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A
A
B
Could
I
gratefully
nominate
councillor
tim
swift,
leader
of
calderdale,
please.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
tim
swift.
Do
I
have
a
second
thank
you,
council
blake.
Are
there
any
more
nominations.
A
Right
in
that
case,
our
members
in
favor
of
councillor
tim,
swift,
I'll
assume
silence
is
supportive.
I
can
see
lots
of
hands
going
up
so
councillor,
swift,
congratulations,
you're
elected
as
the
chair.
C
Thank
you
thank
thank
you,
john.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
colleagues.
I
think,
although
I
I
I
suspect
we
won't
have
very
many
meetings
or
much
much
much
to
do
this
year
looking
at
the
the
agenda,
but
it
obviously
is
important.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
and
you
find
my
nomination
so
item
two
is
appealed
against
refusals
of
inspection
of
documents.
John.
A
Chair
there
were
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
3.
I
am
unaware
of
any
late
items
of
business
under
item
4.
We
have
no
items,
we
need
to
exclude
the
press
or
public
from
apologies,
for
absence
have
been
received
from
councillor
panda
from
kirkleese
and
we've
got
councillor
peter
mcbride
stepping
in
to
substitute
and
we've
also
got
apologies
from
denise
jefferies
in
workfield.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Welcome
peter
okay,
don't
be
aware
of
any
other
apologies
item.
Six
disclosures
of
declarations
of
disclosable
pecuniary
interests,
I'll
draw
members
attention
to
the
the
wording
on
there
and
advise
people
to
declare
interests
either
now
or,
as
the
item
arises
again,
john
nothing
notified
in
advance.
I
take
it.
C
So
item
seven
is
the
report
on
the
business
rates
pool
and
I'll
ask
victoria
to
take
us
through
this.
B
Thank
you.
I'm
victoria
bradshaw,
I'm
chief
finance
officer
for
leeds
city,
council
and
report
that
we're
considering
is
the
north
and
west
yorkshire
business
rates
joint
committee
report.
The
report
covers
the
governance
arrangements,
the
memorandum
of
understanding
in
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
joint
committee
and
asked
the
joint
committee
to
consider
and
approve
those
arrangements.
B
The
report
also
covers
the
current
position
of
the
north
and
west
yorkshire
pool
and
the
estimated
position
and
the
latest
income
projections
and
also
the
proposed
allocations
of
the
funding
for
this
financial
year.
So
if
we
first
consider
the
governance
arrangements
that
are
covered
in
appendix
a
and
b
to
the
report,
so
actually,
if
we
just
look
at
the
membership
of
the
joint
committee,
sorry,
that's
detailed
in
paragraph
3.1
of
the
report.
B
A
representative
from
the
north
yorkshire
is
required,
or
the
joint
committee
may
again
decide
that
no
further
representative
is
required
because
we
need
we
have
10
representatives
on
the
committee.
If
we're
only
going
to
have
nine,
then
the
memorandum
of
understanding
shall
be
amended
to
reflect
that.
So
please
can
the
joint
committee
advise
whether
they
would
ask
the
north
yorkshire
authorities
to
nominate
somebody
else
or
whether
we
go
with
nine
members
of
the
joint
committee?
C
Let's
just
check
that
now,
if
we
may,
I
guess
that
that's.
That
is
a
question
for
our
three
north
yorkshire
colleagues.
I
think
really,
whether
they've
any
strong
views
are
happy
to
go
with
the
with
the
nine
rather
than
ten
steve.
D
Thanks
chair,
I'm
happy
with
nine
I'm
not
aware
of
anyone.
Who's
was
wishing
to
join
the
group.
C
Okay,
so
we'll
be
happy
to
go
with
nine
and
we'll
build
that
into
the
recommendations.
Victoria.
Do
you
want
you
want
to
carry
on.
B
Yes,
please
thank
you,
so
if
we
can
then
consider
appendix
a
which
is
the
memorandum
of
understanding,
this
covers
the
membership
of
the
joint
committee.
It
also
covers
when
the
pool
commences
and
when
it
will
be
dissolved.
B
The
memorandum
of
understanding
looks
at
the
rationale
and
objectives
of
the
pool
and
how
the
resources
are
being
utilized
and
allocated,
and
it
covers
the
leadership
and
representatives
and
responsibilities
and
who
the
lead
authority
is,
which
is
currently
suggested
as
being
lead
city
council
and
then
what
their
requirements
are.
So
what
would
trigger
the
pool
to
be
dissolved
the
treatment
of
any
potential
income
losses
by
an
authority,
for
example,
if
the
safety?
B
If
the
authority
hit
the
safety
net
and
the
treatment
of
residual
benefits
or
liabilities,
and
once
the
pool's
being
dissolved,
then
it
covers,
what's
still
required
to
continue.
So
if
there's
any
financial
benefit,
that's
been
transferred
to
a
member
authority
that
they
will
still
be
responsible
for
that
that
financial
benefit
and
also
to
ensure
that
and
the
money
has
been
spent
with
value
for
money
etc.
C
B
So
appendix
b
covers
the
terms
of
reference,
so
this
is
what
the
joint
committee
is
authorised
to
do
and
needs
to
do
so.
It
details
things
like
the
quorum
for
the
meeting
etc
and
the
voting
rights.
So
it's
just
whether
we
can
approve
that
terms
of
reference
for
the
joint
committee.
B
So
if
we
move
back
to
the
main
body
of
the
report,
the
report
then
goes
on
to
cover
the
current
position
for
the
pool
and
the
estimated
financial
position
for
2021..
