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A
Okay;
okay,
thanks
for
for
for
waiting
that
extra
five
minutes
and
good
morning
to
to
you
all
and
welcome
to
Leeds
City
council's
Licensing
committee,
my
name's
councilor
James,
Gibson
I'm,
just
remind
everybody
that
we
are
webcast,
live
and
now
I'd
like
to
go
around
please
and
introduce
officers
and
members.
So
if
we
go
to
my
left
and
work
our
way
around,
please.
B
Good
morning
my
name
is
Robert
Brown
I'm.
The
league
advisor
to
the
chair
today.
A
Paul
and
good
morning
to
you
all
too,
if
I
hand
over
now
to
the
clerk
to
go
through
agenda
items,
one
to
five.
Please.
I
Thank
you
chair
under
gender
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
refusal,
inspection
of
documents
under
gender
item;
two
there's
no
exempt
information
contained
in
the
agenda
gender
item:
three:
there's
no
formal
late
items
of
business
added
to
the
agenda
under
agenda
item
four
could
ask
members
to
declare
any
interests
that
they
may
have
Cena.
Thank
you
and
the
gender
item.
Five
apologies
for
absence
have
been
received
from
Council
Farley
and
Council
Hutchison.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
Helen
okay
minutes
from
the
last
meeting,
which
was
held
on
the
6th
of
September
2022
I
presume
that
members
have
a
chance
to
read
them
can
I
have
if
there.
If
there
are
any
issues,
can
you
please
indicate
now
and
if
not,
can
I
have
somebody
to
nominate
them
as
a
true
indication
and
true
record,
please
of
the
meeting
but
proposed
by
councilor
Martin
seconded
by
councilor
Richards.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
G
G
Whilst
there's
been
no
substantial
changes
to
the
policy,
it
has
had
a
wholesale
review
and
just
some
examples
of
where
we
have
provided
some
updates.
We've
updated
the
population
statistics
and
local
strategies
removed,
obsolete
information
and
guidance,
amended
the
section
on
cumulative
impact
which
I'll
come
on
to
later.
We've
introduced
a
new
section
covering
equalities
and
also
included
reference
to
counter-terrorism,
and
then
we've
also
included
new
guidance
for
those
persons
who
want
to
make
Anonymous
representations.
G
The
new
policy
and
its
entirety
can
be
found
at
appendix
one
of
the
report
and
all
the
changes
are
identified
in
red
text
During
the
period
of
consultation.
The
policy
did
not
elicit
any
comments,
so,
if
I
can
move
on
to
the
cumulative
impact
policy,
this
is
where
well
the
community
of
impact
assessment,
as
it's
known
under
the
licensing
policy.
G
This
is
where
the
main
changes
have
been
made,
so
we're
seeking
for
members
approval
of
the
cumulative
impact
assessment,
which
is
where
the
license
and
authorities
specify
areas
which
it
considers
to
be
suffering
from
a
cumulative
impact
of
licensed
premises
which
are
negatively
impacting
on
the
licensing
objectives.
G
G
There
has
been
some
ups
and
downs,
some
dips
in
the
data
which
we
use
to
inform
these
Community
impact
assessments,
and
we
don't
really
know
what
the
full
recovery
of
the
city
center
is
going
to
be
at
this
particular
point
in
time.
Although
data
does
suggest,
it
is
starting
to
come
back
to
how
it
was
pre
pandemic.
G
So
we
wish
to
keep
this
community
impact
assessment
in
place
for
now
be
able
to
be
reviewed,
as
data
better
reflects
the
true
position
just
to
go
further
on
the
city
center
within
the
city
center
boundary.
G
We
then
have
two
red
zones:
they
are
focusing
on
Coral,
Lane
and
Albion
Street,
and
these
are
where
areas
which
are
highly
saturated
with
license
premises,
and
there
is
evidence
of
higher
anti-social
behavior
in
crime
during
the
nighttime
economy,
and
so
any
applications
received
for
these
areas
that
fall
between
the
peak
times
of
11
pm
and
2
A.M
can
expect
to
receive
representations
from
the
licensing
Authority
and
the
police.
G
G
So,
whilst
the
scope
of
this
assessment
is
to
remain
unchanged,
we
are
proposing
an
extension
of
the
boundary,
so
it
runs
up
to
the
north
of
headingley
wheatwood
area,
so
it
it
includes
all
of
the
Oakley
room,
and
that
is
some
that's
an
area
that
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
with
agencies.
There's
a
working
group
to
see
how
we
can
tackle
the
problems
being
experienced
in
the
headingley
area,
not
just
from
the
license
premises,
but
things
in
general
associated
with
the
otley
Run.
G
The
third
area
that
we
have
in
the
community
impact
assessment
is
Hyde
Park.
There
is
no
change
to
that
scope
or
the
boundary
similarly
armley,
that
is,
for
the
Town
Street
area.
There's
no
change
to
that.
We
wish
to
keep
that
in
place.
G
G
So
in
holbeck
we
have
a
dense
residential
area
and
we're
starting
to
see
a
growth
in
the
number
of
off
licenses
in
this
area
resultant
from
with
from
which
there
is
high
levels
of
alcohol
harms
and
also
and
social
behavior
Behavior
Associated
to
on
Street
drinking.
