
the
record
so
victor.
If
you
feel
comfortable.
Turning
on
your
camera
and
joining
us.
G
Yeah
I
mean
we're
having
a
funny
issue
actually
barb
and
I
work
together.
Yes,
hi
barb,
and
so
you
know
I
went
through
the
whole
thing,
because
this
one
co
is
very
different
from
what
we
use
on
our
library,
which
is
triple
I,
you
know
we
have
those
divided
by
structure.
You
know
order
patron
item,
but
with
koha
you
have
to
add
those
item
levels
into
the
bay
record
on
the
952.
F
I
think
there's
a
visibility
part,
and
maybe
the
visibility
didn't
get
checked
because
what's
happening
is
I'm
going
to
like
item
batch
modification,
I'm
changing
them
all
they're
saying
you
know
a
hundred
got
changed
and
then
I
look
up
at
the
top,
and
only
a
few
have
that
are
on
the
full
item.
Record
have
have
the
the
note.
A
There's
a
very
big
difference
between
triple
a
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I
worked
with
triple
a,
but
I
worked
in
a
lot
of
triple
I
libraries
and
in
koha
in
in
koha,
when
you're
in
a
bib
editor,
the
basic
editor
or
the
advanced
editor
you're,
not
going
to
see
that
952
line
for
an
item
record
app.
Oh,
you
really
need
to
be
in
an
edit
item
screen
or
the
batch
item.
Modification
or
there's
there's
other
ways
to
edit
some
of
the
fields
in
other
displays,
but
right,
yeah
and
those
bibliographic
framework.
D
G
Okay,
perfect,
so
good,
and
thanks
for
that
bruce
so,
like
you
know,
we
go
through
this
and
as
far
as
I
can
tell
it's
visible,
it
can
be
edited.
You
know
I
mean
I
I've
gone
through
the
framework
infrastructure,
which
is
quite
different
than
editing.
That
framework
interesting
note
is
there,
so
this
right
here
will
be
a
an
example
you
know
of
that
non-public
node,
and
so
you
can
see
it
right
here,
right
yeah.
If
I
go
ahead
and
click
on
edit,
this
particular
breaker.
C
I
think
this
is
a
different
issue.
There's
two
different
places:
you
can
place
a
non-public
note,
there's
this
page
and
then,
if
you
click
on
items
on
the
left,
there's
a
second
field,
so
yeah
click
there-
and
this
is
like
accessible
see.
There's
your
non-public
note.
So
this
is
accessible
to
the
circulation
staff,
but
not
the
cataloging
staff.
A
C
G
G
G
C
C
B
C
G
F
Anything,
I
don't
think
we're
doing
that.
One
of
the
things
to
kind
of
let
let
people
know
about
what's
going
on,
is
both
victor
and
I
are
working
with
hgh
libraries
for
all,
which
is
a
a
non-profit,
and
this
library
is
actually
in
nicaragua
and
and
and
uses
co
and
victor
works
in
colorado's,
fort
collins
in
colorado
and
his
library
is
a
sister
library
of
the
nicaraguan
library
and
they
have
donated
koha
and
victor
yay
to
our
to.
F
It's
okay:
I
have
never
heard
of
a
library
having
a
sister
library
and
giving
them
a
a
system.
I
have
never
heard
of
that
before,
but
this
is
I've
I
retired
in
2015,
from
another
library
and
kind
of
came
in
and
and
trying
to
clean
up
all
sorts
of
things,
and
but
the
staff
does
very
basic
cataloging.
F
They
they
generally
put
in
the
author,
the
title
and
and
the
isbn,
and
that's
about
it
and
then
I
come
in
and
try
to
clean
it
up
and
add
more
things.
And
I
I
what
this,
what
came
from?
What
started
this
whole
thing
with
the
non-public
note
is
that
we
tried
to
do
an
inventory
and
figure
out
where
to
put
the
inventory
date
and
the
non-public
notes
seem
to
be
a
good
place
to
put
the
inventory
date.
If.
I
F
F
A
date
I
am
not
using
the
inventory
tool,
mainly
because
there's
no
most
of
ninety
percent.
Well,
I
I
don't
know
percentage,
but
almost
all
the
the
bark,
the
the
call
number
fields
are
empty
because
they
didn't
put
that
in
at
the
beginning.
