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A
B
Hi
my
name's
John
Hall
I'm,
a
town
planner
at
Lee
city
council,
I
deal
with
affordable
housing
applications.
D
E
Good
afternoon
it's
councilor
David
Jenkins
Representing,
Kelly
back
and
secret
board.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Everyone
and
thank
you.
Council
Smith
for
subbing
this
afternoon.
Moving
to
the
agenda
could
I
ask
the
cloud
to
go
through
each
item.
Sorry
agenda
item
number
one
to
five.
Thanks.
I
A
A
A
Take
care,
as
you
know,
thank
you
item
seven,
which
will
be
presented
by
John
yeah.
B
Yes,
that's
correct.
Okay,.
C
B
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I've
very
slightly
reordered
the
PowerPoint
presentation
I've
dated
a
couple
of
photos,
so
apologies
for
this,
but
it
won't
perfectly
match
the
slides
in
front
of
you.
However,
I'm
hoping
it's
easy
enough
to
to
follow.
B
So
the
proposal
is
for
a
five-story
apartment,
building
containing
58,
affordable
units
with
Associated
parking
and
Landscaping
areas
on
land
at
Railway,
Street.
Next
to
the
Saxton
Gardens
estate
in
the
bermintuffs
and
Richmond
Hill
Ward,
the
applicant
is
Leeds
and
Yorkshire
Housing
Association.
B
The
application
was
presented
at
the
30th
of
June
plans
panel
as
a
position
statement.
Since
then
Amendments
have
been
made.
The
application
is
now
presented
with
a
recommendation
to
defer
and
delegate
to
the
chief
planning
officer
for
approval,
subject
to
conditions
and
the
completion
of
a
section,
106
agreement.
B
B
B
B
B
This
is
a
photo
of
the
site
looking
toward
the
cleared
site
of
the
social
club,
and
these
next
photos
won't
be
in
your
information
pack
as
they're
only
taken
over
the
weekend.
But
you
can
see
that
construction
work
on
the
neighboring
apartment
scheme
is
well
underway.
The
building's
shown
here
will
be
stepped
in
height,
with
a
red
and
gray
part
rising
to
12
stories
and
white
part
to
18
stories,
and
this
is
a
maybe
a
clearer
view
of
the
new
building.
That's
going
up.
B
So
the
building
itself
will
be
constructed
of
a
buff
light,
red
and
dark
red
brick
and
there'll
be
floor
to
ceiling
Windows
the
Juliet
balconies,
giving
the
building
a
contemporary
appearance,
the
varied
elevation
form
and
angles,
add
interest
to
the
area
and
break
up
the
massing
and
bulk
of
the
building
on
the
design.
We
see
positive
comments
from
both
the
council's
design
team
and
Leeds
Civic
Trust.
B
B
Let's
see
if
I
can
work,
the
pointer
well
I'm
having
difficulty
with
that,
but
the
the
amenity
space
is
just
to
the
just
to
the
west
of
the
of
the
building
vehicle
access
would
be
from
where
Railway
Street
to
the
north,
with
parking
set
set
alongside
the
energy
center
The
Proposal
includes
a
footpath
across
the
Green
Space
to
provide
a
north-south
link
for
residents
at
position
statement.
Member
views
were
sought
on
four
key
planning
issues.
B
I'll
first
address
the
loss
of
Green
Space
our
position
statement
panel
members
were
asked
whether
the
wider
planning
benefits
and
proposed
Green
Space
improvements,
Justified
the
loss
of
existing
Green
Space.
To
recap:
The
Wider
planning
benefit
was
the
100,
affordable
housing
provision
and
green
space
improvements,
included,
repairs
to
the
existing
footpath
along
the
northern
boundary
of
Saxton
Gardens,
and
an
installation
of
a
metal
rail
on
the
flax,
Place
Frontage,
an
11
000
pound
commuted
sum
to
be
spent
on
further
Green
Space
improvements
in
the
area.
B
Members
considered
that
the
above
did
justify
the
loss
of
green
space,
and
so
no
further
action
has
been
taken.
The
second
issue
around
was
around
pedestrian
connectivity,
our
position
statement.
It
was
reported
that
highways
team
objected
to
the
application
because
they
wanted
to
see
greater
levels
of
connectivity
and
specifically,
as
for
the
footpath
on
the
south
side
of
Railway
streets,
to
be
extended
to
the
junction
with
Eastfield
Street
I'll
just
have
another
go
to
see.
B
If
I
can
point
this
point
this
out,
it's
not
showing
anything,
but
you
can
see
the
footpath
along
the
south
of
Railway
Street
and
highways
we're
asking
for
that
to
be
extended
to
the
sort
of
northeast
corner.
B
So
panel
members
were
there
for
us
whether
they
agreed
that
further
connections
were
required
and
if
so,
whether
this
was
best
achieved
by
extending
the
footpath
in
line
with
highways
request
members
agreed
the
footpath
was
needed
and
stressed
that
it
should
be
an
integral
part
of
the
scheme.
Officers
have
held
further
discussions
with
the
applicant
and
they
have
agreed
to
the
footpath
extension.
B
B
The
council's
neighborhoods
for
living
SPD
advises
that
as
a
general
guide,
the
private
immediate
provision,
4
Flats,
should
comprise
a
minimum
area
of
25
of
the
total
gross
floor
area.
On
the
layout
plan,
the
amenity
space
for
the
upper
floors
only
equated
to
8.8
percent
of
the
total
growth
floor
area.
B
However,
officers
would
tell
this
wasn't
possible
due
to
costs
and
housing
management
safety
concerns.
When
asked
whether
the
proposed
private,
immediate
provision
was
acceptable,
member's
response
was
that
additional
efforts
should
be
made
to
look
at
the
design
and
provide
as
much
space
as
possible.
B
In
line
with
this,
the
private
amenity
provision
has
been
extended
with
a
revised
plan
showing
the
shared
out
now
representing
15.3
percent
of
the
total
gross
law
area.
This
has
been
achieved
by
reconfiguring
the
parking
which
has
included
removing
four
car
parking.
Bays
highways
team
have
confirmed
the
loss
of
parking
spaces
is
acceptable,
although
the
private
immunity
vision
is
still
under
the
recommended.
25
25
of
total
gross
floor
area
officers.
Consider
the
revised
scheme
does
offer
a
reasonable
level
of
shared
immunity.
B
Space
The
Proposal
also
allows
quick
and
easy
access
for
residents
into
the
adjoining
Green
Space
of
our
two
security
gates
located
to
the
South.
This
relationship
helps
to
provide
some
level
of
mitigation
for
not
achieving
the
25
immunity
space,
since
the
Green
Space
can
also
be
used
for
recreation
and
mean
immunity
purposes
that
require
more
space.
B
So
this
is,
as
you
can
see
here.
This
is
the
revised
layout
plan.
It's
showing
the
greater
levels
of
private
immunity,
space
plus
the
footpath
extension.
B
This
is
a
photo
just
shown
location
of
whether
the
new
footpath
would
run
to.
B
B
And
again,
this
was
a
3D
image
presented
last
time.
We
showed
that
smaller
area
of
a
mean
to
space
and
that's
been
updated,
and
this
is
the
the
revive
3D
image
showing
the
new
the
new
area
of
of
a
main
space.
B
B
The
application
only
proposes
five
three
bed
units
when
the
preferred
minimum
Target
is
11..
Members
were
asked
whether
the
proposed
housing
mix
was
acceptable.
Members
stated
that
the
proposal
should
include
additional
three
bed
flats
and
that
the
ground
floor
Flats
could
be
utilized
for
three
beds.
Further
discussions
have
taken
place,
however.
The
applicant
has
confirmed
that
the
proposed
mix
will
not
be
altered.
The
reason
cited
are
that
there
is
a
strong
demand
for
smaller
units
in
the
local
area.
B
B
The
applicant
has
submitted
data
to
demonstrate
that
the
proposal
would
still
be
addressing
a
demand
in
the
area,
even
though
they
are
not
achieving
the
preferred
housing
mix.
The
submitted
data
is
taken
from
Lee
City
council's
housing.
Growth
teams
demand
data
from
November
2019,
which
identifies
that
the
affordable
housing
requirement
for
Richmond
Hill
is
68
one
bed,
42
two-bed,
32,
three
bed,
nine
four
bed
and
one
five
bed
outside
of
these
four
planning
issues.
No
other
major
concerns
have
been
identified.
B
The
building
has
been
subject
to
wind
assessment
and
details
of
landscaping,
drainage
and
land
contamination
will
be
secured
by
condition.
It's
worth
noting
that,
although
the
position
statement
focused
on
the
poor
planning
issues
outlined
above
members
did
make
other
suggestions,
including
increasing
the
number
of
units
by
making
the
building
taller.
B
B
B
B
A
Oops,
thank
you.
John
I
will
be
inviting
the
we've
got.
The
a
couple
of
speakers,
one
against
and
one
four,
but
before
I
do
so,
can
I
remind
members
accordance
with
the
protocol
for
the
public.
Speaking
at
the
plans
panel,
members
of
The
public's
art
in
attendance
to
speak
to
the
panel
after
they
have
spoken
I
will
invite
members
of
the
panel
to
ask
questions
of
speakers
to
clarify
matters
of
fact,
and
these
questions
should
be
limited
to
Revlon
planning
issues.
A
I
will
then
invite
officers
to
clarify
any
matters
to
point
out
a
consideration
raised
in
this
discussion,
but
which
are
not
material
to
determine
the
application
when,
when
in
the
discussion,
but
which
are
not
material
to
sorry
already,
you
have
four
minutes
to
ask
any
questions
present
your
case
so
can
I
invite
the
objector
please
foreign.
C
Secondly,
I
feel
that
some
of
the
processes
that
are
used
by
Lucidity
Council
are
excluding
Community
views
from
the
planning
process.
It's
possible
for
a
proposal
to
go
a
very
long
way
before
the
community
is
able
to
give
an
initial
position
on
the
development
and
Community
ideas
only
get
listened
to
and
taken
on
board
if
there's
a
decision
maker
willing
to
listen
to
them.
C
A
Thank
you.
Any
questions.
A
My
take
yes,
no
thank
you
very
much.
Sir.
Can
I
now
invite
the
supporter
for
this.
This
application.
Please.
K
Good
afternoon
councilors
good
afternoon
chair,
my
name
is
Gareth
Jackson
from
Brewster
Architects,
We,
Are,
The,
Architects
of
the
scheme
and
sat
beside
me
is
Oliver
Corbett
who's.
The
planning
super
planning
consultant
on
the
scheme
as
well
he's
deputizing
for
Joanna
Chambers,
who,
who
is
the
client
representative?
Unfortunately,
she
can't
be
here
today.
We
are
here
really
to
answer
questions
that
you
have
regarding
the
application.
G
Thanks
chair,
it
may
be
you
guys.
It
may
also
be
officers
that
need
to
weigh
in
it
was
mentioned
in
the
opening
that
you
guys
don't
see
there
to
be
a
need
for
more
three
beds
in
the
area
because
of
they're
not
being
the
demand
now
I
guess
this
Housing
Association
usually
goes
into
the
housing.
The
leads
housing
bidding
system,
so
I'm
just
wondering
whether
you've
got
the
housing
lists
with
the
numbers
available
to
share.
G
K
Yes,
I
just
happen
to
have
that
very
information
here
in
front
of
me.
Yes,
there's
a
Distinction
on
the
demand
for
three
beds.
There
is
a
demand
for
three
beds
in
the
area,
but
what
the
bid
information
clearly
shows
us
is
the
demand
is
for
three
bed
houses
and
three
bed
maisonettes,
whereas
the
provision
here
is
three
bed
apartments
and
the
demand
for
three
bed
Apartments
is
actually
quite
low
in
the
area.
K
The
preference
is
for
houses
and
Laser
Nets
generally
as
families
who
want
you
know
a
bit
of
a
garden
or
you
know,
sort
of
the
connections
to
the
ground
that
you
would
normally
get
in
an
apartment
building.
So
in
terms
of
flats
now
this
is
this
is
purely
flat.
So
the
number
of
bits
per
property
permit
off
awards
for
21
to
22
according
to
housing
leads
so
there's
a
demand
for
327
one
bed,
Flats
157,
two
bed
flats
and
43
bed
Flats.
K
So
the
provision
given
that
this
is
in
the
apartment
building
effectively
reflects
that
and
if
anything
is
maybe
slightly
up
on
the
three
beds
in
proportion
to
the
to
the
two
and
the
ones.
But
we
take
your
point.
There
is
a
demand
for
three
bets.
However,
it
is
an
accommodation
site.
That's
not
been
provided
in
this
development.
F
It's
just
following
on
for
the
same
question
two
points.
This
is
right
on
the
border
between
three
Wards:
it's
on
the
border
between
burns
house
and
Richmond,
Hill
little
London,
Woodhouse
and
Huntsville
and
Riverside,
so
it's
rather
selective
to
use
one
word's
data,
and
so
why
is
that
the
case
that's
been
used?
And,
secondly,
don't
I
can
say
this
with
a
huge
amount
of
confidence
bearing
around
the
type
of
world
I
represent
families
do
moving
to
a
Flats
now,
particularly
in
around
the
city
center
area,
because
of
its
close
in
some
amenities
and
access.
F
L
I
just
come
in
on
that
one
yeah,
the
the
data
we've
got
is
is
that
there
is
across
the
board
just
a
lower
demand
for
multi-story
three-bed
apartments.
As,
as
we
sort
of
said
it
is
the
data
from
from
the
Ward
the
sites
in.
But
that's
that's.
The
data
we've
got
available
to
us
and
I
think
there
is
quite
a
significant
demand
for
one
and
two
beds
which
we
do
want
to
emphasize.
We
are
meeting
quite
a
lot
of
that
demanding
this
one
scheme.