So
we're
looking
to
include
this
area
and
the
scope
of
it
will
apply
to
any
new
and
variation
applications
for
any
premises
license
which
seeks
off
sales
of
alcohol
at
any
time.
G
So
the
consultation
for
both
the
extent
of
Licensing
policy
and
the
community
of
impact
assessment
was
carried
out
with
all
Ward
members.
We
involved
the
leads
MPS
agencies,
Community
Representatives,
certain
multi-agency
groups
licensed
solicitors
and
agents
who
represent
the
license
trade,
and
we
also
liaise
directly
with
the
premises
that
are
within
the
CIA
areas
as
well.
G
The
consultation,
although
it
was
very
thorough,
elicited
just
seven
responses.
Those
can
be
a
Founder
to
appendix
2
of
the
report.
I'll
just
run
through
those
briefly
I
received
one
from
a
parish
council
inquiring.
Why
Leeds
Festival
was
not
included,
and
the
purpose
of
that
is
because
the
whole
idea
of
a
community
of
impact
assessment
is
where
we
have
an
accumulation
of
premises.
Leeds
Festival
is
just
a
one
event
in
one
area,
so
it's
not
appropriate.
G
The
second
was
from
a
resident
just
confirmed
the
relief
that
we've
now
included
the
utterly
run
so
appreciation
for
that.
We
did
have
a
request
from
councilor
Cunningham
that
who
represents
the
armley
area
to
see
if
there
was
Prospect
of
including
the
top
end
of
town
street
as
well.
This
was
quite
a
relatively
new
request
and
it's
something
we
need
to
really
do
more
work
on
to
collect
the
data
to
justify
extended
the
CIA
for
that
area.
So
it's
something
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
doing
in
the
new
year.
G
It
appears
that
the,
although
that
there
are
problems
in
the
area
they're
being
unreported,
and
so
we
need
to
look
at
how
that
those
reports
can
be
made
and
collected
from
from
the
police
perspective,
to
inform
the
data
and
then
the
final
four
was
from
sorry.
I've
got
a
page
missing
so
yeah.
The
final
four
were
in
relation
to.
G
Sorry
bear
with
me:
it's
cut
it.
Oh
no!
Sorry,
it's
here,
first
part
of
holbeck
and
so
that's
a
part
comes
from
councilor
Scopes,
Public
Health,
a
community
representative
and
a
residential
in
recognition
of
the
holbeck
CIA,
so
further
detail
of
each
one,
the
detail
of
the
scope
and
the
boundaries
they're
all
in
appendix
too.
If
members
have
any
questions
on
those
can
gladly
try
to
answer
those.
J
A
You
for
that
Nicola
that
was
really
good
and
I
just
want
to
congratulate
you
on
the
work
you've
done,
especially
with
the
the
extension
of
the
cia's
in
particular
I'll
offer
it
out
to
members
now
councilor
Hamilton.
You
did
indicate
that
you've
got
a
question
but
I
believe
it's
been
answered,
but
still.
D
Yes
yeah,
it
was
regarding
the
armley
because
it
stated
on
change,
but
you'll
you'll
have
answered
it
because
I
my
question
was
going
to
be:
what
are
the
councilors
asked?
Because
you
know
they
are
complaints
about
it.
Extending
yes,.
G
Yeah,
we'll
certainly
looking
at
that
in
the
New
Year,
like
I,
mentioned
the
Army
one
when
we
adopted
this
I
think
three
four
years
ago
now
it
just
focused
around
the
town
street
Branch
Road
area,
where
we
do
have
that
concentration
of
off
licenses,
but
we
are
starting
to
create,
see
them
creep
further
along.
So
we'll
be
certainly
looking
at
including
that
area.
We
just
need
the
data
to
support
it,
because,
as
you
appreciates,
if
we
were
to
refuse
an
application,
the
challenge
will
be.
We
want
to
see
your
data.
D
F
Thanks
chair
and
yeah
I'd
also
like
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
the
officers
involved
in
this
particularly
I.
Think
thanks
to
sue
Duckworth
who's
been
really
really
helpful
and
was
very
open-minded
to
the
case
that
myself
and
My
Week
With,
all
colleague,
Council
Emma
Flint,
put
forward
that
the
cumulative
impact
assessment
should
be
extended
to
include,
but
we
would
obviously
run
up
to
Woodies,
which
wine
inferiorates
would
start
obviously
run.
F
Some
people
are
on
their
way
already
by
the
time
they
get
there
and
if
any
extra
venues
opened
or
existing
venues
extended
at
that
end,
I
think,
but
there
would
certainly
be
a
cumulative
impacts
so
and
this
policy
change
I
hope
will
make
that
less
likely
to
to
happen.
So,
thank
you
very
much,
my
follow-up
question
and
apologies.
If
this
is
not
your
team,
but
my
follow-up
question
is
about
the
existing
public
space
protection
order
for
the
area,
which
is
runs
up
to
July
23.
F
and
it's
kind
of
the
other
policy
really
that
helps
us
deal
with
the
problems
associated
with
the
Lolly
run.
If
it
is
your
team,
could
you
just
explain
what
process
for
ensuring
that
it's
Rewritten
to
include
fixed
penalty
notices
for
public
urination?
Would
there
be
a
kind
of
public
consultation
in
the
same
way?
You've
had
for
this?
For
that,
and
do
you
think
there
are
any
other
Clauses
that
could
be
added?