I'm
getting
the
fields
of
the
call
number
field
from
this
inventory
that
we're
using
a
spreadsheet
for
and
putting
it
in,
but
and
then
they're
all
they're.
A
lot
of
them
are
also
generified
already.
F
B
C
B
G
G
It
should
it
well
yeah.
I
think
it
is
added
to
this
particular
framework.
I
we
will.
I
want
to
take
a
look
to
see
if
there's
anything
that
could
nest
the
data
before
removing
that
duplicate
and
then
we
can
check,
but
that's
definitely
a
good
idea
when
we
first
did
the
migration
for
them.
This
was
like
nine
years
ago.
We
we
use
smart,
edit
and
you
know,
and
so
yeah,
which
is
a
great
tool
and
at
the
time
you
know
everything
went,
went
fine.
G
F
B
C
And
I
just
need
to
jump
in
and
give
my
standard
disclaimer
about
the
952k.
So
there
is
a
z3950
responder
that
quahog
can
use,
which
will
transmit
your
item.
Statuses
item,
like
availability
out
to
external
softwares
via
z3950,
and
that
transpond
or
responder
is
by
default,
using
the
k
to
do
that
and
that's
something
that
we
helped.
G
C
C
B
D
B
C
G
G
Oh
really,
okay,
that's
good
to
know
we
do
yeah
when
we
first
did
the
migration
we.
It
has
been
on
my
to-do
list,
but
we
did
extensive
customization
for
them
for
the
spanish
language
as
well
as
some
workflows
and
as
customizations
go
whenever
you
upgrade.
You
know
those
are
gonna
break,
so
I
I
need
to
map
all
that
for
them.
A
C
The
inventory
tool
is
your
best
shot
there.
Even
if
you're
I
mean
the
core
functionality
of
the
inventory
tool
is
basically
just
a
big
old
batch
check-in.
You
can
ignore
everything
else
that
it's
doing
and
reporting
on.
If
you
stick
in
a
barcode
list
or
an
item
number
list,
it's
going
to
update
the
date
last
seen
on
everything
you
plugged
into
it:
okay,
okay,.
B
G
F
K
I
do
so
we
have
a
department
outreach
to
child
care
and
they
do
a
lot
of
story,
time
bags
and
boxes
with
materials.
That
kind
of
will
get
pulled
in
and
out
and
the
contents
might
be
changing
so
coming
from
polaris.
They
had
something
called
record
sets
which,
if
anybody
has
used
something
bad
or
something
similar,
but
basically
it
was
a
a
holder.
It
was
like
having
a
virtual
cart
where
you
could
put
all
those
item
records
in
this
set
and
name
the
set
whatever
you
wanted
and
that's
how
they
manage
their
story
bags.
K
They'd
say
you
know,
frog
story,
bag
and
then
all
these
individual
items
that
were
attached
to
separate
bibs
all
over
the
place,
whatever
could
go
into
this
record
set
and
they
were
maintained.
So
we
lost
those
obviously
in
the
migration,
and
we
haven't
come
up
with
a
way
to
be
able
to
take
outreach
owned
items
and
put
them
into
something
else
so
that
they
retain
their
bibliographic
information
but
could
also
go
into
what
is
essentially,
where
you
know.
K
A
H
K
L
L
K
Problem
we've
noticed
with
lists
is
that
they
are
bibliographic,
centered
or
centric.
So
we
would
like
to
I
mean
I've.
I
don't
know
and
again
I
haven't.
We
have
been
just
dealing
with
the
migration
and
issues
from
the
migration,
so
I
haven't
got
into
bugzilla.
This
has
been
fun,
a
fun
experience,
working
like
going
there
through
this
conference,
so
I'm
not
sure.
What's
out
there
already,
what
were
we
talking
about.
N
A
J
C
K
C
The
course
resource
module
might
be
a
way
to
do
this,
because
you
could
make
a
course
which
would
be
your
bag.
And
then
you
could
temporarily
slot
your
items
into
that
course,
which
would
group
them
together
within
little
sub
sections,
and
then
it's
easy
to
remove
and
add
things
to
courses
which
you
could
rebrand
as
bags.
D
Here's
a
strange
idea:
what
immediately
thinks
you
think
of
is
my
organization
used
to
have
17
magazines
and
they
merged
them
all
into
one
and
then
split
them
off
again,
and
so
I've
got
these
other
magazines
of
subsidiary
items
under
the
magazine.
