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A
Excellent,
I
was
like
going
live
to
the
world
so
good
afternoon.
Folks,
my
name
is
councilman
neal
walsh,
heading
in
high
park,
ward,
welcome
to
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee
I'll
be
sharing
today's
meeting.
So
can
I
remind
members
to
turn
the
microphones
to
mute
when
they're,
not
speaking,
and
to
use
the
hand
raising
function
to
indicate
they
would
like
to
speak
as
we
move
through
the
agenda.
A
So
it's
a
remote
meeting,
as
you
all
know,
as
you're
all
experiencing
we'll
move
through
the
introductions,
we're
gonna,
do
it
in
alphabetical
order.
So
first
on
my
list
is
actually
counselor
anderson
who's
can't
attend
today,
but
he's
substituting
for
counselor
collins,
so
council
college
you
introduce
yourself.
C
Yeah
good
afternoon,
everyone
councillor
dawn
collins
from
horstworth
ward
and,
as
I
said
previously,
and
I'm
substituting
for
councillor,
barry
anderson
today.
A
Welcome
board
the
good
ship
siac
councilor
bentley.
E
Sorry
about
that
councillor,
david
blackburn,
family,
in
whittley,
world
councillor.
F
Thank
you
yes,
councillor,
neil
buckley
or
woodley
ward.
B
Thank
you
to
councillor
lisa
mulherin
from
arsenal
and
robin
hood
toward.
I
Good
afternoon,
chair
councillor
muhammad
said
from
the
mortal
meanwhile.
Thank
you.
A
Councilwoods
next
on
my
list,
but
I
don't
think
he's
here
yet
and
then
councillor
ray.
A
Wonderful
excellent,
that's
the
the
longest
section
of
the
meeting.
I
think
we
have
to
do
these
things
in
a
systematic
matter
right,
so
I
will
move
through
the
chairs
bullets
of
an
agenda
and
then
we
get
onto
our
substantive
items
so
number
one
harriet
any
appeals.
B
There
are,
there
is
one
late
item:
the
report
to
item
11,
the
response
to
the
citizens.
Jury
recommendations
was
unavailable
at
the
time
of
the
gender
publication
and
was
published
late
and
I'm
hoping
that
all
members
have
received
the
electronic
notification
of
this
item.
A
Yeah,
I'm
sure
they
have
seen.
Thank
you.
General
nods,
excellent,
okay,
so
item
four
decl
declarations
of
disclosable
pecuniary
interest.
Any
members
got
any
of
those.
Let
me
switch
to
zoom,
so
I
can
see
you
all
from
my
preamble
nope
good,
oh
so
item
five
apologies.
We've
already
covered
councillor
collins
for
councillor
anderson,
so.
B
A
Now,
thank
you
very
much
so
item
six
colleagues,
it's
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting,
the
17th
of
july,
which
is
pages
five
to
eight
in
your
pack.
A
A
G
A
That's
good
so
true
record
folks,
we're
happy
with
that.
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
excellent,
okay,
silences
approval
in
in
our
zoom
world.
Okay,
so
that's
the
minutes.
We've
and
I
think
councillor
wadsworth
has
joined
us
council
was
this.
Can
you
please?
Yes,
could
you
introduce
yourself
to
the
world
please,
as
part
of
our
protocol
elected
members
have
to
let
me
find
the
camera
thing.
I've
had
a
bit
of
trouble
joining
so
didn't
seem
to
work.
I'm
councillor
paul.
A
F
A
A
I
I
sense
this
is
a
delicate
area.
We
will
move
on
paul.
That's
fine!
No,
no!
That's
quite
all
right
right,
so
item,
seven
open
forum.
So
as
it's
a
remote
meeting,
we've
asked
that
members
of
the
public
submit
videos
or
they're
open
of
their
open
forum,
questions
or
statements
before
which
today's
video
submissions
we've
also
got
a
live
one.
I
would
like
to
let
you
know
it's
gonna
be
one
of
those
meetings.
I've
been
in
meetings
all
day.
A
My
throat
is
so
dry
I'd
like
to
let
you
know
about
changes
that
we've
been
making
to
the
selection
process
for
these
videos
so
to
make
it
as
fair
as
possible.
Well,
we
want
to
make
it
as
far
as
possible,
and
today
slots
for
the
open
forum
have
all
been
allocated
on
a
first
come
first
serve
basis,
but
from
the
next
meeting
owners
we'll
be
choosing
the
video
submitted
at
random
with
priority
given
to
those
who
have
not
submitted
in
the
last
six
months,
so
to
check
things
up
and
get
more
people
interested.
A
J
J
Air
pollution
is
at
an
all-time
low
because
of
lockdown,
where
no
one
has
been
driving
etc.
This
is
a
worldwide
challenge.
Air
pollution
has
dropped
because
of
lockdowns
and
is
going
to
rise
again
when
everyone
is
traveling
as
normal
because
of
the
pandemic.
Use
of
public
transport
is
also
down,
and
when
school
resumes
there
will
be
an
increase
in
car
drop-offs
and
since
no
one
can
car
share.
This
will
be
even
worse.
J
J
This
is
not
about
doing
what
we
have
to
do
the
bare
minimum,
but
about
doing
what
is
right,
it
is
a
human,
a
fundamental
human
right
to
breathe
clean
and
fresh
air
people
deserve
to
know.
There
is
an
alternative.
Children
deserve
to
have
properly
developed
lungs,
with
no
conditions
caused
by
air
pollution.
J
J
K
K
B
The
main
impacts
of
climate
change
that
we
will
see
as
the
temperatures
continue
to
rise,
are
that
more
of
the
world's
population
will
be
exposed
to
extreme
weather
events,
so
that
can
include
heat
waves.
Storms,
more
flooding
as
sea
levels
rise,
we'll
also
see
an
increase
in
drought,
which
has
important
implications
for
our
ability
to
grow.
B
H
B
It's
been
amazing
to
see
how
the
citizens
of
leeds
have
really
supported
the
need
for
action
on
the
climate
emergency,
and
there
are
decisions
that
we
can
all
make
in
our
in
our
everyday
lives
to
try
and
to
try
and
help.
But
absolutely
we
need
higher
level
support
in
terms
of
national
and
regional
governments,
making
decisions
in
terms
of
infrastructure,
investment
that
support
the
actions
of
the
citizens.
B
Climate
change
is
a
material
consideration
in
all
planning
decision
making,
and
there
are
multiple
sources
for
this.
First,
the
paris
agreement
and
international
obligation.
The
council's
core
strategy,
especially
planning
policy,
sp
12,
paragraph
148
of
the
national
planning
policy
framework,
the
statutory
obligations
under
the
climate
change
act
2008.
This
legislation
is
referred
to
in
the
framework,
and
this
now
requires
net
zero
by
2050..
B
Was
really
good
because
it
made
me
feel,
like
my
voices
were
being
heard,
and
it
put
a
lot
of
faith
back
in
the
council
that
I
didn't
think
I
had
before.
B
M
Our
climate
emergency
involves
many
issues,
one
of
which
is
the
uk's
alarming
loss
of
biodiversity.
England
is
one
of
the
most
nature.
Depleted
countries
in
the
world,
insects
are
the
cornerstone
of
our
environmental
system,
providing
essential
pollination,
keeping
the
soil,
healthy
recycling
nutrients,
providing
food
for
wildlife
and
controlling
pests
to
say
nothing
of
the
beauty
they
provide
relaxed
mowing
on
grasslands
throughout
the
uk
has
resulted
in
an
astonishing
turnaround
of
a
previously
headlong
decline
in
a
very
short
time.
M
M
We
need
to
build
on
this.
Many
of
ottly's
grasslands
are
still
known
regularly,
rendering
them
sterile
to
wildlife.
Here,
a
tiny,
unknown
pocket
contains
17
native
plant
species.
Unfortunately,
it's
an
isolated
island.
Any
insects
are
trapped
here,
as
they
can't
traverse
the
distance
to
the
next
nectar
spot.
M
M
M
More
extensive
grasslands
in
ockley
would
benefit
from
swathes
of
central
or
peripheral
land
being
left
to
wildlife,
which
benefits
the
local
residents
too.
So
why
octley,
after
all,
ockley
already
has
some
beautiful
green
spaces
around
it.
Firstly,
a
network
of
wildlife
corridors
is
both
feasible
throughout
the
town
and
will
work.
M
M
M
A
Excellent,
oh,
I
really
like
open
forum,
and
I
think
those
videos
were
were
really
good
and
gave
us
a
lot
of
food
for
thought.
So,
as
we
do
as
in
our
common
practices
is
chair,
will
make
sure
that
the
the
the
the
contributors
get
a
a
proper
detailed
response
from
the
council
and
interested
parties
and
stakeholders
and
it's
food
for
thought
for
future
items
as
well
for
work
that
we
want
to
undertake.
A
It
was
mostly,
we
actually
don't
have
a
verbal
contributor
to
open
forum,
so
just
for
people
watching,
I
don't.
We
don't
usually
take
questions
and
points
raised
at
this
point
from
elected
members,
because
we
have
a
considerable
workload
to
do
during
these
meetings
and
in
a
zoom
environment,
we
try
to
keep
our
business
moving.
A
H
So
if
I
start
with
the
food
and
biodiversity
group,
so
today
the
the
group
has
focused
very
much
on
biodiversity
and
and
at
the
request
of
the
chair
council
collins,
we,
the
next
session,
will
be
focused
on
how
we
wrap
everything.
That's
been
done
today
up
and
we
pull
together
the
various
different
aspects
of
biodiversity
and
and
then
also
it
will
be
timely.
Because
that
will
be
the
point
when
we
need
to
look
at
the
white
rose
forest
strategy
which
will
be
going
to
november's
exec
board.
H
But
I
think,
probably
following
on
from
the
presentation
that
we're
going
to
hear
today
and
I
want
you
to
preempt,
but
I
think
we'll
probably
kind
of
see
that
there
are
lots
of
opportunities
around
food
and
actually
there's
probably
an
opportunity
after
that,
to
then
move
on
to
food
and
start
looking
at
the
actions
that
can
come
out
and
pulling
together
a
work
program
that
focuses
more
on
that
aspect
of
the
group.
And
so
I'm
hoping
to
get
those
invites
out
to
members
for
towards
the
end
of
october.
H
In
terms
of
the
planning
and
energy
efficiency.
Again,
focus
very
much
today
has
been
on
planning
and-
and
there
is
currently
a
planning
white
paper
in
the
system
that
we're
drafting
a
response
to,
and
the
suggestion
is
that
we
issue
that
draft
response
to
the
members
of
the
planning
working
group
so
that
they
can
comment
via
email
in
order
to
meet
the
timetable
for
the
final
meeting.
When
that
draft
response
will
be
signed
off.
H
Over
the
meetings
remaining
for
this
year
in
terms
of
transport,
we
did
actually
have
a
meeting
during
lockdown
and
we
talked
about
bringing
back
some
kind
of
examples
of
really
good
walking
strategies,
and
I
think,
that's
probably
still
timely,
to
do
and
also
looking
at
the
work
that's
going
on
with
school
streets
and
the
active
travel
neighborhoods
under
one
heading
and
then
also
looking
at
transport
strategy.
That
again
will
come
to
accept
board
and
using
it
as
an
opportunity
to
get
wider
input
and
consultation
before
it
goes
to
that
board.
L
H
We're
looking
to
get
a
meeting
set
up
for
each
of
those
three
groups
in
october
and
we
tend
to
meet
kind
of
once
every
two
months,
but
it
may
depend
if
there's
specific
things
that
you
need
to
tie
in
to
accept
all
programs-
or
you
know
things
that
come
out
of
meetings
such
as
this,
then
obviously
we'll
try
and
be
flexible.
So
that's
my
update.
A
Excellent,
okay:
anybody
got
any
questions
or
points
of
order
to
race
for
for
polly.
Obviously,
we've
wanted
to
get
the
working
groups
moving
and
and
and
the
grooving
now
things
that's
about
saying.
