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From YouTube: Consortia Special Interest Group - 3/23/2023
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00:21:18 Jason - SEKLS: Sort to light: https://bywatersolutions.com/news/bywater-solutions-develops-sort-to-light-connectivity-for-kohaLimit editing: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20256Item templates: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/monday-minutes-item-templates
00:26:23 Bob Bennhoff: https://devs.bywatersolutions.com/
00:30:43 Jason - SEKLS: https://koha-us.org/developments/
A
Foreign
okay,
for
those
of
you
that
are
watching
the
recording,
we
did
some
intros
and
just
had
a
little
bit
of
discussion
on
cataloging
that
we
continue
can
continue
if
we
need
to,
but
otherwise
this
is
the
Consortium
special
interest
group.
It
is
exciting
to
see
a
lot
of
new
faces.
We
usually
have
a
few
more
familiar
faces,
but
they've
been
replaced
with
some
new
people.
I
would
love
to
well
Elizabeth
I,
don't
think
you
mentioned
where
you're
from.
Do
you
mind
introducing
yourself.
A
Cool,
if
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
or
not
that's
fine
too
so
I
guess
I
mean
we
usually
keep
these
meetings
pretty
open,
and
since
we
have
a
library
that
is
migrating
soon
and
one
that's
just
migrated
I'm
just
curious
what
other
issues
you're
facing
Jason's
been
on
community
cohof
forever?
We
migrated
to
community
koha
from
a
a
forked
version
so
similar,
but
also
not
as
developed,
and
that
was
in
February
2019.
A
So
but
yeah
we,
our
Consortium
Jason's,
is
a
little
bit
more.
Like
probably
yours.
Our
Consortium
is
weird
because
we
have
all
sorts
of
different
types
of
libraries
and
we're
massive,
not
in
record
numbers
but
just
in
branches,
and
so
it's
usually
our
job
to
try
to
break
koha
as
as
best
as
we
possibly
can
by
putting
it
to
its
limits.
So
what
questions
do
you
have?
What
challenges
are
you
facing.
C
I
guess
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
is
like
so
many
things,
so
many
different
things
happening
at
once
and
you're
trying
to
like
adjust
to
you
know
the
differences
and
different
SQL.
So
the
same
functions
that
you
used
to
be
using
are
not
working
anymore,
so
you
have
to
look
at
different
documentation
and
just
kind
of
like
being
able
to
manage
all
the
tickets
and
and
stay
sane.
At
the
same
time,.
A
Yeah
I
I
hear
you
when
we
migrated
again,
we
migrated
from
something
very
similar.
It
was
basically
an
earlier
version
of
Coho
with
just
a
few
different
features,
so
you
would
think
you
would
be.
Oh,
this
is
going
to
be
super
smooth,
but
I
mean
I.
Remember
that
first
week,
yeah
I
was
like
answering
tickets
that
were
coming
in
like
one
every
five
minutes.
Something
like
that.
You
know
it
was
it.
We
just
got
flooded
with
that,
and
that
was
I.
A
Don't
know
how
long
of
a
I
know
we
talked
when
you
were
considering
this
so
I,
but
I
don't
remember
when
that
was,
but
we
had
like
a
year-long
migration.
So
we
took
our
time
and
we
still
had
just
a
flood
of
stuff
going
on,
but
it
does
settle
down
so
for
the
ocean
state
people
who
may
be
frightened
right
now
it
does.
It
does
calm
down
after
that
initial,
where
everybody
kind
of
wakes
up
and
goes
like
Oh
things
are
different.
A
D
A
Things
are
different,
we've
woken
up,
so
that
was
part
of
the
reason
why
we
had
so
much
such
a
flood
of
tickets
coming
in.
E
Yeah
already
settling
down
a
little
bit,
but
it's
at
times
it
seems
like
we
migrated
on
the
27th
of
February.
We
started
the
whole
process
in
September,
but
because
we're
a
tourism,
a
tourist
destination,
we
always
have
to
make
any
changes
before
the
summer
months
and
I
think
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
training.
E
I
ordered
offered
a
lot
of
training,
we
recorded
things
and
offered
them
to
staff,
but,
like
you
mentioned,
it
was
a
little
bit
laid
back
until
we
actually
switched
on
the
27th
and
since
then
I
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
well.
E
I
gather
from
your
comment:
Bob
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that,
even
if
you
have
a
full
year
or
two
years,
things
come
to
light
after
you
migrate,
we
thought
we
were
really
well
prepared,
but
you
know
there's
been
a
huge
amount
of
work
for
Network
stuff
for
our
Network
stuff,
since
migration
and
I
had
said
to
our
membership,
our
real
work
will
start
not
that
the
other
was
not
real
work.
B
E
A
Yeah,
that's
that's
great
to
hear
yeah
I
totally
agree,
you
can't
you
never
can
prepare
for
everything,
because
you
don't
know
what
you
know
until
you're.
You
know
you
don't
you
can
try
to
anticipate
certain
things,
but
until
you're
in
the
middle
of
it,
in
in
a
live
environment.
You
just
don't
know
how
everything's
gonna
come
together
and
what
questions
are
going
to
come
up
and
what
stuff
you
thought
was
gonna
work
not
just
like
sputters,
and
then
you
gotta,
you
gotta,
dig
into
it.