Now,
that's
not
something
I'd
have
to
change
ever
and
I
don't
know
how
hard
it
would
be
to
make
those
changes.
But
maybe
that
is
a
an
approach
you
create
biblios
for
the
individual
items,
but
no
items
for
for
them.
Only
an
item
for
the
the
bag.
K
Here
this
is
kind
of
interesting.
They
have
a
lot
of
unique
things
about
them,
including
the
fact
that
they
they
don't
shelve
to
the
same
scheme
as
the
rest
of
us.
So
I'm
curious.
Has
anyone
set
up
a
department
like
this
that
has
their
own
collection,
where
they
kind
of
do
their
own
thing
or
a
brand
or
some
other
kind
of
relationship?
Just
as
a
separate
library
like
maybe
as
a
separate
library,
is
that.
G
P
C
D
D
If
you
need
to
have
control
and
when
you
check
back
in
you've,
got
to
check,
that's
got
the
right,
17
items,
you
kind
of
need
to
go
to
the
long
long
solution.
If
you
just
assume
that
the
the
people
running,
those
programs
will
maintain
the
bags
and
make
the
changes
on
their
own
and
not
even
tell
you
about
them.
Your
life
gets
simple.
A
A
A
K
A
K
L
K
F
K
H
L
L
You
can
stack
them
together,
and
so
that
would
be
one
way
of
that
would
be
a
solution.
Would
love
that
idea
that
way
that
way?
You're,
not!
You
know
each
time
that
the
bag
gets
reconfigured.
You
would
just
need
to
create
the
barcode
in
such
a
way
that
it
could
be.
You
could
use
it
with
the
batch
checkout
and
you
would
need
to
set
up
batch
checkout.
L
L
L
M
B
J
J
We
have
one
barcode
that
goes
on
the
front
of
the
backpack
and
they
can
just
put
it
right
on
the
self
check
and
check
it
out
and
it
checks
out
the
backpack
like
it's
one
item
and
the
bib
record
is
one
bib,
and
then
you
list
everything.
That's
in
the
backpack.
If
it
changes
you
just
go
into
the
record
or
the
item
record
and
you
change.
What's
in
each
story,
time
kit
we
also
have
steam
kits,
which
are
hands-on
lots
of
pieces.
J
They
do
have
to
count
them
when
they
come
back,
but
it
works
exactly
the
same.
It's
each
thing
is
a
different
item
and
in
it
it
has
all
the
lists,
including
how
much
each
item
costs.
So
if
they
want
to
know
how
much
to
replace
one
thing,
it'll
tell
them
right
on
the
the
bib
record,
as
well
as
in
the
story,
time
kit.
J
B
F
L
L
E
C
L
A
L
Yeah,
that's
why
I
think
I
would
want
to
use
market,
because
you
can't
use
the
mark
modification
tool,
that's
built
into
quahog,
to
modify
the
indicators.
It
will
only
modify
the
subfield.
The
mark
modification
tool
doesn't
affect
the
indicators.
So
if
I
was
doing
that,
I
would
want
to
use
regex
and
mark
at
it
and
not
only
make
sure
that
the
a
or
comma,
a
or
comma,
the
or
comma
and
got
moved
to
the
correct
place
and
that
the
the
end
of
the
comma
was
removed.
L
C
A
A
B
A
L
Yeah,
that's
that's
one
of
the
problems
that
I
see
consistently
is
that
the
indicators
will
say
ignore
the
first
four
characters.
If,
if
it's
starting,
if
the
article
is
the
because
it's
ignoring
t
h
e
in
the
space
but
then
coha
in
lists,
there's
about
a
half
a
dozen
places
where
it's
not
sorting
based
on,
because
it's
not
sorting
from
the
mark,
it's
sorting
from
the
biblios
table
and
the
biblio's
table
doesn't
know
everything
that
mark
knows
so.
L
L
That
would
have
to
be
with
special
guest
stars
because
christopher
and
I
don't
know
anything
about
installing
elasticsearch
because
we
are
both-
we
are
both
from
supported
libraries
and
when
we
want
to
install
elasticsearch,
we
just
have
to
call
bywater
and
say:
hey
man
turn
on
elasticsearch
and
there's
nothing.
There's
no
learning
curve
on
our
part.
For
doing
that.