Koha-US SIG - Cataloging Special Interest Group, 27 Apr 2023

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00:33:26 Jason - SEKLS: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29793
00:36:32 Jason - SEKLS: commands for rebuilding indexes: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-zebramanual documentation on indexing crons: https://koha-community.org/manual/22.11/en/html/cron_jobs.html#rebuild-index
00:39:24 Heather Hernandez (she/her): https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Elasticsearch/Implementation
00:39:58 Fred King: http://kohageek.blogspot.com/2021/10/install-elasticsearch-for-koha.html

A

Hello, everyone Welcome to our special later in the day. Second kohu us cataloging special interest group meeting and, uh if I recall correctly, Aida had a 500 error. Saving records imported via z3950.

B

Close um z3950 records which are imported, um Turned, Up, When, I search for them. However, the one record I entered manually does not appear when I search for it, but when I enter its biblio number, it does and um it's it must be because I missed something I didn't enter um everything into all the fields. I was supposed to I think that might be the case because the other records imported without any errors. So it must be something on my part.

C

Yeah I got your message with the attached records uh by the time. I was finished, with uh Ico rounds and doing a search for IC, Etc um I figured you'd, probably gone home, so I I will take a look but um I haven't. Yet it's that that's strange also getting the 080 to displays strange I.

B

Think I'm gonna have.

C

To look at the temp OPEC template.

B

B

I'm sure that all of the setup and import is going to take me a few months, especially since our it team uh has not yet exported all the records from the in-house system that we use they have promised. They would do that um sometime in May, probably um so, I'll have about 9 000 records to import into koha and I'd like to solve all of these issues before I actually get any data into it. Yeah um I just want to explain uh very quickly what's happening.

B

Currently, I have two core installations: there's one on my work server and one on my old laptop. Both of them are marked. 21. I tried um using a unimark installation, but it kept fighting me for some reason.

B

um I could not get a proper Mark framework to work. There I only had default one and when I tried to create another one for books and workbooks um I didn't know enough about Mark to know which fields and subfields and tags I could remove so that ended up in disaster, and now I only have the mark 21 flavor installations.

A

One thing that I tend to do with my Frameworks is I, tend to never remove a field. I'll simply hide it or have it not display, but I leave it there. In the framework.

B

The thing about that was when I copied the default framework and made a new one. It had all the feels that the default one had, but when I tried adding records, there were many fields that were required, but didn't apply to a book so I had, for example, cartographic data I had musical sheets and, if I let those blank it wouldn't. Let me save anything.

A

Yeah there's in the in the Frameworks um there's uh you probably you might have already found, there's a check box to make the field required or not required, and then there's check boxes for having it display in the OPEC and the staff, client and.

C

A

C

That's I think that's the editor page that we all have spent so much time working on lovingly I'm.

D

Not sure what the other team.

B

B

Both of them are test installations, they were mostly blank. I thought I might as well. Do this and see what happens if it's going to be a mistake or not so now, I know I shouldn't touch it and this installation that I have Works, mostly okay, with one difference between the two, the work server installation when I go to the koha about page it ends with a 500 error.

B

The one on this laptop does not. It gives me an overview of. um Let me just check exactly what it has. It tells me. um Okay basically appears, and it is not on my work server.

C

Is that the only I'm trying to adjust the light? Is that the only time you've found there was a 500 error or if you run across other times,.

B

Much more, please.

C

Yes, if you only get one error, one page with whatever that's probably the page, you uh can do without most.

A

I was also thinking a bit about the problem with your manually manually and then, and it not being retrievable and that might have to do with indexing scripts running.

B

Oh yes, um I think uh Fred also mentioned something about that um elasticsearch when, when I switched to elasticsearch and when I try searching for something in the catalog um I get a message saying that the search couldn't be completed when I go back to zebra um the records that I have on the work. Server um show up.

C

And I think you're also getting funny messages when you run curl and look for the status.

B

C

And in my case, I think it just sort of resolved itself after a while, it doesn't look like it's going to do that, for you.

A

I would suggest a lot of these problems. Problem taken to the system administration group, I I think they they're pretty much Beyond us.

B

And see what they have to say about it, yes and.

E

I'll find a bug on the 500 error on the about page, which does seem sort of related to elasticsearch versus zebra. So.

A

E

All be tied together, I put that in the chat.

A

C

Interesting bug.

A

Yeah I'm, sorry we're not a lot of help. Aida is there. Was there anything else.

B

um Nothing that I can think of at the moment. um I will probably need to um um practice. I guess a bit when it comes to adding new records and there's a few more books that um that are locally published and that don't usually turn up in any of the z3950 searches. So I'll see whether I will come up against the same problem and if I do um I'll ask more questions.

A

Yeah and please reach out and feel free to uh maybe share this record. That's not retrievable with some of us in the group. Certainly at least me or or send it to our our cataloging group, and we could do things like I could put the record in my catalog and see if it has the same problems.

A

C

I'm gonna try that, with you know, one of my catalogs.

B

I would be grateful when it comes to sending you files um I, don't know if it's possible to do that to send anything to the koha mailing list. So how would I go about sending something to you.

A

You can send it to me directly. I'll put my email address in the chat.

C

Or you could send it to me. Thank.

B

C

We can send attachments to the list right, I.

A

Think we can but I haven't tried it recently.

C

A

C

Know I always try it yeah, medlive, can't or won't, which makes it kind of awkward. Sometimes whoops forgot.

B

Okay, I've copied your mail, so um I'll send it to you and maybe between you me and Fred, will find out what the issue is.

B

Definitely that's also very useful because a lot of the times I get um I. I read instructions online. That say you need to rebuild your index and I. Don't know the commands to do that since I've only started working with Linux um at the beginning of this year and then I have to search how do I rebuild an index.

B

So this is useful. Thank you. Yeah.

A

Thank you for putting that in the chat Jason, the commands for rebuilding indexes and manual.

C

A

On indexing, crons.

C

Oh yeah uh I need to save that too.

C

D

See I know how to rebuild.

C

Zebra and elasticsearch, but the others.

C

And then this uh sort of cataloging elasticsearch to work, uh you need to um reset the indexes or there's a reset everything on the elasticsearch configuration page um and make a change something about suppress and there's going to be a new index call or field called suppress um Jason. That was the one you found.

E

C

Okay, anyway, yeah.

C

Took uh well took you seconds to find I hadn't stumbled across it, yet I might have and then five minutes to do.

E

13 bugs away as an art form yes,.

A

You were implementing elastic in your your non-authors catalog if I remember correctly, Fred.

C

um Not yet I think just the author's catalog.

C

C

I I used to have a memory before the pestilence, but not now.

A

We we're supported by buy water. So when we implemented elastic, we were supported, but there is this implementing elastic page on the wiki. It has very helpful information, I think.

C

And let me see if I can find.

C

C

That's the one I used to set up elasticsearch and he said in 2021 that the highest number that elastics or color what support was elasticsearch, 6.8 and I'm, not sure if that's still the case, but there is Laura and I and I were talking about this earlier on.

C

Elasticsearch has changed the terms of its license and it's a real mess.

C

So I don't know. What's going to happen,.

A

Yeah well does anybody else? Have anything they'd like to bring to the group.

C

I've had lots of problems lately, but nothing's really cataloging related.

A

I've got 99 problems, but cataloging you one.

A

Well, I guess perhaps we're going to have a very short meeting.

A

I will go ahead and stop the recording. Thank you. Everyone for joining.