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From YouTube: Consortia Special Interest Group - 3/24/2022
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00:11:18 George Williams: https://koha-community.org/documentation/
00:25:02 Bob Bennhoff: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30222
00:26:14 George Williams: http://koha-us.org/bugs/
01:00:05 Bob Bennhoff: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29887
01:00:24 Bob Bennhoff: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29924
01:00:38 Bob Bennhoff: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29926
01:00:55 Bob Bennhoff: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29925
A
All
right
welcome
to
the
consortia
special
interest
group.
So
typically
we
have
a
pretty
loose
agenda
with
these
things.
Just
bring
the
squad
discussion
topics
bugs
ask
questions
that
type
of
thing.
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
there's
a
couple
new
faces
here.
So
let's
do
some
introductions
I'll
start
off.
My
name
is
bob
benhoff.
I
am
the
aspen
cat
services
manager
here
in
colorado,
supporting
right
now,
132
libraries.
C
How
about
you
join
with
the
coeur
d'alene
public
library?
We
have
about
28
29
libraries
in
our
system.
B
D
I'm
lauren
denney
with
teamwork,
libraries
consortium
and
we
have
23
libraries
we're
an
international
consortium.
E
F
I'm
jana
prak
and
I
am
with
the
metro,
share
in
the
dallas
fort
worth
area
and
we
have
seven,
which
seems
to
be
the
lowest
number,
but
we're
strong.
G
I'm
noah
brubaker,
I'm
with
palney
the
private
academic
library
network
of
indiana
and
we
have
23
academic
libraries.
George
thanks
for
your
map,
that's
helpful
to
see
all
the
different
acronyms
up
there,
because
I've
seen
many
of
those
in
the
past
several
meetings.
I've
been
at
so
it's
nice
to
see
kind
of
visually
where
everyone
is.
B
G
I
had
I
was
just
at
a
conference
earlier
this
week
and
I
was
talking
to
them,
so
I
just
thought.
Maybe
I'd
know
that
a
little
colorado
connection
there
yeah.
A
We're
actually
working
on
integrating
to
prospector,
which
is
the
statewide
inter
interlibrary
loan
system
and
that
uses
inreach,
which
is
a
triple
I
thing
so
products
so
there's
actually
a
plug-in
iol
module
in
coho,
that's
available.
That
is
configured
to
work
with
that,
and
so
we've
been
going
through
and
doing
testing.
A
We
do
have
some
academics,
but
there
are
small
community
colleges,
so
this
will
be
really
helpful
to
do
that,
so
I've
been
working
with
rose
pretty
closely
on
that
we
have
a
weekly
meeting.
So
I
talked
to
her
a
lot.
Okay.
G
A
Oh
yeah,
it's
yeah
it's
collectively
right
now
we
have
about
1.6
million
between
all
our
libraries
and
that's
going
to
open
it
up
to
millions
more
so
our
average
library,
just
to
give
you
a
sense,
is
about
15
000
items,
so
pretty
small,
so
in
really
rural
parts
of
the
state
so
giving
them
access
to
all.
That
is
pretty
pretty
cool.
A
So
I'll
start
what
we
typically
do,
I
mean
we
can
just
go
right
to
various
topics
and
things
like
that.
I
have
some
interesting
projects,
I'm
working
on
that
are
related
to
consortial
work,
but
for
the
new
members
or
new
people
to
this
meeting
I
should
say:
there's
no
particular
membership.
A
Here
there
is
quahog
us
membership,
which
you
should
consider
I'll
pitch
that,
but
just
wondering
if
you
have
any
questions
any
anything
in
particular,
you
wanted
to
discuss
with
some
of
us
that
go
to
lots
and
lots
of
these
meetings
and
think
about
social
issues.
Quite
a
bit.
G
G
In
some
of
the
other
meetings,
but
just
so
here
I'll
try
to
keep
it
brief,
but
we're
all
we
are
all
on
the
same
system
now
we're
using
oclc's
wms
currently
and
we're
kind
of
looking
to
consider
migrating
to
something
in
the
future.
We
just
don't
know
what
it
is
yet
so
right
now,
I'm
kind
of
you
know
spending
my
time
attending.
Some
of
these
co-op
meetings,
learn
more,
you
know
determine
like
is
cohort
really.
G
You
know
going
to
work
for
us,
and
you
know
that
sort
of
thing
and
we're
also
looking
at
evergreen
as
a
potential
option
and
then
folio
as
well.
So
the
hope
is
is
that
we
can
set
up
some
test.
Instances
of
these
ilses
to
you
know,
give
people
a
chance
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
what
they
think
might
work
for
them
and
we
have
in
the
sense
of
coha
up
and
running
now.
G
So
that
was
very
easy
to
do
and
we've
been,
you
know
it
took
a
lot
longer
to
get
our
folio
instance
up
and
running
as
compared
to
cohop,
but
we
still
don't.
You
know
we
haven't
started
to
look
at
okay,
you
know,
we've
just
got
the
box
set
up
going.
G
We
have
one
instance
in
there,
but
in
terms
of
even
understanding
like
what
the
consortial
options
are
for
coha
is
that
is
that
all
just
in
the
doc,
I
admit
I
haven't
dug
into
it,
but
is
all
of
that
just
in
the
documentation
or
are
there
like
things
that
you
could
provide
insights
on
in
terms
of
like
I
don't
know
things
to
consider
like?
G
Should
we
run
like
for
us
24,
you
know
individual
instances
of
cohan
try
to
connect
them
together
in
some
way,
or
is
it
more
effective
to
try
to
run
them
all
kind
of
in
one?
You
know
one
installation.
A
Good
question:
as
far
as
documentation,
the
I
mean
the
coho
manual
is,
does
have
a
lot
of
information,
but
there's
so
many
aspects
to
co-op
that
I
think
don't
get
documented
as
well,
that
the
question
the
answer
to
that
at
least
from
my
experience-
is
a
little
yes
and
no
like
there
is
a
lot
of
stuff.
