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A
B
Thanks
harry
and
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
here
in
the
licensing
subcommittee.
As
I
already
said,
my
my
name
is
councillor
ghana
and
I'll
be
chairing
today's
hearing
before
I
proceed
further,
could
I
remind
everyone
that
the
meeting
is
gonna
be,
is
being
streamed
on
the
city
council's
youtube
channel?
Could
I
ask
the
other
two
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
introduce
yourselves
councillor
hutchinson.
B
Thank
you
and
we'll
start
today
by
confirming
that,
although
remote
this
meeting
of
the
licensing
committee
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution
and
while
the
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
normally
would
be
in
person,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
changes
to
how
we
manage
the
debate.
So
just
reminder
that
you
should
mute
your
microphones
unless
they're
invited
to
speak
by
myself
as
chair
just
to
minimize
background
noise.
B
If
you
can
keep
your
cameras
on
during
the
hearing,
if
possible,
that
would
be
fantastic
and
all
participants
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
start
of
the
hearing,
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers
who
are
viewing
on
youtube.
Who
will
be
involved
in
the
proceedings.
So
I'll.
Just
ask
for
your
patience
while
we
go
through
and
that
process
could
ask
officers
to
introduce
yourselves
and
mute
your
microphones
after
I'll
start
with
rob
brown.
D
B
Bro,
thank
you.
I
think
that's
everyone
officer-wise
this
so
moving
to
the
agenda.
Could
I
ask
harriet
just
to
go
for
gender
items
two
to
five.
Please.
A
Of
course,
thank
you
chair
under
agenda
item
number
two.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
and,
under
gender
item
number
3.
There
are
no
exempt
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
agenda
writer
number
4.
There
are
no
late
items
and
under
agenda
item
number
five,
could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
disclosable
pecuniary
interests?
Please.
B
Thanks
harriet,
so
gender
item
number
six.
The
main
item
today
is
the
application
for
the
grant
of
the
premises
license
for
a
lost
at
sea
restaurant.
Could
I
ask
the
applicant
and
their
representatives
please
introduce
yourselves.
F
Hi
yeah,
my
name
is
niels
medley,
I'm
the
owner
of
king
kobe,
which
is
the
premises
where
we
hope
lost
at
cb,
and
I'm
here
representing
the
the
application
philosophy.
B
Thank
you.
I'm
welcome
mr
smedley
and
mr,
where
regular
to
our
licensing
subcommittee
meeting.
So
thank
you.
Can
I
ask
the
objectors
to
introduce
yourselves
I'll
go
through,
we've
got
james
and
green
hog.
Is
it.
I
Yeah,
I'm
here
natasha
handley
pronounces.
She
I'm
the
founder
of
trans
pride
leads
and
the
trustee
of
translates.
B
Thank
you
and
I
understand
you're
the
one
of
james's
witnesses.
That's
right,
yeah,
thank
you
and
faye
cosby.
J
Hi
yeah,
I'm
leon
fleming,
I'm
the
chair
of
bradford
pride
and
I'm
a
trustee
of
a
charity
in
bradford
and
I'm
also
a
co-wrong
one
of
the
community
groups
that
uses
flamingos.
B
Brilliant
thank
you.
Now.
We
did
have
one
other
objective
who
put
in
a
notification
to
to
attend
the
meeting
today,
but
it
was
late
this
morning
early
this
morning
when
they
put
in
the
application,
and
they
couldn't
come
until
later
during
through
the
committee
time.
So
we've
made
the
decision
to
carry
on.
We
have
given
a
little
bit
more
time
during
these
introductory
proceedings
to
see
if
they
turn
up,
but
they
haven't
been
able
to.
So.
In
the
circumstances
we
agreed
as
a
as
committee
members
to
carry
on
with
the
objective.
B
So
thank
you
for
coming
and
I
hope
that's
all
right
with
everyone
could
rob.
As
a
legal
advisor
to
the
subcommittee
outline
the
procedure
for
the
hearing,
please.
D
Thank
you
chair
and
our
usual
procedure
for
this
type
of
application
is
that
the
applicant
would
address
the
committee
first
and
any
other
parties.
Who've
indicated
an
intention
to
speak
at
the
hearing
can
then
address
the
committee
and
then
the
applicant
has
the
chance
to
respond
to
anything
said
by
the
other
parties,
and
I
don't
know
whether
the
objectives
have
discussed
between
them,
the
order
in
which
they
wish
to
address
the
committee.
But
that
might
be
something
that
they
will
want
to
to
think
about.
D
While
the
applicant
is
outlining
its
case
in
making
its
determination,
the
subcommittee
will
consider,
what's
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives
which
are
won:
the
prevention
of
climate
disorder
to
a
public
safety,
three,
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance
for
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
the
regulations
permit
the
subcommittee
to
set
a
time
limit
on
presentations,
provided
that
the
same
time
limit
is
applied
to
all
parties.
D
Our
usual
time
limit
is
15
minutes
per
party.
The
applicant
may
wish
to
split
their
allocation
between
their
initial
presentation
and
their
response
to
the
other
party,
for
example,
ten
minutes
initially
and
then
five
minutes
at
the
end.
Can
I
just
ask
the
the
parties
whether
they
feel
that
15
minutes
would
be
sufficient.
H
If,
if
I
might
come
in
here,
we've
the
way
that
we
would
ideally
like
to
present,
it
is
that
it
would
be,
I
would
be
allowed
20
minutes
to
speak,
of
which
it
will
incorporate
within
that
20
minutes.
It
will
include
the
other
three
witnesses
who
I
would
call
during
my
20
minutes
of
allocated
time,
and
then
obviously,
those
three
that
are
remaining
would
not
wish
to
speak
further.
G
G
G
D
D
We've
got
james
greenhound
yeah.
How
long
do
you
tend
to
speak
for.
H
As
I
as
I
said,
I
intend
that
the
whole
presentation
that
we
will
be
giving
of
evidence
which
will
include
the
other
three
witnesses,
would
be
approximately
20
minutes
and
that
would
be
about
16
17
minutes
of
us
four
talking
and
then
two
or
three
minutes
at
the
end.
For
me,
to
sum
up,
if
anything
else
arises,
that
was
mine.
D
Okay,
you
just,
I
think
two
of
your
witnesses
have
also
put
in
representation,
so
they
would,
in
the
normal
course
of
events,
be
entitled
to
speak
for
the
same
amount
of
time
as
all
the
other
parties.
But
is
it
correct,
then,
that
fake
hesby
and
leon
fleming
that
that
you
only
wish
to
to
be
called
as
witnesses?
You
don't
want
to
make
submissions
in
on
your
own.
D
B
I
think,
given
the
what's
being
said,
20
minutes
seems
fine
if
the
other
two
members
are
in
agreement.
B
Mr
wood
seems
happy
with
that,
as
well
with
10
minutes
to
set
out
10
minutes
to
sum
up
and
20
minutes
for
objectives,
notwithstanding
that
some
of
those
are
being
called
as
witnesses
in
there
in
mr
greenhouse
20
minutes.
That
seems
fine.
D
Okay,
so
a
time
to
20
minutes
will
reply
to
all
presentations
after
each
presentation.
The
subcommittee
members
may
wish
to
ask
questions
the
time
for
questions
to
be
asked
and
answered
is
in
addition
to
the
time
limit
set
of
presentations.
D
Please
note
that
we
do
not
permit
cross-examination
in
sub-committee.
If
any
party
feels
there
is
a
crucial
question
that
needs
to
be
asked
and
answered.
Please
don't
ask
the
person
directly,
but
instead
make
a
request
to
the
chair,
who
will
then
determine
whether
or
not
the
question
should
be
put
parties
may
request
permission
to
call
witnesses
and
we've
covered
that
all
documents
that
have
previously
been
submitted
have
been
copied
and
circulated
to
the
subcommittee
in
advance.
D
You
should
all
have
the
same
original
pack,
consisting
of
a
main
bundle
numbered
to
page
136
and
it'd
be
helpful
when
referring
to
documents
to
identify
which
document
you're,
referring
to
by
its
bundle
page
number.
Additional
documents
may
now
only
be
tabled
with
the
consent
of
all
parties.
D
If
you
can
raise
your
hand,
if
you
do
oh
good,
please
note
that
your
presentation
is
your
only
opportunity
to
address
the
subcommittee,
so
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you
included
in
your
presentation
everything
that
you
wish
to
say
and
to
have
taken
into
account
after
the
parties
have
made
their
presentations
and
after
any
questions,
the
subcommittee
members
will
go
into
a
private
session.
D
D
E
E
The
application
is
applied
by
a
limited
company,
kkl's
limited
and
proposes
both
the
sale
by
retail
of
alcohol
and
regulated
entertainment
from
10
am
until
2
am
the
following
morning,
monday
to
sunday
the
provision
of
late
night
freshman
is
also
proposed
monday
sunday,
and
this
is
from
when
it's
effective
at
11
pm
until
2am
the
following
morning.
Seasonal
variations
and
non-standard
timings
can
be
noted
at
3.3
of
the
agenda
and
a
full
copy
of
the
application
form,
including
the
complete
operating
schedule,
is
available
appendix
on
page
11
of
the
report.
E
West
yorkshire
police
have
made
representation
to
the
application
offering
suggested
measures
in
order
to
promote
the
provider,
the
crime
prevention,
licensing
objective.
These
measures
have
been
agreed
by
the
applicant
and
now
form
part
of
the
operating
schedule,
which
has
resulted
in
west
yorkshire,
police
withdrawing
their
representation.
E
The
accepted
conditions
which
includes
the
minimum
number
of
seating
for
the
premises,
can
be
found
at
appendix
c.
On
page
41.,
the
application
is
attracted
a
total
of
31
individual
representations,
which
includes
one
from
a
local
ward
councillor
opposing
the
application,
mainly
on
the
grounds
of
crime
and
disorder
and
public
nuisance.
A
copy
of
the
council
of
representation
is
appendix
d
on
page
49
of
the
report,
and
the
representations
from
other
parties
can
be
found
appendix
e
on
page
51..
E
E
Finally,
it
should
also
be
noted
that
the
premises
do
not
fall
within
either
of
the
two
areas
of
special
concerns
designated
as
red
zones
in
the
policy,
but
they
do
fall
within
the
overall
community
of
impact
area
where
there
are
concerns
regarding
string,
drinking
and
associated
anti-social
behavior.
That's
the
application.
Thank
you.
Jeff.
B
Sorry,
just
trying
to
find
my
meatball
some
thanks
matthew.
Could
I
invite
the
applicant
or
or
mr
moore,
as
a
representation
representative,
sorry
to
present
the
application.
