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B
At
this
point,
I
would
like
to
clarify
that,
whilst
the
meeting
is
being
webcast
to
enable
Public
Access,
it
is
not
being
held
as
a
public
meeting
in
accordance
with
the
Local
Government
Act
1972.
As
such,
it
is
a
remote
consultative
meeting
of
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee.
The
consultative
status
of
today's
meeting
means
that
some
of
the
usual
formalities
will
not
take
place
at
the
start
of
the
meeting.
B
This
also
means
that
the
committee
will
not
be
in
a
position
to
take
any
formal
decisions
and
any
proposed
actions
that
do
require
formal
ratification
will
be
referred
to.
The
next
formal
meeting
of
the
committee
for
approval
can
I,
please
remind
members
to
turn
their
microphones
to
mute
when
they're,
not
speaking,
and
to
use
the
hand
raising
function
to
indicate
that
they
would
like
to
speak
as
we
move
through
the
agenda.
So
it
looks
like
everybody
is
here
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
introductions
then
so
we'll
start
with
members.
B
I
B
B
A
You
chair
agenda
item,
one
apologies
for
absence:
councilorific,
tenderness,
apologies
and
camps
and
millise
here,
councilor
Downs
tax
well
tentatively
accepted
the
meeting,
so
I
will
report
his
apologies
here
and
then
item
two
Declarations
of
Interest
could
ask
members
to
declare
any
interests.
I
think
they
may
have
I
can't
see
any
or
hands
race.
I'll.
Take
that
as
non.
Thank
you,
members.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you
very
much
Helen,
so
we're
moving
on
to
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
and
the
last
meeting
minutes.
We
have
are
for
the
last
consultative
meeting
that
we
had
so
that's
on
the
23rd
of
January,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
Page
by
page
and
if
you
have
any
matters
arising
from
those
that
you
would
like
to
comment
on.
Please
do
so
so.
First
of
all
is
page
five
in
your
packs.
B
I
I
I
You
are
some
of
the
areas
that
we're
currently
speaking
to
working
through
due
process
to
to
get
new
beds
and
things
set
up,
whether
it's
private
land
or
public
land
and
there's.
Those
are
areas
like
I
made
a
note
like
hunzler
holbeck,
Temple,
Newsome,
seacraft,
Amelie
Shadwell
horse
within
Allwood
Lee,
there's
just
some
of
the
areas
but
yeah
it's
it's
a
very
it's
a
very
visual
project.
It
it
it
cuts
across
food
insecurity,
positive
health
and
well-being.
I
It
shows
people
where
their
food
comes
from,
and
the
story
really
starts
with
my
daughter.
I
have
two
daughters,
the
eldest.
If
you
buy
a
punnet
of
strawberries
from
the
supermarket,
she
will
eat
it
in
one
sitting.
She
loves
her
fruit,
the
youngest
wouldn't
touch
it
wouldn't
touch
it,
and
one
day
we
dabbled
with
growing
our
own
food
and
she
came
in
from
outside
and
she
had
red
around
her
mouth.
I
I
thought
that's
interesting,
that
she's
just
helped
herself
and
that's
where
it
started
and
I
think
there's
something
in
that,
because
a
broccoli,
for
example,
loses
70
of
its
vitamin
C
just
six
days
after
harvesting.
So
this
is
this
is
a
really
very
much
needed
project
in
in
lots
of
different
ways.
I
I'll
just
move
on,
because
I'll
show
some
of
the
the
pictures
of
of
what
the
project
looks
like,
because,
actually
we
we
work
with
schools,
we
work
with
Care
Homes.
We
work
with
other
community
groups.
We
work
with
local
business
as
well
around
creating
local
food
economies
ensuring
that
money
spent
within
communities
stays
within
communities.
I
It
cuts
down
on
food
miles,
it
costs
down
on
food
waste,
we're
also
supporting
with
the
community
composting
pilot,
that's
taking
place
in
some
Wards
as
well
and
you'll,
see.
We've
we've
also
worked
in
the
past
with
creatives
as
well
around
creating
public
displays
of
art
all
of
those
flowers.
On
that,
mural
are
edible
as
well.
I
I
Just
to
see,
if
maybe
that
location
is,
is
the
best
location,
the
the
areas
that
work
well
tend
to
be
ones
of
high
footfall,
but
also
ones
that
are
close
to
somebody's
house.
So
we
always
make
sure
that
when
people
come
to
us
and
ask
us
to
support
them
with
Incredible
Edible
that
they
look
after
it,
they
adopt
it.
I
Why
is
that
not
working
there?
We
go
sorry,
it's
very
much
a
people
project.
It
brings
people
together
from
all
different
walks
of
life,
all
different
backgrounds.
The
one
thing
that
people
have
in
common
is
that
we
all
eat.
So
this
project
is
truly
intergenerational.
As
I
say
we
work
with
schools
and
we
work
with
Care
Homes
and
everyone
in
between
and
quite
often
you
have
a
younger
generation
who
are
who
are
curious
and
want
to
learn
about
where
their
food
comes
from.
I
They
want
to
make
a
positive
change
and
difference
and
you've
got
an
older
generation.
Maybe
you
know
lived
through
the
wall
that
lived
through
a
dig
for
a
victory
campaign
that
actually,
when
you
bring
those
people
together,
really
special
things
happen.
When
you
put
a
bed
in
an
estate,
people
talk
to
each
other,
people
meet
their
neighbors
and
and
people
sort
of
take
from
that
bed,
but
they
give
back
to
it
as
well,
and
that
last
slide
here
we
have
a
partnership
with
Northern
rail.
I
I
Cross
Gates
I'm,
going
to
be
relaunching
I've
got
a
meeting
tonight
to
make
sure
that
that
gets.
Look
after
it's
part
of
the
project
across
Gates
involved
kind
of
transforming
the
station,
because
there
were
a
lot
of
instances
of
anti-social,
behavior
and
trespass
on
the
railway.
So
we
worked
with
a
local
creative
to
create
a
mural,
have
an
edible
bed
at
the
heart
of
that
as
well.
So
there's
a
local
primary
school
that
supports
looking
after
that
bed,
as
well
as
an
Incredible
Edible
group.
I
B
A
J
And
again,
as
you
mentioned
in
Crossgates
the
issue
of
obviously
anti-social
Behavior,
where
even
today,
I
was
in
a
different
meeting,
we
had
some
edible
plants
in
a
Plantera
of
the
adminwood,
and
somebody
decided
to
just
pull
them
out
and
take
them
either
home
with
them
or
either
probably
pin
them
somewhere.
And
so.
But
what
can
you
give
us
some
tips
on
how
how
we
can
go
moving
forward
thanks.
I
I
It's
definitely
a
mindset
shift
in
a
way
you
sort
of
want
people
to
vandalize
it,
because
you
want
people
to
take
what's
growing
there,
because
how
many
times
have
we
gone
to
the
supermarket
to
buy
an
entire
plant
of
basil
and
we
just
need
a
little
bit
or
we.
You
know
we
need
a
handful
of
tomatoes
or
whatever
and
they
could
actually
be
growing
around
the
food
is
growing
all
around
us.
You
know
there's
plenty
of
apple
trees
and
pear
trees
and
and
cherry
trees,
and
things
like
that.
I
So
there's
definitely
that
kind
of
mindset
here.
Vandalism
does
happen,
but
people
get
bored
eventually
and
people
you
know
accept.
What's
growing
there,
some
of
the
biggest
challenges
I
think
are
are
around
access
to
land.
So
I
think
this
has
come
up
in
conversation
a
lot
recently
with
sort
of
trying
to
map
land
as
well.
I
That's
suitable
for
growing
food
on
there
is
a
lot
of
land
suitable
for
growing
food
on
there's,
a
lot
of
verges
and
things
like
that
and
I
think
there's
always
that
element
of
risk
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
created
Incredible
Edible,
leads
to
to
try
and
give
that
kind
of.
You
know
trusted
Pair
of
Hands,
if
you
like,
because
we're
going
to
be
here
for
the
long
term
to
support
the
groups
that
are
on
the
ground,
and
so
we
can
take
a
level
of
that
risk,
but
I
think
that's
something
as
well.
I
That
feeds
quite
nicely
into
what
Pam
warhurst
was
talking
about
yesterday
with
the
national
Incredible
Edible
network
is
they're,
trying
to
sort
of
create
a
community
right
to
grow,
so
to
make
it
easier
for
people
and
local
authorities
to
allow
people
to
grow
food
on
on
the
public
realm.
So
there's
two
parts
to
it:
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
for
us
is.
I
You
know
whether,
whether
or
not
we're
working
with
housing
or
working
with
highways
or
Parks,
you
know,
there's
different
departments,
so
I
think
there's
definitely
an
opportunity
to
have
some
form
of
commonality
in
terms
of
an
agreement
around
how
this
could
work.
I
think
it's
it's
new,
but
I
also
think
that
you
know
if
any
City
can
do
it.
Leeds
is
the
one:
that's
that's
bold
and
Innovative
and
ambitious,
and
this
could
fit
quite
nicely.
Q
Yes,
thank
you
Dan.
It
was
really
really
good,
exciting
stuff,
one
of
the
issues
you've
just
mentioned
about
the
land
availability
and
where,
where
people
could
grow
things,
Parish
councils,
those
who
live
in
the
outer
areas
tend
to
be
a
bit
more
Parish
than
the
inner
city
areas
and
I'm,
just
wondering.
If
you've
have
you
been
in
contact
with
any
specific
Parish
councils,
I
mean
I'm
quite
happy
to
promote
it
in
the
outer
Northeast
Community
amongst
the
parishes,
because
I
think
that
that's
something
we've
got
people
living
in
the
locality.
Q
You
might
actually
be
interested
in
doing
it,
but
something
maybe
that
Gary
could
answer.
Yeah
he's
still
there
about
the
highways
issues
and
on
the
road
verges
and
whether
that's
going
to
do
you
see
that
being
a
bit
of
a
problem
Gary
or
is
that
something
that
we
think
we
should
be
able
to
come
to
the
compromise
about?
D
Okay,
it
was
a
question
listening
to
Dan
speaking
there.
It
was
a
question
what's
going
through
in
my
mind,
because
normally
some
members
will
know
we
when
people
want
to
put
some
sort
of
planting
on
the
highway
they
need
licensing.
So
this
is
I'd,
be
interested
in
Dan's
experience
from
other
Highway
authorities.
How
that's
worked
because,
whilst
listening
into
the
presentation,
I've
actually
contacted
my
network
management
colleagues
just
to
see
their
views
on
this,
but
certainly
very
interesting,.
I
I
My
worst
possible
outcome
is
that
we
put
a
bed
in
place
and
within
a
month
or
two,
it's
full
of
weeds,
because
you
know
we've
not
done
our
job
properly,
then
in
that
case,
and
we
would
always
make
sure
that
you
know
a
large
part
of
what
takes
up
my
time
and
believe
it
or
not.
I
I
actually
have
another
job.
I
I
do
this
as
a
as
a
voluntary
project,
but
a
large
part
that
takes
on
my
time
is,
is
going
out
and
meeting
people
because
that's
when
you
really
get
a
sense
of
whether
they
want
you
to
just
build
their
Garden
or
whether
or
not
this
is
a
viable
Community
Asset
that
the
community
themselves
are
asking
for.
So
there
have
been
some
projects
that
we've
said
no
to
or
we've
said,
not
at
the
moment
too
and
I
think
the
ones
where
people
are
chasing
you
on
a
weekly
basis
because
they
really
want
it
to
happen.
I
B
G
G
I
Great
question:
yeah:
it's
it's
all
Grant
funded
to
be
honest
at
this
moment
in
time.
So
that's
part
of
the
activity
that
we're
trying
to
do
as
now
that
we've
been
sort
of
a
cic
community
Enterprise
for
a
year
is,
is
looking
at
what?
What
does
that
long
term
look
like,
because
it's
up
until
this
point
being
a
little
bit
hand
to
mouth
a
little
bit
sort
of
Grant
funded.
We
want
to
do
a
project
over
here.
Let's
write
a
bid
for
it
that
kind
of
thing,
and
it's
not
yeah.
I
It's
it's
very
much
hand
them
out.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
yes,
once
the
bed's
in
place,
that's
that's
a
sort
of
a
capital
investment,
but
actually
we
want
to
be
able
to
support
all
of
the
groups
and
then
there's
an
element
of
of
creating
leaders
as
well.
So
we
we
know
that
the
individuals
who
come
to
us
who
are
driving
change
in
their
areas,
they're
leaders,
but
actually,
how
do
we
support
them
to
create
more
leaders.
So
there's
an
element
there
of
sort
of
community
capacity
building
as
well.
B
Thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
your
presentation,
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
come
and
talk
to
us
down
and
thank
you
for
questions,
can
we
arrange
for
slides
to
be
sent
round
with
your
contact
details
and
then
members
can
get
in
touch
within
our
notice.
Also,
that
Jonathan
has
put
a
question
in
the
chat
that
he
would
like
to
see
the
slides
and
and
connect
as
well.
B
So
you
know
we
we
could
maybe
use
this
as
a
way
of
of
getting
that
information
out
across
to
different
wards
and
I
know
you.
You
said
that
I
had
met
with
Pam
yesterday,
which
I
did
and-
and
we
had
an
interest
in
conversation
that
involved
myself
and
councilor
Marshall
katung
about
progressing
the
idea
of
the
right
to
grow.
So
you
know.