But
there's
just
cohab
is
a
really
flexible
piece
of
software
and
it
changes
a
lot.
So
there's
just
a
lot
of
little
nicks
and
crannies
in
there
that
I
I
think,
are
unexplored.
G
Yes,
I
guess
is
the
short
answer
right
now.
We
have
like
a
system
and
I
think
the
equivalent
exists
in
coho,
where
in
our
wms
system
we
can
effectively
place,
holds
on
each
other's
items.
So
it's
more
like
a
circulation
than
an
ill,
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
we're
hoping
to
retain
if
possible,
is
some
way
of
doing
that.
Yeah.
A
I
think,
for
I
can
speak
for
so
at
least
for
a
few
of
us
here.
We
do
do
that
and
it's
nice
to
have
it
where
you
can
just
easily
find
an
item
where
the
patron
may
not
even
think
oh
like.
If
this
isn't
some
other
library,
they
just
see
it,
they
request
it
and
it
shows
up
and
it's
pretty
seamless,
you
don't
have
to
create
an
iol
or
anything
like
that.
If
you
were
going
to
set
them
up
on
individual
branches,
there
is
a
coha
ill
plug-in.
A
That
is
a
little
different
than
the
plug-in
that
I
was
talking
about.
That's
designed
for
inreach
and
you
it
is
very,
not
developed,
so
you
would
probably
need
to
to
make
workflows
work.
Potentially
you
might
need
to
put
some
development
into
that
because
it's
it's
it's
pretty
raw
and
I
don't
know
I.
I
think
it
would
just
make
way
more
sense
to
be
a
single
group
and
there's
are
our
pr
to
my
detriment.
A
Often
we
allow
a
lot
of
customization
and
like
circles
and
things
like
that
in
our
libraries,
so
it's
very
doable
you
can
have
people
have
wildly
different
circles
and
it
still
works.
So
you,
if
that's
a
concern,
coho,
is
flexible
in
that
way.
It
just
makes
it
more
of
an
administrative
challenge.
B
Okay,
I
would
say
I
can't
think
of
anybody
in
a
consortium
that
has
separate
catalogs
for
each
using
quahog.
I
can't
think
of
anybody.
That's
doing
it
that
way.
G
Okay,
and
do
you
have
is
the
like-
is
the
patron
database
shared
as
well
like
how's,
that.
B
Yeah,
ours
is
artist,
isn't
so
you
can
do
it
either
way.
G
Okay,
yeah
cool,
okay
and
then
do
you
just
one
I'll
ask
me
one
last
question
and
I'll:
let
other
people
speak,
but
do
you
have
are
there
limitations
on
like,
like?
Do
you
run
into
problems
in
terms
of
like
bibliographic
records
sizes
at
your
institutions,
or
is
there
not
really
a
problem
with
that?
No.
A
Well,
so
it
sounds
like
you
might,
self-host
is
what
it
sounds
like
were.
G
Trying
to
decide
what
to
do.
I
actually
was
at
this
conference.
I
also
spoke
with
donna
bacon
at
mobius
and
they
also
do
hosting
for
koha,
and
I
think
evergreen
too,
and
so
I've
been
trying
to
map
out
like
what
all
of
our
options
are.
We
don't
really
want
to.
Ultimately
we
don't
really
want
to
host.
If
we
don't
have
to
we're
not
doing
that
now
we
don't
we
kind
of
don't
want
to
get
into
that
business,
but
what
we're
trying
to
determine
is
like.
G
Is
it
cheaper
to
host
it
on
our
servers?
I
guess,
but
let
somebody
else
just
you
know,
take
care
of
everything.
So
it's
we're
just
trying
to
weigh
that
and
you
know,
what's
the
best
model
to
go
with
yeah.
A
Lauren
is
unsupported,
but
christopher
jason
george
and
I
all
use
by
water.
I
don't
know
about
you
janna.
What
do
you
are
you
hosted.
F
Yes,
we
are,
and
I
will
mention
one
thing-
that
we've
had
two
well
actually
one
evergreen
library
join
the
curve
hall
and
consortium,
and
I
I
do
not
have
any
experience
with
evergreen.
So
I
really
can't
speak
on
that,
but
I
I
think
it's
interesting
that
they
went
from
evergreen
to
quahog
and
we
have
another
one
that
is
considering
doing
that.
They're
going
to
meet
with
us
next
month.
E
E
G
And
and
he
that's
what
that's,
what
sort
of
got
me
on
that
track
was
I
didn't
know
that
was
an
option,
but
that's
what
he
said
they
were
doing.
Is
they
they
install
it
at
all
like
on
their
boxes,
but
bywater,
I
think
just
does
everything
literally
for
them.
They
just
there's
just
the
software,
it's
just
on
their
servers
and
I
believe
that.
B
I
haven't
seen
joel
sass
in
a
long
time
from
plum
creek,
but
I
believe
that's
the
way
that
they
were
doing
it
also
as
they
had
their
server,
but
bywater
was
doing
some,
but
not
all
of
the
work
for
them.
Joel
was
doing
a
lot
of
himself,
but
I
haven't
seen
joel
at
one
of
these
meetings
in
a
couple
of
years,
maybe
maybe
before
colorado.
Okay,.
G
G
So
it's
you
know
it's
for
some
in
some
institutions.
It's
great
you
know
it's
fine,
but
for
others,
it's
really
like
working
against
them
in
terms
of
even
the
pricing
compared
to
oclc.
So
it's
just
for
trying
to
figure
out
some
way
to
make
it
so
that
people
do
get
some
kind
of
a
price
break.
You
know
moving
and
you
know
making
this
whole
migration
worthwhile.
G
Unfortunately,
yeah
we
looked
at,
we
got
two
different
quotes
for
some
of
you
know
to
get
a
sense,
and
so
we
had
sent
over
ones.
