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From YouTube: Leeds City Council Consultative Meeting of the Climate Emergency Advisory Committee 23rd July 2022
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B
B
I
want
to
point
out
that,
while
this
meeting
has
been
webcast
live
to
enable
public
access,
it's
not
being
held
as
a
public
meeting
in
accordance
with
the
local
government
act
1972
as
such,
it's
a
remote
consultative
meeting
of
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee.
The
consultative
status
of
today's
meeting
means
that
some
of
the
usual
formalities
will
not
take
place.
B
Can
I
remind
members,
please
to
turn
the
microphones
off
to
mute
when
they're,
not
speaking,
and
can
you
also
use
the
hand
raising
function
to
indicate
if
you'd
like
to
speak
as
we
move
through
the
agenda?
So
can
I
start
please
by
asking
members
to
introduce
themselves
in
turn,
and
we
will
start
with
councillor
anderson.
D
Hello,
everybody
counselor
bowed
at
round
hayward.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
now
can
I
ask
officers
to
introduce
themselves.
Please
can
we
start
with
polly.
B
F
B
B
F
B
B
Page
nine
and
page
ten,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
we
agree
that
they're
a
true
representation
of
the
last
meeting?
Please
and
now,
let's
move
on
to
open
forum,
at
which
point
we're
going
to
hear
from
three
different
speakers
I
think,
and
the
first
one
is
going
to
be
clary.
A
Hello,
everybody
r
up,
as
we
say
around
here,
I'm
clary
ramston,
I'm
from
planet
action
citycroft
and
I
just
thought
I'd
share
very
briefly.
What
we've
been
up
to
now
when
you
think
of
seacroft,
certainly
people
outside
of
leeds
think
all
it
is,
is
there's
cowboys
everywhere,
but
actually
it's
one
of
the
greenest
places.
I've
ever
lived,
there's
a
very
green
strip
right
the
way
through
it
and
it's
just
gorgeous
so
kind
of
actually
see
crosstalk
got
together
about
a
year
ago.
A
So
far
we
started
developing
a
forest
garden.
We've
got
an
allotment,
a
community
allotment
up
at
killing
deck.
We've
got
four
seed,
libraries,
basically
they're;
okay,
they
look
a
bit
like
bookcases
painted
up
beautifully
in
four
different
locations,
the
fifth
one's
going
out
next
week,
and
on
that
we've
got
plants.
A
A
We've
actually
got
an
orchard
or
perhaps
killing
back
as
well,
which
the
fruit
on
it.
You
would
not
believe.
There's
no
breeds
with
victoria
plums.
It's
amazing
going
to
harvest
that
have
a
day
making
stuff
again
to
go
onto
the
food
country,
so
we're
tackling
climate
change,
we're
tackling
food
poverty
as
well,
and
we've
worked
quite
close
with
a
lot
of
different
agencies.
A
The
we
rc
crop
team
are
amazing,
they've
actually
been.
I
think
you
were
their
counselor
director
this
morning
for
some
pizzas,
beautiful
pizza
in
there
and
lots
of
different
food
made
with
fresh
fruit
and
veg
grown
locally
and
issues
we
have
really
are
in
terms
of
we've
got
an
ideal
site,
we'd
like
to
use
for
a
community
club,
which
is
where
the
old
gay
footballer
doesn't
know.
A
If
anybody
knows
that
in
zika
and
it's
actually
cited
between
the
kentner
community
centre,
the
ls-14
trust
said
richard's
an
opposite
main
part,
so
it's
an
ideal
site.
It's
been
derelict
for
lots
of
years
now
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
use
that
fight,
because
we'd
have
a
community
allotment
on
it,
an
education
space,
a
space
for
mindfulness
and
mental
health,
we're
actually
working
with
linkedin
leaf
at
the
moment
as
well.
So
we
can
be
used
as
a
green
prescriber,
so
people
can
come
to
us.
A
We've
had
a
couple
of
people
already
one
by
the
art,
therapist
and
another
one
by
a
touchstone,
the
mental
health
system,
something
very
close
to
my
heart
to
try
and
encourage
people
to
come
and
get
in
the
fresh
air
and
even
just
sit
and
drink
tea
and
put
the
tea
back
into
community.
It's
great.
I
love
living
in
food,
but
seven
years
now
made
it
the
best
really
amazing
and
that's
us
really
kind
of
action.
T-Craft
we've
got
a
good
active
facebook
page.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
clare.
I'm
really
really
glad
that
you've
come
to
our
open
forum,
because
you've
absolutely
sold
the
the
the
wonder
of
climate
action
seacroft.
It
is
absolutely
amazing
to
be
part
of
it.
It's
doing
really
brilliant
climate
work
and
community
work,
and
I'm
I
couldn't
be
happier
to
have
you
along
facebook
page
is
brilliant.
I
strongly
advise
you
all
to
join
it
and
you'll
watch
clary,
doing
videos
and,
let's
see
all
kinds
of
things,
so
yeah
you'll
learn
how
to
learn
how
to
do
so.
B
Okay,
super
thank
you
so
much
for
sharing
and
we'll
look
out
for
you
all
signing
up
to
the
facebook
page
this
afternoon.
Thank
you,
clary
welcome.
Thank
you
cheers!
Thank
you
bye,
okay.
So
next,
I
think
we
have
andy
goldring
from
climate
action
leads.
J
Thank
you
good
afternoon
and
thank
you
chair
for
giving
me
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
this
committee
today.
So,
yes,
I'm
andy
goldring
and
I'm
the
city
hub
lead
for
the
climate.
Action
leads
project,
which
is
a
two
and
a
half
million
pound
lottery
funded
project.
J
The
area
in
which
we're
struggling
is
in
setting
up
the
city
center
climate
hub,
and
this
is
a
really
key
plank
in
the
project
and
will
be
the
space
where
we
can
bring
different
groups
and
sectors
to
co-design
and
collaboratively
deliver
the
many
different
initiatives
we
will
need
to
to
address
the
challenges
of
a
climate
emergency.
J
J
There
are
a
number
of
ways
that
we
hope
this
committee
can
help
us
so,
first
of
all,
we're
in
negotiation
with
one
of
shepard
shopping
centers
for
a
space,
and
really
we
need
councillor
support
to
secure
the
full
100
business
rate
relief,
which
obviously
is
kind
of
key
for
the
project
budget.
J
Secondly,
we
would
like
to
support
to
be
able
to
work
with
asset
management
to
explore
whether
there
is
any
lead
city
council
property
that
might
be
available
for
use,
whether
that's
in
the
market
or
space
within
museums
or
other
services,
or
anything
else
that
might
be
available.
So
just
have
a
really
good
look
at
what
the
council
owns.
J
J
And
finally,
we
would
request
that
we
could
make
a
more
in-depth
presentation
of
the
work
of
around
the
city
hub
to
either
this
committee
or
an
appropriate
subcommittee.
So
we
can
show
really
what
what
we're
trying
to
deliver
in
in
more
detail
and
and
really
so
we
can.
We
can
really
work
with
you
to
help
deliver
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
needed
from
a
climate
emergency.
J
So
yes,
that's
my
request
and
I
can
send
you
back
in
writing
if
that's
helpful
thanks.
D
Yeah
andy,
it
was
more
a
comment
thanks
for
that
presentation,
and
I
oh
last
speech-
and
I
think
having
a
venue
is-
is-
is
critical,
just
a
suggestion.
One
that's
been
kicked
around
as
a
venue
that
lead
late
city
council.
Lord
jones
is
the
weight
mill,
which
obviously
was
a
centre
of.
I
mean
it's
an
active
museum.
I
don't
know
what
rooms
and
spaces
there
are,
but
it's
a
it's
a
a
building
which
has
a
lot
of
history.
D
As
the
center
of
you
know,
the
first
industrial
revolution-
and
I
think
its
location
is
ideal
because
it's
close
enough
to
the
city
centre,
the
city
centre
residents
can
access
it,
but
it's
also
where
you
know
the
city
centre
meets
the
suburbs.
So
it's
a
very
popular
place
to
be
passed,
although
actually
stopping
there
and
doing
something
is
not
so
common
because
there's
you
know
unless
you're
visiting
the
museum
there's
nothing
no
other
reason
to
kind
of
go
in
there
yeah
at
the
moment.
D
But
I
I
personally
think
there's
something
poetic
around
the
fact
that
building
which
started
you
know
as
part
of
the
first
industrial
revolution,
now
gets
kind
of
brought
into
use
in
helping
imagine
and
design
and
promote
and
create
the
green
and
green
industrial
revolution
which
we're
all
going
to
be
having
over
the
next
10
20
30
40
years.
If
we
have
a
successful
planet.
B
Thank
you,
councillor,
garth
wright,.
F
Yes,
thank
you.
I
might
be
able
to
help
with
a
number
of
these
things,
certainly
because
I
have
responsibility
for
the
city
center.
F
Regular
meetings
with
city
center
management
and
I've
been
on
the
board
of
the
business
improvement
district,
so
there's
their
possible
building
that
they
use
for
training
in
them
exchange
city
exchange
on
the
top
floor,
and
then
I
regarding
sill,
I'm
in
close
contact
with
the
councillors
whose
awards
include
the
city
centre
and
they
tend
to
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
say
in
how
the
seal
is
spent
when
it
comes
through
the
locality
and
community
committees.
So
it
rather
than
going
into
it
all
here.
F
If
I
could
have
your
email
address,
certainly
to
communicate
directly.
J
B
Thank
you,
councillor,
garth
right,
that's
hugely
helpful.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
questions
or
comments?
Councillor
truswell.
H
Thank
you,
chad,
just
following
on
from
that,
and
obviously
if
we
can
assist
sooner
rather
than
later,
through
the
suggestion
that
councillor
hart
brooks
made
and
the
the
office
of
assistance
that
councillor
garthwaite
has
made
all
the
better.
But
I
just
wonder
as
a
as
a
marker
whether
we
should
be
asking-
and
I
think
he's
referred
to
this
or
whether
we
should
be
asking
andy-
to
really
just
specify
as
he's
done,
but
in
writing
so
that
we
can
maybe
circulate
not
just
asset
management
but
other
council
departments
to
say.
Look.
H
We
regard
finding
premises
of
this
type
as
crucial
in
terms
of
moving
this
project
ahead.
Have
you
any
properties
available,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
help
rather
more
quickly
if
the
suggestions
of
council
of
gathway
and
heartbroke
pan
out,
but
I'm
just
wondering
rather
than
if,
for
whatever
reason
they
don't
pan
out,
we
ought
to
set
the
ball
rolling
in
a
in
a
much
wider
way
and
good
luck.
H
Councillor
gathway
with
your
discussions
with
colleagues
in
consulate
in
riverside,
who
tend
to
accumulate
quite
a
lot
of
silt,
which
they
can
understandably
feel,
is
for
the
benefit
of
their
immediate
residence.
So
you
know,
hopefully
they
will
contribute,
but,
as
I
say,
I
think
it
would
be
healthy
if
we
set
the
ball
rolling
rather
than
assuming
that
the
two
avenues
that
have
been
suggested
are
going
to
prove
productive.
J
B
F
Yes,
that's
gesture,
I'm
just
sharing
my
screen
now
and
you
should
be
able
to
see
it
and
hear
it
shortly.
K
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
submit
this
question
to
the
forum.
My
name
is
brent.
Haig
I've
been
involved
in
the
gas
industry
since
1969,
and
I
was
initially
involved
in
developing
gas
burners
for
use
on
methane
and
subsequently
providing
technical
support
for
the
conversion
programme
which
took
place
in
the
late
60s
early
70s,
where
we
converted
the
gas
grid
from
towns,
gas
to
methane.
K
B
Okay,
so
thank
you,
chad,
for
sharing
that
polly.
Can
I
hand
over
to
you
for
any
comments
and
bow
into
your
expertise
in
this
area.
I
B
That's
probably
the
idea
yeah,
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea.
Anybody
else
any
questions
or
comments
on
that
people
in
agreement
with
that
as
a
way
forward.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
right.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
open
forum
item
and
we're
on
to
working
groups.
So
official
apologies
to
councillor
carl
ilfor
thinking
that
he
was
supposed
to
be
doing
one
as
well,
but
he
his
working
group
had
been
updated
at
the
previous
meeting.
So
it's
just
myself
and
councillor
shazad.
So
do
you
want
to
go
first
councillor
shazad.
G
Yeah
thanks
for
that,
I
appreciate
that
yeah
just
to
update
the
rest
of
the
climate
board
on
our
working
group,
which
is
a
community
and
business
engagement
group.