Hopefully
this
is
the
start
of
something
in
terms
of
spreading
the
Incredible
Edible
work
around
the
city
and
and
looking
at
how
we
can
build
on
that.
C
M
C
Exactly
I
think
we've
had
I've
certainly
attended
a
presentation
that
Dan's
been
at
in
the
past
and
I
thought
it
was
at
the
food
and
biodiversity
meeting,
but
it
might
not
have
been,
did
I
attend.
So
many
of
these
things
that
maybe
they're
all
running
together,
I'm
just
checking
to
see
whether
or
not
we've
had
any
actions
from
our
biodiversity
and
food
strategy
group.
N
I,
don't
believe,
there's
been
any
that
I've
been
involved
in
since
been
as
part
of
the
the
team.
In
that
respect,
Council
I
think
what
we
had
I
know.
We
had
a
discussion
regarding
the
actions
from
the
Leeds
food
strategy
was
the
most
recent
presentation,
so
it
might
be
something
that
obviously
can
be
taken.
C
B
C
B
N
Obviously,
we've
acknowledged
the
comments
and
and
obviously
the
challenges
that
they
mentioned
in
terms
in
respect
to
the
climate,
change
and
ambition
of
netzera
and
just
as
a
quick
stop
summary.
We've
spoke
about
the
positive
work
that
Lee
is
currently
doing
and
obviously
they're
both
coming.
What
we're
going
to
be
continuing
to
do
and
reached
out
to
them
in
terms
of
any
responses
and
arranged
meetings
separately,
to
be
able
to
speak
with
them.
Regarding
future
consultation,.
B
C
The
last
time
this
was
done,
I
asked
a
question:
can
we
be
sent
copies
of
the
responses
and
I
was
told?
Yes,
we
would
get
responses
so
that
so,
in
other
words,
we
get
people
coming
to
us
in
the
open
Forum,
which
is
excellent,
and
then
we
were
going
to
see
the
actual
written
responses
that
went
back
now.
N
C
Just
it's
just
part
of
the
cycle
that,
in
other
words,
when
we
get
people
before
us
that
we
then
get
whatever
the
outputs
are
from
the
other
Council
departments,
whoever
it
is
that
have
responded
to
it
so
that
we
can
see
it
through.
A
good
example
would
have
been
the
grass
whether
or
not
it's
safe.
Now,
we've
had
a
lot
of
Correspondence
on
this
safety
or
otherwise,
without
reopening
the
debate
on
that.
You
know
that
was
one.
We
were
able
to
follow
from
start
to
finish.
Those
of
us
that
were
on
it.
C
So
that's
all
I'm
saying
is
so
that
we
get
a
full
picture
so
that
we
can
be
informed
when
we
are
discussing
things,
and
we
can
then
reflect
it
back
because
if
you
remember
the
last
time
it
was
controversial,
some
of
the
things
that
were
being
said
the
last
time.
So
what
was
the
council's
response
to
the
controversial
areas.
B
B
N
It
is
correct,
chair
we've
just
obviously
been
having
technical,
I.T
technical
issues
in
terms
of
the
obviously
in
trying
to
engage
with
our
counselors
regarding
attending
those
working
groups.
There's
obviously
spread
the
information
out
like
we
said
that
we
would
do
at
the
last
meeting,
but
yeah
that's
correct.
We've
got
the
the
first
of
the
working
groups
were
taking
place
next
week
and
then
the
other
dates
I'll
be
meeting
with
all
the
chairs
of
the
working
groups
to
discuss
our
upcoming
agenda
in
those
dates
and
those
those
will
be
cascaded
as
well.
N
C
N
Now
the
invitations
will
not
have
gone.
The
problem
we've
been
having
counselor
is
that
in
terms
of
I.T
permissions
in
terms
of
contacting
our
councilors
and
inviting
and
just
trying
to
sort
of
expand
the
network
for
our
councils
to
be
aware
of
attending
the
working
groups,
so
I'll
sort
of
I'll
have
a
look
into
those
invitations
and
see
to
obviously
in
terms
of
obviously
look
at
the
invitations
to
see
where
they've
gone
to.
We
can
always
have
a
look
if
it's.
B
B
Yeah,
we'll
we'll
we'll
have
a
look
at
that,
because
no
invitations
have
been
sent
out
because
I
was
I,
asked
Rachel
to
send
out
a
an
email
to
all
counselors
re,
inviting
them
to
the
groups
and
so
that
the
new
members
had
an
opportunity
of
joining
groups
and
there's
been
an
issue
with
permission
to
send
that
out.
So
it
hasn't
gone
out
yet
and
I
think
that
now
needs
to
to
to
possibly
mean
that
we
push
back
some
of
those
dates.
O
O
B
O
O
O
You
brilliant,
okay.
Well,
that's
good,
we'll
see
how
we
go.
There's
a
couple
of
animations
in
here
and
I
was
going
to
show
a
video
of
time
permitted,
but
it
might
not
now
so
I'll
consider
that
Shen
that
the
ground
afterwards,
but
with
that
amount
of
delay,
it
might
not
work
anyway.
So
we'll
see
here
we
go
so
I'll
start
with
an
introduction
again
just
to
provide
a
bit
more
context.
O
There
are
a
number
of
things
we
do
on
behalf
of
the
rest
of
the
council
and
I.
Certainly
work
closely
with
a
number
of
colleagues
on
the
call
in
terms
of
polycook's
team
in
terms
of
climate
resilience
and
adaptation,
flood
risk
being
the
biggest
climate
risk
that
the
city
faces,
but
only
one
of
many
different
sort
of
climate
related
risks
that
have
impacts
on
the
city.
So
what
I
was
planning
to
do?
O
The
report
that
I
shared
in
advance
I
suppose
gives
a
very
light
touch
summary
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
do,
but
I
was
going
to
flick
through
some
slides
that
try
and
give
again
a
sort
of
light
touch
summary
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
do.
So
that's,
okay,
happy
to
stop
pick
up
any
questions
afterwards,
a
couple
of
images
on
the
front
page
from
Boxing
Day
2015.
So
many
of
you
will
remember
that.
That's
the
today
that's
the
biggest
flood
that
we've
seen
in
the
city.
O
Climate
change
is
increasingly
making
flood
risk
more
likely
and
more
significant,
but
flood
on
the
scale
that
we
saw
on
Boxing
Day
2015.
Ideally,
we
wouldn't
see
very
many
of
them
because
that
was
a
very,
very
large
flood,
almost
a
meter
higher
than
the
biggest
flood
that
the
city
had
seen
previously
in
1866,
so
significant.
But
we
know
it
can
happen.
So,
therefore,
we
have
to
plan
infrastructure
and
we
have
to
plan
development
properly
to
avoid
that
having
the
same
level
of
impact
in
the
future.
O
Cool
excellent,
let's
get
in
there!
Thank
you.
So
this
is
just
a
quick
graphic,
just
I
supposed
to
emphasize
zooming
out
the
globally
the
the
pattern
that
we're,
seeing
only
in
the
last
30
odd
years,
around
meteorological
events
being
in
storms
and
things
like
that
in
the
green
and
hydrological
events
being
in
I
mean
floods,
mass
movements
of
of
water
in
the
blue,
so
this
is
fairly
straightforward.
O
O
Incidents
and
things
like
that.
So
I'll
cover
that
now
you
know,
snapshot
sort
of
the
red
line
is
the
long
term
average
for
the
East
and
Northeast
of
England
over
the
last
sort
of
50
years,
40
years.
Sorry
30
years
get
there
and
then
the
three
bars
per
month,
I
suppose,
are
just
trying
to
show
a
snapshot
with
the
last
three
years.
So
light
is
blue
three
years
ago
middle
blue
last
year
and
then
the
most
recent
data
for
the
last
12
months
in
the
darker
blue.
O
Quite
often
now
we
are
seeing
sort
of
majority
of
mums
higher
than
average
rainfall,
but
overall
you'd
have
probably
thought
that
actually
2023
has
been
relatively
dry,
but
but
maybe
it's
deceiving
so
we
do
try
and
track
the
data
in
a
bit
more
detail
again.
I,
don't
think
this
shows
anything
significant
in
terms
of
recent
flood
events.
But
what
it's
supposed
to
highlight
is
the
ability
for
us
to
have
data
in
the
city,
so
we
can
track
by
catchment.
So
this
shows
all
the
different
sort
of
hydrological
catchments
in
the
city.
O
But
one
of
the
main
rules
is
around
planning,
so
I
know
you've
got
local
Plan
update
after
this,
and
a
big
part
of
that
is
about
climate
change
and
the
way
that
we
manage
flood
risk
and
on
this
graph.
It
just
shows
you
that
the
team
within
my
area,
that
they
they
deal
with
over,
on
average
at
least
150
planning
applications
every
single
month
and
it's
fairly
consistent
around
50
of
them
are
major
applications.
O
So
the
majority
of
the
Cities
covered
in
Tower
cranes
at
the
moment,
they're
fairly
major
hundreds
of
houses
being
built
in
different
places.
It's
quite
technical
assessment
that
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
that
the
flood
risk
has
been
managed
effectively.
It's
probably
our
biggest
tool
actually
compared
to
building
infrastructure.
O
The
biggest
impact
we
have
on
managing
flood
risk
in
the
city
is
actually
through
our
statutory
role
as
a
planning
Consulting
because
of
the
level
of
investment.
If
you
think
about
the
hundreds
of
millions
billions
of
pounds
that
are
spent
in
the
city
developing
redeveloping
the
city,
we
have
a
real
influence
over
that
and
the
way
that
flood
risk
is
managed
we're
fairly
consistently
seeing
the
number
of
planning
applications
here
for
the
last
few
years.
O
O
There
is
a
significant
thing
we
anticipate
is
coming
in
next
year,
early
next
year,
so
defra
announced
earlier
this
year
that
schedule
three
of
the
flooded
Market
management
act.
You
don't
need
to
read
it
it's
it's
just
it's
a
piece
of
the
legislation
that
they
never
actually
brought
in
10
years
ago,
and
that's
around
sustainable
Urban
drainage
systems
and
our
role
in
that
as
a
local
Authority.
O
So
we
are
anticipating
that
that
part
of
the
legislation
will
be
enacted
early
next
year
and
we
need
to
plan
for
that
in
terms
of
resources,
policies,
governance
and
it
places
a
quite
a
significantly
different
responsibility,
statutory
Duty
on
the
local
authorities
around
the
country.
That's
what
we
anticipate
will
happen,
we're
doing
some
work
with
other
Yorkshire
colleagues
at
the
moment
to
try
and
understand,
like
collectively.
How
do
we
tackle
that
if
we're
all
recruiting
at
the
same
time
we're
all
creating
new
policies
and
new
governance
Arrangements?
O
At
the
same
time,
we
might
as
well
help
each
other
to
do
that
consistently,
so
that
work
is
is
happening.
I've
just
secured.
Some
funding
for
us
to
lead
a
project
so
leads
will
lead
that
for
the
region
to
sort
of
look
at
how
we,
how
we
do
that
once,
in
effect
the
biggest
change-
and
you
might
hear
this
going
forward-
so
something
called
the
Saab
so
as
Suds
approving
body
or
a
sustainable
Urban
Drainage
Systems,
improving
body
will
often
termit
a
Sab
that
doesn't
exist
at
the
moment.
O
O
It
doesn't
even
have
to
be
a
development
that
big
you
would
need
to
gain
a
sub
approval,
as
well
as
a
planning
consent
for
your
development.
What
it
really
does
is
strengthen
our
ability
to
manage
surface
water
flood
risk
sustainably
through
the
planning
system,
and
we
we
actually
do
a
really
good
job
of
that
I
feel
already.
It's
got
good
strong
planning
policies
in
leads.
O
We
try
and
enforce
that,
but
we
haven't
got
a
lot
of
teeth
where
we,
whereas
we
I
think
that
will
become
a
much
more
of
an
early
requirement,
rather
than
being
a
planning
condition
going
forward.
It
would
need
sub
approval
before
it
proceeds.
We
need
to
work
through
that.
What
that
really
means
is
we're
working
really
closely
with
planning
colleagues
to
do
that.
O
It'll
also
bring
in
sort
of
a
role
where
other
sort
of
water
and
sewage
companies,
environment
agency
and
Canal
and
River
trust,
internal
drainage
boards
highways
authorities.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
internal
drainage
pods
in
the
Leeds
we
do
have
one
and
but
they
would
become
statutory
consultees,
so
they
they'd
have
to
tell
us
what
they
think
about
things,
but
we
would
be
the
authority
that
oversees
that,
just
quickly
on
this,
so
it
it
affects
any
development
of
more
than
one
property
per
100
meters.
Squared.
O
So
at
the
moment
that
right
is
there,
but
you
do
that
through
the
water
in
sewage
companies.
This
Sab
would
would
play
an
important
role
in
making
sure
that
that's
managed
effectively.
So
what
it
should
see
is
more
management
of
surface
water
rather
than
just
connecting
it.
You
know
in
a
restricted
floor
to
an
existing
sewer
system.
O
Yeah,
it
doesn't
change
anything
in
connection
to
foul.
So
it's
our
foul
connections,
it's
about
surface
water.
I
did
just
want
to
touch
on
this.
This
is
a
recent
article
that
was
in
the
guardian
and
I
think
again.
I
think
this
is
something
that
you
know.
We
want
to
work
with
the
industry
and
work
with
watering
sewage
companies
to
understand
how
we
do
incentivize
people
to
not
pave
over
their
driveways
pave
over
their
Gardens
put
up
big
buildings
in
their
Gardens
without
managing
the
water
effectively.