E
Just
one
thing
I
mean
I'm
not
criticizing,
there's
not
having
any
meetings
during
lockdown
he's
been
badly
enough,
trying
to
get
prop
the
the
main
of
council
working
properly
during
that
period.
But
I
thought
you
think
that
we
need
to
put
some
and
I'm
I'm
appreciative
of
of
office's
time.
Don't
you
think
we
need
to
put
a
bit
more
effort
into
getting
back
on
schedule
because
quite
clearly,
we've
lost
six
months.
A
A
We
need
to
bring
all
that
to
the
various
working
groups
david,
so
they
can
be
responded
so
and
members
can
get
sight
of
everything
and
and
contribute,
as
they
rightly
should
do
so
yeah,
so
yeah
we
will
get
on
with
things
and
so
polly
will
be
circling
all
the
details
of
all
the
working
groups
to
to
members
and
also
bear
in
mind
to
your
respective
political
groups.
A
Please
bear
in
mind
that
we
said
at
the
start
setting
up
cia
whilst
there
is
a
membership
to
the
full
committee
that
you
can
all
see
playing
celebrity
squares
today,
the
working
groups
are
open
to
all
elected
members
of
council
and
I
think
there's
such
a
diversity
of
experience
within
within
us
as
councils
that
if
people
could,
you
know,
get
other
members
of
their
group
to
come
along
to
the
ones
that
they're
interested
I
said
come
along
to
join
in.
Please
do
so.
A
There
is
a
breadth
of
experience
that
we
really
want
to
tap
into
as
a
council.
So
that's
working
groups
if
no
one's
getting
council
bucky.
Of
course.
Yes,
we
there's
a
few
castle
colleges.
A
Am
I
not
seeing
the
hands
popping
up
hang
on
a
minute
anyway,
council
buckley?
First
then,
council,
collins
and
councillor
bentley.
F
Yeah
thanks
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
transport
if
I
could
yep,
which
obviously
polly
touched
on
and
just
a
couple
of
things
there.
Obviously,
from
six
months
ago,
the
situation
with
transport
could
not
be
more
different
if
we'd,
if
we'd
thought
about
it
and
from
a
situation
of
wanting
an
increase
in
patronage
on
buses
and
trains,
particularly
buses.
F
We've
just
got
into
an
opposite
situation
where
we're
completely
at
the
opposite
end
of
the
spectrum,
and
I
suspect
that,
as
things
well,
I
hope,
relax
slightly
over
the
next
six
months
rather
than
the
previous
six
months.
F
It
will
give
us
an
opportunity
to
find
out
what
can
be
done
about
public
transport
to
get
those
customers,
patronage
figures
going
up
in
the
right
direction
eventually,
and
just.
Secondly-
and
this
is
just
a
question
really
as
to
how
we're
going
to
monitor
things
with
the
cycling
and
walking
schemes
which
have
been
installed
or
are
going
to
be-
there's
been
quite
a
bit
of
national
controversy
about
some
schemes
which
have
apparently
actually
contributed
to
more
pollution
and
so
on.
F
And
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
definitely
robust
about
monitoring
this
so
that
we
don't
end
up
achieving
the
opposite
to
what
we
actually
set
out
to
do.
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
noted-
I
mean
rather
than
going
to
launch
into
a
long
debate
here,
because
we've
got
members.
You
know
members
of
the
probably
wanted
to
contribute
in
these
various
sections.
Take
note
of
your
transport
issues,
raise
neil
and
get
back
to
you
on
those
I
think
yeah
there's
so
there's
an
awful
lot
going
on
particularly
regards
to
active
travel
and
cycle
schemes.
A
I
haven't
come
across
any
cycle
teams
making
the
situation
worse,
but
if
you've
got
ones
to
to
offer
up
to
me
as
chair
and
and
polly
can
look
at
it.
As
my
lead
officer,
then
by
all
means
we
will
do
and
transport
colleagues
as
well
is
that
okay
yeah,
I'm
just
aware
rather
well
just
rather
than
going
down
the
rabbit
hole
of
multiple
debates.
Colleagues,
we
are
on
a
zoomie
and
I
wouldn't
keep
it
to
about
two
hours
and
we've
got
a
lot
to
hear
from
so
council
collins.
C
Yep,
thank
you.
Chad.
I
just
wanted
to
support.
Polly
really
hit
a
mode,
but
I'm
hoping
there'll
be.
A
lot
of
positives
will
come
out
of
that.
Not
just
a
full
stop.
D
A
No,
we
can
do
that,
we
need,
we
need
to
respond
in
detail,
but
yeah
council
illinois.
A
Oh,
don't
worry,
folks,
we'll
all
be
emailed
out
in
some
detail:
council,
bentley
and
council
illinois.
You
still
got
your
hands
up
so
calm
down.
Thank
you
right,
okay
right!
Next,
I
want
to
move
on
to
item
nine,
which
is
the
climate
action
fund
and
the
community
projects
in
leeds.
A
So
rather
than
listen
to
a
preamble
on
this
rather
excellent
work
from
myself,
I
think
I'll
hand
over
to
paul
chatterton
paul.
You
want
to
introduce
yourself
and
and
and
talk
to
us
that'd,
be
great
hi.
Everyone.
N
Glad
to
be
here
thanks
for
the
time
I
am
I'm
one
of
the
people
who
helped
to
create
an
organization.
That's
called
our
future
leads
and
we've
over
the
last
18
months,
been
creating
a
citizen-led
response
to
the
climate
emergency
and
we
helped
to
submit
an
application
to
the
national
lottery
and
we
won.
So
I've
got
a
short
powerpoint
presentation.
N
I'd
like
to
talk
through
with
you,
because
this
is
a
really
big
deal
for
leads,
and
we
to
put
lead
city,
council
and
officers
and
elected
members
at
the
heart
of
what
we're
doing
so.
I've
I've
sent
to
harry
a
powerpoint
presence.
I
could
share
my
screen
if
somebody
makes
me
a
co-host
and.
B
You
should
be
able
to
do
it
now
paul.
Do
you
have
the
share
screen
button
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen?
Great.
N
N
It's
about
two
hours,
long,
no,
it's
I'll
take
about
10,
minutes
yeah
and
then
we'll
ask
some
questions:
yeah,
that's
fine!
Yeah,
yeah!
It's
not
a
lecture!
Well,
yeah,
not
an
online
lecture!
So
here
we
are
the
climate
emerging.
Are
you
sure,
actually
yeah
yeah?
I
promise
you
community
action
program.
So
that's
our
working
time,
we'll
get
a
better
title
as
we
start
this.
So
there's
what
is
this
and
what
does
it
mean
for
us
and
you
it's
major
news
for
leads.
We
won.
N
We
applied
to
the
national
lottery's
climate
action
program.
There
were
several
hundred
initial
expressions
of
interest,
got
down
to
60.
We
got
down
to
the
last
five
and
and
they
fought
they
funded.
They
funded
about
a
dozen
projects
of
various
sizes.
We
were
the
we
were
one
of
I
think,
two
or
three
which
were
funded
at
this
incredible
level
of
2.5
million
pounds.
So
we've
just
brought
2.5
million
pounds
to
the
city
of
leeds
over
the
next
five
years.
N
N
So
you
can
have
a
look
at
the
detailed
application
because
there's
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
detail
here
and-
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
take
time
off
at
this
committee
meeting
so
there's
five
league
partners
which
I'm
going
to
mention
over
four
work
packages,
but
there's
40
new
posts
here
to
be
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
people
working
on
this
across
the
city
across
when
we're
fully
up
and
running
16
community
hubs,
dispensing
400
000
pounds
of
direct
community
grants
to
tackle
what
we
call
the
climate
and
social
justice
emergencies
yeah,
and
it's
all
based
around
what
we're
calling
this
leeds
climate
round
table,
which
we
want
to
create
and
get
everything
involved
in.
N
So
it's
based
on
lee's
strengths
because
obviously
we're
walking
on
the
shoulders
of
giants
here.
There's
a
huge
amount
of
stuff
happening
right
over
over
us.
You
know
what
going
some
there's
a
snapshot,
there's
amazing
stuff
happening,
and
while
we're
doing
this,
many
of
the
things
why
this
committee
exists
is
exactly
why
we're
doing
this
yeah.
Everything
from
you
strike
to
greg
dunberg
to
the
scientific
reports
behind
the
cop
15
and
ipcc
reports,
exchange
rebellion,
but
also
the
declarations
by
local
authorities
which
have
been
cascading
across
the
world
right
with
two-thirds
of
local
authorities.
N
Now
in
the
uk,
declaring
climate
emergencies
a
really
exciting
period
to
to
be
in
so
look,
we've
got
five
league
partners,
one
not
appointed
at
the
moment,
so
voluntary
action
leads
is
our
local
trusted
partner,
so
they
were
the
main
applicant.
So
we're
really
privileged
to
have
voluntary
action
leads
in
our
city
right
who
can
leave
these
kinds
of
bids
leeds
title
and
they're
running
a
big
work
package,
but
the
leeds
title?
If
you
don't
know
them,
they
really
specialize
on
tr.
They
stand
for
trading,
justice
and
development
of
leads.
N
They
really
focus
on
issues
of
global
justice
and
social
justice,
really
great
stuff,
they're
doing
and
together
for
peace.
You
might
know
them
from
things
like
the
poverty,
truth,
commission
and
ourselves.
Our
future
leads
to
the
citizens
network
and
and
the
coming
soon
one
is
we're
going
to
commission
somebody
to
run
the
learning
work
package
yeah,
which
we
we're
now
now
we're
up
and
running.
So
we've
just
started
in
september,
so
literally
the
five
years
has
just
started
now,
but
we've
got
a
huge
support
base.
N
Here's
you
know
a
snapshot
almost
of
of
our
broader
support
gates.
People
who
supported
and
developed
helped
develop
our
application
because,
as
you
know,
in
leeds,
we've
got
a
massive
support
base
of
social,
environmental
and
community-based
groups
who
are
doing
amazing,
stuff,
transforming
the
city
across
the
research,
business,
community
and
public
sectors.
So
our
approach,
it's
science
informed.
We
know
this
is
a
climate
emergency.
We
don't
have
to
go
into
too
much,
but
we
know
there's
a
10
12
year
challenge.
N
We
must
get
to
some
kind
of
zero
carbon
balancing
by
the
2030s
to
hold
global
temperatures
to
no
more
than
1.5
degrees
right
of
global
warming
above
pre-industrial
level.
That's
a
massive
task
and
to
do
it
in
a
socially
just
way
through
climate
justice
right
and
ensuring
a
quality
for
all.
So
this
is
a
mammoth
task.
We
know
our
carbon
budget
as
a
city
right.
We
know
it's
40
million
tons.
We
know
we're
eating
it
into
it
at
a
rate
of
four
million
tons
a
year.
N
N
We
can
all
get
behind
to
give
us
a
safe
and
just
future,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
about
building
building
power
back
in
communities
who
feel
very
disempowered
with
many
things
and
engaging
from
where
they
are
right
now,
but
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
be
about
testing
and
learning
what
solutions
do
we
need
to
make
this?
This
humongous
turn
turn
of
events.
None
of
us
know
exactly
what
would
be
doing
it.
N
So,
there's
a
real
test
to
learn,
project
and
there's
a
movement
building
aspect
here
that
we
need
to
mobilize
the
city.
There's
700
000
people
in
this,
it's
immobilized
behind
this
agenda,
and
we
want
to
really
try
to
embed
with
you
some
deeper
levels
of
democracy
and
understanding
some
of
the
stuff
we
did
in
the
climate
jury
right
in
terms
of
how
do
we
mobilize
a
large
city
behind
this
transformative-
and
I
must
stress,
transformative
and
not
piecemeal
action,
because
piecemeal
action
won't
get
us
over
the
hurdle
over
the
next
dozen
years.
N
N
We
want
to
create
a
really
connected
informed
city
based
around
these
community,
how
our
blood
is
based
around
creating
these
community
hubs
right,
which
can
take
effective
action,
support
communities
to
take
effective
action
on
the
climate
emergency
to
create
a
more
just,
fair
and
green
leads
by
the
2030s,
and
we
want
these
community
helps
to
be
really
well
networked
and
supported,
and
they
all
kind
of
create
their
own
individual
community
action
plans
in
their
own
right
which
join
together
to
create
a
bigger
city
plan
yeah.