This
took
place
on
wednesday
29th
of
june,
and
it
was
a
very
interesting
working
group.
We
had
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
grouping
for
the
group
working
group,
which
are
as
follows:
behavior
change
initiative,
citywide
communications,
local
community
projects
and
business
engagement.
G
So
at
this
working
group
we
decided
to
take
care
in
questions.
We
set
up
three
questions
which
would
help
us
to
to
see
how
we
are
actually
going
to
communicate
more
with
the
communities
and
and
the
residents
of
leeds
to
actually
enhance
what
we
are
doing
at
the
city
and
enhance
our
engagement
with
the
communities.
So
we
tackle
the
three
questions
and
I'll
and
I'll
go
back
by
by
question
at
a
time.
G
So
the
three
questions
that
we
decided
to
once
my
notes
come
back
to
me.
The
the
three
question
where
the
very
first
question
was:
how
can
we
reach
people
where
they
are
rather
than
where
we
want
them
to
be
to
engage
with
residents
about
our
climate
action?
So
we
had
lots
of
good
input
by
the
working
group
by
all
the
members
that
attended,
and
the
few
points
that
came
out
of
that
was.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
message
out
to
the
right
people
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time.
G
Sometimes,
our
messaging
is
not
always
clear
and
it's
not
reaching
the
right
people,
because
the
same
message
that,
if
you
think,
is
going
to
fit
all
communities
or
or
fit
in
every
ward.
It's
just
not
going
to
be
possible.
The
different
messages
apply
to
different
communities,
different
worlds
and
at
different
times,
because,
obviously
for
the
basic
example.
If
you
ask
everybody,
that's
living
in
the
outer
areas
to
actually
give
up
their
car
straight
away
and
then
get
on
the
buses.
G
If
you
don't
have
a
bus
service
for
them
to
to
get
onto
and
get
to
the
city
center,
it's
not
going
to
be
feasible.
So
for
those
sort
of
areas
we
need
to
give
them
a
message
where
we
need
to
look
at
hybrid
vehicles,
electric
vehicles
and
how
we
could
improve
the
infrastructure
there
until
we
can
then
tackle
the
the
actual
public
transport
system
and
how
we
how
we
can
make
that
more
efficient,
where
people
could
decide
to
actually
get
off
their
vehicles
and
actually
use
the
public
transport
to
actually
make
their
journeys.
G
G
So
we
were
looking
at
sending
out
a
quarterly
email
where
we
could
actually
engage
the
counselors
and
ask
them
for
what
community
events
are
taking
place
in
their
wards
and
from
there
we
can
actually
get
some
feedback
where,
where
they'd
reckon
the
ward
council
reckoned
that
you
get
a
climate
engagement
team
can
actually
turn
up
to
those
events,
and
they
will
be
very
beneficial
and
would
be
able
to
talk
to
more
people
rather
than
those
people
that
would
normally
fill
in
surveys
or
normally
writing,
because
at
those
community
events
you'd
have
a
wide
range
of
people
from
different
backgrounds,
different
age
groups
and
and
from
different
different
communities.
G
So
that
was
a
another
action
that
we
decided
to
take
on
that
question,
and
another
thing
we
looked
at
is
climate
information.
I
mean
how
easily
is
it
available?
It's
kind
of
a
bit
spread
out.
You
know,
we've
got
different
websites,
so
hopefully
a
charger
who
was
actually
our
our
sport
officer
for
the
group.
G
He
will
be
looking
at
getting
quite
a
few
websites
together
to
get
the
information
out,
because,
obviously
not
all
councils
are
aware,
and
then
it
could
give
us
an
opportunity
to
actually
share
that
information
and
to
see
if
we
have
got
enough
of
that
information
and
the
right
information
to
get
to
people.
So
a
lot
more
people
are
aware,
and
obviously
maybe
our
digital
input
on
the
information
is
not
as
good.
So
maybe
that's
something
we
could
look
at
going
further
and
another
good
suggestion
was
like
we've
got
the
youth
summits
coming
up.
G
So
so
we
can
look
at
maybe
bringing
the
climate
engagement
team
to
the
youth
summit.
So
obviously
the
younger
children
they're
actually
aware
at
a
very
younger
age
of
the
climate,
and
to
be
honest,
when
we
try
to
talk
to
people
of
our
age,
it's
probably
more
difficult,
but
whereas
the
children,
if
they
talk
to
their
parents,
it's
a
lot
easier
for
them
to
convince
them
to
say
mom
dad.
G
We
need
to
walk,
walk
to
school
rather
than
driving
to
school,
or
we
need
to
make
certain
changes
to
our
diet,
especially,
I
think
in
one
of
our
youth
summits.
G
We
have
someone
to
tell
us
exactly
how
much
carbon
it
is
when
you
have
a
piece
of
meat
compared
to
vegetables,
and
then
everything
like
that,
so
obviously
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
starting
point
would
be
one
of
our
youth
summits,
which
obviously
each
community
committee
has
so
so
that
we
can
use
summit
so
we'd
be
getting
quite
quite
a
bit
there.
So
that
was
the
first
question.
G
So
I'd
like
to
thank
all
the
members
who
actually
gave
their
input
for
that
one,
and
the
second
question
was:
how
can
we
talk
about
the
key
issues
in
a
way
that
audiences
will
find
comfortable,
relevant
and
appropriate?
So
for
that
we
thought
you
know
for
a
lot
of
people.
Climate
is
not
the
top
top
thing
on
their
agenda,
but
after
this
week's
heat
wave
and
and
the
actual-
and
I
think
it'll
be
on
a
lot
of
people's
agenda.
G
But
obviously,
once
the
temperatures
cool
down,
maybe
people
might
stop
discussing
it
as
much,
but
we
thought
that
the
best
way
of
looking
at
it
at
the
moment
is
the
cost
of
living,
which
was
a
great
point
made
by
our
chair,
councillor,
katie
dye,
who
said
if
he
could
link
the
information
to
regard
the
climate
and
the
benefits
that
we
can.
G
I
mean
the
prime
example
was
given
about
the
about
the
plumber,
who
you
would
use
the
electrical
van
and
he
was
a
great
advert
for
a
climate
change
because
obviously
he
made
it
out
and
it
was
the
message
coming
for
coming
out
from
a
common
person,
a
common
business
rather
than
from
councillors
and
officers,
and
that
message
with
the
views
on
youtube
and
so
and
so
forth
was
a
lot
more
popular
and
how
obviously,
in
the
rising
cost
of
fuel
and
everything,
how
he's
saving
money
on
on
the
cost
of
fuel,
because
we've
got
an
electric
vehicle.
G
So
that
was
one
of
the
things
how
we
could
do
it.
I
mean
again
our
our
heat
heating
system
that
we're
setting
up
all
also
all
the
other
good
schemes
that
the
council
has
got.
We
really
need
to
shout
out
about.
G
We
need
to
say
how,
how
they're,
having
an
impact
on
people's
life
and
how
how
being
climate
conscience
can
actually
benefit
you
in
the
long
run,
rather
rather
than
thinking
of
it
as
something
that
might
be
burdensome
on
people,
especially
for
those
people
living
in
deprived
areas
where
obvi,
obviously,
they
are
trying
to
they're
struggling
to
to
make
ends
meet
so
obviously,
if
they
do
need
to
make
some
changes
to
their
lifestyle,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
those
changes
benefit
them
that
they're
making
savings
in
the
long
run
and
the
the
other
point
we
made
on
that
was
would
be
how
we
could
kind
of
promote
our
you
know:
net
zero
vision,
not
everybody
everybody's
aware
of
that.
G
You
know.
If
you
talk
to
many
many
residents,
some
of
them,
if
you,
if
you're
there
to
want
smack
zero,
they
won't
understand.
There
may
be
more
clarity
in
our
communications
and
moving
on
to
the
third
question:
how
can
we
engage
a
new
audience
by
securing
partnerships
with
internal
teams,
external
organizations
based
on
the
core
benefits
or
core
issues
that
highlighted
by
the
climate
action?
G
So
on
that
again,
we
were
looking
at
maybe
taking
the
climate,
a
workshop
out
to
community
committees
again
getting
more
local
people
involved,
taking
the
climate
action
to
where
the
local
communities
are
to
different
spaces,
not
necessarily
to
the
same
places
that
we
would
consider
taking
them.
Maybe
to
some
separate
events.
I
know
the
carnival
was
suggested,
but
might
not
be
the
best
event
to
actually
take
it
because
everybody's
more
more
concerned
about
having
fun
and
enjoying
themselves.
But
well.
G
So
that
was
part
of
the
third
question,
and
so
that
was
really
what
we
discussed
and
hopefully
from
that
we
have
got
some
action,
that
we
will
look
into
and
work
on
with
myself
and
chad,
hopefully
are
going
to
we've
already
had
one
meeting
and
we're
going
to
look
at
having
another
meeting
before
the
next
group
to
see
how
we
take
it
forward
and
what's
going
to
be
our
forward
plan
for
the
next
meeting.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much
sounds
like
you've
got
some
really
interesting
action
points.
Out
of
that.
Can
we
have
a
couple
of
questions?
Can
you
keep
them
brief?
Please
counselor,
carlo
first.
E
Thanks
chair,
I
I
was
going
to
make
a
shameless
plug
actually
because
councillors
had
mentioned
they're,
improving
public
transport
and,
as
part
of
my
role
as
deputy
chair
for
transport
at
weicher,
I
was
just
gonna,
make
everyone
here
and
members
of
the
public
watching
aware
of
the
mayor's
big
bus
chat,
which
has
opened
looking
for
ideas
on
how
to
make.
I
think
the
themes
are
safe
and
inclusive,
better
connected
and
decarbonized
and
more
integrated
with
other
services
bus
network
for
the
city.
E
So
I
I'd
welcome
as
many
members
of
the
public
and
elected
members
and
other
and
others
of
this
group
to
comment
to
that.
It's
part
of
the
mayor's
plan
in
order
to
really
improve
boss
networks
that
should
put
forward.
I
mean
one
of
the
first
steps-
is
to
try
and
make
it
more
affordable
by
introducing
the
two
pound
maximum
fare
across
west
yorkshire
and
the
and
the
four
pound
maximum
all
day.
E
So
just
thought
I'd
put
that
plug
in
there
because
it
aligned
with
some
of
the
actions
that
came
out.
The
working
group
chair.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
no
great
idea.
We
should
all
be
plugging
that
one
right,
counselor
trusts
well,.
H
Yes,
chair
thanks
very
much.
I
thought
that
was
a
fantastic
report,
really
articulate
lots
of
detail
great
deal
of
food
for
thought,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
in
terms
of
process:
are
these
working
groups
serviced
by
officers
so
that
perhaps
we
could
have
notes
of
the
meetings
on
the
agenda
rather
than
a
verbal
report,
because
when
you
get
to
my
age
and
the
brain's
going
through
its
usual
natural
process
of
atrifocation,
it's
really
useful
to
have
that
sort
of
reference
point.
I
They're
they're
not
serviced
by
officers
in
the
way
that
something
like
this
committee
will.
So
people
are
doing
it
very
much
as
an
add-on
to
day
jobs.
I
think
there
might
be
things
like
we
have
the
presentations
and
things
that
come
out
of
the
meeting
or
the
key
actions
and
but
rather
than
the
full
notes.
H
G
Yeah
thanks
a
lot
chair,
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
share
the
notes.
I've
got
with
everybody,
so
I
mean
I
could
fold
them
on
and
they
could
be
shared.
So
you
can
look
at
the
action
plans
that
we've
got.
G
I
think
the
wider
pool
we
have
of
people
the
better
it
is,
I
mean
so
I'm
happy
to
share
the
notes.
I've
got
with
everybody
in
the
group.
B
B
Okay,
any
more
questions
on
that
one:
okay,
well
I'll,
move
on
to
mine,
which
I'm
going
to
do
extremely
briefly,
because
I'm
conscious
of
time
but
mine
also
had
presentations
there.
That
would
be
a
good
idea
to
circulate.
We
received
two
substantive
items.
Really
one
of
them
was
an
update
on
the
net
zero
housing
plan,
and
we
discussed
some
of
the
actions
that
are
important
to
think
about
moving
forward,
such
as
the
establishment
of
a
better
homes
hub,
which
I
think
is
a
really
exciting
project.
B
Some
of
the
retrofit
work
that's
going
on
how
we
can
look
at
new
builds
and
low-carbon
council
homes
moving
forwards
and
another
exciting
action.