O
We've
got
a
very
large
scheme
running
along
the
river
Air
at
the
moment
that
we
are
delivering
on
a
main
river,
which
would
normally
be
an
environment
agency
role
to
manage
main
river
flood
risk.
But
in
Leeds
we
are
a
little
bit
different
and
we're
very
proud
of
that
and
we're
one
of
the
only
local
authorities
in
the
country
that
operates
under
delegated
powers
from
the
environment
agencies.
So
we
have
their
powers
delegated
to
us
to
deliver
infrastructure
schemes
and
also
maintain
and
Implement
and
actively
manage
those
schemes.
O
O
We
are
looking
at
natural
flood
management,
sorry
for
the
acronym
nfm
natural
flood
management,
using
nature-based
solutions
to
manage
flood
risk.
We
are
looking
at
that
city-wide,
so
you
know
linking
in
with
other
teams
that
are
doing
Mass
tree
planting,
but
also
looking
at
the
way
that
soil
is
managed
around
the
city,
so
that
soil
health
is,
is
a
very
important
and
effective
way
to
manage
runoff
and
manage
flood
risk.
O
O
Some
of
that
money
was
canceled
directly
Council
funded
as
well,
but
we
do
try
and
bring
in
I
think
seven
pounds
of
external
funding
for
every
pound
that
we
spend
of
council
money
on
floodway
schemes,
at
least
if
we
try
and
we
get
a
decent
bank
for
our
book.
But
the
interesting
one
at
otley
is
that
we've
done
some
Wildflower
Metals
there
and
they
seem
to
get
more
credit
than
the
flood
scheme.
But
we
have.
O
We
have
14
meter,
long
steel,
piles
down
into
the
ground
to
cut
off
because
it's
sat
on
gravel,
so
the
flood
waters
would
bypass
the
flood
defense
under
the
ground,
even
though
we've
built
a
flood
Bank
above
it,
but
the
amenity
value.
That's
come
from
opening
up
a
Watercourse
on
this
on
the
site,
replanting
with
a
wildflower
mixture
rather
than
a
standard
grass
mix
and
planted
quite
a
large
number
of
trees.
Compared
to
what
we
had
to
remove
is
quite
a
big
Improvement.
O
We're
also
managing
the
vegetation
in
the
river
so
that
actually
the
the
vegetation
on
the
islands
Downstream
of
the
Weir
have
an
impact
of
about
a
foot
in
terms
of
flood
levels
in
a
major
flood.
If
we,
if
we
manage
them
proactively,
it
reduces
that
by
that
flood
level
by
300
mil.
So
that's
work
that
we
will
continue
to
do
over
the
next
10
years
and
then
it
should
sort
of
be
quite
self-sustaining.
O
I
won't
play
the
video
just
now,
but
there
is
a
link
in
the
slides
when
we
share
those
that
we'll
give
you
a
video.
It's
a
really
good
one
I
know
I'm
saying
that,
but
I
am
quite
proud
of
it
that
it's
the
residents
talking
about
their
experiences
of
flooding
and
the
difference
it
makes
between
what
they
used
to
feel
like
before
they
were
protected
by
a
flood
scheme
and
what
they
feel
like
now,
and
it
is
quite
powerful.
O
This
is
a
different
scheme
that
we've
done
recently
it's
hard
to
take
it
exciting
pictures
of
a
call
that
so
covert
would
be
like
a
tunnel
that
Watercourse
runs
through
underground
and
we've
removed
that
it's
in
between
two
business
units,
a
really
difficult,
complicated
site,
but
actually
nearly
a
million
pounds
worth
of
investment
in
quite
complicated
engineering,
Works
to
reduce
flood
risk
to
about
15
properties,
Upstream
that
have
flooded
quite
frequently
in
the
past
again.
This
is
main
river,
so
again,
environment,
agency
jurisdiction,
but
we've
worked
under.
O
We
took
the
scheme
on
we've
done
the
modeling.
We
did
the
the
construction
work
and
we
did
that
on
the
delegated
Powers.
Again
sorry,
just
to
go
back
up.
The
second
phase
of
this
scheme
will
actually
all
be
a
natural
flood
measurement,
flood
risk
management
scheme,
so
tree
planting
water
storage,
areas
on
farm
and
agricultural
land
and
working
with
the
farmers
to
sort
of
improve
the
soil
Health
in
the
catchment,
and
that
will
complement
this
scheme
and
maintain
the
standard
of
protection
into
the
future.
O
This
is
a
picture
of
Leeds
fast
one
when
it
was
in
construction,
so
this
is
a
nostrop
near
to
thwart
Mill,
Museum
and
so
you've
got
the
canal
and
the
river
side
by
side
here.
This
was
completely
flooded
during
the
boxing
day,
2015
floods-
it
probably
looked
like
this,
but
it
completely
got
inundated
which
cost
the
scheme
an
extra
five
million
pounds.
In
fact,
but
this
is
now
operational.
O
We've
operated
this
a
number
of
times
and
we
have
Duty
teams
on
standby,
24
7
all
year
and
we
are-
and
our
team
operates
these
sort
of
Innovative
assets
to
re,
to
reduce
their
level
by
letting
the
air
out
of
compressed
air
system
that
that
then
reduces
the
level
of
the
Weirs
and
allows
more
flood
waters
space
in
the
city
center.
So
we
don't
pass
that
risk
on
Downstream.
We
just
give
it
more
space
in
the
city
center
by
reducing
the
levels
of
the
Weirs.
O
It's
probably
the
piece
of
kit
that
gives
us
more
headaches
than
anything
else
in
the
city,
because
it
tells
us
the
level
of
the
wheels
and
the
environment
here
is
very
hostile,
so
it
gets.
They
get
battered
with
fridges
and
gas
bottles
and
everything
else,
and
we
do
find
that
they're
actually
susceptible
to
a
lot
of
damage.
So
we're
looking
at
new
technology
to
try
and
replace
this
kit,
but
it's
it's
absolutely
vital
to
the
way
that
we
it
sits
underneath
this
is
a
picture
in
the
bottom
left
of
this.
O
Underneath
of
what
the
wheels
look
like
when
the
water's
not
going
over
it-
and
we
do
now
have
to
use
diving
teams
quite
often
to
come
and
inspect
the
Weirs
we
we
need
a
specialist
contractor
team
to
do
that.
For
us,
top
right
is
is
a
picture
of
us
just
we
do
it
cycle
realm
with
tablets.
It
was
just
a
picture
I
found,
but
we
do
use
tablets
out
in
the
field
a
lot
to
try
and
make
sure
that
we
don't.
O
We
don't
have
to
use
paper
when
we're
out
or
we
don't
have
to
double
count
the
activities
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of
our
asset
management.
Work
live
using
technology
while
we're
out
on
site
just
a
little
bit
more
of
a
focus
on
the
flood
alleviation
scheme
that
runs
along
the
river
air.
So
we
did
it
in
two
phases:
phase
one
was
the
city
center.
One
pictures
I've
just
shown
you
phase
two
is
in
construction.
O
Now
so
many
of
you
might
have
seen
that
along
the
coastal
Road
Corridor
lots
of
investment
in
that
total
investment
here,
probably
in
the
region
of
about
175
million
pounds
which
would
protect
us
today
against
the
type
of
floodlight
we
saw
in
boxing
day,
but
with
climate
change.
Actually,
the
risk
of
that
flood
being
too
great
for
the
defenses
that
we've
got
is
a
reality
and
we
have
to
look
at
ways
to
complement
that
as
well.
O
We've
got
a
large
storage
area
that
we're
calling
is
carefully
it's
sort
of
between
rodley
and
aptly
bridge
in
the
valley.
Bottom
and
again,
it's
it's
an
active
defense,
so
the
teams
will
have
to
be
on
standby
to
operate
that
24
7.
and
that's
a
little
bit
different
in
that
we
lift
the
gear
up
and
everything
that's
extra
floor
above
what
the
city
defenses
can
cope
with:
We
Hold,
It
Back
above
the
city
in
a
large
Reservoir
with
about
million
cubic
meters
worth
of
storage.
O
O
This
is
just
to
highlight
this
on
the
way
we've
delivered
the
scheme
in
different
zones.
So
I
won't
expect
you
to
read
all
the
writing,
but
it
just
shows
you
that
we've
we've
sort
of
bringing
forward
each
of
these
zones
in
parallel.
So
there's
a
huge
amount
of
construction
work
happening
out
on
the
ground
at
the
moment:
Zone
15's,
actually
in
Bradford,
at
Appley,
bridge
and
Zone
14.
Is
this
large
storage
area
sort
of
activated
storage
area?
O
O
The
blocks
at
the
bottom
are
to
help
fish
passage,
so
we
don't
need
a
separate
fish
pass.
The
the
the
blocks
create
turbulence
in
the
water
that
allows
fishes
fish
to
pass
across
the
structure
in
future.
Both
the
the
middle
concrete,
pier
there
in
the
picture,
is
in
the
middle
of
a
20
meter
span,
so
both
get
there'll
be
a
gate
either
side
there'll
be
10
meters
wide
and
that
will
be
hydraulically
raised
in
a
flood.
O
O
The
wonders
never
cease
to
the
right
brilliant,
so
this
is
the
Cavalry
flood
storage
area,
so
the
river
is
running
through
through
the
valley.
Bottom
we've
got
a
railway
line
right
at
the
side
of
this
site
as
well.
In
the
top
right,
you
can
see
sort
of
an
animation
of
what
the
structure
will
look
like
when
it's
completed,
and
at
the
moment
we
are
in
the
process
of
we've
diverted
a
section
of
river
and
then
we've
started
to
build
a
new
new
flood
bank.
O
What
what
the
key
bit
that
we've
got
here
is
that
the
red
line
on
the
bottom
is
what
the
river
does
Downstream
when
we
activate
our
gates.
If
we
didn't
do
anything,
the
Blue
Line
shows
how
much
extra
water
would
hit
the
city
center.
So,
in
effect,
all
that
extra
water
is
kept
Upstream
of
the
city
in
a
in
a
bowl
along
the
valley
bottom
that
doesn't
affect
anybody
else,
but
what
it
does
do
is
make
sure
that
the
defenses
through
the
city
center
can
co-op
so
we'd
have
hydraulically
operated
Gates
here.
O
That
would
lift
and
they
would
hold
this
additional
water
back
Upstream,
so
we're
creating
a
reservoir
under
the
reservoirs
act.
So
the
sort
of
highest
level
of
civil
engineering,
tolerances
and
and
and
guidance
that
we
have
to
follow,
and
then
it
shows
the
cascading
water.
There
is
only
the
amount
of
floor
that
we
can
actually
cope
with
in
the
city
center.
O
O
We
did
set
targets
as
a
project
to
reduce
the
amount
of
material,
the
amount
of
carbon
emissions
that
are
associated
with
materials
by
20,
from
the
initial
design
stage
to
what
we've
implemented,
and
we
have
achieved
that,
and
also
to
reduce
emissions
associated
with
transportation
and
the
energy
usage,
and
things
like
that
during
the
scheme
by
10.
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
was
actually
that
the
clear
that
we
use
to
build
the
embankment
across
the
valley
bottom,
we
actually
borrowed.
O
We,
we
took
that
material
from
an
adjacent
field
to
all
the
transport
emissions
associated
with
bringing
that
importing
that
from
elsewhere,
have
been
reduced.
It
also
reduces
the
impact
on
all
these
houses
here,
as
well
in
terms
of
traffic
traffic
load
and
noise
and
and
air
pollution.
One
of
the
things
that's
really
important
here
is
for
infrastructure
projects.
What
we
need
to
do
is
try
and
think
many
many
years
in
advance
in
terms
of
how
would
we
purchase
land?
O
It
was
tested
in
in
November
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
that
protection
against
one
flood
has
actually
already
meant
that
the
scheme
effectively
is
carbon
positive
because
it
avoided
all
the
work
and
the
emissions
and
the
materials
to
repair
all
the
houses
and
to
redo
all
and
to
and
all
the
damage
it
would
have
caused.
So
that's
the
sort
of
type
of
assessment
that
we've
started
to
do
and
that's
the
same.
It's
the
same
for
the
leads
fast.
O
So
even
though
it's
a
huge
engineering
project,
lots
of
Steel
lots
of
concrete
and
we're
doing
our
best
to
reduce
the
emissions
associated
with
the
materials.
Actually,
if
we
can
avoid
one
flood
like
the
Boxing
Day
flood
by
protecting
the
city
against
that,
actually
the
carbon
pays
for
itself.
In
some
respects,
we
still
got
to
do
what
we
can
in
terms
of
materials
and
design,
but
it's
important
that
we
look
at
the
sort
of
impact
of
what
we're
avoiding
natural
food
management
is
something
I
touched
on
earlier.
O
But
it's
a
really
big
part
of
Leeds
fast
too.
So
the
the
engineering
work
we
maximize
what
we
could
deliver
through
steel
and
walls
and
and
Gates,
and
but
actually
that
won't
be
enough.
So
the
impacts
of
climate
change
would
mean
that
we
will
face
7.9,
more
water
in
a
major
flood
at
its
peak.
So
the
peak
floor
hitting
leads
by
2069
because
of
climate
change
would
be
7.9
percent
more.
O
We
built
in
2.9
of
that
sort
of
extra
into
the
engineering
works,
but
we
couldn't
do
any
more.