That
included,
you
know
e-items
and
then
ones
that
are
just
physical,
because
a
lot
of
these
institutions
still
have
like
they
have
just
like
a
commercial
discovery
layer
that
they
intend
to
keep
and
they
can
just
handle
all
the
electronic
that
way
and
they
don't
need
it
necessarily
exactly.
A
G
F
You
haven't
had
a
chance
to
weed.
That
would
be
a
great
time
to
do
that.
We
had
a
lot
of
major
weeding
projects
going
on
before
we
joined
bywater.
A
Yeah
for
us,
we
we
really
have
to
be
supported
and
and
have
them
host
our
data
just
because
we
don't
have
a
large
staff.
So
there's
just
no
way
to
just
the
cost
of
bringing
on
somebody
just
to
administer
a
server
alone.
Would
all
of
a
sudden
put
us
in.
You
know
that
that
right,
there
would
be
is
like
what
we
more
than
what
we
paid
by
water
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
situation
we're
in
so
we
we
definitely.
We
need
that.
A
D
We
wait
for
the
big
supporters
to
migrate
all
of
their
instances
to
an
upgrade
so
that
all
of
their
people
work
out
all
the
bugs
before
we
before
we
install
an
instance
we're
late
late,
late
adopters.
I
guess.
G
So
lauren
do
you
run
into
any
issues
like
one
of
the
concerns
that
we've
had
is
just
about
like
security
of
the
servers
and
that
sort
of
thing,
because
we
you
know
like
we
have
people
that
were
able
to
set
up,
and
you
know,
get
coha
installed
and
we've
been
experimenting
with
migrating
records
into
there.
But
when
we
contemplated
like,
can
we
really
host
this
for
the
institutions?
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
about.
You
know
how
you
know
we
have
to
sort
of
become
security
experts
in
just
maintaining
a
server.
D
I
don't
someone
on
our
team.
Does
the
security
and
we
have
some
very
strict
security
and
we
even
use
the
hidden
feature
for
a
lot.
Some
of
our
libraries
use
that
not
all,
but
some
so
we've
koa
has
met
all
of
our
security
needs
and
even
like
the
whole
idea
of
hidden
some
hiding
some
collections
that
are
specific
to
users.
D
B
G
D
G
Well,
that's
what
we
feel
like
we
would
have
to
do.
You
know
like
to
actually
do
this
here
because,
like
bob,
I
think
we
don't
have
any
people
who
who
do
this.
You
know
we
have
some
who
are
able
to
do
some
development
work
for
us
like
quarter
time.
So
we've
done
like
a
few
things
like
that,
but
it's
using
oclc's
apis.
It's
not
like
maintaining
the
thing
itself
and
so
lauren.
I
think,
like
collectively,
we
kind
of
all
work
together
to
do
the
front-end.
F
G
Like
just
as
a
group,
but
we
don't
have
people,
you
know
and
there's
only
four
of
us
here
and
none
of
them,
none
of
us
are
ils
trained
or
you
know
being
able
to
maintain
servers
and
that
sort
of
things
like
we
would
have
to
like
bob
hire
someone.
I
think
if
we
really
wanted
to
do
it
and
that's
just
again,
it
makes
the
cost
way
out
for
each.
D
And
a
lot
of
our
libraries
are
smaller,
which
is
probably
why
we're
able
we're
we're
narrowing
the
we're,
probably
gonna,
have
to
go
supported
soon
as
we
grow
and
as
we
gain
larger
libraries.
I
think
we're
we're
about
to
max
out
our
ability
to
do
unsupported,
but
until
that
happens,
or
we
get
more
money.
F
We
have,
we
migrated
from
polaris
with
the
consortium
with
fort
worth
and
and
fort
worth
is
not
partnering
with
libraries.
So
we
moved
over
to
form
our
own
consortium
and
we
we
did
choose
bywater,
but
we
we
got
a
state
grant
from
the
texas
state
library.
F
G
F
Yeah,
the
grass
is
always
greener
on
the
on
somebody
else's
ils
till
you
actually
get
there.
A
G
A
Anybody
have
any
any
particular
things
they
wanted
to
discuss
today.
A
Let
me
grab
it,
this
is:
does
anybody
use
auto
renew.
A
F
A
What
because
you
still
can't
renew
just
every
single
day,
so
so
that's
that
bug
so
I'll
be.
I
have
not
commented
on
it
yet
I
will
be
doing
that
today.
A
So
no
one
of
the
ways
that
the
community
works
through
things
is
we
comment
on
bugs
and
do
things
like
that
and
try
to
get
attention
if
we
act,
if
there
are
people
that
actually
know
how
to
code
and
stuff,
they
see
that
and
they
that
helps
prioritize
where
bug
fixes
come
in
and
new
developments
and
things
like
that
in
this
case,
this
is
something
that's
not
working
correctly.
A
That
seems
like
we
just
need
to
make
a
bigger
case
that
this
is
a
huge
issue,
as
I
was
scrolling
through
the
text
of
the
bug.
A
couple
people
from
bywater
are
saying
it's
an
issue,
but
some
of
the
people
that
they're
hoping
to
do
some
work.
A
Aren't
as
motivated
yet
so
we'll
I
will
try
to
rally
people
if
they're,
using,
if
they're,
using
auto
renew
to
do
that.
E
E
Do
you
use
how
to
renew
all
of
your
branches?
Is
it.
A
Totally
on
or
do
you
have
it
we
have
we,
we
don't
have
a
single
thing
that
all
of
our
branches
do
so
there's
not
there's
not
any
through
line.
No,
we
have
a
mix
of
branches
to
do
that
and
generally
they've
they've
liked
it.
What
we
when
we
turned
it
on.