F
G
F
Thank
you,
I
I
think
I'll
ask
them
for
an
update
on
that
process
as
well,
then,
but
please
do
let
them
know
that
I
asked
about
that
as
well,
if
you,
if
you're
in
regular
contact
with
them.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
again
for
your
work.
A
I
shall
pass
that
on
for
you
as
well
councilor
Wilson.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Councilor
Buckley,
please.
C
Thank
you.
My
question
was
also
on
the
on
the
utterly
run
actually,
and
it
was
just
really
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
danger
of
throwing
out
the
baby
with
the
buff
water
here.
C
I
know
it's
mainly
young
people
who
go
on
that
run,
but
I
know
two
people
who
are
not
young
and
they
went
on
it
dressed
as
all
sorts
of
things.
I,
don't
know
what
they
were.
C
Bananas
goodness
knows
what,
and
they
had
just
had
a
good
time
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
possibility
of
strangling
the
the
good
side
of
the
otley
run
and
that
obviously,
new
businesses
would
not
start,
presumably
under
this
policy,
and
so
as
businesses
fell
away
in
the
natural
course
of
events,
to
make
sure
that
it
didn't
have
a
detrimental
effect
on
the
area.
Whilst
appreciating
the
problems.
A
G
Just
to
add
that
a
community
of
impact
assessment
does
not
prevent
any
new
applications,
and
so
it
won't
prevent
any
new
businesses,
it's
more,
the
style
of
the
business.
So
if
say,
for
example,
we'll
have
to
have
a
delicatessen
that
just
wants
to
offer
like
hampers
with
ales
and
lagers,
they
would
not
necessarily
be
prevented.
It
would
all
depend
on
the
nature
of
the
application
and
the
our
switch
to
applying
for,
but
essentially
if
it
appears
that
the
premises
are
going
to
add
to
the
problems.
G
G
Yes,
I
think
you
I,
wouldn't
say
this
definitely
but
I,
don't
think
this.
The
students
aren't
the
problem.
I
think
they
deal
with
their
they're
a
bit
more
respectful
of
the
area.
It's
more.
The
people
coming
in
from
out
of
town
we're
here
of
coaches
that
are
actually
dropping
people
off
at
10
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
they're
coming
in
by
the
coach
loads
from
other
areas
outside
of
Leeds,
stagna,
stag
events
and
events,
and
it
seems
to
be
those
that
are
introducing
the
problems.
How
we
prevent
those
coming
in.
G
G
We
know
that
queuing
on
the
footpath
there
there
are
some
problems
urination,
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
being
done
with
the
pubs
and
they're
fully
accept
their
responsibilities.
It's
once
they're
away
from
them
premises
and
the
problems
occur
on
this
on
the
actual
streets.
A
K
It
has
but
I
think
it's
really
the
all
male
groups
who
are
coming
in
it's
not
really
the
hens
I
mean
they
can
be
noisy.
They
can
sometimes
you
run
out
into
the
traffic,
but
it's
the
all
all
male
groups
of
men
in
the
probably
mid-20s
to
as
much
as
50s,
who
are
coming
in
on
coaches
now,
the
coaches
that
are
when
they
book
it
through
an
operator
they're
not
allowed
to
bring
the
alcohol,
but
they
can
book
it
themselves,
so
they
can
come
in
a
minibus
and
then
they
have
the
alcohol.
K
So
they
arrive
drunk.
They
arrive
drunk
of
Woodies
and
they
get
drunker.
They
sexually
harass
young
women,
young
women
students.
A
lot
of
our
residents
are
saying:
I,
never
go
into
headingley
on
a
Saturday.
Now
I
never
go
on
a
Friday
night.
It's
not
a
place,
that's
friendly!
This
is
not
good.
This
is
not
good
for
businesses,
it's
not
good
for
any
new
business.
We
don't
want
to
stop
people
having
fun.
The
volume
sometimes
of
the
students
is
a
problem
and
they
do
tend
to
run
out
into
the
traffic
sometimes
and
I.
K
Get
I've
just
recently
had
an
email
from
a
very,
very
shaken
woman
who
was
driving
at
Hyde
Park
corner,
and
someone
ran
straight
out
from
the
Hyde
Park
Pub
right
into
the
traffic
and
basically
somersaulted
over
the
bonnets.
The
driver
had
done
nothing
wrong
and
it
could
have
been
awful.
Luckily,
it
wasn't,
but
the
bus
drivers
also
say
running
out
into
traffic.
That's
a
big
problem,
so
the
students
need
to
look
to
themselves.
K
But
really
the
problem
as
Nicholas
says,
is
these
older
all
male
groups,
public
urination,
sexual
harassment,
General
harassment
and
it's
intimidating
to
people.
So
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
deal
with
and
we
have
got
a
number
of
measures
and
we're
working
closely
with
the
officers,
but
I
welcome
the
extension
of
this
I'd
like
say
other
things.
But
do
you
want
me
to
wait
if.
A
You
don't
mind
counselor
garthwaite,
thank
you
for
your
contribution.
We
do
I
I
do
understand
that
you've
been
working
very,
very
hard
on
this
issue.
For
for
a
number
of
years
now,
and
and
as
a
committee
I'm
sure,
we
all
appreciate
the
hard
work
you've
you've
done
on
that
councilor.