We've
not
got
the
room,
we've
not
got
the
capacity,
so
the
extra
five
percent
that
we
need
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
climate
change
by
2069
is
to
deliver
quite
an
extensive
natural
food
Management
program,
Upstream
of
the
city.
So
nearly
all
this
is
in
the
upper
catchment,
so
the
headwaters
of
the
river
areas
at
mallam
and
and
lots
of
the
catchment
in
that
area.
O
And
that
allows
us
to
adapt
to
climate
change
over
time.
It's
quite
unique.
We
don't
do
this
on
flood
schemes.
Ordinarily,
we
deliver
it
through
an
engineering
solution,
but
this
is
a
complementary
way
of
maximizing
the
ability
for
that
for
nature,
to
support
the
city
and
complement
the
engineering
works
in
the
city.
O
Just
some
examples
of
sort
of
leaky
dams.
We've
done
some
of
that
work.
We've
we've
planted
lots
of
trees
in
the
upper
catchment,
so
picture
councilor
Blake
when
she
was
here
or
baroness
Blick
now
planting
the
first
trees
I
think
it
was
we're
actually
up
at
half
a
million
trees
planted
now
so
far,
and
we've
delivered
around
500
hectares
of
soil
and
management.
O
But
we've
got
to
repeat
that
so,
whereas
trees
are
planted
once
and
as
long
as
they're
maintained,
they'll
sustain
for
the
lifetime
of
the
scheme,
soil
and
land
management
techniques
might
need
repeating
every
two
three
four
years,
and
so
we've
got
to
look
at
solutions.
For
that
last
slide.
Is
our
proposal
is
to
create
a
new
company
called
the
air
resilience
company
I.
Think
councilor
Dyer
very
briefly
spoke
to
you
about
this
yesterday.
O
So
it
would
be
a
community
interest
company
that
would
look
to
bring
in
investment
private
investment
to
pay
for
the
interventions
in
the
catchment
long
into
the
future,
but
we
would
repair
that
investment
by
buyers,
which
could
be
large
corporate
businesses
in
the
city
could
be
water.
Companies
could
be
public
bodies
that
would
pay
for
the
fact
that
the
benefit
is
we're
reducing
the
impacts
of
climate
change
to
the
city.
O
So
without
that
future
investment,
actually
climate
change
will
mean
that
the
risk
of
flooding
happening
in
Leeds
would
continue
to
increase,
whereas
if
they
can
pay
for
the
benefit
of
keeping
that
law,
but
with
natural
flow
management,
there
are
a
lot
of
other
benefits.
Biodiversity
benefits.
Social
benefits
actually
could
be
benefits
to
agriculture
in
terms
of
productivity
of
land.
O
I
want
my
last
line
of
light.
Sorry
this
is
I
was
just
going
to
open
it
up
for
questions,
and
this
is
a
infographic
that
just
show
us
some
of
the
numbers:
1500
homes,
better
protected
and
370
businesses
from
the
second
phase
of
the
scheme.
So
lots
of
benefits
in
the
city,
but
an
approach
to
Texas
right
up
into
the
catchment
foreign.
H
Hi
thanks
Jonathan
for
that
I'm,
particularly
interested
in
finding
out
more
about
the
works
to
worldly
back
up
in
the
Consular
forefrontally
and
workload.
Would
you
be
able
to
send
me
that
separately?
Please
it's
a
common
query
raised
by
people,
particularly
living
on
the
branches
that
experience
flooding
a
few
years
back.
O
G
Hi
Jonathan
thanks
for
that
very
good
presentation.
I
might
ask
you
this
question
before,
but
it
relates
to
I
know
you
do
a
a
kbi
that
relates
to
properties
removed
from
flood
risk
land,
but
I'm
still
curious
to
know.
The
report
simply
says
that,
through
the
various
schemes
that
you
introduce,
each
one
will
remove
so
many
homes
from
flood
risk
land.
But
I
was
just
curious
to
know
whether
we're
actually
also
building
new
businesses
and
and
homes
on
flood
risk
land.
O
Yeah
I
think
I
think
Council
the
Foster.
You
did
touch
on
this
at
a
recent
scrutiny
panel
and
I
think
hopefully,
I'll
give
the
same
answer
but
I
think
it.
The
key
thing
to
note
through
the
planning
system
is
that
actually
we
wouldn't
give
technical
approval
to
any
development
that
either
increases
flood
risk
to
other
properties
or
that
those
properties
being
developed
are
outflowed
risk
themselves.
O
So
we
we
that
was,
it's
almost
like
a
pass
and
fail
so
that
we
we
cannot.
Obviously
risk
could
increase
over
time
and
we'd
have
to
deal
with
the
information
we
get
now,
but
through
the
planning
system,
it's
quite
a
high
bar,
so
they
would
have
to
prove
as
a
developer
that
the
risk
to
those
properties
in
you
know
in
a
large
flood
plus
an
impact
of
climate
change
into
the
future.
O
They
would
have
to
prove
that
that
sort
of
scenario
that
their
site
isn't
at
risk
in
that
scenario
and
that
their
development
isn't
putting
anybody
else
at
increased
risk,
so
that,
as
I
said
earlier,
that
the
planning
system
for
us
is
actually
one
of
our
strongest
tools
and
equally,
we
can't
build
a
new
flood
scheme
that
increases
flood
risk
elsewhere.
So
as
much
as
we're
trying
to
solve
one
problem,
we're
not
allowed
to
create
another
problem
elsewhere
that
the
scheme
has
to
do
both
things.
G
O
G
Q
You
chair
thanks
Jonathan,
we
have
met
before
and
obviously
it's
fabulous
work
that
you're
doing
on
the
air.
That's
amazing
the
wharf's
up
at
the
top
of
your
map,
and
you
know
that
there
are
some
issues
in
the
Weatherby
calling
them.
So
that's
Weatherby
and
Harewood
Wards
areas
are
just
interested
to
know
when
some
kind
of
flood
alleviation
scheme
might
actually
be
brought
forward.
Is
that
probably
a
10
or
20
year?
Q
O
Thanks
councilor
Harrington,
so
I
think
the
the
otley
scheme
was
the
first
one
that
we
brought
forward
on
the
wharf
and
that
the
modeling
work
for
that
scheme.
Actually,
we
did,
we
did
it
for
the
full
stretch
of
the
war
for
the
city,
so
in
terms
of
having
the
data
oddly
helped
the
other
communities
further
Downstream
on
the
wharf
as
well.
O
What
we're
also
needing
to
do
is
develop
options
that
then
use
that
model
for
the
areas
like
say:
Boston,
spa,
Weatherby
and
others
and
calling
them
so
we're
doing
that
work
at
the
moment.
So
we
have
consulted
on
that
publicly.
There's
a
it's
called
a
wharfdale
flooded
communities
study.
So
that's
a
live
study
at
the
moment
again
we're
using
delegated
powers
from
the
environment
agency.
F
Yeah
hi,
thanks
for
the
presentation
I
mean
this.
Might
this
might
be
beyond
your
remit,
and
it
might
also
be
too
late,
but
I'd
be
interested
to
know
if
you
or
others
on
the
call
had
any
insights
as
to
the
possible
or
the
possibilities
of
putting
hydroelectric
installations
into
the
river
and
yeah
like
with
Hein
with
hindsight.
Would
it
have
been
a
really
good
good
time
to
have
done
it
when
we're
kind
of
building
lots
of
things
anyway,
but
also
now
that
we
have
more
infrastructure?
O
A
good
question:
it's
a
bit
of
a
Minefield,
if
I'm,
honest
so
I,
think
that's
why
not
a
lot
of
hydropower
schemes
are
coming
forward
so
originally
for
Leeds
fast
one.
The
plan
for
the
nostropper
here,
Northway
Mill,
was
to
incorporate
hydroelectric
station
that
the
council
wouldn't
have
brought
forward.
O
So
we,
the
sort
of
impact
of
hydroelectric,
been
on
that
asset
meant
that
that
would
have
had
too
big
an
impact
from
a
biodiversity
perspective
and
I
think
that's
what
makes
it
quite
difficult
to
bring
hydroelectric
power
schemes
forward
is
the
impact
that
they
have
and
been
able
to
mitigate
that
effectively.
So
there
is
a
hydropower
scheme
on
the
Weir
at
otley
and
it's
privately
managed,
but
there's
very
few
about
and
I
think
it's
because
they're
very
difficult
to
get
through
from
a
technical
review
point
of
view
because
of
water
framework
directive.
O
So
the
the
water
framework
directive
requirements
that
you've
got
to
meet
to
do
a
scheme
in
a
river
I,
think
they're,
making
hydroelectric
schemes
too
difficult
to
bring
forward
they've,
become
unaffordable
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we've
found,
so
we
we've
seen
very
few
applications
to
do
hydrology
schemes
going
for
now
which,
like
you
say
it
seems,
a
shame
because
you
know
renewable
energy
is
the
way
forward
and
it
seems
an
untapped
resource.
But
actually
the
legislation
really
makes
it
very
difficult
to
bring
that
forward.
C
It
was
just
with
Adam
being
in
the
from
planning
being
in
the
call
I
personally
I'm
satisfied
with
what
Jonathan
said
that
I
think
the
professional
advice
will
be
there.
But
what
does
concern
me
is
whether
or
not
planning
are
up
to
the
challenge
that
this
will
have,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
coming
to
us
on
plans.
C
Panels
and
saying
you
know,
concerns
about
flooding,
except
so
Etc
I'm,
not
I
mean
bearing
in
mind
any
system
is
only
as
good
as
its
weakest
point,
and
we
know
that
in
a
number
of
other
instances
on
the
climate
change
side,
the
weakest
link
is
actually
planning
departments,
understanding
the
development
management,
not
Adam,
not
Adam's
section
to
make
it
clear.
It's
the
development
management
part
of
it.
They
don't
always
understand,
what's
been
happening
here.
P
P
I'm
gonna
come
on
to
later
about
sort
of
new
policies
that
we're
looking
at
I
think
the
local
Plan
update,
but
in
terms
of
flood
risk.
A
lot
of
those
are
kind
of
tweaks
rather
than
fundamental
revisions,
and
the
general
thrusts
is,
is
the
same
I
think
in
terms
of
things
like
say,
capacity,
building
and
skills,
and
things
like
that.
P
I
think
we
we
all
recognize
that
you
know
the
world
is,
is
changing
a
lot
in
terms
of
the
technologies
that
need
to
be
used,
certainly
with
things
like
yeah
Net,
Zero
aspirations
and
things
like
that
and
I.
Think
all
planning
departments
across
the
country
are
looking
at
kind
of
skills
and
training,
and
things
like
that
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
we've
got
the
skills
in-house
to
be
able
to
deal
with
with
those
issues,
and
we
can't
forget.
You
know:
dollar
management.
P
Colleagues
have
to
consider
a
huge
amount
of
technical
reports,
far
more
than
has
ever
been
the
case
before
you
know,
there's
yeah
the
the
weight
of
information
that
comes
attached
with
a
plan
and
application
today,
compared
with
say
30
years
ago,
is
dramatically
different,
all
of
which
has
to
be
understood
and
and
digested
by
a
case
officer.
So
I
have
confidence
that
that
those
case
officers
are
are
doing
the
best
job
that
they
can
and
that
we're
making
good
decisions.
Boards,
I,
think
is
kind
of
Jonathan
touches
on
there
are.
P
There
are
areas
of
the
city
where
there
are
there
are.
There
are
challenges
in
terms
of
whether
development
should
happen
there
or
not.
There
might
be
high
flood
risks,
but
there
might
also
be
very,
very
sustainable,
for
other
reasons,
there's
a
reason
why
we're
protecting
the
city
center
because
it's
it's
a
great
place
to
develop,
but
it's
also
a
risk
flooding.
So
there
are,
there
are
challenges
here
and
conflicts
here
that
we
have
to
manage
to
include
Jonathan's
team
is
doing
a
fantastic
job
in
helping
us
do
that.
C
C
Now,
because
that
information
is
no
longer
going
to
be
in
the
public
domain,
it's
going
to
cause
all
sorts
of
problems
for
residents
trying
to
argue
a
point,
because
they'll
think
it
isn't
being
covered
because
they
don't
see
any
evidence
that
it's
been
raised
beforehand.
So
it's
how
we
get
round
it's
the
law
of
unintended
consequences.
That's
the
point
I'm
getting
it's
not
that
anybody's
intentionally
tripping
anybody
up!
C
It's
the
law
of
unintended
consequences,
because
you
know
there
are
some
parts
and
we
can
always
name
them
just
now
where
we've
got
experts,
in
inverted
commas,
in
our
Awards,
we
will
come
forward
with
our
flood.
Explanation.
Jonathan's
then
asked
to
do
an
analysis
on
that,
but
that
none
of
that
can
be
put
in
the
public
domain
from
The
public's
point
of
view,
but
Jonathan's
advice
is
put
in
the
public
domain.
P
Yeah
I,
I,
I
I
I,
understand
that
I
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
the
changes
in
terms
of
kind
of
third-party
comments
in
terms
of
plan
applications,
but
I
mean
I'm
not
directly
involved
in
that
cancer.
But
my
understanding
is
that
that's
a
sort
of
a
trial
period
for
six
months
is
my
understanding
for
for
that.