A
I
remember
jesse
zero
from
bywater
said,
like
everybody,
we've
ever
had
turn
it
on
just
never
asked
to
have
it
turned
off,
and
that's
that's
been
true
for
us
as
well
once
we
turned
it
on
it's
been
like
patrons
seem
to
like
it.
There's
been
some
changes
since
we
turned
it
on
before
it.
A
Wouldn't
let
you
renew
it
manually
if
auto
renew
was
set
but
they've
built
in
a
way
where
you
can
do
that
since
then,
and
that
wasn't
even
that
big
of
a
deal
it
just
freaked
out
some
library
staff
who
are
used
to
having
that
control
where
they
could
hit.
You
know
where
the
will
they
want
to
be
the
ones
to
make
that
renewal,
because
that's
what
they're
used
to
so,
even
even
before
that
got
fixed
where
you
now
you
can
do
that
manually.
A
It's
still
in
general,
I
think
the
patrons
were
big
fans
of
not
having
to
worry
about
it.
What.
E
A
No,
I
mean
the
way
we
have
things
set
up
is
the
circ
rules
that
are
followed
are
always
the
where
the
la
where
the
item
is
checked
out.
So
if
it's
delivered
from
another
library,
it's
following
the
circle,
so
that
way,
it's
a
page.
The
patron
experience
is
consistent.
We
had
done
it
the
other
way
for
a
while,
and
that
was
confusing
for
not
just
auto
renewal
but
different
lengths.
B
A
Yeah,
I
think
the
only
drawback
we
have
potentially
with
doing
it.
The
home
circles
is
like
some
schools
have
like
faculty,
have
like
lots
of
like
a
really
extended
checkout
period,
and
things
like
that,
so
they
would
get
that
with
borrowed
items.
So
we
just
kind
of
ask
if,
if
libraries
are,
if,
if
that
sort
of
borrowing
is
happening,
they
just
kind
of
keep
more
of
an
eye
on
it.
A
G
This
enhancement,
or
this
I
guess
bug
process-
is
very
similar
to
the
one
that
we're
involved
with
right
now,
so
there
actually
a
little
difference
there.
I
was
going
to
ask
you
just
a
quick
sort
of
adjacent
question
to
this.
When
these
communications
come
out.
Do
they
come
from
the
library
that
lent
the
item
or
from
the
patrons
home
library.
G
We've
been
advocating
to
try
to
get
it
to
come
from
the
patrons
home
library
because
in
our
case,
like
there's
a
sort
of
standard
messaging
that
they
follow,
you
know
process
to
contact
a
lot.
You
know
because
it
might
say,
contact
the
library,
you
know
whatever
type
of
thing
or
you
know,
return
this
to
this
place,
and
so
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
so
we've
had
to
sort
of
standardize
across
all
of
the
institutions
like
here's.
How
your
messages
should
look
to
reduce
confusion
for
people.
G
G
Dream
yeah
we're
getting
there.
I
mean
it's
very
hard
like
on
the
academic
side.
Everyone
has
very
rigid
processes,
but
we're
starting
to
see.
I
think,
over
time
now,
they're
a
little
more.
You
know
relaxing
on
some
of
that.
A
little
bit
like
we've
been
able
to
get
some
common
loan
periods
and
things
across
the
group,
for
example,
which
is
awesome,
so
we
can,
you
know,
have
you
know
all
the
patrons
then
know?
Okay,
if
I
request
it,
I
get
it
for
this
amount
of.
You
know
this
amount
of
days.
G
B
G
B
The
request
of
many
of
the
libraries
it
seems
like
it
wouldn't
have
been
a
bad
idea
at
that
point,
put
a
switch
in
so
that
you
could
say
they
either
come
from
one
or
the
other,
but
that
was
never
done
it
was.
It
was
that's
something
that
the
quahog
community,
you
know
when
you
do
request
a
change
to
a
feature.
It's
nice
to
be
able
to
say
you
know,
could
we
have
a
a
lot
of
times?
B
B
B
One
of
the
examples
of
that
is
in
koha.
You
can
have
three
different
options
for
how
the
circ
rules
work,
the
circ
rule
can
follow.
The
circles
can
follow
the
borrower.
B
So
the
and
a
lot
of
libraries-
I
guess
in
asia-
do
this:
where
you
get
your
card
at
library,
a
and
no
matter
where
you
go,
the
items
you
check
out,
follow
the
rules
of
library
a
and
then
there's
the
which
is
very
uncommon
in
the
united
states,
but
then
there's
the
way
that
we're
doing
it
where
the
library
gets
to
library
a
and
then
it
follows
libraries
rules
and
when
the
item
goes
to
library
b,
it
follows
library,
b's
rules
and
then
the
the
way
that
we
did
it
when
I
was
in
in
the
valley
consortium
in
idaho
is
that
the
item
gets
to
library
a
and
it
follows
the
rules
where
the
item
came
from.
B
So
in
what
I
worked
at
the
moscow
public
library
in
idaho,
you
could
have
a
patron
that
could
check
out
five
books
and
each
one
of
them
would
have
a
different
due
date,
because
the
library
I
was
at
there
were
three
week
checkouts
one
of
the
other
libraries.
It
was
two
weeks
one
of
the
other
libraries.
B
It
was
four
weeks
one
of
the
libraries
it
was
31
days,
and
so
every
item
could
be
different
all
even
though
they're
all
books,
they
could
each
have
a
different
due
date,
and
so
I
like
having
that
kind
of
flexibility
when
there's
switches,
you
can
say
that
they'll
they're
either
going
to
work
this
way
that
way,
but
a
lot
of
times
in
quahog,
there's
still
some
things
that
are
left
over
and
if
you
don't
ask
for
those
kinds
of
changes,
when
you
ask
for
a
development,
you
end
up
with
with
people
saying.