N
That
is
our
aim,
cross
sector,
community
embedded
and-
and
it
speaks
to
the
evidence
agenda.
It
all
fits
together
in
in
a
perfect
way,
or
at
least
to
start
with,
and
and
so
we
all
played
all
the
different
work
packages.
I
mentioned
play
different
roles,
and
you
can
read
much
more
about
this
in
in
the
full
application.
I'm
really
happy
to
talk
to
groups
of
you
together,
individuals,
and
what
might
this
mean
for
your
patch
at
different
times?
So
you
can
certainly
just
drop
me.
N
N
What
we
call
the
city
round
table
yeah,
where
different
sectors
can
come
together
and
meet
and
share
right
across
all
this
and
then
we're
going
to
have
a
partnership
board
a
climate
assembly
round
table,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
gonna
have
a
scrutiny
panel.
So
there's
lots
going
on
lots
of
lots
of
eyes
on
this
lots
of
discussions,
lots
of
building
in
democracy,
yeah
and
I'm
not
gonna,
go
so
what
we're
gonna
achieve
in
five
years.
But
certainly
you
know,
the
headline
is
zero.
Carbon
sources.
N
Just
livable
leads
yeah,
well
connected
citizenry,
active
communities
that
can
really
take
on
this
change:
agenda,
yeah
and
they're,
really
working
partnership
and
hoping
replicating
sharing,
learning
right
across
leeds
west
yorkshire.
You
name
it
some
more
detail
on
the
work
package
which
I'm
not
going
to
go
into,
but
just
you
know,
for
the
headline
work
package
runs
volunteer
action
leads
work
package,
two
is
our
future
leads
and
work
package.
Three
is
together
for
peace
work
package
four
is
tidal.
A
Thank
you
very
much
paul.
That
was
very
impressive.
I
can
see
why
you're
successful
there's
a
lot
of
breadth
and
depth
and
scope
to
that.
Do
we
got
any
questions
for
paul
to
start
with
then
councilman,
herron,
yep
and
then
council
bucky.
B
Sorry,
it
mine's
not
really
a
question
more
of
a
comment.
I
supported
the
bids.
National
lottery
fund
wrote
a
letter
for
support
behalf
of
myself
in
the
council,
and
I
had
an
interview
with
one
of
the
panel
that
was
making
decisions
over
the
funding
and
they
were
very
very
impressed
with
the
work
that
we'd
already
done
with
the
citizens
jury
in
leeds
and
the
approach
that
we'd
taken
there
of
trying
to
work
with
and
engage
leads
citizens.
So
rather
than
doing
two
or
four
working
with
people.
B
So
I
think
that's
a
very
key
part
of
the
success
here
that
approach
of
working
in
local
communities
and
kind
of
building
up
that
grass
roots
movement.
So
it
is
a
leap
of
faith
for
us
as
councillors,
and
I
think
that's
fair
to
say,
but
I
think
it's
one
that
kind
of
builds
on
our
work.
A
I
completely
agree
it's
it's.
It's
really
strong,
so
councillors,
buckley
ray
and
collins,
so
neil
first.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
One
of
the
great
things
about
sitting
on
this
committee
is
that
you
learn
phrases
from
time
to
time
that
you've
never
heard
before
and
it's
it's
a
process
of
education,
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
paul
what
is
deep.
Democracy.
N
That's
right:
well,
we'll
have
a
session
on
that.
That's
fantastic!
I
mean,
I
suppose
what
we're
looking
at
is.
How
do
we
go
beyond
representative
democracy?
We've
got
it
and
engage
more
people
in
decision
making
the
things
that
affect
their
lives
yeah,
and
so
what
what
mechanisms
can
we
can?
We
establish
a
subway
level,
yet
a
community
level
where
people
can
engage
more
effectively
with
you
as
world
representatives,
yeah
things
like
the
citizens
juries.
N
You
know
things
like
popular
assemblies
things
like
participatory
budgeting,
other
mechanisms
through
which
people
feel
empowered
to
gain
trust
in
their
lecture
representatives,
engage
in
the
formal
political
process
and
I
must
say
just
the
one
way
of
locked
this
in
as
well
as
we
I
must.
One
thing
I
had
forgot,
which
had
to
mention
is
we're
seconding,
a
member
of
police
team
to
the
program
one
day
a
week
for
five
years,
so
there's
a
real
lock
in
there
of
staff.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
on
that
formal
basis.
I
Thank
you
jen.
Actually,
it's
it's
a
very
similar
question
from
council
buckley's
and
it's
it's
and
I've
raised
his
commitment
before
it's
how
you
reach
those
disenfranchised
groups
that
actually
don't
want
to
participate,
not
necessarily
knowing
that
the
wrong
phrase
have
significant
other
concerns
that
actually
mean
they
won't
participate
because
of
those
concerns,
and
I
suppose
it
goes
to
that
democracy.
I
I
mean
obviously
there's
a
feeling
from
this
that
actually
something
needs
to
change
to
make
this
happen
to
engage
some
of
the
most
distant
franchise
groups,
which
many
of
the
people
on
this
committee
represent.
I
suppose,
what's
your
initial,
I
suppose
it's
going
to
be
a
bit
of
a
contentious
question.
I
Where
do
you
think
we
failed
as
an
initial
question,
to
think
that
we
actually
need
to
reevaluate
and
look
at
this
and
change
that
method
of
engagement,
because,
obviously
to
say
we
need
to
have
a
deeper
democracy,
there's
a
there's,
a
feeling
of
failure
somewhere
and
what?
What
do
you
think
is
the
essence
of
that.
N
Well,
I
think,
lee
I
think
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
different
done
in
leeds
than
the
general
uk
situation.
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
there's
an
element
of
rebuilding
trust
between
the
public
and
and
any
kind
of
elected
citizen
yeah
and
in
even
like
board,
members
of
private
or
public
corporations
yeah,
and
I
think
I
think
it's
just
rebuilding
that
trust
is
a
key
thing
and
I
think
it's
about
for
me.
N
There's
one
key
thing
here
right:
it's
about
narrowing
the
the
evidence
action
gap,
because
what
people
are
aware
of
is
that
here's
the
evidence,
here's
what
we're
doing
doesn't
match.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
much
more
honest
about
what
we
need
to
do.
N
A
Good
answer:
no
that's
really
helpful.
Paul
council
ray
does
do
some
very,
very
good
work
on
social
media
council,
collins.
C
Thank
you,
chair
mine's,
along
the
same
lines.
Again,
really,
I
think
everybody
listening
in
today
or
or
attending
this
meeting
today
is
on
board
and
appreciates
that
there
is
a
serious
issue
that
we've
got
to
work
with,
or
work
towards
solving.
In
my
ward
in
horsworth,
I
would
say
at
the
moment
that
the
majority
are
not
disengaged
but
aren't
really
focused
on
this.
We
have.
C
We
have
public
meetings,
councillor
schemer
taylor
and
I
do
have
public
meetings
when
there
are
issues
such
as
developing
greenbelt
sites
and
things,
but
we
still
get
a
large
percentage
of
people
who
don't
really
see
it
as
a
major
issue.
For
example,
we've
got
an
issue
at
the
moment
where
officers
today
brought
forward
plans
for
horses
hall
park
and
they
were
planning
to
put
trees
in
the
majority
of
our
open
spaces.
C
C
So
my
sort
of
plea
to
paul
is:
how
can
your
group
work
with
counselors
like
myself,
to
gradually
bring
people
on
board
and
to
gradually
show
them
that
we
do
need
to
do
more
and
more
within
the
city,
because
if
we
use
this
word
democracy
and
we
went
out
for
a
vote
today-
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
that
the
group
here
and
and
paul
support
groups
would
want
would
get
voted
down.
It's
somehow.
How
do
we
improve
this?
How
do
we
improve
the
change?
C
How
do
we
improve
people's
perception
of
what
the
reality
actually
is
without
lecturing
them,
without
forcing
things
down
their
throat?
We've
got
to
bring
more
people
on
board
somehow.
So,
even
if
it's
just
consultation
on
the
park
in
hospital,
how
can
we
actually
improve
that
and
bring
people
to
accept
that
we
do
need
more
relaxed
mowing
and
more
trees.
N
I
think
that
deserves
a
longer
answer
than
we've
got
time
for
you
know,
but
headlines.
I
think
I'll
go
back
to
this
idea
of
you
know
a
deeper
popular
planning
process
where
people
who
feel
involved,
not
just
in
like
responding
to
responding
to
to
to
suggestions
but
also
being
involved
in
that
co-creating.
Those
suggestions,
yeah
and
I
think,
starting
from
the
live
deck
experience
of
where
people
are
at,
I
think,
is
a
key
thing
today.
So
the
popular
education
process
that
the
jury
went
through
remember
this
climate
jury
within
nine
weeks.
N
They
they
were
pretty
satisfied
with
how
they
understood
these
shoes
and
therefore
came
up
with
a
basket
of
solutions
appropriate
to
that
challenge
keeps
coming
back
to
say
popular
planning
process
where
you
match
the
challenge
to
the
solutions
to
the
actions
you
you're
proposing
and
people
get
it.
If
you
start
throwing
out
actions
without
clarifying
to
them
what
the
challenge
is,
they
just
think
that
they're
being
told
what
to
do,
but
it's
like
what
you
do
in
your
own
household,
around
the
kitchen
table,
you
say
the
the
things
bust.
N
What
we
gonna
do,
you
know,
name
the
challenge
and
respond
with
an
appropriate
solution.
You
know
people
get
on
board
with
it,
so
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
about
telling
the
truth
thing
as,
as
you
know,
why
do
we
all
get
involved
in
politics
or
community
activism
yeah?
It's
because
we
want
to
we.
We
want
to
use
serious
public
policy
mechanisms
to
change
the
world
for
good,
so
it's
about
being
proud
about
that
and
taking
that
to
these
public
meetings.
N
This
is
why
we're
proposing
these
changes,
because
international
national
governments
tell
us
these
big
crises
and
crickey.
We've
got
to
do
this
on
our
patch
and
it
takes
a
while
right
because
we've
left
through
decades
of
people
being
misinformed
and
distracted
and
busy
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
we
haven't,
got
any
magic
solutions,
but
we'll
have
a
great
five-year
crack
at
it.
C
C
So
that's
where
the
education
and
the
communication
on
the
ground
to
everybody
in
our
town
or
city
has
got
to
happen
as
soon
as
possible,
and
I
think
those
people
who
do
see
the
headlines
who
do
find
it
of
interest
to
them
have
picked
up
that
there
is
a
serious
concern,
but
it's
those
ones
that
priorities
getting
the
kids
to
school,
their
jobs
and
everything
else
that
I'm
just
a
little
bit
worried
about.
A
Thank
thanks,
council
collins,
now
that
this
is
in
no
way
criticism
of
any
speakers
in
this
panel,
but
we
have
an
awful
lot
to
go
through
and
there
are,
as
as
paul
said,
this
is
a
five-year
process,
there's
an
awful
lot.
We
can
talk
about
for
future
sessions
for
other
meetings
and
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
the
zoom
era.
Oh
god,
I've
called
it
an
era
that
makes
it
longer
is
that
we
can
do.
We
can
organize
things
quite
easily
and
I'd
be
very
happy
to
chair
and
facilitate
any
further
sessions.
A
We
need
on
this
folks
there's
a
lot
to
go
at
so
with
brevity
in
mind,
I've
got
I've,
got
everyone,
who's
got
their
hands
up.
I've
got
you
down,
so
don't
worry,
but
with
brevity
in
mind,
councillor
bentley.
D
Thank
you,
chad,
you
know,
brevity
is
my
middle
name.
Oh
absolutely,
I
think
we're
all
probably
thinking
around
the
same,
the
same
issues
in
and
I'll,
try,
I'll
try
and
pitch
in
perhaps
a
different
way.