L
F
Sorry,
that's
not
really
answering
my
question,
which
is:
why
have
you
selectively
chosen
the
burmatos
and
Richmond
Hill
information,
bearing
in
mind
that
this
is
on
the
border
of
three
Wards,
particularly
free
Wards,
which
have
a
high
level
of
deprivation
and
need
for
free
beds
for
families?
Why
have
you
selectively
Chosen
One
world's
a
data
and
not
looked
at
the
entire
picture
of
the
three
words.
K
Whilst
the
client
body
isn't
here
to
to
give
you
probably
more
comprehensive
answer
than
I,
can
my
understanding
is
that
the
consultation
in
terms
of
the
housing
mix
that
we
had
to
provide-
and
that
was
advised
was
by
housing,
growth
and
housing
leads
was
based
on
government
officers
as
whilst
you
say
it
is
on
the
border,
it
is
within
Burma
tovs
and
that's
that's
the
data
we've
been
given.
That's
the
data
they
work
to
you
know
there
may
be
a
question
to
ask
Beyond
this
meeting
to
to
others.
F
G
Thanks
again,.
G
I
get
split
between,
therefore
private
gardened,
how
many
private
Garden
three-bedroom
properties
are
there,
and
if
we're
looking
at
people
who
aren't
as
interested
or
there's
less
uptake
for
three
beds,
that
don't
have
a
private
Garden,
then
what
we're
actually
looking
at.
G
There
is
two
separate
sorts
of
three
bed
properties,
because
you've
got
some
with
a
garden
some
without
so
actually
the
idea
will
be,
though,
those
with
three
beds
in
a
private
Garden
will
kind
of
come
on
to
the
ones
that
the
data
you've
just
given
us
doesn't
cover
because
they'll
be
the
ones
where
they
they
would
just
as
easily
be
in-house
as
an
apartment
type
situation,
because
they've
got
the
amenities
you've
mentioned.
So
actually,
if
we're
using
the
data
that
says
it's
only
the
flats
and
there
aren't
very
many
people
that
use
three
bedroom
Flats.
G
Therefore,
we
should
only
be
doing
like
for
like
so
therefore,
your
housing
mix
of
your
three
bedrooms
actually
is
kind
of
two
sets,
and
we
need
to
be
looking
at
the
statistics
of
that,
because
there'd
therefore
be
less.
That
would
play
into
that
40
three-bedroom
Flats
than
the
whole
lot.
I
guess
for
me:
I
I
get
an
awful
lot
of
I'm,
not
in
Birmingham
Richmond
Hill,
but
I
get
an
awful
lot
for
three
bedroom
flats
and
that's
only
getting
worse
and
I.
G
Don't
think
that
personally,
I
really
struggle
with
the
idea
of
putting
something
through
that
is
not
going
to
meet
the
needs
of
those
people.
That,
in
my
opinion
at
the
moment,
are
most
at
risk.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
it
as
a
question
is
so
that
you
guys
have
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
dissect
that
a
little
bit
for
me
rather
than
me
just
stating
it
and
it
moving
on.
Thank
you.
E
K
Certainly,
like
I,
say,
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
it.
The
client
body
would
be
better
served
to.
So
you
know
to
give
the
deaf
the
reasoning
behind
the
mix
towards
the
original
question.
There
are
five
three
beds
proposed
here,
one
of
which
will
have
an
external
Garden.
There
were
a
number
of
two
beds
that
will
have
an
external
Garden
as
well.
K
In
the
previous
meeting
we
did,
we
were
asked
to
look
at
whether
we
could
get
more
three
beds
up
the
ground
floor
to
make
benefit
of
that
space,
so
as
an
exercise
as
we
did
undertake.
But
what
we
found
was
in
the
nature
of
the
building.
The
constrained
nature
of
their
site
is,
as
we
were,
putting
three
beds
in
the
ground
floor.
We
were
displacing
other
flats,
so
basically
for
every
two
three
beds
we
provided
at
ground
floor
we'd
lose
them
on
bed
flux
effectively.
K
What
we
had
to
do
was
split
one
bed
into
half
and
give
each
half
to
two
beds
out
the
side
so
and
if
we
did
that
on
both
sides,
we
were
losing
Two
Flats
and
this
scheme
just
doesn't
Stack
Up,
financially
it's
marginal
in
terms
of
viability.
Now,
but
doing
that
and
effective
increasing
the
number
of
three
beds
in
the
scheme.
Whilst
it
would
meet
that
it
would,
it
wouldn't
be
viable.
Unfortunately,
you
know
the
rental
loss
in
loss
of
two
bed.
You
know
two
one-bed
apartments.
D
Thank
you.
I
just
wondered
what
your
response
would
be
to
the
resident
who
spoke
earlier.
Who's
obviously
got
kind
of
local
knowledge
and
a
spokes
a
lot
of
people
in
the
area
about
whether
there
is
scope
to
provide
any
space
for
the
community.
So
just
what
your
response
to
him
would
be
in
a
and
then
just
a
simple
question
of
how
many
parking
spaces
are
left
if
that's
what's
been
lost
for.
Obviously
it's
great
that
there's
more
communal
Garden,
but
how
many
parking
spaces
are
left.
L
Yes,
so
the
you
know
the
site
is,
is
allocated
for
for
Housing,
Development
and
and
that's
what's
being
brought
forwards.
The
the
problem
we've
got
is
there
isn't
a
requirement
to
deliver
a
community
facility
on
this
site?
You
know
we
do
acknowledge.
There
was
a
facility
there,
but
it's
it's
been
gone
for
a
number
of
years
and
to
to
viably
deliver
that
on
this
site
it
you
know
it
would
mean
losing
the
provision
of
affordable
housing
on
a
site,
that's
appropriate
for
it.
L
It
does
contribute
to
improvements
of
the
play
area
to
the
east
of
the
site,
but
in
terms
of
delivering
additional
facilities.
It's
it's
not
something
that
again
Stacks
up
really
with
a
quite
a
marginal
site
where
the
the
real
m
is
delivering
that
100,
affordable
and
meeting
that
demand
and
I'll
just
hand
over
on
the
parking
question.
K
Thank
you
in
terms
of
parking
across
the
site.
We
now
have
18
car
parking
spaces,
two
of
which
are
to
the
full
BS
8300
accessible
parking
base
for
the
m43
flat
and
one
of
the
m42
flats.
There
are
two
motorcycle
Bays
on
the
site.
There
are
58
cycle,
we've
got
a
cycle
for
58
Cycles
effectively
within
the
building,
and
we
also
have
four
visitor
cycle
spaces
outside
and
they're
covered
as
well.
D
Thank
you
I
happen
to
be
subbing
the
last
time
this
was
brought
before
us
as
well.
So
it's
quite
quite
fortuitous
for
me,
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
three-bed
requirement
and
I
asked
the
question:
could
you
lay
the
ground
floor
out,
put
a
slab
and
then
build
up
from
that
slab,
so
I'd
like
to
know
the
answer
to
that
one,
please,
because
I
believe
it
got
put
in
the
too
difficult
box.
D
I'd
also
like
to
know
what
rent
you'll
be
charging
for
the
one
bed,
the
two
bed
and
the
three
bed.
Please
ballpark's
fine,
but
I
just
want
to
see
what
the
differential
is,
because
my
suspicion
is
that
the
three
beds
aren't
viable
for
you,
because
they
aren't
going
to
be
that
much
higher
and
I.
Think
that's
possibly
why
you've
gone
down
the
one
and
two
bed
route.
D
D
So
I,
just
like
your
thoughts
on
that.
Please
thank
you.
K
Thank
you
counselor
again,
like
I,
say
you
know,
we
looked
at
introducing
more
three
beds
at
ground
floor
we've
also.
You
know
on
separately
to
the
scheme
and
on
this
scheme
as
well.
You
know:
we've
looked
at
the
possibility
of
putting
all
the
three
bets
at
ground
floor
and
then
having
a
different
layout
above
and
what
that
I
mean.
Technically
what
that
requires.
K
Is
you
put
a
transfer
slab
in
because
you
have
a
completely
different
structural
regime,
a
ground
floor
to
what
you
have
at
first
floor
and
above
and
that's
fine
if
you're
doing
a
20-story
building,
because
transfer
slabs
are
expensive
to
do
they're
big
pieces
of
construction
they're
a
meter
thick
solid,
concrete,
and
would
you
do
it
on?
K
You
know
if
this
is
an
18-story
building,
probably
think
of
doing
it,
but
it's
a
five-story
building
the
economies
of
scale
just
aren't
there
to
do
it,
unfortunately,
but
also,
if
we're
adding
a
meter
to
to
the
height
of
the
building
which
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
get
the
accommodation
of
ground
floor,
then
we've
got
to
meet
it
and
then
we've
got
to
get
the
accommodation.
Above
you
know
we're
pushing
everything
up
and
meeting
we're
already
constrained
at
the
height
of
the
building
because
of
a
because
of
via
regulations.
K
If
we
go
start
going
over
18
meters,
then
we're
looking
at
a
different
fire
regime,
But,
ultimately
as
well
we're
pushing
ourselves
within
the
the
the
plume
modeling,
the
plume
for
the
for
the
the
energy
center
chimney
as
well.
So
we're
just
starting
to
push
ourselves
into
intimate
margin
that
we'd
rather
not
be
in
they
just
there's
other
mitigations
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
the
cost
of
a
transfer
slab.
K
We
think
unbalanced,
given
the
size
of
the
scheme.
Given
the
accommodation
give
the
marginality
of
the
viability
of
the
scheme,
then
that
kind
of
measure
doesn't
really
pay
for
itself
and
it's
you
know,
and
it's
a
big
difference
it
you
know
it
it.
You
know
it
changes.
The
design
changes
the
mix.
It
still
makes
it
viable
because
we're
putting
our
three
beds
downstairs,
and
you
know
we
can't
and
we're
therefore
losing
Flats
in
order
to
do
that
as
well.
K
So,
on
balance,
given
the
size
of
the
building
and
just
looking
at
it
holistically
effectively,
it
doesn't
seem
a
measure
that
we
would
feel
would
be
beneficial
to
the
scheme.
Overall,
whilst
the
intentional
is
clear,
I
think
that
and
Ally
to
the
fact
as
well,
that
we
feel
that
the
mix,
and
rather
the
client
feels
that
the
mix
represents
what
we
get
in
terms
of
bids
for
the
area
that
were
mentioned
earlier.
K
Then
I
think
on
balance
that
what
we
have
what
we
have
is
probably
closer
to
what's
achievable
if
I
can
also
address
the
rental
question
on
rents,
as
well:
I'm,
probably
not
best
qualified
to
answer
in
terms
of
the
income
that
would
need
to
come
from
the
client
part
of
themselves.
But
our
understanding
is
that
yes,
there's
a
marginal
increase
in
the
rent
received
from
the
three
bed
two
to
one
bed
or
a
two
bed,
but
I
couldn't
tell
you
what
that
was
to
properly
answer
your
question
so
well!
D
Thank
you
regarding
the
the
plume
issue.
I
think
we
discussed
this
last
time
as
well
and
I
think
it
was
more.
You
didn't
want
to
go
any
higher
rather
than
anything
else,
because
we
discussed
that
the
blue,
you
know
the
plume,
the
wind
changes,
so
the
plume
could
be
in
any
direction
and
immediately
behind
is
another
taller
building.
So
a
kind
of
disregard
that
actually
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
you
you've
put
it
back
in
the
two
difficult
box.
K
I
think
we
responded
as
best
as
we
can
really
to
to
that
question.
You
know
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
more
to
say:
I
mean
you
know.
If
you
we
could
talk
about
the
blue
modeling,
we
we've
studied
it.
We've
had
to
study
it.
You
know
it
demonstrates
too,
is
that
the
building
is
downwind.
It's
down.
K
A
Thank
you,
I
can't
see
anyone
else
showing
we
wish
to
ask
any
more
questions.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
again
now
any
questions
for
the
officers
Council
Ray.
F
I
think
I
already
told
them
in
advance.
I
want
to
know
why
we
we've
accepted
a
model
based
on
one
word:
well,
it's
on
the
edge
of
three
Wards
and
his
colleagues
have
said.
Actually
the
bidding
system
unless
there's
a
local
plan
requirement
in
it,
it's
city-wide
and
there
is
significant
demand.
All
of
us
are
getting
demands
for
free
bed
properties,
for
families
or
of
adults
who
are
caring
for
other
adults
Etc.
B
Agreed
I
mean
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
officers
aren't
making
a
recommendation
based
on
the
fact
that
the
applicant
has
satisfactionally
demonstrated
to
us
that
there
isn't
a
demand
for
three
bed,
Flats
I
think
actually
deliberately
the
report
doesn't
refer
to
to
house
type.
We
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
demand
for
three
beds
in
the
area
and
as
well
as
demand
for
one
and
two
beds,
I
think
the
question
is
for
officers.
B
It
was
a
case
of
the
planning
balance
and
whether
the
fact
that
it's
all
affordable
outweighs
the
fact
that
they're
under
providing
on
three
beds
so
I
I,
I
I
it
what
it
didn't
form
part
of
the
assessment.
That's
not
the
justification
for
for
approving.
This
is
a
question
of
planning
balance.
F
So
this
is
a
follow-up
question
and
it's
been
canceled
before
raised
this
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
the
plume
and
I
appreciate
those
obviously
a
prevailing
wind
direction
for
most
of
the
time.
Obviously,
the
surrounding
buildings
have
made
an
assessment,
because
they're
much
higher
they're,
not
exactly
a
million
miles
away
from
the
potential
wind
direction
and
I
think
we
made
quite
clear
at
this
last
panel
that
we
thought
this
site
was
actually
being
underdeveloped.
So
what
were
the
conversations
around
that?
F
Because
this
site
can
clearly
take
more
and
for
completely
understandable
reasons
for
the
developer,
because
they
don't
want
to
get
into
the
enhanced
fire
regulations
of
buildings
above
18
meters?