A
Yeah,
the
one
thing
I
would
recommend-
and
I
won't
go
through
all
the
my
spiel
of
the
my
nightmare
dealing
with-
holds
and
hold
transfers
yet
again
in
this
meeting,
but
having
at
least
that
agreed
upon
that,
because
we
have
some
libraries
that
don't
want
to
lend
their
dvds,
and
so
we
have
to
fairly
make
it.
So
they
can't
borrow
them
because
the
patrons
don't
won't
respect.
They
won't
know
that
the
library
is
not
lending
dvds
and
then
opt
to
not
borrow
somebody
else's
dvds.
A
So
we
have
to
enforce
that
and
that
just
has
created
a
a
very
difficult
and
untenable
way
of
well,
I
would
say,
barely
tenable.
I
guess
way
of
managing
holds
that
I
have
to
do.
The
rest
of
the
stuff
is
annoying,
but
this
actually
requires
a
lot
of
work
on
my
end
and
it
still
is
fairly
ineffective.
A
I
it
leads
to
me
running
a
report
regularly,
which
I
find
libraries
that
have
requested
items
from
a
library
that
isn't
lending
that
particular
item
or
doesn't
resource
share,
but
they've
set
their
pickup
location
for
their
patron
to
be
at
that
library,
which
obviously
will
not
work,
because
if
it's
like
some
little
school
on
the
other
side
of
the
state,
a
public
library
patron
will
never
be
able
to
go
there
and
and
pick
up
their
hold.
A
A
Yeah,
if
you
can
just
figure
out,
I
mean,
even
if
you
can
be
broad
on
some
item
types
like
that
might
be
one
way
to
do
it
there's
some
ways
around
it.
We
we're
just
too
far
down
the
line,
the
line
of
everybody
getting
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
that,
there's
no
way
to
enforce
like
telling
people
you
have
to
do
this.
It's
just
it
wasn't
set
up
that
way,
and
it's
just
never
going
to
be
that
way.
B
B
E
E
A
B
That
is
a
really
good
idea.
Yeah!
That's
that's
one
way
that
I've
seen
libraries
deal
with
it.
Is
that
there's
a
like
library,
a
book
for
an
item
type
for
all
the
books
at
library,
a
and
library
b
has
a
different.
Has
a
library
b
book
item
type,
so
each
institution,
the
the
issue
there
is
that
you
end
up
with
all
those
different
item
types,
but
then
you
could
it
gives
it
gives
you
a
lot
more
granular
control.
We
already
have
a
million.
A
Item
types
yeah:
it's
not
that
yeah
well,
we
could
call
it
like
local,
dvd
and
then
yeah.
I
think
that
I
think
that
could
be
that
could
help.
A
I
will
explore
that
when
I
get
a
chance,
but
I
think
that
might
actually
do
it,
because
if
you
have
dif,
if
you
have
the
that's
a
good
example
of
what
I'm
saying
now,
because
if
you
then
can
mark
in
the
it
doesn't
matter
whether
you're
looking
at
the
items,
library
or
the
patrons
library,
if
everybody
has
a
role
that
you
know
a
rule
in
there,
that
says
we
don't
lend
this.
Whether
or
not
they
have
the
item.
It
doesn't
matter
which
way
you
point
to.
A
That
would
prevent
it
from
going
out
and
then
I
would
not
have
to
do
some
of
the
stuff
I've
been
trying
to
manage
it
with.
So
I
may
try.
I
just.
G
We're
used
to
that
ours
are
pretty
long,
they're
pretty
long,
but
what
I
was
going
to
ask
you
is
in
our
case,
I
think
the
way
we're
doing
it
is
by
shelving
location.
Does
it?
Is
that,
like
an
option
or
not
so.
A
B
B
B
B
I've
already
forgotten
their
name
library
iq
wanted
a
list
was
doing
work
with
one
of
our
libraries
and
they
wanted
a
list
of
all
of
the
potential
circulation
rules
and
it's
like
well,
you
know:
we've
got
51
libraries
times,
43
borrower
categories
times,
60
item
types,
that's
the
number
of
potential
circulation
rules,
and
I
said,
rather
than
give
you
that
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
list
of
the
ones
that
are
actually
in
use,
yeah,
which
even
then
it
was
it
was
like
over
over
a
thousand.
A
G
G
It's
there's
just
one
policy
for
books
and
one
policy
for
media,
and
that's
that,
so
it's
really
greatly
simplified
in
that
way,
and
in
fact,
once
we
implemented
that
a
lot
of
institutions
went
back
and
started
looking
at
their
local
roles
and
were
you
know
they
were
far
more
restrictive
than
they
were
on
the
things
that
they
had
agreed
to
lend
other
places.
G
So
then
we
saw
kind
of
you
know
them
cleaning
in
a
way
cleaning
up,
I
think
and
actually
giving
the
patrons
locally
things
for
a
little
bit
longer
periods
of
time
than
they
have
before
too.
So.
Standardization,
like
you
know,
has
some
other
side
benefits.
Sometimes
you.
E
A
Where
the
hold
actually
goes
yeah,
so
this
is
aspirin
discovery
that
jason's
talking
about,
which
is
a
different
open
source
product,
but
it
is
supported
also
by
by
water.
So
there
are
criteria
and
those
can
be
changed
for
how
it
decides.
So.
A
The
first
thing
I
think
we
have
is
is
the
bib
have
a
local
copy,
that's
available
and
then
there's
like
and
then
it
kind
of
works
through
a
process
for
how
it
it
picks,
which
one
I
think
one
of
the
criteria
is
like,
which
item
has
the
most
available
items
too,
so
that
there's
some
stuff
like
that,
but
I
do
remember
long
ago
going
over
there
and
suggesting
some
changes
for
how
our
criteria
function.
So
I
think
that
can
be
done
library
to
library,
depending
on
what
you
want.
A
E
So
what
the
ferberization.
E
E
That
would
be
good.
The
the
sort
of
the
development
that
I've
been
kicking
around
is
maybe
we
could
bridge
hold
on
horizontally,
linked
records,
so
cool
already
lets.