Would
you
like
to
come?
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
to
add
and
then
I'm
going
to
bring
in
councilor
Richards.
C
No,
not
really
I,
think
I've
made
the
point.
Thank
you,
chair
Council.
H
Thank
you
very
much
all
I'd
say
without
going
through
the
reiteration
of
that
is
that,
unfortunately,
it
is
an
element
which
happens
in
a
number
of
places
of
a
similar
ilk.
So
I
remember
the
nickelgate
run
in
York,
and
that
was
a
long
time
ago,
but
you're
right,
it
has
got
more
so
and
I
think
the
clientele
you're
right
has
changed,
because
at
that
age
group
they
do
have
money.
Most
of
them
are
working.
Most
of
them
is
the
other
and
it's
the
kind
of
release
at
the
end
of
the
week.
H
All
of
that,
so
you
know
congratulations
for
the
work
that
you
do
do
on
that
I
mean
I,
remember
going
around
when
we
did
the
Friday
night
in
Leeds.
That
visit
showed
exactly
where
we
were
with
that.
But
it's
it's
an
ongoing
issue
and
as
much
of
it
is
you're
right
in
the
making
it
socially
unacceptable
to
do
that,
just
as
it
is
now
socially
unacceptable
to
smoke
in
certain
places.
H
One
hopes
that
eventually
there'll
be
a
generation
that
says
it
socially
acceptable
to
behave
like
that
and
to
Harris
women
and
to
do
whatever
I
had
students
used
to
say
to
me.
Oh
maybe
she
can't
go
in
there.
You
can't
go
to
Leeds
on
a
Friday
night.
That's
my
own
student
saying
it
to
me.
So
that's
a
bad
thing
for
our
economy
as
well
as
anything
else.
So
it's
good
that
we
are
addressing
it.
A
Thank
you
for
for
that
Council
Richards
I
agree.
It
is
that
there
are
societal
issues
and-
and
thank
you
for
recognizing
the
hard
work
that
entertainment
licensing
are
doing
to
try
and
alleviate
some
of
the
issues
that
we
find
in
these
areas,
including
Nutley,
Road,
councilor,
Flynn,.
B
Thank
you.
I
was
glad
to
see
that
holbeck
was
included
this
time
around
I
was
very
interested
to
hear
you
say.
The
public
health
had
supported
the
application
to
make
it
so
because
I
I've
invited
Public
Health
to
come
to
a
couple
of
subcommittee
meetings
where
new
license
applications
have
been
made.
B
But
my
understanding
and
I
I
didn't
understand
why
this
was
the
case.
Was
that
public
health
considerations
didn't
play
a
part
in
the
granting
of
licenses?
So
could
you
expand
a
little
bit
more
on
why
holbeck
was
was
included?
I
absolutely
agree
with
it
by
the
way,
because
I
know
the
levels
of
deprivation
there.
G
That's
right:
Council
Buckley,
the
the
not
a
responsible
Authority
for
the
purpose
of
making
representations.
However,
we
can
work
with
them
on
collecting
data
so
for
we
have
a
a
matrix,
a
health
Matrix
and
our
deprivation
scores
and
social
behavior
Etc
are
all
fed
into
this
Matrix
you
can
put
in
a
postcode
and
it
brings
up
the
scores
for
those
areas
of
where
they
are
in
the
levels
of
deprivation,
poverty,
etc,
etc.
So
that's
where
we
work
together
with
public
health
and
they
help
to
inform
the
community
of
impact
assessment.
G
K
Yes,
thank
you,
first
of
all,
going
back
to
the
policy
and
I
apologize
if
this
was
covered
before,
but
this
is
paragraphs.
K
5.515
to
5.16
it's
either
page
30
or
page
18,
depending
on
how
you
look
at
the
pages.
K
It's
about
small
events
that
may
be
organized
by
Community
or
cultural
groups,
probably
with
no
alcohol
being
served,
and
it's
not
clear
to
me
whether
it's
actually
mandatory
for
the
organizers
of
such
events
to
be
in
contact
with
yourselves
or
whether
they
can
just
go
ahead
because
I
speak
as
someone
who's
organized
such
events
in
the
past.
Quite
a
lot
and
we
don't
haven't
made
that
sort
of
contact.
G
Look
councilor
what
we're
recognizing
there
is
that
we
have
the
safety
Advisory
Group
and
we
do
encourage
anybody
holding
an
event
to
go
through
that
group,
because
it
provides
a
source
of
helpful
information.
It
provides
links
to
all
the
relevant
agencies
and
similarly
there's
guidance
and
it's
risk
guard.
So
it
may
well
be
that
if
it's
a
small
scale
event,
you
don't
flag
up
as
being
a
high
risk,
but
you
can
access
all
the
relevant
guidance
in
planning.
G
G
G
G
K
You
then
I've
got
a
couple
of
other
questions
as
well
now
on
6.35
it's
about
the
public
nuisance
and
you
know
you
name
a
number
of
deprived
areas
which
is
all
fine
but
then
later
on,
you
point
out
the
deprivation
index
that
relates
to
Hyde
Park,
but
that's
not
listed
in
the
deprived
areas,
but
all
those
things
that
you
mention
also
apply,
and
they
have
certainly
apply
to
the
utterly
run
so
I
just
thought.
That
was
a
bit
of
a
discrepancy.
