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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
welcome
to
this
afternoon's
executive
board
meeting
of
fleet
city
council.
Can
we
get
the
proceedings
underway
and
jared
I'm
coming
to
you
out
in
one.
B
Thank
you,
chair
appeals.
There's
been
no
appeals
received
for
today's
meeting.
B
Exempt
information
yes
chair.
If
the
board's
agreeable
appendix
two
twice
16,
which
is
estate,
realization
and
accelerate,
a
couple
of
receipts
is
to
be
designated
as
being
exempt
from
publication
and
considered
in
private.
At
the
conclusion
of
the
public
meeting.
B
A
Thank
you
item
four.
Do
we
have
any
declarations
of
disclosable
cunary
interests?
Looking
at
council
carter,
it
looks
as
though
he's
indicating.
No,
oh
sorry,
no,
okay,
all
right!
Sorry,
yeah!
I
think
you
were
maybe
touching
your
screen.
Okay,
thank
you
and
item
five.
Could
we
approve
confirm
as
a
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
are
a
correct
record.
A
Yep,
okay,
take
that
here
say:
yes,
so,
let's
get
on
to
the
first
item
of
the
agenda,
which
is
item
six,
the
learning
and
skill
learning,
skills
and
employment
portfolio
counselor
prior.
B
Thank
you
councillor,
blake,
just
to
say
my
internet
connection
seems
a
bit
in
and
out
at
the
moment.
So
if
I
vanish,
I
do
apologize.
So
this
is
the
design
and
cost
report
for
alex
and
grange
school
permanent
expansion
of
60
places,
taking
the
pan
from
240
to
300..
B
Obviously,
in
june,
back
in
june,
exec
board
approved
capital
expenditure
of
2.1
to
remodel
the
clc
center,
which
was
in
lcc
hands,
and
this
paper
seeks
approval
for
the
5
million
to
deliver
the
remainder
of
the
works
I'll
leave
it
there
for
an
introduction.
Thank
you.
C
Yes,
thank
you
just
a
couple.
I'm
supporting
the
the
paper
on
the
basis
that
that
we
need
the
school
places,
but
have
a
number
of
of
questions
I
want
to
raise.
C
C
We're
going
to
be
talking
today
at
length,
I
guess,
on
a
whole
series
of
financial
papers
and
to
to
have
projected
overspends
on
items
within
the
council's
own
gift.
I
think
is,
is
somewhat
concerning
so
I'd
like
an
answer
on
that.
Please
also
it's
an
interesting
site
because
of
the
the
dual
ownership
and
the
fact
that
the
school
itself
was
a
pfi
project.
C
It
was,
I
think,
part
of
the
original
building
schools
for
the
future
programme
and,
of
course,
the
government
is
now
hit
on
the
head,
though
the
pfi
program-
quite
rightly
in
my
view,
but
I'd
like
to
know
whether
this
is
a
a
remnant
of
the
past.
So
could
I
have
those
questions
answered?
Please.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
martin,
are
you,
would
you
be
taking
this.
B
B
B
I
have
no
further
comments.
Councillor
blake,
I
think
tim
might
want
to
say
something
on
the
pfi
channel.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
we've
set
out
in
4.5.2
the
sort
of
fees
that
we
will
have
to
pay
on
this
pair
5
scheme.
B
There
are
a
whole
range
of
fees
that
will
be
payable
in
respect
of
the
special
purpose
vehicle
and
particularly
the
lenders
for
this
particular
scheme
as
well
in
connection
with
the
deed
of
variation.
That
is
part
of
the
recommendation
from
executive
board
today,
so
to
agree,
the
deed
of
variation,
the
the
pfi
providers
are
entitled
to
charge
some
fees
on
that.
B
Those
fees
are
still
to
be
negotiated
depending
on
the
level
of
work
that
the
pfi
provider
is
required
to
do
on
the
deed
of
variation.
But
as
a
rough
guide,
I
would
estimate
it
will
be
in
the
region
of
about
70
000
pounds,
but
that's
still
to
be
finalized,
as
martin
suggested.
In
terms
of
this
report.
It's
a
it's
about
getting
to
the
design
stage,
freeze
and
then
having
those
further
discussions
with
the
providers.
C
A
D
D
D
But
in
my
own
ward,
I'm
afraid
these
inflated
costs
that
council
carter
is
focusing
on
are
a
consequence
of
central
government
dominating
how
we
develop
our
school
portfolio
in
the
city
and
putting
conditions
on
them,
and
these
these
historic
pfi
requirements
can
be
just
as
inhibiting,
I
suppose,
as
the
modern
academization
requirements
and
the
inability
of
the
council
to
actually
decide
where
it
thinks
is
best
to
build
new
places
and
instead
has
to
do
complex
negotiations
with
existing
schools
to
try
and
expand
their
current
sites
to
accommodate
children
that
they
were
initially
not
designed.
D
For.
So
I
have
every
sympathy
with
the
administration
in
trying
to
find
new
places
at
an
affordable
rate
in
some
very
difficult
geographical
circumstances.
So
I
support
the
paper.
A
Thank
you
and
council
pride.
You
want
to
come
back
in
just
to
wrap
this
up.
C
Please,
okay,
sorry!
Yes,
it's
always
good
to
get
these
meetings
off
to
a
helpful
start
and
always
useful
to
hear
judith's
little
helper.
Particular
head
of
the
liberal
democrats.
C
C
He
might
like
to
explain
his
tenure
as
a
governor
at
a
school.
That's
recently
been
academized
following
serial
failures,
so
I
will
not
take
any
lectures
from
him
on
the
education
of
young
people.
That
was
the
point
I
wanted
to
make
really
chair.
Thank
you.
B
Well,
if
councillor
carter
won't
take
lectures
from
cancer
galton,
I'm
sure
he'll
be
more
than
happy
to
take
them
from
me,
but
he's
absolutely
councillor.
Galton
is
is
absolutely
right.
The
reason
we're
in
this
position,
where
we're
having
to
expand
schools
is
precisely
because
the
government
has
stopped
us
from
opening
new
schools.
It's
as
simple
as
that
these
places
and
and
a
lot
of
others
across
the
city
are
expensive,
but
that's
the
price
of
them
we
are
where
we
are.
A
I
I
don't
think
I
need
to
add
much
to
that
other
than
it's
disappointing
to
hear
councillor
carter's
comments.
Given
that
you
know
at
a
national
level,
we
have
fairly
well
cross-party
consensus
that
the
current
situation
of
local
authorities
not
being
allowed
to
open
schools
is
unsustainable,
untenable
and
is
not
in
the
best
interests
of
children,
young
people
that
we
represent.
A
So
I
am,
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
lobby
to
get
those
powers
back
so
that
we
can
have
a
very
sensible,
much
more
sensible
approach
to
how
we
actually
provide
for
people
places
right
across
the
city.
But
with
that
and
an
agreement
to
supply
further
education
information
as
we
as
we
get
it.
Can
we
approve
the
recommendations
and
move
on
to
item
seven,
which
is
councillor
charlwood's
portfolio.
E
E
This
paper
is
outlining
our
approach
to
asset
based
community
development,
which
is
called
abcd
nicely,
and
for
those
who
don't
aren't
aware
of
what
abcd
is
it's
it's
been
used
by
the
council
and
others
to
encapsulate
a
way
of
working
with
people
across
all
the
different
parts
of
the
council,
so
in
children's
services
and
adults
and
communities
different
directives,
and
it's
an
approach
to
working
with
people
in
their
communities
to
build
up
the
capacity
of
those
communities
to
support
each
other
and
to
enable
thriving,
healthier,
more,
perhaps
productive
and
economically
viable.
E
And
you
know
you
know
better
sort
of
nicer
areas
to
live
as
well
as
enabling
people
to
live
a
happier,
healthier
life
for
themselves,
and
so
it's
challenging
ourselves
to
work
in
that
way.
E
Wherever
we
work
with
individuals-
and
this
paper
just
brings
forward
some
of
those
really
really
incredible
examples
actually
of
how
this
sort
of
approach
has
embedded
a
lot
across
the
council
and
the
amount
of
money
we
put
into
it,
I
think,
is
around
about
400
000
pounds
annually
shows
the
impact
of
that
work
on
all
of
our
services
and
that
and
actually
relieves
pressure
on.
E
Other
services
as
well,
we
it
also
it
it's
a
really
really
detailed
report
going
through
all
sorts
of
different
examples
which
I'm
sure
members
will
and
know
of
examples
in
their
own
wards
as
well.
But
neighborhood
networks
have
taken
an
asset-based
community
development
approach
and
helped
people
to
live
happier
lives
in
their
communities,
but
just
through
a
little
bit
of
intervention,
sometimes
and
enabling
people
to
do
the
things
they
want
to
do.
E
We
can
avoid
a
huge
amount
of
upstream
issues
and
costs
onto
health
services,
social
care
services
and
and
crisis
for
individuals,
and
so
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
it's
also
economically,
is
better
off
for
local
government.
E
It
talks
about
nesta
in
there
and
how
we're
one
of
seven
areas
that
have
worked
with
nesta
on
this
issue
and
also
talks
about
how
we've
had
leeds
beckett
university
doing
a
an
evaluation
exercise.
I
think
they've
found
that
something
like
27
pounds
of
social
value
is
generated
for
every
pound
spent.
E
I
mean
that's
a
huge
figure
and
it'll
differ
for
each
individual
project
and
each
individual
project
by
its
necessity
should
be
individually
tailored,
but
it
gives
them
an
idea
of
just
how
valuable
this
sort
of
work
is,
and
it
also
highlights
really
importantly,
how
this
approach
has
been
used
in
the
covered
response,
and
it's
important
to
highlight
that,
because
thousands
of
volunteers
came
forward
from
our
communities
and
enabling
those
volunteers
to
do
what
they
wanted
to
do
to
help
their
neighbours
and
their
community
is
very
much
asset-based
community
development
and
undoubtedly
stopped
a
huge
amount
of
demand
on
our
services
and
state-funded
services
of
more
of
a
more
pronounced
and
further
down
the
line
and
more
expensive
fashion.
E
But
it's
allowed
people
to
to
support
each
other
in
their
communities,
which
is
ultimately
a
really
wonderful
outcome.
So
I
also
want
to
welcome
carmel
langstaff,
who
is
the
chief
officer
responsible
for
driving
this
sort
of
work
in
the
council,
she's
new
to
the
council.
We
appointed
her
recently,
and
this
is
her
first
executive
board
as
well,
so
welcome
to
her.
So
it's
very
exciting
she
wrote
this
report
and
also
she'll
be
driving
this
forward.
E
So
hopefully,
we've
got
a
really
strong
future
for
our
base
community
development
avcd
in
driving
the
future
of
the
council's
work
as
well,
because
we're
going
to
need
all
the
help
we
can
get
to
unlock
the
talents
and
abilities
and
resilience
of
our
communities
as
our
funding
challenges
increase.
Thank
you.
C
C
C
I
won't
go
into
them,
but
those
who
read
the
report,
we
realize
there's
some
interesting,
interesting
ways
of
evaluating
the
benefits
of
some
of
these
things,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
critical
because
I
think
it
is
a
good
paper
and
it
is
the
way
forward,
but
I
I
particularly
want
to
see
the
wide
revaluation
in
december.
Could
you
confirm
that's
going
to
be
the
case.
Please.
A
I
I
don't
know
if
carmel
would
like
to
cath.
Would
you
like
to
come
in
first
well,
carmel
might
be
closer
to
the
detail,
so
it
is
september
that
the
the
academic
evaluation
is
due.
F
Given
the
leading
time
to
get
to
executive
board
in
december,
it
might
be
more
likely
to
land
in
january,
you've
got
to
sort
of
have
virtually
written
things
six
weeks
before.
F
Summative
event
planned
before
they
do
the
final
version
so
it'll
either.
A
Be
december
or
january,
okay,
thank
you,
carmel.
Could
I
welcome
you
to
executive
boards
elites
and
thank
you
for
this
report.
Is
there
any
comment
you'd
like
to
make
at
this
stage.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
er
goldtone.
Do
you
want
to
come
in.
D
D
I
don't
think
that's
because
of
any
kind
of
implementation
plan
from
the
council,
it's
more
about
more
and
more
people
getting
what
it
means
in
terms
of
enabling
it
to
happen,
and
I
think
we
we
do
need
to
respond
in
some
of
the
other
council
departments
from
other
than
adult
social
care
from
where
it
emerged,
and
in
particular
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
things
like
our
communities
teams,
where
our
current
structure
for
distributing
locality-based
capacity
building
funds
are
very
strictured
and
focused
towards
already
established
groupings,
as
opposed
to
stimulating
further
asset-based
activity
within
communities,
and
I
think
that's
that's
something
we
can
really
work
on,
and
other
structures
from
within
the
health
and
well-being
board
in
terms
of
being
able
to
deliver
that
strategy.