A
So
you
just
Scramble
for
a
bit
but
but
yeah
I
mean
once
I
know
for
us,
like
a
couple
months
in,
we
had
all
the
stuff
that
wasn't
working
back
online
and
working
the
way
it
was
supposed
to,
and
questions
really
just
started
to
go
off
a
a
cliff
because
people
were
starting
to
get
used
to
it
and
understand
stuff
and
figure
out
stuff
of
themselves.
So
that
was
definitely
our
experience.
A
I'm
curious:
did
you
do
any
developments
as
part
as
coming
over
stuff
that
you
needed
to
see
in
the
system?
Now
that's
for
both
clams
and
Ocean
State,
I'm
kind
of
curious.
What
what
you
need
required
to
bring
in.
E
We
did,
there
was
one
huge
development
that
was
a
deal
breaker,
whether
we
would
go
with
Coho
and
Aspen
or
not.
We
have
a
delivery
system
within
the
state
and
they
did
this
thing
called
sort
to
light
where
they
can,
they
don't
have
to
so
it's
free
to
us
from
the
state,
but
they
you
don't
have
to
put
items
in.
E
A
E
If
the
barcode
is
on
the
front
of
the
the
item-
and
it
knew
where
to
go
in
Sierra,
so
they
did
that
development
at
no
cost
for
us
and
Brandon
was
there
anything
else
they
did?
You
have
to
remember.
C
I,
don't
think
it
was
done
specifically
for
us,
but
it
was
the
the
item
scope
so
that
that
you
can't
edit
items
unless
it's
your
home
Library.
Something
like
that.
C
That
was
that
was
already
in
development
before
we
got
in,
but
that
was
a
big
deal
for
us.
I
think.
A
I
think
there
was
an
iteration
of
that
earlier.
That
was
something
that
we
asked
for
all
the
way
back
in
2019,
because
yeah
we
we
don't
want
our
libraries
editing,
each
other's
stuff
for
sure.
C
C
Think
the
way
that
it
is
is
it's
it's
backboarded
to
us
on
20,
2205
and
and
it
will
be
released
in
the
next
one.
That's
coming
out.
E
Yeah
they
can
do
that
which
is
interesting,
which
we
appreciated
they.
What
do
you
call
random
back
ported
it
where
it
wasn't
officially
released,
but
they
gave
it
to
us
because
it
was
a
big
concern,
but,
interestingly
enough
in
circulation
they
can
still
edit
items
to
a
degree,
but
then
cataloging
they're
blocked
from
editing
each
other's
items,
but
in
Circ
I
have
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
it,
but
I
think
they
they
can
actually
do
some
damage
in
there,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
E
We're
eagerly
awaiting
the
templates.
So
maybe
Ocean
State
could
talk
a
bit
about
those.
We
have
templates
in
Sierra,
I'm,
not
sure
they'll
work
for
us,
because
cataloging
needs
a
lot
of
development.
In
my
opinion,
we
haven't
got
that
yet.
B
I.
Don't
remember
if
that
was
something
that
they
started
working
on,
because
we
said
we
it
had
to
be
done
or
if
our
like
requirement
was
was
that
it
was
done
by
the
time
we
went,
live.
I
can't
remember,
which.
A
I
think
you
had
maybe
asked
for
that.
We
had
asked
for
that
previously
and
we
had
a
quote,
but
they
hadn't
done
any
work
on
it,
but
then
I
know
somebody
came
in
and
said
we
wanna,
we
wanna
go
with
that.
So
I
think
we're
paying
part
of
the
tab
on
that
one
or
maybe
you
all
funded
it.
I
can't
remember,
but
I
know.
That
was
something
we
were
very
interested
in
as
well.
B
B
We
have
to
have
this
because
we
have
I
think
we
have
about
70
locations
all
of
them,
except
for
one,
are
public
libraries,
but
they
all
have
very
specific
different
things
that
they
do
in
their
item
records,
and
you
know
too
many
things
to
add
and
not
enough
staff,
so
the
templates
are
really
time
saving
yeah.
Another
thing
was
the
item
groupings
I,
think
that
was
already
in
place,
but
not
necessarily
on
the
release
that
we
were
going
to
be
going
live
on.
B
B
We
are
currently
doing
a
ton
of
data
cleanup
based
on
visual,
like
just
looking
at
things,
visually
and
Aspen,
the
way
that
they
were
showing
up
like
we're
a
Sierra
Library
now,
and
the
public
catalog
formatting
is
shown
based
on
the
material
type
in
the
bib
record,
but
in
Aspen
everything
comes
from
the
item
records
right,
so
we
have
items
where,
like
multiple
libraries
just
decide
that
it's
something
different
and
so
now
records
are
showing
up
where
the
format
is
three
different
types
like.
B
Sometimes
it
was
a
DVD
and
it
was
showing
up
as
a
book
and
a
kit,
because
some
Library
decided
that
the
I
code
they
wanted
to
use,
but
they
just
wanted
to
use
a
different
eye
code
for
themselves,
not
thinking
that
it
made
any
different,
and
so
we're
doing
just
like
non-stop
lists
of
hey
here
are
discrepancies.