E
You
link
two
records
together
in
the
775,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
like
create
a
manual
bridge
on
certain
records
for
holds
just
to
facilitate
better
sharing,
because
we
we
come
into
situations
where,
like
we'll,
get
two
different
brand
new
large
print
books,
but
once
thorndike
and
one
scale
or
something
like
that
and
the
holds
have
to
go
on
one
or
the
other,
and
I
wish
that
either
record
could
fill
all
the
holes.
E
B
That
yeah,
I
guess
my
question
with
aspen
would
be
you
know
if
you
have
something
that's
been
around
for
a
long
time
like
pride
and
prejudice
and
there's
so
there's
like
you
know,
possibly
20
different
editions.
What
if
the
patron
wants
a
specific
edition?
Is
there.
A
It
operates
under
the
assumption.
You
don't
want
to
do
that,
but
there's
a
there's
a
show
additions,
button,
okay
and
you
just
press
that
and
it'll
list
everything
I
think
in
a
presentation.
I've
done
a
few
times.
We
have
like
a
hundred
different
records
for
tom
sawyer,
and
so,
if
you
do
the
search
on
quahog,
it's
just
like
a
morass
of
yeah
different
various
different
editions
that
all
these
libraries
have
collected
throughout
the
years
and
then
it
just
shows
as
one
thing
with
multiple
formats.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
we're
we're
talking
about
not
in
2022
but
possibly
in
2023,
adding
asp,
yeah
it's
I.
I
really.
A
Can't
recommend
it
enough:
it's
it's
a
really
good
product
if
you
can
pay
for
the
it
just
works
so
much
better
than
the
opac
and
the
development
cycle
for
that
is
much
faster
than
on
cohab,
because
partially
because
there's
less
of
a
community.
A
So
some
of
the
things
that
you
know
are
not
necessarily
bad
that
slow
things
up,
because
there's
like
a
lot
of
qa
and
stuff,
like
that,
it's
more
driven
by
one
person
developing
it,
even
though
it
is
open
source
and
that's
changing
a
little
bit,
because
there's
some
stuff
happening
in
europe,
ptfs
in
europe
is
getting
involved.
A
B
And
I
think
in
those
month-to-month
releases
I
think
I
read
a
quote
david
nind
at
a
conference
said
he.
The
thing
he
loved
about
koha
is
it's
like.
The
community
is
like
total
anarchy
with
an
incredibly
good
qa
process,
but
I
think
aspen
doesn't
have
that
because
the
community
isn't
as
big.
The
anarchy
is
just
like
a
couple
of
people.
A
Yeah,
I
mean
there's
really
so
this
is
a
view
find
base
product,
but
it's
so
different
than
viewfind.
I
wouldn't
even
consider,
even
though
it's
based
on
that
the
code's
so
different.
Now
it
you
wouldn't
even
confuse
the
two
and
then
there's
another
version
out
there
called
pica
that
is
in
colorado
and
was
when
this
mark
mark
noble,
was
working
on
with
them
on
colorado
and
developed
it
there.
But
since
he
left
there,
the
development
has,
I
would
is
stalled
out
and
most
of
their
libraries
are
sierra
library.
G
I'm
related
is
it's
okay
again,
I
don't
I'm
trying
not
to
ask
too
many
questions,
but
I
really
want
to
ask
a
lot
of
them
related
to
that,
maybe
a
little
bit
when
you
all
are
and
then
I
think,
jason's
question
too
about
the
ferberization,
because
we
we
had
like
early
on
when
we
were
I'm
using
worldcat
discovery
for
us.
We
had
issues
with
the
verbalization.
You
know
it
was
doing
crazy.
G
Things
like
you
know,
particularly
with
like
sets
of
dvds,
like
you
know,
star
wars,
series
or
something
would
all
be
grouped
together
in
one
thing,
and
then
you
you
have
to
do
that.
You
know,
show
editions
and
formats
to
be
able
to
actually
see
all
of
your
other
choices
in
there.
G
If
you
wanted
something,
so
we
you
know
they've,
you
know
worked
on
that
over
time
and
that's
better
now,
but
when,
when
you
all
are
getting
like
catalog
records
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
like
what
jason's
saying
about
linking
records
together
and
all
that
like
do
you
or
even
if
it's
the
same
item
like
do
you
do,
do
you
all
have
like
specific
sources
you're
getting
those
from
or
are
there
like,
standards
that
you
have
set
for
people
to
you
know,
follow
this
procedure
when
you're
selecting
a
cataloging
record
just
to
try
to
get
more
consistency.
B
Yeah,
that's
always
a
goal.
I
think
it
really
varies
from
consortium
to
consortia
when
I
at
the
consortium
I
worked
at
in
idaho
when
I
worked
for
laketown
county
library,
they're
part
of
the
valnec
consortium-
and
there
was
a
very
good
cataloging
group
that
met
monthly.
They
had
standards,
they
had
a
guidebook
and
if
you
didn't
follow
the
standards,
it
didn't
matter,
what
size
library
you
were,
they
were
on
top
of
you
saying
you're
not
doing
this
right,
and
so
the
catalog
was
very
consistent
here,
it's
kind
of
a
free-for-all.
B
The
catalog,
our
catalog
is
a
mess.
Okay
and
the
records
are
all
over
the
place.
So
it
really
depends
on
what
kind
of
it's
something
that
I
would
say.
You
want
to
try
and
take
control
of
early
on.
G
F
G
A
question
about
what
record
you're
going
to
select,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
them
have
agreed
like
well,
you
know
we
want
to
go
with
the
one.
That's
you
know
have
the
most
holdings
like
you
were
saying
I
think
earlier,
because
we
know
we
can
ill
that
and
if
everyone
is
choosing
the
same
thing
it
you
know
just
works
better
for
us,
but
if
we
move
off
of
wms
we're
thinking
about
rethinking
like
do,
libraries
want
to
maintain
their
oclc
cataloging
subscriptions.