B
So
the
pool's
estimated
income
now
is
projected
to
be
9.5
million
and
that's
a
reduction
of
1.3
million
since
the
member
authorities
completed
their
ndr
ones
now,
the
reduction
is
mainly
due
to
the
increased
need
for
a
bad
debt
provision
for
empty
rate
release
and
also
reduction
in
growth
assumptions
that
were
assumed
before
covet
table.
B
One
of
the
report
provides
a
summary
of
the
income
assumptions
for
members
to
consider
so
the
report
details
the
risks
to
the
pool
funding,
which
is
mainly
due
to
two
factors:
the
contribution
into
the
pool
being
reduced
and
then,
if
an
authority
hits
the
safety
net,
then
some
of
those
contributions
would
need
to
be
used
for
that
authority.
So
it
brought
them
back
up
to
safety.
B
Now
we
won't
know
for
certain
what
the
actual
income
levels
will
be
for
any
certainty
until
the
end
of
the
financial
year
and
that's
when
the
ndr3
returns
are
completed
table
two
of
the
report
that
details
how
much
in
authorities
business
rate
income
would
need
to
reduce
by
before
they
hit
the
safety
net
and
and
that's
proposed
in
table
two.
B
So
then,
if
we
move
on
to
the
proposed
allocation
of
the
funding
for
2021,
so
when
we
were
proposing
the
application
process
for
the
pooled
support
fund-
and
we
agreed
that
the
funds
would
be
shared
amongst
the
pool
members
and
that
was
based
upon
the
approach
of
the
predecessor
pools
and
table
three
details.
The
current
projected
projected
income
levels
based
on
the
funding
that
we're
currently
forecasting
and
then,
if
we
just
move
to
recommendations
in
8.1,
we
just
need
to
make
sure
we've
covered
everything
in
there.
Unless
anybody's
got
any
questions.
C
Okay,
yeah
keith
yeah.
E
Thanks
very
much
chair
your
your
report
touches
on
it
victoria,
but
it's
the
the
potential
loss
of
of
business
rate,
income
and
primarily
with
an
eye
on
on
future
years,
and
you
probably
don't
don't
know
the
answers
to
that
question
or
what
the
impact
might
be,
but
just
to
just
to
raise
it
and
see
if
you've
got
any
comments
at
this
stage,
please
I.
B
Think
table
two
shows
that,
because
the
biggest
risk
for
the
pool
is
if
one
of
the
member
authorities
hit
safety
net
and
table,
two
shows
that
how
much
is
forecast
from
retain
retained
income
by
each
of
the
authorities
and
then
how
much
it
needs
to
be
to
get
to
to
lose,
to
hit
the
safety
net.
And,
as
you
can
see,
the
majority
of
the
authorities
would
have
to
lose
between
10
and
30
of
their
business
rates
to
hit
sage
net.
So
we
feel
that
it's
low
risk
leads
is
the
lowest.
B
But
again,
we've
done
an
analysis
of
that
and
we
feel
that
it
is.
It
will
be
low
risk
for
us
to
drop
further.
When
we
originally
forecast
our
business
rates,
it
was
184
million
and
we're
currently
forecasting
158.
B
You
just
have
to
drop
by
another
12
million
on
top
of
those
forecasts
to
hit
saturn,
and
we
feel
that
that's
very
unlikely.
So
we
think
the
risk
for
this
year
is
minimal,
but
we
still
have
to
highlight
it,
but
next
year
I
think
we
we
need
to
just
do
some
further
work
on
forecasting
and
then
to
decide
whether,
as
a
joint
committee,
whether
we
are
going
to
put
an
application
in
for
a
pool
for
next
year.
C
C
C
Thank
you
getting
nods
and
hands.
So
I
think
that's
unanimous,
thank
you
and
then
the
only
other
item
I
mentioned
was
date
and
time
of
next
meeting.
I'm
assuming
we're
probably
not
likely
to
need
regular
meetings
with
this
group
this
year,
given
the
the
mechanism
we've
adopted,
but
we
will
what
at
what
point
will
we
need
to
decide
whether
whether
to
apply
for
the
pool
to
continue
to
be
some
time?
I
guess
that's
a
little
bit
unknown
at
the
moment
as
well.
Is
it.
B
It's
the
end
of
october
that
we
need
to
decide
whether
we're
going
to
apply
for
the
next
pool,
so
I
will
be
emailing
round
in
the
next
couple
of
days.
Counselor
swift
around
people's
views
on
that.
C
Okay,
yeah
and
I
think
I'm
happy
that
we
leave
it
that
we'll
we'll
we'll
arrange
a
date
for
a
future
meeting
as
and
when
one
is
required.
Rather
than.
D
Thanks
chair
just
really
on
that
last
point,
given
the
fact
that
what
victoria's
saying
about
about
the
the
likely
change
or
or
likely
not
to
have
change
in
the
incomes
that's
been
predicted,
are
we
really
going
to
be
in
a
position
by
the
end
of
october
to
be
able
to
make
a
judgment
about
the
pool
next
year
it's
going
to
be
a
bit
of
a
shot
in
the
dark?
Really
isn't
it.
B
I
think
it
will
have
to
make
a
judgment
on
the
estimates,
but
as
far
as
we
know
at
the
moment,
that
is
the
deadline
the
government
are
keeping
to
about
applications
too
and
the
pools.
Obviously,
I
think
that
all
authorities
will
be
doing
their
forward
strategies
for
next
year
and
making
an
estimate
on
where
they
think
the
business
rates
income
will
be
based
on
what's
happened
currently
in
this
year.
Obviously,
it's
an
unprecedented
event,
so
we
we
don't.
B
C
B
But
I
think
if
we
came
to
the
point
where,
when
we
got
to
january
10,
we
were
feeling
that
we
were
going
to
have
a
number
of
authorities
in
satanic
to
make
it
not
worthwhile.
Then
we
would
want
the
pool
to
be
dissolved.