Please
go
in
and
fix
your
items
and
then
we
have
like
two
different
libraries
saying
No.
This
should
be
this.
B
No,
this
should
be
this,
and
so
that's
a
lot
of
the
prep
that
I'm
working
on
is
cleaning
up
all
that
stuff
and
also
trying
to
standardize.
Our
item
records
the
volume
fields
are
all
all
over
the
place
and
so
I
know
that
they're
going
to
be
turned
into
item
groups
when
we
migrate.
But
you
know
we'll
have
one
record
where
one
person
will
put
2023
and
another
we'll
put
2023
Edition
and
another
will
put
2023
first
edition
and
so
they're
all
technically
the
same
version
but
they're
not
described.
E
B
No
okay,
so
it's
the
same
thing
as
volume
records
in
Sierra.
So
it's
like
it's
like
a
level
between
a
bib
and
an
item
that
allows
you
to
place
bid
level
holds
on
issues
instead
of
having
to
place
like
item
specific
holds
on
everything
that
has
a
volume
field.
It
kind
of
grouped
everything
by
volume
and
you
could
place
a
bib
record.
A
bib
hold
on
those.
B
E
E
A
E
I
must
look
into
that
actually,
but
we
didn't
have
the
that's
an
extra
complication
that
ocean
state
has
that
they
have
the
the
volume
records,
but
we
have
a
whole
list
of
developments,
we'd
like
to
see
done
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay
for
all
of
them.
So
what's
the
best
way,
I
mean
we
have
specific
cataloging
developments
that
we
would
love
to
get
by
in
from
other
consortia
to
fund
with
with
buy
water.
A
E
Be
able
to
do
a
certain
amount,
but
not
touch
the
authority
file,
for
instance,
so
they've,
given
us
a
workaround
by
using
the
fast
ad
framework,
but
we'd
like
to
give
libraries
access
to
a
framework
for
each.
E
You
know
for
a
DVD
for
a
book,
blah
blah
blah
so
that
middle
part
of
permissions
is
missing.
So
we'd
love
to
cooperation,
co-fund
something
you
know,
developments
and
cataloging
if
anyone's
interested.
A
A
Put
a
link
to
the
devs
page
for
buy
water
solutions,
and
that
would
be
my
recommendation
is
get
a
quote:
have
them
get
that
up
there?
So
not
only
can
people
see
fully
describe
spec
development
spec,
they
could
see
the
cost
of
it
and
how
much
it
has
been
already
put
towards
that.
A
That's
just
the
best
way
to
do
that
for
koha
us
what
word
going
to
be
doing
going
forward
before
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
have
people
submit
developments
to
us
and
then
vote
on
them
and
we're
going
to
do
one
more
cycle
of
that,
but
then
going
forward
we're
going
to
just
use
this,
because
it's
such
a
clear
representation
of
of
the
developments
that
are
out
there.
So
we,
our
organization,
does
fun
developments
too.
So
another
way,
if
you're,
not
a
member,
that's
another
way
that
you
can.
A
Please
join
koha
us
that
membership
money
does
go
to
things
like
developments
that
you
would
then
have
a
vote
on,
but
we're
going
to
be
using
that
page
as
that
page
to
kind
of
go
through
that.
The
other
thing
I
would
say
about
developments
is
I.
We've
both
done
this
with
a
recent
kohai
us
development
that
needed
a
little
extra
work
on,
because
we
went
with
an
an
outside
firm
that
was
outside
of
the
Maine
of
koha,
and
they
wrote
kind
of
sloppy
code
that
didn't
get.
A
Even
though
the
thing
did
this
thing,
it
said
it
would
do
it
didn't
actually
get
accepted.
It
didn't
pass
the
QA
quality
assurance
process
in
in
the
Quahog
community,
so
we've
actually
been
working
with
a
company
called
catalysts
out
of
New
Zealand
and
by
water
is
so
busy
migrating
large
libraries
like
yours,
large
groups
like
yours
and
a
lot
of
the
development,
is
going
to
that
initial.
A
Like
we're
meeting
requirements
that
they're
not
I,
I'll,
be
very
honest,
they're
not
moving
fast
and
they'll,
admit
the
same
to
you
on
the
stuff
going
forward.
So
they,
the
beautiful
thing
about
being
in
the
cohort
world,
is
that
you
do
have
other
options
and
they've
also
recommended
to
be
ptfs
Europe.
A
So
for
some
of
these
developments,
even
if
you
get
it
up
on
that
devs
page,
that
doesn't
mean
you
can't
get
a
quote
from
Catalyst
get
a
quote
from
ptfs,
Europe
and
I,
and
they
they
can
move
faster
on
stuff
than
what
biowater
currently
has
the
capacity
to
do.
So
there
are
some
good
options.
E
A
D
D
A
It's
not
limited
juggle
tons
of
money,
but
we
do
try
to
give
back
in
this
way.
D
So
if
you
go
to
that
page
on
the
quad-us
.org.org
website
along
the
right
side,
you
can
see
the
the
completed
development
we
got
was
customizing
account
lines
and
then
the
one
that's
kind
of
in
limbo.
Is
this
message?
Deletion.
