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ContribEx: Bi-Weekly Update for 20200311

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Hello, everyone and welcome to the March 11th bi-weekly sikandra experience, meeting Bob killin I'll be your host for today before we begin just want to kick off with a few little housekeeping issues, namely the all our meetings.

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All the communication channels are under the CNC f code of conduct, which can essentially be will don't you please be awesome to each other with that I don't see any new contributors on the line, but if they are will hold off introductions until we get through our sort of standard stand-ups a session of just going through all the sub projects, and with that can kick off to you.

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Events of her George did tell me he wasn't gonna be able to make this meeting, but as far as I know, things are going good with office hours and the community meeting I.

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Don't see I guess I'll give that can contribute update so for Amsterdam, as everyone saw we've sort of postponed it we're going to be having right now. The plan is to have both a virtual and in-person session, assuming that in like cube, con itself is still happening later this year for the virtual summit.

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The primary thing will be the new contributor workshop, which we plan to host and then some time sensitive content that we want to basically get done at the end of the month, along with any of our speakers that still want to present virtually.

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The actual like in person, one if it does happen, we'll probably be closer to what it was like in Barcelona last year, so mostly sig, face to face sessions along with a it's a bit of curated content from CFB.

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For Shanghai the cube con itself was cancelled, so the plan is sort of TBD right now, but the idea was tossing around doing another, like virtual summit, at least for the new contributor workshop. There's a tracking issue sort of for the current planning on that.

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Next, under description Paris, you want to read that or do you want me to read it off? You.

B

Can read it? Okay,.

A

We need to start thinking about the election judges honestly I forget when does like when we actually supposed to kick off that process. Majalaya.

B

Sh August's, okay, yeah! So that's why I figured we should don't. You start thinking about like how we staff that, because it does take us a while.

C

What are the requirements for that or sorry? Somebody else was talking well.

D

You have to not be planning and running right or one, the I don't know what else like.

C

How many people do we know we.

B

Have to have at least one election judge that is from the last election, which is the hard part.

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We usually have.

C

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Right now we have three at least the previous. Well last year we had four, it was George myself, a and Brian grant we'll see how things shape up no a bit later. For the most part you just have to like be very, very detail-oriented and be very clear in communication, and you will you will get poked by people, but the I think the first big thing is well, that's independent. The election committee, but I mean steering item is figuring out what the voting requirements are.

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And I did forget to ask for a note-taker, so whoever is putting in notes that is much appreciated.

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That kicks us over does anyone have any other questions or comments before we move on.

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Okay, cool Oh entering Paris.

B

Life is good on the meat. Our contributors side I, put together a a form for um a second time for when people would want to do meet our contributors so that we get another host going for a second time, especially for the upcoming months, with lots of folks theme or things rather being moved to virtual it'll, be good to have a second one, I think and we'll probably have some decent results there at least temporarily so I'm hoping to get that out today and then get it like I, said, get a second host a lot.

B

Lots of folks have come to me so that they would host so just I, guess just depending on what time winds and when people are available kind of thing, and that's about it. For me, NAR contributors.

A

Kiddo, you have the next item on there. Yeah.

E

So, regarding google Summer of Code, we are on the stage where were inviting mentors on the G soft website and the portal. We have run three projects from the community side and looks like we have some good promising students as well. So life is good there as well awesome.

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The next thing on the list- and that is mostly just an update regarding the new contributor workshop, we plan on four well Amsterdam virtual Amsterdam boxing up the nuke intruder workshop as much as possible to make it a fully virtual event once that is done, oh the project will actually be transferring outside of events and moved over to the mentoring, sub project.

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Barbara getting this I think we had hit up, there's a huge discussion on the slack regarding this new contributor workshop I'd to just move it or to have it separated from the workshop, or do I be addressing that the discussion that we had it on the slack, with the been with the issues which we have with the currently and then we another won't notice that too right. We.

