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A
Welcome
everyone
well
it's
good
afternoon
and
welcome
everyone
to
south
and
west
blend
panels.
My
name
is
councillor,
taylor
and
I'll
be
chairing
this.
What
should
I
call
it
vibrant
committee
meeting
today
and
for
so
far
so
today's
meeting
is
south
and
west
and
today's
meeting
has
been
live
stream
and
the
city
council
youtube
channels,
so
that
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needs
to
be
present.
A
South
and
west
blind
panels
is
here
to
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants,
members
of
the
public
and
council
officers
to
help
members
and
the
panel
to
make
their
decision,
and
could
I
now
invite
officers
and
members
to
introduce
themselves.
We've
got
two
new
counselors
and
our
panel,
which
could
you
said
your
name
wanna
go
around,
so
I'm
gonna
start
and
the
right
today
so
because
we
normally
go
left,
but
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
right
today.
B
That
woke
me
up
good
afternoon
members,
steve
butler
group
manager,
south
and
west
leeds
and
lead
officer
at
south
and
west
plants
panel.
Thank
you.
A
H
Martin
white,
I'm
here
on
work,
experience.
A
Thank
you
in
the
morning
welcome
and
before
I
go
further
in
the
meeting.
Could
I
thank
him
councillor
washer
to
standing
for
me.
While
I
was
away,
and
also
to
welcome
our
new
members
and
the
committee
and
councillor
s,
wood
supposed
to
join
us,
but
I'm
afraid
she's
polite
today,
so
she
won't
be
able
to
join
us.
A
So
we
I'm
like
to
put
on
record
to
thank
the
members
who
are
no
longer
with
us,
and
this
group
with
councillor
burke,
counselor,
colin
and
paul
ray
and
councillor
jenkins
would
like
to
thank
them
for
the
work
that
they
have
done
and
the
committee
we
have
also
have
a
new
secretary
who
is
tash
because
andy
of
levers,
welcome,
tash
to
south
and
west
and
for
all
the
remaining
members
remember.
This
is
a
lovely
calm
committee
and
we
like
to
keep
it
this
way
throughout
the
year
and
welcome
back.
Thank
you
so
item
one.
D
Thanks,
chad
there's
no
appeals
against
refusal.
Inspection
of
documents
agenda
item
two:
there's
no
exempt
items
today:
agenda
item:
three:
there's
no
formal
alert
items
agenda.
Writing
falcon
nurse
members
to
declare
any
interests
I'll
take
silences,
none
tash!
Could
I
can
I.
This
is
highly
unusual,
but
I'm
conflicted
on
one
of
the
items
because
the
applicant
is
known
to
me
in
a
personal
capacity
and
therefore
I
will
be
stepping
out
of
that
item.
A
D
Yeah
sorry
chair,
there's
just
a
very
small
typo
on
page
10..
It's
the
the
first
item
item
eight
and
it's
the
third
bullet
point
I
think,
there's
an
extra
p
just
for
clarity.
A
A
No
tell
us
no,
we
will
now
move
straight
on
to
item
seven
albert
house.
So
can
I
invite
the
planning
officer
to
take
us
through
this
application
over
to
you.
F
Thank
you
chair.
The
application
before
members
today
is
for
four
new
dwellings
to
the
rear
of
albert
house.
The
application
is
brought
to
plans
panel
at
the
requested
council
of
flint
due
to
the
potential
impact
the
development
will
have
on
the
far
heavenly
conservation
area,
the
level
of
local
concern
and
the
material
planning
issues
which
have
been
highlighted
by
residents.
F
As
members
can
see
on
the
screen
here,
this
is
the
aerial
photograph
which
shows
the
the
application
site
within
the
the
center
of
the
site.
The
the
the
application
property
for
is
albert
house,
which
forms
one
of
three
large
victorian
pillars.
As
you
can
see
on
the
on
on
the
on
the
aerial
photograph
there
albert
house
has
points
yes,
so
albert
house
is
this
this
this
largely
solving
villa
here
and
there's
three
three
former
victorian
villas
which
which
form
development,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen.
F
The
other
two
pillars
have
been
developed
with
housing
to
the
front
of
this
one
and
development,
to
the
rear
of
what
the
one
adjacent
albert
house
to
the
front
of
the
site
is
a
large
front
garden
area,
which
is
characterized
by
large,
mature
trees,
with
tpos
and
conservation
area,
designation,
protecting
all
the
trees
within
the
site.
F
The
wider
area,
I
should
say
as
well
the
site
is
within
foreheadingly
conservation
area
in
which
the
the
property
is
designated
as
a
as
a
positive
building.
F
The
wider
area,
as
you
can
see,
is
predominantly
characterized
by
tight-knit
residential
developments
with
semi-such
properties
located
on
the
adjacent
or
part
villas
and
modern
terrorists
into
the
to
the
rear
of
the
site.
Wider
areas
predominantly.
F
Just
moving
on
to
some
of
the
photographs,
as
members
saw
on
the
site
visit,
this
one
is
a
grand,
victorian
villa
which
sits
in
spacious
grounds
and
and
and
particularly
in
front
of
the
property.
This
this
forms
the
positive
spatial
setting
for
for
for
the
large
villa
at
the
rear.
You
can
see
that
the
elevation,
large
large
crust
area-
and
I
should
say
that
coach
lca,
which
is
a
former
ancillary
building,
is
a
separate
dwelling.
F
So
there
are
two
dwellings
on
the
side
moving
on
just
a
photograph
which
again
shows
the
large
lawn
areas,
the
rear,
mature
hedging
to
the
side,
as
you
can
see,
more
popular
people
be
on
the
rear
boundary
there.
Another
phase
goes
to
the
side.
This.
This
area
is
private
garden
space
for
for
for
albert
house,
and
this
will
retain
just
such
as
part
of
development.
And
again
you
can
see
the
semi-touched
and
rendered
properties
are
more
popular
and
there's
another
photograph
just
showing
across
the
site.
F
This
is
it
the
adjacent
popped
into
number
five
I
was
showing
on
the
area
first
off
at
the
beginning,
you
can
see
the
relatively
new
in-field
development
for
three
three
dwellings
in
the
rear
of
the
adjacent
villa,
and
this
is
the
area
of
the
front
of
the
site.
This
is
off
mult,
bridge
road,
you
say
the
original
access
and
stonewalling
and
the
mature
trees,
and
this
this
access
is,
is
to
be
retained
or
noted
as
part
of
part
of
the
development.
F
So
moving
on
to
some
of
the
some
of
the
plans.
This
is
this
is
the
site
layout
plan.
As
they're
saying,
the
access
is
off
montbridge
road
to
the
front,
accessing
down
past
albert
house
to
to
the
to
the
four
four
dwellings
of
the
at
the
rear
and
albert
house
and
coach
house
retaining
the
garden
space
for
such
a
within
the
blue
line
there
some
of
the
elevations.
F
This
is
these
the
very
fault
for
what
terraces,
as
you
can
see,
very
traditional
in
character,
stones,
natural
stone
is
used
with
this
slate
roofs,
see
chimney,
detail
in
projecting
bays
and
sliding
sash
windows
of
the
traditional
features,
so
picking
up
the
character
of
the
white
wire
conservation
area
and
this
elevation
the
rear
elevation
rifle
doors
out
onto
the
garden
area.
F
But
again,
very
traditional,
and-
and
here
you
can
see
it's
alongside
the
adjacent,
relatively
new
development
on
number
five,
you
can
see
sort
of
a
comparable
scale
of
development
to
to
what's
next
door.
F
Just
the
the
block
plan
on
the
site.
It
shows
a
little
bit
more
detail.
The
original
plan,
the
this
area
here
is
original
stone
sets
which
it's
going
to
be
extended
to
form
a
courtyard
of
stone
stone
set
courtyard
between
all
the
all
the
properties,
and
this
provides
the
car
parking
for
for
for
the
new
properties,
you
can
see
it.
F
Each
property
has
usable,
generous
gardens
to
the
rear
in
terms
of
the
neighbouring
properties,
clearly,
the
the
closest
property
to
the
ones
here
at
number,
26
and
28,
more
part
villas
and
the
separation
to
which
to
the
rear.
Elevations
is
approximately
21
meters
to
the
rear
elevation
of
the
of
the
and
about
17
and
a
half
meters
to
the
rear
elevation.
F
If
this
is
that
this
is
a
conservatory
there,
so
that
that
does
exceed
the
the
12
required
12
meters
of
the
of
the
health
they
would
live
in
guide
and
to
the
rear
sunfield
golf,
the
the
separation
is
23
meters.
F
Again,
it's
exceeding
the
21
meters
of
of
the
design
guide
to
ensure
that
overshadowing
dominance
and
overlooking
issues
are
not
an
issue,
as
members
saw
on
site
earlier,
there's
a
there's,
a
similar
development
from
the
same
developer
just
around
the
corner,
which
gives
them
a
very
similar
house
type,
and
these
these
are
muslims.
These
are
semi-detached
and
they
do
have
dorm
windows.
The
front
elevation
which
aren't
on
the
bose
band,
but
I
I'll
remember.
F
Sometimes
it
is
a
it's
felt
to
be
a
good
quality
development
which
sits
nicely
within
the
within
the
conservation
area,
really
good
stone
detail
into
the
properties
you
know
appropriate
for
the
conservation
area
and
the
stone
sets
which
which
extended
the
original
ones
similar
to
what
we
were
proposing
on
this
development,
really
sort
of
helps
to
sort
of
set
it
within
that
heritage.
Setting
I
just
another
photograph
again,
just
showing
it.
Let's
say
that
the
the
these
drama
windows
aren't
on
the
properties
of
linux
is
a.
F
F
So,
in
conclusion,
I
think
development
creates
four
new
dwellings
in
a
sustainable
location
which
is
complying
with
policy
h2
of
the
core
strategy,
and
this,
of
course
weighs
ways
in
favor
of
the
development.
However,
members
need
to
weigh
this
up
against
the
all
the
other
material
planning
issues
and,
in
this
regard,
is
considered
that
there
are
perhaps
two
principal
issues
for
consideration.
F
Firstly,
is
the
layout
design
scale
and
use
materials
or
development
development
acceptable,
preserving
the
character
of
both
albert
house
and
the
wider
conservation
area
and
policies,
p10
p11
and
the
far
heavenly
conservation
area
appraisal
of
the
relevant
policies
in
this
regard,
and,
secondly,
does
the
development
have
an
exceptional
impact
on
the
immunity
of
of
the
occupants
of
neighbouring
properties?
F
I
think
particularly
the
occupants
of
nearby
properties
on
more
part,
villages,
some
field,
garth
and
policies,
gp5
of
the
udp
and
the
neighborhoods
for
living
design
guide
are
the
most
relevant
policies
in
this
regard,
and
and
with
that
I'll
pass
that,
to
you
sure.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
have
got
darren
robinson
to
speak
in
the
objection.
A
L
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
panel,
I'm
here
speaking
as
a
long-term
resident
of
moorpark
villas
and
on
behalf
of
those
who
object
to
this
development.
We
believe
this
proposal
should
be
refused
or
at
the
very
least
reconsidered,
for
the
following
reasons.
We
have
concerns
about
over
development
and
the
environment.
The
proposal
is
disproportionate,
given
the
size
of
the
specific
area
for
development
to
the
rear
of
albert
house.
L
The
report
of
the
chief
planning
officer
references
the
council's
core
strategy
policy
p10.
We
also
wish
to
reference,
said
policy
on
page
103.
It
lists
key
principles
that
should
be
accorded
when
supporting
a
proposal.
For
example,
principle
point
one,
the
size,
scale
and
design
layout
of
the
development
is
appropriate
to
its
context.
L
It's
difficult
to
understand
how
this
proposal
is
not
classed
as
over
development,
given
the
tight
boundaries
so
close
to
existing
homes
and
the
imposing
nature
of
four
9.5
meter
high
houses.
That
will
be
within
view
of
a
number
of
neighbouring
properties,
not
to
mention
recent
planning
permission
granted
to
extend
albert
house
to
build
a
swimming
pool.
We
understand.
No
individual
has
the
right
to
a
view.
L
However,
all
homeowners
do
have
the
right
to
be
able
to
enjoy
their
properties
and
the
imposing
and
dominant
nature
of
this
development
would
absolutely
infringe
upon
that,
given
its
size,
visual
impact
and
nature
lots
of
green
open
spaces
are
concerned
in
an
already
densely
popular
part
of
leeds
area.
Part
of
leeds
and
the
consequence
of
this
we'll
have
on
declining
wildlife
and
we
believe,
will
continue
to
decline
as
a
result.
We
also
have
concerns
about
the
safety
of
local
residents
and
motorists.
L
We're
also
concerned
that
for
pedestrians,
who
pass
the
entrance
on
their
way
to
and
from
school,
often
with
push
chairs
and
or
young
children,
particularly
joining
bing
during
bing
collection
days
bids,
have
frequently
created
a
narrower
pathway
on
this
dangerous
part
of
munbridge
road.
We
also
wish
to
reiterate
that
alex
sobel
mp,
a
local
resident
in
the
proposed
development
area,
objects
to
the
development,
in
addition
to
numerous
neighboring
homeowners.
L
The
strength
of
feeling
against
this
proposal
is
strong.
Increasing
the
number
of
vehicles
within
such
a
small
space
is
not
in
keeping
with
elite
city
council
desire
for
a
low
carbon
economy.
We
would
argue
that
no
final
decision
should
be
forthcoming
today,
given
the
absence
of
certain
important
information,
including
the
biodiversity
net
game
plan.
I
wish
to
finish
by
reading
out
comments
published
by
the
conservation
team,
which
appeared
to
be
concerned
with
much
more
than
materials
to
be
used.
L
L
A
different
approach
to
the
design
which
linked
to
the
houses
to
the
existing
coach
house
and
was
subordinate
in
mass
with
a
reduced
plan,
depth
and
height,
could
preserve
the
conservation
area.
In
summary,
members
of
the
panel,
we
believe
this
proposal
is
incredibly
unsympathetic
to
existing
residents
and
albert
house
and
should
be
declined
or,
at
the
very
least
reconsidered.
A
A
A
A
We
now
have
william
london
speaking
in
favor
of
the
application,
william.
M
First,
I'd
like
to
thank
lawrence
hill
for
his
time,
considering
this
application
and
his
positive
engagement
in
the
process.
As
you'll
know,
the
site
has
a
previous
approval
for
nine
units,
which
was
approved
and
then
extended,
and
the
site
is
recognized
under
the
leeds
council
site
allocation
plan
for
a
further
nine
units.
M
We
believe
this
application
is
more
considered
approach
for
the
site.
It
retains
albert
house
as
one
single
unit
with
adequate
amenity
space
on
the
land
to
the
west
of
albert
house,
which
catches
the
afternoon
sun
perfectly
and
can
be
accessed
from
one
of
the
principal
reception
rooms.
We
feel
this
application
is
proportionate
in
scale
for
the
site.
A
development
of
nine
units
would
require
substantial
increase
in
parking
provision
and
the
loss
of
trees
on
the
site,
which
would
cause
harm
to
the
conservation
area.
M
This
application
requires
the
removal
of
no
trees
and
does
not
change
the
front
aspect
of
albert
house.
The
development
received
positive
pre-application
advice
and,
through
the
process,
we've
engaged
positively
with
the
council
to
reach
what
we
feel
is
the
best
outcome
for
the
site.
The
planning
officer
has
recommended
the
application
for
approval.
M
We
feel
that
we're
responding
to
the
climate
crisis
by
constructing
using
highly
insulated
sips
panels
and
we've
just
completed
our
first
air
source
heat
pump
dwellings
and
we
intend
to
use
the
same
technology
on
this
site.
We're
happy
to
accept
a
condition
conditioning
us
to
not
use
gas
on
the
site
whatsoever.
M
Over
the
last
few
years,
this
committee
or
your
offices
under
delegated
powers,
have
granted
us
the
following:
infill
and
brownfield
permission
elton
lodge
24
units,
broad
lane,
8
units,
cockroft
house,
16
units,
coach
house,
1
unit,
michael
field
lodge
6
units,
sandfield
house,
13
units,
willow
house,
13
units
and,
last
but
not
least,
back
heathfield
terrace,
which
I
understand
you
saw
this
morning,
five
units.
This
is
89
properties
which
leads
needed
now.
I'd
like
you
to
consider
the
effect
of
86
new
build
houses
on
one
of
the
many
greenfield
sites
on
the
outskirts
of
leeds.
M
Not
only
is
there
a
loss
of
greenfield
land,
but
these
developments
continue
to
foster
a
car
culture.
People
in
these
new
greenfield
developments
default
to
the
car
for
shopping,
going
out
and
child
care.
All
of
the
infill
and
brownfield
developments
above
and
the
one
you
are
considering
today
you
can
walk
to
local
shops
and
amenities.
You
can
walk
to
a
nursery
or
primary
schools.
If
these
86
units
save
three
two-way
car
journeys
per
dwelling
per
day
over
the
next
20
years,
these
planning
commissions
will
have
saved
over
1
million
883
400
car
journeys.
M
I
appreciate
no
one
wants
development
in
their
local
community,
but
this
application
is
policy
compliant.
It
meets
the
guidelines
in
neighborhood
for
living
in
the
street
design
guide
the
council's
own
guidance
and
their
pre-application
advice
was
considered
from
the
outset.
From
the
very
moment,
the
development
was
considered
as
a
local
builder.
M
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
sorry?
Why
do
I
call
it
darn?
Sorry,
william,
are
there
any
questions
for
william
councillor
walsha.
M
Be
happy
to
accept
a
condition
that
conditions
us
to
not
using
any
gas
in
the
new
build
properties.
We've
just
successfully
done
a
development
with
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
underfloor
heating,
while
the
capital
cost
is
higher.
It
sells
well
to
future
occupiers
and
there's
no
large
scale.
Builders
like
barrett
or
permission
homes
or
anyone
else
that
are
using
air
source,
heat
pumps,
etc.
On
developments
of
this
sort
of
scale,
and
at
this
price
point,
so
we
feel
like
it's
a
really
unique
proposition,
and
and
for
us
it.
M
F
Clarified
that
the
report
does
talk
about
the
air
source
he's
pumped,
so
it
was
part.
C
Can
I
just
ask
a
quick
one?
A
couple
of
us
were
on
the
side
visit.
Remember
we've
been
to
see
that
this
property
on
several
occasions
are
we,
assuming
that
all
the
existing
but
perhaps
not
started
planning
permissions
will
drop.
F
The
the
redevelopment
applications
referred
to
on
the
site
that
that's
that's
lapsed,
that
that
was
proved
back
in
2011,
so
that
has
now
elapsed.
The
the
approval
for
the
swimming
pool,
which
members
considered
is
is
still
is
still
live.
So
in
theory
that
could
be
implemented.
F
It
wouldn't
impact
on
this
development
because
it's
in
a
other
part
of
the
site-
and
it's
it's
an
extension
to
albert
house,
but
so
there's
nothing
within
this
application
which
would
prevent
that
that's
happening,
but
that
that
application
will
be
lapped
in
the
next
year
or
so.
E
I
hadn't
I
talked
about
this
on
site
visits
morning,
paragraph
23,
neighborhood
plan.
It
says
far
headingly
west
park,
wheatwood
design
statement
and
I
personally
can't
see
any
other
reference
to
anything
in
the
report
they're
after.
So
what
does
that
paragraph?
What
what?
What
does
that
say
about
this
type
of
development
in
the.
F
That
I
mean
that
that's
the
design
statement
for
the
area-
it's
not
yeah
it
just
talks
about
it,
picks
up
on
the
far
heavenly
conservation
appraisal,
sort
of
picks
up
on
those
points,
but
it
just
it
talks
about
the
importance
of
the
green
spaces
and
maintaining
those
and
for
development
to
to
to
respect
and
respond
to
like
local
characters.
F
So
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't,
as
we've
discussed
on
site,
it
doesn't
prevent
background
development,
but
it
ensures
that
if
we
are
looking
to
develop
these
areas
of
green
space
or
large
gardens,
it
needs
to
be
reflected
and
reflect
the
character
of
the
area.
So
it
doesn't,
it
provides
it.
F
E
F
A
No,
should
we
go
into
comments.
Anyone
want
to
comment
the
only
comment
that
I
had
when
I
first
see
this
application.
I
was
in
casuals
of
the
entrance
and
the
trees,
but
with
no
trees
moving
and
the
entrance
going
to
remain.
I'm
quite
personally
happy
with
the
application
for
that,
but
that
was
my
main
concern
when
I
first
saw
the
application
thinking,
there'll
be
trees,
disappear
and
things,
but
there'll
be
no
trees.
Councillor
welsh.
I
Yeah
thanks,
chair
yeah.
I
agree
with
your
comments
about
the
the
access
arrangements.
I
think
that
that's
perfectly
reasonable.
I
mean
this
is
this
is
an
area
I
know
very
well
because
back
in
the
day
when
we
could
actually
afford
a
community
planner,
we
did
a
lot
of
work
on
some
of
the
documents
that
barry's
barry's
mentioned
and,
to
my
mind,
this
development
is
to
kind
of
phrase
from
the
efforts
presentation
well
considered.
I
I
think
it
is
in
accord
with
those
general
design
documents
and
I
think
it
fits
in
well,
it's
an
area
that
I
know
well.
I've
knocked
on
many
many
many
doors
in
this
area,
as
you
might
imagine,
and
I
do
think
it
actually
does
fit
in
quite
well
with
the
area.
It's
just
so
we
have
a
familiar
a
familiarity
with
it.
Councillor
reagan,
yes
anyway,
but
what
I
particularly
like
about
it
is
the
the
the
approach
to
carbon
and
then
climate.
I
I
think
it's
encouraging
to
see
small
scale
developers
looking
towards
sips
looking
towards
air
source
heat
pumps,
and
I
think
a
no
gas
condition
will
be
an
excellent
start.
I
think
it's
a
development
that
enables
us
to
put
down
yet
another
marker
in
leads
that
we're
serious
about
climate
emergency
and
that's,
I
think,
that
tips
and
scales
for
me,
chair,
so
an
appropriate
juncture.
I'd
be
prepared
to
move
the
recommendations.
A
Totally
agree
councillor
well
sure,
that's
the
start
forward
from
leeds
with
environment,
so
council
offshore
proposed
to
move,
and
it's
been
second
we're
going
to
go
from
here
now.
This
move
in
seconds.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
the
application.
A
B
What's
up
steve
chair
just
then
for
clarity,
the
motion
is
being
carried
to
approve
the
application
grants
subject
to
the
conditions
that
are
listed
on
page
19
to
20,
plus
with
an
additional
condition
to
encompass
the
the
the
no
gas
and
the
provision
of
the
heat
ground
source
heat
pumps.
Thank
you
so.
A
A
H
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
richard
smith,
principal
planning
officer
in
the
south
and
west
team,
as
toby's
the
slide
on
there.
I'm
going
to
do
a
very,
very
brief,
quick
run
through,
but
it
is
ultimately
the
applicant's
presentation.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
just
want
to
set
the
context
briefly
the
application
which
is
made
by
the
applicant's,
fuller
and
forbes
healthcare.
This
is
a
pre-application
inquiry
and
there's
also
some
commentary
to
be
provided
by
ward
member
scopes.
H
Essentially,
this
is
a
preparation
query
on
two
sites
for
your
consideration
today,
and
this
is
to
replace
the
existing
gp
surgery
at
cottonlee,
which
has
been
no
longer,
which
has
been
deemed
no
longer
fit
for
purpose
by
the
cqc,
and
we
are
up
against
it
in
terms
of
their
time
frame
at
that
building.
For
that
reason,
we're
looking
at
these
two
different
sites
with
two
different
characteristics.
H
The
proposal
amounts
to
approximately
2
400
square
meters,
of
of
health
care,
principally
for
costly
residents,
but
there
will
be
potentially
further
residents
expected
from
neighboring
southeast
communities
and
that's
for
the
following
reasons.
The
gp
center
will
consist
of
both
medical
facilities,
but
it
will
also
provide
other
hospital
services
for
outpatients
in
the
surrounding
areas.
H
The
two
sites
themselves,
then,
on
the
presentation
in
front
of
you
you've
got
option
one
down
on
the
ring
road
side.
You've
also
got
there
option
two,
which
is
in
the
costly
vale
estate
area,
quite
near
to
the
existing
shopping
precinct
itself.
Just
quickly.
The
option
one
site
is
green
space.
It's
an
existing
area
of
green
space,
approximately
0.6
for
hectare
access
is
taken
off
the
ring
road
option.
Two
site
is
actually
in
the
main
urban
area.
Essentially,
this
would
stay.
H
This
would
be
entirely
held
within
the
main
urban
area,
but
there
may
be
some
possibility,
depending
on
parking
surveys
where
we
might
look
towards
some
of
the
existing
surrounding
green
space
for
extra
parking.
H
But
that's
certainly
a
question
mark
only
at
this
stage
there
are
some
consistent
and
also
very
different
material
considerations
that
characterize
two
sites
and
developments
which
captured
in
the
report
without
repeating
those
all
in
detail.
The
key
issues
I
want
to
highlight
today
are
as
follows:
the
provision
of
the
health
care
facility
locationally
in
respect
of
core
strategy
policy,
p9
community
services,
in
particular,
which
considers
new
community
facilities
being
accessible
by
foot,
cycling
and
public
transport,
the
relationship
and
links
to
existing
shopping
and
community
facilities
in
the
area.
H
Again,
going
back
to
policy
p9,
we
also
need
to
consider
carefully
the
highway
considerations,
both
particularly
the
access
to
site
one
and
also
the
parking
considerations
around
site
two,
where
there's
less
opportunities
to
create
new
additional
parking
courts.
This
may
involve
potentially
some
further
infield
parking.
Therefore,
at
site
too
so
immediately.
Considerations
to
both
sites
and
their
respective
adjoining
land
uses
site
site.
One,
as
you
will
know,
is
next
to
the
cemetery,
the
crematorium.
H
So
therefore
there
are
some
issues
around
potentially
noise
and
part
of
site.
One
does
offer
the
opportunity
to
potentially
develop
a
multi-use
games
area
potentially
on
that
site.
It
may
be
best
placed
elsewhere,
given
the
closeness
of
the
crematorium
from
an
immunity
perspective
and
then
also
in
terms
of
site
two,
it's
also
very
near
the
residential
accommodation
in
terms
of
the
twin
tower
blocks
and
the
surrounding
estate.
H
There
are
also
mature
trees
on
both
sides
actually
or
certainly
adjacent
to
site
number
one
on
that
line.
The
ring
road,
and
also
in
the
corner
near
to
the
dolphton
court,
sheltered
housing
complex
at
site,
two
there's
element
flood
risk
that
does
exist
to
site
one
in
terms
of
the
access
being
just
set
within
flood
zones.
Two
and
three,
but
that's
the
only
other
issue.
I
really
want
to
focus
on
just
got
a
very,
very
brief,
update
chair
in
terms
of
the
report,
particularly
just
really
in
terms
of
site.
H
Two
highways
have
now
commented
on
site.
Two
they've
raised
sort
of
four
key
principle
issues:
one
is
parking
demand
for
the
proposals
would
need
to
be
very
carefully
understood
and
that
would
be
through
potentially
through
detailed
parking
surveys
as
well
as
obviously
further
clarification
around
staff
and
consulting
room
numbers.
H
Number
two
number
three
is:
the
developer
needs
to
pay
for
some
traffic
regulation
almost
potentially,
if
it
was
deemed
that
we
would
need
to
provide
further
restrictions
in
terms
of
on-street
parking
in
the
area
of
site
two
and
then
lastly,
alterations
to
existing
bus
stop
would
require
consultation
with
west
yorkshire
combined
authority
if
the
bus
stop
was
to
move
as
part
of
site,
two's
development.
H
Very
briefly,
flood
risk
management,
they've
outlined
as
a
foul
surface
water
drain,
sewer
that
crosses
just
touches
into
sight
at
the
back
of
the
shopping
precincts.
Therefore,
consultation
with
yorkshire
water
would
be
expected,
and
also,
lastly,
local
plans
and
policy
who
have
commented
against
site
two.
They
essentially
say
that
the
land's
not
designated
allocating
the
local
plan.
As
per
the
report,
it's
brownfield
land
main
urban
area
instead
of
in
a
regeneration
area.
H
So
in
principle
they
support
this
site
under
the
location
of
development,
the
the
regeneration
priority
program
area
it
sits
within,
and
the
community
facilities
and
other
services
policy
p9
the
site,
like
numbers
site
number
one
site
two-
does
include
trees
and
existing
areas
of
parking
both
which
require
careful
consideration.
They
say.
H
Lastly,
they
also
say
there's
there's
potential
to
share
some
residential
and
health
care
parking
and
site.
Two
would
allow
for
potential
wider
regeneration
opportunities
of
this
area,
particularly
in
exploring
the
ways
in
which
we
can
rebuild
or
regenerate
the
existing
1970s
neighbourhood
shopping
parade,
the
shopping
precincts
adjacent
to
site.
Two
therefore,
chair
I'll
hand
over
to
the
applicants
to
do
their
presentation
and
obviously
take
questions
as
and
when.
N
N
It
was
last
inspected
by
the
cqc
health
regulator
in
2018
and
who
found
several
parts
of
the
facility
were
not
healthcare,
compliant
suggested
in
the
cqc
report
that
we
should
consider
either
improving
them
or
moving
as
a
master
of
urgency,
as
the
practice
would
be
considered
unsafe
for
the
provision
of
health
care.
So
we
then
developed
a
plan
to
move
to
the
fullerton
site
next
to
ellen
road
and
had
planning
approval
working
with
the
council
to
move
the
gp
surgery
to
this
site.
N
The
reason
for
obviously
redeveloping
the
primary
care
medical
center
is
to
improve
the
healthcare
facilities
for
staff
and
patients
alike
and
to
make
sure
that
secrecy
compliant,
but
also
to
create
a
one-stop
shop
where
you
have
several
different
medical
services
positioned
in
the
same
building.
So
that
would
be
the
hospital
community
lead
city,
council
services,
wrapping
around
a
holistic
approach
to
patient
care.
N
I've
done
this
same
design
in
newcastle,
burnley
and
devon,
and
it's
worked
very
well
to
create
a
one-stop
shop
for
patients,
and
we've
had
conversations
already
with
the
hospital
who
are
interested
in
using
space
for
outpatients
diagnostics,
leads
community
healthcare
interest
in
using
space
and
a
local
pharmacy
provision
within
the
building
itself.
N
Any
lead
city
council
space
provided
through
financial
housing
services
would
be
provided
free
within
the
building,
because
a
lot
of
patients
in
that
sort
of
demographic
encounter
social
issues
that
present
later
on
as
medical
issues,
so
being
able
to
treat
them
in
the
same
building
and
with
local
authority
services,
would
be
very
helpful.
O
O
Okay,
so
our
gather
members
have
been
on
a
site
visit
this
morning
to
hopefully
refresh
themselves
on
the
area,
but
just
as
a
very
brief
overview,
you
can
see
the
cutting
list
located
around
two
and
a
half
miles
from
the
city
center,
just
below
the
m621
just
zoom
in
a
little
bit
more,
so
you
can
see
the
location
of
the
existing
gp
surgery
there
identified
in
the
yellow
and
the
boundary
of
the
cutting
list
in
the
red
bordered
by
the
railway
line,
the
motorway
in
the
ring
road
just
again
just
a
brief
overview
of
the
current
medical
center.
O
So
it's
been
mentioned.
It's
not
compliant
with
current
nhs
standards.
It's
small
in
capacity
of
only
two
clinical
rooms
lax
facilities
such
as
a
clean
and
dirty
utility
rooms,
patient
interview
rooms,
staff
facilities.
It's
got
poor
accessibility,
there's
no
disabled
parking
on
site,
so
the
the
implications
are.
A
lot
of
presidents
in
the
area.
Can't
don't
use
this
center
and
kind
of
go
wider,
a
field
which
isn't
really
an
ideal
situation.
O
So
then,
as
marx
mentioned,
the
aspiration
is
to
put
a
one-stop
medical
facility
on
the
site.
We've
included
a
plan
there
of
the
old
woodley
center.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea-
and
it
might
be-
one
members
are
familiar
with
in
terms
of
scale
and
type
of
facility,
so
sort
of
the
traditional
gp
medical
center
at
the
bottom
of
the
building,
nhs
facilities
and
upper
floors
and
then
supported
by
council
and
sort
of
other
healthcare
related
facilities.
O
O
One
again,
the
plan
offers
kind
of
kind
of
been
through
this,
but
adjacent
to
the
ring
road,
the
edge
of
the
playing
fields,
some
aerial
views
of
the
site
there,
and
what
we've
also
done
is
provided
some
indicative
layouts
and
we're
looking
at
principles
here
in
terms
of
kind
of
which
sites
which
location,
but
just
to
help,
give
an
idea
of
scale
and
context.
O
The
medical
center
located
at
the
north
west
of
the
site
adjacent
to
the
ring
road,
giving
it
a
bit
of
prominence
parking
located
beneath,
but
returning
the
tree
belt.
That's
there,
and
in
appreciating
in
doing
this,
it
does
remove
some
of
the
sporting
aspects
of
the
science
they're,
trying
to
mitigate
that.
Putting
a
multi-use
games
area
on
it,
the
location
could
be,
could
differ
if
needs
be
again
planning
officer,
as
mentioned
there
may
be
things
like
outdoor
gym
equipment
and
paths
that
could
root
through
the
site.
O
Let's
get
through
there,
just
sort
of
again
just
give
a
bit
of
indication
of
how
it
could
look,
how
it
could
be
developed.
Then
the
second
option
considered
is
the
one
marshal
from
the
cottingley
center.
So
at
the
moment,
that's
areas
of
footpaths,
some
landscaping
and
car
parking
and
adjacent
to
the
current
shopping
center.
O
Again
it's
been
mentioned
is
the
capacity
for
more
parking
in
this
area,
given
if
the
medical
center
would
bring
its
own
need
for
parking.
So
let's
just
identify
some
areas
where
additional
parking
could
go
within
the
sort
of
current
area,
so
the
red
area
looked
kind
of
locates
areas.
That
would
be
fairly
easy
to
look
at
additional
parking
in
in
within.
O
As
part
of
this
again,
we
have
council
officers.
We've
been
discussing
the
context
of
how
this
going
to
interact
with
the
adjacent
shopping
center
so
constructed
in
the
70s
in
sort
of
last
decade.
15
years,
part
of
it
has
been
demolished,
so
you're
left
with
a
center
that
really
doesn't
function
that
well
or
works
of
work
as
well
in
sort
of
contemporary
times.
Not
very
welcoming.
O
It's
got
an
indoor
aspect,
as
this
photo
shows
so
as
part
of
this
redevelopment.
This
next
slide
shows
a
indication
of
how
it
could
work.
Perhaps
the
shopping
center
could
be
renovated
as
part
of
that
maybe
remove
the
indoor
element
and
move
the
shopping
area
to
the
facade
of
the
building
to
try
and
make
it
a
bit
more
interactive
between
the
medical
center
and
the
shopping
centre.
We
could
create
kind
of
like
a
village
square,
almost
feel
on
axis
with
the
primary
school,
which
is
again
one
of
the
aspect.
O
Residents
of
quite
like
that,
the
the
primary
school
has
that
visibility
to
try
to
reinforce
that
you
can
see
where
we've
created
the
parking
so
making
better
use
of
the
parking
that
exists
in
that
area
and
then
the
final
one
we've
got
and
again.
This
is
just
showing
you
an
indication,
but
how
this
could
be
developed,
so
sort
of
a
two
three
storey
medical
facility
and
the
shopping
center
to
the
right
of
the
screen
trying
to
make
that
appear
a
bit
more
welcoming
and
it
could
be
if
that
is
considered
suitable
for
regeneration.
O
The
pharmacy
unit,
for
example,
could
go
within
that
facility.
Cafe
is
good
girlfriend
solutions,
sort
of
spill
out
to
the
space
between
and
then
they
again,
as
mentioned
the
facility
on
access
to
the
primary
school
so
trying
to
create
that
public
space
in
between
that's
an
overview
for
myself
at
the
mark.
If
you
haven't
had
any
final
comments,
so
no
so
thank
you.
That's
our
presentation.
C
A
couple
of
questions,
the
obvious
one
of
course
is:
can
you
upgrade?
Why
can't
can
you
or
why
can't
you
upgrade
the
existing?
That's
part
one.
You
wanna
answer
that
first.
N
So
we've
contemplated
that,
but
just
the
structure
of
the
current
medical
center,
it's
built
into
the
side
of
the
church
above
and
I'm
not
able
to
extend
and
generate
consultation
rooms.
At
the
moment,
the
actual
medical
facility
only
has
two
functioning
consultation
rooms,
so
you
can
have
one
nurse
you
can
have
one
gp,
but
you
can't
provide
any
more
appointments
and
its
proximity
just
to
the
cottony
drive
at
the
front,
means
that
it's
gonna
be
very
difficult
to
extend
the
footprint
of
the
building.
C
So
what
you're
saying
to
us
is
we
can't
knock
down
the
one.
We've
got
and
build
a
new
one
on
site,
all
right.
Okay,
that's
fine,
and
I've
now
got
a
complete
blank
about
what
the
second
question
was
so
bear
with
me
and
I
might
come
back.
C
N
So
the
building
at
the
moment
is
owned
by
the
charity,
which
is
located
just
above
in
in
cottonley,
and
what
we
did
do
with
the
initial
application
to
the
console.
I
did
the
fullerton
site
and
we
would
also
do
it
in
this.
One
is
support
the
finances
back
to
the
charity
so
that
we
could
use
that
building
for
peer
support
groups
for
the
local
community,
it'll
be
like
a
well-being
center,
so
realizing
that
I
don't
want
to
destabilize
the
charity
that
exists
on
the
notional
render
it
gets
from
the
building
from
the
nhs.
D
Thank
you
yeah.
Do
you
have
a
preferred
option
in
terms
of
you
know
which
you
you
would
like
to
see,
come
forward
option
one
or
option
two,
and
why.
N
It's
a
difficult
question:
I
did
initially
have
a
preferred
option,
which
was
next
to
the
dual
carriageway,
and
the
reason
for
that
was
the
financial
envelope
for
the
build
would
be
very
high
and
one
of
the
notional
rents
or
the
income
generated
to
the
practice
is
from
patients
joining
so
being
close
and
approximate
to
the
dual
carriageway.
Where
patients
can
see
the
medical
center
helps
the
list
size
grow
to
support,
obviously
the
mortgage
on
the
building,
but
I
can
also
see
the
added
benefit
of
redeveloping
the
center
of
cotton
leaf
for
patients
alike.
N
My
only
reservation
with
the
redevelopment
of
the
centre
is
that
if
the
hospital
is
as
interested
in
the
leeds
community,
healthcare
are
as
interested
in
the
positioning
services.
There
is
the
inflow
of
traffic
to
the
estate
and
just
making
sure
that
there's
enough
parking
spaces
to
serve
not
just
the
primary
care
centre,
but
also
the
hospital
and
the
community
services,
and
not
to
mention
leeds
city
council
services.
N
I
don't
want
to
populate
conley
estate
with
lots
of
cars
traveling
around
in
circles
trying
to
find
parking
locations,
which
is
why
the
original
option
was
option
one.
Next,
the
dual
carriageway,
but
there's
obviously
reservations
about
a
green
space
loss.
G
Hi
good
afternoon,
everyone
thanks
for
letting
me
speak
just
in
terms
of
introduction.
My
name
is
andrew
scopes,
I'm
a
councillor
for
the
beast
and
holbeck
ward
and
cottingley
is
within
that
ward.
I'm
gonna,
let
the
others
make
the
technical
arguments
around
the
the
building
regulations
that
what
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
is
the
human
need
for
gp
access
in
cottingly
and
the
importance
of
that.
G
So,
as
you've
already
heard
cutting
me
is
like
an
island,
so
it's
got
the
motorway
on
one
side.
It's
got
the
railway
on
the
other
side
and
the
other
two
sides
have
major
roads
and
there's
low
car
car
ownership
and
the
bus
service
isn't
as
good
as
any
of
us
would
would
would
like
to
see
it.
G
G
I
saw
the
picture
up
just
a
minute
ago
and
it
looks
like
a
big
building,
which
is
where
I
guess,
colin's
questions
came
from,
but
ultimately
that's
a
cockney
community
center,
which
is
managed
by
a
charity
and
they've
only
got
two
rooms
downstairs
and,
and
frankly
it's
not
it's
not
good
enough
for
quite
any
residents,
and
that
is
why
some
of
them
don't
use
the
cottony
gp
surgery
in.
G
In
my
view,
the
risk
of
losing
the
gp
from
this
state,
I
think
is,
is
real
and
is
a
material
risk
for
the
health
and
well-being
of
of
my
residents.
G
I
I
think
the
other
thing
that's
really
important
to
just
highlight
about
chronic.
So
it's
an
area
of
is
a
high
deprivation.
I
don't
like
using
statistical
terms
to
refer
to
people,
but
that's
the
language
of
I
guess,
of
planning
and
and
the
council.
G
So
we
we
need
to
recognize
that
a
lot
of
our
residents
do
have
a
lot
of
needs
and
when
we
hear
about
the
ideas
about
having
free
access
for
council
services
like
housing
options
like
debt
advice
options
which
do
it
eventually
and
we
all
know
they
do
lead
to
health
issues,
we've
got
to
see
that
as
a
real
opportunity
for
cottingley
a
larger
practice.
Also,
I
think,
would
ensure
that
cotton
retains
its
practice.
G
So
if
we
have
other
people
coming
in
to
cottingly
to
get
their
medical
needs
met,
I
can
only
see
that
as
a
good
thing
and
perhaps
making
currently
more
of
a
center
like
a
local
center
rather
than
somewhere
that
and
as
a
destination
wouldn't
be
bad
for
cockney
at
all,
it
would
improve
the
service.
I
think
that
is
undeniable
by
the.
If
you
look
at
the
plans
versus
what's
there
coming
there
as
a
I
don't
know,
if
it's
good
or
bad,
they
didn't
show
you
a
picture
of
the
inside
of
the
current
surgery.
G
So
that's
really
important.
I
guess
I'd
also
just
like
to
say
my
preference
is
for
option
two.
I
think
that's
particularly
strong
in
terms
of
its
merits:
it's
in
the
middle
of
cottingly,
it's
near
the
covent
pharmacy,
doing
doing
something
radical
in
that
center.
If
we
can
package
that
up
with
the
new
gp
surgery,
we're
really
good
for
the
area.
The
picture
at
the
end
where
the
whole
area
is
redesigned
more
like
a
local
center,
I
think,
is
fantastic.
G
I
think
the
other
thing
that's
important
to
note
is
it's
right
next
to
doverton
court,
which
is
sheltered,
accommodation
so
having
a
gp
as
your
next
door
building.
G
If
you
live
in
sheltered
accommodation,
I
I
think
that
would
be
very
well
received
the
I
think
in
terms
of
the
parking
I
think
we've
got
to
the
importance
of
green
space
in
any
area,
but
we've
got
to
balance
that
with
the
need
for
a
gp
center,
and
I
think,
particularly
in
option
two,
you
can
see
a
small
loss
of
grass
space
for
additional
parking
for
a
really
really
material
benefit.
G
In
my
view,
it's
very
very
easy
to
justify,
so
just
in
closing.
I
want
to
be
absolutely
clear
to
the
panel
that
I'm
asking
for
your
full
support
for
this
and
asking
officers
to
find
pragmatic
solutions
to
the
challenges
such
as
parking
and
and
recognize
that
there
may
be
some
some
loss
in
terms
of
small
amounts
of
green
space,
but
we've
got
to
push
through
that
and
find
pragmatic
solutions
for
a
new
gp
practice
in
cottonwood.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you.
I
think
those
of
us,
certainly
those
of
us
who
were
on
site
this
morning
and
listening
to
the
two
people
before
you.
I
think
we
understand
the
the
effectively
we
understand
the
need
for
a
new
surgery.
C
So
we
understand
the
principle
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are
saying
we
wouldn't
agree
to
that.
I
think
there
are
two
elements,
though,
as
you
say
you
are
going
to
whichever
site
you
choose
you're
going
to
lose
some
green
space
and
there
isn't
a
lot
of
green
space
in
cottingley,
so
losing
any
is
something
you
really
want
to
avoid.
C
It
might
actually
make
the
the
the
the
whole
of
that
particular
area.
More
vibrant.
The
cafe
might
be
more
effective
the
pharmacy.
Obviously
it
might
link
there's
a
post
office
sign,
so
I've
seen
them
as
a
post
office
in
there
all
those
other
elements.
So
I
just
wondered:
if
you'd
have
that
sort
of
discussion.
G
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
those
are
very
good
questions.
I
think
first
in
terms
of
the
location,
as
you
saw
from
one
of
the
slides,
a
number
of
sites
was
considered
around
cottingley
and
the
two
you
got
presented
to
sort
of
the
the
best
two
out
of
those
sites,
so
trying
to
find
a
site
has
had
a
lot
more
thought
than
what
you've
seen
today
in
terms
of
the
green
space.
I
totally
agree.
We
can
always
have
more
green
space.
G
We
built
a
playground
in
cottingley
back
in
2019
and
that's
been
very
well
received,
because
the
play
space
is
so
important,
I'm
in
terms
of
the
center,
if
it
as
you'll,
see
it's
sort
of
got
this
funny.
If
you've
been
there,
it's
got
this
funny
flat
roof
with
these
sort
of
mini
pyramids,
which
I
think
was
was
trendy
when
it
was
built,
but
the
pragmaticalities
of
that
have
been
pretty
disastrous,
so
it
leaks
a
lot.
If
we're
honest,
there's
been
antisocial
behavior
of
young
people
who
climb
on
the
roof.
G
So,
whenever
it's
fixed,
there's
a
there's,
a
foot
that
goes
through
some
of
it
and
it
leaks
again
if
you've
been
inside
the
building,
you
will
have
seen.
In
fact
we
saw
a
photo
of
it
earlier
on
it's.
I
don't
think
it's
disparaging
to
call
it
dingy,
that's
the
reality
of
the
center.
G
My
my
personal
view
is
an
option
would
be
to
relocate
some
of
the
the
shops
into
a
slightly
larger
center
and
use
the
center
as
a
car
park
to
flatten
it
and
build
parking
space.
That
would
be
my
personal
view
of
the
center
I'd.
I
haven't
spoken
to
anyone
in
cottony
over
my
for
a
bit
years
as
a
councillor.
He
says
we
really
want
to
retain
the
current
center,
but
I
have
had
a
lot
of
people
saying
you
need
to
replace
the
roof.
You
need
to
knock
it
down.
G
You
need
to
build
a
new
one,
so
I
think
there's
a
there
could
be
another
vision
other
than
the
one
that
has
been
displayed
today,
where
you
have
the
center
one
place
and
then
and
then
the
bit
where
the
building
is
isn't
there
anymore?
I
think
the
challenge
around
that
would
be
would
be
funding.
G
I
think
asking
finding
who
would
fund
that
part
of
the
project
would
would
have
to
be
factored
in
and
again.
I
think
this
is
where
we
need
to
work
with
for
applicants
and
offices
to
find
pragmatic
solutions
to
to
how
we
can
make
this
work.
What
what
what
I
want
to
happen
is
sort
of
you
guys
to
give
authority
or
to
give
blessing
to
this
idea
of
let's
progress.
G
H
Okay
thanks
chair,
so
obviously
at
the
end
of
the
report,
we've
got
some
questions
for
members.
Questions.
Can
members.
K
The
district
center
development-
the
council-
has
got
these
lists
of
them.
I'm
wanting
to
know
is
that
included
in
it
within
the
council
to
develop
that
area,
and
when
I
looked
at
it
today,
I
can't
believe
that
they've
got
a
pharmacy
route
sort
of
round
up
the
back
out
of
the
way
you
know.
So
I
just
want
to
know
is
that
part
of
the
council
district
plan
to
develop
that
site.
H
Yeah
thanks.
That's
a
good
question:
it's
actually,
the
shopping
precinct
is
actually
not
part
of
a
designated
center.
It
it
kind
of
functions
and
looks
like
an
existing
center
and
normally
you'd
expect
it
to
be
allocated
as
a
center
in
our
local
plan.
But
it's
it's
not,
but
I
think
off
the
back
of
this
development
policy.
H
Colleagues
have
definitely
said
that
off
the
back
of
option
two,
it
would
be
probably
redesignated
as
a
center,
but
at
the
moment
it's
just
a
very
small
shopping
parade
or
precinct
it
is
is,
it
does
have
units
in
it.
Has
the
cottony
pharmacy,
as
you've
mentioned
with
the
post
office
within.
So
that's
quite
an
important
thing
to
remember.
It
also
has
a
news
agents
and
it
also
has
an
off
license.
H
There's
also
a
small
little
cafe
as
well.
So
the
units
are
quite
well
taken
up,
but
they
are,
they
are
potentially
potentially
not.
They
certainly
seem
better
days,
I
think,
working
with
commercial
asset
management.
The
view
is
that
there's
no
reason
why,
off
the
back
of
this
development,
we
could
look
to
refurbish.
You
know
re-evaluate
how
we,
you
know
showcase
those
particular
units
and
perhaps
there
might
be
a
a
redevelopment
of
the
internal
precinct
area
into
sort
of
more
external
facing
area
of
shop
units.
H
So
I
think
the
view
is
that
you
know
we
want
to
retain
the
pharmacy
business
at
all
costs,
particularly
because,
obviously
it's
such
an
important
function
to
the
residents.
If
we
can
do
that
as
part
of
a
redeveloped
center
and
then
it's
it's
designated
as
a
center,
and
that's
that's
probably
the
way
I
see
it
go
forward.
C
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
small
discussion
around
that.
If
you
don't
mind
me
saying
so,
could
the
highway
officers
tell
us
effectively
what
he
told
us
on
site
this
morning
in
relation
to
proposed
highway
works
and
how
they
would
affect
site?
One.
D
Yeah
thanks
thanks
counselor,
so
so
option
one.
The
reason
that
it's
highways
have
reservation
on
it
is
is
because
the
junction
will
need
to
be
set
back
so
much
because
of
the
proposed
highway
works
on
the
a6
110,
which
is
currently
our
advanced
public
consultation
stage,
and
that
there's
going
to
be
a
bus
lane
and
then
a
two-way
cycle
track
after
that,
and
then
what
would
that
mean?
D
Is
the
junction
will
have
to
be
set
back
and
to
measure
the
visibility
from
that
junction
to
your
looking
to
your
right
on
the
dual
carriageway
you
that
visibility
line
would
be
behind
these
very
mature
trees.
So
you
don't
have
visibility
and
the
junction
will
also
interfere
with
with
with
the
bus
stop
there,
which
is,
which
is
a
very
high
frequency
bus.
D
Stop
I'm
looking
at
every
10
min
10,
15
minutes,
but
services,
so
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
elements
that
need
to
be
considered
the
the
access
that
they've
shown
on
their
their
indicative
access
for
option.
One
is
about
only
60
meters,
away
from
the
traffic
from
the
signalized
junction,
so
that
is
very
close
and
it
we
can
see
that,
because
it's
a
very
busy
corridor,
we
can
see
that
queuing
and
blocking
their
psi
access
all
the
way
back
to
their
site,
which
is
again
like
we.
D
We
can
see
that
creating
highway
safety
issues
further
down
the
line
when
we
look
at
detailed
design
stuff
and
that's
why
our
preferences
is
option,
two
subject
to
parking
surveys
and
the
tros
that
we
talked
about
and
are
needed.
C
With
respect
cher,
would
it
just
be
easier
if
we
said
now
that
we
would
not
accept
a
development
on
site
one
for
the
reasons
that
have
just
been
indicated?
Two:
it's
designated
green
space.
Three,
it's
it's!
You
know
it
just
doesn't
tick
any
boxes
and
if
we
just
simply
said
no
now
that
solves
that
problem
and
then
we've
gone
to
discuss
two
which,
in
my
opinion,
has
potential,
can.
A
C
A
D
Yeah,
thanks
chair,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
even
reading
the
papers
sadly
didn't
make
the
site
visit
this
morning,
but
even
reading
the
papers,
it's
quite
obvious
that
option
one
isn't
a
credible
option
and
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
we
try
our
best
for
option
two
and
use
that
as
an
opportunity
to
redevelop
as
much
of
the
area
as
we
can
to
make
it
a
fit
for
purpose.
Future-Proofed
area
for
these
residents,
who
have
always
been
marooned,
want
to
want
of
a
better
word.
D
As
as
it's
been
mentioned,
there's
been
this
low
car
ownership,
so
they
rely
on
public
transport.
So,
if
they've
got
everything
they
need
in
that
area,
it's
going
to
make
their
life
a
lot
easier.
It
will
help
the
climate
emergency
and
and
if
we
can
somehow
still
develop
the
green
space
that
was
going
to
be
doing
for
option
one
and
give
the
area
the
mugger
give
the
area
the
trim
trail.
D
You
know,
and-
and
really
you
know,
help
these
residents
in
in
a
way
of
social
prescribing,
so
they
probably
won't
even
need
to
use
the
the
area
the
the
health
center
as
much
as
they
possibly
do
now.
Thank
you.
A
B
A
As
you
could
do
it
an
option,
one
totally
agree
with
you
counselor
sims,
but
before
we
go
for
it,
could
you
please
lay
out
the
comments.
H
Okay,
so
question
one:
can
members
feedback
their
considerations
of
planning
balance
to
both
sites,
one
and
two
and
following
key
issues?
So
the
first
is
the
location
and
the
land
use
designation,
including
the
the
position
with
adjoining
land
uses.
So
in
terms
of
site
one.
We
need
to
consider
carefully
the
fact.
H
That's,
obviously,
as
council
cameras
said,
it's
green
space
next
door
to
the
set
the
crematorium,
the
ring
road
and
the
mature
trees
and
obviously
the
location
in
terms
of
topography
at
the
bottom
of
kostanu
state
in
terms
of
number
two
site
number
two.
H
H
H
Fine,
so
so
in
terms
of
site
two
can
we
consider
the
the
location,
land
use,
designation
juxtaposition
of
joining
land
users,
the
potential
for
suggested
additional
improvements,
namely
as
part
of
any
development?
So
in
terms
of
site,
two:
that's
the
built
environment,
the
neighbouring
shopping
precinct.
H
Can
you
can
you
be
clear
about
any
any
sort
of
visions
that
you
have
in
terms
of
that
shopping
precinct,
whether
it's
partial
demolition,
complete
demolition
or
just
some
remodeling,
and
then
question
c?
Is
the
highway
safety
efficiency
of
the
design
in
relation
to
parking
and
sustainable
transport?
That's
obviously
the
bus
service
that
runs
through
the
cockney
van
estate
and
d
was
any
clear
indications
of
your
expectation
in
terms
of
the
landscape
arrangements,
for
both
the
existing
and
proposed
up
at
costly
vale.
A
C
Can
I
just
say
chair:
one
of
the
things
I
said
on
site
was
to
mr
butler
was.
I
think
this
needs
a
bit
more
work,
so
I'm
actually
not
happy
to
answer
any
of
those
questions
at
the
moment,
but
I
will
give
you
a
broad
outline
of
I've
been
there
and
had
a
look
at
it
and
listened
to
what
everybody
said.
What
I
think
I
would
like
officers
and
the
developer
to
look
at
so
number
one.
We
accept
that
there's
a
need
for
a
new
provision.
C
Okay,
we
accept
that
probably
the
best,
the
only
in
fact
the
only
site
is
site
two.
We
accept
also
that
that
will
be
detrimental
to
the
green
space
around
that
and
three.
We
accept
that
on
currently
on
site,
there's
car
parking
garages
and
a
small
shopping
precinct.
C
You
see,
as
I
said
to
as
I
said
earlier,
it
seems
to
me
there
is
potential
in
that
area,
for
if
we
want
to
think
outside
the
simple
box
of
either,
do
we
just
plank
a
planter,
a
health
center
there
or
there
about
saying?
How
can
we
use
that
development
to
improve
the
shopping
facilities
because
the
people
who
live
round
about
need
that?
C
And
it
seems
to
me
that
their
scope
for
the
developer
and
the
city
council?
And
if
the
city
council
are
really
enthusiastic
about
developing
the
area
they
would,
they
would
step
up
to
do
something
on
that
site
which
allows
us
not
to
end
up
with
a
branch
spanking
new
health
center
and
a
quite
frankly,
grotty
scruffy
counselor
bit
next
to
it.
C
Rather,
we
could
have
a
proper
combined
development
in
that
particular
area,
which
would
produce
services
which
would
help
the
the
gp
surgery,
but
it
would
also
help
everybody
else,
because
the
shopping
facilities
will
be
there,
the
the
off
license
will
be
there,
etc,
etc.
So
that's
what
I
say.
I
think
it
needs
some
more
work
and
it
needs
discussions
between
the
developer,
the
city
council
and,
in
particular,
the
war
members
about
how
you
achieve
that,
because
that's
really
what
we'd
like
to
see
happen.
D
I
think
my
understanding
of
this
is
that
it's
clear.
We
all
feel
that
it
needs
to
be
optioned
too,
and
it's
clear
from
my
understanding
and
working
in
the
area
and
knowing
the
area
really
really
well
and
looking
at
what
we've
got
in
the
perceptions
of
the
regional
center
and
how
we
we're
developing
those
types
of
multi-use
one-stop
facilities
in
all
our
neighbourhoods.
D
That's
what
needs
to
be
hearing
cuttingly,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
more
discussions
between
also
the
retail
owners
and
the
retail
units
to
see
if
there
is
any
space
within
that
medical
center
area
to
to
go
into
there,
because
it's
clear
from
what
we
heard
from
councillor
scopes
is
that
the
the
idea
of
having
extra
parking
would
be
on
the
on
the
original
shopping
precinct
area.
So
that
that's
that's
my
view.
K
No,
I
think
councillor
campbell,
say,
said
what
I
was
going
to
say:
could
the
council,
because
the
council
owned
that
work
with
the
elf
service
and
the
the
developers
to
do
it
all
in
one
instead
of,
like
colin,
said,
having
a
nice
new
building
and
then
that
that's
all
scrubby?
So
that's
why
we're
going
to
say,
but
colleen
has
put
it
across
already
and
also.
K
We
definitely
need
to
look
at
the
parking,
which
is
you
know,
and
to
try
and
make
sure
whatever
the
bring
up
the
grain
space
is
there
and
no
trees
is
removed.
A
Okay,
I
totally
agree
with
all
three
comments
that
conversation
need
communication
now
between
the
council
and
the
developers
to
come
to
some
structure
alongside
the
councillors
there
to
really
put
things
in
place.
Councillor
reagan
is
quite
right
to
mention
reginald
sent
in
my
ward
that
came
from
nowhere.
It
was
like
a
pub
wasteland
and
it
was
a
big
fight
and
now
it's
the
number
one
center
in
leeds
around
the
community
and
I'm
sure
yeah
it
works,
and
I'm
sure
we
could
do
something
like
that
for
cutting
it's
all
about
the
community.
I
Yeah
thanks
chet,
I'm
very
much
in
accord
up
to
a
point
with
everything
that's
been
said
so
far.
The
only
thing
I
would
caution,
colleagues
is
to
go
back
to
what
council
scope
said
that
we
can't
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
good
here.
My
only
my
only
concern
with
a
fantastic
all-in-one
development
is:
does
that
unduly
delay
the
medical
facilities
and
does
that
put
gp
provision
in
the
area
at
risk,
because
the
applicant
has
effectively
a
good
to
go
solution.
I
My
understanding
application
now
without
wanting
to
cast
unjust
persons
on
other
council
colleagues
bringing
in
the
likes
of
asset
management
and
regeneration-
and
I
not
mr
butler's
expression-
may
somewhat
in
some
circumstances
delay
projects
a
little,
I'm
being
very
diplomatic.
So
my
my
caution
is
the
timeline
chair.
That's
all.
I
think
colleagues
had
some
excellent
suggestions.
I
think
council
scopes
comments
about
being
a
pragmatic
solution
to
providing
both
green
space
and
a
sensible.
Adequate
amount
of
parking
is
right,
but
the
goal
is
the
medical
well-being
center.
I
B
So
yeah
I
smile
because
councillor
walsh
has
actually
articulated
precisely
what
I
was
thinking
of.
That
particular
point
I
mean
I
don't
think
it
stops
us
from
potentially
engaging
because
it's
a
pre,
it's
a
pre-app,
remember
and
actually
what
council
campbell
said
as
well
was
was
very
eloquent
in
that,
although
he
said
he
didn't
really
want
to
comment
on
it.
Actually
he's
answered
pretty
much
all
the
questions
that
we
were
asking
to
be
honest
with.
B
Obviously
it
is
a
pre-app,
so
there
are
much
more
further
more
further
discussions
to
go
and
much
more
detail
to
actually
tease
out
the
applicant,
but
it's
quite
clear:
we
accept
the
need
for
the
precision
in
the
area
fully
behind
that
site.
Two
is
the
option
that
we
prefer
to
take
forward.
We
potentially
are
accepting
the
use
of
the
green
space
if,
if
required,
for
additional
parking,
although
in
car
park
policy
terms,
we
don't
necessarily
need
it,
but
we
might
need
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
displace
any
of
the
existing
car
parking.
B
Whilst
we're
there,
yes,
perhaps
we
need
to
pursue
and
be
aspirational
about
the
scope
for
the
developer
and
the
city
council's
asset
management
team
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
comprehensive
redevelopment,
but
mindful
there
may
be
some
difficulties
there,
because
not
the
least.
Obviously,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
doctor
surgeries
are
our
businesses
and
whether
dr
fuller
would
want
to
then
have
the
responsibility
of
managing
shop
units
as
well
as
well
as
his
surgery
practices,
possibly
a
question
that
he
would
need
to
answer
in
the
discussions.
B
But
we
can
we
can
pursue
that
and
hopefully
it
won't
delay
too
long.
But
I've
been
truthfully
honest
about
it.
I
suspect
the
answer
to
that
may
may
create
the
difficulties
the
council
wall
shaw
mentioned
and
then-
and
you
know
it
just
did
just
in
summary-
from
what
councillor
smith
said
and
obviously
we
can
have
further
discussion
about
securing
any
other
potential
benefits.
But
I
I
think
that
may
just
be
a
bit
of
a
wishlist,
but
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
discuss
this
because
it
is
a
pre-op.
B
A
Yeah-
and
I
just
think
the
developers
are
ready
to
go
so
it's
just
up
to
the
council
now
to
get
their
skates
and
then
work
together
to
get
moving
fast.
Okay,
I
agree
with
that
steve
yeah
lovely.
Thank
you.
A
P
Thank
you,
chair
just
waiting
for
the
screen
to
there
we
go
so
this
is
a
proposal
for
a
new
3g
pitch
in
tennis
courts,
an
associated
fencing
up
to
four
metres
high
four
and
a
half
meters
high,
just
in
terms
of
some
updates.
If
I
may,
I've
received
comments
from
councillor
dixon
requesting
that
it
be
noted
that
friends
of
middleton
park
have
made
a
representation
and
that
that
should
have
been
recorded
in
the
covering
statement.
That
was
my
mission.
P
P
I've
also
received
a
representation
from
a
local
resident
who
runs
a
hedgehog
rescue
facility
and
she's
requested
that
members
are
made
aware
that
the
site
which
is
under
consideration
is
an
agreed
released
site
for
those
for
those
hedgehogs,
and
that
is
something
that
we
will
look
into.
As
I
say
when
we
come
forward
for
final
determination,
so
that's
the
kind
of
update
in
terms
of
those
those
representations.
P
So,
as
I
say,
this
is
a
proposal
for
a
3g
picture,
tennis
courts
and
fencing
on
land
forming
part
of
the
south,
former
southeast
golf
course.
The
site
itself
is
situated
to
the
immediate
south
of
coburn
academy,
although
the
application
has
been
submitted
by
the
council.
Ultimately,
it
is
understood
that
this
will
be
run
by
the
coburn
academy,
trust
and
used
by
its
students,
but
will
also
be
made
available
for
community
use
outside
of
school
hours.
P
The
requirement
for
the
additional
formal
space
follows
a
recent
planning
approval
to
expand
the
school
for
a
three-story
modular
classroom
block.
Essentially,
this
expansion,
together
with
previous
bulge
cohorts,
has
placed
additional
pressure
on
existing
formal
outdoor
play
space,
and
it's
understood
that
this
is
exacerbated
during
periods
of
wet
weather,
where
the
existing
3g
pitch
remains
in
use,
but
grassed
areas
are
not
suitable.
Due
to
water
logging,
the
availability
of
existing
indoor
facilities
is
reduced
further
in
december
and
march
and
in
the
summer
exam
series
which
exacerbates
the
existing
uses
even
further.
P
So
that's
the
that's.
The
context
and
the
applicant
in
their
submission
have
also
stated
that
to
comply
with
dfe
guidance
for
soft
and
outdoor
pe
space,
based
on
the
current
numbers
at
the
school,
there
is
a
deficit
of
35.5
play
space.
P
F
P
At
the
western
side,
it
connects
into
gypsy
lane
where
there
is
an
existing
kennels
and
category
roughly
in
this
location
here
and
then
beyond
that
further
west
is
a
residential
development
in
the
eastern
direction.
The
footpath
connects
into
middleton
woods,
which
is
also
ancient
woodland
and
also
middleton
woods.
P
Nature
reserve
to
the
immediate
east,
south
and
west
of
the
site
is
the
residual
areas
of
the
of
the
former
golf
course
and
that's
included
in
the
blue
line,
which
would
be
used
to
carry
out
some
of
the
off-site
planting,
which
I
will
mention
later
during
the
course
of
this
presentation.
P
P
The
the
western
side
of
the
site
is
more
elevated
than
the
east
and
there
is
a
fall
approximately
about
eight
meters
across
a
200
meter
length
of
the
application
site
at
its
widest
point.
P
So
that's
the
the
kind
of
geography,
a
close-up
kind
of
image,
clearly
out
of
date,
but
it
does
represent
the
the
golf
course,
as
was
with
the
red
line,
boundary
application
boundary
annotated
and
you
can
see
that
just
to
the
just
to
the
north
is
the
area
where
the
the
phase
one
expansion
took
place.
The
the
permission
that
I
referred
to
at
the
outset.
P
So,
just
in
terms
of
the
of
the
site
layout,
the
school
is
situated.
Just
to
the
north,
I've
described
the
footpath,
which
runs
along
this
northern
boundary.
There
is
an
existing
access
which
members
who
attended
the
site
visit.
We
we
drove
down
this
morning
and
parked
towards
the
end
of
that
drive
with
an
access
then
into
the
into
the
area
just
to
the
south,
along
a
surfaced
area.
Providing
a
ramped
access
then
to
the
tennis
courts,
which
would
be
positioned
on
this
per
tier
and
on
the
lower
tier.
P
Around
the
the
the
carts
themselves,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
introduction,
is
a
four
and
a
half
meter,
well
mesh
fence
and
then
around
the
boundary
of
the
site
along
the
the
red
line
in
this
area.
Here
there
would
be
a
a
2.4
meter,
well
mesh
secure
boundary
to
provide
a
a
secure,
defensible
line
for
the
school.
P
The
magenta,
coloured
dashed
line
would
be
the
root
of
the
proposed
diverted
footpath,
so
it
would,
from
its
existing
point,
run
along
this
line
here,
wrap
around
the
proposed
facility
and
then
connect
into
gypsy
lane
in
this
location.
Just
here.
P
So,
just
in
terms
of
the
the
site
sections-
and
this
is
not
very
clear
as
it's
difficult
difficult
to
see
actually
difficult
to
decipher.
P
The
the
top
section
is
the
view
facing
north,
so
the
school
is
in
the
background.
The
red
line
represents
the
existing
land
level.
If
that
is
clear
and
the
the
dashed
white
lines,
the
top
line
relates
to
the
line
of
the
finish
level
of
the
tennis
court
and
the
blind
below
that.
The
dash
line
relates
to
the
finish
level
of
the
proposed
ruby
pitch
football
pitch.
P
So
there
are
areas
where
there
are
cutting
and
filling
taking
place,
particularly
on
the
western
side
and
then
equally
on
the
eastern
flanks.
The
ground
is
then
made
up.
So
in
reality,
the
the
tennis
court
and
the
part
of
the
football
pitch
rugby
pitch
is
set
down
into
the
landscape
and
then,
on
this
end
on
the
eastern
end
of
the
site,
it
will
be
built
up
so
roughly
about
three
meters
of
cut
and
then
three
meters
of
made
up
ground
on
the
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
of
the
site.
P
The
section
below
is
a
view
facing
south,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
any
clearer,
but
you
can
see
where
you've
got
the
kind
of
white
sections
there.
That
is
where
the
cutting
takes
place
and
then,
where
the
green
is
above
the
the
line,
that's
where
the
land
is
made
up.
So
that
is
a
view
facing
south
the
one
below
that
would
be
a
view
from
within
the
pitch.
P
P
Just
at
that
point
the
view
well
yeah
the
section
below
that
would
be
a
view
again
within
the
plane
pitch
this
time
facing
west
and
again
you
can
see
some
considerable
cutting
now
in
this
corner
here
of
the
site,
and
the
other
section
would
be
a
view
from
within
the
tennis
courts.
This
time
facing
east
and
again
you
can
see
the
existing
land
levels,
and
here
you
can
see
the
cutting
taking
place
now
on
site.
P
This
morning,
I
think
members
would
have
noted
the
large
poplar
trees
which
would
face
onto
the
tennis
courts,
and
you
can
see
there.
Obviously,
development
taking
place
close
to
the
boundary
of
their
kind
of
root
systems,
so
there
is
some
considerable
cutting
and
filling
taking
place
and
there
would
have
to
be
some
some
kind
of
stabilization
of
that
if
the
trees
were
to
to
survive
beyond
the
construction
stage,.
P
I
think
this
is
kind
of
drawing
kind
of
articulates
that
perhaps
in
a
better
way
on
the
westerns,
the
reddish
and
the
orangey
colours
indicate
the
the
extent
of
the
cutting.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
rugby
pitch
and
football
pitch
of
the
western
corner,
there
is
cutting
and
then
the
blue
will
indicate
where
the
land's
been
made
up
so
effectively,
both
in
terms
of
the
tennis
courts
and
in
relation
to
the
plane
pitch.
P
The
land
is
cut
on
the
western
side
and
transferred
to
the
yeast
to
make
up
those
those
levels
and
visually,
obviously
in
this
corner,
helps
set
that
down
and
it
utilizes
a
landscape
so
that
it's
not
as
visually
intrusive.
P
P
So,
just
turning
to
the
kind
of
specification
for
the
pitch-
and
this
won't
come
as
a
great
surprise.
I
wouldn't
have
thought,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
material,
the
section
of
that
this
is
a
synthetic
material
which
was
kind
of
sat
on
a
shock
pad
and
then
below
that
there
is
a
a
a
sand
base
and
a
gravel
a
gravel
base
to
help
with
the
the
drainage
I've
described
the
the
ramp,
which
would
exist
between
the
pitch
and
the
tennis
courts
to
facilitate
access
to
the
to
the
tennis
courts.
P
But
in
compensation
for
that,
the
applicant
is
proposing
off-site
planting,
which
I
alluded
to
earlier
within
the
line
edged
in
blue,
which
amounts
effectively
to
130
heavy
standard,
mature
trees
and
they're,
positioned
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
proposed
pitch,
the
southern
boundary,
partly
along
the
western
boundary
of
the
pitch,
and
also
along
the
western
boundary
of
the
tennis
courts.
To
help
screen
the
development
in
the
fullness
of
time.
P
And
in
addition
to
that,
there
is
also
contributing
scrub
planting
in
terms
of
native
native
plants,
and
it
amounts
to
effectively
four
and
a
half
thousand
native
shrub
plants,
which
is
quite
a
considerable
amount.
And
that's
designed
to
offset
the
environmental
biodiversity
impacts
of
the
development
which
currently
based
on
the
current
scoring,
which
has
been
put
forward.
And
I've
come
up
to
that
in
a
moment.
But
it
achieves
more
than
the
10
provision
required.
So
it
would
be
as
it's
presented.
P
So,
just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
the
photographs,
then
this
is
a
view
from
gypsy
lane,
with
the
with
the
site
entrance
there
just
on
the
left
and
the
catteries
and
the
kennels
just
on
the
corner
there
of
the
site,
it's
a
view,
looking
down
the
access
road
and
then
halfway
down
the
access
road.
Obviously
you
can
see
the
land
falling
away.
P
The
building.
Just
here
is
the
new
development,
the
new
the
new
expansion
which
has
taken
place
and
effectively
roughly
in
about
this.
At
this
point
here
the
site
will
be
gated.
This
bridal
way
would
be
closed.
This
footpath
will
be
closed
and
it
would
be
then
obviously
part
of
the
operational
boundary
of
the
school.
P
Clearly,
showing
the
existing
grasslands
and
the
central
kind
of
desire
line,
which
is
currently
being
walked
by
by
people
who
are
using
it
as
amenity
space,
the
trees
in
the
in
the
foreground
would
be
would
be
lost
as
a
consequence
of
the
development,
so
these
trees,
just
here
all
of
those,
would
would
be
failed
as
a
result
of
the
development.
P
This
is
a
view
then
facing
southwest
the
tennis
courts
would
be
roughly
in
this
this
area
here.
These
are
the
popular
trees
that
I
alluded
to,
which
are
shown
as
retained,
but
again,
given
the
development
that's
taking
place
in
vicinity
of
these
trees,
I
I
think
there
is
an
issue
really
in
terms
of
their
their
long-term
survival
and
whether
or
not
they
could
survive
beyond
the
construction
stage.
P
And
again,
a
closer
closer
view
of
them.
I
think
one
of
the
issues
with
with
these
is
that
populars
are
quite
they
have
extensive
root
systems
and
they
can
be
quite
quite
quite
intrusive,
and
I
think
any
development
within
the
vicinity
of
those
trees
would
would
have
a
an
impact
on
their
on
their
long-term
survival.
P
So
this
is
a
view
then
close
to
the
southern
boundary
of
the
site,
but
again
looking
back
at
that
existing
tree
line.
So
these
these
are
the
populars
that
I've
just
been
referring
to.
P
P
So
the
path
would
be
kind
of
terminated
close
to
this
point,
and
that
would
be
then
incorporated
into
the
operational
boundary
of
the
school
just
to
the
kind
of
left.
P
So
I
think
that
that
kind
of
ends
the
presentation
in
that
respect.
So
just
turning
to
a
few
issues,
if
I
may-
and
I
will
try
and
be
as
brief
as
I
can
just
in
relation
to
greenbelt
issues-
and
these
are
obviously
documented
in
the
report
as
well.
So
the
development
is
for
sport
and
recreational
use
and,
as
indicated
in
the
report,
that
is
one
of
those
exceptions
listed
in
paragraph
150
of
the
mppf,
providing
it
doesn't
injure
the
openness
of
the
green
belt.
P
In
so
far
as
the
development
relates
to
boundary
treatment,
then
that
would
constitute
inappropriate
development,
but
that
the
exceptional
circumstances
which
the
applicants
put
forward
have
also
been
documented
in
the
report
just
quickly.
Turning
to
sport,
england
issues,
members
will
have
noted
from
the
report
that
sport
england
have
objected
to
the
development
spot.
England
in
this
instance,
are
not
a
statutory
council
team.
P
P
The
vast
majority
of
these
are
category
b
trees,
so,
therefore,
of
good
quality,
although
the
trees
which
require
removal
are
centrally
located
within
the
site
and
are
partially
screened
by
trees
on
the
periphery
of
the
site,
the
visual
importance
of
these
trees,
in
terms
of
their
group
value,
will
mean
that
their
removal
will
have
a
significant
visual
impact,
as
mentioned
in
the
presentation
as
part
of
the
mitigation
strategy.
Three
for
one
planting
is
proposed,
and
this
this
will
also
take
place
off-site,
and
these
will
be
mature
heavy
standard
trees.
P
These
have
been
assessed
in
terms
of
the
impacts
on
the
habitat
and
wildlife
and,
as
noted
in
the
covering
reports,
the
council's
nature.
Nature
conservation
officer
has
also
reviewed
this
and
concluded
that
the
semi-improved
grassland
areas
are
likely
to
be
a
moderate
distinctiveness
rather
than
low
distinctiveness.
P
In
response
to
this,
the
applicant
has
published
a
further
report.
Additional
ecological
information,
and
that
was
carried
out
on
the
29th
of
june
and
the
conclusion
of
that
survey
is
that
their
initial
findings
are
unchanged,
so
we've
reconsulted
our
nature
conservation
officer
following
the
receipt
of
these
supplementary
details.
P
Those
are
only
received
on
the
4th
of
july
and,
to
date,
have
not
had
a
further
update.
So
clearly,
there
is
a
potential
issue
in
that
respect,
which
we
will
obviously
detail
further
when
we
get
to
a
detailed
stage
of
of
presenting
this
for
determination
so
effectively.
I
think
that
kind
of
covers
all
of
the
the
issues
I've
tried
to
describe.
P
The
presentation
includes
and
highlights
a
number
of
questions
which
members
are
now
respectfully
asked
to
consider.
Thank
you,
chair.
Q
Thank
you.
I
I
actually
have
a
statement
to
read
out
on
behalf
of
the
chair
of
the
trustees.
It's
about
four
minutes
10.
If
you
could.
Please
bear
me
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Q
Although
we
fully
support
provision
of
outdoor
sports
for
children
in
local
community
groups
and
organizations,
we
strongly
object
to
this
application,
as
we
think
it
represents
a
poor
return
for
both
the
local
community
and
the
park.
Our
objection
covers
a
number
of
areas,
changes
to
the
landscape.
Q
Q
Finally,
we
note
that
the
original
planning
application
ignored
the
fact
that
the
land
under
the
proposal
was
added
to
the
middleton
park
estate
in
early
2020,
following
representation
from
the
friends.
This
land
is
a
valuable
addition
to
the
park
being
adjacent
to
the
beast
and
parkside
housing
estates
and
close
to
other
areas
of
south
leeds.
Q
Q
A
Q
R
Thank
you,
chad.
Good
afternoon,
carbon
school
was
built
with
a
capacity
for
1050
pupils,
but
they
are
now
1264
on
the
roll.
Whilst
the
school
has
recently
gained
a
new
module
building,
it
also
took
in
another
cohort
of
60
places
and,
more
recently,
an
extra
30
children
from
september
2022,
at
the
request
of
lead
city
council,
in
line
with
department
for
education,
guidance
for
soft
outer
peace
basis
and
based
on
this
current
pupil
number,
the
school
has
a
deficit
of
35.5
percent
of
outdoor
sport
provision.
R
This
has
forced
the
pe
department
to
reduce
the
range
of
sports
that
can
be
studied.
However,
the
proposed
new
facilities
will
allow
an
increasing
capacity
for
football
rugby
and
tennis.
This
will
also
ensure
that
pupils
can
study
practical
sport
and
take
part
in
more
extracurricular
sporting
activities.
R
R
The
proposed
development
will
also
be
made
available
for
community
use,
as
confirmed
in
a
position
statement.
Southeast
gulf
coast
was
run
privately
and
it
closed
in
2019,
due
to
a
decline
in
memberships
and
ongoing
vandalism
of
the
site,
because
the
council
currently
run
two
golf
courses
and
leads,
but
despite
having
expertise
in
this
field,
they
made
the
decision
to
use
the
site
for
an
alternative
purpose.
R
R
The
impact
of
removing
the
trees
is
acknowledged,
but
all
of
the
trees
are
being
replaced
at
three
to
one
ratio
in
line
with
lcc
policy.
In
addition,
we
recently
added
15
more
trees,
which
means
that
130
new
trees
will
be
planted.
As
a
result
of
this
application,
we
are
also
undertaking
extensive
shrub
planting
within
a
wider
site
with
a
mix
of
native
tree
and
shrub
species
totaling
2.4
hectares
in
terms
of
biodiversity
position.
The
recently
updated
calculation
shows
that
there
will
be
21.9
net
gain
in
biodiversity
following
the
development
this
significa.
R
R
As
outline
of
position
statement,
placing
the
proposed
development
within
a
current
school
boundary
would
result
in
a
temporary
loss
of
existing
pitches,
which
will
further
exacerbate
the
current
issues.
There
will
also
be
a
temporary
loss
of
car
parking
due
to
need
to
form
a
construction
site
access.
However,
more
importantly,
placing
the
proposals
on
existing
sport
pitches
would
not
resolve
the
deficit
issue.
Also,
having
undertaken
further
analysis,
it
has
been
established
that
the
existing
grass
pitch
is
too
small
to
accommodate
the
proposal.
R
I
also
would
like
to
point
out
the
existing
sport
pitches
allocated
in
close
proximity
to
residential
properties,
so
the
impact
of
the
immunity
will
be.
We
need
to
be
considered
in
response
to
the
early
objections
by
friends
of
middleton
park.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
members
that
none
of
the
trees
that
we
are
providing
will
be
sampling
size
and
also
we
are
putting
measure
in
place
so
that
the
rubber
cram
from
the
fridge
pitch
will
will
not
make
its
way
to
a
water
course.
R
R
A
K
Can
I
just
ask
at
this
moment
in
time,
do
you
have
a
tennis
court.
R
R
You
know
annoying
to
the
score,
because
in
winter
months
it's
much
harder
to
exercise
on
them.
However,
the
calculations
that
we've
done
to
show
the
deficit
actually
take
into
account
the
pitch
being
used
at
all
times.
So
as
much.
I've
have
mentioned
the
issues
with
drainage
and
planning
submission,
but
they
haven't
really
been
taken
into
consideration
when
calculating
everything,
so
they
do
they.
They
said
that
they
have
looked
at
it.
Unfortunately,
I
didn't
have
to
consider
this
as
part
of
my
application
in
further
detail.
Okay,.
K
You
mentioned
that
the
school
had
to
have
to
take
on
extra
children.
All
the
schools
in
leeds
have
to
take
on
extra
children,
but
up
you
know,
so
to
me.
We
had
no
choice
in
most
schools
and
there's
a
couple
of
schools
that
are
not,
as
is
larger
than
yours.
However,
he
said
he
said
about,
they
have
looked
at
at
the
the
pitch
being
waterlogged.
Have
they
looked
at?
I
don't
know
turf
in
it,
building
a
pitch
on
top
of
it,
etc.
R
So
that's
why
they
were
willing
to
take
extra
children
and
that's
what
I
was
told
in
relation
to
the
existing
page.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
really
comment
on
in
regards
to
what
they
thought
about
the
grass
playing
pitch,
but
what
I've
done.
Personally,
I
had
a
look
whether
I
could
place
development
that
we
are
proposing
on
the
area
of
the
existing
grass
pitch
and
it's
not
big
enough
to
fit
3g
pitch
to
sport,
england
standard.
R
J
Thank
you,
chair
you're,
looking
at
putting
a
3g
pitch
in
why.
R
So
I
understand
that
the
reason
that
they're
going
for
fiji
pitch
is
because
they
can
do
multiple
sports
and
it's
more
durable
and
also
they
can
use
it
during
all
seasons
because
it
doesn't
become
waterlogged.
So
it's
just
the
suitability
of
of
it
and
also
for
rugby.
Our
pitch
has
shocked
pat
underneath,
so
it's
much
more
suitable
to
pray.
Rugby
is
actually
safer
for
the
children
and
the
community
to
use
the
playing
pitch.
That's
kind
is
shockpad.
I
understand
that.
J
M
Community
land
to
be
given
to
effectively
a
private
enterprise,
but
I
guess
the
offset
of
that
was
well
what
it
was
to
be
then
provided
for
the
rest
of
the
community
when
the
school's
not
open.
So
two
questions.
So
to
my
knowledge,
when
I
look
on
the
website,
your
current
pitches
that
you
do
have
isn't
offered.
H
M
D
R
Thank
you,
so
the
existing
sport
facilities
just
to
clarify,
are
available
for
community
use.
The
school
is
quite
busy.
They
also
lend
some
of
the
internal
spaces
within
a
school,
so
the
school
they
don't
have.
The
school
specific
community
use
agreement.
However,
they're
using
lead
city
council
school
lettings
team
to
run
it
on
their
behalf,
so
there
is
extensive
schedule
of
different
facilities.
So
apologies
that
this
you
haven't
found
this
on
the
school
website,
because,
ultimately
it
you
have
to
be
redirected
to
the
council's
websites
because
they
manage
for
them.
R
So
the
the
idea
is-
and
obviously
it
has
been
provided
within
the
submission
documents
that
the
new
facilities
will
be
added
to
existing
schedule
of
the
community
use,
and
this
school
is
very
popular.
They
use
all
the
pictures
I
use
school
even
use
for
a
sunday
church,
so
they
want
for
the
community
to
be
using
it
and
obviously
the
charges
are
set
by
lee
city
council
there's
already
charging
schedule.
However,
given
the
this
is
academy,
they've
got
some
control
over
the
bookings.
They
can
cancel
or
allow
some
bookings
past
the
hours.
R
So
I
hope
that
clarifies
and
answers
your
question.
Thank
you.
C
R
Thank
you
councillor,
so
I
wasn't
actually
the
agent
for
the
phase
one
application,
but
I
have
reviewed
it
obviously,
for
the
purposes
of
submission
of
this
one.
I
don't
understand
what
I
don't
know
at
this
stage
why
these
proposals
were
not
included.
However,
the
phase
one
application
actually
outlined
where
the
pitches
were
going,
it
could
be
it's
anything
to
do
with
funding
or
timing,
but
basically
it
was
planned
at
the
time
of
submission
of
the
modular
building
application.
But
this
just
wasn't
the
details
were
not
ready.
R
So
if
you
look
at
the
site,
location
plan
and
even
offices
report
for
phase
one
application,
our
site
has
already
been
outlined
and
what
is
said
that
this
is
this
is
phase
two.
Hence
we
refer
to
this
as
phase
two
and
this
will
be
submitted
under
separate
application,
but
unfortunately
I
was
brought
in
at
the
pre-application
stage
for
this
application.
R
So
I
don't
know
the
nitty-gritty
details
why
this
didn't
go
together,
but
I
do
know
that
the
school
had
the
additional
building
had
to
move
the
tennis
courts
and
then
since
then
they
continued
to
take
more
children,
something
that
they
didn't
know.
At
the
time
the
module
building
was
being
developed
that
they're
going
to
end
up
with
that
many
additional
kids.
C
You
mentioned
that
the
school
had
been
told
that
they
could
have
extra
pitches.
Do
you
know
who
told
them
that.
R
So
the
reason
why
a
school
fails
it
feels
that
way
and
obviously
been
told,
because
obviously
there
are
different
processes-
and
I
understand
this
so
there
was
a
executive
board
approval
for
funding.
For
this
I
understand-
and
I
can
bring
our
project
manager
amy
smith,
to
answer
that
in
more
detail
a
couple
of
years
ago,
if
I
remember
correctly
so
obviously
in
addition
to
that,
any
development
will
still
have
to
go
through
the
planning
process.
R
So
I
appreciated
two
different
processes,
but
the
score
felt
that
this
is
going
ahead.
The
funding
has
been
allocating,
obviously
a
different
department
of
the
council
saying.
Yes,
we
are
happy
to
give
you
that
land,
because
it's
adjacent
to
your
site
and
yes,
you
can
use
it
for
school
bridges
that
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
we
do
need
to
get
planning
permission,
and
I
do
understand
that,
should
I
bring
amy
smith
to
add
to
that
was
that
suffocation.
J
I
can't
give
a
specific
individual
officer,
but
I
can
refer
back
to
the
june
2020
executive
board
report
at
which
the
project
was
approved
and
it
outlined
that
there
would
be
two
phases
of
the
project.
The
reason
included
in
that
report
as
to
why
this
phase
of
the
pitches
wasn't
included
in
the
first
as
one
phase
is
the
time
scales
and
the
need
to
get
those
children
in
place
for
september
2022
start
of
term.
So
it
was
a
time,
scales
and
type
program
issue,
as
often
as
the
case
on
the
school
expansion
schemes.
C
Can
ask
another
question
in
relation
to
public
use,
I
think
we've
touched
on
the
ability
of
the
general
public
to
actually
get
and
use
this
facility
if,
if
permission
was
given,
there
are
a
number
of
elements,
because
we've
just
had
something
similar
in
in
my
world,
and
that
might
be
a
question
for
you
and
it
might
be
a
question
for
for
highways.
C
Do
you
feel
that
the
the
car
parking
you're
providing
will
be
adequate
for
extensive
public
use.
C
Whereabouts
of
the
changing
facilities:
how
will
the
car
park
be
managed
so
that
it's
not
used
inappropriately
or
at
the
wrong
time?
How
many
people
do
you
expect
to
use
the
pitch?
Because
it
is
a
quite
substantial
pitch?
It's
not
a
single,
I
suppose
single
pitch,
it's
more
of
a
double
pitch
and,
more
importantly,
a
passport
to
all
defenses.
C
What
happens
to
the
income
that
this
pitch
will
generate.
R
So
I
will
try
my
best
to
answer
the
questions
so
first,
first
of
all,
it
will
be
about
car
parking
so
as
part
of
the
phase
one,
the
school
had
a
new
car
park
put
in
place,
and
I
think
you
might
have
seen
it
today.
The
side
visit
just
further
up
from
the
from
the
access
road,
so
I've
done
some
personally.
I've
done
some
calculations.
How
much
park
park
car
parking
this
facility
can
generate.
So
I've
done
it
on
the
number
of
players
for
rugby
being
15,
refs
spectators
and
the
same
for
tennis.
R
So
basically
we
we
can
fill
the
car
park
if,
if
everybody
turns
up
and
everybody
drives
individually,
but
we
also
have
another
car
park
available
within
the
school
grounds,
for
example,
if
the
facilities
are
available
on
the
weekends
between-
let's
say
I
don't
remember,
the
exact
hours
between
10
am
till
5
pm
the
gates
will
be
open.
The
access
will
be
allowed,
so
people
can
use
the
car
parking.
I
could
speak
to
the
school
about
any
putting
a
member
of
staff
or
anything
in
place.
R
So
people
don't
just
use
it
as
additional
car
parking
in
the
area.
However,
we
do
have
enough
car
parking.
We've
got
47
dedicated
just
specifically
to
the
tennis
court
and
a
pitch
and
then
also
we've
got
60
more
car
car
packs
they're
not
going
to
be
used
by
members
of
staff
on
the
weekends
and
during
the
week
I
think
the
hours
are
from
6
p.m,
till
9
pm
again
the
same
scenario.
So
as
far
as
I
remember,
I
got
a
response
from
highways
to
my
calculations,
saying
that
this
is
acceptable,
so
basically
what
I've
done.
R
I
calculated
the
worst
case
scenario
and
obviously
in
terms
of
school
facilities
like
this,
and
you
might
appreciate
it
yourself.
People
generally
travel
together.
This
is
not
you,
it's
not
probably
not
going
to
use
for
international
games
or
anything
like
that.
However,
I
still
estimated,
as
I
said,
the
worst
case
scenario.
So,
yes,
I
do
feel
we've
got
enough
enough
parking
in
terms
of
changing
facilities,
as
you
know,
we're
not
building
any
changing
facilities
as
part
of
this
planning
application.
So
there
are
existing
changing
rooms
inside
the
school.
R
In
terms
of
what
happens
to
the
funding,
I
don't
actually
know
what
happens
currently,
but
I
believe
that
if
we
just
add
this
facility
to
the
existing
charging
schedule,
that
is
run
by
elite
city
council,
lead
literature,
council
letting
school
lettings
department
will
be
able
to
answer
this,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
speak
to
them.
To
tell
me,
how
is
this
going
to
be
managed
and
how
is
the
funding
being
allocated?
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
my
questions
have
been
answered,
but
my
puzzlement,
I
suppose,
is
you-
are
offering
this
facility
out
for
use
to
the
general
public
when
not
in
school
hours,
yet
you
aren't
putting
an
application
in
for
any
lighting.
So
how
are
they
going
to
actually
be
able
to
use
it.
R
I
mean
it's
an
excellent
question,
so,
basically,
at
pre-application
stage,
this
application
did
include
food
lighting.
However,
given
the
proximity
to
the
ancient
ancient
woodland
and
discussions
with
planning
and
ecology,
at
that
time,
we
decided
not
to
proceed
with
the
fluid
lighting.
I
mean
it's
an
excellent
point
because
it
limits
the
ability
of
I
mean
community
to
use
it,
especially
in
winter
months,
but
unfortunately,
the
key
reason
for
well
not
unfortunately,
but
the
key
reason
why
we're
proposing
this
is
to
allow
the
school
to
deliver
the
pe
and
curriculum.
R
R
Yes,
the
primary
use
of
the
playing
pitches
is
for
for
the
score
because
of
the
deficit
and
everything.
However,
we
still
the
facilities
will
be
made
available
for
communities.
However,
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
appreciate
that
maybe
a
professional
sport
club
wouldn't
want
to
sign
up
to
use
the
new
fridge
page
full
time,
and
if
the
school
wish
to
include
food
lighting
in
the
future,
they
will
obviously
have
to
apply
for
it
and
submit
a
planning
application.
Thank
you.
E
R
Thank
you
councillor,
so
yes,
so
we
currently
have
a
footpath
and
a
brighter
way
that
runs
between
the
existing
site
and
the
application
side,
and
the
only
reason
for
diversion
and
foreclosure
of
the
footpath
and
the
version
to
below
the
pitches
is
safeguarding.
So
the
idea
is
that
school
would
like
to
incorporate
fencing
around
the
pitches.
So,
during
pe
lessons
and
during
the
school
hours,
they've
got
a
secure
line
boundary
that
they
need
to
do
basically
something
that
they
need
to
provide
on
the
risk
assessment,
something
they
need
to
have.
R
So
that's
the
reason
why
we're
doing
it?
There
is
a
separate
application.
That's
been
submitted
to
public
right-of-way
team
for
the
diversion,
and
so
the
public
will
be
consulted
on
that
in
terms
of
whether
this
is
a
standard.
Yes,
so
I
understand
that
this.
If
the
playing
pictures
go
ahead
and
obviously
they
are
for
the
school
to
deliver
their
curriculum
and
the
land
will
be
transferred
to
the
trust,
they
will
form
part
of
the
school
site.
R
E
But
in
order
for
the
public
to
access
it,
will
they
not
then
have
to
come
in
through
that
fencing
at
some
point,
a
gate
somewhere
along
that
fencing?
Well,
will
the
public
so
that
they
can
use
it
not
have
to
use
that
now.
I'll,
be
frank
where
I'm
coming
from
in
my
area,
ralph
lawrersby
high
school
got
sports
pitches
built
beside
it.
There
is
a
massive
gap
between
the
two
locations,
and
so
the
pupils
have
to
walk
along
the
open
space.
E
It's
a
road
that
everybody
walks
up
and
down
regularly
to
and
that's
acceptable
for
ralph
thorsby.
Now
one
of
the
drawbacks-
and
I
want
to
know
your
comments
on
this-
was
that
in
order
to
give
the
public
access,
they
had
to
leave
the
gates
open
for
two
reasons,
one
to
enable
maintenance
to
be
done,
and
the
sports
pitch
is
to
be
cleaned
up
on
a
daily
basis.
E
And
if
you
are
going
to
allow
members
of
the
public
again
coming
back
to
ralph
lauren,
one
of
the
drawbacks
was
that
some
residents
decided
to
take
the
dogs
onto
the
sports
pitches.
The
dogs
do
what
dogs
do,
and
so
parks
and
countryside
were
having
to
arrange
to
get
that
cleaned
up
on
a
daily
basis
before
pupils
were
accessing
it.
E
How
can
we
be
sure
that
these
are
not
going
to
be
the
unintended
consequences
of
allowing
members
of
the
public
to
do
it
now,
you're
going
to
safeguard
it?
So
that's
that
one
and
then
after
you've
answered
that
one
I've
got
another
one.
R
Thank
you
counselor,
so
both
the
idea
is
that,
in
order
to
provide
the
safeguarding,
the
gates
will
have
to
be
closed
during
school
operational
hours.
Nobody
will
be
allowed,
so
the
footpath
is
being
diverted
outside
of
the
school
site.
So
basically
the
existing
footpath
will
not
be
destroyed.
R
The
parks
and
countryside
will
only
be
maintaining
the
area
of
the
wider
mitigation
within
the
blue
line
boundary.
The
idea
is
for
the
land.
I
understand
to
be
transferred
to
the
trust,
so
carbon
score
and
the
trust
will
be
responsible
for
cleaning
the
plane,
pitches
and
the
maintenance.
It's
not
the
car.
It
won't
be.
The
council.
E
Fine,
but
when
the
when
the
area
is
open
for
public
use,
the
school
is
closed,
then
the
residents
will
need
to
access
the
area
that
goes
along
towards
the
footpath.
So
I
can
see
the
point
of
it
maybe
being
closed
during
school
hours,
but
why
is
it
needing
to
be
closed
outside
of
school
hours?
I
mean
I,
I
agree
with
the
safeguarding
during
school
hours.
R
I
mean
I
can
speak
to
the
design
team
and
see
whether
there
can
be
gate
put
in,
and
this
can
be
open
during
weekends
and
after
school
hours,
because,
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
the
idea
is
to
keep
the
existing
footpath
in
situ
because
we
close
in
the
access
during
the
score
operational
hours,
and
some
people
would
like
to
also
use
the
footpath
during
that
time.
We
have
to
divert
it.
We
can't
just
leave
it
and
say
from
now
on,
you'll
have
it
from
6
p.m,
and
only
on
weekends.
R
However,
I'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
and
see
how
this,
how
the
design
of
the
fence
will
work,
because
I
obviously
if
we
are
successful
with
the
diversion,
the
idea
was
to
block
the
access,
but
I
will
see
whether
there
is
a
possibility
to
us
to
have
the
gate
open.
So
on
the
weekends
and
after
hours,
the
public
can
still
use
the
old
path.
Nevertheless,
they
will
be
provided
with
a
new
one.
E
Again,
the
head
teacher
on
site
this
morning
pointed
out
that
the
current
car
park
is
going
to
be
used
for
people
residents
outside
of
school
hours,
they're
going
to
because
we
were
discussing
where
the
the
school
parks
and
some
teachers
can
park
at
the
front
of
the
school
others
at
the
back.
But
what
he
was
saying
was
that
the
car
park
at
the
rear
was
going
to
be
public
car
parking
so
that
when
people
were
coming
to
use
the
facilities
so
to
do
that,
they've
got
to
come
down
the
route.
E
They
then
have
to
go
in
a
left
through
the
gate,
which
is
a
secure
gate
and
we
show
we
were
shown
this
morning.
How
very
secure
the
site
is,
so
they
then
come
if
they've
then
parked
their
cars.
They've
then
got
to
come
back
up
that
little
route
go
back
through
the
gate,
unless
you're
going
to
leave
the
gate
open
and
I
don't
think
they're
suggesting
they
do
that
so
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some,
have
you
thought
it
through?
E
That's
the
basic
thing:
have
you
really
thought
through
the
consequences
of
this,
and
should
we
be
getting
further
information
back
to
make
sure
that
the
public
who
feel
they're
going
to
get
access
are
going
to
come
up
against
gated
areas
and
all
of
a
sudden
you're
then
going
to
be?
Have
questions
asked?
Why
can
you
not
do
it?
Local
councillors
then
have
to
say
well?
E
Why
are
you
doing
this
and
then
the
argument
over
safeguarding
will
come
up,
which
I
agree
and,
as
you
know,
because
of
the
problem
in
my
award,
but
exactly
the
same
arguments
being
put
forward.
Safeguarding
has
to
take
precedence
over
other
issues,
so
those
members
of
the
community
who
think
they're
going
to
be
able
to
get
access
are
suddenly
going
to
find
that
they're,
not
so
you
might
be.
So
I'm
asking
you
to
comment
on
that.
E
Just
just
you
need
to
be
aware
of
that
now,
the
carbon,
the
climate
change,
bearing
in
mind
that
this
is
a
lead
city,
council
application
have
lead.
City
council,
provided
a
detailed
carbon
account
for
this
site,
showing
the
asset
value
of
each
of
the
trees
to
be
taken
down.
E
Because
that's
what
I
mean,
I've
no
doubt
planting
the
trees.
Yes,
it's
going
to
save
a
lot
of
carbon,
but
it
could
take
30
40
years
for
it
to
reach
the
same
level
of
maturity
as
some
of
the
trees
there,
and
this
is
a
lead
city
council
application,
which
means
there's
no
excuse
that
it's
all
you
need
to
do
is
go
to.
The
policy
leads,
should
be
exceeding
their
policy
requirements
voluntarily
not
needing
to
be
told
to
do
it,
unlike
we
can't
tell
other
developers
that
they
shouldn't
do
it.
E
Leeds
should
be
volunteering
to
provide
this
carbon
balance
sheet
for
us.
Is
that
available
or
not.
R
So,
okay,
in
terms
of
the
carbon
storage,
I'm
not
aware
of
the
specific
assessment
that
assesses
the
carbon
storage
of
the
existing
trees,
and
also
I
mean,
in
the
end
of
the
day,
counselor.
This
is
still
a
planning
application
and
there's
a
list
of
requirements
that
we
need
to
provide,
and
my
advice
to
lee
city
council.
In
this
case
my
you
know
the
applicant
and
my
client
is
that
you
need
to
provide
what
planning
is
asking
us
for
so.
R
However,
I
appreciate
that
probably
going
forward,
the
council
could
be
could
start
requesting
specific
assessments
as
such
in
terms
of
exceeding
requirements.
We
are
luckily,
we
are
exceeding
the
requirements,
because
there
is
a
policy
that
obviously
in
the
first
instance,
asks
us
to
consider
not
removing
any
trees,
and
we
have
tried
our
best.
R
Second
of
all,
it's
three
two
one
replacement
and
we
we
exceeding
that
so
we're
moving
38,
which
basically
will
require
us
to
provide
114
trees
and
we're
providing
130
and
contrary
to
objectives
comments
earlier
today,
all
the
trees
are
heavy
standard
and,
if
I'm
having
a,
if
I
have
an
opportunity
now,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
actually
personally
sent
email
and
consultation
responses
to
middle
friends
of
middleton
park
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
provide
evidence
of
the
correspondence.
I
never
received
a
response.
However,
I
have
done
that.
Thank
you.
A
K
E
Many
more
have
you
got
another
two:
okay,
the
same
information
we
would
need
on
the
biodiversity
game.
There
is
a
tool
that
is
available.
Can
that
be
provided
as
well,
so
hopefully
just
to
make
a
point,
but
the
alternative
locations?
E
R
So
amy
will
answer
question
on
funding,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
for
biodiversity:
we
have
full
assessment,
including
the
matrix
for,
for
that,
and
the
requirement
requirement
is
for
10
net
gain
and
our
net
gain
is
21.94
I'll,
pass
it
over
to
amy
about
the
funding.
Because,
as
you
know,
I
can't
really
answer
that.
J
And
I
don't
know
if
the
school
has
applied
for
funding
to
fix
this.
But
what
I
do
know
is
that
the
school
has
committed
to
funding
the
uplift
from
grass
to
3g
on
the
proposal
in
this
this
forthcoming
application.
So
I
don't
know
the
full
details
of
the
school's
budgets.
I
don't
know
if
they're
trying
to
fix
that
problem,
but
they
are
funding
a
reasonable
chunk
of
this
proposed
development.
J
Thanks
jeff,
following
on
from
the
questions
about
access,
where
are
the
changing
rooms
that
the
community
users
of
this
football
pitch
would
use.
R
R
However,
she
can
actually
remember
this:
is
a
green
belt
site
so
proposing
a
building
within
a
green
belt
ultimately
makes
it
harmful
by
definition
and
inappropriate
development,
so
that
was
also
removed
together
with
the
lighting
columns
and,
however,
there
are
existing
changing
rooms,
it's
just
that
it
will
be
a
bit
more
journey
to
the
changing
rooms
for
people
who'll
be
using
the
new
fridge
you
pitch.
R
A
Thank
you
very
much
it
you
have.
You
have
answers
a
lot
of
questions.
I'm
not
going
to
ask
questions.
I'm
just
going
to
comment
really.
I
don't
think
you're
really
thinking
of
the
community,
because
I
believe
when
you
take
things
from
a
community,
you
give
something
back
to
that
community.
A
But,
as
my
colleague
mentioned
in
3d,
you
know,
you
know,
that's
not
really
appropriate
where
you're
going
to
put
really.
So
what
are
you
giving
back
the
community?
Have
you
feed
your
young
people
about
the
environment?
You
are
taking
away
so
many
trees,
very
useful
and,
and
the
other
really
says
what
you
giving
back
to
the
community.
R
So
I
I
thank
you
for
your
comments.
First
of
all,
I
mean
I
guess,
what
we're
giving
back
to
the
community
is
that
the
school
is
giving
a
lot
to
community
just
being
present
within
biston
and
middleton
park
area
and
the
fact
that
they
an
outstanding
school
and
in
all
areas,
and
they
clearly
needed
to
to
deliver
the
pe,
so
just
on
the
fact
that
we're
taking
it
from
community.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify-
and
that's
really
really
important
here.
South
lee's
golf
club
was
a
privately
owned
golf
course.
R
So
there
was
a
membership
price
and
ultimately
it
the
reason
why
it
closed
had
nothing
to
do
with
this
project.
It
closed
during
due
to
decline
in
membership
and
vandalism
of
the
site.
I
don't
know
if
members
are
aware,
but
the
average
cost
of
golf
a
year
together
with
equipment
and
membership
is
900
pounds
a
year
that
excludes
a
big
chunk
of
community
from
beeston
and
middleton
park
to
actually
broadcast.
C
E
I
know
you
weren't
happy
at
residents
talking
to
me
this
morning,
but
one
of
them
did
and
pointed
out
to
me
that
they
had
used
this
particular
location
to
walk
for
tens
of
years,
which
is
lo
so
in
other
words,
she
was
obviously
walking
on
it
when
it
was
a
private
course.
So,
in
other
words,
there
is-
albeit
it
might
be,
a
permissive
way
across
it
or
something
like
that.
But
there
is
still
been
residents
over.
A
number
of
years
have
been
using
that
area
to
move
from
point
a
to
point
b.
A
K
Yes,
my
question
is
regarding
on
page
60,
where
it
say
the
community
used
agreement
for
previous
planning
permission
associated
with
the
school
has
not
been
implemented
and
you're
telling
us
that
the
community
will
be
able
to
to
use
the
school.
Will
the
community
be
able
to
use
the
school
also
during
this
holidays?
Or
is
it
term
time
only
and
why
haven't
that
agreement
been
implemented?.
R
So
I
believe
that
this
this
relates
to
school,
having
school,
specific
agreement
rather
than
using
a
school
lettings
facility.
So
some
schools
and
needs
manage
their
own
lettings
to
have
the
br
their
own
branded
communities
agreement.
We
can.
We
can
provide
one
as
part
of
this
application.
This
wouldn't
be
a
problem,
but
the
school
has
quite
successful
schedule
and
they're
really
busy.
K
Can
I
just
say,
academy
schools
before
they
become
academy
school,
especially
a
couple
that
I
know
of
they
agreed
that
the
community
would
be
able
to
use
the
school
in
the
evening
after
school
and
during
the
summer
holidays,
and
it
lasted
for
two
years
and
then
after
that,
they
they
start
putting
blocks
with
refurbishing
we're,
upgrading,
etc,
and
the
community
has
been
able
to
use
the
schools
for
for
summer
schemes
etc.
K
So
you're
saying
that
it's
with
the
the
council,
the
lettings,
but
then
it's
going
to
be
the
school
and
the
school
can
decide
whether
they
use
it
or
not.
So
the
the
agreement
out
hasn't
been
implemented,
so
why?
You
believe
that
it's
going
to
be
implemented?
If,
if
the
planning
go
ahead
for
the
pitches.
R
Counselor.
Thank
you.
I
do
understand
your
concerns,
but
I
was
assured
by
the
school
that
the
school
is
currently
used
by
the
community
and
they
there's
only
different
mechanism
that
they're
using
they
do
they.
I
understand
that,
in
line
with
the
lead
city
council's
lettings
policy,
if
you're
an
academy,
you've
got
some
additional
control
in
order,
for
example,
you
can
accept
additional
booking,
etc,
but
they
are
using
charging
schedule
by
elite
city,
council
and
they're.
Using
that
specific
team,
I
have
contacted
that
team
and
asked
them.
How
much
are
the
charges?
R
What's
the
cost,
because
people
ask
me
these
questions
at
the
pre-application
stage,
what
would
be
the
cost
of
renting
the
pitch?
So
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
that
information,
but,
like
I
said,
if
we
need
to
provide
brand
new
community
agreement
to
make
this
application
acceptable,
we
will
be
happy
to
do
this.
That's
not
a
problem.
The
reason
why
this
is
not
a
problem
is
because
the
school
are
happy
for
the
community
to
continue
to
use
the
existing
facilities
and
the
new
facilities
proposed
under
this
application.
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
if
the
pitches
are
unsuitable,
largely
unsuitable
for
school
use,
currently,
how
are
they
still
suitable
for
community
use?
Currently.
R
I
wouldn't
say
that
the
current
existing
existing
facilities
are
unusable.
This
recognized
problem
of
the
grass
pitch
during
winter
months
with
water
there's,
obviously
an
existing
multi-game
area
and
a
3g
pitch
the
school
are
using,
where
there's
no
problem
with
that,
so,
while
community
are
still
free
to
book
it.
I
believe
that
if,
if
there
is
issue
with
water,
a
specific
period,
whoever's
making
a
booking
is
being
notified
because
the
school's
school
is
conscious
about
what
how
it's
going
to
look
like
if
you
continue
to
use
it.
R
However,
like
I
said
they
haven't,
got
much
choice
at
the
moment
they
have
to
be
using
it
to
meet
pe
they've,
already
reduced
the
amount
of
sports
they
can
teach.
So
there
is
a
problem,
but
unfortunately
that
problem,
sometimes
it
just
has
to
be
it-
has
to
be
there
and
they
have
to
keep
using
it
because
they
haven't
got
much
choice.
K
My
question
first
of
all,
is
for
clarification
regarding
the
exact
papers.
What
what
the
what
they've
written
read
read
read.
I
just
want
to
know
the
get
clarification
on
that
is
that
exactly
what
it.
B
Well,
yeah
in,
in
summary,
there
was
an
exec
report
back
in
2020,
because
nikki's
had
the
opportunity
to
have
a
quick
look
and
it
did
actually
say
that
the
the
land
could
be
provided
to
the
school
for
the
pitch
provision.
However,
it
does
caveat
it
by
saying
subject
to
planning,
so
that
caveat
is
clearly
there.
B
So
I
don't
know
you
you
could
argue
it
should
have
been
done.
The
way
and
perhaps
planning
should
have
been
involved
prior
to
to
the
executive
board
report,
but
we
are
where
we
are.
I
think
it's
true.
D
Can
I
just
add
it's
not
unusual
when
there's
disbursement
of
funds,
many
of
you
councillors
will
know
that
that
they
will,
they
will
allocate
funds,
because
there's
timing,
issues
and
planning
permission
can't
be
implemented
at
certain
stages
and
that
the
report
does
appear
to
acknowledge
that.
But
we
can
certainly
it's
the
june.
K
K
Yes,
so
so
that's
why
this
planning
application
it
well
for
is
here.
That's
why
it's
here,
because
exec
board
has
already
stated
that
the
school
could
well.
It's
isn't
that
what
it's
saying
it
wait.
D
K
Well,
you
see
I'm
re
hearing
differently
anyway.
I
know
you've
explained
it
to
me
what
exact
paper
said
so,
okay,
my
question
over
to
you,
nigel,
is,
is
to
ask
about
the
pitch.
Have
it
been
investigated
and
is
there
anything
else
that
can
be
done?
Is
there
an
alternative
like
us?
I
ask
the
clients
regard
to,
could
drainage
be
put
in?
Can
the
pitch
be
built
up,
etc?
K
Because
that's
what
we're
looking
at
in
my
ward,
you
know
we
have
got
drainage
issues
and
obviously
we're
looking
for
funding,
but
these
sort
of
ideas
have
come
up
and
is
there
an
alternative
and
also
with
regards
to
removing
of
the
the
38
trees?
Is
the
council
happy
with
that?
I
mean
I
know
they
said
they're
going
to
plant
110
whatever
you
know.
Are
we
happy
with
that?
You
know.
So
those
are
my
question
questions
to
you
anyway.
P
Thank
you,
counselor,
okay,
so
in
in
terms
of
the
alternatives
for
the
pitch,
I
mean
I
mean
clearly
as
part
of
my
kind
of
overall
kind
of
presentation.
I
suggested
that.
P
The
trees
are
quite
significant.
We
have
a
climate
change
agenda,
the
priority
should
be
on
retaining
trees,
and
if
there
are
alternatives
they
should
be
fully
explored
and
examined,
and
I
think
they
should
be
examined
forensically
as
well.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
a
level
of
detail
that
we
should
go
down
to
to
to
kind
of
make
make
that
assessment.
P
I
think
it's
a
big
leap
of
faith
to
jump
from
losing
38,
mature
trees
or
early
mature
trees
to
then
suggesting
that
under
policy
land,
two
that
the
development
is
compliant
if
it's
a
three
for
one
replacement,
because
that
what
that
doesn't
take
into
account
is
the
carbon
capture,
the
the
the
the
considerable
benefits,
both
visually
and
from
a
climate
change,
point
of
view
that
those
trees
contribute
to
the
area.
P
So
I
think
I
think
that
is
a
a
leap
of
faith,
as
I
say
so
in
terms
of
alternatives,
the
applicant's
right
I
mean
you
know
that
that
the
way
it
was
presented
that
pitch
would
not
work
on
on
the
existing
site.
P
But
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
pitch
presented
is
a
tier
one
level
pitch
and
what
that
means
is
in
terms
of
it's
not
not
necessarily
specification
but
in
terms
of
its
size
and
I'll
refer
to
rugby
league,
because
that
takes
the
greatest
amount
of
space
in
terms
of
the
runoff
requirements,
so
that
that
that
pitch
would
be
120
meters
long.
The
pitch
itself
is
100
meters.
The
runoff
areas
are
10
meters,
so
it's
120
meters
and
I
think
it's
70
meters
wide
with
the
runoffs.
P
P
Tier
4
is
available
and
usable
for
for
community
and
club
level
rugby.
It
wouldn't
obviously
meet
professional
standards,
but
but
it
would
serve
that
community
if
a
community
use
element
was
to
be
introduced.
But
I
also
accept
that
if
you
were
to
introduce
flood
lighting,
particularly
on
the
pitch
to
the
to
the
north
of
the
of
the
of
the
school
campus,
then
that
would
be
close
to
residential
properties,
the
the
pitch
to
the
east
of
the
site,
perhaps
less
so,
but
it.
P
But
these
days
modern
lighting
standards
would
enable
direct
lighting
to
be
used.
It's
very
efficient.
The
light
spillage
is
almost
non-existent
and
there
are
many
examples
throughout
the
city
where
flood
lighting
and
community
use
work
kind
of
you
know
cheap
by
jowl,
with
residential
properties
and
and
with
the
right
conditions.
You
can
obviously
restrict
the
hours
of
operation.
So
so
there
are
controls
in
place
and
it
is
deliverable
in
in
in
my
view
now
now.
P
P
What's
already
there
you're,
not
you're,
not
you're,
not
increasing
the
the
the
the
provision
but
equally
and-
and
I
did
note
slight
tonal
difference
in
in
the
approach
because
in
the
submission
it
talks
about
those
pictures
being
unusable
during
periods
of
of
wet
weather,
and
I
think
that
that
kind
of
changed
to
the
pictures
remain
in
use
during
during
periods
of
wet
weather.
So
so
I
think
I
think
I
think
you
know
so
so
there
is.
There
is
scope
to
to
obviously
carry
out
attenuation.
P
There
is
scope
to
make
the
the
site
better.
There
is
betterment
to
be
had.
There
just
needs
to
be
an
appetite
to
do
so.
K
One
last
thing
I
mean-
and
I
know
you've
explained
about
the
alternative
and
what
can
be
done
just
being
not
not
quite
clear,
with
regards
I'm
asking
this
question:
would
they
be
able
to
build
on
top
of
it?
You
know
sort
of
astro
turf.
Am
I
thinking
of
the
right
thing?
No
or
something
else
I
know
about
once
they've
done
the
drainage
they
can
put
sort
of
like
a
picture
something
on
on
top
of
it.
Maybe
I
got
it
wrong,
but
I'm
not
technical.
P
So
so
3g
pitch,
then
you
know
which
is
effectively.
You
know
what
yeah
yeah
yeah.
I
mean
there's
one
there
at
the
moment
on
the
on
the
site
and-
and
and
you
know
it
is
obviously
possible,
but
as
I
say
that
that
would
not
be
at
the
size
in
which
of
reflecting
what's
being
proposed
at
the
moment.
K
Just
one
at
this
moment
in
time
regarding
the
tennis
pitches
that
they
want,
so
they
have
multi-use,
don't
the
way
they
can
play.
Tennis
is
as
they're
requiring
how
many
tennis
courts
three
is
that
necessary
for
a
school
none
of
the
schools
that
I
know
as
three
tennis
courts.
You
know
and
in
a
in
a
city
I
mean,
and
anyway,
I've
come
on
to
comment.
B
Yeah,
so
can
I
just
intervene
just
for
a
second
or
two
everything
nigel
has
said.
I
think
incorrect
in
terms
of
what
you
could
do
to
a
pitch
to
correct
it
or
even
go
down
to
a
fourth
tier
pitch
as
opposed
to
a
one-tier
pitch.
That's
all
absolutely
correct,
but
just
add
a
tiny
little
bit
of
balance
to
this.
The
other
thing
that
the
the
agent
maria
actually
said
was
that
and
you've
got
to
just
bear
this
in
mind,
because
don't
you
just
love
panel,
because
panel
gets
involved
in
some
really
detailed
debates.
B
You
know
you.
Never
you
never
know
where
you're
going
to
go.
I
mean
I,
I
liken
it
to
that
old
forest
gump
thing.
You
know
it's
like
life,
like
a
box
of
chocolates
and
panels
like
a
box
of
chocolates
because
you're
never
quite
sure
what
you're
going
to
get
oh
yeah,
and
but
this
is
a
very
interesting
point.
Is
this
because
one
of
the
things
just
for
balance
so
yeah,
you
can
correct
things
like
this
and
throw
money
at
it.
B
Absolutely
you
could
do,
as
nigel
says
the
downside
to
that
in
that
particular
location
where
this
pitches,
with
the
the
drainage
difficulties,
if
you're
going
to
floodlight
it.
You
could
end,
then
with
immunity
issues,
so
you've
got
to
just
take
a
bit
of
balance,
but
also
one
of
the
things
that
we
said
and
bear
this
in
mind.
This
is
a
school.
B
That's
got
40
deficiency
of
school
playing
pictures
now,
for
whatever
reason,
that's
the
situation
now
and
if
you
then
obviously
go
on
to
those
pictures
and
take
that
one
out
of
operation
plus
the
equipment
and
the
cabins
that
you
need
to
facilitate
the
construction
works.
You
end
up
with
a
school
that,
for
whatever
period
of
time
during
that
period,
has
then
got
less
than
even
40
percent
of
doing
that.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
for
balor
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
for
balance,
it's
a
really
difficult
decision
for
you
and
just
going
back
to
the
just
going
back
to
the
the
executing
board
report,
I'm
sure
at
the
time
that
was
as
well
and
they
say
it
was
caveated
on
the
basis
that
subject
to
planning
permission,
one
of
the
key
things
that
really
we
need
to
tease
out
of
this
before
we
get
back
to
the
to
the
issue.
The
the
points
that
we've
raised,
I
mean
some
of
these
questions.
B
Actually
you
may
struggle
to
answer
at
this
particular
stage,
but
we'll
go
through
them
and
see
what
we
can
do,
but
I
think
one
thing
that
we
need
to
try
and
get
out
of
this
is
whether
members
accept
if
we
can
sort
all
of
these
problems,
that
having
a
pitch
in
that
location
is
acceptable
because,
ultimately,
there's
a
lot
of
money
will
be
chucked
at
this,
both
by
the
council
and
the
school.
In
terms
of
doing
this.
B
So
you
know
if
we
sorted
out
the
biodiversity,
the
carbon
capture,
provided
that
information
to
convince
you,
whether
it
gives
back
in
us
to
the
community
whether
we
can
provide
information
to
say
that
they
are
fully
considered
that
this
is
the
only
solution
in
terms
of
the
location
of
the
pitch
concerns
regarding
public
access
to
the
the
the
the
setted
path
and
obviously,
community
use
to
the
three
g
pitch.
Ultimately.
B
Would
members
support
a
pitch
in
this
location
is
the
question
that
we
we
ultimately
need
to
to
get
to
at
some
point,
because
then
we
need
to
go
away
and
talk
to
the
the
applicants
where
they
can
provide
that
information
to
significant
detail
and
depth
to
convince
you
that
this
is
the
optimum
solution.
So
that's
all
we're
trying
to
tease
out
of
members
today
in
a
way
I
mean
does,
that
is,
is
that
where
we
are
before
we
go
on
to
the
the
the
specific
bullet
points.
A
D
No,
I
I
it
was.
It
was
really
yet
again,
why
don't?
We
have
somebody
from
parks
and
countryside
such
as
glenn
gorna
here
as
an
officer
when
we're
discussing
the
loss
of
38
pretty
reasonably
sized
trees.
Thank
you.
P
Yeah,
obviously,
there's
no
good
reason
why
why
why
representatives
from
parks
and
countryside
couldn't
be
present,
they
haven't
been
invited,
is
obviously
the
answer,
but
they
could
be
invited
at
the
time
the
application
comes
forward
for
determination.
B
Yeah
we
wouldn't
need
both
one
or
the
other
yeah
could
answer
the
questions,
but
again
it's
actually,
we
kind
of
sort
of
touched
this
when
I
was
talking
to
council
anderson
at
one
point
earlier
today.
One
of
the
difficulties
with
this
is
that
at
the
moment
the
policy
is
asking
for
a
three
to
one
replacement.
B
We
probably
yeah,
I
don't
know
how
many
we
might
get.
In
addition,
I
mean
that's
a
debate
that
the
the
the
the
applicant
has
to
have
and
to
consider.
Isn't
it,
but
again
it's
kind
of,
as
I
say,
if
we
could
sort
all
this
out
with
additional
trees
and
give
you
the
information,
would
this
site
ultimately
be
acceptability
in
this
green
greenbelt
location?
It's
it's
just
a
tough
one.
B
It
really
is
because
I
know
that
the
aspiration
here
from
everybody
is
to
provide
the
correct
facilities
for
the
education
of
the
kids
at
school,
but
at
the
same
time
you
don't
want
to
you,
don't
want
to
reduce
or
impact
upon
the
the
community's
use
of
that
that
facility,
but
panels
about
tough
decisions
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
I
say
all
I
want
to
get
out
of
this
today,
really
is
an
instruction
to
the
officers
as
to
whether
this
is
worth
pursuing
at
all.
B
In
a
way
and
and
and
and
you
you,
you
know,
the
reason
it's
here
without
a
a
recommendation
for
a
decision
is
because
there
is
more
information
required
and
we
need
it
to
get
some
sort
of
steer
from
members
before
this.
All
this
additional
work
was
done
because
it
will
be
costly,
but
a
member
is
thinking
it
is
it's
still
worth
pursuing
in
this
location
to
get
the
pitch
for
that
school,
which
has
already
got
the
40
deficiency,
or
are
we
saying
this
is
absolutely
no.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
B
I
Thanks
mine
wasn't
a
question
really.
It
was
more
of
a
response
to
mr
butler's
comments
with
a
view
to
being
helpful.
I
think
mr
butler
set
out
the
issues
in
front
of
us
very
clearly
on
in,
and
I
think
from
my
point
of
view.
I
think
the
answer
is
that
during
this
debate
this
afternoon,
these
question
answer
sessions.
I
I
think,
as
a
panel
we've,
some
somehow
lost
a
little
bit
of
touch
as
to
quite
who
the
apple
unit
is
and
what
they're
intending
to
do.
This
is
a
school.
This
is
a
school
applicant.
This
is
not
exxon
valdez
wanting
to
build
a
term
oil
terminal
somewhere,
although
you
might
have
lost
track
of
that
from
some
of
the
the
tone
of
cup
questions,
it's
an
outstanding
school
in
a
very
deprived
ward.
I
Now,
notwithstanding
the
comments
from
stage
right
and
if
members
could,
we
could
have
one
meeting
that'd
be
really
helpful,
but
it's
an
outstanding
school
in
a
deprived
ward.
Now
I
don't
know
about
other
members,
but
I
fervently
believe
in
the
importance
of
sport,
to
build
character,
to
build
teamwork,
to
build
confidence
to
build
well-being.
I
I
Now
myself
and
my
fellow
zero
carbonistas
call
a
golf
course,
an
ecological
desert,
because
that's
what
it
is,
but
it's
been
gifted
to
middleton
park
recently,
that's
fantastic,
but
the
school
really
needs
to
expand
its
facilities,
and
we've
had
at
length
this
afternoon
in
quite
a
lot
of
detail
how
there
will
be
a
net
biodiversity
gain
from
what's
proposed.
So
far.
I
The
carbon
assessment
that
council
anderson
wants
is
coming
with
our
soon
to
be
unveiled.
Climate
emergency
led
local
plan
review,
which
will
be
nationally
leading
edge
and
that's
going
to
be
fantastic.
We
can't
apply
that
metric
quite
yet
chair,
so
we
have
to
go
with
number
of
trees
and
that
biodiversity
gain
and,
to
me,
that's
a
considerable
considerable
bonus
so
to
bring
around
to
where
I
started.
I
So
you
need
to
think
really
hard
about
that.
So
an
answer
to
steve
into
mr
butler's
questions.
I
say
we
need
to
look
at
this
location.
I
think
it
is
a
good
and
appropriate
location
to
this.
I
think
we
have
issues
to
solve
mr
butler
set
out,
but
I
don't
think
in
good
conscience.
This
panel
should
turn
its
face
against
the
application
as
it
is
set
out
now,
despite
those
issues
to
resolve,
I
hope
that's
helpful,
chair.
A
A
J
Thanks
chair,
as
you
probably
guessed
from
your
question
my
questions
earlier,
there
are
alternatives.
To
this
I
mean
they
haven't
been
looked
at.
J
That's
the
one
which
is
leased
to
horstworth
sports
club
and
said,
and
by
their
club
set
margaret's
fc,
one
of
the
largest
amateur
clubs
in
the
country
over
a
thousand
players
hundred
plus
teams
of
all
ages
and
developing
a
massive
girls
and
women's
sides
as
well.
J
J
It
meets
lead
city
council's
policy
on
grass
pitches.
This
doesn't
obviously
what's
in
front
of
us
today
and
it's
fairly
obvious
that
the
applicant
hasn't
looked
any
further
they've
gone
for
what
is
probably
an
easier
option.
They
haven't
had
to
go
in
for
any
funding
bids
or
anything
now
if
this
was
being
done
as
a
football
pitch
that
was
fully
open
to
the
public,
not
fenced
off,
not
going
through
a
lettings,
a
school's
lettings
policy
where
the
school
determines
where
and
when
members
of
the
public
can
use
it.
J
It
may
not
necessarily
have
a
lot
of
the
issues
it
has
bearing
in
mind.
You
know
what
council
wall
shows
just
said
is
is
quite
correct,
with
the
attitude
towards
academies
and
personally,
I'm
not
keen
on
the
city
council
giving
land
to
academies.
J
A
C
C
Can
I
just
start
by
saying
none
of
us
sitting
in
this
room
want
to
stop
kids
playing
followers
and
we
want
to
get
you
know
for
kids
to
have
the
best
facilities
they
possibly
can
nobody's,
arguing
about
that
and
I'll
just
touch
on
the
executive
board,
the
executive
board
and
not
the
planning
authority.
C
Now
I
turned
up
with
a
fairly
open
mind
as
you
should
do.
Reading
the
papers.
I
thought
you
know
this
is
more
or
less
cut
and
dried,
but
actually
this
is
a
really
significant
piece
of
green
belt,
really
significant
and
okay.
It
may
have
been
a
golf
club,
but
if
you
go
there
down,
you'd
never
know
that
the
trees,
the
mature
trees,
there's
extensive
grassed
areas.
It's
a
really
important
piece
of
habitat.
C
Now,
if
you're
going
to
chop
that
up
or
take
that
away
from
the
community-
and
there
may
well
be
a
rest
of
the
park
next
to
it,
but
simply
saying
there's
a
bit
more,
so
it's
all
right!
It
doesn't
work
for
me
if
you're
going
to
take
that
away
from
the
community,
you
have
to
say:
what's
the
benefit
and
that's
what
the
accident
it
should.
There
should
be:
no
development
unless
there's
some
real
benefit.
What's
the
benefit?
C
Well,
there's
definite
benefit
for
the
school.
Let's
not
argue
about
that.
The
school
gets
benefit.
What
benefit
does
the
community
get
the
community?
Don't
get
any
benefit
out
of
this
at
all?
We
pressed
them
really
hard
about.
What's
the
management
agreement,
how
are
people
going
to
access
this?
How
is
it
going
to
be
made
available
for
everybody
in
that
community
to
use?
And,
as
you
said,
you
know
in
december-
it's
unusable
because
it's
dark
at
four
o'clock,
so
there's
no
community
benefit
within
this
whatsoever,
and
then
we
got
another
red
herring
thrown
in.
C
C
We've
already
heard
that
sports
england
are
not
too
happy,
and
that
seems
reasonable
to
me
we're
losing
some
mature
trees
and
okay.
We
have
this
discussion
about
whether
it's
a
three
for
one
and
okay,
it's
a
three
for
one
and
a
few
more
but
we'll
be
asking
for
a
few
more
anyway
we'd
be
asking
for
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
on
a
development
like
this.
C
Do
members
have
any
concerns
or
comments
about
the
the
ecology
there's
a
dispute
is
our
ecology
officer
is
saying
there
are
issues
as
far
as
he's
concerned,
because
the
assessment's
wrong,
and
coming
back
and
saying
yes,
our
assessment's
right,
it's
not
all
right.
So
there
seems
to
be
real
issues
in
relation
that
the
design
solution
well
you're,
just
going
in
there
and
taking
a
field
which
is
currently
sloping
and
chopping
it
up.
C
C
C
I
know
it's
a
different
piece
of
legislation,
but
diverting
the
footpath
then
the
route
the
new
route
is,
is
less
acceptable
than
the
current
one.
So
a
straight
line.
What
they're
saying
is
a
long
curl
is
better
than
a
straight
line.
It
isn't
the
highways
issues
and
it
goes
back
to
this
issue.
If
we
have
public
access,
if
we
have
public
access
to
that
car
park,
bearing
in
mind
it
is
locked
that
access
road
that
we
went
down
when
it
said
cap
was
it
capsule,
don't
care.
C
I
can't
remember
that
access
road
we
went
down
is
substandard.
There's
no
talk
about
improving
that
I
mean
I
could
go
on
chair,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
at
the
moment
this
is
unacceptable
and
I
could
not
put
my
hand
up
and
support
this
as
it
stands
at
the
moment.
Now,
that's
not
to
say
that
in
the
future
something
might
not
come
forward,
but
at
the
moment
this
isn't
it.
A
D
E
You
know
did
come
up
with
the
issues
that
we
came
up
with,
so
I
think
that's
a
good
starting
point
that
we
need
to
take
forward.
But
what
I
would
say
is
I'd
go
back
to
the
very
very
first
paragraph
in
this
report,
where
it
says
the
application
is
presented
to
plans
panel
following
a
request
from
councillor
sharon
burke,
who
supports
the
overarching
need
for
the
school's
additional
sporting
provision,
but
also
recognizes
the
weight
of
public
objection.
E
We
also
heard
as
well
that
council
dixon
has
raised
concerns
and
there's
no
reason
to
doubt
that
the
dispute
that
comes
to
trust
will
may
have
concerns
as
well.
So
I
think
we
need
to
find
out
we've
not
heard
today
what
are
the
views
of
the
local
councils
in
terms
of
alternative
provision?
What
would
they
like
to
see
happening
on
this
land?
Equally,
I
don't
think.
We've
had
clearly
enough
a
view
from
the
local
community
as
to
what
we're
they,
because
some
of
the
local
community
will
have
children
who
are
at
the
school.
E
So
what
do
they
think
about
the
school
facilities?
We
need
to
find
out
a
range
of
views,
so
I
would
actually
concur
with
the
comment
that
counselor
burke
has
put
in
here
that
I
agree.
I
support
the
overarching
needs
for
the
schools
additional
sporting
facilities,
but
there
are
objections,
and
I
think
it's
due
to
bound
on
us
to
try
and
minimize
those
objections,
or
at
least
come
up
with
adaptation
or
mitigation
in
order
to
do
something
about
that.
So
that's
where
my
stance
is
on
this
one.
E
A
E
We
had
the
opportunity
to
crop
to
to
cross
questions,
scrutinize
call
whoever
you
like
with
the
word
members.
I
think
we'd
be
able
to
elicit
a
number
of
other
valuable
comments,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
know
their
area
far
better
than
probably
all
of
us
do
to
be
honest,
and
the
same
goes
to
anybody
else's
ward.
The
only
people
who
know
it
best
are
the
local
ward
members,
and
I
think
we
should
respect
their
views
and
we
should
try
and
find
out
what
are
their
views
and
concerns
and
the
community
as
well.
A
A
great
counselor
and
listen
so
at
this
moment
in
time
I'll
and
over
to
steve,
then
you
can
go
through
to
see
where
we
will
go
on
this
one
yeah,
but
I
do
take
all
members
coming
they're
all
valid,
and
I
personally
you
know
we
are
taking
too
much
away
from
the
community
that
green
space.
We
have
a
climate
changes
and
we
have
to
look
at
it
again.
Young
people
do
need
play
activity,
but
the
question
is:
is
all
these
activities?
B
I
mean
you've
all
addressed
this
in
a
way,
but
just
to
put
this
very
very
succinctly,
as
we
stand
at
the
moment,
panel
is
not
convinced
that
this
is
the
optimum
solution
and
there
is
a
lot
to
be
done
by
the
applicants
to
convince
panel
members.
Otherwise,
that's
where
we
are
isn't
it
they've
heard
the
debate.
They've
had
the
questions
I
have
summarized
the
the
issues
and
I'll
include,
obviously
the
views
of
local
councillors.
B
B
Do
members
support
the
principle
of
considering
this
application
without
without
the
requirement
for
a
needs
assessment,
as
suggested
by
sport?
England?
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
isn't
it.
You
want
the
sporting
yeah.
Okay.
Do
members
have
any
comments
to
make
regarding
tree
loss
and
proposed
mitigation
measures?
Well,
I've
covered
that
carbon
capture
biodiversity
will
seek
more
planting.
Obviously
it
is
policy
over
policy
compliant
now,
but
we
may
be
able
to
negotiate
additional
planting,
but
the
the
understanding
at
the
moment.
B
I
think
people
appreciate
the
three
to
one
ratio
in
terms
of
how
much
carbon
capture
you
get
on
it,
even
an
extra
heavy
standard
which
are
the
more
difficult
to
keep
alive
by
the
way
the
little
twig
ones
are
the
better
one
the
oddly,
but
but
but
they
will
have
a
greater
carbon
capture
than
the
smaller
ones.
The
simple
matter
of
fact
is:
it
is
policy
compliant
and
slightly
over
that,
but
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
try
to
achieve
some
additional
planting
to
to
at
least
improve
the
situation.
B
So
I
think
that's
the
answer
on
that.
One.
Do
members
have
any
concerns
or
comments
relating
to
the
ecology
mat
as
well
again,
you
want
further
information
on
that.
Notwithstanding
the
extent
of
the
tree
loss
in
visual
and
design
terms,
do
members
support
the
proposed
layout
and
design
solution?
This
is
all
about
you
still
not
being
convinced,
so
you
can
only
determine
that
with
the
additional
information.
I
think
the
members
have
any
concerns
or
comments
related
to
the
potential
upon
the
local
community.
B
That's
quite
obviously
a
yes
and
and
as
I
say,
there
may
be
an
opportunity
that
they
will
be
an
opportunity
later
state
for
the
community
to
address
when
an
application
comes
forward
for
a
decision
as
well.
Do
members
have
any
concerns
or
comments
relating
to
highways
issue?
I'd
initially
put
no
on
that,
but
actually
there
are
some
concerns
about
the
adequacy
of
the
access.
Isn't
there
yeah
so
I've
just
captioned
that
so
we
have
to
look
at
whether
that
can
be
improved
in
any
way.
B
I
don't
know
where
whether
ahmad
wants
to
comment
on
the
adequacy
of
it
now,
but
there's
no
reason
again.
I
can't
put
this
on
the
list
to
go
back
and
then
I'll
say
sorry
just
bear
with
me
saying
now
and
then,
in
addition
to
all
that
I'll,
just
very
quickly
reiterate,
it
is
difficult.
B
You
need
more
information,
you're,
not
convinced
and
need
to
be,
and
then
there's
issue
about
detail
about.
The
biodiversity
carbon
capture,
what
additional
can
be
provided
to
the
community.
B
In
terms
of
community
reuse
agreement
to
improve
that
situation
need
to
understand
what
the
real
issue
is
about:
the
re,
improving
the
existing
pitch
drainage,
etc
and
the
problems
that
that
creates
public
access
to
the
existing
pathways
that
can
be
facilitated
outside
school
hours
and
obviously,
as
I
mentioned,
the
3g
pitch,
I
think
I
think
that
probably
covers
everything.
B
Do
you
want
to
just
answer
that?
Sorry.
D
Yeah
thanks
steve.
If
I
may
chair,
I,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
the
access
has
actually
been
improved
as
part
of
the
school
expansion.
It
is
4.5
to
5.1
meters
wide,
so
that
is
actually
accord
with
the
street
design
guide
requirements
for
the
proposed
use.
We
can't
widen
the
axis
any
further
because
of
trees
and
land
constraints.
D
The
the
access
further
with
the
car
park
that
you
saw
on
the
site
visit
has
a
lay-by
that
actually
that
was
again
proposed
as
part
of
the
expansion.
The
access
on
gypsy
lane
has
got
a
highway
scheme
to
to
provide
no
weight
in
double
yellow
lines
in
sense
to
to
improve
visibility,
displays
and
to
and
to
make
it
safer
for
ins
and
outs.
So
the
axis
belmont
is
actually
is.
D
D
The
the
community
used
so
based
on
on
their
waste
worst
case
scenario
of
having
a
a
rugby
pitch
is
so
you
would
have
30
players,
eight
subs,
one
referee,
two
touch
touchline
judges
plus.
C
It
goes
back
to
the
comment
about
the
agreement
about
community
use,
because,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you're
doing
what
you
say-
which
is
a
team
two
teams
plus
a
couple
of
referees
and
some
lions-
men,
women
etc,
then
that's
a
fixed
number.
Yes,
I
understand
that.
But,
for
example,
one
I've
just
been
dealing
with.
C
We
you,
you
have
a
a
particular
group,
so
a
sports
group,
a
football
group,
for
example,
who
may
have
half
a
dozen
young
people's
teams
who
could
all
do
practice
on
a
pitch
this
size,
because
it's
a
big
one,
so
you're
actually
then
saying
well.
C
If
we
actually
have,
I
don't
know
beast
and
football
club
junior
section
doing
practice
on
there
which
they
like
to
do
then
you're,
actually
gonna
need
a
lot
more.
So
it
goes
back
to
this
argument
about
what's
the
detail
of
the
the
community
agreement,
because
that
that
specifies
exactly
how
many
people
will
be
there
and
how
they're
going
to
get
in
and
out.
And
at
that
point
I
think
you
might
be
able
to
say
yes
or
no.
D
I
haven't
said
anything
at
all,
and
I've
been
taking
all
this
in
and
the
cleared
issue
here
is
about.
We
can
sit,
the
school
can
sit
there
and
say:
yes,
they've
got
access,
we
know
as
local
ward
members
most
academies
don't
give
that
yeah
and
we
need.
I
need
some
assurances
to
put
this
through
to
say
that
the
school
that
the
community
use
is
throughout
when,
when
the
school's
not
operating,
that's
the
crux
of
it.
B
So
yeah,
all
I
was
going
to
say,
was
that
yeah
I've
just
added
that
to
about
obviously
a
detailed
community
use
agreement
to
cover
those
issues,
the
only
other
things
I
don't
want
to
prolong
this
any
further.
If
I
might
just
add
and
it'd,
be
just
one
less
task
to
deal
with.
I
suppose
what
ahmed
has
actually
just
said
about
the
access
itself
and
the
improvements
were
done
when
the
school
was
extended.
B
B
B
Sorry,
chet
yeah
chairs,
just
ask:
where
do
we
go
from
here,
because
this
is
obviously
I
want
a
glass
of
wine?
No,
I'm
not
I'm
not
drinking,
I'm
not
drinking.
No.
This
is
a
position
statement,
so
I
think
I've
summarized
what
are
the
issues?
As
I
say
succinctly,
it's
just
the
fact
that
I'm
not
convinced
this
is
the
optimum
solution.
There's
a
lot
to
be
done
by
the
applicant.
I've
gone
through
what
the
the
list
is,
but
that's
what
I'm
yeah
so
yeah.
I've
got
that
down.
E
Just
actually
one
other
issue:
that's
on
my
mind
about
the
highways
where
the
car
park
is
going
to
be
that
the
red
that
the
community
are
meant
to
use.
What
about
anybody
with
disabilities,
because
it's
quite
a
distance,
it's
going
to
be
quite
a
distance.
So
in
other
words,
if
there
is
anyone
with
disabil,
you
know
if
you
use
for
disabled
sport,
and
we've
already
heard
that
there
are
double
yellow
lines.
So
people
shouldn't
be
parking
on
double
yellow
lines.
E
But
I've
got
a
bad
experience
just
now
in
my
area
about
non-com
about
forcing
this
these
through
before
we
have
a
chance
to
tighten
up
on
some
of
the
conditions,
and
it's
how
we
can
be
sure
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day
that,
if
we
put
conditions
on,
they
will
be
adhered
to
before
development
takes
place,
because
otherwise
I've
got
a
bad
experience
just
now,
and
also
with
construction
management.
Where
are
they,
how
are
they
going
to
get
access
to
the
site
in
terms
of
construction
management?
Where
are
the
crew?
E
Well,
the
people
who
are
going
to
do
the
work
where
are
they
going
to
park?
Are
they
going
to
be
parking
in
the
school
site
and
then
walking
out,
or
are
they
going
to
be
parking
at
the
top
of
the
lane
park
at
the
top
of
the
lane?
Now
I
know
that's
not
precise,
but
it's,
but
these
are
other
highways
issues.
I
think
we
need
to
be
satisfied
with
that.
E
A
He'll
get
back
to
this
counselor
and
listen.
If
he
do
come
back
to
planning,
then
we
can
put
all
the
restrictions
in
place
today
is
just
to
decide
should.
Are
we
supporting
it
that
it
could
come
back
or
it
shouldn't
come
back?
So
if
it
does
come
back,
then
all
these
restrictions
with
highways
and
the
other
agency
trees
and
whatever
we
will
invite
those
people
and
look
into
it
and
put
whatever
restriction
need
to
put
in
place,
is
that
okay,
so.
B
So,
just
just
to
conclude-
and
I
don't
want
to
go
through
the
list
again-
I've
added
on
to
the
list-
the
disabled,
access
to
pictures
and
drop-off
facilities
and
the
the
construction
management
plan,
which
it
tends
to
be
standard
condition.
Anyway.
As
you
know,
I
mean
in
terms
of
enforcement.
You
know
we
do
obviously
enforce
the
conditions
through
the
normal
process,
so
all
this
will
be
captured,
but
in
the
minutes
the
minutes
obviously
be
presented
to
yourselves
and
if
you
think,
there's
anything,
that's
that's
missing.
D
Thanks
chair
steve,
could
could
you
just
try
and
clarify
whether
any
playing
pitches
or
of
any
type
were
lost
during
the
last
extension?
Please.