I
K
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,
yes
in
6.34
lists
some
of
the
more
deprived
areas,
but
it
hasn't
included
Hyde
Park.
Is
that
meant
to
be
a
a
comprehensive
list,
or
is
that
more
a
an
example.
G
K
K
K
Yes,
I
know
that
the
student's
population
really
skews
those
figures,
but
there
are
I
mean
this
is
not
something
that
you
can
change
and
I've
brought
it
up
in
other
contexts,
but
there
is
a
great
deal
of
deprivation
around
there.
I.
K
Yes,
it
does
exist,
but
I
know
that's,
that's
not
really
your
problem,
and
finally,
this
is
a
small
thing,
but
if
this
just
for
the
sake
of
accuracy,
because
these
papers
will
carry
on
in
perpetuity
on
in
the
cumulative
interest,
accumulative
policy
bit
I
think
it's
page
111
and
it's
just
before
those
comments
which
were
really
useful
by
the
way.
The
fourth
paragraph
down
in
my
copy,
it
says
at
the
end
of
the
licensing
period,
the
council
has
received
XXX
comments.
You
just
need
to
put
the
number
in
there.
G
A
L
A
Okay,
nicely:
you
did
go
through
the
recommendations,
but
for
the
purpose
of
protocol.
Let
me
go
through
it.
What
members
are
asked
to
do
so?
The
licensing
committee
members
are
recommended
to
a
polite
for
the
licensing
committee
to
approve
the
statement
of
license
and
policy
2023-2027
and
CIA
assessment
for
2023,
2025
and
B
for
the
committee
to
the
refer
to
refer
the
statement
of
license
and
policy
for
the
council
for
for
adoption.
So
complete
members,
please
indicate
whether
they
are
in
favor
of
those.
Please.
D
Mine
was
on
page
26
4.22.
You
know
you've
listed
4.22
up,
you
found
it.
I
was
just
asking
because
you've
got
place
of
worship,
Hospital
Etc.
Why
isn't
schools
included
in
that.
G
Surprise,
I'm
not
sure
counselor
I
suppose
we
could,
we
could
add
it
certainly
I
think
it's
more
focusing
on
that,
because
we're
looking
at
late
night.
You
know
with
me
primarily
talking
about
late
night
venues
premise.
Well
when
I
say
late
night,
venues
I
don't
mean
nightclubs,
but
public
houses
and
the
like,
which
that
their
impact
is
more
to
be
early
evening
night
time
rather
than
during
the
daytime
when
the
schools
are
operating,
but
it
can
certainly
be
something
that
we're
writing.
G
D
D
A
But
when
we
do
look
at
these
things,
we
do
you
know
we
look
at
day
drinking
and
and
the
impact
it
has
on
the
community
and
of
course,
schools
are
part
of
that.
So
I
think
that's
a
very
good
recommendation
now.
I'm
presuming
that
that
members
don't
want
me
to
go
through
the
recommendations
again
and
they're
happy
to
just
vote
on
on
the
recommendations.
Okay,
so
those
in
favor,
please.
A
Okay,
that's
unanimous!
Thank
you!
Okay,
so
we
move
now
on
to
agenda
item
number
eight,
which
is
gambling
Harms
same
officers.
It's
just
you
know.
We've
got
another
two
okay,
so
if
I
can
ask
the
other
officers
please
to
introduce
themselves
before
we
start
the
report
that'll
be
great.
Thank
you.
L
Yeah
sorry
I
was
I
was
being
a
bit
silly.
My
name
is
Joe
Rollins
I'm,
the
council's
financial
inclusion
manager.
G
A
G
I'll
just
introduce
the
reporter,
so
it
stems
from
the
center
for
governance
and
scrutiny
and,
in
conjunction
with
the
gambling
commission,
has
released
a
publication,
titled
10
questions
to
ask.
If
you
ask
scrutinizing
gambling
harm
environment,
Housing
and
Community
scrutin
Abad
has
requested
a
response
to
this
publication
and
this
is
to
help
scrutiny
bar
better
understand
and
have
a
have
an
oversight
of
the
services
available
in
the
Leeds
region.
G
The
said
publication
can
be
found
at
appendix
one
to
the
report.
The
purpose
for
bringing
this
report
today
is
to
provide
licensing
committee
with
an
oversight
of
the
questions
and
answers
before
it
is
presented
to
scrutiny,
as
so
I'll
just
give
you
a
small
bit
of
background,
but
I'm
sure
members
have
read
the
full
report
it.
The
fact.
The
council's
financial
inclusion
team,
public
health
and
Licensing
have
collectively
produced
The
Briefing
note,
which
can
be
found
at
appendix
2.
G
which,
in
addition
to
addressing
the
questions,
provides
some
background
information
on
the
variable
work
that
has
and
continues
to
be,
carried
out
in
the
Leeds
region.
Particular
points
of
note
are
we
have
the
licensing
of
the
large
Casino
in
Leeds,
which,
aside
from
the
license
fee,
also
provides
an
annual
sum
of
money
to
the
council's
social
inclusion
fund.
G
In
addition
to
these
groups,
we
have
the
leads
gambling
harms
group,
and
this
brings
together
all
the
public
and
third
sector
agencies
who
all
work
collectively
on
tackling
gambling
harm
and,
from
this
have
come
a
number
of
initiatives
led
by
the
financial
inclusion,
team
and
public
health.