G
B
That's
the
issue
we
have
is:
we
have
a
variety
of
sources
and
we
have
a
variety
of
skill
levels
on
some
of
our
libraries.
Our
biggest
library
is
in.
It
is
in
leavenworth,
kansas
town
of
about
you
know:
40
000
people
they've
got
about
close
to
100
000
items,
but
then
our
smallest
library
is
like
a
a
storefront
library.
That's
like
600
square
feet.
B
If
even
and
they've
got
one
employee,
they're
open
like
12
hours
a
week
and
so
the
same
person
that
does
the
cataloging
is
also
the
janitor
and
cleans
the
toilets,
and
so
she
does
not
have
the
time
to
do
as
much
cataloging
and
one
and
she
doesn't
catalog
a
lot
because
she
they
don't
have
enough
money
to
buy
books.
Their
budget
is
like
less
than
25
000
a
year
to
run
the
library,
so
it
really
is
all
over
the
place.
Somebody
I
was
talking
to
they
subscribed
to
sky
river.
B
I
don't
remember
who
that
we
we
do
yeah,
it
might
have
been
you
yeah.
So.
A
That's
that's
our
big,
so
what
we
have
is
we
because
you
could
use
sky,
river's,
client
and
then
upload
items
and
all
that,
but
that
is
more
complicated
than
we
want
to
make
things.
So
we
just
use
it
through
z3950
and
we
do
have
other
targets
there
that
are
free
and
available.
A
But
we
have
it
defaulted
where
it
yeah.
You
look
at
sky
river
first,
so
we
train
on
that
because
usually
there's
gonna
be
a
good
record
from
that
source,
and
so
that's
what
we
train
on
our
biggest
issue
with
having
bad
records
is
when
we
migrate
new
libraries
in
and
we
do
that
on
a
very
regular
basis
and
so
isolated
libraries
that
haven't
ever
talked
to
somebody
about
how
to
catalog
and
don't
have
sources
like
sky
river.
A
You
get
pretty
bad
results
out
of
that,
and
so
that
that's
our
biggest
problem,
so
we're
always
trying
to
train
people
to
not
make
mistakes
and
they
still
do
and
we
have
turnover
and
the
people
coming
in,
don't
have
library
or
cataloging
experience
that
are
then
thrust
into
that
job.
So
we
try
to
train
that.
But
that's
not
our
biggest
issue.
A
Our
biggest
issue
is
bringing
in
new
records
where
somebody
who
catalogued
something
eight
years
ago
didn't
know
what
they
were
doing
and
misspelled
the
title
and
didn't
put
in
any
other
information
in
it,
so
that
that's
kind
of
our
big
face
face
thing.
So
we
we
just
clean
up
records
as
much
as
we
can
and
it's
just
an
ongoing
fight,
but
one
that
we
are
never
going
to
win.
As
long
as
we
keep
on
adding
libraries.
E
Yeah
and
I'll
just
add
like
for
our
workflow,
we
do
have
sort
of
what
georgia
was
talking
about
the
column,
a
not
the
column
b.
So
we
have
a
cataloging
team
here
that
watches
everything
and
they'll
they'll
follow
up
if
there's
problems,
but
we're
primarily
having
our
libraries
use
our
our
list
of
z
targets
that
we've
kind
of
curated
and
we've
gone
through
and
like
if
there's
on
order
records
in
the
target
that
one
gets
kicked
out.
E
If
there's
so,
we
try
to
find
the
quality
ones
and
default
those
on,
and
then
we
have
some
backup
ones
that
are
defaulted
off
and
for
the
most
part
we
we
do.
Okay
and
then
we
here
at
the
system
office
have
an
oclc
subscription.
So
we
try
to.
I
don't
want
to
say
dumb
down,
but
we
try
to
simplify
the
process
as
much
as
possible
so
like
if
there's
a
record
in
the
catalog
already
they
add
their
item
to
that
record.
If
there's
not,
then
they
retarget
it.
E
If
it's
not
in
the
z
target,
they
contact
us
and
we'll
pull
one
out
of
oclc
for
them,
so
we're
a
little
less
wild.
Less
than
george's,
but
we
do
still
have
to
kind
of
monitor
and
do
cleanup
and
that
sort
of
thing.
B
A
A
We
are
migrating
on
a
separate
instance
of
coho
for
security
reasons,
23
prison
libraries,
and
so
that's
a
real,
interesting
project,
because
I
can
tell
you
from
this
experience.
There
is
not
an
ils
that
exists.
That's
designed
for
the
unique
environment
that
prison
libraries
have
so
we're
having
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things
with
that
to
make
that
workable.
A
So
there's
a
couple
of
developments
that
we
have
that
I
don't
know
when
it'll
actually
get
in
the
code,
but
one
of
the
things
that
is
definitely
related
to
the
consortia
is
right.
Now
anybody
can
change
the
library
they're
at
using
the
set
library
and
we're
gonna
have
that,
so
there
will
be
a
system
preference
where
you
can
make
that
so
only
super
librarians
can
have
that
which
I
think
will
be
helpful.
I
don't
know
how
often
that
comes
up
in
your
libraries
but
in
the
prison
libraries.
A
It's
just
a
huge
security
issue,
because
you
have
the
the
clerks
that
are
checking
out.
Things
are
also
often
are
offenders
and
being
able
to
switch
a
library
and
then
look
at
another
patron
database
is
a
huge
security
issue,
but
I'm
hoping
that
will
help
other
libraries
to
just
reduce
things,
because
we've
always
had
things
like.
Why
did
this
check
out
at
at
another
branch?
I
was
like
well,
somebody
must
have
changed
the
library.
B
Did
you
have
some
george,
I
was
thinking
of
saying,
it'd
be
good
to
have
it
as
a
as
a
permission.