Moving
forward
was
the
idea
of
creating
a
map
of
retrofit
opportunities
and
things
that
are
going
across
the
city,
which
again
is
something
that
I
think
will
be
really
exciting
to
share,
and
then
the
development
of
an
engagement
plan
and
on
that
one.
B
The
last
thing
we
looked
at
was
skills
gaps
in
terms
of
getting
net
zero
work
done
and
looking
at
how
we
can
create
a
skills
package
to
to
enable
those
skills
to
be
developed
moving
forward.
And
then
the
second
substantive
item
was
we:
we
had
a
presentation
which
was
absolutely
fascinating
on
the
feasibility
of
of
using
solar,
which
was
given
to
us
by
arab
and
again,
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
to
share
those
as
presentations
rather
than
me,
go
into
a
lot
of
detail.
I
B
B
Anybody
else
got
any
comments
right,
okay,
so
I
want
to
move
on
then,
to
item
six,
and
if
you
remember
at
the
last
meeting,
we
agreed
that
we
would
invite
directors
to
come
and
give
us
an
update
on
progress
in
their
directorate
towards
net
zero
and
give
us
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
first
person
who's
come
along
to
us
is
neil
evans.
So
I
want
to
say
very
warm
welcome.
Neil
thank
you
for
joining
us.
B
I
really
appreciate
you
giving
up
your
time,
so
what
we
thought
was,
if
you
want
to
give
us
a
a
very
brief
outline
kind
of
ten
minutes
or
so,
and
then
we'll
have
some
time
for
questions.
L
Right
well
good
afternoon,
everyone
I
I'm
going
to
start
with
sorry
polly
suggested
that
I
talk
about
all
other
bits
of
the
department
other
than
siac,
and
usually
I'm
going
to
ignore
her
and
say
something
about
ciac
first,
because
I
think
it's
actually
important
to
understand
the
place
of
the
team
within
the
department
and
a
lot
of
other
things,
which
I
then
say
will
make
a
bit
more
sense.
L
So
the
sustainable
energy
and
air
quality
team
is
within
the
resources
department
and
rather
than
it
being
like
a
third
fourth
tier
thing,
which
it
generally
is
in
most
councils.
L
It
actually
is
led
by
a
chief
officer
and
polly
is
on
my
management
team,
so
actually
is
integral
to
the
management
of
the
department
and
to
all
the
kind
of
decisions
that
we
make
within
the
department
and
in
just
in
terms
of
the
commitment
to
it
I
mean
generally,
what
you
see
up
and
down
the
country
is
the
country
is
the
council's
spending
more
and
more
on
on
children's
social
care,
we're
no
different
to
that
and
resources
departments
and
other
departments
have
shrunk
and
in
many
parts
of
the
country,
they've
actually
reduced
their
enviro
their
climate
work
over
the
years
in
as
part
of
the
issues
around
balancing
the
budget,
whereas
actually
we
had,
as
a
council
taking
the
decision
to
actually
invest
in
it
and
and
actually
grow
it
through
a
period
of
you
know
great
financial
difficulty
so
whilst
it
may
seem
still
small
authority
staff,
actually
that
is
one
of
the
biggest
teams
in
in
the
country
and
for
anybody
who
might
be
thinking.
L
Well,
that's
a
lot
of
people,
and
actually
maybe
it
is
a
a
luxury
actually
what's
what's
paid
back.
Is
the
council
has
drawn
in
through
that
team
100
million
pounds
worth
of
investment
from
the
government
in
the
last
three
years,
which
is
an
incredible
return
on
that
investment,
and
that
money
is
obviously
going
into
decarbonisation
about
our
buildings?
It's
going
into
things
like
district
heating,
which
is
actually
reducing
people's
fuel
bills.
L
L
This
is
a
team
which
not
only
supports
groups
like
this
and
brings
forward
the
the
climate
change
strategy,
but
is
actually
delivering
projects
on
the
ground
and
that
practical
combination
of
policy
and
and
actual
delivery
is
a
little
unusual,
but
it
has
been
seen
to
great
effect
within
the
council.
L
So
what
I
can't
starting
off
by
saying
is
this?
Isn't
like
we,
I
don't
treat
it
within
departments
are
like
a
nice
to
have
it's
absolutely
integral.
It's
that
it's
at
the
management
team
level
and
it's
and
it's
kind
of
reflected
in
them.
Much
of
what
we
do
so
I'm
going
to
give
a
few
illustrations
about
then
how
things
kind
of
knit
in
so
the
finance
team.
L
For
example,
we
we
have
invested
40
million
pounds
within
the
district
heating
scheme,
which
is
on
course
to
to
move
into
profit
within
this
within
the
next
few
years.
That
would
not
have
been
possible
without
the
finance
team.
L
L
It's
also
an
enormous
investment
to
make
for
any
council
and
therefore
the
degree
of
kind
of
governance
around
it
is
is
really
really
important
and
we've
seen
a
few
other
councils
come
unstuck
with
things
like
energy
companies
and
so
forth,
actually
putting
the
right
finance
controls
around
these.
These
investments
is
really
really
critically
important
and
cannot
have
been
done
without
the
finance
team
going
on
to
then
sort
of
maybe
a
few
other
just
examples
and
of
other
things
which
which
are
which
are
happening
in
different
services.
L
So
hr
are
very
much
involved
in
a
promotion
of
active
travel
and
public
transport
options
in
our
staff
group.
So
we
have
the
access
to
to
work.
Through
the
bike
to
work
scheme
we've
launched
the
salary
sacrifice
promoting
electric
cars
we've,
given
all
we
give
all
transport
discounts
for
on
public
transport
to
our
staff
and
then
over
above
that
there
are
offers
around
carbon
literacy
training
offer
offers
which
are
which
will
be
important
in
terms
of
engaging
staff
into
the
future.
L
There
will
be,
I
think,
a
big
role
for
for
for
hr
in
looking
at
how
do
we
move
all
our
staff
away
from
using
petrol
and
diesel
cars
over
the
next
decade?
Big
industrial
relations
issues
around
those
sorts
of
things.
Practical
ways
forward
have
got
to
be
found
to
enable
that
transition
to
happen
in
a
way
which
doesn't
actually
financially
disadvantaged
staff,
but
still
allows
things
like
social
care
to
function
in
the
most
efficient
way.
Hr
are
kind
of
engaged
in
those
those
issues
that
can
be
critical
to
finding
finding
solutions.
L
The
ids,
the
I.t
service,
clearly
has
been
pretty
fundamental
in
terms
of
enabling
meetings
like
this
to
take
place,
so
we've
seen
obviously
with
the
pandemic,
but
the
work
which
has
gone
behind
the
scenes
with
with
it
to
to
make
that
transition
possible.
L
The
working
from
home
agenda
can
go
from
very
little
to
to
actually
a
normal
way
of
working
and
the
replacement
on
travel
has
been
pretty
enormous
and
we've
seen
that
within
our
use
of
of
transport
in
terms
of
what
we're
paying
out,
but
also
the
emissions
which
come
from
it,
both
in
terms
of
people
traveling
to
work,
but
also
within
work,
but
by
the
use
of
the
technology.
We've
also
been
kind
of
pushing
away
from
things
like
the
use
of
print,
which
again
is,
is
energy
efficient.
L
Some
of
our
our
work
around
moving
all
our
documentation
away
from
servers
which
we
hold
physically,
which
take
an
enormous
amount
of
energy
and
onto
onto
what's
called
the
cloud
where
other
people
host
that
that
that
that
work
for
us
also
have
climate
implications
and
savings
attached
go
on
to
comms
side
of
things.
There
is
a
strategy,
an
improvement
team
and
the
coms
team
exists
in
there.
Chad
came
from
that
kind
of
background.
L
Initially
we
have
the
team
there
who
can
kind
of
get
engaged
with
and
do
get
engaged
with
public
engagement
work
when
we
run
campaigns
and
also
the
strategy
team
has
kind
of
incorporated
the
the
work
around
zero
carbon
as
one
of
our
three
kind
of
core
ambitions
for
the
city.
So
the
strategy
and
policy
work
which
polly
does
is
incorporated
by
that
team
into
that
we're
facing
what
we
do
with
other
partners
in
terms
of
having
that.
L
That
is
one
of
our
three
key
strands
of
our
ambition
as
a
council,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
finish
with
just
saying
some
just
showing
some
very
practical
things
which
are
then
going
on
through
civic
enterprise
leads
about
how
some
of
these
things
kind
of
play
through
in
in
very
practical
ways.
So
again,
polly
working
with
sarah
martin
who's
chief
officer
in
that
in
that
field,
big
review
of
how
we
do
food
for
schools.
So
all
our
suppliers
are
based
in
yorkshire.
L
We've
had
a
big
reduction
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
movement
of
food,
big
emphasis
on
local
produce,
moving
to
we've
moved
to
a
meat-free
day,
so
more
vegetarian
options
and
reduction
in
food
waste
through
through
initiatives
which
are
being
taken
around
the
way
that
we
the
way
that
we
order
there's
been
a
massive
change
in
terms
of
our
fleet
over
the
years,
we're
with
biggest
user
of
electric
vehicles
in
the
country,
so
350,
plus
electric
vehicles,
areas
like
these
building
service
almost
exclusively
use.
L
Electric
bands
now
40
odd
electric
charging
points
within
those
buildings
which
which
which
which
would
support
that
and
fleet
work
hand
in
glove
really
with
polly's
team
on
producing
business
cases,
which
show
that,
even
though
these
things
are
more
expensive
to
buy,
they're
actually
less
expensive
to
the
authority
over
the
whole
life
of
their
use.
And
actually
that's
helped
us
with
our
budget
too,
as
well
as
actually
helping
on
helping
on
the
climate
and
then
then,
into
a
couple
of
little
practical
things.
To
kind
of
show.
L
You
looking
at
things
like
how
we
get
children
around
the
around
the
city
in
terms
of
supporting
children
with
special
needs,
in
particular,
looking
at
how
we
do
route
planning,
which
actually
has
reduced
reduced
the
number
of
journeys
and
therefore
saved
on
saved
on
emissions.
L
These
things
are
kind
of
built
into
the
way
that
we
we
plan
and,
lastly,
investment
in
our
buildings,
which
obviously
polly's
team,
has
kind
of
brought
a
lot
of
money
in
that's,
been
delivered
through
through
cell
through
something
called
corporate
property
management,
which
does
that
about
planning
and
does
a
lot
of
work
through
lbs.
I'm
actually
going
to
be
moving
that
team
in
with
poly
to
make
sure
actually
all
our
future
planned
maintenance
work
is
actually
very
much
got
at
its
heart,
the
climate
agenda.
L
So
hopefully
that's
given
you
a
bit
of
view
of
you,
know
lots
of
things
which
are
going
on
within
the
department
and
and
just
I
fine
to
reiterate
again
that
that,
whereas
I
think
even
now,
unfortunately,
some
councils
do
treat
it
as
a
bit
of
a
nice
to
have
it
clearly
isn't
a
nice
to
have
for
the
for
resources
department,
it's
absolutely
front
and
center
of
the
work
that
we
do
and
you
know
and
we're
tremendous
and
we
should
be
tremendously
proud
of
the
council
actually
for
the
impact
that's
been
made
over
this
last
few
years
by
kind
of
investing
in
in
this
in
this
area,
which
is
so
important
for
the
future,
but
it's
actually
showing
some
real
benefits
to
the
city
right
now:
okay,
I'll
leave
it
there.
F
Hi,
I
still
can't
get
my
camera
to
work.
It
was
just
a
very
quick
question
about
at
the
beginning,
I'm
talking
about
40
million
investment
and
then
a
reference
to
profit.
F
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
explain
a
bit
more
about
how
you
know
how
that
works
of
how
things
turn
to
turn
a
profit.
Basically,.
B
L
Yeah,
so
so
we
we
have
also
had
to
borrow
money
to
to
invest
in
the
district
he
in
the
district
healing
scheme,
and
that
was
based
around
a
business
case
that
our
heat
sales,
which
we
get
back
from
that
district
heating,
would
cover
the
costs
of
that
borrowing.
L
But
because
actually
we
are
getting
an
acceleration
in
the
numbers
of
of
of
organizations,
both
public
and
private,
which
are
joining
that
that
district
heat
network
we
are
moving
up
the
arc
of
actually
covering
those
costs
and
moving
into
profit,
as
in
the
sales
will
exceed
our
borrowing
each
year,
as
kind
of
as
as
narrowed.