P
So
we
will
we'll
see
if,
if
any
of
those
laws
of
unintended
consequences
do
do
occur,
and
hopefully
they
don't
I
think
you
know,
we
can
have
confidence,
obviously
that
if
something's
been
alerted
to
to
Jonathan's
team
and
his
colleagues
and
they
you
know,
they
look
through
their
evidence
and
see
whether
something
is
required
that
they
will,
they
will
carry
that
out
and
they
will
they
will
do
what's
what's
required
and
if,
if
further
support
or
further
information
is
requested
of
applicants,
then
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
P
B
P
J
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
just
on
that
map.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
Jonathan
for
all
the
hard
work
that
he's
doing
and
it's
great
that
the
environment
agencies
actually
trust
in
our
offices
and
to
actually
provide
the
work
that
they
should
be
doing.
So
that's
excellent
news.
You
had
me
with
Beck
mentioned
on
that
that
was,
we
were
kind
of
informed.
J
There
was
some
work
going
on
on
on
the
meward
back,
but
we've
it's
kind
of
gone
quiet
so
that
we've
not
heard
anything
back
from
that
and
the
other
thing
that
you
discussed
Jonathan
about
incentives.
So
people
don't
pave
over
all
their
Gardens.
So
have
you
got
anything
in
the
pipeline
or
is
it
something
that
you're
hoping
for
government
to
to
kind
of
give
us
some
funding
and
then
on?
On
top
of
that,
I
was
just
wondering.
J
Is
there
any
designs
where
people
can
actually
have
some
sort
of
storage
facility,
the
water
to
help
with
flooding,
industry,
streets
and
areas,
I've
realized
as
we're
talking
about
City
centers
and
others?
We
never
used
to
get
the
buildup
of
surface
water
as
much
is
it
because
most
streets
are
paved
or
even
most
now,
areas
are
pedestrianized
and
we've
just
got
concrete
everywhere
rather
than
grass.
J
O
Yes,
thank
you
for
that.
Meanwood
Beck
is
still
a
live
project,
it's
sort
of
in
a
similar,
but
what
I
said
to
councilor
McCluskey
in
terms
of
it's
a
study,
that's
ongoing
and
there's
an
update
due
and
we've
looked
at
different
options.
We've
been
doing
modeling
for
a
while,
even
I
find
flood
risk
projects
a
little
bit
frustrating
because
they
take
a
lot
of
time.
So
yeah
apologies.
O
If
it
feels
like
we've
gone
quiet,
it's
just
it's
just
that
we're
working
with
a
supply
chain
in
the
background
to
sort
of
do
the
complicated
modeling
and
look
at
the
different
options.
But
there
is
a
scheme
planned
for
the
moon
would
bet
catchment
it'll
it'll,
complement
the
works
at
sheepsga
because
that's
the
same
same
Watercourse,
but
we'll
bring
the
Sheep
Scout
Works
in
for
in
front.
O
I
think
you'll
be
very
welcome
if
they
could
do
that
in
the
right
way
that
they
incentivize
the
right
activities
and
the
right
actions.
I.
Think
from
our
point
of
view,
our
our
best
tool
is
probably
the
new
legislation
around
Suds,
hopefully
that
you
know
we.
We
would
have
the
power
for
people
to
sort
of
retro
retrospectively
fit
sustainable,
Urban
drainage,
and
that
comes
on
to
your
last
Point
around.
How
would
we
collectively?
O
How
could
we
manage
surface
water
better
in
communities
to
prevent
that
sort
of
localized
flooding
that
only
affects
one
or
two
properties,
and
we
find
that
quite
difficult,
sometimes
to
put
Capital
works
together
to
protect
one
or
two
properties,
whereas
actually
lots
of
smaller
schemes
that
sort
of
retrospectively
manage
runoff
locally
in
places
is,
is
definitely
the
way
we
need
to
go.
We
find
those
schemes
quite
hard
to
fund.
We
need
to
work
with
Yorkshire
water
and
off
what
and
others
to
find
funding
for
schemes
like
that.
O
We've
done
one
in
rounding
recently
with
Yorkshire
water
on
a
sort
of
Highways
retrospective
sod
scheme,
so
it
took
sort
of
standard,
Highway,
setup
and
and
retrospectively
looked
at
managing
the
runoff
differently
and
done
that,
in
conjunction
with
our
highways,
colleagues
and
I
would
like
to
see
a
lot
more
of
them
around
the
city.
If
we
could
get
funding
for
that.
B
O
I
know
you
did
you'd
attended
a
workshop
that
we
ran
in
December
last
year.
I
think
we've
we've
for
a
long
time.
We've
viewed
climate
change
through
the
lens
of
mitigation
in
terms
of
reducing
carbon
emissions.
We
have
to
do
that
with
a
lot
to
do
on
that
as
a
city
to
hit
the
20
30
Target
to
be
Net
Zero,
but
adaptation
to
climate
change
and
improving
the
city's
resilience
is
is
fundamental,
we're
already
seeing
the
impacts
of
climate
change
in
the
city
that
will
only
continue
to
drive
forward.
O
Even
if
we
do
manage
to
limit
global
warming
to
one
and
a
half
degrees,
we
will.
We
will
still
see
the
impacts
of
a
change
climate
and
so
and
for
me,
everything
that
we
do
as
a
council,
we
move
people
from
places.
We
provide
services
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
We
try
and
support
people's
movement
around
the
city
on
the
transport
Network.
We
provide
buildings
for
people,
I,
don't
think
there'll
be
many
services
that
would
not
be
impacted
by
a
changed
climate.
O
We
saw
last
year
in
July,
a
heat
wave
and
the
impact
that
that
had
on
services.
Again,
not
just
our
own
operations,
but
the
you
know.
The
sort
of
people
that
we
serve
in
the
city
are
all
impacted
by
that.
The
infrastructure
that
we've
got
the
services
that
we've
got
need
to
work
differently
in
a
changed
climate,
and
you
know
that's
not
just
restricted
to
flooding
but
but
I
do
think.
O
There's
work
that
we
can
do
collectively
to
sort
of
assess
that
risk
so
that
service
by
service
I
think
there's
work
only
to
do
with
with
Polly's
team
I'm
already
working
with
Rachel
and
Chad
on
this
is
how
do
we
help
each
part
of
the
council
to
understand
the
risk?
How
do
we
sort
of
give
them
the
tools
and
the
assessments
so
that
they
don't?
They
can
see
it
through
that
lens
and
I?
Think
that's
what
we
should
do
centrally.
O
So
I'd
be
very
surprised
if
there's
any
areas
of
this
of
the
council
that
are
unaffected
by
that.
But
there's
some
obvious
ones
like
I
was
Transportation
light.
Waste,
Management
Services,
where
they're
actively
moving
around
the
city
and
providing
a
service
infrastructure
structure,
will
be
heavily
impacted
by
flooding
in
future
and
and
we
can't
mitigate
all
of
that
risk.
And
so
there's
certain
services
that
you
know.
We
do
need
to
work
really
closely
with
to
help
them
to
manage
that.
B
B
B
I
think
that
would
be
good
for
something
that
we
could
look
at
in
the
infrastructure
working
group.
If
people
are
in
agreement,
can
we
put
that
as
a
recommendation
that
we
we
look
at
that
in
more
detail,
particularly
in
light
of
your
presentation,
Jonathan
and
and
the
questions
and
how
we're
going
to
need
to
look
at
the
changes
moving
forward
in
that
can
I
get
a
nod
on
that?
B
B
One
of
the
things
you
mention
is
is
as
one
of
your
monitoring
indicators
to
look
at
improving
engagement
on
flood
risk.
I
think
that,
as
as
the
climate
changes
is
going
to
be
something
that's
really
important,
so
I
wondered
whether
people
particularly
counselors,
will
be
happy
to
bring
that
to
the
community
and
business
engagement
working
group,
and
maybe
look
at
that
as
a
topic.
B
M
P
P
It's
all
looking
good
excellent.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
will
apologize
in
advance,
I,
don't
have
any
animations
I'm
afraid
to
say,
but
I'll
I'll
make
sure
we
get
we.
We
do
some
research
in
that
area
and
see
if
we
can
bring
some
the
next
time.
We
come
what
I
wanted
to
use
today's
session.
Obviously
you'll
all
hopefully
have
had
a
chance
to
read
through
the
report,
but
just
wanted
to
to
give
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
local
Plan
update,
I'm.
P
This
consultation
was
about
the
specific
wording
of
specific
draft
policies
in
terms
of
the
consultation
material.
We
try
to
provide
a
variety
of
things
to
different
people,
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
we
sort
of,
took
as
many
different
kinds
of
you
know,
people's
views
and
the
kind
of
the
way
people
absorb
information.
P
P
So
we
had
a
video
a
a
summary:
that's
in
the
top
right
hand
corner,
so
you
sort
of
tried
to
make
use
of
attractive
kind
of
Graphics
there
to
make
things
a
bit
more
approachable,
we're
using
Facebook
adverts,
a
lot
of
kind
of
social
media
where
we
got
about
170
000
people
were
kind
of
shown
to
to
have
viewed
those
adverts.
We've
got
about
9
000
views
on
our
website
and
we
also
were
able
to
to
host
about
seven
webinars
and
a
picture
in
the
middle.
P
There
we've
got:
that's
that's
all.
Standing
in
in
the
white
rose
Center
as
part
of
our
kind
of
drop-in
sessions,
though,
of
which
we
had
a
variety
somewhere
in
libraries
and
others
were
in
more
sort
of
busier
locations.
Like
shopping
centers,
just
to
try
and
get
that
mix
of
people
for
those
kind
of
events,
we've
got
a
a
young
person
filling
out
a
Young
Person's
survey
there,
or
at
least
being
helped
by
by
a
mum
to
do
that.
P
Our
survey,
engaging,
which
I
think
is,
is
positive,
obviously,
some
room
for
improvement,
but
I
think
a
positive
response,
I
think
as
well,
although
I'm.
Unfortunately,
this
this
presentation
may
come
across
as
a
little
negative
because
it
may
focus
on
some
of
the
the
objections
to
the
plan.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
stress
that
overall,
there
was
really
strong
public
support
for
the
policies
that
we've
got
here.
P
Every
single
policy
had
more
than
80
support
on
the
smart
survey
date
that
we
we
imported
and
some
policies,
such
as
the
conversations
we've
just
had
in
terms
of
flood
risk.
That
figure
was
pushing
up
to
90
public
support,
so
there
isn't
I,
don't
think
there
was
a
single
policy
that
got
lower
than
80
of
public
support.
However,
it
is.
It
is
also
important
to
reflect
that.
P
So
in
terms
of
this
section,
then
I
was
just
going
to
take
you
through
the
policies
just
as
a
bit
of
a
recap
of
what
they
were
intending
to
do
and
then
some
of
the
specific
comments
I'm
not
going
to
touch
on
everything.
Just
because,
obviously,
there's
lots.
There's
lots
in
the
report
already
and
just
want
to
make
sure
you've
got
opportunities
for
comments
and
questions.
So
if
I
flick
through
some
of
these
a
little
bit
too
quickly
for
you,
please
just
bring
me
back
to
them.
P
P
The
the
main
policies
we've
got
en1
whose
aim
is,
is
basically
to
deliver
carbon
neutral
developments.
Essentially
so
it's
a
two-part
policy,
A
and
B
part
a
is,
is
net
zero
development
and
that
all
development
should
be
Net,
Zero
and
Part.
B
is
about
that.
The
applicants
should
produce
a
whole
life
cycle.
Carbon
assessment,
which
assesses
but
doesn't
set
a
target
for
the
amount
of
emissions
that
should
be
that
are
embodied
within
a
development.
P
En2
is
about
requiring
new
development
to
meet
high
quality,
sustainable
construction
standards
and
we've
set
home
quality
mark
IV,
which
is
a
bre
standard
or
a
briam
outstanding
and
Brian
outstanding,
is
for
non-residential
home
quality.
Mark
4
is
for
residential
and
again
they
they
set
kind
of
standards
of
things
which
include
adaptation
as
well
as
mitigation.
P
P
You
know
that
thermal
comfort
and
avoid
things
like
well,
it's
not
going
to
avoid
the
urban
heat
island
effect,
but
at
least
adapt
to
it.
So
that's
another
Avenue
of
further
work
that
we're
we're
doing
at
the
moment
since
renewable
energy
as
well.
The
it's
important
to
touch
on
I
think,
whilst
the
vast
majority
of
negative
comments
were
that
we're
not
going
sorry
that
we're
going
too
far
and
we're
going
too
fast
on
a
lot
of
these
policy.
P
All
of
these
policies,
it's
important
to
reflect
I,
think
where
some
people
have
commented
that
we're
not
going
fast
enough
or
far
enough.
So
one
comment
has
been
received,
I
think
by
the
climate,
commission,
Yorkshire
and
Humber
a
kind
of
division
that
there
is
a
there
is
a
concern
that
we're,
perhaps
not
allowing
for
small-scale
wind
farms
and
small-scale
solar
that
we're
focusing
a
bit
too
much
on
the
large
scale
producing
Maps,
where
it's
appropriate.
But
then
what
about
the
smalls?
Is
that
not
appropriate
outside
of
those
locations?
P
P
I'm
sure
you'll
have
all
seen
excellent
examples
of
having
say
photovolsaic
cells.
On
top
of
the
the
new
parks
and
ride
and
things
like
that,
that's
exactly
what
we
need
to
be
encouraging
and
what
we
need
to
be
supporting,
and
if
our
policies
aren't
quite
doing
that
right
now,
then
I
think
they
do
need
to
a
little
bit
of
a
review.
P
I
won't
touch
too
much
in
the
Natural
England
issue,
other
than
to
say
that
they
obviously
ever
they've
highlighted
an
issue
of
bird
migratory
route.