What
I
was
so
pleased
with
seeing
that
presentation
is
it
it
was
community-based
it.
It
was
something
that
gone
out
and
sort
of
bottom-up
for
for
one
of
a
better
word,
which
is
great.
The
other
thing
is,
I
remember
this
committee
and
unless
I'm
missing
something
tremendous
I
didn't
know
this
was
going
on.
D
N
What
value
does
the
council
add?
Well,
I
mean
listen:
you're
you're
you're,
the
massive
municipal
power
that
guides
and
steers
and
regulates
700
000
people
like
you
are
the
key
to
our
future.
Like
your
elected
representatives,
you
have
regulatory
power
over
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
that
make
people's
lives
better.
You
can
create
a
narrative
about
what's
the
future
of
a
city.
What
is
what
what
are
we
here
for
right?
The
the
leads
lisa's
developed
over
hundreds
of
years,
because
there's
been
a
municipal
authorities
who
wanted
to
shape
this
thing
called
leads
right.
N
So,
like
you
can
create
conversations,
you
can
marshal
resources.
You
can
talk
to
the
government,
you
can
sit
in
a
combined
authority.
I
mean
that's
what
you
are.
I
mean
you,
make
major
public
policy
decisions
and
have
democratic
debates
between
people
of
different
political
and
same
views.
So
you're.
You
know,
okay,.
D
D
I
may
not
be
expressing
that
very
well,
but
I,
I
think,
there's
a
huge
transfer
of
power
if
you
like
that,
could
be
established
to
community
initiatives
like
this
I'll
I'll
leave
it
at
that
for
property
share.
We
probably
talk
about
it
for
a
long
time.
A
Yeah,
well,
I
think,
as
paul
just
answered
really
succinctly.
Well
I
mean
having
the
legal
powers
to
do
many.
Many
many
things
is
always
essential
to
how
tower
city
operates.
Consider
yourself,
part
of
the
glue
council
of
bentley
in
how
a
an
800
year
old
city
like
leeds,
operates.
Councilman
council,
mislee.
H
H
People
at
a
local
level
to
find.
B
E
Shazad,
I
do
that's,
it
got
me
mute
off.
I
think
this
was
a
very,
very
encouraging
paper.
This
report
is
done.
Certainly
paul
can
expect
an
email
from
me
shortly,
inviting
him
to
come
and
talk
to
our
group
about
that
about
what
he's
trying
to
do,
but
I
think
what
might
well
be
needed
is
some
engagement
with
community
committees.
E
I
mean
that
is
the
lowest
tier
of
of
our
council,
and
it
is
something
we
try
and
say:
try
we
try
to
involve
our
communities
through
that,
and
I
I
think
that
that
may
be
the
tier
we
need
to
direct
some
of
this
through.
So,
if
paul
could
speak
to
some
of
the
some
of
the
community
committees,
that
would
be.
A
Good
yeah!
No,
no!
I
agree.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
and
also
it's
a
case
of
having
a
regular
uptight,
update
item
with
us
here
going
forward
over
the
next
next
few
years.
I
think
that'd
be
excellent.
Okay,
last
one
on
this
item,
counselor
shahzad.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
jeff.
I
would
like
to
first
of
all
thank
paul
and
the
rest
of
his
team
yourself
as
chair
and
councillor
lisa
mulherin,
for
getting
this
through
and
for
getting
the
funding
to
lead
city
council.
I
I
think
that's
that's
great
for
this
project
and
as
far
as
the
local
hopes
are
concerned,
I
think
the
idea
of
getting
your
local
bloom
groups
involved,
plus
your
faith
groups
involved
and,
unlike
council
blackmon
said
that
could
be
probably
done
through
the
community
committees,
and
the
thing
is
this:
is
the
issue
is
not
met
so
much
in
the
wards
that
are
kind
of
well
off.
It's
it's
in
the
wards.
I
For
example,
if
you
take
gipton
and
hair
hills,
they've
got
really
good
now
in
bloom
group
and
they're
looking
at
things,
but
they
think
that
the
council
sometimes
are
doing
things
such
as
pollution,
like
a
certain
project,
has
increased
the
pollution
in
an
area,
so
they
feel
disenfranchised,
whereas
they
think
in
the
areas.
For
example,
the
idea
I
represent
in
more
town
people
are
very
happy
with
the
idea
of
extra
planting
trees
because
they
see
everything
is
working
in
their
benefit.
I
I
think
it's
getting
getting
it
through
to
those
working
class
people
on
the
lower
incomes,
the
ones
that
are
most
in
need
of
this
environment
as
well,
because
if
you
go
the
further
out
you
go,
the
environment
is
a
lot
better
like
in
council
buckley's
area.
So
I
I
think
that
community
engagement
is
really
important
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
have
a
conversation
with
paul.
I,
like
council,
paul
ray
said
we
do
need
to
have
a
mix
mix
opinion
on
this
just
a
bit
like
the
citizens,
climate
committee.
I
A
No
not
at
all
it's
it's
interesting,
because
we've
got
we've
got
awards
like
a
lot
of
iron
awards
like
I
represent
that
are
still
dealing
with
the
consequences
of
the
19th
century,
let
alone
the
20th.
So
I
think
it's
important.
We
have
these
different
different
projects,
different
roles
and
different
education
efforts
as
well.
Although
to
be
fair,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
in
my
award
would
absolutely
lap
up
everything
that
paul's
talked
about
today.
A
I
think
this
is
this:
is
a
project
with
headingley
and
hyde
park
stamped
all
over
it,
so
we'll
be
looking
to
be
very
much
involved
right.
That's
been
really
helpful.
Paul
really
appreciate
that.
Obviously,
you've
heard
a
lot
from
members
officers
will
have
taken
notes
on
everything.
That's
come
up.
I
think.
Obviously
this
is
the
the
next
step
and
it's
an
early
step
in
a
long
process
we'll
be
working
together.
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
it.
A
As
a
members
of
the
members
of
ciac,
I
think
yeah,
a
regular
standing
item,
update
we'll
talk,
we'll
sort
out
the
logistics
and
the
practicalities
of
all
of
this,
but
it
is
fantastic
and
again
and
well
done
for
being
successful.
That's
such
a
huge
opportunity
for
leads
and
you're
most
welcome
to
stay
for
the
rest
of
our
meeting.
But
if
you
you
disappear,
we
won't
think
olivia.
Everyone
does
a
lot
of
zoom
meetings,
but
you
know
stay
if
you
want
right.
So
just
let
me
get
to
my
gender
folks.
A
So
a
gender
item
tends
to
sustainable
food
systems,
so
this
is
pages
11
and
to
12
in
your
pack.
So
we've
got
some
excellent
speakers
for
this,
so
we've
got
paolo
tom,
sonja
and
andy
goldring
from
the
permaculture
association,
and
I've
not
mentioned
your
organization
soon.
So
if
you
want
to
just
introduce
yourselves
and
where
you're
from
that'd
be
great
and
then
how
you
do
things
is
up
to
you.
Folks.
L
Thank
you
very
much
chair,
I'm
tom,
bliss
and
I'll
be
leading
the
the
presentation,
and
actually
three
of
us
have
been
involved
in
what
paul
was
just
talking
about
and
there's
actually
quite
a
lot
of
crossover
here.
Some
of
you
know
me
already
I
I
know
councillor
garth
wakes,
some
on
the
these
parts
and
green
spaces,
foreign
committee,
so
there's
a
big
overlap
between
the
food
and
the
biodiversity
etc.
L
B
L
B
Thank
you
very
much
tom.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
for
the
for
the
invitation,
so
I
am
paula
sakai
and
I
am
a
ukraine,
research
and
innovation,
fellow
working
at
the
university
of
leeds
and
in
my
fellowship
in
the
last
two
years
and
something
I
have
been
developing
tools
and
trying
to
to
see
how
leads
can
increase
its
climate
resilience.
So
I'm
really
really
happy
to
be
here
and,
and
we
have
been
working
in
several
things
and
yeah
like
with
the
the
the
work
that
the
poll
it's
about
to
start.
L
It
looks
like
andy
goldring
hasn't
managed
to
make
us
make
it.
He
said
he
was
just
going
to
join
us
later
on.
He
may
he
may
turn
up
in
the
middle.
Now
I'm
going
to
try
this
I'm
going.
If
it's
all
right
with
you,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
open
up
a
presentation.
Let's
hope
it
works,
and
so,
if
I
do
this
she's
just
coming
now,
and
then
this
okay,
I
did
try
this
the
other
day.
So
if
I
give
you,
let
me
see.
L
What
are
you
seeing
there?
You
should
actually
be
seeing
a
different
screen.
There
are
you
seeing
the
the
the
main
output
of
the
powerpoint
there?
You
are
good,
okay,
good
all
right,
so
you
have
you.
Have
there
some
of
the
organizations
behind
this
policy
brief
and,
and
the
four
of
us
there's
actually
a
lot
more
people
involved
in
this.
L
Hopefully,
if
I
click
on
this,
it
should
move
on
here
we
go
and
I'm
just
going
to
start
with
the
quotation
from
tim
benton,
who
is
also
involved,
although
not
directly
in
this
part
of
the
process.
Governments
and
local
authorities
have
not
tended
to
see
food
as
a
public
good,
so
have
left
provision
largely
to
the
private
sector
and
market
forces,
but
the
kovid
pandemic
has
shown
just
how
vulnerable
cities
are
and
while
leads
cope
magnificently.
L
On
this
occasion,
the
lockdown
sounded
a
claxson
for
the
looming
challenge
of
brexit
and
more
alarming
climate
change,
which
is
already
putting
global
food
production
and
distribution
under
threat,
while
also
demanding
reductions
in
carbon
emissions,
plastics
and
waste.
Now
is
the
time
to
look
at
the
evidence
and
introduce
of
robust
measures
to
ensure
a
resilient,
sustainable
and
benign
food
supply
for
the
citizens
of
leeds
and
leeds
city
council
needs
to
be
front
and
center
of
that
effort.
L
So
these
are
the
sort
of
this
is
the
summary
we'll
come
back
to
these
in
a
moment,
but
we,
this
is
what
we
found,
that
a
resilient,
healthy
and
sustainable
food
supply
should
be
viewed
as
as
a
matter
of
public
good
as
it
underpins
public
health,
social
equality
and
environmental
equality.
That's
quite
a
big
change.
It's
a
bit
of
a
sea
change.
It's
just
not
been
on
the
agenda
really
before
leeds
has
plenty
of
farmland,
expertise,
innovation
and
excellent
practice,
and
so
minimal
interventions
could
deliver
major
changes
and
benefits.
L
We're
not
asking
for
lots
of
money.
Here.
We
recommend
that
leed
city
council
sets
up
a
high
profile
task
force
led
by
a
senior
officer,
that's
important
to
work
with
local
stakeholders
to
create
a
local,
sustainable
food
brand,
improve
access
to
land
for
growers,
strengthen
economic
measures,
to
support
a
vibrant
local
food
ecosystem
and
promote
education
and
skill
development.
L
So
obviously,
we're
doing
this
in
the
context
of
a
climate
emergency,
but
the
point
about
food
is
is
completely
based
around
plants,
so
we
have
to
be
aware
of
the
wider
issues
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
climate
change,
it's
what
we
would
talk
about
the
planetary
boundaries.
This
is
from
the
stockholm
resilience
center
there's
actually,
some
more
now
which
have
been
identified.
We
have
to
start
thinking
about
keeping
within
those
limits,
as
well
as
the
climate
targets.
L
It's
worth
just
pointing
out
in
case
you're,
not
aware
that
the
50
of
food
consumed
in
the
uk
is
produced
within
this
country,
another
30
within
the
eu.
So
there's
a
question
there
around
brexit
and
if
you
look
at
the
comparison
on
the
right
between
important
exports,
you
see
that
it's
only
beverage
which
er
where
the
uk
supersedes
exports
with
imports.
So
there's
some
quite
interesting
dichotomies
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
global
coming
down
to
leads
what
we've
been
doing
just
to
explain.
L
We've
been
deliberately
for
the
sake
of
exercise,
ignoring
the
national
picture,
we're
going
straight
from
global
to
local
in
order
to
really
look
at
what
the
threats
are.