L
So
over
this
last
couple
of
years,
you
know
things
like
the
hospital
joining
the
university
joining
things
like
the
dwp
building
joining.
They
are
big
big
users,
so
there's
all
of
those
actually
attract
a
heat,
sale,
price
and
and
and
have
moved
us
more
and
more
close
to
actually
moving
to
profit.
On
on
that.
F
The
so,
for
example,
in
in
our
ward,
all
the
fantastic
grounds
heating
that
residents
are
reportedly
very
happy
with
that
is
owned
by
the
council
and
is
charged
as
and
and
there's
revenue
for
for
the
council.
I
don't
have
that
correct.
L
So
there's
these
two
separate
things
constitutes
so
the
district
heating
scheme
is
the
is
the
investment
we've
made
in.
What's
called
the
pipe
scheme
which
kind
of
connects
the
energy
from
waste
plant
to
buildings,
but
some
of
which
are
council
flats,
but
others
which
are
buildings
in
and
around
the
city
centre.
L
And
there
was
big
investment
in
that
and
that
that
that
that's
been
done
with
that
business
case
in
in
in
mind,
the
ones
you're
talking
about
are
more
standalone
pieces
of
work,
which
would
that
we've
done
within
housing,
where
a
combination
of
government
grant
and
housing
revenue
account
has
been
put
put
put
in
to
actually
upgrade
those
buildings,
decarbonize
them,
but
also,
frankly,
replace
1960
style.
Electric
storage
heaters,
which
needed
replacing
anyway
as
part
of
the
investment
program
which
is
which
is
both
benefit
to
the
climate
and
obviously
to
the
tenants
consumed.
L
So
so
the
the
because,
again
the
different
things
here,
the
so
the
account
the
council
has
the
housing
revenue,
the
housing
revenue
account
is
paying
for
the
work
which
is
done
within
the
flats
and
then
the
the
payments.
L
There
are
payments
through
people's
bills,
partly
which
cover
those
costs,
but
there
are
also
parts
which
are
covered
through
the
the
totality
of
the
housing
revenue
account,
because
actually,
what
was
recognized
is
that
there
was
needed
investment
to
actually
upgrade
those
heating
systems.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
truswell.
H
Yes,
thanks
chair
I'd
like
to
to
thank
neil
for
his
very
coaching,
persuasive
presentation,
demonstrating
why
the
investment
that
we're
making
in
this
work
is
so
crucial
because
he's
right
there
will
be
those
people
who
say
well.
Can
we
afford
to
do
this?
You
know,
given
the
pressures
of
massive
funding,
cuts
the
need
to
meet
our
statutory
responsibilities
to
care
for
older
disabled
people,
vulnerable
children
and
the
current
massive
inflation
pressures
on
organizations
like
the
council.
So
I
think
that
was
a
really
well
made
point
question
I'd
like
to
ask
is
around
procurement.
H
L
Yeah
sure
I
think
in
in
the
really
critical
areas
we
have
actually
a
good
record
in
this
area,
so
we
do
on
on
particularly
the
construction
side
of
things,
which
would
probably
the
biggest
carbon
impacts
have
do
things
through.
Something
called
your
your
build,
and
actually
the
the
percentage
of
recycling
of
waste
in
those
areas
is
absolutely.
L
L
You
know
less
obvious
if
you
like
around
the
carbon,
there's,
probably
still
work
to
do
around
some
elements
of
transport
and
so
forth,
but
but
I
think
it's
something
to
say
the
big,
the
big
areas
there
has
been
concentration
on
that
for
some
time
and
that
you
know
there
is
some
good
evidence
of
what
we
what
we
deliver
in
terms
of
encouraging
sustainability,
not
to
say
that,
so
there
can't
be
improvements
elsewhere.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
was
thinking
about
other
things
and
I
don't
know
what
proportion
of
procurement
that
this
would
amount
to,
but,
for
example,
the
food
that
we
purchase
to
ensure
that
that
is
sourced
as
locally
as
possible
and
is
produced
in
a
as
climate
friendly.
A
way
as
possible.
I
mean:
are
these
sorts
of
things
that
they
were
able
to
factor
in.
I
I
So
that
was
one
of
the
first
sort
of
procurement
areas
where
we've
really
really
kind
of
intensely
focused
and
we're
starting
to
work
through
to
see
what
we
do
and
some
of
it's
not
about
change,
sort
of
buying
the
products
differently,
but
actually
about
buying
changing
what
we
buy
in
the
first
place.
And
then
the
other
thing
that
we
are
starting
to
look
at
is
the
lga
has
done
something
about
scope
through
emissions
and
procurement,
and
we
are
starting
to
look
at
things
like
you
know.
I
I
I
think
after
we've
got
our
own
buildings
and
fleet
done
so
we're
doing
some
of
it
in
parallel,
and
the
report
that
you're
going
to
hear
later
on
will
be
a
bit
about
the
highways
approach
to
scope
through
emissions,
so
it
the
work's
starting,
but
there
is
definitely
more
to
do
on
it.
I
would
say.
D
Thank
you.
It
was
council
trustworth,
still
the
main
point,
which
was
basically
just
congratulating
the
team
on
on
the
work
that
they're
doing.
I
think
it
was
the
numbers
were
said
earlier
in
this
meeting,
where
a
team
of
30
people
thereabouts
have
brought
in
100
million
pounds
worth
of
investment
to
the
city,
and
it
really
just.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
you
know
quite
often
when
we're
talking
around
climate
change,
people
think
of
it
in
terms
of,
and
actually
it's
in
some
of
the
papers
you
see
sometimes
around.
D
You
know,
just
as
we
were,
as
I
say
in
the
industrial
revolution
where
we
spread
our
practices
around
the
world
which
ultimately
got
the
planet
to
where
it
is
today,
unfortunately,
but
we
can
kind
of
also
lead
in
terms
of
ideas,
thoughts,
actions
and
technology
and
industry
to
take
to
take
us
out
of
you,
know,
to
avert
and
minimize
whatever
is
happening,
climate
wise
to
the
planet.
So
I
I
I
wholeheartedly
support
the
the
team
and
the
work,
and
you
know
I
think,
scream
if
you
want
to
go
faster.
E
Sorry,
I
was
just
gonna
comment
on
conrad's
point
if
I
can
really-
because
it's
an
important
one-
that
I
think
we've
discussed
at
the
finance
working
group
and
others,
and
I
think
it
was
in
the
climate
commission's
work
that
showed
if
we
all
of
the
different
investments
that
would
need
to
be
made
in
the
city
to
meet
where
we
need
to
be.
I
think
two-thirds
of
those
either
brought
a
profit
or
were
cost
neutral
that
the
problem
being.
E
I
think
they
didn't
always
bring
a
profit
to
the
person
that
needed
to
invest
in
it.
So
you
know
things
like
retrofitting.
The
the
profit
wouldn't
come
back
to
the
council.
It
goes
obviously
in
the
point
neil
referred
to
in
our
council
housing.
Then.
Actually,
the
benefit
goes
to
our
our
council
house,
tenants
who
have
lower
bills,
but
when
you're
retrofitting
a
private
house,
then
the
benefits
go
to
that
private
householder
in
a
reduced
bill.
So
I
think
that's
the
real
key
around
the
finance
aspect
of
it.
E
How
can
money
be
brought
in
for
things
where
the
return
is
with
individual
householders,
with
individuals
with
small
businesses
etc?
And
it's
a
really
key
conversation:
that's
one
we'll
carry
on
having
in
the
in
the
finance
working
group,
but
one
where
we
made
our
comments
well
known
in
the
consultation
that
went
to
government,
and
hopefully
some
of
those
points
will
enable
them
to
think
of
a
really
good
way
that
this
could
be
done
on
a
national
level,
because
we
have
a
good
track
record
of
making
these
investments
small
or
large.
E
This
you
know
the
electric
private
hire
grants
that
we
gave
out
to
change
taxi
vehicles
to
cleaner
vehicles,
and
that
worked
really
well,
but
getting
that
return
is
something
that
that
we
need
movement
on
how
finance
works
in
this
country
as
a
whole.
In
order
to
do
so,
that's
a
really
really
useful
point.
L
Yeah
well
few
points
on
on
on
that
I
mean,
I
think
one
is
by
having
a
team
we've.
We
have
placed
ourselves
in
a
really
good
position
to
to
take
advantage
of
what
funding
is
out
there,
and
I
think,
unfortunately,
there
are
quite
a
lot
of
councils
that
don't
have
that
capacity
and
therefore
don't
get
it
so
even
taking
cases
the
really
difficult
issue.
Cascada
you've
raised
about
private
housing.
L
You
know
we've
been
able
to
at
least
get
some
money
in
for
areas
like
the
recreations
and
actually
show
what
can
be
done,
show
what
can
be
done
by
actually
seizing
hold
a
grant.
I
think
it,
however,
is
it's
also
been
a
discipline
and,
and
the
disrepeating
one
is-
is
a
good
example
of
it,
where
we
have
always
been
keen
and
and
the
electric
vehicle
fleet.
Similarly
to
show
that
what
we
do
at
scale
does
actually
make
financial
sense.
L
And
again,
I
think,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
by
some
councils,
which
has
been
on
a
pilot
basis,
but
it's
not
gone
anywhere
because
it
actually
hasn't
financially
stacked
up.
So
we
do
put
still
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
having
those
business
cases
which
do
what
you
was
referring
to
the
beginning,
the
stuff
which
can
make
sense.
L
We
we
act
upon
and
then
lastly,
I
think,
because
we've
been
so
active
and
the
work
you
know,
there's
been
tremendous
amount
of
work
with
bays.
I
think
it
has
put
us
more
up
on
the
on
the
on
the
table
at
the
table
to
actually
have
those
national
discussions
as
well,
because
clearly
there
are
going
to
be
areas
where,
without
some
national
shift
on
policy
on
things
like
private
retrofit,
there
won't
be
a
solution,
but
at
least
we're.
I
think,
we're
in
there
and
we're
in
a
position
to
be
a
bit
more
influential.
B
Thank
you
ever
so
much
neil.
I
found
it
absolutely
fascinating
and
it's
clear
that
we're
making
really
good
progress.
I
think
you're
going
to
be
a
hard
act
to
follow
for
the
people
that
are
going
to
invite
to
future
meetings.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
and
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
come
to
a
future
meeting
when
we
kind
of
worked
through
our
cycle
and
and
let's
keep
this
as
a
a
regular
update,
yeah.
B
Much
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
we
are
behind
where
I
want
to
be
so,
let's
make
up
some
time,
shall
we
please
I'd
like
to
introduce
paul
russell
who's
going
to
report
to
us,
as
polly
mentioned
earlier
on
some
of
the
work
that's
been
done
by
highways
and
transportation.
B
M
M
This
report
is
more
of
a
very
light
touch
briefing
note
on
what
house
and
transportation
are
doing
in
response
to
the
climate
emergency,
focusing
mainly,
I
was
asked
to
focus
on
embodied
carbon.
That's
the
cabin
in
what
we
build
and
look
briefly,
the
sort
of
carbon
calculation
tools
that
we
use
and
how
they're
developing
touch
on
procurement
again.
Look
at
low
carbon
materials,
which
is
where
the
embodied
carbon
element
comes
in
and
then
look
at
offsetting,
which
is
also
an
important
part
in
the
whole
carbon
footprint
of
what
we
do.
M
So
hamilton
transportation
is
committed
to
reducing
his
carbon
footprint,
but
it's
a
simple
fact
that
when
you
build
something
you
generate
carbon
and
that's
one
of
the
challenges.
I've
included
an
appendix
of
some
of
the
innovative
work.
That's
been
done
on
the
leads
for
the
alleviation
scheme
which
we
can
touch
on
later,
but
I
think
the
key
areas
where
carbon
emissions
are
generated
are
sort
of
the
materials
we
use.
The
asphalt,
the
concrete,
the
steel
or
the
raw
materials.
M
It
can
lead
to
more
traffic,
more
carbon,
faster
speeds,
but
there's
a
there's
a
counter
argument
that,
if
you're
reducing
congestion,
you
can
reduce
carbon
a
lot
of
time
when
we
build
infrastructure
is,
it
is
to
say
this
new
development.
So
again,
you've
got
the
cabin
impact
of
of
building
the
development
and
its
future
use.
M
Again,
we've
got
to
maintain
the
existing
highway
network,
so
we've
got
to
look
at
the
carbon
impact
of
maintaining
the
network.
So
looking
really,
the
housing
transportation
responds
to
the
climate.