Evidence
that
they're
particularly
concerned
about
wind
turbines,
as
you
can
imagine,
so
that's
something
that
we
need
to
work
with
them
through
just
to
find
out
where
that
evidence
lies
because
it's
it's
it's
not
it's.
P
Not
a
data
set
that's
available
to
us,
which
is
one
of
the
frustrations,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
do
some
for
the
work
on
that
I'm,
just
moving
on
to
flood
risk
kind
of
headlines
again,
just
to
just
to
clarify
what
this
Suite
of
policies
are
trying
to
do
and
as
I
said
just
in
the
previous
response,
you
know.
There's
there's
not
a
huge
amount
of
change
here.
I
think
we're
working
from
a
position
of
strength,
but
we
just
water.
P
Three
is
just
trying
to
clarify
a
little
bit
of
that
protection
of
functional
floodplain
from
unsustainable
development
waterfall,
as
Jonathan
alluded
to.
Is
that
requirement
to
consider
the
impact
of
climate
change
on
future
risk
so
when,
when
developments
are
putting
through
their
their
full
risk
assessments,
they're
properly
understanding
climate
change
scenarios
and
that's
also
embedded
in
water
six
as
part
of
those
for
just
assessments,
water
6A
again
in
terms
of
that
adaptation,
ensuring
that
the
safe
sort
of
access
and
egress
routes
when
properties
do
flood.
P
Unfortunately,
that
that
will
happen
so
making
sure
that
developments
are
properly
considering
how
people
will
safely
leave
a
site
in
those
instances
that
hopefully
won't
happen.
But
we
have
to
prepare
for
the
worst
similar,
really
water.
Five
is
an
assessment,
what's
called
residual
risk,
which
is
essentially
an
assessment
of
where
defenses
might
fail,
and
obviously
we
we
have
the
utmost
confidence
that
these
defenses
are
robust
and
won't
fail.
But
we
do
have
to
make
sure
that
that
we
consider
what
that
risk
might
be
and
the
developments
consider
what
that
risk
is
as
well.
P
Water
eight,
which
you
know
where,
where
planning
permission
is
required,
will
will
expect
a
minimum
of
50
of
soft
Landscaping
to
be
to
be
retained,
I
think
as
Jonathan
kind
of
suggested.
What
the
biggest
issue
is
that
people
aren't
putting
planning
applications
in.
So
that's
that's
a
real
difficulty
and
perhaps
it's
a
hearts
and
Minds
job,
rather
than
necessarily
the
the
hard
force
of
planning
policies.
Maybe
it's
a
combination
of
the
two
in
terms
of
the
guidance
that
Jonathan's
team
produces
in.
P
There's
a
few
comments
through
the
consultation
about
but
yeah
more
precise
wording
about
clarifying
when
these
are
policies
apply
and
when
they
don't
apply
terminology
like
the
government
are
using
that
probably
change.
It's
just
little
things
like
that.
I
don't
mean
to
dismiss
them,
but
I
think
they're
issues
that
are
resolvable
moving
on
to
green
and
blue
infrastructure
and
there's
a
range
of
policies
in
here.
P
P
P
This
is
just
about
the
quality
of
Green
Space,
trying
to
to
make
sure
that
it
is
delivering
quality,
trying
to
be
more
specific
about
maintenance
requirements
so
that
developments
do
pay
an
appropriate
amount
of
money
for
their
ongoing
maintenance,
but
also
to
increase
the
standards
in
the
city
center
which
currently,
in
terms
of
the
say
square
meter
Ridge
provision.
The
city
center,
has
a
lower
Target
than
the
rest
of
the
district.
P
We're
just
trying
to
even
that
out
so
I'll
move
that
through
g8a
is
regarding
biodiversity
and
protecting
the
sites
and
by
defining
through
g8b
our
our
new
and
updated
leads
habitat
Network,
which
is
a
really
exciting
piece
of
work.
That's
that's,
that's
nearly
complete
and
again.
We
need
to
prevent
significant
adverse
impacts
by
development.
On
on
that,
and
that's
been
strengthened
through
policy
Gab
G9
again,
members
will
be
well
aware
that
the
biodiversity
net
gain
through
the
environment.
P
Act
is
coming
in
on
November
2023,
but
there's
there's
a
benefit
in
having
a
local
policy
that
sets
out
some
of
how
Leeds
expects
that
to
be
dealt
with,
which
is
what
that
policy
does
and
finally,
which
I
hope
is
irrelevance
to
to
Dan's
initial
kind
of
little
presentation
to
us
at
the
beginning.
In
terms
of
the
support
for
for
sustainable
food
growing.
P
Unfortunately,
well
not,
unfortunately,
but
it's
probably
important
to
to
understand
that
things
like
say
Planters
in
the
way
that
he
was
describing
don't
require
planning
permission,
but
we're
trying
to
embed
in
that
policy
a
real
support
for
Community
Food
growing.
So
it
may
be
that
you
know
his
team
and
the
work
that
he
does
is
a
great
response
to
that.
P
P
There
is
concerns
that
from
developers
that
they
have
to
do
a
green
and
blue
infrastructure
assessment,
that's
quite
burdensome
for
them,
and
you
know
they.
They
feel
that's,
perhaps
too
too
big
of
a
burden
and
they're
requesting
further
flexibility
on
that.
So
you
know
we
are
looking
at
that,
whether
that
is
required
or
not
whether
there's
some
benefit
in
that,
depending
on
certain
development
forms.
I.
P
Think
at
this
point
we're
keen
to
retain
it,
as
it
is
really
If
we're
honest,
but
I'm
not
dismissing
that
at
this
stage,
I'll
not
touch
on
that
Laster
point,
because
I,
don't
think
that's
necessarily
as
relevant,
but
I
think
as
well.
Some
concerns
from
the
industry
about
which,
which
trees
will
be
affected
if
something's
dying
or
dangerous,
is
that
going
to?
Is
that
going
to
be
affected
by
by
this
as
well?
P
So
I
think
we
need
to,
as
it
says
in
the
slide,
just
consider
some
realistic
development
kind
of
scenarios
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
really
across
that
again.
Some
concerns
about
the
buffers
that
we're
suggest
as
being
being
two
owners
which
again
we
will
look
at
in
terms
of
the
robustness
of
our
data,
to
make
sure
that
that's
appropriate
again.
There
are.
P
But
obviously
the
methodology
does
help
them
do
that.
So
there
is
significant
concern
about
that
it
will.
The
onus
is
on
us
to
make
sure
we
review
that
that
viability,
evidence
to
make
sure
it
is
appropriate
which
we,
you
know
we
are
doing,
but
again
it's
it's
a
methodology
that
we,
we
think
is
very
robust.
So
we
are,
you
know,
we're
we're
prepared
to
to
defend
that.
P
I.
Don't
think,
there's
much
to
touch
on
this
one,
because
this
repeats,
what's
in
your
papers,
other
than
to
say,
we've
had
that
we
have
got
a
new
leads
habitat
Network,
which
is
maps
that
map
is
being
currently
checked
for
accuracy,
but
we're
we're
we're
hopeful.
That's
going
to
be
a
really
good
way
forward
for
us
all
to
collectively
understand
the
nature
of
Leeds
habitat
Network,
which
is
a
really
really
important
positive
way
forward,
and
your
members
may
be
aware
of
it.
P
There's
a
request
for
new
policy
and
what's
called
Swift
bricks,
which
is
I'm
trying
to
embed
the
bird
Swift
in
into
new
development.
So
it's
that,
which
is
something
that
you
know,
came
out
a
lot
through
the
consultation.
A
lot
of
comments
on
this,
so
we're
we're
reviewing
that
or
to
see
whether
actually
new
policy
is
required
or
whether
that
could
be
dealt
with
through
guidance.
P
The
next
chapter
is
on
Place
making,
which
again
is
not
as
directly
relevant
to
the
climate
emergency
as
say
some
of
the
other
topics,
but
hopefully
you'll
see
that
there
are
some
some
really
important
linkages.
There
I
think
the
first
one
being
about
embedding
the
20-minute
neighborhood
concept
as
part
of
of
part
of
planning
policy,
and
we
set
out
through
that
policy.
What
that
means
for
leads
at
this
stage
through
this
plan,
it's
about
setting
out
what
windfall
development
should
deal
with
with
that.
P
So
it's
not
dealing
with
say
allocations
at
this
stage.
That
will
be
for
a
consideration
through
Lee's
local
plan.
2040,
which
you'll
be
aware,
is
a
much
earlier
stage,
we're
also
again
I
guess
on
the
the
sort
of
food
kind
of
agenda
as
well.
We
are
Keen
to
to
be
as
restrictive
as
we
can
be
in
terms
of
drive-throughs
being
located
out
of
centers
and
that's
something
that
the
policies
currently
en9
are
setting
out.
P
We're
also
updating
policy
P10,
which
is
our
main
design
policy,
to
have
the
highest
possible
design
standards,
as
we
think
we
can
working
really
closely
with
our
environmental
design
team.
And,
finally,
we,
the
policies
are
requiring
health
impact
assessments
for
large-scale
developments,
which
again,
is
you
know,
really
important
part
of
our
sort
of
Health
agenda
and
health
strategies
to
make
sure
the
developers
are.
P
P
The
more
orangey
is
a
good
accessibility
to
services,
and
the
red
is
is
what
we
would
count
as
a
sort
of
full-on
20-minute
walkable
neighborhood.
So
you
can
see,
there's
quite
a
good
distribution
there
and
sort
of
different
kinds
of
areas,
but
also
areas
within
the
main
urban
area,
which
might
be
a
surprise,
a
scoring
really
poorly
as
well.
So
it
isn't
just
a
sort
of
City
and
Countryside
split.
It
is
a
lot
more
nuanced
than
that.
P
So
some
of
the
criticisms-
you
know
again,
what's
the
evidence
base,
so
that's
intimate
neighborhoods
has
that
is
that
robust,
we're
confident
that
it
is
but
we're
going
to
re
just
re-clarify
that
evidence
base
to
make
sure
it
is
as
robust
as
it
needs
to
be
and
again,
Clarity
has
been
sought
on.
How
are
we
using
it,
which
is
a
good
question?
How
are
we
using
it
in
terms
of
decision
making
and
plan
making
and
I
think
that's
something
we
do
need
to
clarify
collectively,
I
think
as
well.
P
There
were
concerns
expressed
about
statements
made
about
smaller
settlements
that
we've
we've
made
and
whether
they
shouldn't
be
getting
growth.
I
think
the
point
was
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
think
really
carefully
about
is.
Is
this
something
that
this
plan
should
be
grappling
with,
or
is
it
really
an
issue
for
these
local
plan
2040,
which
I
think
is
probably
the
latter,
in
which
case
we
may
need
to
just
make
some
small
amendments
to
those
policies
on
that
basis
and
on
drive
throughs?
P
P
P
You
know
we're
we're,
obviously
looking
at
that
closely,
but
we're
setting
a
threshold
of
100
units
for
residential,
so
that
that's
not
a
typical
scheme.
You
know
that's
quite
a
large
scheme,
so
it's
not
for
everything,
so
we
don't
think
that's
inappropriate
and
finally,
just
a
really
quick
risk
through
of
sustainable
infrastructure.
There's
policies
here
on
on
supporting
mass
transit,
supporting
the
development
of
Leeds
station
and
on
digital
connectivity
requiring
sort
of
gigabit
capable
infrastructure
to
be
developed
as
part
of
new
new
developments.
P
The
only
real
comments
we've
got
a
few
comments
on
this,
but
the
one
that
I
think
members
need
to
be
aware
of
is
is
on
digital
connectivity.
It
would
appear
that
Christmas
during
Christmas,
whilst
following
the
end
of
the
consultation
that
the
government
released,
built,
updated
building
regulations
that
largely
kind
of
repeats
what
our
new
policy
would
do.
P
For
us,
we,
you
know
as
I
say:
I,
don't
want
to
labor
the
point,
but
we
do
need
to
really
treat
these
objections
seriously
and
respond
to
the
issues
that
they
raise
really
robustly,
because
when
we
get
to
an
examination
in
public,
you
know
our
our
evidence
and
our
positions
are
going
to
be
interrogated
quite
quite
strongly.
So
we
do.
We
do
need
to
make
sure
we're
as
robust
as
we
can
be.
P
So
if
we
need
to
you
know,
I've
already
spoken
in
a
few
areas
where
we
think
we
may
need
to
revise
policies,
but
we
we
will
look
at
keep
on
looking
at
that
in
Consulting.
Sorry,
in
consultation
with
development
plans
panel,
where
we
will
be
able
to
take
that
we're
hopeful
to
be
able
to,
for
whatever
those
changes
might
be
to
be
able
to
to
have
a
kind
of
limited
consultation.
P
Focusing
on
those
changes
during
the
Autumn
and
subject
to
the
comments
received
aim
to
submit
in
early
2024
I
should
correct
that,
because,
in
the
report,
I
think
it
said
by
the
end
of
the
year,
I've
subsequently
unapologized
for
this
check
to
the
calendar
for
things
like
full
Council.
The
governance
agents
wouldn't
work,
unfortunately,
for
us
to
be
able
to
submit
by
the
end
of
the
year,
so
it
would,
it
would
have
to
be
early
next
year.
P
So
apologies
for
that
confusion.
I
just
wanted
to
also
end.
This
is
my
final
slide,
but
that
to
alert
a
members
to
a
bit
of
discrepancy
that
we
think
is
happening
at
a
national
level
with
a
lot
of
this
agenda,
you'll
be
aware
that
there's
a
small
number
of
authorities
that
are
progressing
kind
of
zero
carbon
aspirations,
we're
aware
of
two
councils,
most
recently
bath
and
Northeast
Somerset
and
Central
Lincolnshire
who've
managed
to
have
their
plans,
found
sound
I,
think
in
bath
and
Northeast
somerset's
case
being
adopted.
P
We've
also,
though,
slightly
worryingly
heard
about
Lancaster,
who
have
been
told
that
they
don't
have
essentially
the
legal
ability
to
set
Net
Zero
policies
because
of
a
2015
written
ministerial
statement,
and
what
this
really
highlights
is
a
kind
of
discrepancy
in
how
the
planning
inspector
are
dealing
with
this
issue,
we're
being
told
kind
of
informally
by
by
the
planning
Spectra
that
they
support
the
net.
You
know
the
net
net
zero
agenda,
provided
the
evidence
can
justify
it.
P
It
would
appear
that
the
experience
of
colleagues
in
Lancaster
is
quite
different,
that
they're
being
told
that
they
can't
pursue
that
agenda,
irrespective
of
the
evidence,
so
I
think
there's
something
further
I
guess
discussions
need
to
happen
at
a
national
level
just
to
clarify,
but
I
think
it's
a
risk
that
we
I
I.
Would
you
know
I,
don't
think
I'd
be
doing
my
job.
If
I
wasn't
highlighting
that
there's
there
is
a
risk
here,
because,
strictly
speaking,
the
written
ministerial
statement
does
suggests
that
we
can't
go
beyond
building
regulations.
P
We
think
that's
been
superseded
by
by
the
climate
change
act,
but
this
is
the
argument
that
I
think
that's
going
to
be
in
front
of
us
and
will
be
made
to
us
by
by
some
interested
parties.
I
will
stop
there,
because
I'm
conscious
I've
probably
been
going
on
for
a
little
bit
too
long.
So
I'm
happy
to
take
any
sort
of
comments
and
questions
on
that.
If
that's
okay.
B
E
Thank
you,
chair
Adam
gets
his
comments
from
me
quite
a
lot
because
I'm
on
development
plans
panel
as
well
as
many
of
us
are
but
I
always
like
to
make
the
same
comments
as
many
times
as
possible
to
make
sure
they
they
heard
as
many
times
as
possible
a
couple
of
things
really.
First,
there
is
a
real
chicken
and
egg
situation
in
some
of
this.
E
But
one
of
the
other
comments
is
down
to
that
wider
Supply
and
whether
obviously
they'll
be
able
to
Source
all
the
equipment,
all
the
materials
and
everything
necessary
to
meet
a
Net
Zero,
both
operation
and
development,
I
I
guess
the
the
difficulty
I
have
is
that
industry
as
soon
as
developers,
especially
the
larger
developers,
have
to
meet
those
requirements.
I'm
sure
that
industry
will
set
up,
probably
very
locally.
If
Leeds
is
one
of
the
first
to
be
there,
and
that
would
be
positive
as
well.
E
Obviously,
if
we
put
these
in
ahead
of
many
others,
then
there'd
be
a
a
real
benefit
to
somebody
setting
up.
You
know
whether
it's
heat
pump,
companies
or
whatever
it
may
be
within
leads
in
order
to
try
and
service
that
industry.
So
I
think
there
is
a
there's.
A
route
for
both
the
industry
won't
be
there
unless
somebody
makes
this
move
and
insists
that
we
have
to.
E
The
one
thing
that's
in
there-
that's
not
in
anything
else,
is
that
it
alludes
to
the
Target
set
by
the
climate
emergency
that
the
Council
made
so
regardless
of
the
other
policies,
I'm
thinking,
I,
guess
of
developments
that
might
be
outside
of
the
norm
and
I-
don't
want
to
mention
the
airport
necessarily,
but
that
would
be
one
that
we've
had.
That
is
completely
outside
the
norm
of
a
planning
application
that
then,
when
you
look
at
the
policies,
many
of
them
aren't
written.
E
For
that
reason,
I
guess
SB
naught,
which
says
you
know
help
us
meet
the
aims
of
reduction
by
X
by
2030
2035
Etc.
That
does
really
give
us
a
good
grounding
with
any
of
those
slight
Oddities
as
planning
applications,
I
guess
where
they
might
not
come
from.
You
know
en
one
and
the
others
may
not
specifically
fit
what's
being
developed,
but
we
always
are
able,
as
planners
then
to
refer
to
the
targets
that
were
set
out
in
the
climate,
emergency
declaration
and
I.
Think
that's
really
important.
E
So
whatever
happens,
I
think
we
should
have
those
there
because
they
say
what
our
aim
is.
The
rest
of
them
are
planning
policies
and
very
specific,
but
without
the
overall
aim
being
there
I
think
that
would
be
a
shame,
and
the
last
one
I
was
just
going
to
mention
is
on
the
tree
replacement
because
I
think
it
it
it
it.
It
really.
E
I
would
not
think
that
it
should
be
a
difficult
one
to
come
up
with
tree
replacement.
That
is
equal
in
the
the
level
of
carbon
sequestered
than
it
is
than
what's
being
removed,
because
we
have
to
look
at
it
to
the
fact
that
our
policy
is
aimed
at
them
removing
as
few
trees
as
possible
from
the
beginning.
So
the
the
start
of
the
policy
is
that
they
shouldn't
remove
any
of
the
trees.
E
It
is
then,
just
the
ones
that
couldn't
be
possible
to
to
not
be
removed,
and
so
you
would
help
that
would
be
reduced
and
therefore
the
number
of
Replacements
would
then
obviously
be
reduced
in
that,
and
if
there
isn't
enough
to
replace
what
that
land
is
doing
with
them,
making
a
negative
carbon
impact.
So
does
that
then
end
up
going
around
again
to
having
to
look
at
the
carbon
impact
of
the
development
and
them
having
to
then
make
up
for
All
The
Replacements
of
trees
that
they've
got
in
some
other
way,
I
think
it.
E
It
leads
you
in
a
real
Circle,
if
you
can't
do
it
in
that,
so
I
think
that's
a
bit
confusing!
Well
I!
Think
it's
it's
positive
that
they
that
we're
in
these
conversations,
I
mean
I'm
just
very
happy
for
us
at
some
point
to
get
these
policies
out
there
to
get
the
government
make
a
decision
on
them
and
to
see
where
we
can
take
them
forward.
E
But
that's
just
a
couple
of
concerns.
I
have
well
actually
I
think
what
we're
doing
is
trying
to
push
the
industry
forward
with
some
of
these
planning
policies
and
I.
Think
some
will
be
very
happy
about
the
speed
of
that.
Some
won't
be
very
happy
about
the
speed
of
that,
but
actually
some
of
it
will
be
needed
to
to
make
this
bead
go,
how
it
probably
needs
to.
P
Only
to
say
that
yeah
I
think
they're
they're,
all
absolutely
right.
You
know,
I
think
the
the
the
the
chicken
and
egg
aspect
of
this
is
is
an
important
one,
and
our
understanding
is
that
in
the
central
Lincolnshire
case
that
the
inspector
made
similar
comments,
that
you
know
the
the
the
the
the
feasibility
is,
you
know
kind
of
build
it
on
there
or
come
kind
of
thing.
It's
it's
gonna,
it's
it's
gonna
have
to
take
a
leap,
isn't
it
I
think
to
be
trying
to
rep?
P
You
know
it's,
it's
not
my
job
to
represent
the
developers
but
I
suppose
what
I'm
hearing
from
them,
I
suppose
is
their
concerns
that
there's
a
real
Patchwork
of
different
standards.
That's
what
they
like
about.
Having
things
like
building
regulations,
it's
a
national
standard
and
they
know
what
they
have
to
do.
P
So
that's
there
that's
their
point
of
view,
but
but
I,
but
I
do
agree
with
you
that
I
think
until
standards
are
set
in
the
main,
with
some
exceptions
the
industry
isn't
going
to
move,
you
know
as
quickly
as
it
would
unless
we
set
those
standards
and
we
do
create
the
market
by
setting
out
those
requirements,
I
think
take
your
points
on
sp0
would
agree.
I
think
that's.
P
That
is
the
value
of
that
policy,
and
perhaps
there
is
some
benefit
in
cutting
out
some
of
the
other
elements
of
it
if
they,
if
they
are
just
repetitions
of
other
bits
but
but
I,
agree
the
actual
overall
Targets
in
terms
of
emissions
you're
right,
it
doesn't
do
that
anywhere
else.
So
that's
important
to
retain
on
true
replacement
as
well.
One
thing
I
didn't
mention
was
that
the
policy
also
allows
for
a
commuted
storm
as
well.
P
So
if,
if
it's
not
possible
to
put
the
replacement
trees
on
the
site,
it
might
be
that
we
would
prefer
say
you
know
if
the
council's
working
on
say,
White,
Rose,
Forest
Solutions
or
some
of
the
things
that
Jonathan's
referring
to
in
terms
of
planting
for
upper
catchment
areas,
and
things
like
that.
We
may
feel
that
there's
actually
some
better
places
for
some
trees
to
be
located,
in
which
case
we
could
take
those
sums
and
provide
them
elsewhere.
P
Q
Q
Okay,
if
that,
if
that
small
development
there
happens
and
it
causes
a
problem
with
flooding
and
surface
water
Etc,
but
then
there's
another
one
in
another
year's
time
that
puts
in
next
door
and
that
it's
how
we
get
that
bigger
picture
about
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
on
the
local
area,
because
in
our
area
in
the
outer
areas,
that's
what
happens
all
the
time
and
it's
not
on
effect
and
then
the
poor
developer.
That's
five
years
down
the
line
has
a
huge
problem
that
they've
got
to
overcome.
Q
The
other
thing
is
about
links
into
what
Peter
was
talking
about:
Peter
Carlin,
about
the
building
of
of
businesses
and
Etc.
That
can
actually
contribute
to
how
we
get
to
those
Net
Zero
targets
that
there
are
other
structures
that
could
be
implemented
instead
of
just
replanting
trees,
because
it
takes
an
awful
long
time
for
a
sapling
to
get
to
a
point
where
it
actually
absorbs
carbon.
Q
But
there
are
companies,
especially
in
in
our
area,
where
they're
looking
at
Moss
walls,
and
they
are-
they
actually
absorb
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
carbon
and
reduce
emissions
in
in
high
traffic
areas.
So
it's
that
thing
about.
Are
we
encouraging
developers
to
look
at
those
options?
Yes,
we
shouldn't
be
cutting
down,
trees
and
I
hope
they
they
do.
They
cut
down
as
few
as
possible
in
any
planning
application,
but
it
isn't
just
about
trying
to
replant
37
trees
for
one
that
they
take
out.
Q
We
have
a
lot
of
people
asking
for
allotments
and
surely
that
would
be
something
we
could
say
right
if
you're
going
to
do
food
and
make
that
easier
to
grow
healthy
food
Etc
which
Dan
was
talking
about,
then,
could
we
not
get
something
in
there?
That
says?
If
you
have
a
large
development,
you
have
to
provide
allotments,
but
they're
they're,
just
some.
Some
pointers
really
and
I'm
really
really
sorry
chair,
but
I
have
to
go
to
another
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
get
that
bit
in.
Thank
you
very.
B
P
I
I
think
we
were.
We
were
conscious.
We're
obviously
well
aware
of
how
popular
allotments
are-
and
you
know,
perhaps
not
quite
as
much
as
members
will
be
given
I'm
sure
you
you
receive
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
your
virtual
postbug
is
probably
it
contains
a
lot
from
allotments,
but
I
think
we
were
also
Keen
to
not
limit
it
to
allotments
I.
Think
some
of
the
issues
that
say
Dan
raises
his
presentation.
P
Sometimes
it
can
be
a
bit
more
flexible
way
of
delivering,
say
food
growing
in
places,
so
we
didn't
want
to
be
too
specific
about
providing
allotments,
because
they're
allotments
are
obviously
quite
formal
and
they're.
Also,
unless
you're
a
member
of
the
allotment,
you
can't
necessarily
enter
that
space,
whereas
more
informal
food
production
areas,
Community
Food
growing
it
everybody
can
be
a
part
of
that.
B
C
I'll
be
brief,
because
no
doubt
this
is
going
to
come
to
development
plans
panel,
so
I'll
I'll
have
my
say
there,
but
just
quick
learn
a
number
of
things.
One
on
the
pins
I
do
think
we
need
to
try
and
speak
to
the
LGA
and
various
other
bodies
and
try
and
get
some
support
on
this,
because
if
it's
a
ministerial
statement
then
maybe
we
need
another
ministerial
statement
clarifying
the
position
in
Parliament.
C
You
know
to
me:
if
that's
the
case,
if
the
government
are
well,
we
have
because
they
were
the
ones
that
put
the
climate
policy
into
law,
which
is
unusual
worldwide.
There's
not
many
places,
so
the
commitment
might
be
there.
That's
out
in
that
one.
As
far
as
encs
concerned
Now
by
coincidence,
I
was
looking
at
YouTube
and
listening
to
debates
on
this.
C
Are
you
aware
that
if
you
have
a
role
of
wind
turbines,
the
efficiency
of
the
turbines
actually
decreases
as
you
go
through,
because
the
first
one
gets
all
the
air
and
then
after
that,
as
you
go
through
the
more
you
have
the
less
efficient
that
wind
turbine
actually
is
it's
still
efficient,
but
it's
actually
so
the
more
you've
got
just
single
or
one
or
two
on
their
own.