And,
of
course,
I
don't
need
to
remind
you
about
the
problem
with
food
waste.
Third
of
all
food
is
wasted,
and
if
food
waste
was
a
country,
it
would
rank
third
behind
the
usa
and
china
in
terms
of
emissions.
L
Obviously,
you're
aware
of
the
fact
that
most
of
the
food
that
comes
aboard
is
coming
from
very
far
away,
there's
a
whole
issue
of
food
miles
to
be
considered
and
also
the
fact
about
bread
baskets
around
the
world.
So
there
are
some
key
areas
around
the
world
where
a
lot
of
the
food
is
being
produced,
and
this
is
something
that
we
got
from
tim
and
there's
various
times
that
some
of
those
bread
baskets
have
been
under
really
severe
threat,
mainly
from
climate,
but
not
only
from
climate.
L
There's
conflicts
and
other
things
as
well,
and
sometimes
there's
been
a
few
occasions
when
they've
all
or
most
of
them
been
under
threat.
At
the
same
time,
this
really
does
start
to
set
the
alarm
bells
ringing
and
when
you
add
into
that
the
fact
that
all
of
this
food
is
being
shuttled
around
the
world
by
ship
and
by
aircraft-
that's
all
great.
It
says
there
that
graphic.
I
found
a
booming
shipping
network,
but
the
work
that
tim
is
involved
with
at
chatham
house
is
particularly
looking
at
what
we
call
choke
points.
L
These
are
the
areas
where
there
are
possibilities
of
serious
interruptions
to
supply,
so
you
might
get
a
a
problem
with
conflict
or
something
like
that
in
one
area-
and
I
remember
tim
telling
me
that
he
was
talking
to
some
people
in
the
food
industry
about
how
how
they
bring
their
food
around
through
the
sewers
canal.
He
said
what
happens
the
sewers
canal
is
is
stopped,
he
said.
Well,
it's
fine.
We
just
go
around
africa.
L
He
said
well
that
introduced
a
six
week
delay
into
your
supply
chain
and
at
that
point,
that
guy
went
a
bit
white
because
he
realized
that
you
know
the
situation
is
much
more
fragile
than
people
realize
it's
all
good,
but
it
might
not
be
good
very
soon.
So
we've
got
to
think
about
these
and
of
course,
I
don't
need
to
remind
you
about
the
two
big
issues
on
the
table
which
really
put
a
lens
on
this
or
two
lenses
brexit
and
the
pandemic.
L
We've
had
a
little
bit
of
a
wobble
already
because
of
covid,
and
we
haven't
seen
the
end
of
it.
This
is,
I
think,
the
most
important
slide
of
all,
which
is
one
that
I
always
use
again.
It
came
from
tim.
This
is
the
correlation
between
the
price
of
food
and
food
riots
and
unrest
in
the
streets.
You
see,
the
the
red
lines
are
where
there
have
been
people
killed,
and
then
the
price
of
grain
and
there's
a
direct
correlation.
So
when
people
can't
get
food,
they
very
quickly
become
very
unhappy.
L
Let's
put
it
no
stronger
than
that.
This
is
the
slide
which
really
started
our
journey
with
feed
leads.
It
shows
woodhouse
more
shortly
after
world
war
ii
and,
of
course,
we
all
remember
the
dig
for
victory.
So
we
do
know
that
you
can
produce
a
lot
of
food
within
cities
because
they
did
it
not
very
long
ago,
not
necessarily
going
to
go
right
back
to
that
now,
but
it's
worth
bearing
that
in
mind
throughout
what
I'm
going
to
say,
but
we've
carried
on
all
the
way
through
the
last
10
years.
L
We've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
this,
so
this
is
not
something
that's
come
out
of.
The
blue
we've
been
running
our
think
tanks.
We've
been
running
various
bits
of
research.
We've
looked
into
how
much
land
we
would
need
to
actually
feed
leeds.
This
is
something
that
andy
did
with
the
permaculture
association.
We
did
another
exercise.
Various
students
have
done
things
at
both
universities
and
the
leeds
food
strategy,
which
ran
from
2006
elapsed
in
2010.
This
is
one
of
the
major
catalysts
for
starting
on
feed
leads
and
its
subsequent
organizations.
L
So
we've
been
through
a
process
forming
feed
leads,
there's
a
deputation
to
council,
which
sonja
and
andy
actually
did
in
2014.
Then
we
did
the
lee's
food
audit,
which
was
commissioned
by
the
council
and
the
result
of
that
we
formed
the
least
food
partnership
and
then
we've
gone
on.
We
won
the
bronze
award
together,
we
did
with
the
council
and
many
others,
but
that's
just
the
start
and
we're
going
on
towards
silver
and
so
on.
So
this
is
part
of
the
continuum
and
we're
just
getting
into
our
stride.
Now.
L
To
be
honest,
the
last
two
big
events:
it's
really
what
have
informed
this
particular
policy.
Brief
was
a
workshop
which
we
did.
The
back
end
of
last
year
should
have
been
followed
by
another
one
very
quickly,
but
there
was
a
delay,
but
we
did
manage
to
run
it
beginning
in
september.
We
ran
it
online
and
the
policy
brief
is
really
fully
informed
by
the
output
of
that.
L
So
we
looked
at
some
of
the
problems
in
the
barriers
across
the
city,
the
things
that
preventing
us
from
having
a
good,
healthy,
sustainable
food
system
and
there's
quite
a
lot
of
them.
I
won't
go
through
it
in
detail.
We
can
go
bring
some
of
these
out
in
the
discussion
afterwards,
if
you
like,
but
we
know,
there's
some
national
problems
with
cheap
food
being
prioritized
and
the
damage
that
that
causes
to
health
and
the
environment
supposedly
being
picked
up
by
health
and
environmental
services.
But
you
can
only
rectify
a
very
small
bit
of
it.
L
L
We
have
problems
with
the
supermarkets
who've
been
running
the
show,
but
they
don't
always
engage
with
the
problem
in
the
way
that
we,
like
they've,
got
their
actually
they're
all
doing
really
interesting
things
and
there's
a
bit
of
a
sea
change,
but
we
we
do
need
to
get
them
in
the
room
to
look
at
what's
happening
at
our
city
level.
We
don't
have
a
good
enough
contact
with
the
farmers
locally.
L
You
know
the
food
it's
grown
quite
there's
a
lot
of
land
in
around
leeds,
but
it
all
goes
into
the
national
system
it's
distributed
around
the
country
comes
back
to
us
might
be
cheap,
but
it's
carrying
a
lot
of
environmental
costs
with
it.
Then
there's
the
lack
of
knowledge
and
skills
about
nutrition
and
so
on.
We
can
go
on
there's
plenty
of
green
land
within
leeds,
but
we
can't
always
get
access
to
it.
A
lot
of
barriers.
L
There
is
quite
a
lot
of
small
scale,
commercial
production,
it's
bubbling
up,
but
it's
very
tight
on
margins
and
we
need
to
remove
some
of
the
barriers.
There
then
there's
a
whole
issue
of
food
waste
it's
being
sent
to
the
energy
plant,
which
is
lowering
the
capacity
of
that
plant
because
it's
wet
when
we
could
be
using
that
for
composting
and
putting
into
various
different
sorts
of
opportunities,
and
then
we've
got
problems
with
lack
of
investment
and
so
on.
L
There's
there's
a
lot
more,
but
we
have
identified
these
and
we
know
what
they
are.
We
pretty
much
know
what
to
do
about
most
of
them
as
well,
but
then
we've
got
lots
of
strengths
and
opportunities
really
a
lot.
So
we've
got
timely
social
change.
Circular
economics
we've
got
waste
and
plastic
reduction.
There's
a
there's
a
lot
of
public
interest
in
this
new
funding
stream,
some
big
initiatives,
not
least
the
lottery
funding.
The
food
industry
itself
is
recognizing
the
need
for
change
looking
at
lowering
their
carbon
emissions,
sorting
out
biodiversity,
sugar
and
salt.
L
All
these
things,
it's
a
slow
process,
but
we
do
see
change.
Farmers
are
looking
for
shorter
supply
chains,
new
routes
to
market,
reducing
the
amount
of
livestock,
because
we
all
know
how
how
much
problem
associated
with
meat
that
we've
got
plenty
of
great
grade.
One
farmland,
as
I
said,
brownfield
sites
where
we
do
things
like
vertical
farms.
We've
got
an
excellent
vertical
farm
project
running
in
leeds
devolution,
the
mayor
elections,
providing
all
kinds
of
opportunities,
loads
of
local
expertise.
Growing
is
not
a
difficult
thing
to
do.
Nature
does
it.
L
You
just
have
to
have
somebody
to
hold
your
hand
and
away
you
go,
and
we've
got
a
a
commercial
urban
farm
network.
We've
got
three
commercial
farms
in
leeds
and
lots
of
others
around
which
we're
building
together.
We've
got
a
very
strong
fresh
food
offer
things
like
the
leeds
indie
food
network
and
we've
had
a
really
strong
emergency
food
provision
which
we
could
list.
People
like
real
junk
food
projects
and
all
those
plenty
of
them
and
very
much
centered
in
leeds
there's
a
lot
of
expertise
and
commitment
there.
L
So
the
recommendation
that
we
have
just
I'm
keeping
this
very
brief,
so
we
can
talk
about
it
afterwards.
We've
got
one
main
recommendation
and
four
priorities.
We
would
like
the
council,
as
I
said
earlier,
on,
to
create
a
task
force
with
a
high
profile
officer
or
it
could
be
a
member,
but
somebody
who's
got
food
and
agriculture
in
their
job
title.
So,
if
anybody's
looking
around,
they
know
that
person
is
the
person
to
go
to.
L
We've
already
got
a
very
good
internal
food
group
run
by
public
health,
which
has
got
some
of
the
more
junior
officers
in,
but
we
need
to
get
the
senior
officers
and
the
there
are
certain
departments
who
haven't
engaged
with
us,
particularly
planning,
but
there's
various
others
who
have
a
lot
of
that
the
hands
on
the
levers,
but
we're
not
able
to
really
get
through
to
them
and
make
the
points
we
need
to
make,
and
we
need
to
have
them
in
that
group.
L
They
need
to
be
made
to
come
to
the
table
and
when
they
come,
they
will
find
there's
lots
they
can
do,
and
it's
really
interesting
because
it
really
helps
things
like
you
know:
building
new
housing
there's
all
kinds
of
interesting
stuff.
We
can
do
so.
That's
the
main
thing
we
want.
That's
really
the
only
thing
we
need
to
do
straight
away.
The
rest
is
priorities
that
come
afterwards.
We
think
we
should
create
a
local
food
brand,
which
we
can
then
almost
insist
on
for
all
procurement.
L
Major
events,
just
going
back
to
the
to
what
paul
was
talking
about
earlier
on,
we
mustn't
forget
things
like
or
all
of
the
sports
groups
which
which
go
vertically
through
society.
If
you
get
the
right
food
going
into
those
kind
of
events,
then
you're
really
starting
to
get
out
into
areas
which
are
difficult
to
reach.
In
other
ways,
we
need
to
improve
access
to
land.
We've
got
lots
of
the
public
land.
We've
also
got
interesting
private
land
becoming
available.
L
There
are
big
land
owners
like
yorkshire,
water
who
we're
talking
to
doing
some
fascinating
things,
a
good
relationship
with
them.
We
need
to
grow
the
business
ecosystem,
which
is
supporting
innovation,
providing
incentives,
creating
new
sales
platforms
and
routes
to
market.
None
of
these
things
are
particularly
expensive.
They
just
facilitate
the
entrepreneurial
spirit
and
get
rid
of
some
of
the
barriers,
and
then
it
will
start
to
just
change
the
whole
ecosystem
and
very
important
to
educate
and
upskill.
That
means
we
have
to
go
on
doing
research.
L
We've
got
a
series
of
workshops
and
other
things
we
want
to
do.