Please,
and
I
believe
we
said
you
said
for
10
minutes.
G
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee
and
those
who
have
raised
concerns
about
the
granting
of
this
license.
Can
I
just
from
the
outset
just
talk
about
what
the
premises
are
so
neil
smedley
is
here
he's
well
known
within
leeds
city
center
for
being
one
of
the
preeminent
barbers
in
the
city
center.
The
premises
have
traded
in
this
location
for
about
eight
months.
It's
a
very
successful
business.
There's
about
15
chairs
in
the
premises
18
to
20
different
stylists.
G
They
come
from
a
mixed
background.
Some
are
female.
Some
are
male
and
customers
wanting
to
use
the
premises.
We
would
like
to
offer
them
to
have
the
opportunity
to
have
a
drink
whilst
they're
there
during
the
day
time
and
then,
as
the
premises
start
to
wind
down
their
activities
as
being
a
barber
later
on
in
the
early
evening,
then
they
would
become
a
bar.
That
would
be
certainly
catering
for
the
kind
of
people
who'd
been
using
the
facilities.
G
G
It's
got
a
mixed
customer
base
of
customers
that
go
in
to
have
treatments
of
the
premises
and
through
their
hookup,
with
what
they're
going
to
call
themselves
lost
at
sea,
they're
going
to
be
marketing
the
lost
at
sea
beers,
modest
amount
of
alcohol,
no
draft
beers
wines,
a
gin
selection.
This
is
something
that's
become
very
popular
with
premises
such
as
these.
G
A
percentage
of
all
of
the
sales
of
alcohol
are
denoted
to
the
rnli
to
fit
in
with
the
lost
at
sea
branding,
and
it
it's
really
in
relation
to
the
element
of
it
becoming
a
a
an
area
for
people
to
go
and
sit
and
have
a
drink
to
be
very
def
differentiated
from
cool
lanes.
G
So
there
is
certainly
neil
would
tell
you
he
thinks
a
customer
base
that
don't
want
to
be
going
into
call
lane
for
a
drink,
but
would
like
a
nice
environment
which
we
wish
to
offer
through
these
premises,
for
people
to
sit,
enjoy,
have
a
drink
and
relax
in
these
quality
premises,
as
you
would
expect
for
premises
that
are
fit
within
the
city
center
and
matthew's.
Just
highlighted
to
you
that
the
premises
don't
fall
in
the
red
zone,
they
are
still
within
the
cip,
which
covers
most
of
the
city
center.
G
So,
as
a
starting
point,
we
met
with
the
responsible
authorities
to
explain
what
we
wanted
to
achieve.
There
was
pre-consultation
which
you
would
expect
and
as
agreed,
we
put
in
an
application
with
a
very
robust
operating
schedule,
and
you
can
see
that
from
the
application
which
is
in
your
pack,
it
uses
all
of
the
conditions
that
you
would
expect
to
see
from
the
pool
of
conditions
that
lead
city
council
very
helpfully
creates
so
very
strong
operating
schedule,
robust
conditions
and
as
a
result
of
that,
all
of
the
responsible
authorities
were
happy.
G
Those
conditions
just
finished
the
position
with
regard
to
the
responsible
authorities
and,
importantly,
20
seats
guaranteed
in
the
premises
all
the
time,
and
on
the
back
of
that,
the
all
of
your
responsible
authorities
were
very,
very
comfortable
that
these
premises
would
be
capable
of
promoting
the
licensing
objectives
and
I'm
going
to
come
on
to
dealing
with
the
objections
that
you
have
today,
but
just
really
for
those
who
are
making
objections
and
for
the
benefit
of
my
client
and
for
the
licensing
subcommittee.
G
I
I
would
just
remind
you
that
in
my
respectful
submission,
we've
followed
the
local
policy,
we're
compliant
with
the
section
182
guidance
and
the
act
and
what
we
are
seeking
to
offer
in
the
style
of
operation,
the
type
of
alcohol
and
the
conditions
that
are
attached
to
the
premises.
We
feel
that
would
certainly
be
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives
and
grant
this
license.
G
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
it's
obviously
a
situation
where
public
notices
go.
People
who
are
nervous
about
the
impact
of
premises
have
the
right
to
talk
to
you
about
their
worries
about
how
we
might
impinge
on
the
licensing
objectives.
Can
I
just
deal
with
the
issues
that
have
come
out
of
those
letters
of
representation?
G
There
is
some
public
safety
and
prevention
of
of
children
from
harm
issues
on
the
public
safety.
There
is
a
suggestion
that
we
aren't
capable
of
being
compliant
with
the
requirements
on
us
in
relation
to
fire
safety.
Can
I
just
remind
the
committee
that
the
fire
officer
is
served
with
this
application?
G
We
will,
as
all
operators
have
to
do,
carry
out
a
risk
assessment
and
make
sure
that
we
comply
with
everything
that
we
have
to
do
in
relation
to
the
rro
for
fire
risk
assessments
in
relation
to
the
prevention
of
children
from
harm.
Nobody,
as
you
can
see
from
the
conditions
offered
under
18,
will
be
allowed
in
these
premises
on
an
evening.
So
I
I
don't
think
that
those
two
issues
are
issues
that
really
should
be
troubling
the
committee.
G
Today,
the
opposition
to
the
application
really
falls
within
two
licensing
objectives,
which
is
the
promotion
of
making
sure
that
we
don't
add
to
crime
and
disorder
or
public
nuisance
in
the
area
and,
as
matthew's
highlighted
the
purpose
of
the
really
the
cumulative
impact
policies
in
relation
to
street
drinking
and
antisocial
behavior
around.
Here
we've
offered
conditions
where
we
won't
allow
alcohol
to
be
taken
from
the
premises.
G
So
that's
certainly
not
something
that
would
be
contributing
to
any
anti-social
behavior
in
the
area
or
street
drinking,
and
there
would
be
very
strong
management
in
relation
to
the
style
of
operation,
for
the
premises
to
be
inclusive,
for
them
to
allow
a
relaxed
environment
for
people
to
come
away
from
call
lane
a
different
market.
A
different
client
base
slightly
older
and
neil
could
certainly
talk
to
you.
If
you
wished
about
the
client
base
that
they
have.
G
G
G
We're
asking
for
the
ability
to
sell
alcohol
during
the
day
which
we
think
will
have
minimal
impact
in
relation
to
any
neighbors
in
licensing,
objective
terms
in
relation
to
public
nuisance
or
crime
and
disorder,
and
then,
when
the
premises
become
an
environment
for
people
to
sit
and
have
a
drink.
When
the
when
the
barbering
is
closed
because
of
the
style
of
operation,
type
of
alcohol
being
sold
the
way
the
building
is
dressed.
The
way
neil
will
run
the
premises.
G
We
want
it
to
be
an
inclusive
environment,
to
offer
a
safe
environment
to
all
those
people
who
want
to
come
and
use
our
premises,
but
we
want
to
be
a
considerate
and
careful
neighbor
and
we
will
certainly
continue
to
offer
to
work
with
any
of
those
who've
raised
concerns
about
the
potential
impact
chair.
That's
the
application.
In
a
nutshell,
we
would
say
to
you
that
it
is
a
proper
application.
G
That's
been
well
made
with
a
very
strong
operating
schedule,
a
robust
set
of
conditions
being
offered
a
mature
operator
with
a
great
catchment
of
people
that
he
wants
to
include
in
the
premises
and
we're
certainly
confident
that
we
can
prove
to
those
that
are
nervous
about
the
application
that
the
responsible
authorities
are
right
and
we
will
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
Okay,
that's
the
application.
Should
you
have
any
questions
of
mr
smed
leaves
obviously
here
in
the
meeting.
B
Thank
you,
mr,
where,
for
questions
to
my
colleagues.
First
of
all,
I
do
have
a
few
myself
counselor
when
him
or
counselor
hutchinson
any
questions
from
you.
A
I
don't
know
if
this
is
appropriate.
I
don't
know
if
this
question
is
appropriate.
Now
we
were
talking
about
the
actual
winding
down.
What
time
do
the
wind
down
from
the
barbers
to
the
actual
entertainment.
F
Yeah,
I
can
answer
that
for
you
so
usually
monday.
Through
to
thursday,
we
usually
begin
to
start
wind
down
at
six
o'clock,
but
there
was
a
crossover
period
from
getting
the
barbershop
clean
and
ready
and
style
again,
which
usually
takes
us
about
an
hour
an
hour
and
a
half.
So
we
wouldn't
expect
that
the
bar
to
become
actually
a
bar
until
about
7
30
8
o'clock
in
the
evening
at
the
earliest.
B
You're
welcome
okay
and
that's
going
to
be
one
of
my
questions.
Thank
you
angela
and
you
lost
at
sea
restaurants
or
suggested
food
element
to
this
is
this:
is
that
gonna
be
offered.
F
F
If
we
do
go
down
that
route
is
called
seafood
that
would
get
direct
from
from
legal
market
across
the
world,
so
we're
keeping
that
local
theme,
so
it
wouldn't
require
any
ventilation
or
cooking
facilities
or
anything
like
that.
B
Okay,
and
do
you
want
to
say
some
more
on
there?
You
know,
as
it's
been
pointed
out,
the
main
objections.
One
of
them
seems
to
be
the
sound
and
noise
issues
and
any
plans
for
music
or
how
to
mitigate
against
noise
issues,
certainly
to
neighboring
properties
in
the
arcade
itself.
F
Yeah
sure
I
mean,
as
has
been
mentioned
before,
we
have
no
intention
to
become
a
call
colon
greek
street
kind
of
bar,
where
you
know
where
music
is
one
of
the
main
themes,
so
the
music
we'll
be
playing
this
coming
evening.
F
Obviously,
but
the
music
that
we
play
on
evening
will
be
no
different
in
terms
of
volume
to
what
it
is
now,
when
we're
open
as
a
barber
shop
and
in
the
18
months
we've
been
here,
we've
never
had
a
single
complaint
about
the
noise,
so
it
wouldn't
be
any
greater
or
lesser
than
it
currently
is,
but
certainly
I
mean
if
it
was.
If
there
was
to
be
a
problem,
then
you
know
we.
F
We
can
certainly
find
ways
to
mitigate
that,
but,
as
it
stands
now,
it
would
be
no
louder
than
we
are
during
the
day.
Okay,.
B
And
the
arcade
closing
time
has
been
mentioned
and
you've
already
mentioned
something
you're
winding
down
it's
six,
while
seven,
the
the
application
itself
goes
till
2
a.m,
which
appears
just
just
taking
the
opportunity.