You
know,
pack
that
that
Bob
was
talking
about.
That
should
be.
A
E
Mean
well
I'm
glad
you're
with
us.
Then
the
thing
is
we.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
money,
we're
we're
here:
35
libraries,
38
locations,
but
half
those
libraries
are
what
we
call
Association
libraries
where
even
for
their
operating
budgets,
they
have
to
fundraise.
So
it's
not
like
the
35.
Libraries
are
municipal,
so
you
know
because
they're
underfunded.
Disgracefully,
it
means
you
know
we're
getting
paid
from
them.
So
yeah.
C
E
Did
set
aside
some
money
from
development
in
the
budget
for
every
year
for
developments
so
that
I
wouldn't
because
another
Network
found
and
they
dropped
out
of
of
Open
Source
because
of
this
they
found
for
every
development
they
have
to
go
to
their
membership,
to
get
approval
for
each
development
and
I
mean
I'll
still
have
to
get
approval
from
the
board
and
buy-in
because
we're
spending
their
money.
But
I
did
set
aside
a
certain
amount
for
development
every
year,
which
was
good
advice.
I
got
from
my.
E
So
you
know
if
there
was
something
already
they're
worded
like
what
we
have.
It
would
be
really
what
we
want.
It
would
be
great.
A
So
what
I
would
say
with
all
this
stuff?
Is
that
start
with
that
devs
page,
because
it's
great
to
to
get
the
thing
on
there,
so
people
can
see
it
and
adjust
but
come
to
the
koha
you,
as
a
general
meeting,
come
to
this
meeting,
go
to
the
special
interest
group
meetings
and
have
those
discussions
that's
a
great
way
to
build
support,
use
the
buy
water
listserv.
You
know
once
you
get
something
up
on
the
the
devs
web
page,
because
you
never
know
who
might
do
it.
A
The
other
thing
I'll
say
is:
we
are
we
are
seeing
more
and
more
consortia
that
are
moving
to
koha,
so
there
is
going
to
be
more
money,
we're
yeah.
We
are
probably
even
though
more
similar
to
you
in
what
we
have
for
our
our
membership
is
not
made,
and
we
have
basically
one
library
that
keeps
it
afloat
with
like
grants
and
bake
sales
and
and
a
lot
of
volunteers.
They
have
one
paid
staff
and
that's
the
director
so
so
so
yeah
we're
kind
of
in
a
similar
situation
with
that.
A
But
there
is
a
lot
of
those
opportunities
to
partner
and
stuff,
and
you
will
find
that
in
some
cases
that
you
are
using
stuff
in
unique
ways
like
the
way
that
our
Consortium
does
holds
is
a
ridiculous
messed
up
thing
that
I
can't
get
the
toothpaste
back
in
the
tube
on
and
that
causes
lots
of
trouble.
When
I
went
out
and
said
like,
surely
you
all
want
this
fixed
everybody
was
like.
Why
would
you
do
it
that
way?
E
Yeah
we
we
have
two
Island
libraries.
Not
only
have
we
got
the
cape
where
we
have
the
Outer
Cape,
which
is
like
a
day
trip
like
Provincetown
way
out
there,
but
we
have
Martha's
Vineyard.
We
have
six
libraries
when
Martha's
Vineyard
and
one
on
Nantucket.
E
So
I
hear
you
about
holes,
because
what
we
want
from
Martha's
Vineyard
is
they
have
their
own
delivery
system
on
the
island
between
the
libraries
which
the
rest
of
us
don't
have,
but
we
want
a
hold
page
would
say
chill
mark
and
then,
if
they
don't
have
it,
we
want
the
whole
page
Vineyard
table.
You
know
instead
of
going
to
the
mainland,
so
it
was
one
of
the
things
they
said
they
could
do,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
have
it
set
up
correctly
with.
D
E
A
Don't
use
it
because
we
are
far
too
complicated
to
make
that
work,
so
we
just
have
it
randomly
assigned
and
I
mean
that
does
create
problems.
We
don't
have
Islands
in
Colorado.
Obviously,
but
there
are
mountain
ranges
and
there
are
isolated
communities
that
don't
get
the
same
level
of
Courier
Service
that
others
get
so
it
does
create
some
inequities
there.
So
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
easier
way
to
dial
things
a
little
bit
more,
and
that
would
be
something
we
would
be
interested
in.
E
Well,
it's
not
something
we
had
in
Sierra,
but
it's
something
we
asked
for,
probably
for
10
years
from
innovative
and
I
understood
from
Bywater
that
they
would
be
able
to
do
something
like
like
that
and
In
fairness,
we're
probably
so
unfamiliar
with
the
system
that
maybe
that
is
there
and
we
just
haven't
figured
it
out.
I.
E
D
Even
have
mountains
here
in
Kansas,
so
ours
is
sort
of
calculating
on
do
they
get
five
day
a
week,
Courier
Service
do
they
get
three
day
every
courier
service
and
then
we've
got
three
different
or
four
different
career
hubs
in
our
system,
so
I've
factored
that
into
the
calculation,
so
that,
like
the
library's
next
to
each
other,
should
be
feeling
each
other's
holds.