Emergency
and
embodied
carbon
agency
has
set
up
a
climate
emergency
task
group,
which
I
I'm
a
member
of,
which
is
why
I've
been
asked
to
come
along
today
and
it's
looking
at
not
only
embodied
cabin
but
how
it
reacts
to
the
climate
emergency.
M
In
everything
that
we
deliver
over
the
last
two
years
and
transportation
has
had
a
capital
program
of
around
200
million
pounds,
and
this
has
included
some
major
infrastructure
schemes
such
as
the
leeds
football
aviation
scheme,
which
we've
touched
on,
and
things
like.
These
leads
orbital
room,
which
is
a
significant
high
wheel
scheme.
M
M
But
what
I
would
say
about
cabbage
calculation
tools
is
there's
a
lot
of
different
tools
out
there
and
a
lot
of
different
consultation,
different
tools,
and
I
think
it
needs
some
standardization
you
could
draw.
I
think
we've
drawn
an
analogy
to
like
the
betamax
and
vhs
for
anyone
that
old
enough
to
use
video
cassettes,
there's
different
systems-
and
I
think
one
will
one-
will
become
the
the
standard
system.
M
I
think
it
could
be
driven
by
potentially
by
local
government
and
our
funders,
such
as
the
dft
or
the
yorkshire
combine
authority
and,
as
I
touched
already,
that
the
leads
for
the
aviation
scheme
has
done
a
great
deal
of
working
carbon
missions
working
with
the
environment
agency
and
it's
outlined
in
appendix
one
just
touching
on
procurement.
I
know
it's
been
talked
about
already
within
hours
and
transportation,
we're
trying
to
reduce
our
reliance
on
using
other
frameworks
tendering
our
own
in-house
sport
frameworks.
M
We've
got
a
minor
contractor
framework,
an
intermediate
contractor
framework
which
is
just
about
to
be
awarded
and
a
major
works
contract
framework
where
we
can,
within
these
frameworks,
we've
embedded
the
council's
social
value
and
the
themes,
outcomes
and
measures,
a
large
portion
which
are
based
on
climate
emergency,
which
gives
us
frameworks
in
place
where
we
can.
We
can
almost
dictate
what
what
the
requirements
are
in
relation
to
carbon
works
will
be
awarded
on
a
mini
competition
basis.
M
So,
within
the
specification
we
can,
we
can
specify
materials
within
the
scope
works
again
with,
with
the
with
the
social
value,
we're
looking
at
the
wider
things
like
a
local
workforce,
so
each
each
mini
tender
will
have
a
social
value
offer
looking
at
employing
disadvantaged
community
groups.
Things
like
that
in
terms
of
lower
calorie
materials,
which,
I
suppose
is
the
focus
of
the
briefing.
M
M
Innovative
and
come
at
a
cost,
and
I
think
also
the
current
hyper
inflation
we're
going
through
and
then
the
conflict
in
ukraine
is
having
an
impact
on
materials
across
the
board,
which
is
only
adding
extra
pressure
to
to
specifying
lower
carbon
materials.
M
I
think
ancient
t
is,
as
I
said,
is
committed
to
reducing
its
carbon
footprint,
but
a
lot
of
times.
We
work
within
finite
budgets,
from
both
public
and
private
promoters,
and
in
order
to
achieve
a
lower
carb
footprint,
it
may
be
that
less
infrastructure
is
delivered.
Some
may
not
even
be
delivered
at
all.
Trouser
lower
cabinet
material
have
been
conducted
on
a
number
of
schemes.
We
did
a
small
scheme
in
garfield,
where
we
used
a
warm
lay
asphalt,
pavement
material
saved
over
four
tons
of
carbon.
M
I
think
these
new
low
carbon
materials
be
monitored,
but
warmly
asphalt
is
already
becoming
more
readily
available
as
a
standard,
viable
option.
Other
areas
where
embodied
carbon
can
be
reduced.
You
can
flow
a
carbon
concrete
using
recycled
steel
and
a
good
example
on
the
easley's
orbital
route.
We
use
energy
efficient
side
cabins.
Things
like
that
saved
over
500
tons
of
co2.
M
Lower
carbon
materials
may
not
be
the
whole
solution,
but
could
account
for
20
reduction
on
construction
contracts,
but
other
areas,
such
as
low
emissions
side
vehicles,
the
use
of
biodiesels
reducing
the
amount
of
material
going
to
landfill
and
recycling
is
just
as
important.
So
the
the
sort
of
percentages
we're
looking
at
reducing
material
to
landfill,
we'll
look
at
recycling
around
95
of
the
site,
materials
and
again
another
important
factor
to
consider
is,
is
the
offsetting
that
can
be
done
by
landscaping,
mainly
by
planting
trees.
M
Again
looking
at
the
easterlies
orbital,
we've
planted
around
3000
new
trees,
which
are
fairly
substantial
trees
with
a
further
30
000
of
the
small
whips
planted,
which
are
your
future
trees
and
there's
a
statistic
that
the
total
landscaping
area
on
on
the
eastern's
orbital
route
is
equivalent
to
rounded
park
so
in.
In
summary,
the
climate
emergency
is
real.
The
positive
action
is
being
taken
as
a
client
and
employer.
I
think
housing
transportation
can
significantly
influence
the
carbon
footprint.
M
What
we
build,
many
of
the
lower
carbon
alternatives
are
currently
being
used
and
we're
experimenting
with
new
technology.
I
think
over
time,
these
lower
carbon
materials
will
become
the
norm
achieve
at
zero.
M
We're
reducing
the
amount
of
embodied
carbon
is
not
it's
not
the
solution.
It's
only
part
of
the
answer
so
we're
looking
at
incorporating
emission
standards
into
contracts
using
low
emission
electric
vehicles
where
they
meet
the
needs,
maintenance
and
support
work,
reducing
the
use
of
carbon
intensive
equipment
using
any
of
energy
efficient
lighting
on
the
outside.
That's
one
of
the
big
areas
that
the
highways
have
upgraded.
M
I
think
I
think
the
challenge
we've
got
challenges
financially
and
with
the
current
economic
climate.
However,
through
the
new
procurement
routes
that
we're
developing
and
the
strong
social
value
that
that's
embodied
embodied
in
these
contracts,
significant
carbon
savings
will
continue
to
be
made.
M
M
M
So
it's
like
it's
like
offsetting
in
reverse
that
the
the
work
that
we've
done
will
potentially
prevent
future
occurrence
and,
like
that,
and
just
just
to
finish
off,
I
think
they've
looked
at
twenty
percent
reduction
in
materials
on
the
site,
ten
percent
reduction
in
the
energy
that
the
views
and
the
statistics
of
that
have
equated
that
to
trips
around
the
around
the
earth.
M
B
Thank
you
very
much
first
hand
up
was
councillor
anderson.
C
What
it
is
is
about
about
three
four
years
ago,
I
got
a
briefing
off
of
tarmac
to
try
and
make
a
budget
amendment
on
low
carbon
and
low
heated
tarmac,
and
at
that
point
I
was
laughed
at
by
highways.
They
said
they
weren't
interested
and
when
I
brought
forward
the
amendment
the
administration
weren't
interested
in
following
this
at
all
yet
tarmac
have
made.
This
is
basically
the
point
of
the
reason
here.
C
C
You
all
laughed
when
I
brought
it
forward
a
few
years
ago,
but
we
went
into
a
climate
emergency
in
those
days
I
accept,
but
can
we
now
go
down
to
tarmac
and
let
them
see
us
what
they
can
do,
because
you
can
get
more
tar
laid
because
the
heat
isn't
there,
so
you
can
actually
lay
things
quicker,
which
then
reduces
the
carbon
footprint
of
what
we're
doing
is
this
something
we
would
be
willing
to
consider
going
down
to
see
what
they've
got
to
say
now.
C
I've
got
no
shares
in
tarmac,
for
anybody
makes
any
smart
or
silly
comments.
I
was
just
trying
to
come
forward
with
a
way
of
eking
out
the
highways
budget.
Further
a
number
of
years
ago.
M
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
like
I
said
in
my
in
my
brief
really,
I
think
a
lot
of
these
materials
are
innovative
and
new
and
it
is
a
leap
of
faith
going
away
from
something
that's
tried
and
tested.
M
I
I
that
four
years
ago
we
didn't
have
a
climate
emergency
and
I
think
that's
that's
helping
to
to
drive
this
one.
This
one
forward
and
I
think
warm
way,
materials
while
four
years
ago,
were
very
innovative.
They
are
becoming
more
and
more
mainstream
as
a
lower
carbon
option.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
and
can
I
just
just
on
that?
One
paul
where
you
mention
the
trial
and
golfer
is
that
what
you
were
using.
M
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Shall
we
move
on
councillor
hayden.
N
Thank
you
chair,
actually,
on
that
about
a
year
ago
we
laid
we
recycled.
Well,
it
looks
like
tarmac
to
me.
I
don't
know
whether
I
can't
remember
which
companies
were
involved.
It
was
a
a
company
in
the
northeast
have
developed,
recycled
road
surfacing,
it's
got
a
high
content
of
recycled
material
and
it
was
in
the
woodley
ward
near
the
grammar
school.
N
Their
stretch
of
road
was
was
laid
one
sunday
and
myself
and
the
brownlee
brothers
went
down
to
finishing
off
on
the
sunday
and
we
had
a
lot
of
complaints
by
drivers
that
we'd
shut
off
the
road,
but
you
have
to
carry
on
and
do
these
things.
So
we
are
councillor
anderson
using
one
lady
who
was
a
nurse
said
that
she
wouldn't
treat
one
of
my
one
of
our
highways
officers.
N
If
you
went
into
highways
engineers
if
he
went
into
or
it
was
a
contractor,
if
he
wouldn't,
if
he
went
into
hospital
because
he
took
the
road
until
they
they
just
recycled
termites.
So
a
huge
thanks
to
paul
for
today's
presentation,
but
to
all
of
the
highways
engineers
and
officers
and
operatives
who
I
work
really
hard
to
give
us
the
best
that
they
could
possibly
do
in
the
and
are
using
these
innovative
and
actually
so.
N
This
company
is
only
about
four
or
five
years
old
in
terms
of
their
product
development
up
in
county
durham,
so
yeah
we
are.
We
are
using
these
low
carbon
products
and
recycle
products
and
we'll
see
how
it
goes
on
that
stretch
of
road
and
what
the
what
the,
what
it's
like.
N
I
actually
put
my
hand
up
to
just
thank
paul
for
the
presentation
and
I'm
glad
he
mentioned
the
cabin
savings
of
not
having
a
flood
so
of
avoiding
flooding
and
the
cabin
that
costs,
especially
in
clearing
it
up
when
the
work
done
there,
but
also
somewhere,
like
the
elar-
and
I
know
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
criticism
and
the
council
is
for
opening
a
road
but
actually
there's
eight
eight
or
nine
kilometers
of
cycle
track
and
of
a
footpath
as
well.
N
So
it's
and
the
work
that
highways
have
done
in
the
city
center,
with
lip
tip
on
public
transport,
but
also
on
the
cycling
infrastructure
means
that
actually,
the
work
that
they're
doing
will
will
make
it
easier
for
people
to
cycle,
walk
use,
public
transport
and
therefore
lowering
our
carbon
up
output
as
a
city.
So
because
transport
is
about
a
third
of
our
carbon
output.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Jen.
H
He
raises
the
important
question
about
the
way
we
continue
to
be
led
by
the
nose
by
development,
and
I
think
I
made
this
point
before
that
we're
constantly
striving
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
a
wave
of
development.
Now
I
know
that
to
some
extent
well
to
a
great
extent,
we're
mandated
by
government
to
build
more
houses.
H
We
obviously
respond
to
the
needs
of
of
business,
but
I
suppose
my
question
is:
would
it
be
possible,
perhaps
through
an
academic
partner,
to
look
at
the
carbon
cost
of
the
continual
development
within
the
city
and
the
difference
between
what
it
costs
in
carbon
terms
and
how
far
we
can
mitigate
it?
That
doesn't
necessarily
help
us
in
decision
making
in
the
here
and
now,
but
it
would
help
us
to
articulate
and
lobby,
maybe
at
a
national
and
government
level
now
and
in
due
course,
for
changes
to
the
planning
system,
for
example.
H
That
would
help
to
close
that
gap
between,
as
I
say,
this
constant
tsunami
of
development
and
the
fact
that
we
are
constantly
playing
catch
up
to
mitigate
it.
And
my
final
point
is:
I'm
gonna
have
to
leave
in
a
few
minutes,
because
I
have
an
important
briefing
on
a
key
planning
matter
in
my
own
world.
But
I
just
thought
I'd
take
the
opportunity
to
make
that
strategic
point
not
for
debate
or
discussion
now,
but
maybe
to
park
and
and
take
forward
it
some
further
day.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
point.
Anybody
else
got
any
more
questions
or
comments
on
this
night.
B
H
I
I
think-
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
planning
in
case
I
get
this
wrong,
but
I
know
that
in
london,
for
example,
when
they
do,
when
they're
doing
a
development
developers
now
have
to
quantify
the
embedded
carbon
and
although
there's
not
a
target
on
it,
it's
obviously
the
first
step
towards
that,
and
I
don't
want
to
talk
for
our
planning.
But
I'm
I'm
sure.
I
That's
something
that
we're
looking
at
so
I'll
get
clarity
on
that
and
email
that
afterwards,
because
that
would
at
least
start
to
give
us
a
bit
of
a
figure
against
it.
But
let
me
clarify
that
and
we'll
get
that
put
into
the
minute.
So
we've
got
an
accurate
record
rather
than
what
I
think
it
is.
H
I
H
Thanks
chair,
I
suppose,
yeah
I
wasn't
envisaging
paying
big
books
to
an
external
consultancy.
Given
that
we've
got.
You
know
three
major
universities
in
the
city
and
I
just
wonder
whether
we
might
enter
into
partnership
and
they
might
see
that
as
some
sort
of
project
that
would
fulfill
their
and
our
purposes.
But
I
just
leave
that
as
a
thought.
N
I'm
just
thinking
on
that
point.
It's
definitely
something
we
could
ask
the
least
climate
commission
if
they'd
like
to
get
involved
without
they
have
representation
representatives
from
the
from
the
chamber
from
obviously
it's
led
by
the
university
by
a
university
professor
and
myself
as
vice
chair.
So
it
might
be
something
that
either
the
least
climate
commission
or
the
alternate
humber
climate
commission
might
want
to
get
involved
in
and
utilize.
N
The
universities,
as,
as
you
were
saying,
we've
also
just
come
into
the
end
of
local
planet
update
one
and
there
might
be
something
and
that's
on
the
emergency.
So
there
might
be
something
in
there
that
I
can't
quite
remember
at
the
moment
about
embedded
carbon
but,
like
polly,
says
we'll
get
back
to
you
so
and
but
yeah
it's
something
I
can
raise
with
the
climate
commission
of
the
lead
climate
commission
anyway.
B
D
Just
a
quick
one,
although
blue
university
is
my
alma
mater.
I've
also
done
recently
of
last
few
years
doing
some
really
good
work
on
sustainability
and
climate
action
with
leeds
beckett.
So
there's
a
very
good
faculty
there
that
do
a
lot
of
investigative
research
work.
So
I
think
between
the
two
universities
we
have
in
our
great
city,
there's
probably
some
good
choice
to
go
for.
B
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I
think
we
need
to
move
on.
Can
I
thank
you
paul
for
that?
I
think
it's
it's
something
that's
likely
to
be
fast
moving
in
terms
of
developments,
and
I
think,
as
a
committee
would
be
really
interested
to
see
as
things
develop
you
coming
back
and
just
updating
us,
because
you've
made
a
lot
of
points
about
materials
and
vehicles
and
ways
of
working.
So,
if
you'd
be
happy
to
do
that
at
a
future
date,
I
think
we'd
really
appreciate.
M
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
right.
Let's
move
on
to
our
last
agenda
and
we
have
only
30
minutes
left
for
this.
B
We
also
have
a
bit
of
an
issue
in
that
we
didn't
receive
the
papers
until
today,
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
everybody
will
have
had
a
chance
to
read
them,
but
I
do
think
that
john
and
phil
you've
got
a
presentation
is.
Is
that
correct?
So
maybe
we
could
go
through
that.
O
B
That
correct
can
we
can
we
and
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult,
because
I've
had
a
chance
to
read
both
the
presentation
and
the
paper
that
were
circulated
and
they're
very
technical,
with
lots
of
facts
and
figures.
So
I'm
conscious
of
trying
to
achieve
the
impossible,
which
is
keep
it
to
30
minutes,
but
give
us
the
chance
to
understand
all
the
things
you're
about
to
present
to
us.
So
I
don't
know
maybe
15
minutes
and
then
15
minutes
for
questions.
O
With
15
minutes
to
be
frank,
but
we'll
try
our
best
yeah,
just
just
to
apologize
for
the
for
members
only
getting
the
papers
this
morning.
In
hindsight,
we
probably
have
been
so
ambitious,
probably
to
come
to
this
meeting
cycle,
and
that's
one
of
the
first
things
I
actually
want
to
set
the
context
before
filled
with
a
presentation
we're
still
working
on
validating
a
lot
of
the
data.
That's
been
provided,
particularly
with
the
second
piece
of
work
that
phil
will
go
through
around
the
cabin
analysis.
Work:
it's
not
a
completed
project.
O
Yet
it's
still
a
work
in
progress,
but
we
still
thought
it
was
worthwhile
coming
to
the
meeting
and
at
least
sharing
with
you
the
work.
O
So
that's
the
the
first
thing
I
just
want
to
say
in
terms
of
the
context
you
know
just
take
all
this
is
draft
in
terms
of
some
of
the
figures
that
have
been
presented
to
you,
particularly
around
the
cabinet
analysis,
work
and
I'm
just
very
quick
van
over
to
fill.
We.
We
did
this
because
we
wanted.
We
did
these
two
bits
of
work,
because
we
we
wanted
to
understand
better
ourselves
how
we're
currently
performing
as
a
service
and
that's
the
first
part.
O
I
wanted
to
make
really
the
the
the
work
that's
been
done
by
you
know
around
the
data.
The
capture
of
our
carbon
impacts.
Work
is
across
the
whole
of
environmental
services,
waste
management.
So
it's
not
just
about
the
refuge
collection.
It's
thorough.
It
includes
everything
we
do
from
from
refuse
to
household
waste
sites
to
bulky
collections,
the
workers,
street
cleaning,
etc.
So
it's
a
full
environmental
services-wise
order.
O
Analysis
work
that
we
did
and
again
that
was
us
trying
to
understand
how
we
currently
perform
and
how
what
we
currently
capture
across
the
city,
both
bits
of
work
will,
we
will
be
using
to
help
us
develop
our
new
leeds
waste
strategy
and
accompanying
waste
management
plan
and
again,
phil
will
touch
on
the
reports
which
is
on
on
that
not
in
great
detail,
but
talks
around
the
refuge,
part
of
that
which
most
people
probably
interested
in
in
terms
of
where
that
will
lead
us
in
terms
of
the
options
that
are
available
for
collecting
different
types
of
waste
in
the
future.
O
I've
not
made
we've
not
made
much
reference
to
the
national
resource
waste
strategy
that
we
normally
would
do,
because,
probably
not
enough
times
other
than
to
make
clear
that
this
all
sits
within
that
context.
So
there
will
be
legal
requirements
we'll
need
to
make
by
2025,
particularly
around
the
curbside
collection
of
food
and
glass
and
the
implications
of
the
government
introducing
a
drs
deposit
return
scheme,
which
we
understand
will
be
more
about
plastic
now,
rather
than
glass
and
it
and
crucially
critically
how
the
government
will
fund
these
new
burdens.
O
That
are
put
upon
us
or
not,
as
the
question
may
be,
so
I'll
probably
stop
stop
there.
I've
got
a
bit
more
to
say
but
I'll
hand
over
to
phil
to
do
the
presentation.
O
I
think
if
I
was
yourselves
I'd
focus
on
the
presentation
more
than
the
report,
because
the
presentation
is
slightly
higher
level
and
and
is
is
is
presented
in
a
way
that
is
probably
more
interesting,
but
obviously
is
there
anything
around
buses
around
the
report
itself,
like
say
more
than
I
could
pick
them
up
individually
outside
the
meeting
phil
I'll
hand
over
to
you.
P
So,
as
john
says,
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
two
pieces
of
work
that
we
have
had
carried
out
recently,
I'm
just
going
to
pick
out
the
key
points.
There
is
more
detail
in
the
report
and
obviously
you
can
come
come
to
me
if
you've
got
any
questions
of
any
further
detail.
P
So
the
two
pieces
of
work
we
had
carried
out
the
composition,
analysis
and
the
carbon
assessment,
I'm
going
to
deal
with
the
composition.
Analysis
first,
so
leeds
operates
a
predominantly
alternate
weight
collection
service
using
wheel,
bins.
In
addition
to
that,
we
do
have
a
limited
amount
of
the
city
that
is
classed
as
non-awc,
it's
mainly
weekly
residual
black
bean
collections
and
mainly
four
weekly
green.
I
appreciate
there
are
other
regimes
but
they're
the
majority
ones.
They
did
the
analysis.
P
P
This
is
the
results
of
the
residual.
You
can
see
that
the
out
of
the
main
categories,
the
highest
percentage
of
waste
in
the
black
bin,
was
the
putresible.
So
this
includes
food
waste,
amongst
other
things
like
garden.
P
P
When
we
move
on
to
the
dry
mixed,
recycle
composition,
the
dmr
this
had
the
biggest
category
was
a
paper
and
card
of
55
and
then
a
dense
plastics,
which
is
basically
every
plastic.
Apart
from
plastic
film
at
15,
just
move
on
to
kilograms
per
household
per
week.
I've
compared
these
the
previous
composition
analysis
that
we
had
done
in
2015..
P
It's
a
standard
measure
to
translate
into
kilograms
per
household
per
week.
Essentially
you
can
see
there
that
residual
is
around
10
kilograms
and
the
mixed
recycler
is
around
3
kilograms.
P
P
This
just
shows
some
changes
in
tonnages
of
the
key
materials
from
2015
to
2022..
You
can
see
that
immediately
what
stands
out
there
as
an
increase
is
textiles
and
as
a
decrease
is
what
we
class
as
miscellaneous
non-combustible.
This
is
things
like
wood
and
carpet.
P
It's
kind
of
looking
at
just
the
percentage
increase
rather
than
the
tonnage
increase,
doesn't
really
give
you
the
full
picture.
So
textiles
in
the
black
bin
was
low
in
2015,
it's
also
low,
but
slightly
higher
in
2022,
and
it
makes
it
look
like
it's
got
a
large
increase,
so
the
main
composition,
analysis
report,
you
know,
looks
at
things
both
by
tons
and
by
weight
percent
some
changes
in
residual
in
the
composition
of
the
green
bin.
Again,
textiles
is
doing
the
same
thing.
P
It
was
low
in
2015
slightly
higher
in
2022,
but
it
looks
like
it's
got
over
200
increase,
but
actually
in
terms
of
tons.
It's
certainly
a
small
increase.
P
Interestingly,
on
this,
the
main
reductions
are
those
things
that
we
wouldn't
want
in
the
green
bin
anyway,
so
wood
carpet
glass,
waste
electricals.
P
This
is
a
graph
that
I've
put
together
just
to
show
what
recycling
is
left
in
the
black
bin
and
should
be
diverted
to
the
green
bin
or
potentially
it
could
be.
We
use
ni
192,
which
is
a
national
standard
for
recycling
and
I've
converted
the
tons
of
what
we
call
mystery
cycle
that
are
still
in
the
black
bin
and
converted
him
to
what
what
that
would
mean
on
our
recycling
rate.
So,
overall,
if
we
managed
to
divert
100
of
those
target
materials
that
we
wanted
in
the
green
bean,
we
could
get
around.
P
9
we'd
never
get
that,
because
you
would
never
get
all
recycling
out
the
black
bin
some
of
it's
contaminated.
P
We
won't
want
it
in
the
first
place,
a
lot
of
the
card
and
paper
which
is
actually
the
highest
one,
the
green
bar
would
be
you
know
quite
contaminated
and
not
be
able
to
be
recycled
anywhere.
P
Just
moving
on
to
some
conclusions
of
this
I've
kind
of
focused
on
glass
and
food,
because
they're
the
two
things
that
the
national
wear
strategy
requires
us
to
do.
You
can
see
that
in
the
residual
bin
in
the
black
bin,
we
have
at
a
reduction
of
six
percent
from
the
amount
of
glassware
in
2015,
and
it
now
stands
about
just
over
seven
percent.
P
When
you
equate
this
into
tonnages,
there's
around
13
300
tons
of
glass
in
the
residual
bin
in
the
mixed
recycling
bin.