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Are like at least for Amsterdam, like I, should say we are going to box up we're going to host it virtually like okay,.

F

Okay, so and then it is postponed, it's gonna be only the conference, so we.

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Will not we that will only be virtual. We will not have it like an in-person session at Amsterdam. Okay, it's all good.

A

The long-term plan is probably to move the nuclear workshops completely virtual and not host them during the contributor 7th. Alongside our other events, oh yeah.

F

That's a good idea, but I'll be coming up with the categorical kind of a plan or like where they can play. They can like. We.

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We have that already is the new contributor playground essentially like once we get all the cut the contents that the new contributor workshop that should be, you know pretty good to go outside of us running them ourselves. We've also tossed around the idea of like trying to make it like an EDX course or break him to be sort of more self-paced, as some wanted to that's sort of still TBD. Oh.

F

Nice thanks Bob.

C

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Community management, oh sorry, does anyone else have any questions or things I want to talk about.

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Regarding events, our mentoring.

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Community management Paris need to know.

B

Yes, we are rolling, really rolling on lots of chair and tech lead at community stuff. If you will, their community is forming nicely. We've got several forms of several forms of input and output for communication for those folks now, and also lots of issues in community that affect them. Things like potentially making a role book for a chair, because we don't have one right now and some other things there's also a new folder inside of the contributors.

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Folder, that's specifically for chairs and tech leads, so that they can either collaborate their own things and save artifacts or have our own boarding documents live there for them and things that are just very specific to them that it's a it'll, be a nice. One-Stop-Shop I'll. Add the link to that in the notes in one second, but we had our Tuesday, our first actual March Tuesday meeting yesterday and it was focused on triage. So we talked about the cap.

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We did a demo from API machinery and talk. They talked about how they do triage, and then we also do some off-the-record. It's about. You know how everybody else is doing triage and it went really well we'll have one more tomorrow which will close out the March sessions and then we'll move on to planning for April. We have tons of parking lot ideas already.

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One of them is like meeting facilitation, best practices and things like that again thinking of anything like a chair like a shared chair, type duties or even like a tech lead filling in for a chair kind of thing duties.

B

That's about it, though, with chair life, questions concerns comments.

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A

Think with that, we can move on to the next section. The APEC coordinator, update.

E

Yeah there aren't any specific updates. We were planning for the shanghai contributor summit, I think there's an issue for it right now, but since the conference has been called off, we might do a watcher one, but we'll be discussing more about that and more outreach with tomorrow, tomorrow or tonight, depending on where in the world yeah that's kind of fun.

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Okay, any questions in like that.

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Next fun thing: marketing, I,.

C

Can take that so the Twitter handle poll is like raging on the top. Vote-Getter, though, is Cates contributors and that exceeds the 15 character limits.

C

We have lots of alternatives, but we'll probably have to issue a new poll. I feel like yes, no, maybe on that one I.

B

Don't know, let's talk marketing, meeting yeah.

C

B

Yeah the last thing I want to do is initiate another poll. I'm not gonna lie to you, hey I, hear you I feel like we. We know what people like at this point, so we should just pick something yeah.

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C

I grabbed Kate's contribs just now in case we want that I, don't know whatever.

B

But that's it for me. um We also have a ton of work to do. We also, if there are people on the line that either are looking for new ways to get involved. More also, I wasn't gonna say like gee, sweetie stuff is still super, ambiguous, I know, Karthik and a couple other people have stepped up to attempt to to try to you know make things a little bit more clear there. Again we have a G suite. We have all these communication platforms, they talk to each other through api's. We don't do that now.

B

So that's what the ambiguous G suite life is there and folks are trying to figure out so we're also looking for more bloggers and what I mean by that is not people talking about like what is being used in kubernetes for what is being used in production, but stories about SIG's and contributors and stuff like that.