It
is
actually
more
efficient
to
produce
more
energy
on
the
20-minute
neighborhood
I.
C
Don't
have
other
members,
but
I've
certainly
been
subject
of
a
lot
of
canvassing
from
people
against
this
against
this
and
I.
Think
we've
got
to
do
some
sort
of
communication
exercise
explaining
what
the
benefits
are
that
you
are
not
going
down
the
Oxford
position
at
least
I
hope
you're,
not
going
down
the
Oxford
position,
which
gives
a
great
impression
that
effectively
you're
not
out
you're
not
allowed
out
of
your
community.
That's
the
way
that
the
Oxford
run
right
there,
wrongly
has
been
interpreted
so
I.
C
So
are
we
have
we
got
wika
and
the
climate
change
group
that
she's
got
totally
on
site
totally
fighting
for
us,
and
rightly
or
wrongly,
governments
seem
to
be
listening
more
to
elected
Mayors
than
they
are
to
councils.
You
know,
I've
elected
me,
I
want
something.
There
seems
to
be
an
open
door
that
they
can
go
and
approach
it.
So
should
we
be
getting
her
to
do
some
of
the
bidding
on
our
behalf
by
convincing
her
that
we've
got
it
right
thanks.
P
Think
yeah
some
really
important
points
there.
Cancer,
Anderson
I
think
yeah.
Your
idea
of
speaking
to
the
LGA
is
a
really
good
idea
and
I'll
I'll
try
and
action
that
and
speak
to
David
Feeney
Chief
planner
who's
probably
got
some
connections
at
that
level
and,
above
so
I
think
I
think
you're.
Absolutely
right.
An
updated
ministerial
statement
would
be
fantastic,
I
I'm,
not
necessarily
that
optimistic,
but
we
will
see
and
I
think
that's
the
right
question
to
ask
so
I
would
completely
agree
with
you.
P
There
I
think
in
terms
of
the
renewable
energy
Point
I
I,
I
I
will
I'm
not
aware
of
the
specific
statistics,
but
I
am
aware
that,
yes,
that
they,
the
efficiency,
does
decrease
I.
Suppose
the
issue
is:
we've
calculated
kind
of
standing
distances
between
the
the
the
the
the
the
sort
of
the
the
the
turbines
themselves,
so
they're
they're
a
decent
distance
apart
in
our
modeling,
whether
that
negates
the
issue
that
you
raise
I'm,
not
100,
sure
to
be
to
be
to
be.
P
It
is
on
land
so
that
yeah
there
hasn't
been
a
huge
amount
of
turbine
building
over
the
last
few
years,
so
hopefully
the
the
they're
working
out
their
modeling
on
that
basis
in
terms
of
the
20-minute
neighborhoods.
Yes,
we've
obviously
as
part
of
our
not
through
this
plan.
Ironically,
but
through
the
leads
local
plan.
2040
received
a
lot
of
angry
comments
about
what
was
turned
15-minute
cities
and
have
had
demonstrations
kind
of
against
us.
Whilst
we've
been
in
consultation.
P
Events,
in
my
opinion,
based
on
a
complete
misunderstanding
of
what
the
20
minutes
neighborhood
is,
and
what
it's
all
about,
trying
to
prevent
people
from
leaving
their
area
is
absolutely
not
what
what
this
is
about.
It's
not
about
stopping
people
using
their
cars.
It's
not
about
counting
the
number
of
Journeys
that
they're
on
or
setting
up
cameras
and
things
like
that
planning
doesn't
have
those
Powers.
P
It
was
kind
of
responding
to
what
a
lot
of
local
people
have
told
us
previously
about.
Are
you
thinking
about
local
infrastructure?
Are
you
thinking
about
whether
the
there's
enough
there
for
people
to
actually
access
and
use
which
is
one
of
the
biggest
frustrations
local
people
have
about
you
know
new
housing
sites?
So
it
really
was
in
response
to
that
for
us,
but
I
agree.
P
You
know
a
lot
of
a
big.
You
know
big
growth
in
the
job
sector
in
terms
of
looking
at
these
kind
of
the
green
sector
and
that
sort
of
supply
chain,
but
I,
don't
think
it'll
do
as
any
harm
just
to
try
and
yeah
get
get
that
line
of
communication
kind
of
reopened
just
to
make
sure
that
there's
there
isn't
anything
else
that
you
know
she
could
Lobby
on
our
behalf.
For
so
that's
something
that
I'll
take
away
as
well.
Thank
you,
councilor
Anderson,.
K
P
Yeah
yeah,
so
it
absolutely
there's
really
strong
linkages,
I
think
with
the
with
the
Marmot
city
kind
of
kind
of
principles.
Obviously,
when
I
think
this
policy
kind
of
Journey
started
for
us,
we
weren't
a
marmot
City
at
that
time,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
there
isn't
a
huge
amount
of
crossovers.
We
work
really
closely
with
colleagues
in
public
health,
who've
helped
us
develop
that
policy
and
also
what
the
guidance
will
be
that
underpins
it
and
also
our
arrangements
with
working
with
them
through
those
assessments.
P
B
B
If
you,
if
you
put
this
forward,
you'll
you'll
get
that
kind
of
development
and
just
to
say
that
I
I
was
this
morning
at
the
sustainability
event,
where
developers
spoke
really
positively
and
and
were
really
excited
about.
The
opportunities
of
of
being
able
to
to
look
at
you
know,
embodied
carbon
and
to
look
at
developing
ways
of
addressing
climate
emergency
in
the
planning
that
they
were
doing
and
I
was
listening
to
to
companies
who
were
who
were
construction
companies,
companies
who
were
involved
in
in
steel
manufacture.
B
B
You
know
there's
some
really
interesting
comments
from
local
colleges
and
employers
about
the
opportunity
to
develop
skills.
So
I
think
we
can
look
at
this
in
in
a
positive
way,
as
you
know,
as
well
as
being
aware
that
that
there
are
genuine
issues
with
shortages,
but
we
can
look,
we
can
spin
it
really
and
look
at
that
in
a
in
an
opportunity
to
to
develop
as
a
city,
I
did
want
to
pick
up
on
the
per
the
permeability
of
of
surfaces.
B
Well,
you
know:
we've
talked
quite
a
bit
today
about
that
and
about
the
the
report
from
off
what
I
don't
know,
whether
there's
anything
that
we
can
do
more
as
a
council
to
encourage
the
the
kind
of
development
we
want
to
see
and
and
to
discourage
people
from
Paving
over
spaces.
You
know
both
both
in
terms
of
large
developments
and
private
houses.
B
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else,
we
can
do
about
that
and
then
just
to
finish
with
a
couple
of
things
really
linked,
I
guess
to
your
comments
on
on
Lancaster
and
also
generally
your
comments
throughout
the
presentation.
We
shouldn't
lose
sight
of
the
fact
that
we
are
in
a
climate
emergency
and
as
such,
it
requires
really
ambitious
thinking
and
and
really
ambitious
policies.
B
I
would
be
very,
very
keen
not
to
see
any
of
this
ambition,
diluted
and
and
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
keep
that
at
the
Forefront
of
of
our
mind
and
then
the
last
was
a
question
probably
for
for
Chad
and
Rachel.
That
you've
mentioned
that
this
has
been
consulted
on
and
then
is
going
to
be
reviewed
again
in
the
Autumn.
P
That's
that's
fine,
counselor,
yeah,
I
I
think
the
points
about
developers
as
well.
Please
don't
let
me
mischaracterize
the
the
industry
as
being
against
this
agenda
I,
because
that
would
be
I'd
be
wrong
in
doing
that,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
the
noises
that
we're
hearing
is
that
they
they
are
really
supportive
of
this.
A
lot
of
you
know
once
you
dig
a
Little
Deeper,
a
lot
of
them
have
their
own
Charters.
That
they've
set
up.
You
know
their
own
sort
of
sustainable
working
they're.
P
All
on
a
bit
of
you
know
we
don't
like
using
the
word
Journey,
do
we,
but
they
are
all
in
a
bit
of
a
journal,
a
lot
of
this
stuff
and
yeah,
your
more
traditional
house
builders
are
going
to
have
to
probably
go
on
a
longer
Journey,
just
because
they've
been
building
houses
a
similar
way
for
quite
a
long
time
have
been.
You
know
very
successful
at
it,
but
they
are
all
you
know.
Even
you
know,
you
know,
complies
companies
like
barretts
who
develop
things
like
the
The
Zed
house
at
Salford.
P
P
I
think
this
is
an
issue
of
detail
really
and
yeah
in
terms
of
the
the
whole
life
cycle,
kind
of
Assessments,
I
think
we're
keen
just
to
we
would
like
a
Target
on
that,
but
I
think
at
this
stage
we
probably
don't
think
we've
got
the
evidence
for
it,
and
so
that's
why
we're
having
a
policy
that
requires
assessments?
We
can
use
those
assessments
to
then
build
up
a
body
of
evidence
and
then
for
a
plan
review.
P
P
That
is
why
we're
really
looking
at
that
yeah
and
agree
local
colleges
do
do
definitely
provide
kind
of
opportunities
for
for
skills
and
obviously,
as
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
in
terms
of
the
western
Yorkshire
Mayors
kind
of
skills,
you
know
Green
jobs,
task,
force,
I'm
sure,
there's
some
really
important
linkages
there
with
places
like
Leeds,
College
of
building,
and
things
like
that.
So
you
know,
whilst
there's
a
huge
challenge.
P
There
there's
also
a
great
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
make
make
their
way
in
learning
about
these
new
technologies
in
terms
of
yeah
permeability
of
services.
Is
there
anything
more
that
we
can
do
I
think
I
think
this
sits
across
a
range
of
probably
different
departments
and
I
guess
regulatory
regimes
I
think
I
think
we
we
recognize
that
we
need.
We
need
a
policy
on
on
this,
and
we've
obviously
got
one
drafted
that
we
think
does
you
know
it
does
take
us
quite
far
down
the
road.
P
We
haven't
had
a
huge
amount
of
objection
to
that
policy
at
all
really,
but
I
think
the
wider
issue
is
I.
Think
it's
something
that
Jonathan
touched
on
is
that
it's
yeah
you've
got
something
like
what
400
000
households
in
Leeds
about
350
000..
It's
it's
very
hard
for
us
to
monitor
what
people
are
doing
with
their
front
Gardens.
You
know
it
is
really
really
difficult
and
you
know
you're
required
to
have
planning
permission
if
you're,
using
essentially
impermeable
materials,
but
unless
you're
basically
got
your
nose
close
to
it.
P
It's
gonna
be
quite
hard
to
work
out
in
some
instances,
whether
that
really
is
permeable
asphalt
or
just
blacktop
tarmac
that
that
can
be
quite
quite
a
challenge,
so
I
think
I
know.
Jonathan's
team
have
worked
quite
hard
in
terms
of
like
guidance
and
encouragement,
rather
than
necessarily
planning
being
the
only
tool.
I
think
it's
part
of
the
equation,
but
I
think
it's
it's
probably
more
and
yeah
I'm
sure
you
know
Chad
it
Chad's
and
the
team's
work
on
sort
of
just
trying
to
get
these
messages
out.
P
Are
you
aware
of
the
implications
of
losing
your
front
garden,
not
just
for
flood
risk,
but
also
things
like
biodiversity
as
well,
so
I
think
it's
quite
a
joined
up
approach.
That's
required
on
that,
but
unfortunately,
at
the
moment,
what
might
do
it's?
It's
not
it's,
not
something
that
we've
got
an
easy
power,
that
we
can
just
press
the
button
on
I'm,
afraid
and
finally,
yeah
completely
hear
you
in
terms
of
not
watering
down
our
Ambitions.
L
L
Then,
potentially
you
could
pick
it
could
be
picked
up
as
part
of
that,
although
we
may
need
to
shuffle
around
the
which
director
comes
when
they've
wanted
to
do
this
and
in
terms
of
working
out
the
timing
or
finally,
we
can
swap
a
different
item
in
the
forward
plan
with
with
this,
and
if
you
you
know,
if
that's
what
committee
wants
and
yourself
wanted
to
do
chair,
but
as
I
said
it
you
know.
Potentially
we
can
pick
this
up
outside
of
the
meeting.
But
absolutely
yes
in
principle,.
B
Super
thank
you
very
much
so
I
know
where
we're
a
few
members
short
at
the
minute,
but
can
I
just
get
a
nod?
Would
people
like
to
to
revisit
this,
even
if
we
just
come
back
to
it
briefly,
once
it's
had
its
its
next
phase?
I
think
it
will
be
really
important
for
us
to
do
so
so,
okay,
so
so
that's
a
yes!
So
we
can.
We
can
look
at
the
logistics
of
it,
as
you
say,
Chad
outside
of
the
meeting,
but
we
would
like
to
do
that
as
a
as
a
committee.
B
So
thank
you
very
much
right,
so
huge,
congratulations
to
everybody,
who's
managed
to
stay
the
course.
This
far,
we
are
due
to
meet
again
on
the
18th
of
September
at
two
o'clock,
so
go
and
have
yourselves
a
a
well-earned
stretch,
probably
I
think
councilman
McCluskey
is
already
doing
that,
so
they
were
all
in
need
of
that.
Thank
you
to
committee
members.
Thank
you
to
officers
for
all
your
work
and
input
and
Helen
for
everything
behind
the
scenes.
Thank
you
very
much.