We
are
getting
some
glass,
it
has
reduced
since
2015.,
that's
around
one
and
a
half
thousand
tons.
It
just
gives
us
a
total
available
glass
that
we
potentially
could
target
as
a
curbside
collection
of
around
14
800
tons,
and
that
is
a
similar
tonnage
to
the
glass
we
actually
collect
via
the
bottle
banks.
P
So,
in
terms
of
potential
overall
glass
we
we
could
get
double
the
14
800
in
total,
via
banks
and
a
curbside
collection
food
in
the
residual
bin.
It
has
gone
up
since
2015.
P
we've
got
more
food,
it
stands
for
36.7
and
that
equates
to
around
66
800
tons
of
food
waste.
Again,
you
would
never
get
that
in
a
curbside
collection.
P
It's
you
would
have
a
much
lower
capture
rate
in
the
mixed
recycle
in
the
mixed
recycling
bin.
We
do
get
food,
it's
mainly.
Contamination
boxes
were
still
bits
of
food
in
and
plastic
trays
with
food
in,
and
that
comes
out
about
350
tons
in
a
year.
So
the
total
available
food
we
could
potentially
get
by
a
curbside
collection
is
just
over
six
to
seven
thousand,
just
some
key
points
about
what
we've
discovered
in
the
recycling
bin.
P
P
Contamination
is
down
in
that
bin
from
2015
by
seven
percent,
and
those
contaminants
are
mainly
things
like
plastic
film,
like
we
call
it
other
plastic
film.
It's
the
crisp,
packets
and
sweet
packaging,
and
also
other
ferrous,
metal
or
just
in
general,
is
called
scrap,
metal
and,
and
that's
closely
followed
by
food
waste
in
the
residual
bin.
P
The
predominant
tag
categories
we
could
target
work
with
cardboard
and
carrier
banks
followed
by
clear
pet,
which
is
things
like
oil
bottles,
household
oil,
bottles,
cooking
oil
and
coke
bottles,
and
things
like
that
garden.
Waste
in
the
residual
bin
is
down
45
since
2015.
That
just
really
reflects
the
increase
in
gallon
west
households
on
a
garden
west
collection
missed
recyclables,
there's
been
a
slight
increase
of
mystery.
P
Recyclables
were
what
I
was
detailing
on
the
the
recycling
graph
before
there
has
been
an
increase
since
2015,
but
we
would
expect
that
because
we
have
started
accepting
a
few
further
waste
streams
like
pots,
tubs
and
trays
and
tetrabox
in
the
green
bin,
and
therefore
we
expect
to
see
missed
recyclables
go
up
as
well.
P
So
that's
it
for
the
composition,
analysis
and
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
carbon
assessment.
Now.
Is
there
any
questions
on
the
composition
before
we
move
on
or
shall
I
just
move
on
to
the.
D
Yeah,
just
a
quick
one:
what's
driven
the
worst
reduction,
do
we
think
between
2015
and
2022?
I
should
declare
an
interest
here
that
I've
up
until
recently,
I
worked
for
a
big
retailer
and
I've
always
worked
in
manufacturing.
So
I
know
what
the
input
side
has
done
to
reduce
packaging,
but
I'm
scrunching
as
a
city.
What
we've?
What
we've
done?
D
That's
contributed
to
that
2015-2022
reduction
and
then
the
second
point
I
was
curious
to
see
carrier
bags
on
an
area
to
target,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
on
in
terms
of
the
businesses
and
from
government
duties
to
reduce
the
amount
of
carrier
bags
in.
D
I
do
know
that
some,
certainly
in
my
house,
you
know,
carry
bags
when
they
get
to
the
end
of
their
life,
get
reset
get
reusers
sort
of
bin
bags
in
the
kitchen,
but
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
why
target
cowboys,
because
with
the
price
that
carriebacks
have
charged
and
most
retailers
now
they're
kind
of
a
precious
commodity.
P
I'll
answer
the
second
part:
first,
it's
not
carry
it's
a
category
that
is
called
carrier
bags,
but
it
includes
all
other
sorts
of
what
we
call
recyclable
plastic
film.
It
is
just
generally
known
as
the
carrier
bag
category,
so
it
is
other
other
materials,
more
the
stretchy
stuff,
rather
than
the
stuff
that
you
could
rip.
P
D
Right,
okay,
so
it's
basically
monope.
P
In
terms
of
the
change
in
kilograms
per
household
per
week,
I
mean
the
waste
arisings
for
the
council
have
increased
every
year
since
2015..
But
when
you
convert
that
into
kilogram
per
household
per
week,
you
would
see
we've
had
a
massive
increase
in
household
growth
since
2015.,
so
it
can.
It
is
a
standard
measure
that
they
use.
So,
yes,
residents
are
apparently
throwing
away
less
food,
but
there's
so
many
complicated
factors
that
could
be
influencing
it.
Whether
the
household
growth
is
actual.
P
You
know
like
three-bed
detached
or
is
it
all
flats?
Quite
I
think.
Last
year
the
majority
of
the
household
growth
in
leeds
was
was
flats
and
it
can
impact
what
what
you
see
as
a
kilogram
per
household
per
week,
because
they're
very
different
attitudes
to
waste.
B
It
doesn't
look
like
it,
but
before
you
move
on
phil,
can
I
just
ask
helen
and
polly
for
a
bit
of
advice,
I'm
very
new
to
chair,
and
this
is
only
my
second
meeting
and
we
are
technically
10
minutes
away
from
a
finish.
So
I'm
just
wanting
to
ask:
do
we
generally
always
finish
on
time?
Is
their
flexibility
to
extend
the
meeting
for
a
little
bit.
I
From
my
perspective,
you
can
extend
it.
Obviously
the
the
biggest
barrier
will
be
whether
people
have
got
other
meetings
at
three
and
you
might
end
up
losing
some
of
the
other
members,
but
I
don't
think
there's
any
sort
of
governance
or
technical
reason
why
you
can't-
and
we
have
done
it
in
the
past.
I
B
I
would
agree
chair
okay,
so
are
people
happy
to
stay
on,
for,
let's
say
an
additional
15
minutes
so
that
we
don't
need
to
fly
through
this
in
10
minutes?
Do
you
want
to
raise
your
hand
if
that's
not
acceptable,
because
I
can't
see
many
people's
faces
at
the
minute.
D
My
hand
up
was
to
comment
I
mean.
I
think
this
is
a
huge
topic
and
I
think
even
additional
15
minutes
we're
not
going
to
do
it
justice
that
it
deserves.
So
I
I'd
love
to
talk
about
this
as
much
time
as
we've
got
today,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
that
we
reschedule
this
and
bring
it
back
and
give
it
the
the
scrutiny
and
the
discussion
that
this
topic
really
deserves,
because
it's
one
of
the
most
important
for
these
residents.
I
Polly,
unfortunately,
I
have
got
another
meeting
at
three
o'clock.
I
just
wonder
whether
we
run
through
the
presentation
and
then
we
give
an
opportunity,
maybe
for
follow-up
questions
through
something
like
the
food
and
biodiversity
group,
which
also
incorporates
waste
now
as
an
option
as
well,
and
obviously
members
can
stay
on
it
when
I've
left
so
you've
got
other
offices
to
support.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
would
be
in
inclined
to
do
that
to
look
at
the
presentation
and
then
come
back
to
it
for
questions,
because
I
do
appreciate
council
hartbrook's
point
absolutely
so
why
don't
we
do
that?
Then?
Why
don't
we
go
through
the
presentation
and
then
we
can
revisit
in
in
a
subgroup
of
people
in
agreement
with
that?
P
Yep,
that's
fine.
As
john
said,
we
can
come
back
anyway
when
we
have
got
more
finalized
results.
These
are
just
draft
results,
so
I'll
give
you
an
overview,
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
either
this
or
the
subgroup
as
you
prefer
right.
So
the
carbon
assessment
was
done
by
eunomia.
They
we
decided.
We
wanted
to
start
with
a
draft
baseline,
something
to
compare
improvements
to
year
on
year,
so
they've
done
a
draft.
P
What
it's
a
carbon
footprint
of
waste
management
shows
us
where
the
greatest
climate
gains
can
be
made.
We've
got
some
initial
options,
and
these
are
by
no
means.
You
know
what
we're
going
to
actually
do.
I'm
working
on
all
sorts
of
new
options,
but
these
are
the
ones
we've
got
already
and
then
they've
provided
a
carbon
assessment
model.
They've
built
this
model
for
us
to
be
able
to
assess
new
options
and
do
an
annual
carbon
footprint.
P
Just
one
point
about
you
know
me
and
they've
done.
Carbon
studies
for
local
authorities
across
the
country.
They've
worked
for
defra
and
done
some
carbon
studies
in
in
relation
to
the
national
waste
strategy.
So
and
we've
worked
with
them
before
so
this
is
the
draft
baseline.
We
picked
the
year
1920
for
the
baseline,
because
we
didn't
want
our
starting
point
to
have
the
any
impacts
related
to
covid.
P
It
includes
all
waste
management,
always
managed
by
elite
city
council,
including
the
residual
waste
collected
at
the
curbside
and
the
household
way
sites
and
any
other
residual
waste
that's
taken
into
the
household,
such
as
bulky
waste
and
fly
tipping
all
the
recycling.
We
do
all
the
garden
most
collections.
There
was
a
food
waste
collection
running
in
1920,
just
a
small
trial
area
and
everything
on
a
household
website
bring
banks
and
other
sites
and
other
sites
are
things
like
street
cleansing
and
grounds
cleansing.
P
P
All
that
is
fed
into
a
model
amongst
all
sorts
of
other
inputs
and
ultimately
the
baseline
result
for
the
waste
management
service
at
lake
city
council
is
a
net
carbon
benefit
of
minus
33
323.
P
Now
this
doesn't
mean
that
the
service
that
doesn't
generate
emissions-
it's
rather
that
they're
mainly
displaced
by
negative
emissions
or
savings
elsewhere,
and
this
is
primarily
down
to
the
recycling
we
do.
All
the
recycling
means
that
virgin
material
doesn't
have
to
be
used
in
new
products,
and
that
gives
massive
savings.
P
Certain
materials
are
huge
compared
to
compared
to
others,
and
also
it's
massively
impacted
by
the
energy
generation
at
the
recycling
and
energy
recovery
facility,
as
well
as
the
district
heat
scheme.
That's
connected
to
it.
P
So
there's
much
more
detail
about
how
this
is
broken
down,
but
I
think
for
now
we'll
just
focus
on
the
overall
carbon
serving
of
33
000
tons.
This
just
shows
you
the
baseline
base
service
line,
so
all
services
have
a
net
carbon
benefit.
This
is
broken
down
into
tons
of
carbon
cabin
equivalents
per
ton
of
waste.
It
shows
you
that
the
household
wayside
is
the
better
performing
one
at
minus
9.3
co2
equivalents
per
ton
of
waste
managed,
and
this
is
would
be
expected.
P
The
primary
purpose
of
a
household
where
site
is
to
recycle
waste,
whereas
curbsides
have
residual
and
they
bring
banks
and
other
size,
ground
cleansing
and
such
like
street
horizons
are
all
included
in
that.
Just
one
point
about
the
household
wear
sites:
it's
something
we
are
trying
to
assess
going
forward.
It
doesn't
include
the
impact
of
of
residents
driving
to
deliver
waste.
P
It's
something
that
we
are
looking
into.
Obviously,
every
other
calculation
includes
all
transport
related
to
you
know
the
refuge
trucks
and
such
like.
We
did
do
some
options.
I
won't
dwell
on
these
because
they're
nowhere
near
final
and
we
will
be
doing
many
more
options,
hopefully
going
forward.
P
But
fundamentally
we
were
looking
at
different
combinations
of
food
and
glass
and
we
also
looked
at
a
fortnightly
twin
stream.
That
is
where
you
get
an
extra
bin
and
you
have
glass,
metals
and
plastic
in
one
bin
one
week
and
then
paper
and
card
in
the
other
bin
in
the
alternate
week.
This
improves
your
recycling
and
therefore
carbon,
just
due
to
the
increasing
quality
of
the
paper
and
card.
P
So
I'll.
Just
move
on
from
those
options
not
go
into
too
much
detail.
We
did
look
at
as
as
well
as
a
food
collection,
sauce
segregated.
P
We
looked
at
mixing
it
with
the
garden
west
and
seeing,
if
that
had
a
carbon
benefit,
and
overall
you
can
see
that
the
the
main
carbon
benefits,
which
are
these
option,
one
option
two
and
option
five
related
to
source
segregated
food
and
glass
in
some
kind
of
formation
and
they
mix
in
the
garden
with
the
co-mingled.