Paula's
got
some
really
interesting
work
which
you'll
probably
talk
about
in
a
minute,
and
then
we've
got
other
things
we
want
to
build
in.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
all
this
information
is
available
for
the
public
to
find
we
need
to
keep
the
dialogues
going
through
the
various
different
hubs
and
things
like
that.
L
It's
it's
a
relative
food
everybody's
interested
in
food
because
everybody
eats
so
you
just
need
to
change
the
dialogue
a
little
bit
and
people
are
interested
when
they
come
on
board,
so
that's
the
gist
of
it.
So
next
steps
we
would
like
to
see
is
this
terms
of
reference
for
the
task
force
and
then
the
establishment
of
that
task
force
and
then
to
engage
with
all
sectors
of
the
food
system,
including
industry.
It's
really
important
that
this
is
co-created
local
authorities.
L
But
we
need
to
really
make
that
as
easy
as
possible.
We
can
start
to
move
very
quickly
and
get
a
lot
done
quite
cheaply.
So
then
we
can
start
individual
task
groups
on
some
of
the
things.
There's
some
more
things
on
the
list.
Actually
some
very
interesting
things
on
the
list,
and
then
we
will
keep
the
research
going
around
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
good
platform
where
we
share
all
this
data
and
all
this
information.
L
B
A
A
Brilliant,
thank
you
harry.
That's
much
appreciated
right,
so
I
mean
that
was
that
was
super
fascinating.
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
I've
got
a
couple
of
members
want
to
ask
you
questions.
A
We
do
have
the
climate
jury
to
go
over
right
as
well
members,
so
just
to
say
that
and
that
there's
there's
some
there's
some
detail
in
there
as
well.
So
let's
keep
things
brief.
So
I've
got
in
the
order
of
council
array,
council,
bentley
council
calling
so
paul.
First.
I
H
I
Those
previously
meetings,
and
particularly
around
the
the
council's
reliance
on
foodberryman,
were
one
of
the
biggest
caterers
in
the
city
and
whether
one
of
the
conversations
we
need
to
have
as
a
council,
particularly
our
own
asset
management
team,
particularly
the
industrial
areas
where
we
have
very
large
industrial
units,
is
around
vertical
farming
for
food
security,
producing
narrow
food
locally
that
we
can
commercially
sell
if
necessary,
but
actually
to
secure
our
own
food
basis
and
actually
create
jobs.
I
Bearing
a
large
number
of
industries
are
going
south
incredibly
quickly
with
large
footprints,
and
I
think
it's
something
we
do
need
to
take.
Actually,
I
think,
as
a
conversation
to
civic
enterprise,
and
you
lead
us
around
that
in
the
council,
because
actually
there's
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
to
reduce
our
carbon
footprint,
create
jobs
and
actually
bring
a
lot
of
that
land
to
youth
other
than
just
for
houses,
because
we
obviously
love
conversations
about
housing.
A
Yeah,
no,
that's
that's
a
really
good
point.
Paul
I
mean
andy
thanks
thanks
for
being
able
to
join
us,
that's
great
did
you
want
to
come
back
on
that
to
council
race
point
or
briefly,
or
I
thought
you
saw
your
hand
that
you
see
sorry
if
it
wasn't.
I
I
was
just
agreeing
I
mean:
we've
got
huge
potential
to
grow
a
lot
more
food,
both
the
urban
and
the
peri-urban
environment
can
have
more
food
growing
and
also
the
fact
that
we
have
got
a
huge
amount
of
agricultural
land
already.
You
know,
there's
choices
about
what
and
how
we
grow
on
the
land
around
no
around
the
city,
which
is
substantial,
probably
more
than
almost
any
other
european
city
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
agricultural
land
within
the
boundaries.
So
I
think
a
wholesale
review
of
urban
rural
and
period
is
essential.
L
Can
I
just
respond
quick,
specifically
vertical
farm
aspect?
Vertical
farming
comes
in
a
number
of
different
guises.
It
often
means
hydroponic
growing,
which
is
what
growing
better,
which
has
been
involved
with
myself
and
they're
very
much
involved
with
us
for
some
time
and
then
there's
a
there's,
a
potential
project
which
your
yorkshire
water
are
doing
at
the
echo.
And
yes,
we
absolutely
need
to
do
this
because,
if
you're
going
to
industrialize
the
food
system,
you
might
as
well
go
the
whole
hog.
The
problem
really
is
the
the
margins.
L
So
at
the
moment,
what
they're
finding
is
it's
quite
easy
to
sell
the
high-end
stuff
into
cheffy
stuff,
which
is
a
great
way
to
start,
but
it
needs
to
have
the
investments.
At
least
we
upscale
to
the
point
where
it
then
starts
providing
nutritious
food
at
the
right.
Okay,
so
there's
a
big
thing
to
do,
but
but
it's
absolutely
something
we
need
to
look
at,
and
we've
got
a
a
potential
meeting
about
this
scheduled.
A
Okay,
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
work.
We're
going
to
be
doing
together.
Don't
worry
it's
it's
not
just
this
session.
Folks!
So
don't
worry!
I'm
on
this
committee
change.
We're
always
the
agenda's
enormous
and
we're
always
pushed
for
time.
But
that's
why
we
have
the
sub
groups
and
and
we're
going
to
be
really
flexible
along
those
lines.
So,
council
benny
your
hand,
your
hands
up
again:
yeah
council
bentley,
then
council,
collins.
D
You
may
have
covered
this
or
you
may
want
to
cover
it
later.
But
again,
this
is
another
presentation
where
there's
a
definite
ask
of
this
community,
which
we'll
need
to
make
a
decision
on
I'd
like
to
know
what
that
process
is
at
some
point,
but
my
real
question
to
to
to
to
tom
and
his
group
following
that
excellent
presentation,
something
I'm
really
really
impressed
with
certain.
D
D
L
We
have
started
again:
zero
carbon
yorkshire,
we're
talking
about
establishing
a
bigger
group,
but
the
great
thing
about
food
is:
is
it's
a
universal
story?
Really?
We
all
understand
the
basics.
I
personally
welcome
this
because
that
you
know
the
larger
authority
because,
from
an
ecological
point
of
view,
leeds
and
bradford
are
one
city,
and
it's
always
struck
me
as
being
difficult
trying
to
address
some
issues.
L
We
have
certainly
have
issues
with
green
spaces
and
so
on,
where
we
have
this
very
artificial
divide,
so
in
terms
of
the
food
shed
and
in
terms
of
commuting
and
in
terms
of
lots
of
things
leeds
and
bradford,
definitely
one
city.
In
fact,
the
whole
connection
is
one
city,
so
some
of
these
things
are
much
better
looked
at
at
that
larger
scale.
So
I
think
it
will
be
a
good
thing
myself.
I
don't
know
what
whether
some
of
my
other
colleagues
need
to
check
in.
I
Tier
two
is
where
farmers
or
their
managers
work
together
and
tier
three
is
for
really
strategic
regional
work
and,
I
think,
there's
a
huge
potential
for
leads
as
part
of
west
yorkshire
combined
authority
to
be
doing
some
math
through
tier
three
strategic
work.
So
there's
not
only
the
potential
but
there's
a
potential
mechanism
to
pay
for
that
kind
of
strategic.
A
A
We
organize
a
further
session
with
you
guys
and
then
and
and
don
and
team,
which
and
I'll
join
in
we'll
we'll
taste
food,
because
there
is
so
much
to
go
out
here
and
it's
really
important
and
because
we
could
fill
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
be
the
chair
that
hops
on
about
time
all
the
time,
but
there's
a
lot
to
go
from
the
citizens
jury,
and
I
don't
want
you
guys.
Who've
come
along
we're
very
thankful
to
feel
disappointed
anyway.
A
C
Well,
it's
already
on
the
agenda
you'll
know,
but
but
I'm
very
interested
in
her
hearing
more
about
this
strategic
planning
with
the
three
tiers,
I'm
very
fortunate
living
in
horseforth,
I'm
surrounded
by
greek
fields,
but
I
also
know
from
local
information
that
those
fields
are
actually
owned
by
trusts.
Now,
unfortunately,
they're
no
longer
trusts
that
are
managing
the
land
for
the
benefit
of
the
people
of
horstworth
and
roarden
they're
managing
it
so
that
they
still
maintain
a
profit.
C
So
in
part
I
want
to
defend
the
farmers,
especially
the
ones
around
here,
because
they're
keen
to
stay
farmers.
They
are
keen
to
look
after
the
land
and
make
the
land
work
for
everybody,
but
because
their
landlords
are
actually
private
individuals
whose
focus
is
on
building
and
developing
those
sites.
The
fact
that
we've
got
good
agricultural
land
is
secondary
to
them,
so
so
I'm
just
sort
of
giving
tom
and
his
team
a
bit
of
a
heads
up
that.
C
I
think
we
need
to
look
how
we
can
break
that
stranglehold
on
our
good
arable
land
from
the
people
who
do
actually
own
it
and
get
it
actually
into
the
hands
of
farmers
who
actually
want
to
make
it
good
for
everybody.
A
Yeah,
I
think
they're
key
questions,
aren't
they
and
this
in
answer
to
council
bentley's
question
about
how
do
we
respond
to
these
asks?
Well,
it's
through
the
working
group
then
back
to
us,
as
a
committee
proper
because,
like
there's
an
awful
an
awful
lot
to
go
at
right
folks,
oh
council
illinois,
you
seen
your
hand.
F
Sure
that
agreed
is
much
of
what
tom
said,
an
excellent
presentation,
but
to
flag
up.
There
is
this
degree
of
competition.
I
can
see
competition
in
my
own
world
at
the
moment
between
different
land
uses
between
agriculture,
between
biodiversity,
between
sport
and
recreation.
F
We
ain't
got
lots
of
land
to
go
around
and,
as
things
tighten
up,
it's
going
to
be
more
and
more
difficult
to
satisfy
all
the
various
demands
and
finally,
a
bit
of
music
to
dawn's
ears.
One
way
of
attacking
this
problem
is
through
land
value,
taxation,
something
I'd
love
to
talk
to
other
elective
members
about.
A
It
was
when
we
realized
that
council
carter
had
been
reading
the
labour
party
manifesto
about
lvt.
We
all
got
quite
excited
on
the
development
plan
panel.
The
other
day.
This
is
definitely
a
rabbit
hole.
We
could
go
down,
but
there
is.
There
is
a
lot
to
talk
about
folks
and
but
I
am
going
to
have
to
guillotine
this
bit
of
the
meeting
tom.
Very
briefly,.
L
Just
to
say,
I
agree
in
time
what
john's
saying
john
and
I
know
each
other
well
working
with
the
the
the
cursed
farm
project
which
we
were
involved
together
for
a
long
time.
It's
absolutely
true,
but
I
see
this
as
an
opportunity.
So
as
a
landscape
architect,
everything
that
we
do
is
about
knowing
how
to
design
it's
all
about
design.
L
So
you
can
do
all
of
the
things
you
mentioned
there
at
the
same
time,
in
the
same
place,
if
you
get
the
design
right,
it's
partly
about
permaculture
principles,
it's
partly
about
conventional
landscape
architecture,
it's
actually
quite
easy
and
it
makes
it
more
exciting.
It
brings
more
people
on
board,
it's
productive
and
it's
beautiful
and
it's
accessible.
A
No,
I
think
there'll
be
a
lot
of
conversations
emanating
out
from
this
meeting
and
they
were
crew.
That's
excellent
folks,
but
I'm
going
to
guillotine
it
at
that,
because
there's
a
lot
to
go
through
still,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
along
and
giving
that
presentation.
It's
really
really
interesting.
You
can
see
why
we
set
up
this
committee
in
a
way
where
we
enjoy
bringing
everything
together
and
doing
the
work
that
we
do.
So.
Thank
you
so
much.
You
are
most
welcome
to
stay,
but
you
don't
have
to.
A
We
won't
think
he'll
love
you
for
disappear.
It's
fine!
It's
been
a
long
day
and
councilman
herring
has
to
give
her
apologies,
she's
called
away
to
another
meeting,
such
as
the
life
in
a
visit,
exec
board
member.
So
on
that
no
we
are
going
to
go
back
to
my
notes.