D
For
the
most
part,
it's
it's
sort
of
like
a
five
five
tiered
system
is
how
I've
got
it
set
up
where,
like
we
here
at
the
central
officer
feeling
the
most
holes,
because
we
have
the
staff
to
do
that
and
then
beyond
that,
it's
relative
to
each
other.
Each
library
is
relative
to
another
library
is
how
much
it
costs
to
send
the
item
there
and
that
impacts
the
holds
Q
so
like
it's
gonna,
stick
on
our
Halls
too,
until
we
fill
out
our
Market
missing.
D
Likewise,
if
it's
between
two
libraries
that
are
close
to
each
other
and
they
can't
find
it,
then
we
Market
missing.
It's
gonna
move
after
that,
so
it
kind
of
it
trickles
down
a
little
bit.
E
Thank
you.
That
would
be
great.
We
also
have
it
like.
Falmouth
has
like
a
branch
within
a
branch
they
have
a
location
called
the
children's
Library,
which
is
on
a
different
floor
and
I'm.
Sorry,
my
dogs
have
started
so
we
want
the
item
paged
at
the
main
library.
They
also
have
an
East
and
North
Branch,
so
you
know
they
like
to
loan
out
their
own
items
for
their
own
town
statistics.
So
even
within
Falmouth
we
wanted
page
at
the
kids
section,
which
is
really
a
branch
within
a
branch.
E
So
yeah,
it's
it's
complex
and
we
don't
really
know
what
we're
doing
so.
That
would
be
great.
A
Think
of
in
a
bring
up
something
that
Lauren,
who
is
actually
running
a
consort,
an
international
Consortium
but
is
not
not
supported,
which
is
kind
of
an
interesting
setup.
She
had
a
question
so
I
have
no
idea
to
the
answer
to,
and
you
may
not,
but
I
did
say
we
would
talk
about
it.
So
she
was
wondering
if
people
use
the
system,
preferences,
use,
control,
number
and
easy
analytical
records
they
they
use
it
at
the
same
time,
but
it's
causing
some
issues
with
their
journals.
Now
we
don't
have
journals
so
I.
A
Definitely
don't
do
that
and
I.
You
know
I,
don't
know
Jason.
Do
you
have
any
clue
yeah?
That
was
my
concern
with
bringing
this
up
is
I
thought
we
might
have
more
publicly
oriented
consortia
at
this
meeting
today,
so
we
wouldn't
be
of
much
help
on
that
one.
A
So
I
said
I'd
bring
it
up,
but
does
anybody
use
journals
at
all?
I
mean
you
might
have
community
colleges?
Sometimes
they
have
that
stuff,
but.
A
I'm
not
sure
what
they
mean
exactly
what
she
means
by
that
either
we'll
probably
advise
Lauren
to
maybe
email
and
try
to
see.
If
we
can
the
community
and
see
if
she
can
get
an
answer
that
way,
because
I
think
it's
a
little
outside
of
our
purview,
I
I,
it
would
be
similar
to
like
magazines,
I
suppose,
but
I
don't
know
the
way
we
do
magazines
is
we
don't
use
the
serials
module,
except
for
our.
A
A
So
once
you
program
everything,
it's
supposed
to
be
easy,
but
the
way
magazines
are
released
now
is
they'll,
do
a
double
issue
and
then
they'll
skip
an
issue
like
randomly,
so
it
just
creates
a
little
bit
of
Havoc
with
that
particular
rigid
prediction
pattern,
but
the
all
of
our
other
libraries
just
add
items
to
a
record
that
they
own
is
how
we
we
do
that.
E
A
A
E
I'll,
let
you
know,
but
we're
trying
to
nail
down
a
date
with
you
know:
they're
they're
working,
obviously
with
other
consortia
to
bring
them
on
so
they're
busy.
But
one
thing
we
do
have
experienced
and
we've
reported
it
and
I
know.
There's
a
bug
when
libraries
go
to
add
a
serials
item
to
a
bib
record.
It's
so
slow
items
on
it
yeah.
So
what
we've
done
with
the
weeklies
is
we
had
Annika
at
provisional
dimension.
E
E
We
asked
her
to
split
out
the
weeklies,
where
we
have
a
separate
bib
record
for
the
2023
weeklies,
and
we
were
told
that
if
the
bib
records
had
over
500
items,
it
was
really
really
slow.
C
E
A
Keep
reporting
that
stuff.
It's
also
the
same
happens
with
holds
like
if
you
have
I
Records
that
have
lots
of
items
it
takes
longer
to
place
a
hold.
So
there
it's
a
little
extra
long
for
us,
because
we
use
some
nonsense,
called
Branch
transfer
limits
that
I
won't
go
into
great
detail
of
because
it's
a
horrific
mess,
but
that's
part
of
how
we're
managing
everybody
having
their
fun
unique
circuit
holes
rules
as
we
have
to
basically
have
this
giant
grid.
A
Where
you
say
this
Library
can
run
to
this
library
on
this
item
type.
That
sort
of
thing
that
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
ours
is
a
little
slower,
but
I
know
from
talking
to
the
people
at
Montgomery
County,
which
is
a
pretty
sizable
consortia.
They
are
also
experiencing
some
of
those
issues.
So
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
how
that
data
gets
loaded.