Examples
of
the
work
areas
from
this
group
can
be
found
at
question
four
on
page
149
of
the
pack
and
briefly
focusing
on
question
five,
and
that
is
the
role
of
the
licensing
Authority
and
the
statement
of
Licensing
policy
for
the
gambling
act.
G
To
inform
that
process
we
have
the
gambling
acts.
The
gambling
commission's
guidance
to
licensing
authorities
and
all
operators
must
also
comply
with
the
Gambling
commission's
License
conditions
and
cordless
practice
and
within
that
they
need
to
provide
a
local
area
risk
assessment
when
they
do
apply
for
a
premises
license
as
required
by
Statute.
G
We
have
developed
a
statement
of
Licensing
policy
for
gambling
and,
whilst
the
gambling
Act
is
a
permissive
regime,
the
policy
has
been
enhanced
over
the
years
to
include
how
mitigation
measures
that
the
authority
would
expect
to
see
as
a
minimum
from
an
applicant
to
assist
applicants
with
their
local
area
risk
assessment.
A
mapping
tool
has
been
developed
for
our
Leeds
postcodes
and
that's
similar
to
the
one
that
I've
just
mentioned
for
the
licensing.
That's
the
health
arms
Matrix.
G
I'm
saying
all
this
a
number
of
applications
far
premises
licenses
in
the
Leeds
areas
relative
at
low.
We
receive
maybe
one
per
year,
and
so
there's
not
a
lot.
We
can
actually
achieve
through
the
licensing
regime
alone,
and
what
does
need
to
actually
be
recognized?
Is
that
a
wide
range
of
remote
gambling
from
what
you
can?
What
you
can
imagine
a
large
proportion
of
the
gambling
harms
do
arrive
from?
Is
the
online
gambling
that's
advertised
on
your
TV
through
websites
that
is
not
controlled
by
the
local
Authority?
G
J
Yeah
absolutely
so,
there's
a
little
bit
more
to
add
if
that,
so
that's,
okay
and
so
myself
and
my
colleague
Mater
Albers,
who
couldn't
be
here
today,
sort
of
co-lead
on
a
number
of
kind
of
key
projects
for
leads
and
which
is
taken
learning
from
the
research
that
Nicola
referred
to
that
was
delivered
by
Leeds
back
at
University,
back
in
2008
and
and
unlike
other
local
authorities.
J
Don't
have
any
dedicated
officer
time
to
to
address
in
this
this
issue
and
and
the
research
highlighted
that
Leeds
is
likely
to
have
double
the
national
average
number
number
of
what
was
then
termed
problem
gamblers
and
we'd.
Now
call
that
sort
of
people
that
are
experiencing
gambling
gambling
harms
and
a
number
of
sort
of
key
pieces
of
work
have
have
come
out
of
that.
To
tackle
that.
That's
been
referred
to
in
in
this
report,
but
I
think
also
sort
of
fundamental
to
all
of
our
work
is.
J
Is
the
partnership
work
that
Nicholas
referred
to
we're
co-located
with
the
two
gambling
treatment
services
in
the
city
on
on
Marion
and
we're
doing
regular
work
with
them
and
and
also
in
in
all
of
our
work,
we're
working
with
people
with
lived
experience
of
gambling
harms
as
well?
And
so
there
are
members
of
Staff
within
those
two
treatment
services
that
we
work
very
closely
with
to
ensure
that
that
happens,
and
one
good
example
of
which
is
a
Communications
campaign
that
we're
delivering
at
the
moment
and
in
response
to
the
World
Cup.
J
And
so
we've
been
working
with
people
with
lived
experience
to
create
some
targeted
advertising
and
that
will
promote
the
Treatment
available
in
the
city,
which
again
is
unique
to
Leeds.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
better
treatment
offer
than
many
other
sort
of
core
cities,
and
so
we're
very
fortunate
to
to
have
that,
and,
and
also
the
the
gambling
partnership
that
was
referred
to
as
well.
J
We're
we're
working
in
partnership
with
other
services,
like
citizens,
advice
like
the
University
universities
and
many
other
organizations
across
the
city,
and
so
that
we're
addressing
gambling
Harms
in
in
all
that
we
do
and
not
just
seeing
it.
As
you
know,
one
isolated
issue
and
and
finally
I'd
just
like
to
highlight
and
a
piece
of
good
practice,
and
we
we
took
learning
so
there
we're
we're
sort
of
you
know,
leading
a
leading
local
Authority
in
addressing
gambling
harms.
We
also
were
recognize
that
there
is
always
more.
J
You
know
that
we
could
do
and
that
there's
learning
we
should
be
taking
from
other
local
authorities,
and
so
we
we
did
that
by
learning
from
some
work
that
Sheffield
City
Council
and
did
around
creating
an
HR
guidance
document
and
which
we've
now
sort
of
tailored
to
lead
city
council
employees
and
to
ensure
that
we're
supporting
our
own
employees
internally,
as
well
as
those
that
might
be
impact
impacted
by
the
gambling
of
another
person.
J
So
it's
actually
estimated
that
up
to
15
people
might
be
impacted
by
the
gambling
of
maybe
someone
close
to
them,
whether
that's
a
partner,
a
parent
or
you
know
a
close,
a
close
friend,
and
so
we're
really
proud
to
have
launched
that
guidance
in
lead
city
council
and
are
now
going
to
roll
that
out
across
the
city.