What
some
of
the
objectives
have
said
to
that
2am
to
be
quite
a
jump,
can
you
comment
on
that
arcade
closing
time
and
and
whether
that
and
whether
your
plans
go
against?
What's
what
looks
to
have
been
agreed
again
just
reading
from
the
objects
objects
in
comments.
F
Yeah
sure
I
mean
the
arcade
at
the
moment
and
james
conquered
me
from
one
I
think
we
shot
at
11
o'clock
and
that
was
different
during
doing
lockdown.
It
may
have
been
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
I
think
standardly
it
should
be
11
a.m.
We're
unique
in
the
arcade
as
much
as
we
have
a
dual
entrance.
We
have
an
entrance
where
you
can
access
by
the
arcade
and
we
have
a
backdoor
entrance
that
goes
through
it
out
onto
central
street,
which
also
doubles
up
as
a
fire
door.
F
No,
no,
in
fact
I
I
would
imagine
that
as
soon
as
we
made
the
transition
from
barbershop
into
bar,
we
would
stop
using
the
arcade
entrance
all
together
to
keep
traffic
away
from
the
arcade
completely.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
that
was
it
from
me
councillor,
wenoma
hutchinson,
do
you
have
anything
else
based
on
those.
A
Yes,
sorry,
yes,
I
do.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
appropriate
onto
the
coronavirus
and
what
steps
are
they
taking
to
keep
the
distance
in.
F
Sorry,
I
couldn't
if
I
moved
the
same
steps
that
we're
taking
now
as
a
barber
shop,
so
all
of
our
areas
are
mapped
out
to
two
meters
distance
and
that
would
continue
in
the
bath
as
long
as
those
regulations
stay
in
place,
I
mean,
god
knows
when,
when
that
is,
but
it's
looking
startled
until
next
year,
we've
spent
a
small
fortune
in
all
of
our
shops
on
ppe.
All
of
that
is
in
place.
Numbers
in
and
numbers
out
in
terms
of
customers
that
are
being
served
would
all
be
in
regulation.
F
We've
covered,
we've
been
covered
compliant
since
the
first
lockdown,
and
that
would
be
no
different
now,
with
the
grant
of
this
license.
C
Yeah
thanks
chair,
most
of
the
representation
appears
to
be
coming
from.
Flamingos
have
since
you've
been
operating
as
a
barber's
shop.
I
think
the
last
eight
months
have
you
had
any
incidents
or
complaints
directly
from
them.
F
No
not
as
far
away
me
and
jim
speak.
We
speak
relatively
regularly.
Obviously
we'll
be
next
one.
It's
actually
18
months,
we've
been
in
this
location
when
we
were
doing
the
short
fit
out.
James
had
some
concerns,
understandably,
so
it
was
very,
very
noisy
and
there
was
no
way
of
getting
around
that.
So
we
had
to
work
together
then,
but
in
terms
of
real
objections
from
james,
I
I
can't
think
of
any
unless
you
can
correct
me
on
that.
B
You,
okay,
thank
you!
I'm
gonna
assume!
That's
it
from
members.
For
mr
smedley.
That's
fine!
Thank
you
so
on
to
james
now,
are
you
able
to
present
your
case,
as
you
said,
with
the
witnesses
for
up
to
20
minutes?
As
you
said
earlier,
between
the
between
a
lot
of
you,
although
as
individual
objectives,
you
could
take
20
minutes
each
but
before
I
said,
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
James.
H
H
I
think
the
speaker's
on
yeah
so
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
for
inviting
me
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
you
through
some
of
the
negative
impacts.
This
proposal
could,
as
it
stands
without
any
restrictions
have
on
the
lgbt
community
in
leeds,
and
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I'm
not
objecting
in
full.
You
know
so
long
as
appropriate
measures
are
in
place
for
our
safety,
as
set
out
in
my
evidence,
which
I'm
going
to
give.
I
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
stop
this
in
its
tracks.
H
It
sounds
like
it
could
be
a
fantastic
addition
to
the
area,
but
with
the
right
safeguards
in
place.
You
know.
I
appreciate
that
they're
saying
it's
not
going
to
be
a
rowdy
bar
like
on
call
lane,
but
I
need
those
safeguards
because
we
are
nervous
and
obviously
we
need
it
set
in
stone
that
we've
got
those
safeguards
in
place
so
prior
to
so
I
want
to
give
you
a
bit
of
background
as
well.
H
So,
prior
to
the
opening
of
flamingo's
coffee
house,
there
were
no
specifically
lgbt
plus
dry
venues
in
leeds
city
center
or
in
the
freedom
quarter,
which
is
the
name
given
to
the
gay
quarter
in
the
city,
which
is
about
100
meters,
away
from
where
we're
situated
in
2016-17,
leeds
city
council
consulted
lgbt
people
around
leeds
to
find
out
what
is
important
to
them
about
lgbt
lgbt
communities
in
the
city
and
what
assets
already
exist
and
where
the
gaps
might
be
and
produce
the
reports
with
their
findings.
H
There
were
comments
throughout
the
survey
that
indicated
that
for
many
existing
lgbt
spaces
in
the
gay
scene,
weren't
emotionally
or
physically,
safe
or
accessible,
for
example,
many
of
the
venues
don't
have
disabled
access,
so
they're
not
step
free
or
don't
have
a
stable
toilet,
which
we
have
and
furthermore,
many
felt
that
the
lgbt
scene
was
far
too
bar
focused
and
commented
that
there
were
no
venues
for
people
to
socialize.
It
didn't
revolve
around
alcohol
and
obviously,
for
some
people.
H
Alcohol-Free
and
dry
spaces
were
implicitly
a
safer
space,
and
this
was
related
to
the
recognition
that
abusive
and
problematic
drinking
and
drug
taking
disproportionately
affects
the
lgbt
people,
and
you
know
for
some
lgbt
people
recovering
from
problematic
drinking
the
lack
of
spaces
that
were
not
bars
or
clubs,
not
that
they
had
a
limited
access
to
lgbt
social
lives
and
leads
which
increased
the
risk
of
isolation
and
loneliness.
So
in
response
to
these
reports,
flamingos
coffee
house
was
set
up.
H
Indeed,
in
the
most
recent
report
prior
to
its
opening,
which
was
approved
by
the
lead
city
council
executive.
They
noted
that
there
was
a
lack
of
spaces
such
as
what
we
provided
from
england's
coffee
houses,
and
so
any
licensing
decision
made
today
or
in
the
future
should
not
be
made
which
clearly
contradicts
or
damages
the
stated
aims
of
the
lead
city,
council,
lgbt
plus
inclusive
city
plan,
since
we've
opened
flamingos,
has
become
a
huge
asset
to
the
community,
so
many
groups
come
to
use
the
space.
H
Such
groups
include
hidea,
lgbt
muslim
group,
friends
of
dorothy,
which
is
a
group
for
older,
isolated,
lgbt
people
leads
by
group.
Trans
leads
mesmack,
which
is
a
charity
for
lgbt
sexual
health
services
in
yorkshire.
African
rainbow
family,
which
helps
the
ama
lgbt
folks
who
are
in
crisis,
leads
angels
of
freedom,
which
is
a
street
support,
team
and
people
in
action,
which
is
an
lgbt
support
group
for
disabled
people.
H
Obviously,
the
list
could
really
go
on,
but
they're,
just
a
few
of
the
groups
who
have
held
events
in
the
past
or
meet
here
at
flamingos
regularly.
Obviously,
pre-coded
flamingos
really
is
a
community
hub
for
the
lgbt
community
and
you're,
probably
going
to
be
asking.
How
is
this
relevant
to
the
application
I'll
go
on
to
explain
that
for
you?
H
My
first
major
concern
relates
to
licensing
objective
3,
which
is
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance
relating
to
noise,
and
since
the
occupy
has
been
in
the
premises,
we've
had
some
minor
noise
issues
which
we
haven't
formally
gone
through
any
complaints
process
because
we've
just
gone
and
have
a
quick
chat
with
the
lads,
but
it
has
caused
disruption
to
some
customers
on
a
few
occasions.
Another
locate
other
local
businesses
and
to
my
staff-
and
I
I
understand
that
other
businesses
in
the
arcade
have
voiced
their
concerns
in
their
own
written
submissions.
H
So
it's
not
just
me
on
this
matter,
and
the
walls
are
obviously
right
next
door
to
the
the
unit.
The
walls
are
not
particularly
thick.
Indeed,
most
of
the
sharp
exterior
is
glass
and
the
doors
are
often
open
to
the
the
unit
next
door,
with
a
which
obviously
has
a
sound
system
which,
because
it's
an
arcade,
it
obviously
travels
right
through
it
pre-covered
we
would
hold
events
in
our
shop
that
would
be
possibly
ruined
by
very
loud
music.
H
For
example,
community
book
clubs,
spoken,
word,
poetry,
evenings
support,
groups
for
older
people
and
board
games
like
etc.
The
list
goes
on
and
I'll
be
inviting
a
few
witnesses
from
the
lgbt
community
to
speak
about
this
shortly
and
without
adequate
noise
prevention
measures
in
place.
I'm
concerned
and
as
my
customers
are,
that
those
visiting
the
venue
would
lose
their
right
to
quiet,
peaceful
enjoyment
and
would
ruin
some
of
these
events
in
the
tranquility
of
our
venue.
H
Obviously,
this
would
damage
the
viability
of
the
of
the
business
and
if
people
don't
want
to
come
here,
we
won't
be
able
to
pay
the
bills
and
we
we
could
possibly
go
under
in
many
written
submissions
and
objections
from
my
patrons
regarding
the
application
they've
concerned
that
my
concern
they've,
confirmed
sorry
that
these
concerns
are
real.
H
In
order
to
resolve
this
objection,
I
would
ask
that
you
impose
some
licensing
conditions
that
will
reduce
the
noise
impact.
Firstly,
I
would
ask
that
the
doors
from
the
premises
that
enter
into
central
arcade-
I
know
niela,
said
they've
got
two
doors,
so
the
doors
enter
into
the
arcade
directly
adjacent
my
shop
should
remain
closed
and
only
used
as
an
emergency
exit
during
the
hours
for
which
they
have
applied
to
supply
alcohol
and
have
music,
I
believe,
that's
set
out
in
the
the
details
of
that
set
out
in
the
application.
H
Secondly,
that
the
wall
directly
next
to
my
shop
has
noise
prevention
measures
I
soundproofing
put
in
place
and
thirdly,
limiting
noise
permitted
before
9
am
ie
a
normal
pre-covered
closing
time
there
could
be
a
crossover
between
the
sort
of
seven
to
nine
o'clock
period
in
the
evening,
and
that
does
concern
me
and
obviously,
if
these,
if
these
measures
are
strictly
followed,
it
could
remove
all
these
possible
negative
impacts
on
flamingo's
coffee
house.
H
H
Central
arcade
and
surrounding
area
has
already
had
a
significant
problem
with
anti-social
behavior,
particularly
relating
to
drugs,
and
dealing
drug
dealing
in
the
consumption
of
alcohol
on
the
street,
which
can
be
seen
in
documents
from
the
police
and
your
committee
papers.
I
will
be
concerned
that
this
issue
could
be
made
worse.
It
is
important
to
know
that
flamingos
were
specifically
set
up
as
a
dry
venue,
and
we
are
unique
and
relied
upon
by
sober
lgbt
folk
who
have
nowhere
else
on
the
scene
to
go,
as
my
witnesses
will
testify
shortly.
H
We
are
located
in
central
okay
to
be
away
from
the
boozy
bars
and
clubs,
and
if
you
look
at
the
city
center
cumulative
impact
policy
documents
in
your
committee
papers,
central
arcade
does
not
have
any
licensed
premises
within
it,
and
certainly
non-nearby
that
are
open
during
the
same
times
as
lost
to
c
propose.
So
this
could,
if
not
managed
properly,
be
a
new
anti-social,
behavior
issue
for
us.
H
A
way
to
mitigate
this
fervor
could
be
a
licensing
condition
that
door
staff
are
in
place
from
seven
p.m
in
each
evening
that
they
are
open
and
selling
alcohol,
with
a
specific
additional
responsibility
to
prevent
anti-social,
behavior
and
loitering
within
the
arcade
and
outside
flamingos
coffee
house.
Now
we
as
businesses
within
central
arcade
employees,
security
staff
until
7pm,
so
I'm
confident
that
so
long
as
we've
got
these
other
measures
in
place
until
7pm
we've
got
an
issue
a
way
to
deal
with
that
from
7
p.m.
Till
9
pm
we
are
open.
H
We
don't
seem
to
have
anything
in
place.
I
really
don't
think
that
we
should
have
to
put
up
with
any
potential
public
nuisance,
and
this
seems
like
a
pragmatic
way
to
deal
with
it,
as
many
venues
often
do
have
score
staff
anyway.
So
that's
the
the
the
end
of
my
first
part
of
my
evidence.
I
just
want
to
invite
the
three
witnesses
to
come
forward
before
I
continue
my
presentation.
So
if
I'd
like
to
present
leon
fleming,
who
just
for
one
or
two
minutes,
is
going
to
put
something
forward
now.
J
Hi
thanks
james
yeah,
I'm
leon
fleming
as
someone
who
works
in
the
lgbtq
plus
community
as
a
chair
of
bradford
pride,
trustee
of
an
lgbtq
plus
charity
and
community
hub
equity
partnership
in
bradford,
and
also
co-running.
One
of
the
community
groups
that
uses
flamingos
and
I
have
an
understanding
of
how
important
dry
spaces
are
to
our
community.
Leeds
has
only
a
handful
of
lgbtq
plus
spaces,
and
only
one
of
them
flamingos
is
dry.
J
Not
everyone
wants
to
be
around
alcohol
or
is
comfortable
in
alcohol-based
venues,
and
many
in
our
community
are
not
even
old
enough
to
go
in
these
venues,
which
makes
flamingos
uniquely
important
to
the
lgbtq
plus
community
in
leeds
the
community
group
in
leeds.
I
work
with
uses
flamingos
pre-covid
for
our
late
evening
socials
and
to
do
work
which
supports
other
areas
of
the
lgbtq
plus
community.
In
leeds
we
have
regular
condom
packing
socials
to
help
out
local
lgbtq
plus
sexual
health
charity.
Yorkshire,
messmak.
J
I
feel
quite
sure
that
many
of
our
members
would
be
uncomfortable
with
having
to
pass
straight
people
who
have
been
drinking
to
get
flamingos.
The
the
risk
of
homophobic
and
transphobic
abuse
is
goes
goes
much
higher
when
people,
when
straight
people,
have
been
drinking
and
then
to
be
affected
by
the
noise
from
the
bar
once
their
inside
flamingos.
J
Many
other
cities
in
the
uk
have
their
own
lgbtq,
plus
community
spaces,
bradford
hall,
birmingham
and
manchester,
but
leeds
doesn't
and
for
a
community
our
size,
that's
pretty
bad,
but
it
does
have
flamingos,
which
is
the
nearest
thing
we
have
to
it.
There's
lots
and
lots
of
straight
bars
in
leeds,
but
there
is
only
one
dry
community,
lgbtq
plus
community
space
and
that's
flamingos,
and
I
think
this
bar
puts
flamingos
at
risk.
Thank
you.
H
Thanks
liam
for
that,
if
I
can
just
ask
that
the
next
two
witnesses
that
I
call
up
just
keep
their
things
to
about
90
seconds,
obviously,
if
you've
got
more
to
say,
you've
obscured
your
own
separate
time.
If
you
wish
to
do
that,
but
I'm
just
conscious
I've
got
things.
I
also
need
to
go
through,
but
thank
you
leon.
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
can
now
invite
natasha
hanley
who's.
A
trustee
and
founder
of
trans
leads
to
speak.
I
Yeah
hi
everyone,
so
I'm
one
of
the
founders
of
trans
pride
leads
amateur
city
of
transleads,
which
is
a
support,
and
advocacy
group
for
the
trans
community
in
leeds
flamingos
is
a
valuable
space
for
the
trans
community.
It
is
the
only
quiet
space
away
from
the
hustle
and
bustle
of
the
bars
where
trans
people
can
meet
up
to
chat
and
socialize.
I
Transleads
runs
events
and
support
groups
there
for
vulnerable
people,
and
I
bring
people
their
one-to-one
support
sessions.
We
consider
it
a
safe
environment.
I
worry
about
the
safety
of
our
service
users.
Should
a
bar
open
next
door.
Many
of
our
service
users
are
yet
to
come
out
as
trans
or
in
the
very
early
stages
of
their
transition.
I
I
worry
that
if
there's
a
bar
next
door,
they
are
more
likely
to
be
harassed
or
receive
negative
attention
from
people
who
have
been
drinking
which
can
have
long
lasting
effects
on
their
confidence
and
may
even
stop
them
from
transitioning
out
of
fear
for
how
they
will
be
seen
or
fear
for
their
safety.
These
are
legitimate
concerns
as
hate
crime
against
trans
people
is
more
than
trebled
in
west
yorkshire.
In
the
last
three
years,
additionally,
some
of
our
service
users
are
autistic.
We
have
audio
processing
issues
and
so
get
overwhelmed
by
lab
environments.
I
We
simply
wouldn't
be
able
to
continue
running
support
groups
or
events
at
flamingos
if
there
was
a
noisy
bar
next
door,
and
that
would
be
a
tragedy
as
it's
the
only
quiet
dry
space
for
lgbt
people
in
leeds,
as
previous
people
have
said,
and
for
children
and
young
people,
especially
it
is
the
only
place
they
can
go
to
socialize
at
all.
So
I
hope
you'll
consider
these
issues
in
your
decision.
Thank
you.
A
A
This
is
apparently
because
these
groups
are
specifically
advertised
to
certain
minorities
and
people
with
protective
characteristics
such
as
lgbtq
plus
muslims,
who
often
have
nowhere
else
to
go.
People
recover
from
addiction
and
people
have
recently
left
prison
who
might
have
restrictions
on
where
they're
going
to
go
about
moving
message.
Numbers
will
stop
these
people
attending
as
they
may
not
want
to
be,
or
cannot
be
next
to
a
place
that
sells
alcohol.
A
The
nature
of
these
groups
also
relies
on
flinders,
quiet,
location
writing,
groups
and
performance
workshops
need
to
run
in
venues
that
people
can
be
heard
easily
and
are
not
like
to
be
interrupted
due
to
domingo's
being
just
off
the
beaten
track.
This
is
a
perfect
venue
for
this
kind
of
group
in
a
time
where
the
answer
is
very
little.
A
Funding
noisy
band
next
door
by
way
of
loud
music
and
our
patrons
make
it
possible
to
run
these
groups,
and
some
of
these
groups
are
the
only
ex
fully
accessible
groups
in
leeds
because
most
of
them
run
in
bars
that
are
not
accessible.
A
Having
a
bar
next
door
would
also
reduce
the
accessibility
of
flamingos
and,
as
you
can
probably
tell,
I
am
a
disabled
person.
Flamingos
is
the
only
dry
and
fully
accessible
face
available
after
8
pm
for
free
and
as
many
people
in
the
lgbtq
community
are
disabled.
It's
worth
pointing
out
that
approximately
80
of
the
whole
population
disabled,
but
a
third
of
lgbtq
people
are
disabled.
A
H
Lovely
thank
you
very
much
faith
for
that,
and
hopefully
the
the
committee
members
have
seen
the
strength
of
feeling
and
how
important
that
our
venue
really
is
to
the
community.
So
that's
that
part
of
my
evidence.
I've
just
got
a
couple
of
other
points
that
I
want
to
raise
now.
H
So
I
believe
that
representations
that
have
been
made
to
lead
city
council
may
not
fully
reflect
the
plans
that
lost
at
sea
could
have
neil
the
owner
very
kindly
sat
me
down
and
showed
me
his
plans
for
the
venue,
and
I
do
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
they
match
the
details
within
the
licensing
application
now,
obviously
within
the
application.
H
Bear
with
me.
Sorry,
where
are
my
notes?
It's
so
easy.
Let's
have
a
look
in
the
plan
submitted
to
the
council.
It
only
shows
that
part
of
the
venue
being
used
for
the
for
applied
for
for
the
use
of
license
of
licensable
activities.
I
had
the
area.
H
On
the
left
of
the
drawing
you've
been
provided
by
the
applicant,
my
concerns
are
that
when
I
spoke
to
nearly
said
that
they
were
hoping
to
use
the
whole
venue
for
licensing
activities
and
indeed
the
solicitor
today
when
he
introduced
the
case,
indicated
in
his
initial
comments
that
customers
are
invited
to
have
a
drink
whilst
having
their
hair
cut.
H
Obviously
the
cutting
doesn't
happen
in
the
area
that
they've
asked
for
the
license,
so
it
seems
to
suggest
that
the
activities
then
may
be
bigger
than
what
the
application
is
suggesting
and
obviously
west
yorkshire
police
have
said
that
there
needs
to
be
at
least
20
seats.
Well,
if
any
of
the
members
have
come
in
to
have
a
look
at
the
venue,
I
think
it'd
be
very
difficult
for
20
seats
to
be
fit
within
the
area
of
the
application.
H
So
perhaps
it
is
the
case
that
the
whole
venue
is
wanting
to
be
used
for
alcohol
and
not
just
the
small
area.
I
don't
think
they're
intended
to
mislead
anyone
at
all.
I
don't
believe
that
one
bit.
I
think
it
might
be
a
misunderstanding,
but
we
do
need
to
get
clarification
on
this,
because
the
implications
of
this
far
larger
proposal
could
be
significantly
more
damaging
to
flamingos.
H
My
second
and
final
point
I
wish
to
make
now
is
is
a
related
point,
and
it's
concerns
about
licensing
objective,
three
public
safety
specifically
to
fire
safety.
Now,
hopefully,
the
members
have
had
a
quick
look,
but,
having
looked
at
the
plan
submitted
to
lead
city
council,
I
do
not
believe
that
the
fire
safety
plan
submitted
reflect
the
reality
of
the
premises,
and
I
believe
that
the
property
is
not
fire
safe
and
therefore
poses
a
risk
to
both
the
safety
of
my
business
and
also
to
their
customers.
H
And
let
me
just
explain
further.
The
fire
safety
diagram
they've
submitted
as
part
of
the
application
shows
that
there
is
more
than
one
exit
either
main
door
at
the
top
left
of
the
diagram
and
also
the
bottom
right.
The
landlord
has
confirmed
to
me
that
lost
to
sea
is
not
connected
to
the
main
shopping
center
fire
system,
which
means
that
one
of
the
fire
exits
is
potentially
obstructed
during
some
of
the
proposed
opening
hours.
H
This
is
because,
during
the
opening
hours
of
7am
to
9pm,
the
main
external
entrance
exit
shutters
for
the
central
arcade
shopping
center
are
open.
If
there
was
a
fire
during
these
hours,
then
both
proposed
exits
would
be
usable
as
the
bottom
right
exit
leads
to
central
arcade
itself,
and
the
external
shutters
would
be
open
and
thus
be
a
clear
exit
if
there
was
a
fire
outside
of
these
hours,
either
between
9
pm
and
7
pm.
H
H
I'm
also
slightly
concerned
about
the
sprinkler
system,
because,
obviously,
if
there
was
a
fire
in
that
unit,
my
unit
would
be
the
next
door,
one
which
would
be
most
likely
to
be
affected
if
there
was
a
fire
which
wasn't
fully
contained,
and
in
order
for
my
objections
to
be
resolved,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
full
assessment
of
of
this.
Your
officers
have
already
advised
me
and
obviously
said
earlier
on
that
the
west
yorkshire
fire
service
have
not
already
said
they
wish
to
make
any
comment.
H
Sorry,
your
officers
have
already
advised
that
west
yorkshire
fire
service
have
said
they
don't
wish
to
make
any
comments,
but
the
above
concerns
are
not
apparent
within
the
application
and
shows
there
could
be
significant
risks
which
has
been
overlooked.
I've
therefore
passed
my
concerns
and
new
evidence
to
west
yorkshire
fighter
service,
who
have
not
yet
had
the
time
to
consider
the
matter.
H
That
concludes
my
representation.
I've
got
one
more
minute
to
go.
All
I
want
to
do
is
to
finish
and
say
I
want
to
highlight
a
few
paragraphs
taken
from
the
objections
you've
received
from
the
public,
so
the
first
one
is
that
lots
of
patrons
will
be
obviously
queer,
and
I
myself
have
worries
patrons
next
door
appearing
at
us
like
they
are
at
the
zoo.
Second
quote:
flamingos
is
very
important
venue
and
it
is
the
only
lgbtq
dry
space
in
leeds.
There
are
lots
of
bars
already.
H
This
is
the
only
lgbtq
drive
space
and,
finally,
one
of
the
things
that
makes
us
feel
safe
is
knowing
that
we
aren't
going
to
be
crowds
of
drunk
people
gathered
outside
of
an
evening
that
there
isn't
going
to
be
music
blasting
through
the
vicinity
and
that
we
have
somewhere
safe
to
go
where
we
can
be
ourselves
without
fear.
Flamingos
is
a
vital
part
of
our
community
and
a
city
that
prides
itself
on
its
inclusivity
to
lgbt
people
allowing
a
bar
to
open
these
premises
would
be
an
incredibly
counter-intuitive
and
cruel
decision.
H
B
Thank
you
james
and
thank
you
witnesses.
Thank
you,
leon,
faye
and
natasha.
Any
questions
from
my
colleagues
first
of
all
said
james.
Our
witnesses.
C
Yeah,
yes,
please
major
I've
been
while
you're,
making
your
representation
sort
of
frantically
scribbling
down
questions
and
I've
got
a
few
for
the
representation
also
for
the
applicant
as
well.
Maybe
after
we're
finished
with
james.
Firstly,
I
I
mean
I
may
have
missed
it
in
my
apologies,
your
actual
opening
times
of
flamingos.
H
C
Right,
okay
and
you
there's
been
mention
of
complaints
with
regards
to
the
noise,
but
no
formal
complaints
have
been
sort
of
taken
up
with
the
barber
shop
in
the
last
18
months.
Have
you
had
any
other
reason
to
complain
around
any
sort
of
homophobic
behavior
from
the
barbershop.
H
Personally,
I
haven't
seen
it
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
neil
would
probably
fire
anyone.
That
was
like
that
to
be
fair,
I
I
trusted
neil
in
that
when
he
says
he
wants
to
be
inclusive,
he
does
want
to
be
inclusive
and
I
don't
think
he'd
tolerate
any
activity
like
that,
but
certainly
the
complaints
that
we
have
made
they've
been
very
minor
regarding
noise
and
usually
they're
dealt
with
quite
quickly,
but
obviously
a
bar
is
very
different
proposal
to
work
to
a
barber
shop
and
that's
my
concern
going
forward.
C
Okay
and
then,
if
you
can
just
explain
to
me
on
the
on
the
map
that
we
have
is
the
regards,
it
shows
us
on
the
application
where
there
are
licensed
premises.
I
can
see
where
lost
at
c
is
whereabouts
is
flamingos?
Is
that
number
10
next
to.
C
C
H
C
H
No,
we
don't
have
any
issues
with
homophobic
businesses
at
all
in
the
area.
Obviously,
we
have
had
issues
with
homophobic
incidents
relating
to
drunkenness
and
drug
abuse,
which
is
obviously
a
an
issue
that
is
in
the
city
centre.
We
would
be
concerned,
as
I've
previously
outlined,
that
with
further
alcohol
licenses
granted
in
the
area,
if
not
managed
properly,
there
could
be
more
instances
of
homophobia.
C
Okay,
excellent,
I
think
that
kind
of
covers
my
questions,
for
you
mentioned
just
something
about
sprinklers.
I
mean
I'm
guessing
you
have
sprinklers
throughout
your
premises
and
so
do
lost
it
c.
H
Yeah
there
is
so,
as
I
wanted
to
see
clarification
on
this,
because
all
of
the
units
in
central
arcade
are
connected
to
the
fired
panel
and
are
connected
to
the
sprinkler
system.
I
I
wanted
to
get
clarification
on
this
from
the
landlord,
and
this
was
confirmed
in
writing,
which
I
did
submit
to
the
the
licensing
committee
in
writing.
That
was
a
confirmation
from
the
landlord
that
lost
at
sea
have
have
neither,
which
was
why
I
was
concerned
and
wanted
to
raise
it
as
a
as
a
concern
officers
the
neighboring
unit.
H
If
there
was
a
fire,
I
would
be
the
first
one
who
would
be
likely
to
be
find
that,
as
you
know,
be
impacted
and
the
only
way
that
would
be
connected
and
set
off
my
sprinklers.
If
there
was
a
system
was
if
they
were
connected
to
that
system,
which
currently
they
are
not.
B
E
Yeah,
it
was
some
additional
evidence
and
our
response
was
that
it's
not
relevant
to
an
application
for
a
premises
license
it's
enforced
by
west
shorts
fight
and
rescue
service
in
their
primary
legislation
for
dealing
with
breaches
of
fire
regulations,
which.
B
B
C
Well,
I
guess
that's
all
I
have
for
the
for
james.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
the
applicant,
so
I
don't
know
if
maybe
you
want
to
maybe
have
some
more
questions
for
james
and
I'll
come
on
to
the
applicant
afterwards,.
A
For
mine
for
james
the
fight,
it
was
about
fire
and
that's
been
answered,
but
one
more
question
that
says
the
open,
flamingo
land
opens
early
in
the
morning.
What
time.
H
We
usually
open
at
8
a.m
in
the
morning
pre-covered.
Obviously,
when
we
finish
from
kobe
that's
the
time
we
wish
to
go
back
to.
B
Thank
you,
and
I
mean
councillor
hutchinson,
has
covered
most
of
my
question.
I
was
going
to
ask:
do
you
get
any
issues
not
just
from
from
neighboring
businesses,
but
I
suppose
passes
by
through
the
arcade
or
or
surrounding,
and
but
I
think
you've
answered
that
james
unless
you've
anything
else
to
to
add
on
that.
With
regards
to
any
you
know:
transphobic
homophobic,
any
abuse
or
trouble.
I.
H
H
B
A
B
I
have
one
too
I'll
cancel
one
of
them.
Should
we
mix
it
up,
cancel
one
of
them
first
and
then
we'll
go
and
see
yourself.
A
G
Yeah
can
I
can
I
assist
with
that
neil.
If
you
just
let
me
just
deal
with
this
point
councillor,
we
did
offer
a
condition.
Nine
in
the
premises
license
application
that
we
would
have
door
supervisors
from
a
key
time,
but
also
when
risk
assessed
as
being
needed.
G
So
we
we
are
going
to
have
door
supervisors
we're
going
to
have
them
at
the
impactful
times,
and
we
will
risk
assess
that
and
I'm
sure
neil
will
confirm
that
if
james
would
like
to
be
included
in
that
risk
assessment,
then
we
would
talk
to
james
as
well
to
make
sure
that
he's
happy
with
when
your
supervisors
are
provided.
I
think
neil
might
be
able
to
just
confirm
that
yeah.
G
Well,
in
agreement
with
the
police
in
relation
to
this
matter,
we've
agreed
that
the
door
supervisor
should
be
in
place
from
10
o'clock.
10
p.m,
2200
hours,
but
but
obviously
james
has
talked
about
areas
where
there
might
be
a
gap
in
making
sure
that
there
is
proper
coverage.
So
I
think
once
we're
open.
We
see
how
the
the
customer
base
is.
G
It's
very
encouraging
that
james
feels
that
neil's
the
kind
of
person
to
make
sure
that
none
of
his
staff
or
customers
behave
in
such
a
way
that
any
of
james
or
his
visitors
to
the
premises
would
feel
uncomfortable.
That's
something
that
we
would
risk
assess.
It
would
be
dynamic.
It
would
be
ongoing
if
it
needed
to
change.
C
C
F
C
F
C
F
No
I've
been
operating
this
in
my
10th
year
of
operation
and
we've
had
any
police
involvement
for
any
matter,
least
of
all
for
narcotics
or
alcohol.
C
Great,
thank
you.
Okay,
then,
just
quickly
going
on
to,
if
you
could,
there's
also
mention
about
the
the
premises,
and
I
know
from
the
premises
that
we
we've
been
given
a
pdf
of
the
layout
and
the
red
line
obviously
dictates
the
licensed
area,
I'm
guessing
the
other
area,
that's
to
the
right-hand.
C
G
Yeah,
no,
I
I'm
sure
neil
can
deal
with
it
in
greater
detail,
but
I
had
made
a
note
of
this.
The
licensable
activities
will
only
take
place
where
we're
applying
for
them
to
take
place.
If
I
was
clumsy
in
the
way
I
described
so
if,
if
I
I
don't
have
enough
hair
to
need
to
go
and
use
the
barbers
anymore,
but
if
I
was
going
to
the
barbers
to
use
it
and
I
wanted
to
have
a
drink,
then
in
the
area
that's
licensed,
I
could
have
a
beer.
G
While
I
was
waiting
to
get
my
hair
cut
or
after
I'd
had
it
cut,
and
then
that
will
be
the
area
where
the
bar
will
be
so
we're
not
seeking
this
application
is
seeking
to
license
the
area
which
is
covered
by
the
layout
plan
and
certainly
we've
agreed
those
20
seats
conditioned
with
the
police
that
were
very
comfortable
that
that
can
take
place.
I
don't
know
whether
neil
can
just
confirm
those
issues
too.
F
Yeah,
no,
that's
absolutely
right,
so
I
mean
during
the
day
time,
whilst
the
battleship
is
being
used
for
its
main
function
as
a
barber
shop.
Obviously
it
will
be
used
as
a
barber
shop.
Customers
are
offered
or
would
be
offered
on
ground
of
license
be
as
with
their
cuts,
but
it
wouldn't
be
for
sale,
and
the
area
actually
sat
in
would
specifically
be
the
bar
area.
We
would
hope
that
once
the
the
barbershop
begins
to
shut
down
that,
we
can
also
use
that
for
patients
to
sit
in
there
and
enjoy
drink
also.
C
Okay
and
is
without
me,
sort
of
quickly
looking
at
the
planning
up.
Sorry,
the
licensing
application.
Is
there
any
application
for
office
sales
and
is
there
anything
going
to
be
relating
to
maybe
cafe
street
licensing.
G
Off
sales,
I
think,
is
included
in
the
application,
but
we
we,
I
don't
think
at
this
stage,
we're
looking
for
a
pavement
license,
that's
not
something
that
we
would
be
looking
for.
It
is
it's
not
during
the
day
time
when
that
would
be
appropriate.
The
main
focus
of
the
business
is
for
it
to
be
obviously
a
barbershop,
so
I
think
I'm
right
neal,
we
wouldn't
be
looking
for
a
pavement
license.
No.
F
C
Okay
and
then
just
again
onto
the
onto
the
the
licensing
area,
you
kind
of
made
reference.
Is
there
any
opportunity,
or
is
there
a
consideration
that
if
this
is
granted
that
the
variation
may
be
applied
for
for
more
of
the
premises
to
be
used.
G
No,
no,
that
that's
that's
not
for
consideration.
I've
not
been
instructed
on
anything
past.
Today's
hearing-
that's
that's
all
so.
I've
done
a
site
visit.
I've
met
neil
and
his
business
partner.
We've
looked
at
what
we
want
to
achieve,
and
this
is
the
first
time
that's
ever
been
mentioned,
but
the
obviously
come
up
by
the
objectives.
There's
no
intention!
This
is
what
we
want
to
do
with
the
premises.
We've
been
very
open
with
the
responsible
authorities,
and
I
think
neil's
obviously
spoken
to
james,
so.
C
Okay
and
then
just
for
a
bit
of
satisfaction
with
regards
to
the
the
fire
risk
assessment,
although
it
doesn't
really
sort
of
form
part
of
our
decisions
today,
but
I'm
guessing
a
fire
risk
assessment
will
be
conducted
or
has
been
conducted
and
that
all
the
requirements
are
put
in
place
to
ensure
public
safety
and
client
safety.
G
G
That
risk
assessment
will
then
be
served
on
the
lice
at
the
fire
officer.
If
there's
anything
wrong
with
it,
then
we
would
at
worst
get
a
prohibition
notice
served
on
us.
So
the
concerns
that
james
quite
rightly
has
put
before
you
will
be
addressed
through
the
right
function,
which
is
through
the
risk
assessment,
and
we
won't
be
able
to
operate
until
we've
got
that
done
and
signed
off.
C
B
Thank
you
and
again
I
shouldn't
keep
offering
these
out,
because
you
keep
on
asking
my
questions,
but
the
the
only
other
one
I
wanted
to
well
actually
a
bit
of
a
follow-on
from
councillor
hutchinson's
there
for
the
risk
assessment,
and
you
know,
barring
something
really
awful
being
found
where
you
would
have
a
prohibition
notice
or
have
to
do
some
major
works.
Would
you
be
willing
to
to
work
with
james
and
any
of
the
other
sort
of
neighboring
neighboring
units
just
to
reassure
them
about
a
higher
risk
assessment?
I.
G
B
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
trust
about
smoking
area
as
well,
especially
with
potential.
Well.
It
sounds
as
though
the
the
one
door
in
and
out
will
be
on
the
outside,
rather
than
through
the
arcade,
and
what
your
plans
with
regards
to
a
smoking
area,
especially
if
there's
concerns
from
between,
say
seven
and
nine.
Where
would
people
be
congregating
to
smoke.
F
You
want
me
to
tell
that
parry.
Yes,
I
think
so
neil
well,
I
mean,
unfortunately,
I'm
a
non-smoker,
but
several
of
my
staff
do
smoke
so
when
they
smoke
now
they
go
across.
The
road
outside
of
a
shop
was
called
bethany.
Taylor's,
which
is
just
outside
of
the
wi-fi
club
wifi
club,
have
their
own
smoking
area
by
the
bin
section
there,
and
currently
that
is
where
they
would
go.
It
seems
to
be
a
sensible
place.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
it
unless
there's
any
further
questions
for
mr
smedley
or
mr,
where
no
that's
my.
F
B
As
those
sort
of
answering
our
direct
questions,
if
it's,
if
it's
reported
in
james,
I
suppose
that
counts
as
some
of
your
10
minutes.
I
don't
know
if,
mr,
where
you
want
to,
if,
if
you're
quite
happy
for
neil
to
take
some
of
that,
I
don't
know
if
you
planned
all
of
it.
I
know.
H
B
You
do
pass
that
on
to
the
applicant
as
well.
So,
yes,
I
was
just
going
to
say:
do
you
want
to
sum
up
and
between
the
two
of
you
you've
got
you've
got
ten
firmer
minutes.
G
F
Yeah
thanks
buddy
yeah
well
in
terms
of
rebuttal
or
which
is
just
to
address
james's
points
which
are
obviously
valid
from
business
patients
perspectives.
King
ko
has
always
been
a
very
inclusive
space.
The
manager
of
the
lead
shop
here
is
a
gay
gentleman.
The
manager
of
our
york
shop
is
a
gay
woman.
Our
chief
artist
here
is
a
gay
woman,
lots
of
james
patrons
come
here.
We
have.
F
We
have
trans
customers
here
we
have
gay
customers
here
we
have
disabled
customers
here,
so
that
inclusivity
is
ingrained
into
the
into
the
dna
of
what
king
kobe
is.
So
that
wouldn't
be
an
issue
at
all
the
those
principles
in
terms
of
homophobia.
Transphobia
are
not
principles
that
we
as
a
plan
stand
for,
so
they
wouldn't
resonate
with
others
or
with
any
of
our
patrons
and
on
their
occasion
that
would
ever
rear
his
ugly
head.
It
would
be
dealt
with
incredibly
swiftly
and
this
they
certainly
wouldn't
be
welcome
to
be
customers
of
ours.
F
In
terms
of
the
noise
which
I
can
understand
is
is
a
big
issue.
We
currently
only
have
one
speaker
in
the
shop
which
is
about
the
size
of
an
a4
piece
of
paper.
We
don't
intend
on
upgrading
that
anytime
soon,
so
there
has
been
one
or
two
incidents.
When
james
had
to
come
in
and
say,
can
you
can
you
please
turn
the
music
down
which
really
has
come
on
the
back
of
the
naivety
of
my
staff?
This
is
a
great
track.
F
Put
it
up
and
we've
put
it
down
straight
away,
so
in
terms
of
noise
there
would
there
would
be
no
issue
with
that
whatsoever.
If
ever
that
was
an
issue,
james
is
perfectly
welcome
to
come
into
the
store,
raise
it
with
myself
and
as
long
as
it
was
a
valid
and
legitimate
complaint,
we're
very
reasonable
people.
You
know
we
would
listen
to
that
and
deal
with
it,
but
all
of
the
concerns
that
james
listed
our
concerns
for
us
too.
F
We
don't
want
to
add
to
to
anybody
feeling
unsafe
or
unwelcome
you
know,
and
we
if
we
could
mitigate
that
point,
you
know
with
jesus
we're
prepared
to
work
for
him.
You
know
some
of
the
evenings
that
he
hosts,
if
they
ever
got
oversubscribed
he'd,
be
welcome
to
host
them
here,
at
king
kobe
and
and
with
lost
at
sea.
G
If
the
license
is
granted,
james
is
actually
in
a
stronger
position
than
he
is
than
he
is
now,
because
we
we
have
that
condition
going
on
the
premises
license,
which
I,
which
I
hope,
gives
him
some
comfort
new
in
relation
to
the
noise
issues.
There's
there's,
I
think,
certain
aspects.
So
I
think,
during
the
day
when
the
premises
is
a
is
a
barbershop
salon.
G
When
alcohol
it
would
be
very
modest,
and
then
I
think,
as
neil's
pointed
out
to
you,
there's
then
a
period
where
the
premises
would
be
on
the
whole
closed
down,
tided
and
reopened.
There's
only
going
to
be
a
very
modest
crossover
of
time
when
james's
premises
are
still
open
and
when
we
are
gearing
up
to
become
a
bar,
which
is
creating
an
atmosphere
very
different
to,
for
example,
call
lane
as
neil's
highlighted
to
you
for
his
customer
base.
G
So
I
think
the
chances
of
any
impact
in
impacting
public
nuisance
terms
are
mitigated
by
those
timings
and
by
the
operation
that
we've
offered
in
the
operating
schedule.
But,
but
I
hope,
chair
members
of
the
committee,
more
than
anything
those
that
have
been
nervous
and
have
raised
concerns
and
you
as
a
licensing
subcommittee,
will
have
had
fabulous
comfort
from
neil
he's.
Somebody
who
wants
this
to
be
somewhere
different
somewhere
that
is
inclusive
and
somewhere.
That
creates
a
lovely
atmosphere
for
people
to
go
to
and
very
much
what
james
does
in
different
circumstances
next
door.
G
So
in
relation
to
the
licensing
application,
I
commend
it
to
you
as
being
in
line
with
the
local
policy,
in
line
with
the
section
182
guidance,
and
I
would
suggest
sure
that
what
you've
heard
and
what's
in
the
written
application
is
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
So
sorry
to
end
with
a
bit
of
legalese,
but
but
I
I
hope,
you've
got
the
passion
from
neil
and
the
comfort
that
he's
going
to
be
a
quality
neighbor
to
james
moving
forward.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
everyone,
so
what
the
subcommittee
will
now
move
into
a
private
session
and
to
deliberate
on
the
application.
H
B
Oh
and
yes,
I
think
we
did
did
we.
Yes,
we
did
say
that
sorry,
I
I
seen
you
for
two
minutes
on
the
end
of
the
witnesses.
So
again,
there's
a
misunderstanding:
there,
that's
fine
as
long
as
it's
fine
with
fellow
members
out
unless
they
didn't
misunderstand
at
all.
I
certainly
misunderstood
them,
for
it
was
a
final
after
your
witnesses.
D
H
C
To
chair,
I
I
agree
with
yourself
and
with
rob
brown
as
well.
My
assumption
was
the
two
minutes
when
the
witnesses
were
caught.
D
B
Okay,
that's
fine
as
you've
got,
and
it's
a
bit
easier
to
do
that
with
it
being
broadcast
as
well,
so
much
easier
than
it
used
to
be,
as
is
you're
right
james.
I
do
apologize
for
the
misunderstanding.
As
you
know,
it
is
set
out
in
the
procedure.
That's
why
I
think
we
all
assume
you
meant.
You
know
after
your
witnesses
spoke
as
part
of
your
time
there,
so
we
will
carrying
on.
We
will
be
going
into
private
session
to
deliberate
on
the
application.
B
Could
I
ask
that
everyone
to
stay
on
the
call
should
the
subcommittee
have
any
additional
questions,
and
especially
the
applicant
and
the
representative
and
licensing
officer?
If
there
are
any
additional
questions,
you'll
be
invited
back
into
the
main
meeting
minor
clerk
you'll
be
put
into
a
waiting
area
for
the
sake
of
the
zoom
call
at
the
moment,
harriet's.
A
Chair,
yes,
as
you
said,
members,
the
legal
officer
and
myself
will
now
move
into
a
breakout
room.
So
please
can
everybody
just
remain
in
the
meeting
and
you'll
be
placed
into
a
waiting
room
and
we'll
see
you
shortly.
Thank.
A
B
Thank
you,
everyone
for
your
patience,
we're
just
waiting
for
councillors
hutchinson
and
to
come
back
into
the
main
room,
and
then
it's
just
mr
smedley.
Mr
word
just
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
for
you
both
but
wait
for
the
other
two
members.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
B
A
Andy,
can
I
just
ask
if
it
says
that
counselor
wenin
is
still
in
the
breakout
room.
C
A
I
think
if
you
don't
mind
chair,
we'll
just
adjourn
briefly
and
I'll
just
try
and
get
hold
of
councillor
wenham.
If
that's
okay,.
B
That's
fine.
That
seems
best
if
only
for
the
live
stream.
A
B
That's
quite
okay,
I
think
we've
got
everyone
and
thank
you
again,
everyone
for
your
patience.
We
just
got
a
few
supplementary
questions
for
the
applicant
and
representative
and
one
it
should
be
quite
a
simple
one
and
the
other
involves
showing
the
plan
of
the
premises
on
the
screen
and
and
just
a
few
questions
around
that,
and
so
the
first
bit
is
around
under
18
year
olds
and
whether
they
would
be
on
the
premises
at
all,
either
during
the
day
or
or
the
evening.
F
During
the
day
time,
yes,
yes,
we
we
cut.
You
know
people's
hair,
that
under
18
on
an
evening
when
the
bar
becomes
primarily
become
a
bad
and
don't
know,
obviously
not
but
up
until
sort
of
seven
o'clock
on
an
evening,
and
there
is
the
potential
for
underweight
teams
to
be
in
the
barbershop,
but
bearing
in
mind
at
that
time
there
will
be
a
clear
distinction
between
the
two
areas
of
the
store.
B
Okay,
so
there'll
be
an
area
of
where
you're,
where
you've
already
set
yourself
offering
drinks
with
cuts
in
an
area
where
you're,
not
yes,
yeah,
absolutely.
F
Very
clear
I
mean
it's
not
even
like
the
door
landed,
they're,
two
kind
of
separate
entities
that
are
connected
by
a
kind
of
a
wide
copy
door,
but
during
the
day
time,
they're
completely
separate.
B
That's
fine,
thank
you
and
I
think
that
goes
into
andy.
Are
you
able
to
share
the
plan
on
screen
because
that
might
answer
some
questions
around
this
of
licensable
area
in
the
red
line
area
and
offering
drinks
with
cuts
which
seems
to
have
been
answered
there
by
you?
B
Could
you
just
go
over
the
red
line
area,
the
licensable
area,
where
you'd
normally
be
the
sort
of
the
barbershop
bit
and
the
two
entrances
as
well
and
so
where?
Where
they
lie-
and
I
know
it's
difficult
when
we
can't
point
on
screen
or
anything
like
that,
but
starting
with
the
the
arcade
entrance
and
we're
right
in
in
saying
that's
the
one
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
side
yeah,
that's
correct.
The
bottom.
F
B
So,
at
the
end,
when
you
say
the
entrance
is
going
to
be
to
central
street
when
you
become
the
main
bar,
that's
the
one
on
the
middle
left,
correct,
okay
and
you've,
just
confirmed
for
us
that
there's
going
to
be
two
quite
separate
areas
during
the
day,
presuming
that's
the
licensable
area
where
people
can
get
haircuts
in
with
the
red
line
and
the
other
side
they're.
Quite
the
right-hand
side,
that's
quite
sparse
and
empty,
but
assuming
it's
got.
B
Furniture
and
things
in
is
here
is
where
say
under
18s
will
be
getting
cuts
and
things
like
that.
Yeah
that's
correct!
Okay,
and
could
you
go
more?
Could
you
tell
us
more
about
the
off
sales
and
also
the
offering
drinks
with
cuts
and
where
people
can
go
with
that
open,
bottle
or
open?
You
know
poured
drink
when
they're
being
offered
that
with
a
cut
and
also
you're
off
the
intention
with
off
sales
as
well.
F
Yeah
sure
so
I
mean
so
when
we've
done
it,
the
entire
time
we've
been
opened
up
until
last
year,
when
we
were
informed
by
the
licensing
committee.
Actually
we
weren't
able
to
do
it.
We
were
naive
on
that
point,
so
we
ceased
to
do
it
immediately,
but
it's
a
common
thing
with
barber
shops.
So
when
one
of
the
customers
comes
in
because
we're
quite
a
premium
shop
and
they're
offered
a
drink
that
was
either
usually
a
coffee
or
a
small
cheap.
F
So
they
were
offered
that
when
they
came
in,
if
they
suggest
they
were
able
to
have
one,
the
bottles
stayed
on
the
boxes
and
it
was.
It
was
clear
away
once
they
finished
their
survey
and
the
cost
of
that
was
absorbed
into
the
price
of
the
heck.
It
was
a
complimentary
beer
as
part
of
the
price
they're
paying
for
the
haircut.
B
G
No,
I
I,
I
believe,
certainly
from
my
understanding
of
the
the
way
that
we
put
the
application
in.
So
as
you
look
at
the
plan
in
front
of
you
and
neil
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
the
red
lined
area
is
the
bar
area,
the
larger
area,
with
the
entrance
off
central
parade
without
the
red
line
on
it
is
the
the
main
area
for
the
barber
shop.
G
So
the
the
off-sale
provision
is
to
allow
should
this
ever
happen,
to
give
flexibility
if
somebody
is
having
their
haircut
in
the
main
area
that
a
a
a
lost
at
sea
beer,
for
example,
could
be
sold
from
the
area
which
is
licensed
but
consumed
in
the
area
which
is
not
licensed,
which
is
why
we've
got
the
off
sale
provision
in
the
way
that
we've
lodged
the
application.
G
So,
as
neil's
been
talking
about
so
far,
people
have
been
given
a
free
alcoholic
drink
which
I'm
not
100
certain
that
they
were
right
to
be
told
that
they
couldn't
do
that,
because
if
it's
a
free
giveaway,
then
it
wouldn't
need
to
be
licensed,
but
we're
just
trying
to
regularize
things
properly.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
we
can
unshare
that
yeah.
H
B
B
Well,
that's
your
chance
and
counselor
hutchinson.
You
just
got
your
finger
up
there
your
hand
up.
C
Yeah
a
question
just
on
that
is
so
with
regards
to
when
the
barber
shop
is
shook
and
then
you're
gonna
go
on
to
it
being
a
bar.
Is
there
is
a
opportunity
whereby
people
be
doing
off
sales
on
the
licensed
area
and
sitting
on
the
right
hand,
side
until
two
o'clock
in
the
morning?
Is
that
a
provision
that's
been
looked
at
or
is
that
not
the
case.
F
C
You're
no
problem,
so
the
the
licensed
area
is
gonna
have
off
sales
where
people
can
then
take
their
alcoholic
beverage
to
the
where
the
barber
shop
area
is,
on
the
right
hand,
side
the
unlicensed
area.
C
F
Yeah,
what
we
would
like
to
do
really
is
just
to
have
that
flexibility,
and
we
imagine
that
flexibility
realistically
speaking,
especially
in
this
environment,
would
only
ever
be
utilized
on
perhaps
a
friday
and
a
saturday
evening.
You
know
which
obviously
a
popular
going
out
time
during
the
week.
We
don't
envision
there'll
be
a
need
for
it.
We
don't
imagine
we'll
be
that
busy
where
we
need
the
extra
space
and
part
of
the
reason
for
doing
that
is
to
offer
something
different.
F
It's
quite
cool
and
unique
for
a
bar
you'd
be
able
to
go
and
sit
in
a
barber's
chair
which
are
quite
grand
ornamental
looking
things.
So
it's
just
have
the
flexibility
to.
If
we
need
to
do
it,
we've
got
some
extra
capacity
there,
but
it's
certainly
not
something
that
will
be
utilized
on
a
regular
basis
and.
G
G
G
What
we
aren't
able
to
do,
obviously
in
this
area,
is
offer
other
licensable
activities
that
must
only
take
place
within
the
area.
That's
lined
on
the
plan
so,
as
neil
said,
to
give
flexibility
on,
hopefully
busier
nights.
We
might
need
that
additional
space
if
we've
got
to
contend,
continue
with
covid
distancing
regulations,
but
it,
but
it's
certainly
only
later
on
an
evening
when
the
adjoining
premises
wouldn't
be
open
anyway,
if
that
area
was
going
to
be
used
because
that
would
be
after
it
wasn't
being
used
as
a
barber
shop.
G
This
has
become
very
popular
all
around
the
country.
Gin
bars
in
barber
shops
is,
I
spend
half
of
my
time
doing
this
at
the
moment,
but
they
are.
They
are
themed
and
very
popular
and,
as
neil
said,
people
just
like
the
the
theatre
of
being
in
that
space.
C
Okay,
I
I
have
another
question,
but
it's
probably
worth
a
breakout
room
with
rob
and
philippa
regarding
something
if
that's
okay,
chair.
B
H
So
yeah
so
earlier
on,
the
solicitor
said
it
was
sloppy
language
to
suggest
that
they'll
be
drinking
in
the
barber's
chairs,
now
they're
suggesting
that
there
will
be
drinking
in
the
barber's
chairs.
This
is
precisely
our
concern
that
the
whole
room
will
be
used
for
drinking,
that
we
are
right
next
to
that
door,
that
the
shop
is
going
to
be
closed
down
in
the
evenings
and
then
that
larger
area
will
be
used
for
now.
What
they're,
calling
off
sales
will
be
used
as
a
bar
and
will
be
detrimental
to
our
venue.
H
This
is
absolutely
not
being
considered
and
I'm,
of
course,
don't
want
to
stop
things
from
happening,
but
I
don't
think
that
there's
fair
representations
being
made
about
the
plans.
I've
spoken
to
the
owner,
I've
seen
the
plans
they
want,
that
larger
area
to
be
used
for
drinking
on
site.
Absolutely
fine,
but
if
it
needs
to
be
clear
to
the
committee
what's
going
to
be
happening
before
the.
H
B
Made
thank
you
and
that's
exactly
why
you
know.
I
thought
that's
reassurance,
that's
exactly
why
we've
sort
of
reconvened
just
to
follow
up
on
that,
and
so
oh
that's
a
bit
of
reassurance
there.
So
thank
you
for
your
input.
Could
we
re-adjourn
again,
please
keep
him
because
we
might
have
a
bit
more
of
follow-up.
Based
on
what
council
hutchinson
said
and
again,
thank
you
for
your
patience.
A
B
A
A
In
contact
with
rob,
so
would
it
be
a
moment
if
you
could
just
stay
me?
Oh
here
he
is
and
then
andy
will
pop
us
back
into
the
breakout
room.
B
A
A
A
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Yes
again,
for
your
patience,
everyone
we'll
just
wait
for
we've
got
three
members:
we've
got
everyone
back
in
it.
You
know
all
in
one
go!
That's
quite
good!
Thank
you!
Okay.
Mr
smedley
we've
been
discussing
again
this
this
red
line
and
andy.
Can
you
share
the
plan
to
the
screen
again?
B
Please,
and
can
you
just
share
with
us
again
and
explain
again,
mr
smith,
what
the
exact
plans
are
within
in
terms
of
the
licensed
area,
the
red
line
and
the
unlicensed
area
during
the
day,
and
then
during
the
evening
just
go
through
the
the
intentions
there,
who's
who's
gonna
either
get
offered
be
a
drink
beer,
whatever
it
might
be
daytime
and
evening
and
where
and
whether
it's
within
or
out
with
the
red
line
area.
Please.
F
Yeah
sure
so
the
yeah
excuse
me
the
area
outlined
around
the
left-hand
side,
that
is
for
intensive
purposes.
That
is
the
barrier
that
is
lost
at
sea.
That's
that's
where
it
is
situated.
Everything
to
the
right-hand
side
of
that
is
the
barber
shop.
Now
in
the
barber
shop
we
give
out
complimentary
beers,
or
we
did.
Rather,
we
were
told
that
we
couldn't
without
a
license.
Part
of
the
motivation
for
this
application.
Is
that
as
well
so
on
the
right-hand
side
is
a
barber
shop.
F
The
people
in
there
will
be
offered
a
compliment
to
build
their
service
on
the
left-hand
side.
That
is
exclusively
the
licensed
area
where
people
can
purchase
alcohol.
Those
two
areas
are
very,
very
separate.
Now,
the
only
time
that
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
use
the
barber
shop
for
people
to
consume
alcohol
is
on
what
we
perceive
to
be
those
rare
occasions
happening
on
friday
or
saturday
evening,
and
when
we
may
need
to
utilize
some
additional
space.
B
F
I'm
actually
stuck
in
that
area.
Now,
as
we
speak
so
20
people
can
be
accommodated
here.
F
F
Okay,
and
just
if
I
could
just
add
some
some
clarifications
if
it
helps
the
people
on
the
committee
to
understand
so
until
eight
months
ago,
for
the
entire
10
years
that
we've
been
operating,
we
would
always
give
out
a
free
beer
to
our
customers,
which,
as
you
can
imagine
you
know
it
was
very
appealing
to
them.
We
had
a
high
uptake
on
that
about
60,
so
actually,
all
throughout
the
weeks,
we
were
very
busy.
B
C
I
guess
maybe
it's
maybe
maybe
paddy
can
advise
one
of
the
issues
that
we're
seeing
is
if
the
red
line
of
where
the
licensed
premises
is.
If
somebody
then
takes
an
alcoholic
beverage
from
there
through
into
the
non-licensed
area,
is
it
considered
off
sales,
or
is
it
considered
on
sales?
C
C
G
I'm
just
realizing
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
how
my
camera
had
gone
off
there.
It
is
considered
an
off
sale,
so
if
you
could
think
of
it
in
similar
terms
to
a
pub
beer
garden
which
wouldn't
have
the
red
line
around
it,
but
where
people
would
buy
a
drink
in
the
pub
and
then
go
and
sit
outside
to
drink
it
that's
permitted
under
the
legislation,
so
you
are
buying
a
an
alcoholic
drink
for
consumption
of
what
is
the
licensed
part
of
the
premises?
G
G
It's
very
much
that
the
primary
activity
of
the
whole
of
the
building
is
as
a
barber
shop,
but
then
there
is
the
ability
for
the
bar
to
trade
which
will
fit
in
with
the
in
keeping
with
the
branding
the
customer
base
the
way
that
the
premises
will
operate
and
clearly
we,
when
we
discussed
all
of
this
with
the
responsible
authorities,
we
really
didn't
think
that
we'd
end
up
troubling
you
as
a
licensing
committee
with
this
level
of
concern,
because
we
were
very
confident,
as
are
the
responsible
authorities,
that
what
we've
applied
for.
G
We
can
promote
the
licensing
objectives
with
those
conditions
that
are
attached
to
the
license.
So
we're
very
sorry
that
this
is
causing
you
the
amount
of
detailed
consideration
that
it
is,
but
we
we
didn't
think
that
it
would
do.
G
But,
but
I
do
hope
that
you
have
comfort
in
understanding
how
the
premises
will
trade
and
certainly
from
neil
as
a
person,
and
that
the
actual
potential
crossovers
I
see
where
there
could
be
any
potential
difficulties,
is
probably
between
eight
o'clock
and
nine
o'clock
in
the
evening
when
premises,
don't
tend
to
be
at
their
busiest
anyway,
so
in
looking
to
grant,
refuse
or
grant
with
a
different
set
of
conditions
or
different
type
of
license
that
that
we've
applied
for
I'm
sure,
you'll
be
assisted
on
the
legal
test
by
your
learning
legal
advisor.
G
It's
all
about
the
potential
to
promote
or
not
to
be
able
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives
and
what
I
said
in
relation
to
the
public
nuisance
element,
I
think,
is
the
key
issue.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
there
is
a
real
fear
that
we're
going
to
add
to
any
crime
and
disorder
in
the
area,
but
in
relation
to
the
public
nuisance
element
of
it.
That
condition
25
gives
a
robust,
enforceable,
better
position
for
anybody
who's
concerned
about
any
public
nuisance
issues
and
exists
at
the
moment.
G
B
Thank
you,
mr.
Where
right
we
will
adjourn
for
what
is
hopeful.
H
H
D
D
Is
that
to
say
that
you,
you
could
you'd
be
supplying
the
people
having
a
haircut
with
a
with
a
bottle,
but
it
wouldn't
be
opened
until
it
was
taken
into
that
hairdr
hair
cutting
area,
the
barbershop
parts,
or
did
that
really
mean
not
to
be
taken
out
of
the
whole
of
the
building?.
G
G
And
then
it's
clear
that
there
won't
be
an
ability
to
take
any
alcoholic
beverage
out
of
the
building
onto
the
street,
which
is
what
we
were
certainly
seeking
to
achieve,
which
is
why
we're
not
asking
for
a
pavement
license.
B
Okay,
rob
are
you,
okay,
with
that.
B
Well,
thank
you.
Could
we
adjourn
for
what
is
hopefully
the
last
time
please,
but
don't
worry,
standing
people
stay
on
the
call
just
in
case.
Thank
you.
B
A
A
A
A
B
Technical
issues,
but
we're
all
here,
I
think,
you're
a
waiter
for
me
to
apologize
again
so
after
a
couple
of
germans,
just
like
to
thank
everyone
for
your
attendance
concludes
the
business
of
the
committee
that
needs
sort
of
applicants
and
objectives,
and
things
like
that.
So
it
concludes
the
business.
For
today.
Everyone
will
be
informed
on
the
decision
of
the
subcommittee
within
five
working
days,
but
thank
you
all,
especially
for
your
patience
through
many
technical
issues.