A
Every
time
you
put
it
up
so
I
know
that
I
I
know
that
Nick,
in
particular,
has
been
working
on
some
different
ways
to
to
load
things
faster.
So
it
doesn't
go
through
that
long
period
where
it
checks
all
these
different
things
and
then
loads
the
data
and
then
that's
why
it's
slowing
things
up
so
I,
but
yeah
I
would
say
keep
on.
We
continue
to
push
on
that
on
our
end
and
keeping
them
pushing
on.
That
is
good
because
I
do
think,
particularly
as
they
continue
to
add
consortia.
A
E
Mean
I,
don't
consider
87
items
for
a
Consortium
to
be
a
huge
big
deal.
I
understand
the
500
items
yeah,
but
to
have
the
things
sitting
there
I
don't
know
I
just
overall
it
I'm
sorry,
Ocean,
State
I,
don't
mean
to
scare
you.
These
are
minor.
Well,
not
minor.
D
E
That
we're
finding
and
you
know,
work
small
Consortium,
but
we're
noisy
we're
opinionated
we're
new
englanders.
So
you
know
even
even
growing
up
even
searching
for
a
patron
record
in
circulation
like
you're
sitting
there.
Just
looking
at
the
thing.
It's
it's
slow,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is.
B
Yeah
we
were
warned
from
another
Library
who
had
records
that
had
like
300
items
that
it
that
it
was
really
slow,
and
that
was
pretty
scary
for
us,
because
we
have
records
with
3
000
items
attached.
A
B
Yeah
wow
because
we
don't
use
the
cereals
module.
All
of
our
periodicals
are
attached
just
as
item
records
like
anything
else
which
I
mean.
Maybe
that's
the
same
thing
as
it
worked
in
cereals,
I,
don't
know,
but
all
our
records
are
just
like.
Each
issue
is
added
and
we
have
a
lot
of
libraries
that
have
like
historical
collections,
so
they
have
life
all
the
way
back
to
the
beginning,
National
Geographic,
all
the
way
back
to
the
beginning
and
every
item.
B
Every
issue
is
barcoded
and
has
an
item
record
and
we
have
when
we
first
started
doing
the
volume
field
or
the
volume
record
transition
of
like
combining
the
same
issue
onto
one
volume
record.
We
noticed
that
once
we
got
to
about.
B
I
forget
if
it
was
like
500
or
a
thousand
volume
records
that
it
started
to
be
really
slow.
So
we
started
breaking
out
our
big
records
into
like
year
ranges
for
each,
so
we
have
like
time
from
1993
to
1997
or
something,
but
even
those
still
have
thousands
of
items
yeah,
and
that
is
something
that
is
pretty
concerning,
because
we
have
a
very
heavily
used
periodical
collection
in
the
whole
Consortium
yeah.
E
C
E
Then
you
know
circulation
equals
support
and
money
in
our
state.
So
yeah
I
mean
we
broke
out
the
weeklies
but
I'm
beginning
to
think
unless
they
fix
this
pretty
soon
we're
going
to
have
to
break
out
of
the
monthly.
So.
D
D
So
the
Iowa
has
a
people
record
for
2019
to
2020
and
that's
it
and
then
like,
but
our
periodicals
are
used
extensively
at
all
and
we
also
like
we
don't
allow
item
level
holds
at
all
so
like
if
the
patron
wants
to
put
a
hold
on
that
they
have
to
go
through
staff.
A
D
It's
it's
been
an
issue,
it's
still
an
issue.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
those
speed
enhancements.
D
I
will
say
that
things
are
like
way
better
than
they
used
to
be
speed,
wise,
so
like
it,
it
does
get
better
over
time,
but
you
do
have
to
be
a
squeaky
wheel
about
these
things.
Otherwise
they
get
left
to
the
side
and
like
for
us.
We
just
started
working
around
it
so
like
we
stopped
squeaking
about
it
and
that's
why
it's
still
a
problem
for
you
guys
coming
up
and
I
feel
a
little
guilty
there,
but
but
that's
that's
kind
of
how
we've
been
over
the
years.
No.
B
E
Boy,
oh
boy,
and
you
know,
we've
been
told
well
yeah
you
may
have
to
pay
for
it,
but
the
thing
is
if
they're,
if,
if
other
consortia
protea
are
interested
in
going
with
Coho
I,
think
it's
in
supported
by
by
Walter
or
the
other
one
it's
in
their
interest,
maybe
to
I
mean
I,
don't
fully
understand
the
funding
of
developments,
but
you
would
think
it
would
be
in
their
interest
to
to
add
some
of
these
developments
at
no
cost
to
to
us
yeah.
E
But
you
know,
because
if
somebody
comes
to
me
for
a
reference,
I
I'm
going
to
be
honest
with
my
experience
overall
I-
think
it's
a
great
system
I'm
very
gung-ho
about
it,
but
I
I
do
think
this.
You
know
possibly
it's
where
we're
hosted.
Brandon
knows
more
about
this,
but
it
could.
C
Probably
I
think
like
I.
Think,
like
part
of
the
issue
is
just
like
it's
a
limitation
of
the
browser.