It
is
something
that
is
not
done
massively
across
the
country.
There's
not
much
data
out
there
and
when
you
know
me
and
modeled
it,
they
used
a
much
a
far
lower
yield
of
food.
P
Hence
the
results.
We
are
looking
into
potentially
further
iterations
of
that
model
to
see.
If,
potentially
you
know,
we
would
actually
attract
a
higher
yield
of
food
and
then
the
results
would
be
very
different.
P
So,
just
in
conclusion,
the
draft
baseline
is
minus
33,
000
tons
just
over
the
main
contributes
to
that
is
energy
generation
at
the
roof,
including
district
heat
and
the
recycling
of
materials.
P
The
scenarios
were
modeled
at
the
moment,
indicate
there's
a
potential
to
save
an
additional
on
top
of
the
33
000
between
2
300
and
3
700
tons
of
co2
per
year.
The
results
suggest
that
the
priority
options
are
separate
food
waste
collections
and
increased
capture
of
glass.
So,
let's
not
forget
we
capture
a
lot
of
glass
via
the
bottle
banks
at
the
minute.
P
The
model
allows
the
the
model
that
they've
provided
me
allows
me
to
really
model
other
service
options,
different
service
provisions
and
collection
regimes.
There
are
all
sorts
of
combinations
that
you
can
have
and
and
now
we've
got
the
carbon
measure
to
take
into
account,
as
well
as
the
measures
we
normally
take
into
account.
You
know
the
recycling,
the
finance,
the
operational
acceptability
residents,
acceptability,
it's
just
another
real.
P
You
know
important
factor
that
we
can
use
to
consider
what
we
do.
So
we
can
model
all
these
different
regimes
we
can
put
in
electric
vehicles,
see
what
that
does.
We
can
improve
sorting
of
materials
that
things
like
the
roof
and
other
materials
recycling
facilities
that
we
use.
We
can
import
waste
prevention
interventions,
food
waste
campaigns
such
such
like
see
what
that
impacts,
the
carbon
result
and
also
carbon
capture
technologies.
P
P
So,
as
well
as
the
annual
footprint
that
I'm
hoping
to
do
each
year,
we
can
try
all
sorts
of
different
combinations
of
options
so
overall.
In
summary,
there
is
a
number
of
measures
that
we
can
take
not
only
just
to
reduce
the
carbon
in
the
waste
management
service,
but
it'll
also
help
us
meet
the
future
policy
requirements
for
curbside
collections.
B
So
can
I
just
say
that
I
just
I
think
this
is
a
hugely
important
piece
of
work
it.
It
really
is,
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
as
a
committee
need
to
be
really
digging
into
and
and
as
council
heartbroke
said,
spending
some
significant
time
on
the
suggestion
of
bringing
it
back
to
a
subgroup.
B
I
think,
is
a
good
one
and
maybe
making
sure
that
we
put
an
invitation
out
and
just
letting
everybody
know
that
that's
going
to
be
a
substantive
item
in
the
subgroup
and
then
you
know
people
can
do
their
best
to
attend.
But
let's
just
go
with
a
couple
of
really
really
quick
points.
We'll
have
council
heartbroke.
First.
D
Yeah,
just
a
quick,
quick
question:
I'm
well,
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
separate
food
waste
collection
has
shown
its
merits
because
it's
one
that
I've
been
so
banging
on
about
since
well
since
before
becoming
a
counselor.
Actually,
so
that's
good
to
see
question
in
terms
of
the
environmental
impact
of
collecting
food.
Does
that
assume
a
certain
destination
food
you
know
is?
It
has
actually
been
composting
or
biogas
generation
or
any
particular
outcome
for
the
food.
P
Yes,
that
for
the
source,
segregated
food
collections,
it's
it's
a
anaerobic
digestion
and
all
the
benefits
of
that
and
for
the
mixed
garden
and
food
is
currently
modelled
at
ivc,
which
is
an
in-vessel
composting
system.
P
That's
one
of
the
assumptions
that
we
need
to
change
to
see
if
it
changes
the
outcome,
because
actually
a
more
modern
technique
is
called
a
dry
ad,
a
dry,
anaerobic
digestion
system
and
that,
unfortunately,
is
a
new
technique
and
there's
not
much
data
out
there.
So
it's
something
we
have
to
have
a
bit
of
an
investigation
on.
D
Yeah,
that's
really
really
good
to
see,
because
I
know
obviously
the
as
is
that
736
tons
of
food
waste
is
very
personal
to
me
because
it
was
collected
in
my
ward
and
then
scaled
up
across
leeds
something
I'm
kind
of
banging
on
about,
and
I
did
some
quick
maths
when
the
report
came
out
about
two
hours
ago.
Whatever
it
was
that
if
we
collected
the
gas
that
could
be
generated
from
the
leeds
food
waste
based
on
the
numbers
you
put
in
that
report,
I
think
it
he.
D
It
would
provide
the
energy
for
about
five
thousand
homes
across
leeds
yeah.
It's
something
that
really
you
know
it
would
make
a
huge
impact
for
our
city,
so
yeah.
It's
very
important
thanks
for
starting
my
conversation,
but
you
can
probably
tell
why
I'd
like
to
kind
of
continue
that
with
a
degree
of
urgency
and
thoroughness.
P
Yeah,
it's
it's
really
important
to
us
and
it's
the
government,
and
that
is
the
direction
of
their
strategy
and
hours
to
deal
with
food
weights.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
carlill.
E
Thanks
chet,
it
mine's
a
point
of
process
actually
and
just
wondering
what
the
best
way
forward,
because
obviously
we're
looking
at
this
now,
but
I
know
that
as
part
of
both
councillor
anderson's
and
councillor
scopes,
scrutiny
boards
we'll
be
looking
at
waste
and
the
strategy
and
and
all
these
bits.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
is
taken
away
to
a
working
group.
E
Your
thoughts
barry,
I
guess,
are
useful
in
in
in
how
that
would
help,
but
it
it
may
be
that
we're
most
suited
to
putting
in
a
submission
from
seac
to
one
of
those
scrutiny
boards
in
order
to
take
it
forward
so
that
it's
looked
at
just
making
sure
it's
all
joined
up.
I
guess
it
adds
power
to
whatever
we
may
recommend
here,
but
also,
then,
is
information
that
the
scrutiny
boards
will
find
very
useful
in
in
looking
at
what
the
future
waste
strategy
might
be.
C
C
So
in
other
words,
we've
got
us
effectively
controlling
it
through
the
scrutiny
process,
but
inviting
all
the
seac
members
to
come
along.
That's
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
It
would
be
the
way
that
we
don't
then
have
meetings
for
the
sake
of
it.
It
also
means
that
john,
as
in
john
wilmer,
doesn't
have
to
attend
about
three
doing
exactly
the
same
thing
which
excited
as
he
is
probably
by
the
subject.
He
probably
would
be
happy
to.
C
Maybe
do
it
once
and
the
same
goes
for
phillip,
but
that'd
be
my
suggestion
is
that
when
we
come
to
do
the
inquiry
and
I'm
waiting
at
the
moment
and
john
giving
me
the
okay
to
do
it,
because
I
was
waiting
on
this
information,
but
I've
heard
what
he
said
today.
So
I
would
anticipate
in
september
when
people
come
back
from
our
holidays
actually
having
the
session,
and
I
would
suggest
it's
a
joint
one
and
we
invite
seac
to
come
along
to
that
as
well.
F
O
Justin
muting
yeah.
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
carl
sanderson
yeah.
The
point
I
was
going
to
make
things
relevant
just
a
brief
discussion,
then,
is
that
the
main
thing
we're
coming
to
yourselves
today
about
and
to
consult
that
and
seek
your
view
on
really
is
to
present
to
you.
O
Our
initial
findings
like,
if
you
haven't,
stressed
the
initial
and
still
draft
around
the
sort
of
the
impact
and
the
scale
of
impacts
that
changing
things
might
bring
about
or
not
bring
about
in
terms
of
the
scale
and
what
we're
really
seeking
is
a
view
for
you
from
you
is
how
our
our
intended
focus
on
developing
strategy
and
future
services.
O
We're
making
so
that's
primarily,
I
think
why
we're
coming
to
this
meeting
is
to
to
run
that
by
you.
If
you
like,
to
consult
with
you
as
a
advisory
committee
around,
does
that.
How
do
you
feel
about
that?
I
think
I
know
what
you're
understood,
but
that's
really
why
we're
coming
here
and
I
think,
if
we
were
to
come
again,
another
time
to
expand
a
bit
further
when
people
had
time
to
digest
what
we've
said.
O
That's
again,
what
I
think
the
purpose
would
be
to
come
to
you
would
be
this
is
the
models
we're
just
that
we're
just
informing
if
you
like
the
direction
we're
going
in
the
kind
of
moments.
Looking
on
the
rationale
and
how
we
will
judge
success,
I
think
the
detail
then,
on
those
actual
models
and
what
they
are
and
the
specifics
of
those
and
would
probably
more
sit
with
the
other
scrutiny
bought
the
scrutiny
boards.
O
I
think
that'll
be
my
view
clearly,
there's
a
crossover,
but
I
think
there
is
a
different
type
of
discussion
each
one
and
I'm
obviously
happy
to
do
whatever
one
of
these
felt
best
the
most
beneficial
to
each
each
meeting.
Each
committee
and
board
and
I'm
happy
to
come
to
all
three
if
that's
necessary,.
B
E
Thanks
chad
I'll
be
very
brief,
yeah
because
I
had
the
benefit
of
the
previous
scrutiny
meeting
where,
where
john
and
colleagues
came
and
explained,
all
the
impacts
of
different
measures,
the
impact
of
what,
if
you
put
glass
in
the
green
bin
and
took
it
in
that
way,
and
the
fact
that
that
might
not
be
necessarily
positive
and
I've
got
concerns
around
things
like
glass.
E
So
I
think
that's
a
really
sensible
move
to
take
to
look
at
the
carbon
impact,
and
I
imagine
it'll
have
some
unexpected
results
in
different
areas
where
the
carbon
impact
of
it
is
actually
much
more
beneficial
if
a
certain
thing
goes,
but
I
think
it's
probably
what
we'd
want
to
see
and-
and
I
think,
certainly
the
views
that
I
heard
in
scrutiny
that
that
supported
that
move.
So
I
think
I
I'd
certainly
agree
with
yourself.
Cheering
with
and
with
john
on
that,
as
a
really
good
way
to
go
forward.
B
Okay,
so
we're
in
agreement
that
we
support
that
as
a
way
forward
john,
but
I
think
we
just
had
two
brief
suggestions
of.
Do.
We
want
to
bring
this
back
to
a
sub
group
or
do
we
want
to
leave
it
with
scrutiny
for
now,
and
maybe
you
could
come
back
to
us
with
a
few
more
developed
plans,
so
anybody
got
any
really
really
quick
comments
on
what
a
preferred
way
forward
would
be
council,
heartbroke.
D
I
think
it's
going
to
take
an
awful
lot
of
very
detailed
discussion
to
go
through
this.
I
I
think
it's
I
would
say
it's
unfair,
to
put
it
all
on
to
the
officers
to
go
through
it,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
parties
that
will
have
they'll
have
a
view
on
this.
So
I
think
a
series
of
meetings
is
probably
needed
and
why
not?
Why
not
take
it
to
a
sub
group
and
then
take
it
to
just
scrutiny?
D
You
know
subsequently
to
that,
because
I
think
it's
yeah
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
thrashing
out,
because
it's
going
to
take
an
awful
lot
of
investment
to
do
what's
right
for
the
city
and
it's
really
important
that
we
get
it
right
before
you
know,
spades
gets
getting
stuck
in
the
ground,
but
it's
also
important
that
we
move
at
pace
so
that
as
and
when
the
government
makes
money
available
to
fund
some
of
this
we're
ready
with
shovel
ready
project.
So
we
can
be
ahead
of
other
cities.
B
Okay,
so
come.
Can
we
agree
that
then
john,
if
you're
happy,
if
you're
happy
to
come
and
talk
to
a
subgroup
of
our
committee
as
well
as
bringing
it
to
scrutiny
super
right?
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody.
Anybody
else
got
any
quick
comments
on
anything.
I'm
really
sorry.
We
overran
in
that
case,
let's
meet
again
on
monday,
the
19th
of
september
at
1pm.