Yeah,
that's
what
I
wanted.
Well,
we
might
work
towards
that.
B
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
permission
and
if
have
you
already
started
a
development
like
with
violence.
Oh.
A
It's
yeah
it's
done,
but
what
we
did
discuss
that
as
a
permission
late
in
the
game,
but
it
wasn't
what
we
initially
talked
about,
so
we
might
do
some
more,
but
they
said
something
about
having
trouble
conceiving
of
his
permission.
I
was
like
okay.
Well,
it
makes
sense
as
a
pro
I
don't
know
what
we
just
need
to
talk
more.
B
A
B
The
situation
we
have
is
we
have
some
libraries
that
are
like.
If
you
look
at
my
map,
there's
some
libraries
up
there
in
the
top
corner
that
they're
a
district
and
so
they've
got
five
branches,
so
they
have
to
be
able
to
switch
from
library
to
library
to
library,
and
so
that
would
be
important
to
have
for
them
to
have
it
as
a
permission.
A
What
we
realized
is
that
we
have
some
staff
that
switch
between
facilities,
yeah,
there's
a
little-
and
I
was
there
yesterday
so
there's
this
campus
of
state
prisons
in
fremont,
county
colorado,
where
there's
like
eight
different
state
prisons
there,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
people
work
at
multiple
facilities
and
so
having
them
be
able
to
switch,
would
be
fantastic
that
we,
if
we
could
set
it
up
on
a
permission.
We
just
didn't
think
that,
through
when
we
wrote
it
and
monday
is
when
the
first
group
of
these
libraries
are
going
live.
A
So
we
have
to
have
something,
but
I
will
work
on
that
to
try
and
get
them
to
make
it
permission
based,
because
I
do
think
that
would
be
preferable.
A
And
then
our
other
development
for
this
go-around
is
to
set
where
you
can
set
a
password
expiration
and
even
have
that
happen
automatically,
and
it
forces
you
to
redo
your
password
just
to
get
a
good
security.
B
B
Yeah
cool,
I
I
that
was
one
I
was
thinking
about
funding
now
that
we've
got
the
ability
to
change
password
complexity
and
length
on
a
borrower
category
by
borrower
category
basis
that
was
going
to
be
my
next
one
was
going
to
be
make
the
passwords
expire
on
a
borrower
category
by
borrow
a
category
basis.
So
let
me
get
these
in
here.
A
A
I
think
I
think
that's
yeah,
I
think
that's
all
of
them
so
yeah
you
can
take
a
look
at
those
and
we've
been
so
busy
working
on
trainings
and
such
that
we
have
not
we're
just
hoping
everything
works
as
it's
supposed
to
come
monday.
A
There's
some
last
minute
coding
being
done
with
some
of
these,
because
right
now,
they're
supposed
to
be
what
happens
is
if
you
put
in
your
password
and
it's
expired.
It
will
tell
you
that
it's
expired
and
give
you
a
link
to
the
opac.
In
our
case
we're
going
to
use
aspen
discovery
for
that,
and
then
you
go
out
there
and
then
you
reset
it
that
way.
But
right
now
it
just
says
contact
your
administrator,
because
that
one,
because
there's
still
some
last
minute
coding
being
worked
on.
B
The
one
other
one
I
want
to
add
with
password
management
is
on
a
borrower
category
by
borrower
category
basis
be
able
to
say
you
can't
use
any
password
you've
used
in
the
previous
xx
number
of
days.
That's
another
one.
I
want.
A
Yeah,
I
think
we'd
probably
be.
I
think
this
prison
group
might
be
interested
in
that.
Yes,
part
of
this.
A
Yeah,
that's
you
know
it's
a
big
deal
to
have
secure
data
in
that
environment.
We've
had
to
do
a
lot
of
stuff
like
strip
out
anything
that
links
out
to
anything
or
could
are
on
our
discovery
layer.
There's
a
lot
of
like
cool
features
where
you
can
email
somebody
a
list
or
do
something
like
that,
and
that
is
a
big
no-no,
so
yeah
I
bet
so.
We've
had
to
like
hide
a
lot.
A
So
if
we
had
to
hide
shelter
like
which
library
owns
what
books,
because
we
heard
of
a
situation
where
somebody
had
I've
been
talking
to
somebody
on
the
outside
and
they
had
a
drug
smuggling
operation
where
they
were
going
to
put
it
in
it,
they
were
going
to
go
to
the
public
library
put
the
drugs
in
the
book.
They
would
request
that
the
iol
that
specific
copy
to
get
it
in
so
we've
it's
been
interesting.
A
I
think
that's
points
for
creativity
except
they
got
caught
because
they
did
it
on
a
recorded
phone
call
and
they
talked
openly
about
it.
So
they
had
this
very
creative
solution
to
get
around
that,
but
they
didn't
realize
that
if
you
just
talk
to,
if
you
just
call
somebody
up
on
the
phone
and
the
call
that
says
this
call
may
be
recorded,
it
is
actually
it's
gonna
be
recorded.
Yeah,
yeah,
yeah,.
B
A
I
think
we're
at
our
time
now,
so
we
do
these
every
other
month.
I'm
looking
at
the
schedule
it
should
be
in
may
may
26th
is
the
next
one
so
hope
to
have
another
good
discussion.
Then.
So,
thanks
to
everybody
for.
E
Attending
bob
on
the
google
calendar,
it
says
in
your
announcements
at
11.,
so
didn't
is.
A
I've
asked
to
get
that
changed
and
it
just
hasn't
happened.
So
I
assume
that
the
next
meeting
will
I'll
get
that
response,
because
in
in
the
calendar
it
says
it
in
two
spots
right.
It
says,
like
the
actual
calendar,
says
one
time
and
then
it
says
below
it
lists
times
that
are
different,
so
that
does
need
to
get
fixed.