Working
with
our
anchor
sort
of
employers
across
the
city,
the
major
employers
and
and
also
through
their
mindful
employer
Network
as
well
as
yeah.
A
That's
wonderful,
thank
you
and
I.
Do
hope.
Members
have
a
chance
to
read
this
report
because
I
think
what
it
highlights
is
in
in
many
ways
that
entertainment
license
and
the
lead
city,
council
and
the
partner
agencies
are
very
much
at
the
at
the
Forefront
of
sort
of
how
we
tackle
this
really
important
issue
and
yeah.
So
even
whether
it
was
the
the
permission,
research
in
2016
or
or
setting
up
the
the
community
gambling
service
I
think
all
of
that's
really
great.
B
More
of
a
comment:
really:
it's
it's
not
aimed
at
either
the
licensing
offices
or
the
inclusion
team.
But
you
recall
that
the
casino
was
fine,
best
part
of
half
a
million
pounds
about
12
months
or
so
ago,
for
not
following
its
own
or
not
complying
with
its
own
money
laundering
and
safer
gambling
policies
and
I
found
it
quite
entertaining
that
they're
asking
the
council
what
they
can
and
what
they
can't
do
and
they
didn't
bother
telling
out
of
the
council
or
anybody
else.
B
What
have
been
going
on
at
the
casino
and
I
just
wondered
if,
from
the
licensing
perspective
anyway,
whether
the
gambling
commission
had
been
put
firmly
in
its
place
regarding
the
fact
that
they
hadn't
told
us
and
neither
had
the
casino
itself
until
the
until
the
Press
notice
came
out
and
I.
Just
wonder
what
the
outcome
of
that
was.
G
Yes,
sir
gambling
commission
did
receive
a
letter
from
councilor
Cooper
and
we
did
receive
a
response
very
apologetic
and
that
in
future
they'll
work
with
us
a
lot
closer.
They
didn't
really
appreciate
their
actions
for
not
letting
us
know,
and
similarly,
we've
had
we've
had
a
meeting
with
Casino
I
think
the
problem
was
that
everything
happened
so
soon.
Obviously
there
was
some
investigation.
G
There
was
the
founding
some
of
that
investigation,
but
the
publicity
we
found
out
through
the
publicity
more
than
from
the
gambling
commission
themselves,
so
everybody's
learned
from
that
really,
but
primarily
hopefully,
the
gambling
commission
for
not
working
with
ourselves
more
closely.
G
B
It
was
named
at
all
that
you
Nicola
or
or
the
other
team,
it's
just
that
it
was
three
years
after
the
event
that
it
became
known.
So
it
may
have
happened
very
quickly
at
the
start,
but
it
certainly
took
a
long
time
before
it
became
actually
publicized
and
so
far
as
the
report
he
is
concerned,
I
think
it's
an
excellent
report
and
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
yeah.
M
Sorry
thanks
chair
Nicola,
just
based
on
what
you've
said
there
I
may
have
missed
something,
but
you
said:
you've
had
a
response
back
from
the
government
where
they're
apologetic
and
you've
had
further
meetings.
Etc.
Is
it
possible
chair
to
be
advised
of
that
response
and
the
and
what's
happened
subsequently,
so
that
members
are
aware
what's
ongoing
with
that,
even
if
it's
confidential,
as
members
I,
think
it'd
be
very
useful
to
understand
the
government's
position
on
the
process
and
where
we've
gone
since
then,.
G
M
G
M
A
E
Yes,
thanks
from
me
as
well
for
this
piece
of
work,
Grace
I've
got
a
question
around
the
answer
to
question
one
and
the
2016
piece
of
research,
where
you
mentioned
that
around
Leeds
has
around
double
the
national
average
of
harmful
gambling.
E
I.
Just
wonder:
do
we
understand
why
that
is
and
has
the
subsequent
work
have
we
have
we
re-measured
to
see
whether
the
you
know
the
our
sort
of
good
practice
workers
managed
to
reduce
that?
Thank
you.
L
Hi
I'll
answer
that,
because
I
was
around
then
it's
safe
to
say
that
the
research
around
gambling
harm
is
limited,
is
limited
at
a
national
level
and
it's
very,
very
limited
at
a
local
level
level.
L
The
main
reasons
for
it
being
higher
is
because
of
the
because
of
the
the
complexity,
sorry,
the
complexity
and
the
and
the
and
the
demography
of
leads,
and
the
fact
that
it
was
it
was.
It
was
double
the
national
average,
but
it
was
for
Leeds
and
areas
like
Leeds,
because
the
level
of
data
is
so
low.
Generally
I'm
on
gambling
home,
we
haven't
re-measured
that,
because
we
haven't
redone
any
research,
it
was
something
I
was
considering
when
we
were
coming
in
with.
That
was
something
that
we
could
do.
E
Yeah,
so
to
to
use
that
information
in
in
licensing
context
and
or
you
know,
the
behavior
of
the
local
Authority
going
forward,
should
that
limit
the
amount
of
gambling
premises
that
we
are
allowing
leads?
That's
that's
where
I'm
thinking
you
know
how
do
we
use
this
information.