D
More
widely
are
going
to
have
to
really
embrace
this
concept.
If
we're
going
to
engage
and
enthuse
different
people
within
our
communities
to
go
that
that
little
bit
further
and
and
the
covert
experience
has
told
us
that
where
we
can
offer
that
encouragement
early
on
and
with
as
little
bureaucracy
as
possible,
so
much
can
be
achieved
through
encouraging
people
to
do
even
more.
So
I
look
for
I
look
forward
to
the
next
report
on
this
too
because
and
I
hope
to
see
some
rapid
development
enabled
in
many
ways
by
elected
members.
E
No,
yes,
I
think,
thanks
for
your
support
and
ongoing
kind
of
you
know,
contribution
to
the
agenda,
because
everybody
who
represents
different
parts
of
the
city
have
an
interest
in
their
wards
and
their
communities,
and-
and
I
think
it
it
covers
it-
it
helps
everybody
to
to
galvanize
their
community
kind
of
champions,
people
who
really
want
to
make
a
difference
in
their
communities
and
it's
about
giving
them
the
the
tools
and
the
and
the
result
minimal
resources
they
might
need
just
to
spark
something
off.
E
That
could
help
a
lot
of
people
and
also
create
connections
with
our
with
between
communities.
So
it's
about
you
know,
somebody's
got
a
problem,
so
historically,
we
would
give
them
a
service.
What
service
do
they
need?
Whereas
it's
more
a
case
of
actually
a
lot
of
our
problems.
These
days
can
stamp
a
lack
of
connection
with
each
other
loneliness.
You
know
and
then
problems
can
emerge
down
the
line
from
that
that
can
end
up
as
a
health,
social
care
or
even
criminal
justice
or
whatever
crisis.
E
So
we've
all
got
a
part
to
play
in
this.
I
appreciate
your
support
on
that.
I
don't
know
if
karma
wants
to
mention
anything
about
how
to
drive
it,
how
we're
driving
it
forward
in
the
next
phase,
if
you've
got
anything
to
sort
of
pad
out
for
that,
that
would
be
useful,
happy.
G
To
do
that,
counselor,
section
3.16
of
the
report
sets
out
the
activity
that
we're
undertaking
this
financial
year
and
since
writing,
the
report
we've
actually
made
some
great
strides
in
relation
to
some
of
those
areas
that
highlighted
the
report.
B
G
Relation
to
partnership,
working
where
we're
working
more
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
economic
development
and
to
pick
up
on
council
goldson's
point
in
terms
of
the
relationship
with
communities
directorate,
we're
looking
to
build
on
that
that
relationship
further.
The
community's
directorate.
As
is
highlighted
in
the
report,
our
funding,
a
new
pathfinder
site
that
we're
looking
to
develop
before
the
end
of
the
financial
year
in
in
holbeck.
So
there's
a
number
of
activities
that
we're
undertaking
in
relation
to
strengthening
our
partnership
working
across
the
council
and
beyond.
G
G
As
we
move
forward
and
section
3.17
of
the
report
looks
further
forward
to
the
medium
to
long-term
plan
in
relation
to
how
we
can
use
the
evaluation
that
counselor,
catherine
and
galton
referred
to
that's
been
undertaken
by
lee's
back
at
university
to
see
how
we
can
use
that
to
to
evidence
the
impact
further
and
and
build
in
our
work
today
in
in
terms
of
other
key
areas
that
that
we're
looking
to
develop.
G
In
that
medium's
short
term,
I
think
there
there
is
there's
stronger
work
that
we
can
do
in
terms
of
the
partnerships
with
our
voluntary
sector.
So
I'll
just
pick
out
some
of
those
as
as
highlights
in
terms
of
activity
that
hopefully
you'll
see
as
we
develop
this
in
the
years
ahead.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
very
much,
and
I
I
guess
it
just
you
know
repeating
what
counselor
charles
said.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
had
such
an
important
moment
for
this
work.
Actually,
and-
and
it's
been
it's
really
so
much
has
been
achieved
over
the
last
few
months,
but
obviously
the
challenges
ahead
are
immense.
So
I
think
all
the
work
puts
us
in
a
very
good
place
to
to
move
forward.
Thank
you
very
much
to
your
contributions
and
look
forward
to
the
next.
The
next
update.
A
H
And
myself,
thank
you
chair.
This
is
the
the
first
of
two
reports
about
temple,
news
and
park
and
estate.
The
first
is
about
temple
nissan
playbar,
the
home
farm
temple
newseum,
is
a
well
established
and
popular
attraction,
with
a
variety
of
rare
breed
animals
set
within
our
heritage.
Buildings
reports
highlights
a
fantastic
opportunity,
transformed
the
entrance
to
the
attraction
on
an
indoor
play
barn
with
a
cafe
and
a
retail
facility
to
encourage
more
visitors
all
year
round,
who
will
benefit
from
an
improved
experience.
H
The
project
will
serve
and
restore
important
heritage
buildings
which
cannot
be
used
in
the
current
situation.
The
report
is
asking
chair
to
inject
3.7
million
to
transform
the
attraction
to
one
that
is
financially
sustainable.
H
C
Yes,
thank
you
what
to
say
it's
it's.
This
is
a
difficult
one.
I
appreciate
the
aspiration,
but
I
have
a
number
of
concerns,
particularly
about
the
timing.
C
Well,
the
answer
to
that
has
to
be
no,
we
don't,
but
but
do
we
do
we
re-evaluate
the
timing
and
the
necessity
of
everything
that
we're
doing,
particularly
when
it
means
the
incurring
of
more
borrowing,
and
I
am
very
concerned
that
the
business
case
for
this
at
this
time
does
not
stack
up,
and
I
would
also
like
a
finance
officer
to
tell
me
what
the
interest
payments
on
the
3.6
million
prudential
borrowing
would
be
please,
but
I'm
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
at
the
moment,
not
because
I'm
against
it
in
principle,
because
I
aren't
but
because
I
think
it
is
probably
a
step
too
far
at
this
time,
and
I
do
hope
I
can
have
some
assurance
that
as
this
progresses
and
before
we
are
wholly
committed,
we're
going
to
get
reports
back
to
the
exec
board
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
james.
Do
you
want
to
come
in
first
james
rogers.
B
I
can
do
chair.
Thank
you
by
all
means.
I
think
the
key
term
that
counts
cathy,
was
there
was
on
support
borrowing.
This
is
this:
is
product
prudential
borrowing,
so
it's
not
unsupported.
It's
it's
actually
funded
by
the
income
that
will
be
generated
from
the
investment
in
the
facility,
which
is
why
the
business
case
stacks
up
in
terms
of
the
the
question
around
covid
and
the
challenges
that
we
face.
What
we've
built
in
the
recommendation
in
the
report
was
clearly.
B
This
is
an
indoor
play
ban
and
clearly,
currently
the
restrictions
clearly
have
some
impact
upon
that
sort
of
facility.
So
what
we've
included
the
recommendation
so
we'll
review
this
in
february
2021
before
we
actually
enter
into
any
awarding
any
tenders,
so
we
can
be
clear
that
we
will
be
able
to
operate
the
the
facility
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
moving
forward,
so
we've
got
a
mechanism
in
there
to
review
it.
B
What
I
would
also
say
is
that
the
business
case
that
we've
established
is
currently
based
upon
developing
income
on
the
basis
of
it
being
at
30
capacity
in
terms
of
usage.
If
you
actually
look
at
the
covered
regulations
that
are
in
place
currently
in
terms
of
indoor
play
areas,
the
capacity
that
they
can
operate
at
is
40,
so
the
business
case
is
currently
less
than
what
is
the
current
capacity.
B
That's
in
with
the
covert
guidance
that's
being
issued,
but,
like
I
say
clearly
that
could
change,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
put
the
review
period
in
february
2021.
So
we
could
make
sure
that
we're
still
in
a
position
where
it
does
make
sense
to
move
forward.
If
it
doesn't,
then
we
will
not
progress
to
tender
on
this
particular
scheme.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
victoria
o'neil.
Do
you
want
to
come
in
on
the
at
all.
I
And
the
only
thing
that
I
would
say,
council
blake,
is
that
we
have
reviewed
the
business
case
and
we
have
done
some
sensitivity
around
the
income
projections.
I
can
get
the
amount
of
interest
that's
charged
on
that
3.6
million
foreign.
F
Yes,
please
counselor
black.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
in
there.
I
think
that
the
local
award
members
of
temple
nilsam
are
supportive
of
this
investment
and
these
improvements
in
place.
I
think
that
councillor
carter
makes
some
valid
points.
I
have
to
say
about
finances,
and
I
think
that
james
rogers
has
has
addressed
the
fact
that
actually
this
will
be
reviewed
again
come
february
before
any
financial
cost
is
incurred
to
us
to
re-evaluate
at
that
time
on
the
funding.
F
So,
on
those
grounds,
the
temple
news
and
board
members
really
do
support.
We've
talked
about
this
investment
in
temple
news
and
for
many
years.
Indeed
going
back
to
when
I
was
exec
board
member
for
parks,
and
so
I'm
really
pleased
to
start
finally
see
it
come
to
fruition.
I
think
it's
it's.
F
An
excellent
facility
is
the
temple
news
and
farm
and
children
really
love
it,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
stand
still
and
not
invest
there,
otherwise
we're
going
to
lose
it
as
a
really
quality
facility
for
children
and
families
to
visit.
So
I
think
we
need
to
program
improvements
and
investment
in
with
the
caveat
that
james
rogers
said
about
you
know
really
looking
at
the
decision
in
february
around
the
financial
cost
of
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you
andrew
andrew.
Are
you
indicating
you
want
to
come
in.
C
Yes,
I
am
yes,
I
am.
I
mean
I'm
reassured
about
the
february
revisit
I
used
to
say
to
mr
rogers.
The
difference
between
prudential
borrowing
and
unsupported
borrowing
is
exactly
the
point.
I
was
trying
to
make
to
you
that
if
your
business
case
doesn't
stack
up,
your
prudential
borrowing
becomes
unsupported
borrowing
and
that's
my
concern
and
I
hope
that
from
what
director
of
resources
has
said,
she's
taking
that
point
very
clearly.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council
galton.
Would
you
like
to
comment.
A
Okay,
councillor
fig,
do
you
want
to
come
back
in.
H
I
think
I
think
the
council
carter's
questions
or
concerns
that
have
been
addressed,
but
let
me
just
say
one
thing
that
I
think
within
within
parks,
we
have
a
very
successful
model
of
actually
developing
proposals
and
particularly
around
visitor
attractions,
where
we
actually
successfully
managed
to
get
income
as
a
result
of
it,
and
this
is
no
different
and
I'm
sure
the
pro
the
proposal
will
and
the
figures
will
will
stack
up,
and
this
is
not
just
a
an
attraction
for
for
these
leads
or
temple
new
zealand.
A
Thank
you,
cancer,
fake.
So
acknowledging
the
comments
made.
Can
we
approve
the
recommendations,
noting
council
carter's
comments
and
move
on
to
item
nine?
Please
casper
feek.
H
Thank
you,
chad.
Moving
on
this
is
the
second
report
about
temple
nissan
estate
development.
I'm
sure
lawsuits
will
well
aware
it's
been
before
scrutiny,
but
sorry
executive
board.
In
the
past,
this
report
shows
there
is
also
a
public
consultation
on
proposals
through
temple
nissan
estate,
which
took
place
from
december
2019
until
the
end
of
march
this
year
the
consultation
received
responsive
from
over
2000
people
ensured
that
majority
of
responders,
including
local
residents,
support
developing
at
age
of
visitor
facilities
at
temple,
news
alongside
remodeled
golf
course
and
other
landscape
improvements.
H
There
are
obviously
a
number
of
potential
benefits
to
this
scheme
and
increasing
visitor
numbers
to
this
area
of
temple
nissan
estate,
reducing
cost
to
the
council
of
managing
the
area
by
increasing
income
and
events,
and
the
new
proposed
cafe
as
well
providing
opportunities
for
people
to
enjoy
healthy
outdoor
activities
such
as
cycling
and
and
walking,
providing
a
safe
space
for
children
and
and
to
learn
to
ride
a
bike
helping
helping
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
climate
change
by
planting
trees,
creating
more
wildlife
habitats
and
contributing
to
the
culture
of
the
city
through
a
new
vista
attraction.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Casa,
rafique,
pastor,.
C
Carter,
yes,
thank
you,
chad,
a
number
of
points,
one
one
particular
one.
First
of
all,
it
was
it's
been
drawn
to
my
attention
that
the
department
told
the
members
of
the
golf
club,
the
committee
of
the
golf
club,
that
there
was
not
money
in
the
business
case
to
get
an
architect
who
specializes
in
golf
club
golf
course
layouts
when
they
suggested
an
architect
who
was
a
member
of
the
mackenzie
society.
C
They
they
and
I
think
quite
rightly,
have
raised
their
eyebrows
at
the
fact
that
there's
now
125
000
pounds
in
the
business
case,
which
appears
to
be
for,
amongst
other
things,
the
design
of
the
golf
course
now.
The
architect
they
mentioned
by
name
is
not
the
only
one.
There
are
two
other
golf
clubs
in
leeds
were
that
were
designed
by
mckenzie
and
have
green
keepers
and
other
people
associated
with
them.
C
C
A
Okay,
can
I
bring
shaun
in
please
to
help
us
with
this.
B
Thank
you
just
in
response
to
councillor
carter's
point
about
the
layout
of
the
golf
course
we,
the
club,
submitted
at
that
meeting
that
referred
to
as
part
of
the
consultation,
a
draft
layout
that
they
thought
would
work
for
the
18
holes
and
we
with
our
using
our
with
our
green
keeping
staff
that
helped
look
after
the
site.
B
We
came
up
with
a
proposal
that
wasn't
far
away
from
that
and
we
actually
sent
those
proposals
by
email
to
the
club
for
them
to
consider
which
gave
a
detailed
layout
of
where
the
teas
and
the
greens
were
located
and
how
the
cost
was
going
to
be
amended.
So
the
gulf
have
received
that
a
copy
of
that,
and
we
have
been
in
communication
with
them
to
actually
meet
and
talk
about
the
layout
and
design
of
the
course.
B
It
was
always
our
intention
from
the
beginning
not
to
go
into
a
wholesale
redesign
of
all
the
fairways
and
greens
and
major
landforming,
because
that
would
cost
hundreds
of
thousands
of
pounds
spent
on
the
golf
course
itself
and
what
they
always.
The
intention
always
was
to
remodel
the
existing
teas
and
greens.
B
B
I
think
this
we're
talking
about
as
a
minor
difference
of
a
couple
of
teas.
That's
all.
A
C
Well,
I
was
briefed
only
yesterday
and
I've
reiterated
what
I
was
told
can
I
suggest,
therefore,
that
to
try
and
resolve
this
in
an
amicable
way
once
and
for
all
you
get
back
to
the
golf
club,
because
people
who
briefed
me
yesterday
were
quite
clear,
quite
clear
on
what
they
said.
I
have
no
reason
I
don't
want
to
disbelieve
either
of
you,
but
there
is
a
and
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
do.
I'm
going
to
say
that
I
want
to
see
it
cleared
up
and
I
I
have
to
say
chair.
C
A
Well,
I'm
I'm
sure
that
sean
and
council
rafiq
would
want
to
get
this
moved
on
absolutely
I'd.
Obviously,
there's
it
sounds
of
those
different
conversations
have
been
having
taking
place,
but
sean
I'm
sure
you
will
clarify
the
way
forward
as
you've
outlined
it.
B
A
It's
it's.
You
know,
no,
absolutely,
no
reason
to
doubt
that
you
have
been
in
direct
communication
with
them
with
the
club
and
whether
that
has
all
been
circulated
to
everyone
it.
You
know
we
need
to
find
out
really
why
why
there
is
a
different,
different
story,
but
I,
from
my
point
of
view,
it
seems
as
though
you've
made
enormous
progress
with
the
with
the
whole
site.
I
don't
know
councillor
cooper
if
you'd
like
to
come
in
as
a
local
board
member.
F
Yes,
please,
council
blake,
I'm
trying
to
capture
attention.
I'm
not
sure
whether
I
were
on
your
visual
screen
that
you've
got
in
front
of
you,
but
yeah
just
really
like
to
say.
I
really
welcome
this
report.
Coming
back
to
executive
bob
today,
I
think
that
local
ward
members
have
been
really
heavily
involved
in
the
consultation
for
this
investment
and
the
new
improvements
to
that
are
proposed.
F
Within
this
report,
we
requested
an
extension
to
the
consultation
to
enable
a
really
widespread
consultation
to
take
part
and
and
indeed
to
allow
our
local
residents
a
real
opportunity
to
come
forward
with
their
views
of
what
they
wanted
to
say
in
their
local
area.
F
So
we're
really
pleased
that
we
managed
to
achieve
the
extension
to
the
consultation
and
actually
that
a
lot
of
our
local
residents
came
forward
and
gave
their
views
as
a
as
is
shown
in
in
the
report.
F
We
also
worked
with
the
private
golf
club
that
council
carter's
just
alluded
to
that
and
as
for
award
members,
we
met
with
them
on
a
number
of
occasions,
and
I
know
that
council
carter
went
along
to
a
meeting
with
them
and
met
them
to
talk
about
what
they
would
like
to
see
as
well.
F
We've
tried
to
work
with
what
their
proposals
were
for
the
new
layout
of
golf
tried
to
include
actual
other
golf
remained,
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
that,
despite
what
some
things
that
were
said,
going
back
a
number
of
months
now
at
council
and
executive
board
that
this
was
in
fact,
a
genuine
consultation
that
listened
to
the
views
of
local
people
that
listened
to
the
wider
citizens
of
leeds
and
also
to
those
who
use
their
facilities
or
those
who
might
use
the
future
facilities.
F
And
therefore
these
proposals
have
come
forward
to
reflect
that
and
both
as
a
temple,
news
and
board
member
and
an
exec
board
member
for
communities.
I
wholeheartedly
support
this
report.
A
Thank
you
before
I
go
back
to
councillor
feet,
councillor
galton.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything.
D
Yes,
thanks
to
chair,
just
listening
to
councillor
cooper
there
at
the
risk
of
sounding
like
boris
johnson
hound
sight.
Hindsight
is
a
great
thing,
isn't
it,
but
I
remember
being
in
the
civic
hall
at
exec
board,
discussing
when
we
were
considering
getting
rid
of
golf
at
temple,
museum
and
saying:
oh,
nobody
goes
and
plays
golf
anymore,
and
this
is
far
more
forward.
Thinking
and
cycling's.
The
way
forward.
D
It
didn't
feel,
like
everyone's
opinions
had
been
taken
into
consideration-
and
I
was
just
thinking
now
about
councillor
cooper,
talking
about
her
ward
and
her
constituents,
and
I
have
no
objection
to
the
paper
in
question
in
terms
of
and
the
previous
one.
I
was
quiet
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
council
can't
stand
still
and
it
needs
to
be
looking
at
things.
D
It
can
invest
in
with
the
hope
that
when
you
come
out
of
covid
restrictions
that
there's
going
to
be
something
left
in
the
city
that
the
council
can
actually
make
some
income
out
of
to
invest
into
services.
So
I
have
no
objection
to
it
at
all,
but
we
get
quite
a
lot
of
these
papers
that
come
to
executive
board
that
are
focused
on
the
flagship
parks
of
round
hay
and
temple
museum
and
latterly
middleton,
because
middleton
used
to
get
left
out
a
lot
as
well
previously.
D
That
talked
about
the
strategy
that
there
was
for
investment
into
our
community
parks,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
really
useful
council
response
to
our
experience
over
covid
and
resp,
responding
to
the
way
that
our
citizens
have
behaved
and
what
their
aspirations
will
be
in
the
future.
A
Actually,
one
of
the
exciting
aspects
for
me
of
this
development
is
there
is
all
of
the
discussions
about
linking
middleton
into
temple
newsroom
and
linking
those
communities
together,
which
I
think
would
you
know,
bring
enormous
benefit
to
to
both
of
the
communities
and
moving
that
forward
and
councillor
cooper.
Is
council
goldstein's
made
a
specific
reference
to
to
you
and
your
award?
Would
you
like
to
come
back.
F
Yes,
please
councillor.
Thank
you.
I
did
actually
say
councillor
galton,
that
I
was
pleased
about
the
facilities
that
we
would
begin
in
the
improvements
that
that
would
benefit
our
citizens
actually
city-wide
for
the
whole
of
the
city,
not
just
for
temple
newseum,
but
you
must
remember
that
it's
actually
sighted
in
my
ward.
F
So
of
course
I
want
the
benefit
for
the
people
who
live
around
that
area
and
the
local
residents
who
live
around
that
area-
and
I
don't
remember,
executive
board
at
that
time
and
I
to
remember
the
councils
that
it's
been
discussed
at
and
throughout
this
whole
process.
F
I
and
my
ward
members
and
in
their
councillor
faker,
said
that
this
is
a
genuine
consultation
that
we
want
to
hear
the
views
of
everybody
come
forward,
and
then
we
will
bring
forward
proposals
around
the
future
of
the
golf
course
and
indeed
the
improvements
that
were
proposed
at
the
time.
That's
what
we
said.
The
fact
that
other
people
decided
to
interpret
it
differently
and
say
other
things
about
it.
You
know
is
a
matter
of
history.
Now,
isn't
it,
but
actually
we've
been
proved
right
today.
F
A
H
Yeah
I
mean
without
repeating
wholeheartedly
agree
with
councillor
councillor
cooper,
but
just
first
of
all,
responding
council
galton's
point.
I
think
these
are
all
if
you
you
you've
mentioned
temple,
newsome
and
rounded,
but
there's
also
golden
acre
and
and
lodderton.
These
are
middleton.
These
are
all
city
parks
and,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
it's
because
they're
city
parks-
and
we
get
people
from
all
over
the
city
and
beyond
yeah,
so
hence
you
know
the
reason
behind
some
of
those.
H
But
having
said
that,
I
mean
we
have
actually
done
a
lot
of
work
over
the
years
in
our
community
parks.
I
think
over
70
of
our
community
parks
actually
meet
the
you
know
the
the
actual
standard
required
and
a
lot
of
work
goes
on.
Reports
are
presented
to
community
committees,
environmental
subgroups,
so
that
work
you
know
will
carry
on.
H
I
don't
actually
doubt
that
for
him
for
a
moment,
just
going
back
to
counselor
carter,
it
is
disappointing
that,
given
we
had
all
this
time,
the
consultation
went
from
december
to
march
I
myself
and
when
you
were
there
as
well,
in
board
members
and
council
of
firth
and
and
and
the
representatives
of
the
gold
course
when
we
met,
I
believe,
was
back
in
january
or
february.
H
I
think,
and
and
that
communication
you
know
we
responded
to
their
concerns
as
sean's
shoulders
pointed
out,
but
for
them
to
then
this
reports,
knowing
that
this
will
come
to
exactly
board
in
in
september.
H
The
paper's
been
published,
for
you
know
nearly
10
days
now
and
for
them
to
constantly
yesterday
and
for
you
to
come
and
make
those
points
today.
I
think
it's
rather
disappointing.
They
could
have
actually
responded
to
to
the
service
to
sean
and
his
team
if
they
had
any
concerns
prior
to
that,
or
indeed
myself
as
well,
if
there,
but
we've
actually
done
all
we
could
to
kind
of
meet
their
concerns
and
and
as
a
result
of
which
I
think
I
think
we've
got
a
very
good
proposal
on
the
table.
Going
forward.
A
Okay
and
thank
you
and
with
that,
can
we
agree
the
recommendations
of
the
report,
noting
the
comments
that
have
been
made
and.
A
Okay,
thank
you
move
on
to
item
10,
which
comes
under
my
portfolio,
which
is
the
update
on
on
where
we
are
with
the
kovic
1919
situation.
Obviously,
we
brought
this
as
a
late
paper
to
try
and
get
as
close
to
the
situation
as
we
could
to
discuss
matters
today.
A
All
I
can
say
is
looking
at
what
has
happened
since
we
brought
this
paper
into
the
public
domain.
It
is
really
a
very
fast-moving
situation.
I
think
I
want
to
start
by
referencing
our
real
appreciation
and
support
for
the
work
that
officers
right
across
the
council,
linking
with
all
of
our
partners
around
the
city,
have
continued
to
do
over
the
last
few
months.
A
I
think
the
last
update
was
in
july
and
we
were
in
a
very,
very
different
place
there
with
the
economy
starting
to
reopen
and
various
relaxations
coming
forward
and,
as
we
know,
we've
moved
forward
now
significantly
to
an
a
time
of
of
real
concern,
nationally
led
from
westminster
in
terms
of
the
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in
across
the
country,
and
the
situation
has
been
changing
in
leeds
and,
as
you
know,
on
september
the
4th
we
became
an
area
of
concern
due
to
the
levels
of
infection
that
we
were
recording
and
we
moved
on
from
that.
A
A
week
later,
to
last
week
where
we
became
an
area
of
enhanced
support
and,
of
course,
we're
background
to
that
day
of
the
week,
which
is
a
thursday
where
the
national
meeting
of
all
of
the
experts
comes
together
and
looks
right
across
the
country
and
makes
an
assessment
of
where
all
the
different
local
authorities
actually
are
in
terms
of
the
cases
coming
through
and
typically
after
the
meeting
on
a
thursday
we've
been
getting
the
results
and
the
outcome
and
the
implications
of
of
the
the
meeting
on
on
about
24
hours
later.
A
I
think
it's
it's
fair
to
say
that
our
numbers
have
have
been
increasing,
but
it
is
a
very
different
picture
to
that
of
a
few
months
ago
in
terms
of
the
spread
of
the
infection
across
the
city,
the
demography,
the
age
groups,
much
younger
age
groups,
and
of
course,
we
know
that
september
is
was
always
going
to
be
a
difficult
time
for
the
country
with
everyone
coming
back
after
the
summer,
and
obviously,
schools
fully
reopening
and
colleges
and
then,
of
course,
the
arrival
of
students
coming
into
the
university
citizens
house
from
all
different
parts
of
the
country.
A
If
not
beyond.
A
So
so
we,
the
report
lays
out
all
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing.
We
have
to
reference
every
single
time
that
we
talk
about
covid,
the
the
financial
challenge
that
we're
facing
as
a
city
as
a
result
of
the
impacts
of
covid
on
our
fees,
charges,
our
income
and
the
services
that
that
we
deliver,
I'm
sure
you'll
all
have
looked
at
the
infographics,
though,
and
recognized
the
extraordinary
extent
of
the
work
that
has
continued
to
take
place.
A
Our
our
local
outbreak
board
has
has
really
done
some
excellent
work.
A
We
have
had
many
intensive
meetings
with
different
settings
with
the
business
community
with
the
voluntary
and
community
sector
and,
as
you
would
expect,
very
detailed
discussions
with
all
of
our
education
settings
and
right
from
the
zoo
meetings
with
head
teachers
through
to
the
meetings
with
the
vice
chancellors
and
of
the
principals
of
the
colleges,
it's
fair
to
say,
the
the
challenges
that
remain
are
enormous
and
we
you
know,
depending
on
where
we
want
to
go,
we
we
could
talk
at
length
about
the
situation
around
testing
across
the
city
and
the
asks
we
have
of
government
in
terms
of
and
in
in
tandem
with
local
authorities
right
across
the
country
that
you
know,
we
have
the
expertise
locally
through
our
public
health
departments,
our
environmental
health
departments,
to
do
far
more
of
the
work
locally
than
we
are
being
unable
to
do,
and
I
think
that
is
a
huge
regret
for
all
of
us.
A
We
know
just
how
first
class
the
work
on
the
ground
can
be
if
we're
given
the
resources
and
the
powers
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
A
We'll
continue
to
make
that
case
for
for
to
enable
us
to
do
a
proper
job
without
having
so
often
to
rely
on
national
programs
that
quite
honestly,
have
been
have
left
us
all
feeling
that
there
is
so
much
more
that
could
have
been
could
have
been
done,
but
things
have
changed,
as
I
say
dramatically
since
the
paper
was
produced,
and
we
now
have
the
you
know,
moving
through
the
the
rule
of
six
being
rolled
out
the
and
the
new
regulation,
the
new
regulations
around
hospitality,
leisure
and
tourism,
and
expectations
on
the
all
the
establishments
to
retain
details
of
customers.
A
A
We
had
a
call
come
through
last
saturday
afternoon
and
to
go
on
with
the
call
with
the
secretary
of
state
for
health
around
a
decision
to
actually
respond
to
something.
We've
been
asking
for
right.
The
way
through
this
to
for
additional
financial
support
for
people
for
those
people
who
are
asked
to
self-isolate
who
struggle
to
do
so
because
of
their
financial
situation
and
so
a
500
pound
support
payment
for
people
on
low
incomes,
I
think,
is,
is
to
be
be
welcomed.
A
And,
of
course,
there
is
further
enforcement
in
place.
These
more
of
these
regulations
have
been
put
into
law,
which
gives
the
police
the
the
powers
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
issue
the
fines
that
are
available
to
them.
They
are
making
a
very
strong
case
for
more
resource
on
the
ground
to
enable
them
to
do
this
effectively.
A
So,
obviously,
we
had
the
statement
on
tuesday
and,
as
of
today,
thursday,
the
24th
of
september
hospitality
venues
must
only
offer
table
service
closing
at
10
p.m,
plus
takeaway,
which
can
continue
after
the
10
o'clock
and
we're
seeing
an
extension
of
the
face
covering
requirements
now
being
extended
to
all
staff
in
retail
settings.
A
Taxi
and
private
hi
hire
passengers
and
staff
and
customers
in
hospitality
venues,
except
when
seated
at
a
table,
and
as
I've
said
it
is
the
the
fact
that
the
this
has
become
legal
obligations,
backed
by
enforcement,
action
and
fines,
which
has
seen
a
real
step
change
and
from
next
monday
the
number
of
people
can
attend.
A
wedding
ceremony
or
a
reception
will
be
reduced
to
15,
while
funerals
still
remain
at
the
max.
A
maximum
of
30.
A
So
I
think
that
there's
you
know,
obviously
we've
been
keeping
members
of
council
and
our
mps
briefed
as
much
as
we
can
with
these
changes,
and
I
know
that
everyone
has
appreciated
and
the
extent
of
the
detail
that
we've
been
putting
out
to
people
the
sobering
aspect
of
of
these
changes.
This
week
has
been
the
recognition
from
government
that
these
changes
are
expected
to
be
required
to
be
in
place
until
next
march
at
the
earliest.
A
Today,
of
course,
we've
seen
the
the
launch
of
the
the
the
the
nhs
app
and
there's
been
the
sort
of
comms
alongside
that
to
try
and
promote
people
who
have
the
right
equipment
to
be
to
download
the
app
so
that
we
can,
which
will
assist
everyone
in
in
the
tracing
elements
and
reaching
people
far
more
quickly
and
to
let
them
know
if
they
have
been
in
close
contact
with
someone
who's
tested
positive.
A
It
also
enables
people
who
have
the
app
to
register
their
information
when
they
go
into
premises
using
the
qr
code,
and
so
massive
changes
happening
all
the
time
and
what
we
haven't
had
chance
to
absorb
or
consider
at
this
meeting
is
the
fact
that,
of
course,
the
chancellor
has
been
on
his
feet
today,
announcing
significant
changes
to
and
extensions
to,
this
support
to
businesses
and
following
his
decision
to
suspend
the
autumn
budget
so
that
he
can
focus
on
the
profound
impact
of
the
virus
on
our
economy.
A
We
will,
of
course,
one
as
soon
as
we
are
able
inform
everyone
and
what
the
the
outcome
of
the
decision
by
government
at
today's
meeting
and
what
that
will
will
mean
for
the
people
of
leeds,
and
we
obviously
work
very
closely
with
our
partner
authorities
across
west
yorkshire
and
beyond,
and
we're
in
very
close
contact
with
colleagues
in
areas
that
have
had
further
restrictions
in
place
for
some
time.
A
And
what
we
want
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
we
listen
to
their
experience
and
that
we
learn
from
it
and
that
we
move
forward
with
measures
coming
in
based
on
evidence
of
what
actually
works
to
reduce
the
spread
of
this
disease.
What
we
are
the
place
we're
at
is
reinforcing
what
we've
been
saying
all
the
way
through
this.
A
Until
we
have
a
vaccine,
we
have
to
learn
to
live
with
the
virus,
and
that
is
why
every
single
opportunity,
we
emphasize
the
responsibility
of
every
single
individual
person
to
follow
the
strictly
the
the
guidance
that
has
been
given
to
them
in
terms
of
keeping
social
distance
wearing
face
coverings,
where
appropriate,
washing
hands
and
using
sanitizer
regularly
and
complying
with
the
requirements
to
self-isolate.
A
We
know
that
we
are
given
regular
updates
of
the
cases
that
come
are
coming
through
in
our
educational
settings,
and
I
really
do
want
to
pay
tribute
to
all
of
the
staff
in
our
schools
who
are
really
doing
an
extraordinary
job
in
managing
the
situation
and
that
they're
facing
and
to
everyone
across
leeds
for
their
patients
and
to
those
who
are
really
are
complying
with
the
regulations
in
the
real
hope
that
they
will
keep
themselves
and
their
families
and
friends
safe,
but
also
make
sure
that
the
spread
around
the
communities
is
reduced.
A
So,
with
that
I'll
I'll
hand
over
to
tom,
who
will
give
us
any
further
information
that,
as
he
is
able
to
do
so?
And
but
if
I
can
just
thank
all
of
you
on
executive
board
for
your
support
and
the
work
that
you're
doing-
and
I
know
the
directors
pass
on
regularly
our
thanks
to
all
of
our
officers
for
the
work
that
they're
doing,
we
will
require
the
level
of
commitment
we've
seen
over
the
last
six
months
to
be
equal
to
that
in
the
six
months
going
forward.
A
J
And
thanks
leader
I'll,
I
you've
summed
it
up
extremely
well
and
I'll.
Just
maybe
focus
on
the
the
latest
numbers
show
that
we
were
in
the
late
80s
per
100
000
cases.
J
We
expect
that
to
continue
to
rise
with
the
increasing
trends
that
we've
seen
across
the
country
and
across
the
north
in
particular,
and
as
council
blake
said,
we
have
been
in
diff
the
different
tiers
of
of
the
watch
list,
the
government
watch
list
and
unless
something
dramatic
happens,
I
think
we
would
expect
to
continue
to
rise
up
those
tiers.
J
But
we'll
hear
more
tomorrow
about
that
and
we'll
be
able
to
communicate
that
directly
to
all
partners
and
to
to
to
the
city
and
the
media.
Then
we
just
to
all
I
would
finish
on
and
to
to
reinforce
what
council
black
said
is
to
just
say
the
work
that
victoria
eaton,
our
director
of
public
health
and
her
team
are
doing
with
our
partners
to
keep
the
cases
from
turning
into
outbreaks
is
extremely
intensive
and
extremely
important
and
and
he's
making
a
real
difference.
J
Even
though
the
rates
are
going
up,
we
aren't
seeing
the
rates
rising
as
highly
and
as
quickly
in
terms
of
trend
and
other.
You
know.
Other
parts
of
the
country
and
part
of
that
reason,
I
think,
is
because
of
the
work
we're
doing
with
the
schools,
where
we
have
clearly
lots
of
cases
in
the
schools
and
collapsing
of
bubbles,
and
we
have
several.
J
You
know:
groups
of
schools
who
are
having
to
do
that
and
sending
pupils
and
and
staff
home
to
self-isolate,
but
the
the
vast
majority
of
students
in
the
city
are
still
able
to
go
to
school
at
the
moment,
which
is
the
main,
the
main
outcome
that
we're
looking
for.
Similarly
in
care
homes
just
to
to
commend
the
work
of
the
the
team
in
social
care,
adult
social
care
and
the
nhs
working
together
very
much
in
hospital
settings.
J
But
in
the
care
homes
we
have,
we
have
got
asymptomatic
spread
of
cases,
but
it
is.
It
has
been
stabilized
by
the
work,
the
intensive
infection,
protection
control
and
barrier
work
that
goes
on
with
with
kath
and
her
team
and
and
it's
a
similar
story
in
workplaces
as
well,
where
the
business
community
have
been
very
proactive
working
very
well
with
us
and
we've
managed
to
contain
those
outbreaks.
But
the
cases
are
continuing
to
go
up.
J
They
will
our
our
numbers
will
continue
to
rise,
and
we
will
hear
more
tomorrow
about
whether
we
will
enter
into
further
restrictions
and
we
we
we
will
leave
it
there.
The
app
is
a
real
opportunity
for
us,
with
our
hospitality
sector,
in
particular,
to
get
the
get
our
systems
in
place
ready
for
the
winter,
so
that
we
can
have
a
a
winter
where
we
do
have
to
live
with
the
virus.
J
But
we
can
keep
our
hospitality
sector
open
and
be
a
crucial
route
for
people
to
you
know
to
to
go
out
and
to
to
still
live
their
lives
and-
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
very
important
for
us
in
this
next
phase
and
the
the
use
of
the
qr
codes,
the
use
of
the
app.
If
more
and
more
people
can
take
it
up,
it
will
make
us
a
safer
city,
so
we're
appealing
for
that
today,
but
I'll
leave
it
there.
Councillor
blake.
E
Thank
you
thanks.
I
just
was
urged
that
I
was
moved
to
come
in
after
that
report
from
from
myself
and
tom,
because
we're
really,
I
just
wanted
to
update
that,
whilst
care
home
cases
have
been
rising,
that
we
got
them
down
to
zero
care
homes,
eventually
having
gone
very
high
in
the
first
phase
and
following
quite
a
lot
of
democratic
pressure.
E
We've
now
got
that
back
down
to
10.,
so
I
think
that's
really
really
encouraging
to
see
and
I'd
like
to
thank
the
teams
for
all
the
work
on
that
and
we
need
to
keep
them
protected
practically
from
from
from
infections
both
from
hospital
discharge,
but
also
from
visitors
and
from
you
know,
staff
coming
in
and
out
so
we've
I've
written
to
the
minister
ministers
in
the
department
for
health
and
social
care
this
week
to
ask
them
to
consider
allowing
family
members
or
loved
ones
to
be
included
in
whole
home
testing
regimes
so
that
they
can
be
seen
as
key
parts
of
the
of
those
of
the
service
users
lives
so
that
they
can
continue
to
have
their
visitors
through
the
winter,
because
it's
a
human
rights
issue
and
it's
incredibly
distressing
for
people
not
to
be
able
to
see
family
and
friends.
E
A
Thank
you.
It
also
goes
without
saying
that
we're
keeping
in
regular
contact
with
all
of
our
health
colleagues
and
keeping
a
very
close
eye
on,
obviously
the
admissions
into
hospital
and
the
numbers
in
intensive
care
and,
of
course,
sadly,
the
the
the
deaths
that
occur
across
the
city.
I'll
ask
councillor
carter
and
galton
to
comment,
and
then
perhaps
victoria
might
like
to
say
something
after
that:
council
gold
carter.
If
you
want
to
come
in.
C
C
I
think
it
is
right
that
we
should
be
all
saying
with
one
voice.
This
now
is
another
six
months
program.
C
C
That
who
knows
what
will
have
happened
by
tomorrow.
It
makes
it
difficult
for
government,
it
makes
it
difficult
for
the
council
and
as
more
and
more
responsibility
falls
on
us,
which
is
probably
right.
The
more
likelihood
there
is
that
we
too
will
make
a
series
of
mistakes.
So
when
we
start
passing
the
blame
culture,
we
need
to
just
be
careful.
C
Containment
has
to
be
the
way-
and
I'm
I'm
sure-
and
I
agree
with
you
here-
that
the
more
we
can
do
locally,
the
better
it
brings
with
it
even
more
added
responsibility
and
the
need
to
act
with
speed
will
be
paramount.
C
That
I
listened
with
great
care
to
the
chancellor's
statement
and
difficult
without
the
background
papers
to
go
with
it.
But
it's
clearly
multi-multi-billion
pound
spending
again
to
protect
jobs,
protect
livelihoods,
protect
businesses,
quite
right
in
my
view,
but
don't
let
any
of
us
skip
down
the
road
thinking
that
this
will
not
have
to
be
paid
back
because,
of
course
it
will,
but
the
chancellor's
right
to
have
cancelled
the
budget
in
november.
C
The
job
now
is
to
get
on
with
the
here
and
now
and
the
and
the
changing
circumstances
that
we
face
day
in
and
day
out
and
the
message
we
need
to
give
clear
messages
to
our
constituents
and
one
clear
message
we
particularly
need
to
give
is
that
where
establishments
quite
clearly
have
not-
and
therefore
probably
will
not
stick
to
the
rules-
that
the
authority
will
take
timely
action,
what
I
think
we're
seeing
if
you
look
at
the
map
now
look
at
where
the
outbreaks
are
a
lot
of
them
now
are
clearly
family
orientated
or
multi-family
orientated.
C
So
we
need
to
keep
a
close
eye
on
that,
but
also
there's
the
issue.
That's
been
prevalent
amongst
younger
people
who
and
I'm
not
dishing
out
blame.
C
We
were
all
young
ones,
perhaps
they've
not
taken
as
much
notice
as
they
should
have
of
the
social
distancing
rules,
and
the
message
to
them
is
very
clear:
they
may
get
away
with
a
cough
and
a
cold
and
a
sneeze
their
parents
might
not,
and
their
grandparents
certainly
would
not,
and
the
message
has
to
be
clear
and
the
same
from
all
of
us,
but
we
are
going
to
have
to
face
up
to
some
pretty
difficult
decisions
in
every
direction
over
these
past
six
months,
but
I'm
confident
that
there's
been
this
last
couple
of
weeks,
as
things
have
clearly
got
worse.
C
There
has
been
an
interesting,
I
think,
changing
attitude
to
one
of
determination
to
have
to
do
the
right
thing
and
that's
going
to
be
most
important,
because
unless
we
all
do,
as
we
are
told
by
the
science,
by
the
government
or
by
the
council,
we
are
not
going
to
get
a
grip
of
this
virus.
It
will
be
with
us
for
far
too
long
and
a
lot
longer
than
it
need
be,
and
let's
hope
that
we
get
a
vaccine
sooner
rather
than
later.
Now.
I
may
well
come
back
shortly,
but
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
D
Thanks
chair,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
it's
it's
a
huge
task
across
the
city
to
deal
with
the
virus,
but
there
are
some
areas
which
are
particularly
salient
at
the
moment,
and
I
think
it
will
be
useful
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
council
is
progressing
with
it.
So
the
the
temp
pm
curfew
for
smaller
businesses
has,
of
course,
now
coincided
with
a
further
expectation
of
people
to
work
from
home.
D
So
there
would
be
an
expectation
that
city
centre
hospitality
in
particular,
is
the
one
that's
feeling
the
most
immediately
impacted
and
of
course
I
know
that
the
city
center
businesses
a
lot
of
them
if
they're
in
retail,
would
expect
to
make
50
of
their
income
for
the
year
during
the
christmas
period
and
and-
and
I
think
it's
useful
to
complement
what
the
government
will
be
doing.
D
We
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
be
doing
yet,
but
as
councilor
carter
is
assured,
as
it
will
be
substantial,
I
think
we
can
play
our
part
as
a
city
in
saying
to
these
people
we
are
listening
and
creating
a
platform
for
that
kind
of
information
to
come
back.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
already
been
established
through
the
business
improvement
district
or
through
the
chamber
of
commerce,
but
I
think
that
would
be
useful
to
understand,
and
I
appreciate
it's
ironic-
that
for
once,
I'm
sticking
up
for
the
city
centre
as
opposed
to
community
centers.
D
But-
and
the
second
thing
of
course,
is
the
number
of
students
that
are
coming
to
our
city
and
I
notice
in
the
covered
report.
I
think
it's
3.14
that
there's
something
around
spreading
information
around
the
headingley
and
woodhouse
districts.
D
If
there
are
restrictions
around
family
units
and
whatever
a
lot
of
them,
could
find
themselves
far
away
from
home
in
isolation,
and
do
we
have
that
pastoral
element
being
developed
as
well?
In
anticipation
of
the
fact
that,
even
if
younger
people
don't
tend
to
have
physical
repercussions
from
covid,
they
can
certainly
very
much
be
affected
by
the
mental
health
aspect.
K
Thank
you,
council
blake,
I
mean
a
lot's
already
been
said,
so
I
I
won't
repeat
any
of
that.
I
mean
I.
I
guess
that
the
combination
of
local
action
and
and
the
national
position
just
emphasizes
what
a
critical
point
this
this.
This
really
is,
and
obviously,
unlike
going
up
the
the
the
first
wave
where
you
know,
we
were
predominantly
focused
on
covid
at
the
expense
of
other
things,
it's
obviously
much
harder
to
do
that:
balancing
act
with
the
economy
and
broader
health
and
well-being
that
people
have
described.
K
I
suppose
there's
two
points
in
terms
of
how
we're
wanting
to
approach
the
next
phase.
K
One
of
the
things
is
that
we
we
want
to
continue
doing
locally,
that
the
things
that
we
know
make
the
most
difference
and
some
of
those
things
have
already
been
described
in
terms
of
the
the
the
work
with
settings
like
care,
homes
and
schools,
for
example,
and
workplaces.
K
And
but
we
know,
for
example,
that
when
we
get
on
the
ground
in
communities
with
with
high
numbers
of
cases
and
do
the
the
door
knocking
and
the
advice
and
support
and
the
local
testing
that
we
did
early
days
in
kirksteel
and
hair
hills,
that
that
turns
around
cases
and
that
that's
the
experience
and
the
learning
that
we're
also
hearing
from
other
areas
that
actually
it's
that
pretty
intensive
work
with
communities
that
that
is,
is
it's
very
resource
intensive.
But
it
does
give
good
outcomes.
K
The
the
other
issue
is
with
all
the
talk
of
restrictions,
I'm
very
mindful
that
that
it
feels
you
enter
a
negative
place
of
things
that
people
can't
do
rather
than
things
they
can
and
also
it
the
things
that
we
know
make
a
difference.
All
of
the
basics
around
distancing
hand,
hygiene
and
mask
wearing,
and
you
know
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
balance
is
struck
with
the
the
message
as
we
enter
more
more
restrictions.
K
K
So
our
our
leads
approach
is
very
much
about
making
sure
that
we
keep
that,
as
as
as
balanced
with
people's
broader
health
and
well-being
as
possible
and
recognizing
the
ethical
issues
that
throws
up.
I
think
the
university
students
returning
home
is
one
of
them
and
the
support
they
will
need
around
that,
if
that
is
the
case,
is
a
very
good
example
and
care
home
visiting
is
the
other
key
example
of
where
we
really
want
to
drive
a
more
ethical
approach
and
supportive
approach
to
people's
broader
health
and
I'll.
K
Just
I'll
just
finish
by
saying
that
the
balancing
act
that
we're
having
to
to
try
to
achieve
is
also
playing
out
really
locally
in
in
our
calls
on
resources.
So
because
we're
in
the
position,
where
not
everybody
who
who
needs
a
test
can
get
one.
K
At
the
moment,
we've
deployed
our
local
additional
testing
capacity
to
support
key
worker
testing
and
and
families
of
key
worker
testing,
because
that
would
seem
to
be
the
biggest
pressure
on
the
city
in
order
to
keep
it
to
keep
things
going
and
and
that
that's
meant
that
testing
in
leeds
has
been
much
better
relatively
than
other
places
and
our
testing
rate
is
is
still
higher
than
the
regional
average.
K
And
what
it
does
mean,
though,
is
that
we
can't
mobilize
that
testing
capacity
into
our
local
communities,
where
we
want
to
do
that
out
on
the
ground
work,
so
we're
having
to
make
those
calls
all
the
time.
So
we'll
we'll
we'll
continue
to
try
to
build
our
local
ability
to
do
to
to
respond
and
do
more
of
those
things
and
increase
the
capacity
locally
to
meet
that
demand.
A
Thank
you
and
victoria
and,
as
always,
thank
you
to
you
and
your
team
for
all
the
work.
You're
doing-
and
I
know
you'll
pass
our
thanks
back.
So
I'm
going
to
draw
this
item
to
a
close.
A
We
have
some
important
papers
to
move
on
to
as
well,
which
are
related
to
this,
and
I
just
want
to
draw
all
of
your
attention
to
the
latest
ifs
report
that
has
literally
just
come
out
in
the
last
24
hours,
which
lays
out
very
starkly
the
enormous
financial
challenge
that
is
facing
local
governments
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
And
we
all
do
remember
the
assurances
at
the
beginning
that
from
the
government
that
you
know
we
would
be
recompensed.
A
We
would
not
to
worry
about
the
money
and
that
it
would
be
available
to
us
and
we
have
received
praise
and
thanks
from
across
the
front
bench
and
governments
recognizing
that
we
wouldn't
be
in
the
position.
We
are
now
without
the
incredible
work
that
our
frontline
workers
have
done,
and
I
think
I
hope
we
can
count
on
cross-party
support
from
this
council
and
to
continue
our
conversations.
A
Our
dialogue,
explaining
exactly
what
the
the
impact
is
and
particularly
with
regard
to
income,
which
seems
to
have
escaped
some
notice
of
some
people
who
are
looking
at
this
situation.
For
us.
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
finances
in
the
in
under
councillor
lewis's
portfolio,
but
it's
across
public
services
as
well,
and
just
the
recognition.
A
That's
come
through
the
pandemic
of
the
extraordinary
work
that
people
do
on
the
front
line,
often
from
some
of
our
lowest
paid
workers,
and
you
know,
and
we're
so
dependent
on
them
being
able
to
do
the
work
that
they
do
and
stuart
they.
They
they.
Their
welfare
of
students
is
very
much
on
the
mind
of
of
all
of
the
educational
providers
and
we're
working
with
them
to
make
sure
the
voice
of
young
people
comes
through.
A
So
they
can
actually
do
the
messaging
themselves
in
a
way
that
they'll
get
through
and
don't
forget
it's
not
just
about
students
who
come
to
lead.
It's
about
our
young
people
who
are
going
all
over
the
country
to
university
as
well,
and
obviously
the
comments
about
them
christmas
was
it
today
or
yesterday
were,
must
have
been
quite
concerning.
I
think,
but
you
know,
but
put
it
how
you
want.
A
The
confusion
on
the
message,
the
lack
of
consistency,
the
regularly
changing
instructions
has
led
to
to
so
many
people,
just
not
being
clear
about
what
it
is.
They're
supposed
to
do,
and
I
think
we
all
have
a
duty
to
work
together
to
point
out
where
there
are
those
shortcomings
and
to
make
sure
that
we
can
at
least
get
our
messaging
absolutely
clear
without
interference,
because
we
know
our
communities.
A
L
You
thank
you
leader
and
we're
moving
on
to
the
papers
on
my
portfolio,
the
first
for
which
are,
as
you
introduced
it
directly
about
the
council's
financial
position
in
the
years
ahead.
The
first
paper
is
item
11,
the
financial
health
monitoring
report
month.
L
Four
for
this
financial
year,
which
sets
out
the
position
we
have
found
ourselves
in
as
a
council
this
year
in
terms
of
managing
the
budget
and
also
the
impact
of
covered
19
on
our
budget
and
as
as
the
opening
bullet
points
show.
Clearly,
the
impact
has
been
measured
in
hundreds
of
millions
mitigated
by
some
government
grant
support,
but
still
leaving
us
a
funding
gap
of
52.5
million
across
the
year.
L
We
are
in
discussion
with
the
government
about
how
we
manage
that
funding
gap,
and
can
I
suggest
that
we
ask
victoria
bradshaw
to
update
executive
board
on
those
discussions
later.
I
Thank
you,
leader.
We've
we
sent
the
final
amounts
of
information
through
to
mhclg
last
week
and
they're
going
through
now
considering
whether
they
require
any
further
information
before
they
go
to
treasury.
For
their
discussions,
we've
been
told
that
we
should
get
the
outcome
of
those
discussions
around
any
support
that
they
can
provide
us
for
this
financial
year
by
mid-october
and
following
the
outcome
of
those
discussions,
we'll
know
whether
we'll
be
we'll
need
to
bring
any
action
through
an
emergency
budget
if
that
support
isn't
forthcoming
from
next
financial
year.
I
So
the
outcome
is
that
we're
waiting
for
that
decision
that
we
should
get
in
mid-october.
Thank
you,
leader,.
A
Okay,
councillor
carter.
C
C
The
next
number
of
items
make
interesting
and
difficult
reading,
but
they
are
incomplete
and
I
accept
that
they
have
to
be
incomplete
because
we
don't
know,
we
don't
know
where
we're
going
to
end
up.
First
of
all,
we
don't
know
how
much
extra
funding
we'll
get
from
the
government.
C
Interesting
part
of
the
chancellor's
statement
today
was
about
loss
of
income
for
businesses,
and
I
wonder
whether,
when
we
drill
down
into
that,
there's,
there's
perhaps
a
way
in
which
we
can
approach
the
chancellor
as
regards
our
lack
our
loss
of
income
as
a
trading
entity,
because,
as
as
a
council,
we
are
a
trade,
a
trading
entity
as
as
are
a
lot
of
most
businesses
and-
and
there
may
be
an
opportunity
there
to
to
speak
again
about
support
on
the
basis
of
loss
of
income
which,
as
we
can
see
from
this
paper
and
and
what's
predicted,
is,
is
considerable.
C
So
that's
something
we
need
to
have
a
look
at
can
can
victoria
explain
to
me
what
part
of
the
deficit
that
we're
looking
at
for
this
year
is
still
related
to
the
minimum
revenue
provision
steps
we
had
to
take
and
what
part
of
it
is
down
to
the
effects
of
of
kovid
I'd
like
to
have
that
split.
Please.
I
Yes,
counselor,
yes,
council
blake,
the
the
split
we
have.
We
are
assuming
that
it's
due
to
capital
receipt
losses,
which
is
28
million,
which
is
within
that
52,
and
a
half
million
figure
of
the
deficit
that
would
have
been
used
to
fund
the
minimum
revenue
provision
for
the
council,
so
that
is
adding
to
the
pressure
that
we're
currently
experiencing,
but
that
that
is
due
to
us
the
economy
and
not
being
able
to
realize
those
asset
sales
at
the
moment
as
well.
C
Yes,
well,
it
may
well
be
that
it's
due
to
the
economy,
but
it's
due
to
the
decisions
that
were
taken
by
the
administration
over
the
past
10
years.
C
So
I'm
not
sure
how
we
argue
with
government
that,
over
and
above
the
obvious
effects
of
covered
and
the
need
to
to
finance,
give
us
extra
finance
to
cope
with
those.
How
we
also
then
say:
oh
by
the
way
we
have
another
bit
of
a
problem
which
actually
is
out
of
our
making.
Will
you
help
finance
that
as
well?
C
That's
an
interesting
balancing
act
which
no
doubt
we
will
have
to
try
and
and
persuade
the
treasury
to
deal
with,
I'm
not
sure
who,
when
the
administration
is
in
a
a
very
good
position
to
do
that
really,
nevertheless,
we'll
have
to
we'll
have
to
try.
C
I
have
more
comments
to
make
on
the
following
papers,
but,
as
I
must
say,
the
key
to
all
this
is
that
we
have
a
whole
string
of
papers,
all
of
which
take
us
part,
the
way
down
a
journey,
and
here
I'm
not
being
unduly
critical.
I
don't
see
until
we
see
the
full
picture.
None
of
us
are
in
a
position
to
really
comment
on
how
we
would
have
done
things
differently,
and
that
is
going
to
come
in
october
and
november.
L
Just
to
deal
with
a
number
of
the
issues,
councillor
carter's
right
and
again,
to
remind
him
an
exact
board
that
we
set
a
balanced
budget
this
february,
including
all
the
factors
that
all
the
factors
that
needed
to
be
taken
into
consideration
in
managing
the
budget
this
year.
L
Certainly
every
every
time
we
set
a
budget,
we've
delivered
it
in
the
year,
and
I
think
that
will
give
us
a
really
strong
case
to
take
to
the
government
further
going
back
to
july
2019,
which
seems
a
lifetime
ago
when
we
set
the
previous
medium
term
financial
strategy.
We've
come
on
to
the
current
one.
Many
of
the
factors
council
carter
refers
to
reflected
in
there
and
our
planning
approach
to
dealing
with
it.
L
So
I
am
confident
that,
in
terms
of
negotiating
with
the
government,
we
can
demonstrate
a
track
record
of
delivering
budgets
that
we
set
and
again
recognizing
in
the
medium-term
financial
strategy
that
we
saw
and
the
projections
going
forward,
and
we
had
a
plan
to
deal
with
them.
We
all
recognize,
as
as
council
carter
as
council
carter
said
earlier,
that
there
has
been
huge
changes
over
recent
months
in
terms
of
both
the
national
financial
position
and
our
financial
position.
L
That
is
a
that
is
the
basis
of
our
negotiations.
L
Having
said
all
that,
we
as
an
administration
have
never
accepted
that
in
10
years
and
and
again,
I
think
that
the
bit
that
was
missing
from
council
carter's
contribution
that
we've
had
by
the
end
of
next
year,
we'll
have
had
two
billion
of
government
grant
taken
away
from
us
over
the
period
of
austerity.
That's
a
reduction
now
of
266
million
per
year
on
the
position
we
were
in.
We've
always
had
to
budget
in
that
context,
but
but
that's
the
position.
L
We're
in
council
carter
also
referred
to
how
we
can
see
whether
people
would
have
done
things
differently.
Certainly,
on
the
issue
of
minimum
revenue
provision,
we
can
see
the
opposition
amendments
that
came
in
the
opposition.
Never
provided
an
alternative
strategy
to
minimum
revenue
position,
never
allocated
money
from
frontline
services
into
reserves,
never
suggest
an
alternative
strategy.
L
I
do
remember
the
suggestion
that
was
made
and
I
believe
it
was
made
in
a
constructive
sense
in
in
one
budget.
Amendment
was
the
one
that
you
raised
yourself,
councillor
carter,
which
was
asset
sales
and
again
we
recognize
this
is
a
very
difficult
market
to
realize
asset
sales
in,
although
we'll
continue
to
do
that
where
we
are.
L
I
do
think,
though,
and
I
think
this
is
an
important
point-
that
we
all
need
to
recognize
in
terms
of
the
extraordinary
position
both
the
country
and
ourselves
find
ourselves
in
that
with
any
negotiation
with
the
government.
They
will
want
to
see
that
we
recognize
the
gravity
of
the
position,
we're
in
the
need
that
we
do
need
to
take
changes
to
the
council's
financial
plans
moving
forward.
L
We
recognize
that
changes
need
to
be
made,
and
some
of
the
subsequent
papers
start
to
start
that
work,
and
I
wouldn't
want
anybody
leaving
this
meeting,
not
to
think
that
we
don't
recognize
the
need
to
assure
government,
as
we
ask
them,
for
an
extraordinary
circumstances
for
support
to
fill
up
a
budget
gap
that
we
do
also
need
to
change
the
way
we
work.
D
Thanks
chair
yeah,
in
terms
of
that
element
of
credibility
to
central
government,
I
appreciate
that
council
carter
makes
a
point
that
central
government
need
to
have
confidence
in
the
case
that
we
put
in
terms
of
recompensing
us
for
income
that
we
simply
haven't
got
due
to
circumstances
which
are
beyond
our
control.
D
D
But
I
do
also
think
it's
a
bit
rich
for
councillor
lewis
to
go
on
about
how
we're
the
most
amazing
authority
we've
balanced
our
books
each
year
when
actually,
the
vast
majority
of
local
councils
balance
their
books
eventually
each
year,
but
most
of
them
do
it,
because
they
rob
peter
to
pay
paul
within
departments,
and
actually
some
of
the
detail
in
later
papers
points
out
some
of
those
hidden
contingencies.
D
That
departments
depended
upon
to
compensate
for
some
of
their
weak
financial
management
internally
and
now
they
are
having
to
be
used
as
a
very
last
contingency
now
saying
all
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
would
hope
that
the
government
doesn't
spend
some
hugely
forensic
exercise
to
determine
and
try
and
understand
what
is
covid
related
and
what
is
something
that
would
have
been
lost
anyway,
because
it's
a
bit
like
trying
to
understand
how
a
company
has
failed.
Is
it
because
of
brexit
or
is
it
because
of
covid?
D
It
doesn't
matter
the
company
is
under
pressure
and
needs
to
have
support,
and
the
same
is
true
of
the
engine,
which
is
the
city
council
in
terms
of
keeping
our
city
running,
and
I
hope
that
the
chancellor
will
look
as
holistically
at
what
the
council
offer
as
much
as
it
does
in
terms
of
us
as
a
reputable
financial
organization.
L
Yes,
thank
you.
Councillor
blake,
I'm
interested
in
some
of
councillor
galton's
comments
around
the
way
you've
tried
to
run
the
council
over
on
the
years
and
again
I'd
reflect
when
I
quoted
the
figure
of
266
million
reduction
in
the
budget.
The
first
181
million
of
that
came
out
when
the
liberal
democrats
are
in
government.
So
again,
I
think
there
has
to
be
some
recognition
about
why
the
council
is
in
the
position.
L
We
are
in
terms
of
the
overall
amounts
of
money
available
and
again
I
underlined
the
point
we
know.
Given
the
circumstances
we're
in
now,
just
saying
things
have
been
terrible
in
the
past:
aren't
going
to
get
us
through
it
and
we
will
take
the
steps
that
are
needed,
but
I
will
do
feel
it.
It's
quite
right
to
remind
people
of
the
history
of
where
we
are.
C
C
Well,
be
careful
what
you
wish
for
just
to
go
back
to
council
lewis,
who
has
a
very
selective
memory.
He
is,
of
course,
quite
right
that,
when
we
entered
into
the
mrp
deal,
nobody
said
includes
us
and
includes
the
liberal
democrats.
C
C
But
my
goodness
me-
and
I
did
warn
you
where
we
were
going
with
this
you're-
very
ready
to
blame
the
government
for
any
banner
of
unforeseen
circumstances,
but
when
it
comes
to
ones
affecting
the
council,
it's
anybody's
fault.
But
yours,
sorry,
nobody
in
leeds
is
going
to
swallow
that
rubbish,
and
the
point
is
very
much
this-
that
when
you
go
to
government,
it
doesn't
need
a
forensic
exercise
to
see
precisely
who's
responsible.
For
what
and
that's
your
problem,
and
I
would
suggest
you
send
tom
and
victoria
to
do
the
negotiating.
L
And
again,
I
I
think
you
know
with
the
foresight
you
know.
Some
of
the
foresight
has
been
shown
by
the
opposition
groups
in
you
know
not
demonstrating
alternative
plans.
I
think
that's
got
us
where
we
are.
However,
I
was
very
clear
again
I'll
just
reiterate
this
at
this
point
for
the
benefit
of
executive
board.
L
Again
we
recognize
when
we
set
our
medium-term
financial
strategy
more
than
a
year
ago
about
the
steps
we
needed,
the
the
steps
we
needed
to
take
in
order
to
deal
with
all
the
factors
that
come
in
to
managing
the
council
budget
and
I'm.
I
am
confident
that
we
can
demonstrate
that
argument
and
again
by
some
of
the
actions
and
papers.
We're
bringing
today
demonstrate
our
response,
not
just
the
circumstances
of
12
months
ago,
but
to
the
circumstances
that
we
find
ourselves
in
now.
J
Yeah
just
to
I
think,
just
to
make
the
point
stay
out
of
the
the
the
debate
just
to
I
I
think
the
key
point
for
us
to
make
to
government
is
that
we
are.
J
What
we
are
asking
for
is
the
ability
to
spread
the
the
one-off
costs
of
cover
day
once
in
a
generation
or
lifetime,
or
you
know
whatever
you.
However,
you
describe
it
event
over
a
long
period
of
time,
in
the
same
way
that
the
rest
of
the
public
sector
is
able
to
do
because
of
the
government's
policy
towards
it
towards
itself
and
towards
the
the
rest
of
the
public
sector.
J
We're
not
asking
for
extra
money,
we're
asking
for
the
ability
to
spread
the
cost
over
a
period
of
years,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
are
best
folks
in
our
efforts,
and
hopefully
that's
where
we
can
get
that.
J
You
know
cross-party
agreement
that
that
would
be
a
good
solution
for
us
and
more
appropriate
than
having
to
deal
with
all
the
costs
in
a
single
year
or
two
years,
because
if
the
country
had
to
do
that,
then
then
it
would
be
in
the
same
position
as
us
that
it
wouldn't
be
possible
without
absolutely
swinging
cuts
to
lots
and
lots
of
different
different
elements
of
what
we
do.
J
So
that's
the
case
that
we're
making
we're
really
grateful
for
the
cross-party
support
for
that
position
and
we'll
continue
to
make
that
case
and
hopefully
we'll
work.
You
know
we'll
we'll
get
the
we'll
get
the
the
hearing
and
the
result
that
we
need
to
to
still
have
to
make
the
savings
that
are
set
out
in
the
u-turn
financial
strategy,
but
to
deal
with
the
one-off
costs
of
covid
and
spread
them
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
A
L
Medium
medium-term
financial
strategy,
which
again
as
I
refer
to
on
the
last
item,
we
last
updated
the
medium-term
financial
strategy
in
july
2019,
and
this
is
the
update
for
the
subsequent
five
years.
I
think
this
is
a
paper
that,
as
always,
when
we're
setting
a
medium-term
financial
strategy,
the
further
away
you
get
from
the
point
you
set
it.
The
higher
the
level
of
assumptions
are
around
income
and
spending,
but
I
think
there
are
some
very
clear
themes
in
this
paper.
L
Not
notwithstanding,
don't
go
back
over
the
last
debate
about
the
insurance
we
find
ourselves
in
now,
but
again
about
first
of
all,
the
continuing
and
increasing
pressures
on
council
spending,
so
we
see
a
a
rising
demographic,
demanding
predicted
in
adults
and
children,
social
care,
and
we
also
see
the
continuing
the
continuing
impact
of
changes
to
resources
coming
forward.
Again,
I
say
this
in
the
context
of
understanding
of
of
of
what
council
carter
and
other
members
have
said
about.
L
The
everybody's
focus
has
been
on
dealing
with
covid
and
the
recovery.
There
are
a
number
of
programmes
and
reviews.
The
government
have
been
intending
to
bring
forward
around
a
fair
funding
review
for
local
government
around
business
rates,
reform
around
adult
social
care,
green
paper,
looking
at
the
cost
of
social
care
and
again
a
budget
that
has
been
cancelled.
I
understand
the
spending
review
may
happen.
I
don't
wish
to
be
critical
about
those
not
necessarily
coming
forward
immediately.
L
However,
I
think,
overall,
it
reflects
the
fact
that
there
isn't
a
huge
amount
of
uncertainty
around
the
funding
basis
for
local
council
services.
I
think
that's
got
to
be
reflected
in
our
planning
moving
forward.
I
think
again,
the
challenge
we
face
when
we
come
on
to
that
in
the
next
paper
is
tackling
the
large
funding
gap
that
we
face
in
the
next
financial
year.
L
Again
I'll
reiterate
this-
that
we
recognized
for
for
some
time
that
we
needed
to
restructure
some
of
the
council's
budget
and
bring
measures
forward
to
do
that,
but
that
doesn't
contribute
for
nearly
some
of
that
that
doesn't
contribute
for
nearly
all
of
it
again,
which
is
reflecting
the
fact
that
the
impact
of
coved
continues
over
a
number
of
years,
and
we
will
have
to
respond
to
that.
C
C
He
knows,
I
said
to
him
some
time
ago
that
I
was
absolutely
prepared
to
support
us
being
treated
in
the
same
way
the
government
treats
itself,
and
so
I
I
have
no
problem
whatever,
and
indeed
I,
as
you
are
aware,
I
have
already
put
my
sixpence
in
that
we
should
be
given
the
same
flexibility
to
spread
the
effects
financial
effects
of
kovid
over
a
longer
period,
which
is
what
the
government's
doing
and
and
that's
only
fair,
and
that
argument
is
far
easier
to
make
than
the
oliver
twist
argument.
C
We're
going
to
see
a
suspect
this.
This
paper
brought
back
revised
again
in
october
november,
maybe
even
december.
C
It
is
my
understanding
is
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
spending
review
announcement
and-
and
whilst
I
agree
there
shouldn't
be
a
budget,
I
do
think-
and
I
agree
with
council
lewis
here-
there
ought
to
be
a
spending
review
announcement
because
uncertainty
is
is,
is
a
great
enemy
when
you're
in
a
position
like
this
and
levels
of
certainty,
are
absolutely
critical.
So
I
do
hope
that
there
will
be,
and
in
that
spending
review,
we
will
know
where
we
are,
particularly
in
in
connection
with
those
services
which
are
very
much
demand-led.
A
Okay,
councillor
galton.
D
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
the
right
paper
to
mention
it,
but
I
was
going
through
it
thinking
it's
the
medium
term
view
and
it's
over
five
years
and
we've
learnt
a
lot
over
the
past
eight
months
and
some
of
the
things
which
have
occurred
and
have
occurred
very
rapidly
are
things
which
other
commentators,
nationally
and
internationally
are
saying,
are
going
to
be
with
us
for
some
considerable
time
and-
and
I
didn't
feel
that
this
document
reflected
that
the
council
itself
is
reflecting
about
those
changes
and
how
the
council
can
respond
to
it
in
a
nimble
fashion
and
over
the
next
three
four
five
years.
D
D
D
And
I
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
isn't
the
paper
where
you
start
to
talk
about
it.
What
is
the
paper
that
you
start
to
talk
about
it
in
the
spirit
of
the
commission
for
local
government
and
doing
things
differently,
and
this
being
perhaps
one
of
those
times
when
implementation
is
speeded
up?.
L
Thank
you.
I
would
first
of
all
again
welcome
council
carter's
cross-party
support
for
dealing
with
the
budget
challenges.
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
council
galton.
This
is
a
paper
that
we
would
start
looking
at
our
economic
strategy
on,
though
I
think
it
does
make
a
a
valid
point.
L
L
The
actions
that
we
can
take
or
may
wish
to
take
or
may
be
afforded
to
be
able
to
take
once
we've
concluded
that
on
the
budget
setting
process
for
next
years
are
probably
issues
that
need
to
be
do
need
to
be
picked
up,
but
in
a
in
a
different
area.
A
Okay,
victoria,
don't
make
any
comment
or
should
we
agree
these
this
paper
and
move
on.
A
Okay,
thank
you
bearing
in
mind
and
that
we
will
be
having
further
papers
coming
forward.
As
has
been
said,
can
we
agree
the
recommendations
of
item
12
and
move
on
to
13?
Please.
L
Okay,
thank
you
leader
and
item
13
is
a
revenue
budget
update
for
the
next
financial
year,
21
22
and
starting
to
see
some
of
the
budget
saving
proposals.
We
are
bringing
forward
to
try
and
meet
the
budget
gap.
We've
talked
about
in
the
last
paper
for
next
year.
L
I
think
I'll
be
very
clear
in
introducing
this
paper
that
this
is
not
our
revenue
budget
for
21.22,
it
is
a
start
of
a
process,
is
bringing
forward
some
of
the
changes
we
wish
to
present
at
this
point,
and
we
may
wish
to
bring
forward
into
our
initial
budget
proposals
in
december
and
then
the
final
budget.
There
are
a
number
of
items
in
here.
L
I
won't
go
through
them
one
by
one,
but
there
are
a
number
of
items
in
here
which
will
require
consultation
in
order
for
us
to
establish
what
the
revenue
effect
will
be
in
the
next
financial
year
and
how
we
can
set
the
budget
and
finally,
to
say
there
are.
There
will
be
a
number
more
of
papers
of
this
type
coming
forward
october
and
november
executive
board
ahead
of
the
initial
budget
plans
in
december,
which
will
show
the
full
picture.
L
Given
that
we
like
to
say
there
are
a
number
of
items
where
we
need
to
consult
ahead
of
including
them
in
initial
budget
and
again
recognizing
that
the
scale
of
the
financial
challenge
we
face.
This
is
this
is
the
first
step
in
that
process
and
again
presents
32.7
million
revenue
budget
savings.
It's
like
to
say
very
much
a
start
of
the
process
leader.
C
Yes,
thank
you
a
couple
of
questions
repeating
myself
again.
C
I
In
the
report,
it
details
that
this
post
of
478.4
full-time
equivalent
posts
that
are
impacted
on
the
early
leavers
scheme,
we're
waiting
for
and
people
to
reaffirm
whether
they
want
to
take
forward
their
initial
interest
in
the
early
leavers
scheme
and
the
closing
date
is
tomorrow.
But
initial
people
showing
in
interest
was
around
1
200
people.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
move
on
to
another
specific
in
the
budget
that
we
agreed
or
that
you
put
into
place
for
this
coming
year.
The
projection
was
that
we
were
going
to
spend
some
four
million
pounds
of
revenue
on
the
year
of
culture.
2023,
there's
also
some
capital
implications
as
well.
C
These
two,
this
comparison
does
not
sit
well,
and
I
would
like
an
answer
from
the
politicians
on
that.
Please.
L
Thank
you,
councillor
carter.
I've
listened
carefully
to
what
you
have
said
and
and
without
wanting
to
sound,
like
a
stuck
record.
As
I
said
when
introduced
this
item,
this
isn't
the
this.
Isn't
our
the
presentation
of
our
complete
budget
proposals
for
financial
year
2122.?
L
It
is
the
ones
we
are
bringing
forward
at
the
moment.
As
you
received
your
answer
to
the
last
question,
there
are
still
some
uncertainties
around
things
like,
for
example,
completing
the
eli
scheme.
So,
in
response
to
your
specific
question
now
I
would
say
that
this
isn't
our
full
budget
for
financial
year
21
22
and
we'll
be
presenting
the
full
set
of
proposals,
as
we
normally
do
in
december
as
the
initial
proposals
and
then
the
budget
council
in
february.
D
Yes,
thanks
chair
this
paper
very
much
does
feel
like
a
first
draft
of
areas
for
discussion
and
exploration,
and
I
was
encouraged
by
which
departments
and
portfolios
had
discussed
about
bringing
forward
structural
changes
to
so
that
their
departments
can
respond
in
a
different
fashion
and
how
silos
can
hopefully
be
reduced.
D
But
at
the
same
time
I
did
notice
that
some
other
departments
were
very
much
taking
on
a
salami
slicing
approach
and
each
section
was
obviously
delivering
their
10
cut
in
the
budget
and,
as
mentioned
earlier,
it
also
became
clear
of
some
of
those
hidden
contingencies
in
terms
of
vacancy
factors
that
were
now
being
cashed
in
and
obviously
will
mean
that
the
council
really
does
need
to
review
how
it
delivers
services,
because
those
cushions
aren't
there
for
them
to
fall
on
in
the
future
in
certain
departments.
D
D
I
am
interested
in
how
individual
departments
are
getting
to
the
conclusions
that
they
are
in
terms
of
how
they
see
their
teams
being
developed
in
future,
because
I
understand
that
there
is
some
peer
challenge,
but
most
of
it
is
actually
coming
from
other
parts
of
the
council,
as
opposed
to
from
anybody
or
persons
external
to
the
council,
and
I
think,
sometimes,
if
we're
taking
part
in
internal
reviews,
it's
good
to
have
another
perspective
shown
upon
us
so
that
we
better
evaluate
ourselves
and
understand
different
ways
of
working
and
thereby
get
a
better
outcome
at
the
end
of
it.
L
Can
I
say
this?
Thank
you.
I
think
I
would
say
in
response
to
council
dalton
again,
you
know
this
is,
as
we've
recognized
the
first
paper
that
we
have
brought
forward.
We
have
found
ourselves
in
the
position
where
we
have
had
departments
and
staff
that
have
been
responding
to
the
covert
crisis
and
trying
to
ask
people,
then,
on
top
of
that
work
to
then
restructure
entire
sections
of
the
council.
L
I
think
at
at
the
same
time
I
think
is
it
is
something
that
may
may
have
been
a
request
that
we
may
would.
We
wouldn't
have
taken
forward
for
this
point,
although
I
do
recognize
the
royal
issues
that
we
need
to
consider
again
when
it
comes
to
finalizing
our
budget
for
december.
So
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
what
you're
saying
council
galton.
L
But
again,
I
think
we
find
ourselves
in
a
position
where
we
have
a
pandemic
to
respond
to,
and
also
a
budget
position
to
respond
to,
and
that's
why
we
just
need
to
work
through
until
we
have
a
final
budget
position
in
december
for
us
to
for
us
to
present
that
complete
budget
position.
But
again
your
input
as
with
council
carter,
is
very
welcome.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
lewis.
So
without
further
comments,
can
we
agree
the
recommendations
on
item
13
and
move
on
to
item
14.
L
Thank
you
lead
item.
14
again
is
part
of
our
work
towards
setting
a
budget
for
next
year
and
demonstrating
our
response
to
the
change
circumstances.
This
is
an
update
of
the
capital
programme
review
and
there's
not
a
lot
to
be
said
by
way
of
introduction,
but
in
terms
of
we're
seeing
131.5
million
pounds
worth
of
proposals
that
are
either
stopped
reduced
or
delayed
moving
forward
again
recognizing
where
we
are
in
in
both
next
year's
budget
and
also
the
years
ahead.
C
Carter,
yes
again,
I'm
reserving
my
position
on
this.
I
think
it's
pretty
unimaginative.
C
To
be
honest,
when
you
look
down
the
list
of
things
where
the
axe
falls-
and
I
know
councilmember
herring
thinks
that's
funny,
but
it's
her
department
and
highways
repairs
and
maintenance
is
one
of
the
areas,
so
you
might
be
smiling
now
castle
mulheran,
but
you
won't
be
when
your
constituents
find
out
what
and
I
to
ask
a
particular
question
and
that
is
on
page
408,
paragraph
3.5.2,
where
it
states.
I
I'll
I'll
have
to
come
back
to
councillor
clutch
on
that.
I
haven't
got
that
information
to
hand,
but
I
will
do
I'll
I'll
send
a
response
to
councilman
carter
on
that.
D
Sorry,
sorry
chair,
I
was
reading
the
papers
on
modern.gov
to
try
and
find
the
reference
to
the
local
centers
fund
and
the
town
center
funding.
The
capital
spend
it
needs
to
be
recognized
is
the
hook
upon
which
other
work
can
be
done
and
just
as
I
was
pointing
out
earlier
about
how
we
need
to
be
looking
at
how
our
economic
footprint
is
developing
in
the
city
and
opportunities
that
come
with
it.
D
I
know
that,
for
instance,
there's
a
halt
or
a
delay
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
in
terms
of
the
town
center
funding,
which
the
council
has
historically
committed
to
in
this
paper,
and
I
think
that
is
a
wrong
move,
because
all
that
will
do
is
potentially
de-stimulate
local
innovations
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
our
local
town
and
district
centers
work
better
for
those
people
that
are
working
in
and
around
them.
D
I
think
this
small
piece
of
money,
really
considering
the
the
overall
picture
in
terms
of
capital,
is
one
that
we
shouldn't
be
cutting
back
on
now
and
instead
should
be
thinking
of
how
it
can
be
given
added
value
in
terms
of
focusing
on
our
communities
and
their
economic.
A
Yeah.
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
can
we
agree
that
every
note
the
recommendation
agree
the
recommendation
council
carter's
comments
and
move
on
15.
Please.
I
I'm
just
on
item
14
at
appendix
a
1.57
and
the
description
says
climate
emergency.
It
should
actually
be
replaced
with
section
106
schemes
as
the
description
on
the
scheme,
so
we
just
need
to
update
that
place.
Thank
you,
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you.
L
Thank
you
leader.
This
is
takes
us
back
into
a
time
machine
to
just
just
before
covered
started
in
a
review
of
the
council's
performance
for
last
year.
Again,
it's
presents
the
information
on
how
we
performed
against
the
objectives
we
set
ourselves.
L
I
won't
say
a
lot
more
than
that,
because
I'm
quite
clear
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
the
report.
We've
got
had
a
large
number
of
papers
today,
but
this
is
a
a
report.
We've
brought
forward
that
let's
say
sets
out
how
we
performed
last
year.
A
D
Yeah
I'll
leave
it
for
now
as
well.
Chair.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
we
agree
the
recommendations
in
the
report
and
move
on
to
item
16
and,
of
course,
we've
got
pink
papers
with
this
item.
L
L
First
of
all,
there's
a
pink
papers,
which
is
a
number
of
actions
around
individual
buildings
we
wish
to
dispose
of,
and
then
the
the
paper
gives
us
a
new
direction
in
terms
of
agreeing
a
speedy
disposal
of
properties
where
we
believe
that
they
are
no
longer
necessary
for
the
provision
of
council
services,
they
can
provide
us
either
or
both
a
capital
receipt
towards
our
budget
objectives,
but
also
a
revenue
saving
in
terms
of
we're,
no
longer
funding
the
running
costs
of
buildings
moving
forward.
L
We
are
the
largest
london
property
owner
in
the
I'm
in
the
city,
we
have
around
700
operational
buildings,
so
I
think
it
is
a
something
we
do
need
to
look
at
in
terms
of
how
we
manage
our
budget
moving
moving
forward
in
in
the
years
ahead.
Again
again,
as
well
as
just
a
budget
strategy.
I
think
there's
part
of
this,
which
I
don't
want
to
lose,
which
is
going
to
be
around.
L
First
of
all,
our
staff
are
going
to
work
in
in
in
different
ways
moving
forward,
I
mean,
regrettably,
we're
likely
to
have
less
staff,
but
the
staff
will
have
are
likely
to
be
working
in
different
ways
and
there's
a
whole
process
of
engagement
going
on
through
hr
about
how
we
can
best
support
our
staff.
L
I
think
there's
a
large
percentage
at
who
would
wish
once
all
the
restrictions
are
gone,
spends
some
or
more
of
the
time
working
from
home,
but
not
necessarily
doing
100
of
work
from
home
and
how
we
adopt
our
buildings
for
that.
L
Clearly,
there's
a
large
piece
of
work
on
consultation
with
our
staff
around
that
to
do,
but
this
paper,
also
in
terms
of
the
building
side,
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
put
in
place
a
system
for
where
we
feel
buildings
are
no
longer
used
to
bring
them
forward
for
disposal.
L
The
second
thing
as
well
is
we've
recognized
through
certainly
some
scrutiny
inquiries
that
the
council
building
stock
in
terms
in
the
context
of
the
climate
emergency
isn't
necessarily
the
best
performing
for
energy
efficiency,
and
I
think,
having
a
comprehensive
look
at
the
buildings
we
use,
focusing
on
those
we're
going
to
take
forward
and
making
sure
that
the
investment
is
there
for
them
to
be
at
a
high
standard
of
performance.
C
I
support
the
paper.
An
asset
is
only
worth
what
it's
worth
at
any
given
point
in
the
economic
cycle.
Council
lewis
is
right.
We
have
to
protect
and
maintain
certainly
to
levels
of
safety
properties
which
we've
not
used
for
a
long
time.
There
are
properties
on
the
council's
portfolio
that
should
have
long
since
gone
and
for
a
variety
of
reasons
haven't
and,
and
it
there's
a
byproduct
to
that.
C
The
byproduct
is
that
it
puts
pressure
on
more
important
heritage
assets
that
we
don't
want
to
see
go
so
I'm
in
support
of
this,
but
I
would
would
make
this
comment.
I
asked
particularly
whether
ward
members
had
been
briefed
on
the
individual
cases
which
I'm
not
going
to
mention,
obviously,
and
I
was
told
that
they
had.
I
am
told
that
by
certain
ward
members,
that
that
is
not
the
case
and
they
have
not
specifically
been
briefed
on
what
is
proposed.
C
They
might
have
been
briefed
some
time
ago
about
disposal
of
the
site,
but
nothing
since
then
very
sensitive
area.
We
want
this
to
work.
Ward
members
must
be
kept
on
board.
I
just
underlined
that,
but
for
the
paper
itself,
I
am
in
support
of
it
on
the
on
those
provisos.
C
A
Okay,
well
we'll
we'll
pick
up
the
wall.
Remember
that's
later!
Obviously,
council
galton,
do
you
want
to
comment
on
this
paper.
D
Yes,
thanks
jeff
in
my
virtual
room,
I
have
a
council
asset
behind
me
and
at
this
moment
in
time,
thankfully,
the
council
is
in
discussions
with
us
to
reutilize
it
as
a
community
asset
transfer,
and
actually
it
fits
in
with
some
of
the
working
of
this
particular
paper
in
terms
of
the
council
wanting
to
have
access
to
space
that
can
be
used
by
its
workers
that
are
basing
themselves
at
home
and
within
communities
and
to
follow
on
from
councillor
carter's
comments
about
consultation
with
members.
D
I
think
it's
worth
actually
having
pre-consultation
with
members
to
one
so
that
they
get
a
better
understanding
of
council
assets
within
their
wards,
and
I
think
they
could
actually
be
helpful
to
the
council
to
identify
which
assets
are
less
valuable,
culturally
to
their
communities
than
others,
and
therefore
would
be
an
easier
option
for
asset
disposal
to
enable
the
council
to
get
its
income,
which
is
needed
to
fulfill
other
commitments
elsewhere.
So
I
I
have
no
objection
to
this
paper
or
the
philosophy
behind
it.
D
As
with
most
things,
it's
how
you
implement
and
I'm
I'm
sure
that
what
members
will
want
to
be
fully
involved
in
this
agenda
going
forward.
A
Okay,
counselors,
I
assume
you
note
councillor
goldson's
comments.
L
I
do
yes,
yes
and
and
councillor
carter's
as
well.
I
think
we
need
to
be
again
in
terms
of
accelerating
our
approaches.
We
do
need
to
be
mindful
about
speaking
toward
members
and,
as
I
said,
this
paper
will
bring
forward
further
papers
about
these
polls
and
again,
we'll
make
sure
ward
members
are
involved
in
discussions
about
those.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
we
agree
the
recommendations
and
move
on
to
the
last
item
on
the
public
agenda
item
17.
L
Thank
you
leads.
This
is
the
last
item
of
of
mine,
and
this
is
about
updating
the
council's
core
financial
system,
which,
as
those
who
read
the
paper,
will
see,
may
not
seem
the
most
exciting
paper
to
bring
forward.
But
actually
there
are
some
important
decisions
to
made
here.
First
of
all,
the
costs
of
doing
this,
given
the
significance
of
the
system
need
to
be
recognized.
L
Secondly,
the
need
to
do
it,
looking
at
the
end
of
the
report
and
from
the
screen
grab.
So
those
of
us
that
entered
the
world
of
the
work
in
the
1990s
to
the
excitement
of
computers,
the
sizes
of
small
cars,
you
know
we'll
recognize
some
of
the
screens
there
and
thirdly,
going
back
to
some
of
the
discussions
around
both
financial
position.
The
council
finds
itself
in
and
also
the
need
to
change.
L
The
way
we
work,
I
think
an
opportunity
of
a
project
of
this
scale
would
be
lost
if
we
didn't
use
it
to
address
some
of
our
ways
of
working
in
the
council
and
not
see
it
just
as
unplugging
one
system
and
plugging
another
system
in,
but
addressing
those.
So
I
say
that
an
introduction
of
this
paper
I
turned
to
the
recommendations
and
we've
been
asked
to
start
work
on
this
with
a
report
back
to
council
in
12
months
time.
L
The
time
scale
is
very
much
dictated
by
being
able
to
do
this
in
a
an
effective
way
before
we
lose
the
existing
system
completely
and
we're
forced
into
doing
something
very
urgently
in
a
number
of
years
time.
But
again,
this
is
the
first
paper
of
of
one
that
will
come
back
next
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
The
comment
carter,
any
comments.
C
Yeah,
yes,
very
briefly,
I
support
the
paper.
It's
actually
much
more
important
than
the
the
rather
dry
reading
it
presents,
and
it
does
need
moving
forward
quickly.
One
point
I
would
make
we
have
just
appointed
a
new
chief
officer
in
digitalization
and
whatever
it's
called.
I
hope
we're
not
just
gonna
present
him
with
this
as
a
fate
accompli,
but
actually
get
his
input
into
improving.
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
If
you're,
okay,
we'll
stop
the
webcast.