B

We've got a sig scalability blog, that's being released soon, so you'll see what we mean by kind of storytelling, hopefully like the stories will bring people to their cigs and it's not like come to our cig meetings and Vegas lights, but it's about like what they do and who they are and their challenges, and things like that. So also, if you have folks that your work that are trying to get more involved, especially people who are like oh I, don't you know like you know, I, don't code or whatever.

B

This is a great opportunity, because it has a ton of work that doesn't necessarily involve code and it's like ambiguous and stuff like that. So that's my.

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B

My high horse about stuff- that's currently going on in marketing so and I'll.

C

Add on right, like they don't necessarily have to be super kubernetes savvy right, like I, can teach them all. They need to know about kubernetes to write about it right like if they feel like they want to get involved, there's a great way to start.

B

We're also trying to formulate this like internal communications manager, concept with Jonas and Tunde, and realizing that that's actually like, probably the multiple roles and in itself, because we're talking about programmatic support for our events as well as programs so meet our contributors, thirst or web mail monthly community meeting things like that, where we're not like all like in chat one day going, hey somebody retweet my stuff, it's more on a checklist kind of this person like on one day, you know, does a tweet does a blog post does of this in you know in support of that thing for us, so that we have more consistent communications and then people can start depending on certain platforms for things.

B

So that's the five-year plan.

B

But yeah, that's it for me. Okay,.

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Any questions or comments three and a half year.

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B

A multi-year.

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Release cycle yeah.

B

That's how we should actually tweet the Twitter handle. We should take it through a release cycle like we're. Launching the Twitter handle y'all in one year.

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Only ten followers can participate with it. After.

D

That insert coin just didn't write just in time for all of us to leave Twitter.

D

A

Yes, with that now we can kick over to you github management, you you it's one coming in there that I don't know who driver do we have do we want to have heavy PR loads warning, so this was a.

D

So this was a suggestion from a new contributor who has a conflict in the first half hour. She can't join us until 10:00 a.m. she supposedly put this on the agenda originally and it disappeared from there.

D

The agenda was like created right before ah she- probably she probably put it on the last week's agenda or something then the anyway I want to put it on her, but she will not be joining us until 1001 and it's her idea.

A

Okay, I guess we can come back to that.

A

Second, for updates, contributor documentation, I, don't know of any updates.

G

I'm working on that Jen content conversion, oh for.

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uh So I saw the what PR of converting it from bash to Python yeah.

G

That I want a more work with Laura, but at Nimbus to pair with her. So she can get a idea and give her feedback on the code. But I did a run test last night and it looks pretty good I think I can clean it up a little bit more and but I want to pair with her.

A

Like hey, I, looked at it, like literally as I, was going right to bed last night briefly, I think the I can follow up. There, I think the one cow is gonna make was just like. We can probably convert all the grep stuff to just you know, actual regular expressions, instead of you know showing how to do that. I.

G

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That can be later. That's.

G

Mvp one yeah, hey.

B

Can I propose something? I propose something um I wanted to see. No, while we're all in our virtual states for like contributor, guide and dev guide stuff. If we could just host a well not and not just host but like advertise host and plan a like contributor guide, slash dev, guide, working session, where we all just crush PRS that are in the queue for you know, contributor, guide or to have guide stuff I mean we can like just to get a little Excel spreadsheet, of everything that has that label. We didn't George.

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Was like trying to organize something like that, but.

G

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Well, he's actually sick again and that's. Why he's not on the call yeah.

B

All right well, I mean it's not like pret. This is impressing proposal by the way. All this was just literally me last night, when I was like Doc's.

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B

Know yeah yeah yeah I mean that would be so. We should just do doc, hackathons like regularly anyway. It could be like a good like onboarding, go to this doc, hackathon kind of thing anyway. I don't know anyway. I do.

G

That that's a good idea and if you tweeted it out like hey, if anybody wanted to learn about something come join this we're all laughing and I guarantee you. People would jump all over that yeah.

B

Yeah yeah, so this is like I said not pressing. That was to see what y'all thought I'll go with George, maybe George and I can figure it out. Yeah.