Not
you
can't
have
a
web
page
with
so
many
Dom
elements
load
at
the
same
time
so
like
the
I
just
looked
because
I
was
curious
about
it,
but
I
found
like
a
National
Geographic
like
our.
We
have
our
2023
records
broken
out,
so
I,
just
I
checked
the
one
that's
like
2003
to
2022
and
it
has
682
records
on
it.
So
I
think
partially.
Maybe
one
way
of
speeding
it
up.
C
Just
like
yourself
is
maybe,
if
you
don't
show
do
you
need
to
show
all
of
those
columns
when
the
thing
first
loads,
because
if
you
just
limit
the
number
of
columns,
you
can
have
way
less
Dom
elements
right
away,
probably
I
don't
know
but
like
when
I
I,
just
like
checked,
and
it's
like
22
000
Dom
elements
on
this
on
this
page.
So
of
course
it's
going
to
be
slow.
How
can
you
you
have
to
load
it
in
you?
C
Have
it
has
to
be
broken
into
separate
records
or
some
other
way
paginated,
because
I
think
the
it's
you're
only
supposed
to
have
like
a
thousand
Dom
elements
on
a
page.
D
E
Just
you
know
so:
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is,
but
is
everyone
here
hosted
by
water
or
are
you
self-hosted,
I'm
interested
to
know
anyone
self-hosted.
A
E
A
Yeah
I
do
think
that,
as
far
as
the
buy
water
piece
of
this
there's,
an
evolution
and
I
know
they've
they've,
definitely
pursued
and
been
successful
more
with
consortia
in
the
last
few
years.
Right
Jason,
that's
amped
up
quite
a
bit.
So
it's
going
to
take
a
bit
to
you.
Have
the
infrastructure
I
can
tell
you
that
they
definitely
have
been
hiring
a
lot
more
on
that
side,
so
they're
keeping
up
with
that,
but
they
will
be.
A
They
will
need
to
be
building
more
infrastructure
as
far
as
figuring
out
how
to
make
things
work
faster.
That's
just
part
of
it.
I
do
think
it
will
happen.
That's
why,
like
when
I
have
the
opportunity
to
talk.
A
Experience
with
with
the
clams
group
I
was
more
than
happy
to
do
that
because
you
know
you
come
on,
you
say:
I
need
these
things,
that's
just
another
voice,
that's
saying
that
they,
you
know
they
prioritize
that
a
little
bit
higher
stuff
gets
done
and
that's
and
that's
how
it
should
work.
So
I
think
I
think
we're
in
a
you
know
it
might.
There
might
be
some
growing
pains
because
we're
seeing
such
a
big
glut
of
consortia
coming
in
but
long
term
I'm
pretty
excited
about
where
things
are
going.
Yeah.
E
Me
too,
and
thank
you
Bob
and
then
to
acknowledge
that
for
talking
with
us,
you
know
absolutely.
B
E
Of
the
line
that
was
much
appreciated,
but
yeah
I
I
have
I'm
excited
about
this.
Sometimes
the
our
members
say
to
us.
Well,
are
you
sorry
yet,
but
you
moved
on
like
no,
absolutely
not
because
I'm
excited
about
the
potential
of
Open
Source
and
I
love.
We
love
Aspen,
I,
don't
know
whether
everyone
else
here
is.
A
On
Aspen
Jason,
but
we're
yeah.
A
That's
really
good
and
that
that's
evolving
at
an
even
quicker
rate,
but
I
will
I
mean
I
will
say
just
because
we
were
on
that
forked
version
of
koha.
It
was
like
we
were
just
light
years
behind
the
the
improvements
that
are
made
to
with
those
two
big
upgrades.
You
know
over
time.
It's
just
it's
really
amazing.
How
fast
koha
is
evolving
and
I.
Just
don't
think
they're
I,
don't
know.
A
A
That's
you
know
why
I'm
doing
this
meeting
here
and
all
that
and
part
of
koha
us,
because
it's
you
know
it's
kind
of
fun
to
be
actually
have
a
say
and
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
how
it's
going
to
operate
and
how
you're
going
to
make
it
work
for
you
what
I
mentioned
our
department
of
corrections?
A
Libraries,
that's
really
because
there's
no
Library
System
designed
for
prison
libraries
just
doesn't
exist
and
they
have
really
unique
needs
and
I'm
actually
going
to
be
in
DC
at
computers
and
libraries
next
week
doing
a
presentation
on
it
just
because
it's
it's
just
like
fascinating,
but
we
couldn't.
A
We
couldn't
do
this
stuff
without
open
source
and
being
able
to
like
Leverage
all
the
different
Community
stuff,
that's
already
in
there,
but
then
go
and
work
with
a
company
like
Catalyst
in
New
Zealand
and
have
them
cooperate
with
buy
water,
where
pretty
soon
we're
going
to
be
testing
a
new
development
that
they've
been
working
on
and
it's
just
an
awesome
environment.
So
that's
my
my
here's.
Your
Kool-Aid
pitch
for
the
day.
A
Oh
I
did
want
to
mention,
because
you
were
talking
Miranda
about
all
the
cleanup
you're
going
to
have
to
do.
I
do
like
the
merge
feature
and
we
use
it
a
lot
so
once
you're
in
once,
the
data
is
migrated,
there's
a
lot
of
ways
where
you
know
it's.
You
can
just
do
a
title,
search
for
something
and
then
see
all
the
records
that
should
be
merged
and
pretty
quickly,
merge
them
and
then
move
Fields.
A
If
you
want
to
move
some
Fields
over
to
make
a
like
a
real
good
composite
record,
we
do
that
a
lot,
because
we
have
libraries,
we're
always
seems
like
we're
migrating
new
libraries
ahead
and
their
data
often
is
coming
from
a
small
library
that
hasn't
had
consistent
cataloging
practices
and
hasn't
been
on
a
shared
system.
So
it's
not
exposed
in
the
same
way
as
it
is
when
you're
part
of
a
group
and
so
yeah.
A
B
That's
good
to
know
we're
sort
of
started
talking
about
right.
Now
we
do
a
lot
of
merging
of
it's
not
so
much
for
the
same
reasons
that
you
had,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
libraries
that
order
and
do
like
the
vendor
records
like
download
the
mark
records
from
their
vendors
and
load
them
and
we
have
it
match
on,
is
bin,
and
so,
if
they
ordered
the
paperback,
and
we
only
had
the
hardcover
it'll
create
a
new
record
and
you
know
and
then
anything
that
gets
like
reprinted
a
million
times.
B
We
have
like
classic
edition
records
for
Great
Expectations.
Where
you
just
attach
your
item,
you
don't
need
to
have
a
new
bid
record
for
that,
but
we
also
do
like
travel
guides
and
test
books
and
stuff
merging
those
into
one,
and
we
were
kind
of
talking
about
how
much
merging
we
might
need
to
still
do
with
the
Aspen
grouping
like
if
all
of
the
bid
records
are
kind
of
going
to
kind
of
roll
up
into
one
bib
or
one
record,
showing
record
group
still
learning
terminology.
B
But
if
they're
all
kind
of
going
into
one
record
group
in
Aspen
and
a
patron
could
just
place
a
hold
on
like
the
set,
how
much
merging
of
bib
records
are,
we
gonna
have
to
do
so.
That's
something
that
we're
thinking
we'll
just
figure
out
once
we
get
in
there
and
go
live
and
not
spend
too
much
time
on
it
now.
But
it's
good
to
know
that
merging
is
pretty
easy.
If
we
still
keep
doing
that
yeah.
A
C
A
Obviously,
some
stuff
that
you
don't
want
to
merge
because
it's
different
editions
we
look
at
like
when
we
do
our
like,
like
Tom
Sawyer,
like
we
have
like
I,
think
180
like
bibs
on
that.
A
And
they're
like
there's
so
many
different
editions,
you
can't
just
go
and
sweep
them
up
all
at
the
one,
but
then
it
just
like
shows
real
nicely
an
aspen
cat
and
then
in
Aspen
the
Aston
cat
is
my
sir
I
yeah.
They
name
Aspen
and
ask
the
cat
and
that's
that's
a
point
of
confusion,
so
apologies
there
but
yeah
on
Aspen.
It's
really
cleans
up
that
type
of
mess
in
a
really
nice
way.
A
C
I
wanted
to
say
also
Miranda,
you
might
want
to
reach
out
to
Michelle,
because
I
think
she
did
a
lot
of
the
work
that
you're
doing
yeah
and
one
of
the
things
that
she
did
was
in
Sierra
are
item
types
were
kind
of
like
they
were
kind
of
like
the
item,
type
and
collection
code.
So
like
we
had
like
many
extra
ones,
so
she
like
simplified
so
going
into
koha.
We
have
fewer
item
types
because
we
broke
out
that
into
the
collection
code
piece.
Okay,.
B
A
E
We
have
Express
copies
and
the
libraries
don't
want
to
have
those
on
hold,
so
Michelle
will
be
able
to
tell
you
more
about
it
but
she's
on
vacation
this
week,
but
the
copy
catalogger
had
to
ask
or
not
emerge,
but
the
opposite
to
unmerge
Express,
the
express
version
so
that
they
wouldn't
have
it
interesting.
A
So
you
can
do
that
with
item
type
two.
We
do
like
a
new
item
type
for
various
things
and
then
we
set
up
in
the
tools
there's
an
automatic
modification
by
age,
so
you
can
say,
like
we
only
want
it
to
be
new
for
this
long
after
three
months.
Then
it
turns
from
that
new
item
to
book
and
then
it
automatically
follows
those
new
rules.
That's
been
a
really
great
setup.
A
I
mean
you
could
still
trust
me.
We
don't
have
consensus,
you
know
everybody's
got
their
somewhere
like
we're
doing
six
months
and
some
were
like
one
month
and
then
we'll
we'll
lend
it
and
a
couple
libraries
aren't
doing
the
new
thing
at
all
which
they
should,
because,
if
anybody's
doing
it,
you
should
keep
your
stuff.
A
A
A
Message:
yeah
we're
going
a
little
long,
but
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
on
that
one
or
anything
and
good
luck
with
your
with
arriving
in
koha
and
coming
to
koha
soon
I
do
recommend
getting
involved
with
kohai
us.
This
has
been
a
great
discussion
and
hope
to
see
your
future
meetings.