We're
basically
saying
go
for
a
smaller
building,
because
it's
easier
for
you,
rather
than
supplying
the
demand
of
the
the
intensity
that
this
site
can
take,
which
we
probably
wouldn't
do
on
other
sites.
So
why
is
the
planning
Authority
seem
comfortable
to
have
this
site
underdeveloped
when
it
can
quite
clearly
take
more.
B
Yeah
we
did
have
those
discussions
I
understand.
If
they
were
to
build
tall,
it
could
be
done.
Of
course
it
could
be
done,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
greater
level
of
mitigation,
I,
think
the
non-opening
windows
and
and
expensive
ventilation
system,
I,
I,
think
for
officers
again
there
was
no
policy
requirement
for
them
to
go
taller.
I
mean
this
is
the
the
scheme
that's
been
presented
to
officers
and
although
we've
we've
asked
them
to
consider
providing
more
units
and
going
taller,
they
were.
B
They
were
adamant
that
that's
something
that
they
wouldn't
consider.
So
again
it
was.
It
was
the
the
planning
balance
and
and
yeah,
which
is
why
officers
came
to
the
view
that,
because
it's
100
affordable,
we
would
still
support
the
scheme.
F
So
one
final
question:
I'd,
like
a
legal
opinion,
then
in
regards
to
this
in
terms
of
our
determination
as
a
panel,
if
we
feel
a
site
is
under
been
underdeveloped,
do
we
have
scope
under
planning,
regulations
and
law
to
actually
say?
Actually,
we
think
there
should
be
more
here
in.
Therefore
we
don't
want
to
give.
We
give
we,
as
suppose
we
consent
in
principle
to
the
site
being
developed,
but
we
don't
believe
this
is
the
right
plan
for
the
site.
Do
we
have
scope
to
do
that
as
members
on
this
panel.
D
So
the
print
principle
of
the
site
being
developed
for
residential
is
already
really
established
anyway.
So
that
is
before
you,
but
you
are
determining
just
this
application
and
the
proposal
that
the
applicant
is
bringing
and
it
really
does
go
beyond
the
scope
of
what
even
an
officer
could
propose
a
condition
for
to
deal
with
that
that
you
think
there
needs
to
be
more
units,
because
that
would
change
the
nature
of
the
application
being
determined
entirely.
And
it's
not
what's
before
panel
today.
A
G
Thank
you
in
terms
of
so
obviously
taking
into
consideration
the
fact
that
it's
100
affordable.
Do
we
keep
a
note
or
keep
a
log
of
the
number
of
units
of
three
bed
in
a
wider
area?
I'm
thinking
is
there
some
affordable
stuff
gone
through
that
kind
of
compensates
for
it?
That
has
a
lack
of
one
and
two
beds.
That
kind
like
on
a
wider
city-wide
level
equals
it
out
to
meet
policy,
or
is
that
not
something
we
actually
check?
Obviously
I'm
new
to
panel,
so
I
might
just
be
wrong.
C
Hi
I'll
just
try
and
help
there
I
think
what,
as
the
team
leader
for
the
East
area,
obviously
we
go
out
in
wedges
so
deal
with
lots
of
planning
applications
for
from
the
volume
house,
builders
and
the
presentation
you're
going
to
receive
after
this
is
is
another
example
for
the
middle
quadrant.
C
What
you
do
find
really
on
with
the
volume
house,
builders
in
particular,
and
they
tend
to
deliver
lots
of
houses
and
not
many
flats
So.
Within
that
context,
proportionally
on
those
other
sites,
you
tend
to
get
significantly
less
flats
and
by
default
you
get
lots
of
two
and
three
bed
units
in
terms
of
affordable
provision.
G
Chair
but
there
from
what
I
can
gather,
they
are
different
in
that
affordable
doesn't
mean
social
rent,
and
these
are
specifically
social
rent.
Affordable
is
just
15
less
than
market
value.
Isn't
it.
C
I
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
I
can't
find
the
right
paragraph.
Is
this
an
allocated
site
in
the
sap
and,
if
so,
how
many
units
was
it
allocated
for
I
should
know
that,
but-
and
the
second
question
was
in
terms
of
the
reasons
for
approval
or
refusal,
I
think
the
report
acknowledges
that
the
housing
mix
proposed
does
not
meet
the
policy
requirements.
So,
if
panel
determined
today
that
we
would
we're
going
to
refuse
this
based,
certainly
on
that,
would
that
be
a
defensible
position
subject
to
an
appeal.
B
Yeah
on
your
first
question:
it's
not
a
housing
allocation
within
the
within
the
surf
and
on
the
second
question
it
doesn't
conform
with
the
preferred
housing
mix,
but
that
the
table
that
I
showed
that
I
brought
up
in
in
the
presentation
is
taken
from
the
course
strategy
and
that's
that's
table
H4,
but
that
doesn't
form
part.
That's
not
actually
part
of
the
of
the
policy
itself,
so
I
think
it's.
The
policy
is
deliberately
worded
to
offer
flexibility,
so
these
are
preferred
targets.
J
Yes,
yeah
just
going
to
council
Stevenson's
point
about
defensibility
at
appeal.
Of
course,
you
know
an
inspector
will
will
look
at
this
we'll
look
at
this
in
the
round
and,
yes,
there
is
a
a
short
for
against
a
housing
mixed
policy
and
the
three
the
three
bed
provision,
but
when
you
look
at
it
and
around
also,
the
inspects
would
have
regards
the
fact
that
this
is
100,
affordable
housing
scheme,
and
that
would
be
a
big
benefit.
J
That
benefits
added
to
the
fact
that
it's
social
rented,
which
is
as
I,
understand
the
most
affordable
or
the
affordable
categories
of
housing.
So
they're
big
pluses
for
it
complies
with
other
policies
such
as
space
standards.
Internal
space
standards
exceeds
requirements
in
terms
of
h10,
accessible
housing.
All
of
these
units,
one
Thirty,
just
30
percent-
are
accessible
units
exceeds
our
requirements
also
in
respect
of
En
policies,
but
that's
partly
a
product.
What
they're
proposing,
also
partly
a
product
of
revised
building
regulations.
J
F
Bearing
in
mind
that
this
is
social
housing-
and
this
is
obviously
going
to
go
into
our
bidding
system
and
bear
in
Mind
by
the
sounds
of
it-
we're
in
a
corner
we're
often
quite
clear
as
a
panel-
we're
not
happy
at
the
mix.
I
think,
let's
be
really
clear,
but
you've
painted
a
picture
that
was
stuck
in
a
corner,
and
that
is
what
it
is.
Are
we
able
to
add
some
form
of
condition
which
basically
says
that
the
council
has
the
ability
to
nominate
people
who
are
in
oversized
properties?
F
Let's
say
someone's
lost
partner,
it's
a
three
bedroom
properties,
one
person
and
actually
have
preference
of
nomination
so
that
we
can
try
and
free
up
space
within
some
of
those
under
occupied
properties
on
our
books
to
get
them
into
these
one
bed
Flats,
which
apparently
says
a
huge
demand
for
I,
would
question
that
quite
sincerely
in
the
social,
rented
Market
to
be
absolutely
honest,
but
to
actually
try
and
free
up
some
of
the
system
elsewhere,
because
I
think
the
problem
we're
all
facing
at
the
moment
is
actually.
There
is
a
demand
for
three
beds.
F
We
know.
There's
lots
of
people
stuck
in
three
beds
that
we
can't
get
into
one
beds.
I
know,
certainly
from
my
world
who
boils
onto
this
there's
a
massive
demand
for
older
people
going
into
flat
in
the
city
center,
because
it's
near
amenities
and
services.
So
is
there
an
actual?
Do
we
have
some
form
of
condition
or
option
where
we
can
actually
have
preference
on
moving
people
through
to
these
properties
via
the
bidding
system
on
this
development.
J
A
I
think
most
of
the
questions
were
comments
during
your
especially
from
councilor,
Paul
Ray,
but
absolutely
understand
where
it
comes
from.
Paul
Ryan
comes
from
Italy
and
the
rest
of
the
colleagues
are
coming
from.
We
do
need
three
bedroom
houses
in
the
city,
but,
however,
we
are
also
shortage
of
one
and
two
bedroom
houses
and
the
flats
in
the
city
too.
So
sorry,
Council,
Stevenson,.
I
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
make
the
comment
that
we
think
we
did
this
just
this
last
time
in
terms
of
some
mitigations,
but
but
for
me,
having
heard
the
answers
today,
I
think
the
balance
in
my
mind
would
be
if
we
are
to
refuse
this
today
on
the
grounds
that
we
do
want
more
three
bit
Etc.
Then
the
applicants
likely
to
appeal
and
I
suspect
that
the
the
answer
that
appeal
will
not
be
enough
ever
and
it
in
in
some
respects.
I
It's
not
the
applicant's
fault
that
the
council's
policies
aren't
robust
enough
to
deliver
what
we
either
as
Ward
members
want,
and
that's
probably
something
we
need
to
take
up
in
further
policy
reviews.
I
There
is
a
thought
that
if
we
ask
for
three
bedroom
or
if
we
asked
for
to
be
taller
Etc
and
refused
on
that
basis,
that
they
might
come
back
with
something
like
that,
but
in
the
housing
crisis
we're
looking
at
at
present,
I'm
not
sure
I
would
wish
to
have
my
name
attached
to
refusing
the
opportunity
to
deliver
more
social
housing
in
an
area
where
there
is
need
so
on
in
the
round
and
on
that
balance,
chair
I
think
we've
heard
what
we
need
to
hear
and
unfortunately
we
can't
go
any
further
with
it,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
review
of
policy
on
it.
F
No
I,
don't
really
say
this,
but
I
agree
with
Council
Stevenson
I
think
we
are
where
we
are,
but
I
think
there
is
a
real
question
for
development
plans
panel
and
for
the
chairs
are
about
action,
and
the
offices
are
about
the
robustness
of
some
of
these
policies
to
have
something
that
we,
by
definition
basically
been
said,
has
wriggle
room
in
it.
A
I
mean
in
in
real
life
I
mean
we
all
want
to
see
three
bedroom
four
bedroom
houses
in
in
our
in
our
part
of
the
city,
but
unfortunately,
where
we
are
where
we
are.
But
the
last
thing
I
would
say
that
I
represent
award,
which
has
too
many
blocks
and
too
many
apartments
in
the
city,
center,
London,
Hyde,
Park
and
surrounding
areas
and
I.
Something
don't
appreciate.
A
17
stories
hide
buildings,
because
the
residents
that
I
represent
I
mean
hardly
I
I
mean
most
of
the
people
who
are
living
in
a
three-bedroom
Flats
in
in
our
our
part
of
the
world.
They
want
to
see
the
young
families
moving
into
the
houses
where
there
are
Gardens
and
the
kids
can
have
an
easy
life.
I
mean
those
blocks
were
the
blocks
that
we
have
in
in
our
world.
A
You
know
newly
wed
couple
moved
into
these
two
bedroom
flats
and
now
they've
got
five
or
four
children's
because
of
the
shortage
of
properties
in
the
city.
They
are
stuck
on
15
story,
high
building,
so
something
I
I
mean
at
the
at
the
beginning.
When
you
were
asking
these
questions,
it
was
running
through
my
mind.
You
know
not:
every
family
wished
to
be
on
the
15th
story.
A
High
building,
then
they've
got
three
or
five
seven-year-old
kids,
you
know
so
on
on
the
basis
is,
does
anybody
wants
to
move
if
there
aren't
any
comments.
D
A
J
I
just
just
formally
confirmed
and
that
members
of
resolved
to
defer
a
delegate
approval
of
the
application
to
Chief
planning
officer,
subject
to
the
prior
completion
of
legal
agreement
and
the
conditions
which
are
set
out
on
pages
17
and
18
of
the
report.
A
I'll
be
with
someone,
but
we
don't
have
any
anyone
speaking
against
it,
but
we,
however,
we've
got
someone
speaking
in
favor
of
this
application,
but
can
I
just
remind
members
just
stick
to
the
planning
questions.
Please
so
can
I
ask
the?
Oh
sorry,
sorry.
M
M
It's
an
outline
application
for
925
dwellings,
including
means
of
primary
access,
Central,
spine
Road
and
Associated
infrastructure
Works,
which
include
a
community
Hub
facility,
including
Primary
School
convenience
store
Health
provision
on
land
within
the
the
southern
quadrant,
so
just
in
terms
of
a
bit
of
background
and
I
think
some
of
you've
probably
seen
this
slide
before
it's
an
extract
from
the
policies
map
in
the
development
plan
and
essentially
the
hopefully,
this
works
okay.
So
the
orange
area
you
see
on
the
plant
is
the
eastleigh's
extension
housing
allocation.
M
It's
the
specific
part
that
we're
looking
at
is
the
is
the
southern
area
to
the
south
of
Leeds
Road
between
there
and
manston
Lane
and
bounded
by
elar
to
the
east,
which
we
obviously
drove
along
this
morning.
So
essentially,
it
fills
in
that
area
of
land
between
ELO
and
the
existing
main
urban
area
to
the
east
of
elore
is
land
falling
within
the
green
belts
and
then
beyond
that
the
village
of
skulls
separated
from
it
by
the
Strategic
Gap.
M
In
that
area
of
Greenbelt,
where,
on
this
plans,
you
can
actually
also,
hopefully
see
some
other
wider
contacts,
the
air
of
pink
to
the
South
is
the
thought
part
employment
allocation,
which
also
now
includes
the
Springs
retail
Park.
So
just
a
bit
of
geography
in
terms
of
context
and
then
to
the
West.
The
blue
areas,
Crossgates
local
Center
and
to
the
north,
is
a
seacroft
local
Center.
M
So
in
terms
of
the
various
quadrants
and
apologies,
the
slide
slightly
contorted,
there
are
four
quadrants
forming
the
eastley's
extension
and
previously
I
think
it
was
back
in
June.
I
brought
a
position
statement
on
the
red
Hull,
the
red
Hall
area
of
red
Hall
site
beyond
that
between
Weatherby
Road
and
York.
M
I've
started
off
with
this
aerial
photograph
and
to
give
a
bit
of
context.
Hopefully,
it
shows
e-law
on
there
to
the
east
and
then
the
area
of
the
site,
as
we
saw
on
site
this
morning,
it's
essentially
largely
arable
Fields,
with
some
areas
of
trees,
particularly
around
the
edges,
along
the
back
on
the
western
side
of
the
site
and
if
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
and
also
along
the
area
covered
by
a
scheduled
Monument,
which
is
which
relates
to
the
former
Barn
bow
Munitions
plant
I've
gone
into
the
area
in
a
bit
more
details.
M
I
hope
that
it's
a
bit
clearer
given
the
scale
of
the
the
site,
so
the
Northern
end
is
Leeds
Road,
going
up
to
e-law
this
meeting
approach,
coming
down
to
John,
Smith
and
Academy
secondary
school,
and
then
this
area,
the
green
area
with
the
playing
pitch,
is
platforms,
part
of
the
the
housing
allocation
and
part
of
the
application
site.
As
does
this
area
of
cloud
feel
to
the
east
I
mentioned
on
the
site
visit
this
morning.
These
are
the
the
John's
meat
and
playing
pitches.
M
They
are
one
which
is
owned
by
the
city
council,
subject
to
a
current
or
separately
a
common
planning
application,
as
I've
referred
to
in
the
report,
to
relocate
two
of
those
pictures
to
win
mark
range
and
the
third
pitch
would
be
retained
within
a
primary
school
on
site
in
this
location.
But
I'll
come
back
to
that
point,
perhaps
a
bit
later
on
so
moving
further
south
we've
then
got
again
the
secondary
school,
but
then
also
John
Smithton,
Leisure
Center,
which
has
a
variety
of
facilities
there.
M
There
is
a
connection
through
orbit,
what's
essentially
a
plank
of
wood,
so
that's
a
connection
that
would
seek
to
get
improved
off
the
back
of
the
development
and
they're
moving
south,
where
they're
moving
to
the
residential
areas
to
the
west
and
the
site
boundary
following
the
route
of
cockbeck.
You
can
see
here.
M
So
coming
further
south
again,
the
public
rights
of
way
that
we
walked
is
on
this
western
side
of
the
site,
adjacent
to
the
the
peppers
field,
development
to
the
West
and
there's
the
San
Luis
way
industrial
estate
to
the
West,
which
is
where
we
we
stopped
and
crossed
into
the
site.
M
You'll
note
this
area,
of
course,
I'm
just
pointing
to
here
with
the
trees
and
vegetation,
that's
the
roots
of
the
scheduled
Monument,
which
then
basically
curves
around
southwards,
towards
manston
Lane.
Other
things
to
point
out.
There
are
some
existing
buildings
and
uses
along
Manson
Lane,
largely
unaffected.
Although
there
is
the
the
great
two
listed
doveco
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site,
I
can
get
the
arrow
to
work
and
then
in
the
Southeast
Southeastern
area,
lasancroft
Farm,
which
is
the
white
rendered
building,
is
also
grade.
M
Two
listed
and
I've
referred
to
them
in
the
reports,
as
as
key
points
at
manston,
Lane
obviously
has
been
slightly
rerouted
to
accommodate
eel
or
to
the
South,
but
there
is
an
access
in
which
serves
leaves
and
Croft
Farm.
M
So
just
on
that
point,
this
is
a
photograph
that's
taken
from
the
Eloy
Junction
looking
towards
ladies
and
Croft
farm
and
there's
a
retaining
wall
which
holds
back
the
field
behind
the
level
of
the
field
is
actually
lower
than
the
top
of
the
wall,
but
it's
still
slightly
elevated
you're.
Not
in
the
report.
There
was
a
a
comment
made
by
conservation
colleagues
in
relation
to
the
impact
of
development
on
that
listed
building.
It's
worth
just
noting
the
application
site
boundary
is
actually
slightly
away
from
that
wall.
M
It's
slightly
further
north,
so
the
wall
isn't
the
boundary
and
the
area
of
land.
The
strip
of
land
just
beyond
the
wall
is
actually
within
the
ownership
of
lazincroft
farm,
but
the
general
point
is
around
relationships,
building,
Heights
and
so
on,
which
will
perhaps
come
back
back
to
on
the
on
the
master
plan.
M
So
moving
on,
we
talked
a
little
bit
on
site
this
morning.
Around
local
facilities
in
the
local
area
and
I
did
mention
that
there
is
a
plan.
Now
you
I
suspect
you
can't
read
the
dots,
so
I
have
got
a
copy
of
it
here
in
front
of
me
and
essentially
immediately
to
the
west
of
the
site
that
blue
dot
is
the
John
smeaton
high
school
and
then
the
the
move
dot
to
the
South
and
the
brown
dot
are
the
the
gym
and
Leisure
Center
at
Johns
meeting
Leisure
Center
further
west.
M
We
then
have
a
variety
of
dots.
The
blues
are
primary
schools,
so
they
include
manston
James,
Primary,
School,
Primary,
Academy,
manston,
primary
school
and
Saint
Teresa's,
Catholic,
Primary,
School
and,
as
you'd
expect,
there's
a
cluster
of
dots
around
Crossgates
local
Center,
indicating
various
retail
facilities,
pubs,
bars,
pharmacies
and
so
on.
M
This
is
a
plan
that
was
prepared
for
both
the
middle
and
southern
quadrant
applications,
which
shows
existing
rights
of
way
and
potential
connections,
and
that's
really
to
show
how
all
your
commit
the
the
new
development
into
the
existing
make
those
connections
and
provide
access
to
existing
facilities,
including
ELO
in
terms
of
constraints
on
development,
as
with
the
middle
quadrant
back
forms
a
western
boundary,
which
then
also
runs
through
the
center
of
the
site,
and
so
there
are
flood
risk
zones
associated
with
that
which
are
avoided
by
development.
M
But
clearly
they
are
a
constraint.
I
mentioned
also
the
scheduled
Monument.
Sorry,
the
pink
hatched
areas
is
essentially
the
application
sites.
Obviously,
e-law
sits
to
the
to
the
east
of
that
and
the
dark
green
is
the
scheduled
Monument.
So
again
that
follows
that
Arc
of
of
bland,
which
has
become
treed
over
the
passage
of
time
and
the
gain
is,
is
avoided
by
development.
M
M
All
the
way
through
the
development
down
to
Leeds
Road
and
that
spine
rate
will
accommodate
and
or
it'll,
be
a
capable
of
taking
buses
to
be
designed
as
a
as
a
road
watches,
which
is
wide
enough
to
accommodate
buses
and
also
has
segregated
cycleways
and
would
be
tree-lined
as
well
with
with
verges.
M
In
addition
to
that,
I've
included
this
slide
to
then
show
how
the
development
overlays
with
existing
green
infrastructure
and
proposed
green
spaces.
So
the
the
dark
Greens
on
here
are
the
are
the
naturalized
areas
so,
as
you'd
expect,
it
incorporates
those
existing
trees
and
naturalized
areas
to
the
back
boundary.
M
So
I
talked
to
the
rest
of
the
sites
and
through
the
center
of
the
site,
and
also
the
area
for
the
scheduled
monuments.
The
moves
are
then
the
more
formal,
green
spaces
and
you'll
note
that
there's
three
equipped
play
areas,
and
this
follows
the
same
principles
as
on
the
middle
quadrant.
M
So,
although
the
outlet
the
application
is
in
outline
as
I
explained
this
morning,
the
developers
have
looked
at
what
the
capacity
of
the
site
is,
and
so
they
have
worked
up
into
quite
a
bit
of
detail
around
streets
and
developable
spaces.
Having
excluded
all
of
those
parts
of
the
site
which
are
not
developable
for
various
reasons,
not
least
because
they're,
a
significant
and
section
106
asks
on
the
development,
particularly
in
terms
of
the
contributions
towards
e-law
and
all
of
the
other
usual
contributions
in
terms
of
public
transport
and
affordable
housing
and
so
on.
M
So
I
thought
it
was
helpful
to
just
include
a
bit
of
that
detail
in
terms
of
potential
future
development.
So
you
can
see
from
here.
We
see
the
spine
rate
in
the
purple
coming
through
the
site
and
then
a
number
of
then
primary
streets
which
are
set
essentially
lead
to
other,
more
minor
streets.
And
but
essentially
there
are
a
series
of
connected
Loops
working
through
the
site
and
in
terms
of
density
as
you'd
expect.
M
The
areas
along
spine
Road
are
likely
to
be
the
the
denser
areas
of
development,
so
higher
density
is
there
working
down
to
medium
densities,
to
the
east
and
west
of
the
spine
mode,
with
areas
of
lowest
density
development
on
the
sorry
adjacent
to
back,
and
then
this
slide
then
goes
into
building
Heights
and
indicates
areas
of
two
to
four
story:
development
potential
at
Key
gateway
locations
so
in
the
north,
adjacent
to
the
local
Center
around
the
bridge.
M
Over
back
where
the
spine
Road
would
cross
there,
and
at
that
point
in
the
in
the
South
and
then
again,
working
down
to
two
to
three
story:
development
along
the
spine,
Road
and
two
story:
development
elsewhere.
M
So
bringing
all
of
those
things
together
results
in
the
the
master
plan.
I
should
note.
Apologies,
there's
a
slight
deviation
from
the
slides
that
we
have
in
your
packs-
and
there
was
a
slightly
older
master
plan-
was
all
that
as
in
from
earlier
in
the
week.
So
this
is
from
the
other
day
which
I've
just
included
in
the
in
the
presentation.
M
Now,
essentially,
it
shows
mostly
the
same
things
and
the
key
difference
is
it's
hopefully
slightly
crisper
and
also
indicates
these
rights
of
way
in
the
red
dashed
lines
and
also
shows
elore
to
the
east,
because
that's
an
important
component
in
terms
of
and
what
now
existing
cycle
and
pedestrian
infrastructure.
M
So
this
hopefully
shows
how
all
of
those
elements
tie
in
if
I
then
move
on
I'll
seek
to
just
go
so
briefly
through
the
master
plan
in
a
bit
more
detail
to
show
you
to
explain
what
it
shows
and
and
why,
starting
at
the
Northern
end
now
this.
M
Obviously,
this
is
turned
around
90
degrees,
so
Leeds
Road
is
on
the
western
side
of
the
screen
and
I
refer
to
the
local
Center,
which
is
is
a
key
component
of
what
of
both
the
Midlands
Southern
quadrants
and
for
hollow
is
part
of
a
long
discussion
around
where
primary
education
and
local
Center
usage
should
be
located.
M
So
this
area
of
land,
this
triangular
area
of
land,
is
actually
owned
by
the
city
council
as
I
say,
and
so
we
have
got
in
some
ways
a
bit
of
a
unique
opportunity
to
really
push
and
influence
how
this
works.
So
colleagues
in
asset
management
and
regeneration
have
commissioned
basically
feasibility
work
to
look
at
this
in
a
bit
more
detail
to
work
it
up
to
ensure
that
it
works
and
to
ensure
that
we
can
get
the
best
out
of
it
that
we
can.
So
this
has
been
worked
up
in
a
bit
more
detail
again.
M
I'd
stress
it's
all
outline,
but
also
be
useful,
just
to
explain
some
of
the
parameters.
So,
as
a
starting
point,
you'll
see
there's
a
red
hatched
area
which
runs
along
Leeds,
Road
and
then
turns
towards
meeting
approach,
and
that's
part
of
a
sewer
easement
which
I
understand
is,
is
quite
deep
and
essentially
not
really
movable,
and
so
development
has
been
suggested
to
basically
deal
with
that
by
not
building
over
it.
M
So
that's
why
the
buildings
are
set
back
away
from
from
Leeds
Road
with
car
parking
to
the
front,
so
at
least
it
does
provide
massive
surveillance
from
passing
pedestrians
and
users
over
those
public
areas
on
the
Leeds,
Road
Frontage.
So
behind
those
buildings,
sorry
starting
perhaps
at
the
bottom-
is
the
two
form:
entry,
Primary
School,
the
larger
block,
and
then
the
central
block
is
suggested
as
retail
and
then
that
sort
of
easternmost
block
is
the
healthcare
and
Community
use
with
the
potential
Cafe
and
so
on.
M
Colleagues,
on
so
for
the
primary
school
there's
a
two
form:
entry,
Primary
School
on
two
hectares
of
land
and
that
incorporates
the
building
playground,
areas,
the
playing
pitch
and
and
other
related
areas
of
space
around
it.
You've
then
also
got
the
retail,
but
then
it's
servicing
area
to
the
rear
secured
and
then
the
health
and
Community
areas
also
then
have
parking
to
the
rear.
M
It's
also
worth
pointing
out.
There
are
sort
of
existing
desire
lines,
although
the
current
pictures
are
fenced
off
and
aren't
usable
without
consent
from
parts
and
Countryside
I
suppose
there
are,
there
will
be
design
lines
across,
so
they
have
also
also
been
factored
in
so
routes
running
along
which
will
provide
access
into
the
Leisure
Center
and
also
into
the
development
and
I
mentioned
on
site
this
morning.
Those
those
links
through
the
residential
development
would
mean
that
people
could
access
get
access
to
the
primary
school
without
having
to
go
all
the
way
up.
M
The
the
spine,
Road
necessarily
so
then
moving
on
into
the
residential
areas
and
have
effectively
been
designed
as
perimeter
blocks.
So
these
sort
of
the
blacks
lines
on
the
of
the
orange
areas
really
indicate
plots
overlooking
streets.
Essentially,
so
you
can
see
a
series
of
perimeter
blocks.
Working
South
following
the
spine,
Road
and
I
mentioned
before
the
nature
of
the
spine
road
is
such
that
it's
capable
of
taking
a
bus.
M
It
has
verges
on
either
side
and
it
would
have
a
segregated
cycleway
along
its
length
and
again,
these
perimeter
blocks
Overlook
these
areas
of
Green
Space
throughout
the
development
which
also
includes
drainage,
soils
and
ponds,
and
so
on,
they're
moving
south.
This
is
the
area
we
walked
this
morning
and
I.
Think
there's
comments
made
on
the
site,
visits
around
the
existing
properties
and
explained
that
generally,
the
approach
is
to
back
properties
onto
gardeners.
You
have
Gardens
backing
onto
Gardens
you,
you
create
a
secure
block
rather
than
having
insecure
rears.
M
And
then
coming
southwards
again,
the
schedule
monuments,
I
mentioned
obviously
curves
around
down
towards
manston
Lane,
and
all
of
that
is
retained
within
that
area
of
green
space.
And
again
you
have
a
number
of
blocks
backing
onto
development
where
appropriate.
The
agreed
to
list
is
dove.
Coat
is
in
this
area
of
the
site
and
obviously,
as
a
reserve
matters,
application
comes
forward,
and
that
would
then
deal
with
that
particular
matter
in
in
more
detail.
M
Lasancroft
Farm,
coming
back
to
the
comments
raised
by
the
conservation
officer,
essentially
the
the
master
plan,
as
is
shows
development
backing
on
to
development,
which
is
which
is
fine,
except
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there's
a
slightly
slight
change
in
levels
and
the
applicant's
note
that
obviously
ELO
has
been
built
more
recently
and
that's
a
considerably
higher
level.
M
Lasercroft
Farm
and
that's
acknowledged
by
conservation
officers,
but
I
think
the
general
view
is
the
rule
to
be
some
sort
of
buffer
beyond
the
land.
That's
in
ladies
and
Craft
Farms
ownership
just
to
create
a
bit
of
a
separation
and
a
bit
of
a
buffer
between
new
development
and
and
the
building
itself.
M
This
slide
shows
the
approved
access
into
the
middle
quadrant
on
the
north
side
of
Leeds
Road
on
the
south
side,
there's
the
main
spine
Road
access
into
into
the
southern
quadrants
and
then
on
the
south
side
of
Leeds
Road
is
then
the
access
into
the
local
Center
and
other
pedestrian
routes,
and
I
mentioned
before
the
sewer
easement
along
the
frontage
and
down
smitten
approach,
and
that's
partly
the
reason
for
moving
what
partly
is
for
Designing
the
scheme
as
it
is,
and
also
other
Highway
reasons
for
moving
the
the
highway
access
for
the
local
center
from
smeaten
approach
to
Leeds.
M
Road
and
that's
been
worked
up
in
some
detail
and
is
understood
to
be
acceptable
in
Highway
terms
as
I've
set
out
in
the
report
in
terms
of
those
Junctions,
because
you
can
see
from
the
from
the
slide
that
the
various
lanes
that
are
proposed,
but
particularly
also
the
toucan
Crossing,
which
provides
access
across
for
cycles
and
pedestrians
between
each
of
the
sides
of
the
road
and
there
are
segregated
cycleways
on
either
side
of
leads
rows
at
that
point
as
well.
M
Similarly,
on
the
southern
end
of
the
site,
again,
there's
a
main
spine,
Road
accessing,
but
again
there's
toucan
Crossing
provided
as
well
as
an
informal
Crossing
Point
and
then
because
of
the
scheduled
monument
that
that
Eastern
parcel
of
development
behind
lasancroft
Farm
also
requires
its
own
access,
and
that
is
provided
from
from
manston
Lane
and
a
further
informal
crossing
point
before
you
get
to
the
traffic
lights
on
the
approach
to
eloff
I've
just
included
this
slide
to
give
an
indication
of
phasing,
as
with
the
other
quadrants
is
anticipated,
that
development
will
commence
from
either
n
from
where
the
spine
rate
connections
start.
M
So
the
air
is
in
yellow.
Are
they
recording
so
the
slide
says
zero
to
three
years
in
the
yellow
areas,
then
four
to
seven
years
in
the
green
areas
and
then
in
the
pink
color
I
think
that's
eight
to
eleven
years
in
that
Central
Area.
So
that
gives
an
indication
of
the
overall
build
out
time
for
the
development.
M
And
then
these
are
just
some
some
images
that
were
included
in
the
design
and
access
statements,
essentially
for
demonstrating
houses
overlooking
green
spaces
and
streets,
and
so
on,
applying
the
principles
that
we'd
normally
seem
to
apply
and
brings
us
back
to
the
master
plan
again
in
terms
of
points
that
I
just
wanted
to
make.
I
think
I
mentioned
on
the
site
visit
this
morning
and
they
were
hoping
to
have
an
officer
from
Children's
Services
present
to
answer
any
questions
on
education.
M
So
I'll
go
through
the
bullet
points
so
effectively.
Two
two
land
is
secured
for
a
two-form
entry
primary
school
and
that
would
be
420
places
or
60
per
year
group.
M
The
expected
primary
yield
from
both
the
middle
and
southern
quadrants,
which
is
at
roughly
1
800
units,
and
once
once
you
apply
the
formula
that
Children's
Services
use
to
calculate
these
things
that
gives
you
450
primary
HP
ports
or
64
per
year.
Group
identified
need
for
new
provision
to
open
in
a
phased
way,
as
demand
gradually
builds
I.e1
form
of
sorry.
M
One
I
think
that
should
be
one
form
and
entry
across
multiple
year
groups,
initially
from
as
early
as
September,
2025
and
I
know
that
again,
as
part
of
this
work
to
try
and
get
on
top
of
what
happens
on
the
local
Center
site,
I
know
that
colleagues
are
pushing
the
from
the
education
side
as
well.
To
make
that
happen,
and
new
provision
is
likely
to
be
a
free
school
delivered
either
by
the
department
for
education
or
by
leading
to
council,
depending
on
the
delivery
routes,
either
the
DFE.
M
M
In
addition,
options
may
exist
to
propose
expansion
of
secondary
schools
if
and
when
required,
and
that
could
be
paid
that
could
be
paid
for
from
the
sale
generated
by
the
isley's
extension
developments
and
in
wider
general
terms,
I
think
as
I
mentioned
on
site
this
morning,
the
Trinity
Academy
further
into
the
center
of
these
has
obviously
changed
the
the
Dynamics
of
the
various
polygons
for
secondary
schools,
and
so
that's
freed
up.
So
that's
the
part
of
the
reason
for
freeing
up
capacity
elsewhere
in
the
east
of
the
city,
and
so
that's
in
part.
M
Why
there's
sufficient
capacity
there
so
I
think
that
really
concludes
the
presentation,
as
I
say
at
the.
This
is
really
a
position
statement
at
this
stage,
so
it's
then
open
for
members
comments
on
the
the
matters
raised
in
the
report
and
then
we'll
take
those
away
back
to
the
applicant
and
resolve
the
outstanding
matters
with
the
view
to
coming
back
to
panel
in
the
near
future.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
H
Thank
you
chair.
My
name
is
Mark.
Johnson
I've
got
eight
very
brief
points
to
make
over
the
four
minutes
and
then,
of
course,
we're
here
to
answer
any
of
the
questions
that
members
may
have.
The
first
one
is
my
introductions
as
I
say:
Mark
Johnson,
Johnson,
Maura
planning
consultant
on
my
right,
Adam
reining
from
Taylor
wimpy
and
on
my
left,
my
cash
worth
from
redrow,
and
these
aren't
the
two
Developers
for
this
Southern
quadrant
proposal.
H
Andrew
crates
is
detailed.
The
proposal
and
its
relationship
with
the
middle
quadrant,
Northern,
quadrant
and
and
perhaps
even
read
all
that
four
parts
of
the
eastleigh's
extension
and
we
fully
support
the
commentary.
That's
just
been
given
on
it.
What
is
noticeable
today
even
is
that
even
in
this
4200
dwelling
proposal
and
the
925
dwellings
that
are
on
the
table
today
is
that
there
are
no
objectives.
Speaking
and
in
particular
with
respect
to
the
southern
quadrant.
There
are
only
15
letters
of
objection
and
even
on
the
2000
leaflet
drop
we
did
more
recently.
H
We
only
got
four
comments,
so
I
think
the
message
that
we're
getting
in
effect
from
the
development
side
and
is
and
and
would
certainly
one
that
the
council
are
giving
is-
is
to
get
on
with
it.
We
know
that
your
law
is
open,
and
now
we
need
to
get
on
and
repay
the
monies
that
have
been
invested
by
the
council
in
e-law.
H
We
know
that
you've
got
eight
questions.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
going
to
ask
one
more
question
at
the
end
of
this,
but
before
I
do
that
I'll
just
briefly
upon
another,
a
number
of
other
points.
First
of
all,
the
section
106
it's
described
in
the
report
in
a
very
detailed
way,
but
there's
one
or
two
elements
that
are
slightly
missing
and
it's
in
effect
the
unknown,
but
just
to
fill
in
those
gaps.
H
As
far
as
we
see
them
education
contribution
towards
primary,
we
think
it's
going
to
be
in
the
order
of
about
2.4
million
pounds
from
this
925.
The
bus
service
reference
is
not
having
a
figure,
but
we
think
that'll
be
around
about
750
000
pounds,
because
that
was
the
same
for
the
middle
quadrant
and
the
silk
contribution
again
will
be
something
in
the
order
of
about
two
and
a
half
million.
H
So
what
we've
got
overall
excuse
me
is
a
package
on
the
southern
quadrant
to
Something
in
the
order
of
a
27
million
pound,
section
106
contribution,
which
is
roughly
about
28
000
pounder
dwelling
plus
the
15,
affordable,
housing
and
I
know.
I
said
this
about
the
middle
quadrant,
but
that's
perhaps
the
biggest
section
106
package
you'll
have
seen
in
any
residential
development
in
Leeds
climate
change.
H
We
notice
a
question
on
the
agenda
to
members
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
on
climate
change,
but
what
I
would
say
briefly
is
that
your
current
policy,
which
is
based
upon
the
2013
building
regulations,
is
to
better
those
regulations
by
20
percent.
H
My
final
question,
which
is
a
very
brief
one,
is
the
section
106
for
this
site
is
almost
identical
to
what
the
middle
quadrant
will
be,
and
the
section
106
is
what
is
essentially
determines
the
outline.
The
majority
of
all
the
other
matters
of
reserved
matters
and
I.
Just
wonder
whether
or
not
with
the
greatest
of
respect
is
that
members
here
will
want
to
see
the
reserve
matters
application
coming
forward.
H
To
comment
upon
these
points,
which
we
can't
necessarily
better
on
by
coming
back
to
this
Committee
in
the
outline
and
therefore
my
question
is:
do
we
need
to
bring
this
one
back
as
an
outline
to
this
committee,
or
can
we
delegate
and
then
move
to
the
reserve
matters,
so
we
can
actually
demonstrate
the
comments
that
I've
just
made
in
more
detail.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
J
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
I.
Suppose
it's
really
one
for
members.
Once
members
have
gone
through
the
through
the
comments
section
can
come
back
to
at
the
end
of
that
and
reach
a
viewers
as
to
whether
that's
something
I
want
to
follow
or
or
whether
I
want
the
application
to
come.
The
outline
application
to
come
back
to
come
back
to
the
plans
panel.
C
C
How
close
will
you
be
to
our
new
standards
that
we
hope
to
adopt?
Are
you
moving
towards
them?
Are
you
not
interested
moving
towards
them
because
they're
not
being
put
on
the
statute
book?
Yet,
where
are
you
on
a
scale
of
let's
say
one
to
a
hundred
in
terms
of
compliance
with
the
new
standards
that
we
are
hoping
to
adopt.
H
So,
whilst
we
all
think
we
know
what
we're
talking
about,
the
government
actually
hasn't
nailed
its
colors
to
the
Mast.
So
what
what
we're
doing
through
this
development
is
recognizing
the
fact
that
the
majority
of
this
development
will
be
built
2025
and
Beyond,
because
we're
in
2022
now
and
by
the
time
we
get
to
a
detailed
approval
at
the
2023
by
the
time
the
the
land
is
bought
and
agreed
and
approved
and
all
the
conditions
are
sorted
will
be
2024.
So
hence
the
comment:
we're
not
starting
with
gas,
because
the
2025
standards
don't
do
that.
H
The
other
elements
of
the
2025
standards
are
a
drive
towards
zero
carbon,
and
what
we're
saying
is
that,
if
we
can
start
with
the
2025
standards
in
mind,
is
that
will
be
delivering
development
here,
which
is
called
zero
carbon
ready,
which
is
in
effect,
what
future
home
standards
are
beyond
that
right
now.
What
we
can't
do
is
that
we
can't
provide
you
with
the
detail,
but
we
can
provide
you
with
the
detail
in
the
reserve
Master's
application.
H
G
Thank
you
yeah,
so
from
what
I
can
gather
today,
we're
just
looking
at
the
connections
specifically
I
haven't
been
on
site
this
morning.
Have
some
concerns
around
the
like
footpath
based
connections
and
where
they
lead
to
and
I
just
wondered
what
you
were
planning
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
don't
design
on
the
development
roots
for
people
to
be
going
down.
G
That
then
lead
to
unlit
places
where
women
and
I
guess
the
wider
population
as
well
are
more
likely
to
find
themselves
unsafe,
because
it's
clear
that
you
guys
are
going
to
design
beautifully.
But
you
back
on
to
another
estate.
Does
that
make
sense.
H
The
only
issue
then,
with
respect
to
safety
and
design,
is
the
one
along
the
back,
because
that's
the
one
that
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
some
cross
connectivity
with,
but
they
need
to
be
lit
and
safe
secure.
So
what
we're
probably
expecting?
There
is
lower
level
lighting,
but
ultimately,
if
you're
in
this
development
and
you're
walking
your
children
to
the
school,
you're,
probably
walking
up
the
spine,
Road
and
cycling
up
the
spine
Road
rather
than
going
across
the
bag.
G
Thank
you
just
a
very
quick
one
on
the
spine
road.
Is
it
going
to
be
sizable
enough
that
there
will
be
parking
on
street
as
well?
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
having
people
asked
to
have
the
verges
removed,
so
to
put
verges
in
could
lead
to
Future
parking
problems
if
the
road
isn't
wide
enough.
H
I
think,
in
terms
of
my
understanding
of
the
design,
where
we're
currently
behind
the
scenes
and
to
be
fair,
we're
slightly
more
advanced
in
the
middle
quadrant
design.
But
it's
the
same
principle
is
that
we're
not
looking
to
have
parking
at
all
along
the
spine
road.
So
the
spine
road
is
in
effect
it's
a
it's
a
low
level
transporter
route
at
20,
miles
an
hour
for
cars
and
buses
with
walking
and
cycling.
H
But
then
all
the
provision
for
parking
is
inside
and
on
the
plots
and
as
well
as
much
as
possible
to
take
cars
out
of
the
street
scene
with
respect
to
the
the
spine
road.
So
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
you'll
be
going
around
cars
on.
We
can't
say
that
people
won't
Park
on
it,
but
there
shouldn't
really
be
a
need
to
park
on
the
spine,
Road.
H
That
might
be
a
question
that
you
would
want
to
ask
of
the
highways
officer,
but
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
assuming
one
is
being
requested
or
asked
for
it's
that
the
design
detail
will
demonstrate
that
we
don't
need
necessarily
to
see
cars
on
that
road,
but
because
using
the
road
but
they'll
be
parking
off
the
road
and
there's
certainly
a
wide
Verge.
A
three
meter
wide
Verge
grass
strip
that
runs
alongside
the
walking
and
cycling
link
as
well,
which
is
I.
Think
four
and
a
half
meters
wide.
M
So
it
might
be
useful
to
add
in
a
bit
around
sort
of
General
design
principles
in
terms
of
what
we
look
for
in
terms
of
housing,
layouts
and
the
and
the
relationship
between
houses
and
driveways
and
the
roads
that
they
front
onto.
So
we
often
talk
about
having
trying
to
get
parking
to
the
side
of
houses
rather
than
the
front,
and
certainly
along
the
spine.
Road
you
wouldn't
want
Frontage
parking.
M
You
would
want
to
very
much
minimize
that
so
I'd
envisage
parking
being
accessed
via
a
made
driveway
up
to
the
size
of
dwellings
and
then
having
areas
of
verge
in
front
of
properties.
So
you
would
hopefully
then
have
a
reasonably
secure
Verge
for
the
future,
as
opposed
to
the
problem
that
I
think
you're
referring
to
is
where
often
people
that
move
into
a
property
where
it's
actually
quite
dense
parking
Arrangements,
where
those
houses
were
built
without
any
parking
at
all.
M
And
then
you
get
lots
of
verge,
which
is
then
lost
to
development
or
just
muddy
areas.
So
I
think.
Hopefully,
we
can
probably
design
that
out
to
the
detailed
design
along
the
spine
road
so
that
it's
not
an
issue
and
doesn't
require
tros
in
addition,
you'll
be
looking
to
plant
in
those
verges
as
well
with
trees,
so
an
added
reason
for
not
not
losing
them
in
the
future
future.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
at
all.
G
M
M
E
On
paragraph
42,
I
just
wondered
if
you
had
any
discussions
or
we'll
have
discussions
with
the
West
Yorkshire
combined
Authority
about
the
possible
use
of
the
flexi
bus,
which
has
been
on
trial
in
East,
Leeds
and
I.
Think
will
be
a
a
very
good
in
terms
of
like
electric
buses
and
climate
change
and
20
mile
an
hour
limits
in
the
area.
H
Thank
you,
councilor,
cleaner,
that's
one
for
the
council,
but
what
I
would
say
with
respect
to
paragraph
42,
it
doesn't
give
you
the
indication
of
the
750
000
pounds
that
goes
into
providing
the
bus
service
throughout
the
life
of
the
site.
In
effect,
it's
the
kick
starting
of
the
bus
service,
but
that
bus
service
is
running
all
the
way
down
through
each
of
the
quadrants,
so
how
the
council,
and
and
and
why
could
choose
to
use
it,
whether
it's
flexible
electric
buses
in
effect
is
is
one
for
the
council
and
the
authorities.
A
I,
thank
you.
I
can't
see
anyone
else
showing
any
interest,
but
in
that
case,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
now
any
questions
to
the
officers.
A
G
D
Thanks
chair,
we
currently
have
an
issue
on
another
plans
panel
where
a
school
is
seeking
to
build
a
g3g
pitch
because
they
don't
have
sufficient
soft
play
provision
on
their
or
within
their
own
grounds.
I
know
that
we're
taking
away
a
large
chunk
of
soft
play
provision
from
John
smeaton
High
School
as
part
of
this
development
and
I
wondered
if
that
left
them
with
sufficient
soft
play
provision
for
their
pupil
numbers.
Please.
M
Thank
you,
councilor
yeah,
just
to
clarify
that
there's
no
loss
of
provision
from
John's
meeting,
Academy
they're
completely
separate
outside
of
the
site,
so
the
area
of
land,
that's
owned
by
the
city
council,
are
playing
pictures
where,
for
example,
somebody
could
book
you
know
Sunday
football
or
something
like
that.
So
therefore,
that
purpose
not
for
school's
purpose,
but
there
is
a
a
pitch.
That's
retained
on
site
for
the
for
the
new
Primary
School
yeah,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
loss
elsewhere.
M
It's
probably
also
worth
donative
for
that
primary
school.
They
have
got
other
spaces
of
playground,
space
key
stage,
one
space
and
h3o
and
so
on,
as
well
as
the
pitch
so
hopefully
avoid
that
situation
of
shortfalls
of
particular
land
uses
in
the
future.
M
I
Stevenson
thanks
Jack
can
we
have
a
bit
more
information
around
layers
and
Croft
Farm
I
know
sort
of
outside
the
plant
area,
but
what's
what's
the
ownership
situation
there
I
seem
to
record
his
own
by
the
council.
I
think.
Was
it
compulsory
to
purchase
so
what's
the
plan
afterwards.
M
Thank
you
yeah,
so
the
the
building
was
historically
owned
by
the
city
council
and
it
has
been
sold
to
a
business
who
are
who
have
a
current
planning
application
to
operate
a
children's
nursery
from
that
property.
So
that's
an
undetermined
application
at
the
moment
and
there's
various
issues
to
resolve
as
I
understand
and
as
I
say,
their
their
ownership
goes
just
to
the
north
of
that
wall
that,
like
referenced
in
the
photograph
and
I,
think
they're
looking
at
having
that
as
a
sort
of
an
allotment
Zone
area
along
that
strip
of
land.
M
So
the
point
that
I
was
making
is
there
will
also
be,
or
the
point
that
the
conservation
officer
is
making
is
that
there
will
also
be
some
sort
of
buffer
or
an
appropriate
boundary
treatment.
Beyond
that
area.
I.E
the
responsibility
shouldn't
be
on
the
on
ladies
and
craft
Farm.
It
should
be
on
the
developer
to
provide
that
buffer
to
create
a
bit
of
separation
between
the
two.
Notwithstanding
the
point
that
Mark
makes
around
the
new
relationship
and
the
new
setting
in
the
context
of
Elo.
I
I
guess
then,
when
when
this
comes
comes
back,
I
think
if
it,
if
that
application
proceeds
through,
then
clearly
we
may
wish
to
look
at
connectivity
between
that
nurse
supervision
and
the
estate,
because
if
it's,
if
it's
a
boundary,
otherwise
they're
going
to
have
to
go
right
round,
aren't
they
rather
than
be
able
to
walk
through.
M
I
can
just
come
back
yeah
also
on
the
master
plan.
There
are
that
ladies
and
craft
Farm
sits
below
that
area
of
development
on
the
the
Southeastern
Corner,
which
is
separate
from
the
rest
of
the
development
Anyway
by
virtue
of
the
Green
Space
along
the
scheduled
Monument.
But
there
are
footpath
connections
across
that
green
space
so
from
the
larger
area
of
development
in
the
southeasterly
direction.
M
So
you
would
be
able
to
walk
through
the
development
and
down
to
essentially
around
the
corner
from
amazing
craft
farm
and
then
access
the
property
that
way,
and
that's
probably,
without
speaking
on
their
behalf,
I
suspect,
that's
probably
preferable
than
people
coming
back
way
over
there
Garden
Wall,
as
it
were.
D
I
think
I
mentioned
these
things
this
morning,
but
yeah
just
councilor
Bethel
mentioned
School
spaces,
I
think
just
more
evidence
about
high
school
spaces,
because
from
my
understanding
a
lot
of
the
schools
are
at
capacity
and
potentially
like
yo
and
yet
is
going
to
be.
You
know
a
significant
number
of
high
school
children
living
in
this
development
and
then
just
if
some
thought
could
go
into
like
community
space,
so
I
know
that
there's
space
for
a
retail
unit.
D
Is
it
a
health
center
everything
that's
a
GP
surgery
and
the
school?
But
you
know
there's
like
going
to
be
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people
living
here
like.
Where
is
the
space
the
community
could
hire
for
meetings?
Maybe
you
know,
guides
clubs,
groups,
I,
don't
know
like
knitting
groups,
residence
associations
just
and
it's
all
like
kind
of
one
end
like
just
is
there?
Where
can
the
people
gather
like
in
community.
M
And
just
yeah
just
come
back
to
that
so
on
the
so,
the
the
location
of
the
of
the
local
Center
has
essentially
been
cited
there,
because
it's
equidistant
for
both
the
middle
and
southern
quadrants,
and
that's
because
the
primary
school
is
required
as
a
result
of
both
of
those
developments
and
the
same
applies
to
the
local
Center.
So
that's
why
it's
located
where
it
is
in
part.
The
other
reason
is
geographically
having
a
frontage
to
Leeds
Road.
M
It
means
that
there's
more
footfall
and
it's
easier
to
access
without
having
to
travel
through
deeper
into
a
residential
area.
The
scheme
is
in
outline,
but
we
have
been
very
careful
to
ensure
that
there
is
some
sort
of
community
use
provision
in
there.
As
I
said
with
as
a
council,
which
one
essentially
trying
to
facilitate
this
happening,
we
can't
make
it.
We
can't
be
the
deliverer,
but
we
can
be
the
facilitator.
M
So,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
would
have
there's
a
health
subgroup
which
I've
sat
along
with
other
colleagues
and
that's
to
try
and
understand
what
the
health
ask
is,
and
there
are
people
from
the
cultural
sector.
Sit
on
that
group
as
well
and
they've
made
the
point
that
there's
a
general
issue
around
well-being
which
goes
beyond
you
know,
seeing
a
doctor
or
a
nurse
or
whatever
more
around
those
sorts
of
activities
that
you
mentioned,
and
so
we
are
Keen
to
try
and
get
some
space
in
there.
That
provides
that
service.
M
It's
considered,
that's
the
best
location
geographically,
but
it
would
take
the
points
and
we
can
perhaps
explore
that
a
bit
further
and
it
might
be
something
that's
worth
us
taking
up
with
I've
taken
through
the
consultative
Forum
and
because
then
we
have
got
a
good
cross-section
of
local
residents
and
Ward
members
from
all
of
those
yeah
adjacent
Wards
and
so
on
so
happy
to
take
that
away
comes.
A
G
Thank
you
and
I
did
have
to
nip
out
so
it
may
already
have
been
covered,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
on
record
how
important
I
think
it
is
that
we
included
Dentistry
specifically
on
NHS
dentist's,
specifically
in
the
conditions
of
the
requirements
over
and
above
just
General
Health
Care,
because
we
know
that
trying
to
get
NHS,
dentists
and
adding
all
those
extra
people
is
a
particularly
difficult
Activity.
Thank
you.
A
Point
taken
on
board
any
any
other
Quant
councilor
Stevenson.
I
On
the
parking
point
we
discussed
earlier,
I
think
some
serious
thought
needs
to
be
given
to
this.
We've
raised
it
beforehand,
but
there
seems
to
be
a
a
movement.
Well.
I
First
of
all,
I
was
triggered
by
your
suggestion
that
we
need
to
reduce
the
number
of
cars
there,
because
in
reality
people
will
use
cars
and
all
you're
doing
is
creating
the
casework
that
we
then
have
to
deal
with
afterwards,
because
there's
not
enough
parking
spaces
on
the
houses
because
they
are
using
the
virtues
and
in
the
in
this
day
and
age,
when
you've
got
five
bedroom
executive
homes
and
you're.
I
Supplying
two
cars
is
ridiculous,
because
you're
going
to
have
2.4
children,
all
the
rest
of
it
that
then
get
to
18
and
all
have
cars,
and
that
creates
massive
issues
for
the
council
afterwards
to
try
and
deal
with
and
on
a
design
Point.
I
When
you
create
the
driveways
at
the
side
of
the
house,
which
are
wide
enough
for
one
car,
and
you
expect
both
cars
to
line
up,
you
actually
you're
going
to
end
up
with
three
or
four
and
people
don't
use
their
drives,
because
when
Nancy
finally
wants
to
nip
to
the
shop,
she
has
to
ask
Uncle
Bob
and
the
four
children
to
move
first
to
get
out
so
actually
having
car
parking
spaces
side
by
side
is,
is
preferable
and
you
can't
do
anything
about
it.
I
I
But
it
needs
to
be
reviewed
because
it's
just
not
acceptable
that
15,
affordable
housing
is
the
figure
we're
looking
at
in
a
an
area,
nearly
inner
city,
inner
East,
when,
if
you
were
out
in
our
neck
of
the
woods,
you'll
be
asking
for
35
and
actually
the
the
demand
is
more
in
the
inner
East
area
as
well.
D
Sorry
I'm
a
bit
like
Colombo
today,
Anna
just
one
more
thing.
Could
we
make
sure
that
there
is
condition
excuse.
A
Me
come
through
Smith
comes
consulate.
Please
can
we
have
one
meeting,
please
Council
Smith,
sorry.
D
Sorry
is
it
possible
to
put
a
condition
on
I
know
the
the
applicant
has
assured
us
that
they
will
build
to
at
least
2025
building
standards,
but
could
we
condition
it
please,
just
in
case
they
start
to
build
earlier
and
then
they
they
do
build
to
the
current
standards.
My
thought
process
is
it's
cheaper
and
easier
for
the
homeowner
then,
rather
than
having
to
retrofit
a
later
date,.
M
I
think
the
way
that
would
approach
it
is,
as
with
the
the
other
quadrants,
we
can
would
probably
condition
sort
of
updated
sustainability
appraisals
for
for
each
parcel
that
comes
forward,
so
we
can
have
a
look
at
the
detail
of
what's
what
comes
in,
but
it
would
be
what's
appropriate
at
that
point
in
time.
There
wouldn't
need
there
wouldn't
be
a
need
to
impose
a
condition
to
comply
with
future
standards,
because
the
partel
is
coming
to
the
building
regulations
route.
So
it's
covered
by
other
legislation
so
effectively.
M
C
A
A
J
C
A
I
think
question
two
we
missed
on
and
you
sorry
I'm
all
over
at
the
moment.
Question
two
then,
shall
we
move
on
to
question
two?
Can
we
pick.
G
D
And
that's
probably
comes
into
the
more
detailed
thing,
but
could
we
look
at
some
sort
of
community
Orchard
space
as
part
of
the
biodiversity.
A
It's
a
good
point:
councilor
Smith,
I.
C
C
A
Right
five
we've
already
talked
about
the
parking
anything
else
on
five
now,
six.
A
M
M
Yeah,
the
the
any
other
additional
question
was
from
the
agent
in
relation
to
on
the
basis
that
there's
a
small
number
of
technical
matters
there'll
be
nothing
that
would
materially
change
between
now
and
when
this
comes
back
to
panel.
Would
members
be
minded
to
delegate?
C
C
My
only
concern
with
that
is
bitter
experience
has
taught
me
that
sometimes
officers
don't
put
the
correct
conditions
on
the
outline,
and
we
are
then
told
when
it
comes
to
reserve
matters.
Sorry
that's
already
been
dealt
with.
We
can't
do
anything
more
about
it.
I'm
not
saying
you're
one
of
these
officers,
because
I
have
no
evidence
that
you
have,
but
other
officers
have
gone
ahead.
Given
outline
permission,
we've
then
come
back
again
and
said
what
about
this
and
we're
told
notes?
That's
been
already
agreed.
We
can't
learn
about
it.
C
That's
my
only
concern
about
that
process,
but
I'll
leave
it
up
to
others
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
agree.
Officers
aren't
always
doing
everything
they
should.
I
In
the
list
of
comments
that
you've
captured
that
we've
made
today
is
there
anything
in
that
that
would
be
covered
at
outline
that
there
isn't
part
of
Reserve
matters,
and
if
the
answer
is
yes,
then
I
would
suggest.
It's
probably
ought
to
come
back
to
us.
M
The
only
bit
that
would
be
secured
through
the
outline
are
the
the
connections
outside
of
the
site
and
that's
picking
up
the
point
that
councilor
Bissell
was
making
earlier
and
a
bit
like
on
the
middle
quadrant,
where
we
secured
lit
routes
to
provide
connections
to
bus
routes.
As
we
did
on
the
middle
quadrant.
We
would
seek
to
do
that
off
the
section
106
agreement
attached
to
this
application.
G
A
F
Just
because,
obviously
this
is
quite
sufficiently
Advanced
method.
Is
there
a
bit
of
a
middle
ground
where
actually
you
get
site
to
visit
chair
and
if
you
feel
there's
anything
that
needs
to
come
back
to
us
that
we
delegate
that
decision
to
you
as
chair
and
actually,
if
you
look
at
the
offices,
give
you
and
you
go
actually
I
think
there's
a
question
to
be
answered
here.
Then
it
comes
back,
but
if
you're
then
Happy,
actually
the
questions
of
the
conditions
are
solid
enough.
Then
it
progresses
has
been
suggested.
A
J
There
is
potentially
Middle
Ground,
yes,
you
could.
You
could
defer
foreign
delegated
in
consultation
with
the
with
with
the
chair.
J
So
yes,
that
that
is
an
option
that
obviously
puts
quite
a
lot
of
bonus
and
responsibility
on
the
chair,
particularly
bearing
in
mind
councilor
Anderson's
point
about
the
the
list
of
conditions
and
whether
those
conditions
cover
all
the
points
that
the
plans
panel
want
them
to
and
I'm
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
you
actually
haven't
seen
any
conditions
as
as
yet
now
from
an
officer
perspective,
it's
actually
relatively
straightforward
in
the
sense
that
this
is
you
know
it's
an
allocated
site.
J
All
they're
seeking
to
do
is
establish
the
principle
on
top
of
that
allocation
and
agree
the
the
the
means
of
the
means
of
access.
So
in
Broad
terms
it's
actually
quite
a
simple
application,
because
it's
policy
compliant,
but
there
is
a
certain
amount
of
devil
in
the
detail
in
terms
of
the
conditions,
so
it
it
may
be
that
there's
an
alternative
middle
ground
that
we
just
bring
back
shortened
report
and
say:
look
we've
progressed
it
this
far,
and
these
are
the
conditions.
J
Are
you
happy
with
with
that
list
of
conditions
and
then
I
think
will,
as
officers
will
have
some
comfort
and
also
as
members,
we'll
have
some
some
comfort,
but
ultimately
the
determination
would
be
with
with
officers
to
to
delegate
it
and
we
wouldn't
necessarily
bring
back
a
full
blooded
big
report
on
it.
But
it'd,
be
one
that'll
concentrate
on
those
conditions,
just
to
make
sure
that
members
are
content
with
that.
I
Stevenson
can
I
plagiarize
everything
that
David
just
said
on
that
and
put
that
an
emotion
in
my
name.
J
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
The
members
we
have
we
have
got
notes
in
respect
of
each
of
the
questions.
I
won't
go
through
those
now
because
we'll
they'll
be
summarized
in
the
minutes
when
they
come
forward,
but
just
to
be
clear,
what
we
will
do
at
a
future
date
is
bring
back
a
report
which
will
specifically
deal
with
the
list
of
conditions
that
we're
looking
to
attach
to
any
planning
permission,
outline
planning
permission
that
is
issued
so
you'll
get
you'll.
Get
sight
of
that.
Thank
you,
chair.
J
J
Foreign,
thank
you
very
much
chair
this.
This
is
a
an
application.
That's
been,
of
course
been
before
this
plans
panel
before
it
came
back
in
back
in
July.
So
this
is
the
updated
report,
picking
up
on
the
comments
which
members
raised
at
that
point
in
time.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'm
as
I
go
through
the
slides
I'll
just
go
through
the
slides.
The
scheme
hasn't
actually
changed.
J
It's
still
the
same
scheme
members
got
to
make
a
decision
on
so
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
just
remind
members
of
the
scheme
by
going
through
the
slides
but
I'll
try
and
pick
up
on
some
of
the
points
which
members
raised
last
time
in
the
response
that
we
had
in
in
in
doing
so
before.
J
I
get
on
to
to
that,
I
should
say
that
we
have
received
four
further
letters
of
representation
which
I'll
briefly
run
through,
and
these
have
been
two
members
may
have
received
letters
directly
to,
but
the
four
that
we've
seen
as
as
essentially
say
that
the
public
comes.
The
additional
public
consultation
has
been
inadequate.
J
That
you'll
see
in
the
report
as
a
reference
to
a
meeting.
That's
taken
place
between
the
residents
of
number
29
and
the
applicant.
The
residence
number
279
say
to
call
that
a
meeting
is
inaccurate.
They
point
the
scheme
has
not
changed.
J
They
say
that
they
dispute
what
they've
been
told
in
discussions
with
the
applicants
about
the
height
of
their
house,
because
there
was
a
discussion
about
the
relative
Heights
of
properties
and
they
also
dispute
what
they've
been
told
by
the
applicant
about
the
amount
of
material.
That's
going
to
be
moved
from
to
create
the
the
access
drive
and
the
importance
for
number
29
of
that
point
is
that
they're
one
of
the
properties
which
borders
onto
the
proposed
Access
Road.
J
J
There
is
also
a
more
General
Point,
that's
been
raised
by
two
or
three
local
residents
with
us,
which
is
that
there
is
no
public
speaking
this
time
around
and
I
thought
I'd
also
explain
that
where
why
that
is
the
case,
obviously
we
have
protocols
for
these
sort
of
situations
and
what
the
protocol
for
public
speaking
at
plans
panel
says
is
says
for
the
avoidance
of
doubt,
and
this
is
talking
about
applications
which
are
there
for
determination,
rather
than
the
position
we've
just
had
where
we
had
a
position
where.
M
J
Had
position
statements
and
then
for
determination.
This
is
about
when
we've
reported
an
application
for
determination,
and
it
says
for
the
avoidance
of
Doubt,
applicant
supporters
or
objectives
to
the
application
will
only
be
entitled
to
address
the
panel
on
one
occasion
unless,
in
the
opinion
of
the
chair,
significant
new
information
has
been
produced,
raising
new
material
planning
considerations
and
it
goes
on
to
say
in
those
circumstances,
speakers
should
only
speak
about
the
new
matters
or
the
amended
details,
not
about
matters
which
have
been
previously
considered
by
the
panel
now
in.
J
In
this
particular
instance,
the
scheme
is,
as
it
was
back
in
July.
We
have
got
some
further
information,
but
in
terms
of
that
raising
new
material
planning
considerations,
it
doesn't
the
material
planning.
Considerations
are
exactly
the
same
now
as
they
were
in
July,
but
you've
got
a
little
bit
more
information
on
some
of
those
considerations.
That's
that's
coming
before
you.
So,
in
those
circumstances,
a
very
strong
advice
that
we've
given
to
the
chair-
and
this
is
based
on
what
we've
done
previously
and
to
be
consistent
with
what
we've
done
previously
is
as
there's
ultimately
there's.
J
J
So
as
I
say
it
did
come
to
plans
panel
back
in
July
and
hopefully
this
will
move
it
on
right
nope.
J
J
The
site
it's
located
within
the
district
Center
of
of
round
hay,
it's
not
within
the
conservation
area,
but
the
far
extent
where
you
see
the
words
oakwood's
surgery
is
the
closest
it
comes
to
the
the
Conservation
Area.
This
is
a
scheme
members
recall
it
four
pairs
of
semi-detached
houses,
delivering
eight
three
bedroom
properties.
You
can
see
that
the
see
where
the
the
access
road
goes
through
at
the
bottom
there.
There
are
three
trees
which
are
covered
by
tree
preservation
order.
Two
of
those
trees
are
to
to
come
out.
J
Then,
in
terms
of
the
houses
themselves.
You'll
see
each
has
two
surface
car
parking
spaces,
one
tandem,
well
a
couple
of
them
at
tandem.
J
What
we'd
call
tandem
spaces
two
side
by
side,
a
few
with
two
spaces:
sorry
side
by
side
and
some
properties
also
have
garages,
and
you
can
see
the
gardens
there
extending
up
into
the
the
treed
area
up
the
trade
embankments
to
back.
This
is
a
few
photos
now
just
to
remind
members
of
the
the
site,
so
you
can
see
it's
a
former
former
car
park
space.
You
can
see
the
street
lighting
there
for
the
car
parking
lighting.
J
J
As
you
look
at
that
slide
to
the
left
is
number
29,
which
is
on
slightly
Higher
Ground
and
then
you've
got
on.
The
right
is
number
31,
which
is
on
the
slightly
lower
ground,
and
you
may
recall
that
the
residence
number
29
are
against
the
the
developments
now.
J
So
this
is
the
the
main
acts
that
access
point
which
goes
into
and
serves
the
Home
Bargains
car
park.
So
you
can
see
the
home
bargain
store
on
the
left
hand,
side
and
the
GP
surgery
on
the
right
hand,
side,
and
then
you
can
see
some
of
the
car
parking
there
for
all
the
the
home
bargain
store.
The
other
point
to
note,
when
looking
at
the
home
bargain
stores
that
you
can
see
that
there
is
at
the
entrance
to
the
store,
there
is
a
quite
a
significant
change
in
levels
from
the
road
level.
J
J
Now
there
were
two
things
that
that
happened
here:
first
off
the
developer
or
the
applicant
spoke
to
the
owners
of
the
store,
who
are
leasing
it
out
to
Home
Bargains
and
approach
them
as
to
whether
they
would
be
agreeable
for
them
to
acquire
the
land
so
that
they
could
use
it
as
an
access.
So
the
process
would
be
an
effect
they
acquire
the
land
be
made
up
to
adoptable
standards,
and
then
the
council
would
adopt
adopt
the
road.
J
The
Freeholder
said
they
wouldn't
be
comfortable
with
that
position.
They
wouldn't
sell
the
land
to
the
to
the
applicant
on
the
basis
that
they
had
an
existing
agreement
with
Home
Bargains
store.
They
didn't
want
to
jeopardize
that
they
didn't
want
to
lose
control
over
the
land.
In
essence,
also
to
achieve
a
road
to
the
doctor's
or
standard
would
involve
wiping
out
a
number
of
car
parking
spaces
to
get
the
appropriate
width
of
Road
server
development
and
the
store
you're.
Looking
I
think
it
was
something
like
9.2
meters
wide.
J
Four
meters,
two
meters
foot
way
either
side,
giving
you
four
meters
and
then
you've
got
the
width,
the
carriageway
as
well.
So
that
would
wipe
out
around
about
20
of
their
car
parking
spaces.
J
There
are
also
technical
issues
in
terms
of
delivering
a
road
of
the
suitable
design
in
in
stair,
and
it's
made
extremely
difficult
by
that
not
changing
levels
which
would
all
tool
intents
and
purposes
counts
against
delivering
a
road
of
a
suitable
design
in
that
area,
so
that
that
part
of
it
was
that
part
of
the
scheme
in
effect
became
a
bit
of
a
non-starter
in
terms
of
an
alternative
access.
So
that's
a
large
part.
Why
we're
bringing
back
exactly
the
same
scheme
as
we
had
last
time.
J
Other
points
to
to
mention
and
pick
up
on,
I
won't
go
through
it
in
detail,
because
it's
covering
a
report
with
this
application
does
go
into
some
detail
on
all
of
the
points
on
which
members
deferred
consideration,
including
the
primary
point
which
was
for
members
to
for
sorry
for
the
applicant
to
talk
to
the
local
residents
and
they
talked
to
Residents
number
31
number
29,
and
there
was
also
a
meeting
held
with
the
ward
member
to
update
the
ward
member
on
those
discussions
and
the
further
discussions
about
the
access.
J
So
this
slide
is
again.
The
layout
slide
shows
the
nature
of
the
development.
I've
put
this
one
up
at
this
point
in
time,
mainly
because
just
to
highlight
from
my
members
that
there
are
significant
tree
planting
that
goes
with
this
proposals.
There's
31
extra
heavy
standard
trees
which
go
in,
and
then
you
see
the
hatched
area
which
arched
about
across
the
back
three
of
the
semi-attached
houses.
That's
an
area
around
about
where
they're,
putting
in
100
whips
or
so
now.
J
Now
the
other
point
which
we
had
discussion
on
that
some
at
some
length
last
time,
which
was
the
nature
of
the
gardens
and
The
Limited
area
which
immediately
to
the
back
of
the
houses
before
the
land,
starts
to
to
rise.
Now
that
position
hasn't
changed.
J
Those
properties
which
are
in
a
run
of
three
generally
have
a
much
more
significant
Garden
depth,
as
it
were
from
memory
ranging
from
around
about
seven
to
nine
meters
before
it
then
goes
into
the
embankment.
It's
plot,
seven
and
eight
particularly
plot
eight,
which
are
at
the
far
end
of
the
cul-de-sac,
which
have
a
much
more
limited
area,
their
overall
Garden
area,
because
it
incorporates
the
embankment
is
very
large
and
much
beyond
our
standards.
But
they've
only
got
small
areas
in
terms
of
level
access
and
level
immunity
space.
J
In
terms
of
the
design
of
the
proposals,
you
can
see
there
that
it's
a
very
sort
of
traditional
design,
two
and
a
half
three
stories
high
picking
up
on
some
of
the
local
architectural
details.
All
the
houses
are
of
a
very
sort
of
similar
form.
J
J
Okay,
now
one
of
the
developments
that
has
taken
place
since
this
application
last
came
before
panel
was
that
we
did
consult
with
an
H
conservation
officer
and
you'll
see
the
next
conservation
officer's
comments
are
summarized,
and
then
each
conservation
officer
essentially
said
it's
a
positive
that
the
embankment
has
been
retained
because
that's
the
the
feature
which
makes
the
biggest
contribution
to
Nature
conservation
and
biodiversity.
J
However,
from
their
perspective,
it
would
be
better
if
that
area
became
separated
off
as
it
were,
with
no
access
into
it
and
be
retained
in
its
entirety
as
a
single
entity
and
that's
the
best
solution
from
an
H
conservation
issue.
J
So
and
I
would
say
that
the
the
nature
conservation
officer
put
it
in
the
terms,
and
we
quote
them
in
the
report-
use
the
words.
Maybe
so
it
wasn't
a
definitive,
but
they
used
the
words,
maybe
and
but
I
think
you
know
from
a
common
sense
point
of
view.
You
know
you
look
at
that
and
you
think
well
actually.
Yes,
that
would
be
to
main
maintain
something
as
a
single
entity
without
human
intervention
would
be
the
best
nature
conservation,
biodiversity
solution,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
it's
the
best
planning
solution,
as
it
were.
J
J
However,
when
you
look
at
the
planning
policy,
the
relevant
planning
policy-
and
you
judge
the
nature
conservation
officer
comments
against
that.
That
means,
from
an
officer
perspective,
we're
happy
to
stick
with
the
original
recommendation
that
it's
a
recommendation
to
Grant
planning
permission
and
I'll.
Just
take
you
through
this
very
quickly,
because
the
the
key
policy
is
G
G9
and
the
core
strategy
which
deals
with
biodiversity
matters
and
improvements,
and
that
policy
says
well.
J
Development
will
be
required
to
demonstrate,
firstly
that
there
will
be
an
overall
net
gain
for
biodiversity,
including
a
positive
contribution
to
the
habitat
Network
through
habitat
protection
creation
and
enhancement.
J
J
So
that's
maintained,
there
is
substantial,
so
additional
planting
that's
proposed
and
are
referred
to
the
extra
31
extra
heavy
standard
trees,
as
well
as
general
landscaping
and
the
number
of
whip
trees
which
are
actually
going
to
to
go
in
there.
I
think
we'd
have
to
also
have
regards
the
historical
position
that
there
was
a
car
park
there
and
within
that
car
park,
that
area
wasn't
fenced
off,
so
people
could
access
it
so
they're
in
theory
at
least
that
error
has
historically
been
accessible
to
to
people.
J
So
we
put
a
condition
on
about
landscape
and
Woodland
management
as
it
were,
and
that
would
be
to
well
it's
detailed
in
the
report,
but
matters
such
as
providing
offense
to
clearly
distinguish
between
that
area
and
the
immediate
areas
at
the
back
of
the
property
to
have
a
management
plan
which
would
include
no
lighting,
no
structures
leaving
of
dead
wood,
Etc,
no
introduction
of
non-native
species,
those
sort
of
measures.
J
So
we
do
have
some
control
through
the
imposition
of
of
a
condition
and
there's
a
mechanism
there
that
the
developer
would
need
to
pass
that
on,
and
it
would
also
be
passed
on
to
successors
in
title.
So
members
would
have
to
have
regard
to
that
so
in
in
that
broader
perspective
and
looking
at
the
immunity
of
value
that
it
also
contributes
to
any
future
occupiers.
J
So
I
think
that
probably
covers
all
the
points
that
I
wanted
to
cover
and
hopefully
reminds
members
of
the
of
the
nature
scheme.
So
I
don't
think.
Well,
we
we
don't
have
speakers.
So
it's
open
to
questions
and
chat.
A
Right
any
questions
for
for
David,
yes,
buddy.
J
J
Well,
what
I
could
say
is
that
obviously
the
reports
as
it
goes
through
and
the
the
conditions
that
you
see
in
front
of
your
headline
conditions
the
reports
that
go
through
legal
when
they're
checked
now,
if
it
gives
members
Comfort
the
precise
wording
of
that
condition.
Of
course,
we
can
agree
with
legal
authorities.
You
know
well,
in
fact,
we
could
do
with
the
old
decision
notice
before
it
is
issued.
I
I'll,
let
you
off
last
time
we
discussed
I
noticed
you
got
a
condition
on
Boundary
treatment.
Last
time
we
raised
specific
issue,
I
think
it
was
myself
and
Council
Flinch
around
the
it
was
proposed
to
be
a
fence
between
the
site
and
the
old
car
of
the
car
park.
That's
existing
and
I
thought
we
suggested
a
stone
wall
that
would
be
similar
materials
to
the
to
the
houses.
I
I
can't
quite
work
out
on
the
drawing
here.
Is
that
now
to
be
planted
or
is
it
still
going
to
be
a
fence
or
the
taken
apart?
Suggestions
of
of
stone
or
brick.
J
The
discussion
on
where
we
had
with
the
developer
was
that
that
should
be
fenced
and
lands
was
a
fence
and
Landscaping
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
a
stone
wall,
but
if
members
have
a
particularly
strong
view
on
on
that,
we
can
revisit
that
with.
We
can
revisit
that
with
the
with
the
applicants,
but
the
intention
was
for
something
of
a
nature
for
close
War
defense
with
hedge
planting,
along
it,
foreign.
E
Yeah,
so
just
on
119,
it's
a
bit
difficult.
This
is
two
two
levels
of
document,
so
119
talks
about
the
construction
traffic
and
obviously,
there's
concern
for
the
residents
of
29
that
about
any
impact
of
traffic
on
the
foundations
of
that
property
and
I.
Think
there's
going
to
be
some
investigations
on
that.
Can
we
think
about
a
10
10
mile
an
hour
limit
I
mean
it's
a
very
short
road,
so
probably
10
miles,
my
mph
might
be
feasible.
E
The
other
point
is
on
paragraph
11
on
the
first
page
84..
It
talks
about
existing
drainage
being
would
be
unaffected
by
the
development
as
the
drains
were
now
the
responsibility
of
Yorkshire
water
and
would
probably
be
incorporated
in
the
proposed
drainage
scheme
once
built,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
117
the
appendix
which
talks
about
the
foul
water
drainage
and
what's
how
that's
dealt
with?
E
How
do
the
those
two
things
relate
to
each
other,
because
I
think
we'd
want
to
make
sure
it
wasn't
just
probably
incorporated
into
the
responsibility
of
Yorkshire
water,
but
it
was
definitely
Incorporated.
J
Yeah
this
was
raised.
Yes,
we
did
raise
this
with
with
the
developer.
The
developer
came
back
and
said
that
their
first
further
investigation
revealed
that
the
there's
the
drainage
was
owned
or
forward
in
the
responsibility
of
Yorkshire
water
that
any
development
that
took
place,
though
regulations
in
places
that
were
to
and
protect
the
Integrity
of
that
which,
for
with
Yorkshire
water
to
actually
in
enforce.
J
So
that
was
the
position
that
we
we'd
got
to
in
terms
of
the
position
of
comfort
that
there
were
Provisions
in
place
to
protect
the
Integrity
of
of
that
that
drainage
in
terms
of
the
access
road
and
was
I
presume
just
talk
about
that
short
stretch
of
Access
Road
between
29
and
31.
In
terms
of
a
speed
limit
yeah,
it's
probably
something
well
I!
Guess
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
for
them
to
get
up
to
much
speed
along
there.
J
But
yes,
I
mean
it's
something
that
we
can
look
at
either
in
the
the
design
or
the
management
construction
to
minimize
the
speed
of
traffic
make
it
safe,
but
also
to
protect
the
amenities
of
of
the
neighbors
as
as
well
and
on
that
point
things
that
we
talked
about
were
actually
putting
up
of
cheating,
either
side
of
the
access
to
suppress
or
protect
the
residents
from
from
dust
emissions,
Etc
and
no
sort
of
air
pollutants.
Lisa.
D
Yeah
we
can.
We
can
wrap
that
up
into
the
construction
management
plan,
which
is
one
of
the
conditions,
so
we
could
specify
that,
but,
as
I
think
David
already
said,
I
think
it'd
be
quite
hard
to
get
really
high
speed
along
there.
Given
that
you've
got
to
turn
in
it's
a
very
short
element
of
road,
but
certainly
we
can
make
sure
that
it's
you
know
would
just
be
to
maintained
through
the
construction
management
plan.
E
Just
on
the
issue
of
the
the
wall,
it
would
seem
that
probably
there's
quite
a
bit
of
rain
water
that
could
come
down
from
the
hill,
Hillside
and
so
I
if
there,
if
it
was
a
fence
with
a
gap
underneath
or
I,
don't
know
what
the
drainage
would
be
like,
but
that
might
be
a
consideration.
D
Thanks
chair
I
realized
last
time
about
the
access
between
29
and
31
and
the
fact
that
there
was
no
path
on
page
83.8.
It
says
at
the
end
it
was
agreed
with
the
council
that
a
shared
surface
was
appropriate.
Is
that
the
blocked
Paving
that
you
mentioned
all
right.
I
I
think
has
done
our
brick
wall,
who
would
be
preferable
as
a
boundary
treatment.
Further
to
my
question
and
the
reason
for
that
was,
if
you
remember
last
time,
we
heard
of
comments
about
social
behavior
and
the
like
in
the
car
park
and
I
I
can
see
an
obvious
issue
with
a
wood
fence
which
air
is
going
to
deteriorate
over
time.
I
There'll
be
maintenance
to
that
and
I
can
see
in
15
years
time
attending
this
site
and
seeing
the
the
award
as
rotten
are
being
kicked
in
or
satellite
or
something
and
the
Hedge
has
been
cut
through.
So
although
it
will
be
more
costly,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
Aesthetics,
a
sternar
brick
wall
in
the
same
material
as
a
house,
Etc
would
look
quite
good
and
also
serve
a
purpose
in
terms
of
amenity.
D
Just
adding
to
councilor
Stevenson's
point
on
the
stone
wall
as
opposed
to
a
more
fluid
wall.
Should
we
say
with
it
coming
off
a
car
park,
there
will
be
headlights
evenings
weekends,
winter
time
and
they
could
disturb
the
properties,
so
a
stone
wall
or
brick
wall
would
would
stop
that.
J
Okay,
yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
listen
listening
to
what
members
are
saying,
we
would
certainly
first
off
agree
the
list
of
conditions
with,
and
the
wording
and
detail
wording
with
list
of
conditions
with
legal
that
we
would
beef
up
the
construction
management
plan
to
restrict
speed
along
the
the
access
between
29
and
and
30,
and
that
we'd
impose
a
condition
on
any
planning
permission
granted.
A
But,
based
on
the
summary
provided,
does
someone
wants
to
move
the
motion?
Could
I
have
a
proposal
and
seconded
right?
Thank
you,
Paul.
Thank
you.
Council
Smith,
four.