D

Also, the docs team has lots of experience doing this, so we draft like Brad or somebody yeah, to help out yep.

B

Exactly yeah I think that would be cool, so something light. Light-Hearted I think that would be a cool way to for us to and again I'm just thinking about how the hell like what are some strategies to keep our Doc's, not stale, right and I. Think that's one of the strategies that Doc's folks employ all the time is just that they're consistently doing these prints and like I, will.

A

Said the harder one is less the contributor dreaming guidance more, so the dev guide, which requires a bit more main specific knowledge yeah, like I I, can't comment on the like generated client set code, yeah.

B

I think it's late. Let's have.

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B

Yeah we have that stuff on like spreadsheets, with like expectations. I got seen like I've seen like sig Docs, run, there's and like they call out like where they need certain experience and stuff like that. So alright, anyway, sorry, sorry, the sidebar, maybe that's.

A

Okay, we were gonna roll right into open items anyway, yeah Nick.

B

Next meeting, maybe we'll have something more official.

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Does anyone have any questions before we go into open items.

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You, okay, the big thing I want us out there, and this is more so for the other leads and sub-project owners is, would really like to just do a general like update and refresh of our owners of our sub-project owners.

A

There are some that, like it's, been a while since they've been touched and there's actually a couple with out there that don't actually have that have non org members in them, so something we should try and do the idea is to get that taken care of, preferably by the end of the 1:18 release cycle, so you can actually get into the planning for 119.

A

This has gone back to like some of the the project management stuff p.m. stuff that I've talked about briefly on some of the previous calls.

A

The general idea is to you know, projects together and decide what we will actually want to try and accomplish for that cycle, whether we sort of schedule out of band meetings like at the tail end or beginning of 119, or it's just the first meeting or you know, last meeting. Let's know we can talk about it. I'm. Definitely, you know open suggestions there, but I would definitely like to try and get you know, get an idea of what people would like to work on.

G

If you do an out-of-band meeting, I'd be totally happy joining.

A

Does anyone have any other opinions on that.

C

Yeah yeah I want to participate it, but I could have sworn we did the exercise of going through honors and order. I thought we did that already. We.

A

Did the owner cleanup of kaykai? This is specifically the contributes of project owners got it.

C

Nevermind, okay,.

B

And then what are you asking of owners here, like I mean in my case, like I, felt like you were asking for me to check in and tell you that I'm good for, like all of this, there wasn't really like an action on the issue other than to like state that this is a thing. It's.

A

Well seat like for a lot of them, I'm gonna be reaching out just to see like do you still want to be in this owners file, or you know, there's some that haven't had people involved in quite some time did.

B

You just do like a mandatory roll call. Then.

A

Yeah I think I'm there's something that will probably better off to just be discussed or you know not discuss but like poke them about before no chiming. In.

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Any other questions comments about it.

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F

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Now, just after the hour and see I don't see who was, the person was supposed to hop on I can't.

D

Remember and I haven't been able to find her in my slack history. Okay, so if she doesn't join then we'll just it was not anything urgent. So if she doesn't join, then we'll just put it off for some meeting what she does show up. Okay,.

A

Yeah at this point, I'm probably table it to the next one.

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Think with that, unless anyone has any other comments of things they want to talk about, we give we can probably call it.

B

I'm looking I feel like I did I'm going through, like my forty five tabs hold on one second.

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B

Maybe not gun right.

D

So I can ask the painful question, which is what, if coop conning you does not happen in July or August. Do we want to plan on doing a full virtual contributor summit in the middle of summer, then I think that's what would wind up happening and it's.

A

Pretty much the same plan, though, like.

D

Yeah well, at least at least we'll get the Europeans in that case, because nobody will be traveling anywhere.

A

For now, that's at least a later problem.

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You fighting it what your find, what you're looking for Paris No.

B

B

Nothing really that I wanted to bring up right now so and this Andy.

E

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Call it there, at least for the recording.

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