So
item
number
11,
which
is
new
supplementary
pack,
which
is
the
response
to
the
citizen,
jury's
recommendations
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
hand
over
to
polly.
For
this.
H
Thank
you,
council
of
warsaw
and
so
I'll.
Do
it
briefly
there's
time
for
questions,
but
I
suppose
just
to
set
the
context.
So
we
I
think
we
came
in
march
with
the
original
kind
of
response
to
the
jury.
H
So
you
know
that
that
will
be
happening
with
the
election
next
year
in
may
and
and
then
obviously
the
context
of
the
pandemic,
which
has
so
many
impacts.
So
you
know
from
anything
where
it's
allowed
us
to
speed
up
the
delivery
of
our
district
heating
network,
to
where
it's
brought
our
electric
van
scheme
to
a
standstill
for
a
period
of
time
and
there's
been
a
whole
range
of
impacts,
and
then
it
has
kind
of
fundamentally
changed
as
councilor
buckley
alluded
to
earlier.
H
You
know
in
terms
of
the
public
trump
use
of
public
transport,
and
but
it's
given
us
other
opportunities
for
funding
for
things
like
the
active
transport
scheme.
So
I
don't
think
you
can
under
kind
of
underestimate
the
impact
that's
been
caused
over
the
last
six
months
on
a
lot
of
different
strands
of
work
and
just
as
basic
in
terms
of
the
number
of
staff
that
have
actually
been
employed
elsewhere
and
to
do
things
like
the
food
provision
for
the
city.
H
And
then,
when
we
look,
we've
gone
through
updated
the
different
recommendations
we
haven't
updated.
All
of
them.
Some
are
kind
of
the
same
as
the
last
one.
But
you
know
in
terms
of
transport.
We've
looked
at
things
like
obviously
the
school
street
scheme
that
we've
already
mentioned,
and
some
of
the
the
different
kind
of
bids
that
we've
been
out
of
it
into
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
around
active
transport.
H
So
we've
updated
those,
and
I
won't
read
through
the
list
and
then
in
terms
of
housing
retrofit
again,
it's
given
us
an
opportunity
to
bid
for
a
number
of
different
funds,
and
and
so
again
we're
going
to
do
some
really
deep
retrofit
on
in
a
variety
of
areas
and
we're
waiting
for
announcements
on
different
funds.
It's
also
allowed
us
to
put
another
bid
in
for
an
expansion
of
the
district
heat
network,
which
means
that
the
south
bank
regeneration
will
be
based
on
low
carbon
heat.
H
So
there's
been
kind
of
lots
of
work
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
and
so
there
has
been
progress
made
on
the
funding
one
we
had
said
we
were
going
to
put
together
a
community
bond
scheme
which
we
still
are
keen
to
do.
However,
we've
had
a
kind
of
positive
barrier
to
that
at
the
moment
that
we
are
anticipating
in
the
next
week
or
so
that
there
will
be
some
government
funding
that
will
be
in
the
form
of
grant.
H
That
will
enable
us
to
do
that
kind
of
public
sector
retrofit
schemes,
which
were
what
we
were
going
to
put
through
the
community
bond
and
obviously
from
a
value
for
money.
Point
of
view.
A
grant
provide
better
value
for
money
at
this
moment
in
time
than
the
community
bond
will.
But
we
still
think
that
community
bond
will
have
a
place,
but
the
timing
at
this
moment
in
time
isn't
right
and
and
then
there's
a
section
on
the
comms
where
we've
gone
through
and
updated.
H
So
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
we
were
fairly
quiet
on
comms
because
we
didn't
feel
that
it
was
appropriate
and
that
you
know
there
were
other
things.
People
wanted
to
hear
about
people
worried
about
their
own
safety
and
it
wasn't
the
right
time,
but
we've
started
to
ramp
the
comms
back
up
and
our
monthly
newsletters
still
coming
out
and
we're
now
up
to
5000
subscribers
on
that,
and
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
highlight
not
just
what
the
council's
doing,
but
also
what
the
whole
city
is
doing.
H
So
I'd
I'll
send
an
email
out
to
all
members
afterwards.
So
if
anyone
hasn't
signed
up
to
that
newsletter,
I'd
really
encourage
you
to
do
that.
So
things
like
the
bid
that
paul
talked
to
us
about
that
was
all
announced
in
there,
and
so
it's
a
really
good
way
of
keeping
up
to
date
and
just
seeing
the
pace
of
change,
that's
happening
and
and
so
and
then
what
we're
focusing
on
is
each
month
kind
of
different
com.
H
So
we've
had
a
we
had
a
district
heating
month,
we've
had,
hopefully
you've
all
seen
the
electric
bike
scheme
launch
that
actually
hit.
Apparently
the
news
in
the
cnn
news,
which
was
fairly
amazing
and
which
actually
has
sold
out
in
terms
of
space.
Within
about
a
week.
We
have
200
people
on
the
waiting
list
for
that
e-bike
scheme,
and
so
there
has
been
lots
of
positives
and
calms
going
on
lots
and
lots
of
progress,
but
there
have
also
been
an
amazing
amount
of
challenges
during
this
period.
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that
apollo,
that's
really
really
helpful.
I
mean
there
has
been
an
awful
lot
going
on,
but
no
but
a
big
thanks
to
to
you
and
your
team
for
continuing
working
through
all
of
this.
This
this
late
unpleasantness
now
who
wants
to
ask
questions
for
polly
for
the
citizens,
jury,
update,
council
collins,
is
your
hand
up
or
is
it
a
residual
hand
from
the
previous.
A
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
any
indications
of
people
wanting
to
speak
council
array.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
Yes,
just
a
really
quick
one
on
the
comms,
I
mean
what
what
variety
of
comms
are.
We
using
particularly
the
pandemic,
shown
that
actually,
some
of
the
more
traditional
communication
types
have
pretty
much
gone
on
their
head.
Are
we
doing?
I
know
of
specific
campaigns
we
do
like
paid
adverts
for
facebook
and
stuff,
like
that?
Has
there
been
an
analysis
of
broading
out?
Are
we
looking
at
whatsapp
groups
where
people
can
register
to
get
direct
articles
and
stuff
like
that?
I
Are
we
looking
at
local
radio,
local
newspapers,
rather
than
just
some
of
the
bigger
regional
ones,
because
I
am
curious,
is
to
see
how
we're
actually
getting
particularly
those
poor
communities.
H
Okay,
so
I
think
throughout
the
pandemic
we
have
relied
really
heavily
on
social
media
and
the
different
varieties
of
social
media,
and
but
we
we
are
in
discussions
about
widening
it
out
and
obviously
some
of
the
kind
of
radio
type
things
can
be
quite
challenging
because
of
the
budget
side
of
it
at
the
moment.
And
but
we
are
looking
for
opportunities
at
how
how
we
wind
them
out
and
make
it
more
comprehensive.
A
I
think
if
I
had
a
10
pound
note
for
every
time
I've
been
in
a
meeting
that
it
would
use
the
phrase
budget
challenges.
I
think
I'd
be
driving
driving
away
in
the
lamborghini
councillor
bentley
next
nother
I
would
buy
a
lamborghini,
not
everyone
fret
or
anything
council
bentley,
please,
you
wouldn't
want
to
would.
A
Oh,
I
just
want
to
put
it
on
the
public
record.
I
don't
own
any
lamborghinis.
This
is
our
rumor
star
council.
Bentley
stop!
I
know
I
do.
D
Can
I
just
raise
two
sort
of
specific
questions
on
the
council's
response
to
to
some
of
these
recommendations,
so
the
first
one
is
the
transport
strategy,
where
the
council's
response
says
that
the
strategy's
vision
is
that
leads
to
a
city
where
you
do
not
need
a
car.
D
Well,
that
might
be
an
aspiration
or
a
a
nice
to
have
I.
I
don't
really
see
that
as
a
strategy,
particularly
when
further
down
it
talks
about
park
and
rides
and
everything
else
which
is
accommodating
people
need
a
car,
but
that's
just
a
final
point,
but
if,
if
the
strategy
really
is
to
dissuade
people
from
using
their
cars
or
between
people,
perhaps
in
your
circumstances
you
don't
need
one
there's
a
few
things.
I
think
we
could
perhaps
pad
out
that
that
particular
recommendation
response
to
the
recommendation.
D
We're
talking
about
trying
to
stop
people
going
to
the
city
center
parking
charges,
those
things
there's
no
mention
of
a
workplace
parking
levy,
which
is
a
an
issue
which
a
number
of
authorities.
D
What
one
has
adopted
it
completely
and
generated
a
substantial
amount
of
money,
ring
fence
for
public
transport
and
birmingham
just
before
the
pandemic.
Had
a
had
a
paper
that
was
going
to
go
to
exec
on
the
same
issue
and
also
things
like
bus
lanes,
bus
priorities,
I'm
sure
they're
in
there
somewhere,
but
I
think
it.
D
I
think
if
we
start
off
by
saying
it's
a
city
where
you
don't
need
a
car,
I
I
think
you
know,
I
think
it's
all
about
managing
the
car
and
the
other
one
was
on
housing
and
improving
the
climate
standards
and
energy
standards
in
housing,
and
it
does
mention
private
rented
sector,
and
I
think
probably
the
private
rented
sector
is
the
biggest
hurdle.
D
We've
got
to
improving
energy
standards
in
our
in
in
our
total
housing
stock
in
the
city
and
again,
I
I
think
one
of
the
weapons
we
have
for
that
apart
from
the
sort
of
monetary
grant
weapon,
but
also
extending
the
selective
licensing
scheme.
So
it
gives
the
council
more
direct
control
on
the
standards
that
the
the
the
landlords
have
to
comply
with,
and
I
know
that
the
argument
against
that
is
often
or
when
it's
really
difficult
to
extend
it.
D
But
again,
I
I
know
authorities
where
most
of
the
private
media
sector
in
the
authority
is
subject
to
a
a
selective
licensing
scheme.
So
I
think
we
could
explore
that
a
lot
more
as
a
way
of
way
of
improving
our
energy
standards.
Thanks
jeff,
no.
A
No
thanks,
I
mean
yeah,
selective
lighting
and
a
lot
of
the
opposition
comes
from
landlords
in
the
city
and
I
don't
think
that
really
holds
much
weight.
Private
landlords-
don't
just
be
short
of
bob
or
two
to
put
it
crudely,
so
yeah.
A
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
selective
licensing
and
how
we
bring
that
into
the
into
reducing
carbon
emissions,
but
also,
let's
remember
that,
brings
also
into
in
the
realms
of
thinking
about
affordable
warmth,
reducing
people's
energy
bills
again,
bringing
climate
benefits
into
and
marrying
them
up
with
real
tangible
benefits
for
for
for
people's
finances.
But,
yes,
I
think
that's
nothing's
off
the
list
with
respect
to
housing.
I
think
the
private
rented
sector
is
the
most
intractable,
though,
and
that
is
going
to
require
an
awful
lot
of
mass
mobilization.
A
Nationally,
I
mean
ed
miliband's
shadow
energy.
Secretaries
talked
about
mobilizing
what
amounts
to
a
carbon
army
with
respect
to
decarbonizing
the
housing
stock,
including
the
prs
private
rented
sector.
That's
the
kind
of
level
of
engagement.
This
problem
needs,
and
it
needs
to
happen
right
really
rather
quickly
so
pete
councillor
carl.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
some
of
the
the
transport
related
points?
I
suspect.
G
Yeah,
I
was
just
going.
I
don't
know
whether
polly
wanted
to
provide
an
answer,
but
I
was
just
going
to
come
in
because
the
transport
strategy
is
something
that
I'm
somewhat
involved
in
as
it
starts
drafting
there
is.
There
is
mention
in
the
report
about
the
workplace
parking
levy
and
it
notes
that
I
think
all
options
are
being
looked
into
for
what
could
be
used.
I
think
the
one
problem
is
obviously
a
a
parking
levy
is
a
a
discouragement
on
using
your
car,
rather
than
an
encouragement
to
do
something
else.
G
So
I
think
the
report,
the
the
strategy,
is
going
to
look
at
as
much
encouragement
as
possible
first
and
that
city,
where
you
don't
need
a
car,
is
the
vision
for
the
2030
date
of
finishing
off
the
the
strategy.
I
think
we
all
know
that
from
motorway
city
of
the
70s
there's
a
there's
a
lot.
We
have
to
do
to
not
need
a
car.
Some
some
journeys,
unfortunately,
is
still
pretty
difficult
to
make.
G
If
you
don't
have
a
car
and
and
well
aware
of
those
living
in
an
area
cut
off
by
the
ring
road.
G
But
yes,
I
think
that
that's
the
key
is
making
first
allowing
people
to
make
that
choice
that
they
don't
have
to
have
a
car
if
they,
if
they
choose
not
to
not
not
forcibly
removing
people
from
their
car,
but
allowing
every
opportunity
to
make
that
that
other
choice
and
then
I
think,
when
we've
got
those
options,
because
unfortunately,
leeds
finds
itself
as,
as
many
of
us
know,
somewhat
short
in
the
mass
transit
area.
Unfortunately,
our
options
are
very
limited
at
the
moment
for
alternative
methods.
G
So
yeah
increasing
public
transport
back
to
pre-levels
pre-covered
levels
is
going
to
be
something
that
we'll
be
looking
at,
because
that
is
the
bus
is
the
way
that
people
in
leeds
move
around
the
majority
of
people
who
need
to
move
around
without
a
car
and
unfortunately,
at
the
moment
that's
not
open
to
people
so
so
yeah
work
on
that
is
going
to
be
very
important,
going
forward.
I'll
leave
it
there
chair
in
the
it's
means
of
gravity.
A
Yeah,
no
thanks
very
much,
and
I
agree
with
everything
you've
said
there
is
no
quick
answer
with
transport,
but
just
add
to
what
peter
said
when
we
look
at
the
local
plan
review,
one
of
the
things
that
have
evolved
over
rapidly
over
the
last
six
seven
months
is
looking
at
low
traffic
neighborhoods,
but
also
looking
at
the
15
minute.
Neighborhood
now.
Look,
let's
be
absolutely
blunt.
Clevid19
is
not
going
to
be
around
with
us
forever,
but
it
has
changed
how
we
live
and
how
we
work.
A
Now
now
some
of
those
things
are
negative
and
some
of
the
things
are
positive
and
we
need
to
capture
that
into
to
looking
at
how
50
minute
neighborhood
works,
because
if
we
can
fundamentally
reduce
the
need
to
travel
not
through
any
draconian
measures,
but
just
by
living
and
working
and
and
playing
differently,
then
that'll
really
help.
So,
for
example,
if
we
can
capture
as
folks
know,
when
traffic
levels
fell
by
around
60
during
the
height
of
the
lockdown.
A
Well,
if
we
can
sort
of
capture
about
a
third
of
that
on
a
sustained,
ongoing
basis,
that'll
really
change
how
our
city
operates
and
how
it
feels
with
commensurate
benefits
for
air
quality
and
public
health.
So
it's
really
looking
at
transport
and
and
how
we,
how
we
use
land
and
space
and
how
we
build
up
neighborhoods
it'll
really
really
help.
So
we
absolutely
do
need
a
rapid
transit
system,
though
peter
don't
worry,
I
don't
think
we
should
ever
detect
from
getting
that
right.
F
Yeah
thank
you
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
of
practical
points.
A
F
F
Here
is
the
thought,
but
I
know
that
council
of
blackburn
and
I
used
to
have
discussions
about
how
the
buses
not
to
be
owned,
and
this
is
referred
to
here
and
of
course
I
I
think
the
government
actually
must
have
taken
advice
from
it,
because
they've
they've
gone
his
way
and
but
you
know
on
a
serious
point
really,
as
somebody
mentioned
earlier,
we're
going
to
have
a
mayor
and
a
different
setup
next
next
year
and
all
this
talk
about
short
journeys,
journeys
across
town
journey
to
work
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
which
just
cannot
be
taken
now,
unless
you
have
a
car,
if
we're
actually
aspiring
to
fill
all
those
gaps,
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money
and
if
the
mayor's
got
a
budget,
you'll
either
have
to
fill
the
entire
budget
with
running
council
of
blackburn's
buses
or
after
charges
an
awful
lot
of
money.
A
Thanks,
council
buckley,
I
thought
it
was
going
to
the
meeting
where
you
finally
committed
to
full
marxism,
but
I
was
so
close,
but
not
quite
yet.
I
mean
you're
onto
my
one
of
my
favorite
subjects.
As
your
well-known
committee
members
is
look,
look
a
deregulated
privatized
bus
network
has
been
given
a
substantial
crack
of
the
whip
and
it's
it's
failed
in
its
entirety.
A
That's
got
to
change
it's
kind
of
changing
on
an
ad
hoc
basis,
but
some
municipal
planning
and
an
ownership
or
stake
in
in
public
transport
writ
large
and
then
the
proper
integration
of
different
public
transport
modes
is
is
inevitable
really
because
the
current
system
we
have
now
is
neither
used
in
our
ornament,
and
we
need
to
be
clear
about
that
and
yeah
so
yeah.
A
I
think
council
blackburn's
and
my
cellphone
and
other
members
here
probably
have
quite
a
lot
of
overlap
on
how
we
view
public
transport,
but
we
have
to
have
a
public
transport
that
serves
our
needs
and
it
doesn't
at
the
moment-
and
you
can't
get
past,
that
it's
a
it's
a
fundamental
structural
problem
in
transport
in
ink,
particularly
in
england
and
it
needs
it
needs
sorting
and
sorting
fast
counsel,
blackburn
and
cancer
illinois
have
your
hands
up,
and
then
I'm
gonna
wrap
things
up.
E
E
If
you
told
me,
I
don't
mind
you,
I've
got
to
say
one
wonder
what
with
it
at
the
moment
is
one
of
the
problems
that
have
been
caused,
certainly
in
my
lifetime,
and
was
I
mean
I
can
remember
when
we
had
as
a
youngster
when
we
had
slum
clearance
and
the
fact
was
you
shot
near
where
you
lived
and
you
worked
near
where
you
lived
and
basically
you
used
public
transport
if
you
went
anywhere
anywhere
else,
but
most
of
the
time
you
were
five
minutes
or
ten
minutes
walk
away
from
where
you
lived
and
that
ended
when
we
pulled
down
these
slums,
because
that's
what
there
were
a
lot
of
them
and
built
these
council
estates
on
the
outsets
which
we
went
on
to
we
went
to
live
on
this
winner
and
it
was
lovely.
E
I
learned
what
white
was
it?
Wasn't
monkey
monkey
gray
as
it
had
been
in
the
when
I
lived
in
the
old
house
back
of
the
of
a
caulking
plant
and
outside
of
their
airway
sheds?
So
so
I've
got
to
say
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
E
Our
public
transport
never
grew
with
that
we're
with
people
moving
away
from
where
the
works
and
where
they're
shopped
and
what
we've
got
to
do
is
we've
got
to
find
some
environmentally
nice
way
of
putting
work,
people
and
shops
together.
So
we
don't
have
to
use
a
cab.
We
don't
have
to
use
public
transport,
we
can
walk
and
that's
that's
the
difficulty
having.
A
F
Work
on-
oh,
that's,
better!
Oh
the
shift
bar
this
place
bar
works.
It's
a
thing
to
fix
in
on
our
system
that,
if
you
click
on
the
symbol
for
the
microphone,
nothing
happens.
And
anyway,
let's
move
on
I'm
just
conscious
chair
that
we
haven't
responded
on
issue.
I
the
airport,
and
yet
the
presentation
for
the
public
at
the
start
were
heavily
focused
on
that
and
people
demanding
an
answer.
F
So
I
would
like
to
say
a
little
tiny
bit
about
the
airport,
because
I
think
it
is
a
major
issue
by
all
means-
and
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
the
the
aviation
industry
needs
to
make
carbon
emissions
the
absolute
centerpiece
of
its
r
d
efforts
until
it's
fixed,
because
it
can't
be
left
as
it
is,
and
so
they
should
do
our
research
development.
First,
they
should
fix
the
problem
of
co2
emissions,
and
then
we
can
talk
about.
Expansion.
F
It's
less
serious
than
climate
change,
it
isn't
the
same
problem
as
co2
emissions,
but
nevertheless
it's
there,
and
so
we
should
also
be
saying
to
the
airport
operator.
You
need
to
fix
your
flight
patterns.
You
need
to
fix
your
noisy
missions.
You
need
to
stop
waking
people
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night
in
the
early
morning,
because
it's
not
nice
and
I
just
wish
we've
gone
a
little
bit
further
in
our
response
on
I.
A
No,
no
thanks
for
that
and
well
I
mean
had
this
event
as
this
year,
panned
out
differently,
without
everything
going
in
haywire
in
the
middle
of
march,
we
probably
well,
we
would
have
had
another
session
on
aviation
and
we
would
have
had
possibly
even
two
sessions
on
aviation
and
then
this
committee
would
have
had
a
view
in
terms
of
of
local
and
national
international
aviation
policies
and
process
that
that
we
would
recommend
to
happen.
But
obviously
things
went
haywire
and
then
the
airport,
the
pesky
buyers,
went
and
put
a
live
planning
application.
A
In
now
we
have
no
statutory
function
with
respect
to
live
plan.
Applications,
which
is,
is
unfortunate,
but
that's
the
way
that
the
legislation's
framed
there's
also
a
number
of
us
who
also
see
it
on
the
city
plans
panel,
which
will
be
with
decision
makers
on
the
airport
application.
So
there
is
a
it's
it's
important
that
we
don't
be
we're
not
seen
to
predetermine
the
planification
I
mean
look
planning
is
a
quasi-judicial
role.
A
We
take
it
extremely
seriously
in
leeds,
and
we
want
to
compromise
that
in
any
way
and
whether
people
are
proponents
for
the
airport
and
expansion
or
objectives
to
it,
then
they
need
to
bear
that
in
mind.
A
I
think
it's
important
that
when
any
planning
application,
any
planning
issue
faces
us,
the
elected
members,
taking
the
decision
on
that
application
fully,
if
you
like,
commensurate
with
the
the
issues,
the
legislation
and
everything
around
that
application,
and
that's
why
we
didn't
want
to
detract
from
that
process
with
respect
to
the
airport
and
that's,
but
that's
been
the
way
2020's
fallen,
which
is
very
2020
when
you
think
about
it.
It's
been
that
kind
of
year.
A
So
there
is
a
lot
to
be
said
about
aviation
you're
right,
I
mean,
as
I
said
many
times
in
public
forums.
It's
not
aviation,
that's
a
problem!
It's
carbon
aviation,
that's
the
problem
in
large
part
and
they
have
a
huge
problem
and
they
need
to
come
up
with
ways
and
means
to
to
to
address
that,
and
they
need
to
do
it
rather
fast
and
we've
got
a
interestingly
for
for
many
members
here,
we've
got
a
meeting
on
friday
of
the
city
plans
panel,
which
is
a
position
statement
from
the
airport.
A
So
we'll
see
how
far
they've
got
down
that
road,
and
I
will
be
asking
him
some
very
searching
questions
canceling
with
I
think
on
friday,
and
that
will
be
going
out
on
the
the
world
wide
web.
So
is
any
further
further
points
regarding
the
the
citizens
jury
update.
A
B
Thanks
chair
the
date
and
time
of
the
next
meeting
is
the
thursday,
the
22nd
of
october,
at
10
30
a.m.
A
Lovely
well,
thank
you
for
that.
Well,
listen
folks!
There's
an
awful
lot
of
groundbreaking!
Today,
it's
good
to
be
back
with
the
working
groups
moving
and
shaking
again,
that's
really
important.
We've
picked
up
an
awful
lot
of
work
for
the
food
and
agriculture
team.
I
think
that's
excellent,
so
I
look
forward
to
joining
in
those
sessions
and
it's
17
30.,
we're
finishing
on
the
dark
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
contributions
today
and
have
a
safe
journey
home
to
your
kitchens.