E
Nicola
we
we've
got
information,
albeit
maybe
flawed
information
that
suggests
that
Leeds
has
double
the
amount
of
problem
with
gambling
nationally
compared
to
the
National
leverage.
How
do
we
use
that
as
a
licensing
committee?
Do
we
limit
the
amount
of
gambling
presence
premises
within
the
city.
G
No,
we
can't
really
use
data
to
that
effect.
Farming
Farming
license
applications.
It
would
be
area
specific,
so
it
is
a
permissive
regime,
so
the
the
acts
states
that
we
will
aim
to
permit
gambling,
which
isn't
helpful.
G
So
we
look
at
each
application
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
So
if
say,
for
example,
we
receive
an
application
for
received
from
for
hair
Hills
was
it.
Yes,
we
received
one
for
hair
Hills,
and
so
we
use
the
scoring
Matrix
that
does
show
it
is
an
area
of
deprivation
and
other
Associated
problems,
and
that
gives
especially
the
committee
more
opportunity
to
attach
conditions
Etc
to
that
license
or
even
refuse
it
in
its
entirety.
If
you
thought
that
to
be
the
case,.
L
J
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
add
as
well
that
we
we
were
able
to
use
that
in
response
to
the
application
in
in
hair
Hills.
So
it
was
actually
one
of
the
most
conditioned
licenses
and
I
think
that
we've
had,
and
so
it
did
enable
us
to
kind
of
evidence,
evidence
that
to
yeah
when
that,
when
that
came
forward,
I
think
it
was
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
I
suppose.
J
As
has
been
mentioned,
we're
working
with
the
gambling
act
and
what
we
have
also
been
able
to
do
is
is
provide
a
you
know,
response
to
the
gambling
act
and
you
know
to
to
work
with
members
to
play
a
lobbying
role
as
well,
recognizing
that
it
is
incredibly
like
permissive
in
its
nature
and
and
that
that
does
limit
us
hugely,
and
so
that's
a
bit
of
an
ongoing
battle
as
well
and
we're
waiting
for
the
review
of
the
gambling
act.
J
H
Thank
you,
chair
back
to
the
data
in
some
ways,
you've
already
mentioned
that
quite
a
lot
of
gambling
harm
is
accrued
by
the
online
gambling,
which
happens,
and
we've
talked
to
all
so.
You've
also
talked
about
the
fact
that
the
permissive
regime
doesn't
give
us
much
ability
to
actually
deal
with
the
ones
that
you
can
deal
with.
So
where
does
that
sit
with
all
this?
In
other
words,
how
are
we
ever
going
to
be
able
to
address
things
like
online
gambling,
foreign.
G
That
needs
to
be
addressed
nationally.
All
I
can
say
is
we're
doing
the
most
that
we
can
locally.
So
all
of
the
gambling
harm
research
and
the
services
in
place
that
we've
established
here
for
this
District
will
help
anybody
be
online
gambling,
which
is
the
remote
gambling
or
whether
it's
actually
taking
place
at
the
casino
or
betting
offices,
bingo
halls
or
whatever,
so
that
service
is
available
to
anybody
but
nationally.
J
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
that
just
to
really
share
the
sort
of
scale
of
the
industry
that
we're
we're
kind
of
working
with
here
and
so
86
of
gross
online
betting
profits
came
from
just
five
percent
of
customers
and
also
in
terms
of
the
advertising
that
this
industry
had
1.5
billion
pounds
was
spent
on
on
Advertising.
So
in
terms
of
our
kind
of
local
response,
we
we
obviously
do
what
we
can
with
a
a
vastly
limited
budget
income
comparison
to
the
industry.
J
So
we
we
were
currently
running
this
Communications
campaign
during
the
World
Cup,
trying
to
raise
awareness
of
some
of
the
you
know,
issues
around
online
gambling
and
providing
links
to
sort
of
self-help
tools
and
promoting
the
support
that
we're
lucky
to
have
available
in
in
Leeds
as
well.
But
you
know,
as
Nicola
has
covered,
it
is
a
national
issue
when
and
the
regulation
of
online
gambling
is
yeah
a
challenge.
H
And
that's
exactly
what
I
expected
you
to
say
because
yeah,
it's
fairly
obvious,
that
that
is
the
situation
that
in
a
way
the
casinos
are
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
there
and
the
rest
of
it.
The
rest
of
the
iceberg
is
the
bit
you
can't
deal
with
in
that
way
other
than
the
ways
in
which
you
are
doing
and
which
to
me
back
to
the
thing
we
were
talking
about
before
about
education
and
about
support
in
that
way,
so
obviously
you're
aware
of
it
and
obviously
you're
doing
it.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Members
have
any
other
questions
now.
Are
we
happy
to
note
the
recommendations
on
page
one,
two,
one
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much,
in
which
case
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
nine
rather,
which
is
the
date
and
time
of
the
next
committee
meeting.
Sorry
can
I
just
say
thank
you
as
well
to
officers
for
all
your
hard
work.
I
did
say
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
item
and
you're
doing
a
fantastic
job,
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today
on
taking
members
questions.
A
Sorry,
so
we'll
move
back
on
to
agenda
miter
number
nine,
which
is
the
date
and
time
of
the
next
committee
meeting,
which
is
Tuesday
the
24th
of
January
2023
at
10
o'clock,
and
that's
it
for
today's
business.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone.