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A
A
discussion
with
the
chair
of
the
safeguard
the
the
independent
chair
of
the
safeguarding
children's
partnership.
Following
that
discussion
and
further
discussions
with
the
director,
the
executive
member
and
the
chief
executive
of
the
council
and
others,
I
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
bring
this
item
to
the
board.
Today.
You've
received
a
late
paper
around
notification
of
serious
incidents
review.
A
In
order
to
understand
the
context
and
set
the
framework,
I've
asked
rebecca
roberts
to
come
to
the
board
and
rebecca
will
introduce
herself
and
her
role,
and
what
I'm
hoping
rebecca
will
just
talk
us
through
is
what
the
notification
process
is.
What
the
recent
changes
are
around
that,
and
also
to
explain
to
the
board
what
the
what
the
members
of
the
partnership
have
to
consider
when
they're
looking
at
a
particular
case,
so
that
we
can
understand
all
of
those
things.
A
B
And
hopefully,
members
have
already
had
the
opportunity
to
read
the
report
in
anticipation
of
this
morning's
meeting
and
in
accordance
with
what
council
alam
has
just
said,
I
hope
to
be
able
to
just
flesh
out
a
little
bit
more
information
about
the
legal
framework
that
is
referred
to
in
that
document.
B
As
mentioned
in
the
report,
sir
alan
wood
undertook
a
review
of
local
safeguarding
boards
and
their
arrangements
back
in
2015,
and
that
review
was
published
in
2016
and
made
various
recommendations
for
what,
in
effect,
would
hopefully
make
local
safeguarding
children's
boards
more
effective
and
with
the
review,
came
legislative
changes
to
the
children
act,
2004,
which
was
the
previous
piece
of
legislation
that
introduced
safeguarding
boards.
That
act
was
amended
by
the
children
and
social
work
act
in
2017
and
introduced
a
new
framework
to
support
the
delivery
of
multi-agency
services
to
protect
and
safeguard
children.
B
As
a
result
of
any
notifications
that
were
made
to
the
national
panel,
the
reporting
of
these
incidents
is
one
of
the
new
responsibilities
under
the
act,
which
places
the
duty
on
local
authorities
in
accordance
with
section
16
of
the
children
act
and
the
local
authority,
where
it
knows
or
suspects
a
child
has
been
or
abused
or
neglected,
must
notify
the
national
panel.
If
that
child
has
died
or
has
been
seriously
harmed
either
the
child
is
in
its
area
or,
if
normally
resident
in
its
area,
it
either
dies
or
is
seriously
harmed
somewhere
outside
england.
B
B
Partners
are
then
tasked
with
the
job
of
deciding
whether
or
not
the
learning
that
they
have
gathered
within
the
course
of
that
15-day.
Rapid
review
is
sufficient
to
implement
any
learning
or
whether
further
learning
is
required,
perhaps
in
the
context
of
what
is
called
a
child,
a
child
safeguarding
practice
review
and
the
criteria
for
the
partners
to
apply
one.
B
When
considering
this
next
step
is
also
set
out
in
the
children
act,
and
there
is
quite
a
long
list
of
criteria
that
the
partners
must
consider
when
they
are
deciding
whether
or
not
to
come
to
commission
a
child
safeguarding
practice
review,
and
it
may
well
be
that
they
do
commission
a
local
child
safeguarding
practice
review.
But
they
also
have
to
consider
whether
or
not
they
should
refer
to
national
panel.
The
need
for
a
national
review
to
take
place,
one
which
may
involve
themes
that
will
could
affect
other
local
authorities
and
there
be
of
national
importance.
B
B
So
the
new
arrangements
have
been
in
place
in
leeds
since
september
2019
and
since
then
there
have
been
six
notifications
involving
suspected
abuse
or
neglect,
and
one
notification
which
did
not
currently
the
lscp
is
undertaking
three
of
those
child
safeguarding
practice.
Reviews
that
I've
just
previously
mentioned,
including
one
review
where
no
notification
was
made,
and
the
review
and
advisory
subgroup
of
the
lscp
is
also
currently
overseeing
10.
Other
cases
where
the
criteria
for
a
notification
was
not
deemed
to
have
been
met,
but
learning
could
still
be
gathered.
A
And
yes,
please
rebecca
would
be
really
helpful
if
you
could
just
talk
the
board
through
what
the
partners
have
to
consider
when
they
are
looking
at
one
of
these
cases
and
deciding
whether
or
not
to
make
a
notification.
B
Gladly
thank
you
councillor
and
apologies
for
having
swiftly
glossed
over,
that
particular
part
of
the
process
and
the
collective
consideration
that
the
partners
must
consider
at
that
point
once
the
notification
has
been
made
and
the
rapid
review
has
taken
place.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
that's
very
helpful,
so
I
just
want
to
check
at
this
point
if
anyone's
got
any
specific
questions
about
what
they've
heard
from
rebecca
before
we
go
into
that,
so
I've
got
council
stevenson
and
councillor
lay.
C
Thank
you,
chet,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
information
there
thank
you,
but
for
us
sitting
here,
it's
quite
a
lot
to
take
in.
Could
you
just
repeat
for
the
board,
please
the
I
think
you
said
it
was
section
16
c
of
the
children's
act,
the
the
that
sets
out
when
the
referral
to
the
children's
safeguarding
panel
should
be
made.
Could
you
read
that
again,
please.
B
Yes,
I
beg
your
pardon
counselor.
An
awful
lot
of
information
has
been
provided
to
the
committee
this
morning,
but
yes,
when
the
local
authority,
whose
duty
it
is
to
consider
whether
or
not
a
notification
should
be
made,
that's
in
accordance
with
16c
of
the
children
act,
2004
and
where
it
knows
or
suspects
a
child
has
been
abused
or
neglected.
B
Yes,
it
does
counselor
that
definition
of
serious
harm
is
also
contained
within
the
2004
act,
also
within
section
c,
and
is
about
as
I'm
going
to
quote
it
to.
If
I
may,.
A
Thank
you,
chair
ryan,
asked
the
same
questions
I
was
going
to
ask
just
one
other
note
of
clarification.
Can
I
just
be
clear
in
my
mind
when
you
said
six
notifications,
six
notifications,
you
meant
sickness
notifications
by
this
local
authority
to
the
to
the
review
board.
A
Okay,
have
you
managed
to
find
the
bit
that
we're
looking
for
or
shall
I
come
back
to
you
in.
A
No
problem:
okay!
Well,
if
you
could,
let
me
know
when
we've
got
it
and
we'll
we'll
come
back
to
that,
so
we
can
keep
going.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
jaspinder
to
come
in
next
and
just
to
to
set
the
context.
My
understanding
is-
and
I
I
think
it's
the
first
time
justifying
has
been
to
to
our
board
so
you're
very
welcome
and
it's
good
to
have
you
with
us
today.
A
My
understanding
is
that
jazvinder
raised
concerns
about
the
process
around
notification
in
the
authority,
in
I
think,
perhaps
sometime
between
february
and
september
last
year.
My
strong
view
is
those
concerns
should
have
been
brought
to
this
board
sooner.
I've
expressed
that
to
the
director
and
executive
member
already
and
I
th
well.
A
They
will
speak
for
themselves
shortly
and
I'm
concerned
that
that
didn't
happen,
but
that's
a
a
separate
issue,
but
so
chas
vinda,
if
you
could
perhaps
out
like
introduce
yourself
and
then
outline
what
you've
come
to
say.
Please.
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
invitation
I
think
I'll
just
start
by
introducing
myself
and
for
people
who
maybe
have
tuned
in
that
are
lay
people
that
don't
know
much
about
my
role
as
well
as
rebecca
says,
I
was
appointed
in
2019
as
the
independent
safeguarding
chair,
I'm
accountable
to
the
three
statutory
partners.
D
My
role
is,
I
see
as
ensuring
that
the
multi-agency
safeguarding
arrangements
do
what
they
say.
They
should
be
doing.
They're,
effective
and
they're
safe
for
our
children,
and
that
I
represent
partners,
but
also
represent
children,
and
part
of
my
role
is
to
ensure
that
I'm
independent
I'm
objective
and
that
where
there
is
a
need
for
challenge
that
I
do
challenge
and
within
that
role,
the
ability
to
ensure
that
we
are
representing
the
voice
of
children
is
key
to
everything
that
I
do
so.
That's
where
I
see
my
role
so
the
role
of
scrutiny.
D
I
take
very
seriously
with
respect
to
this
being
here
today.
I
actually
raised
concerns
in
to
be
correct
in
august
last
year
that
I
was
not
assured
about
the
notification
practice
and
systems
across
the
city.
D
I
raised
that,
on
the
basis
that
I
chair
the
review
advisory
group,
the
review
advisory
group
is
made
up
of
three
partners
and
rebecca
also
attends
as
legal
advisor.
We
have
representatives
from
health,
police
and
social
care
children's
services
there,
so
the
review
advisory
group
deals
with
the
most
serious
cases
of
vulnerable
children.
Those
are
serious
harm,
those
to
be
considered
for
notifications,
and
I
was
concerned
that
within
the
group
at
times,
partners
will
come
to
the
table
and
share
their
concerns
and
give
a
view,
and
the
word
rebecca
used.
D
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
collective
consideration,
albeit
the
local
authority
have
the
duty
to
notify
a
national
panel.
The
importance
of
partnership
is
key
here,
and
that
is
why
we
have
multi-agency
arrangements.
We
have
to
work
in
partnership
with
safeguard
children,
young
people,
so
we
will
sit
at
that
table.
D
I
will
chair
it:
I'm
not
a
decision
maker
in
there,
it's
up
to
the
partners
to
come
up
with
the
conclusions
of
whether
something
is
to
be
considered
a
serious
harm
taken
in
the
definition
within
that
definition,
just
to
say
that
serious
harm
we
have
to
consider
any
long-term
impairment
on
a
child's
mental
health
and
their
well-being,
etc.
I'm
sure
rebecca
will
read
that
out
in
a
little
while.
D
My
concern
was
also
highlighted
to
the
point
where
I
invited
ani
hudson,
who
chairs
the
national
panel,
so
that
is
a
the
national
panel
that
sits
within
in
government,
and
she
did
come
to
a
meeting
with
many
members
of
our
safeguarding
partners
to
have
a
conversation
to
talk
about
how
we
should
be
considering
collectively
what
is
serious
as
opposed
to
not
serious
harm,
and
within
that
space
we
should
all
be
applying
our
judgments
within
that
space
as
well
and
the
point
she
also
made
in
the
meeting
was
she
made
this
point
to
quote:
annie
hudson,
not
me
that
I
as
chair,
should
consider
why
leeds
is
an
outlier
compared
to
other
cities.
D
With
respect
to
notifications,
that
was
her
point
made
to
me,
so
that
made
me
come
back
and
look
at
the
systems
more
closely
and
without
going
into
case
specifics
right
here.
Chair
one
case
did
concern
me
seriously
and
on
the
basis
of
that,
I
did
meet
with
not
meet,
as
in
zoom
me
conversation
with
the
chief
executive
of
the
city
council.
D
I
also
came
to
the
exec
and
raised
my
concerns
and
on
the
basis
of
that,
there
was
an
agreement
to
have
a
review
into
the
notification
systems
which
we
are
having
now,
which
I'm
hoping
should
be
completed
by
the
end
of
march.
So
without
getting
into
kind
of
what
the
practice
issues
are,
I
mean
that's
my
introduction.
A
So,
thank
you,
justfinder.
I
think
that
that's
really
helpful
so
again
for
the
the
board's
benefits.
I'm
concerned
that
all
of
this
has
been
going
on,
a
review
is
being
undertaken.
A
Serious
concerns
have
been
raised
by
the
independent
chair
and
neither
myself
as
the
chair
of
the
board,
or
this
board
knew
that
any
of
this
was
going
on,
which
I
find
unacceptable.
But
we
will
come
to
that
shortly.
My
normal
custom
is
to
open
questions
to
the
board
at
this
point
because
of
the
nature
of
some
of
the
questions
need
to
be
asked.
A
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
ask
them
first
on
this
occasion
and
because
there
is
a
possibility,
I'm
going
to
refer
to
something
which
is
in
the
public
domain,
but
there
is
a
potential
that
it
could
identify
an
individual,
and
so
I'm
going
to
propose
to
the
board
that
to
be
able
to
ask
the
first
two
questions.
A
I
want
to
ask
of
just
vinda
that
we
resolve
to
exclude
the
present
public
from
the
meeting
and
shut
down
the
webcast
and
go
into
a
private
session
so
that
we
can
ask
the
question
and
hear
the
answers,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
for
context
for
the
board
to
do
that.
So
I
put
that
to
the
board
that
we
resolve
to
go
into
a
private
session,
everybody
in
agreement,
okay,
so
for
the
benefits
of
people
watching
at
home
on
the
council's
youtube
channel.
A
I
understand
there
are
two
meetings
for,
for
this
part,
one
and
part
two
part
one
is
about
to
end
and
in
hopefully
the
shortest
amount
of
time
possible.
Part
two
will
begin.
So
if
I
can
ask
for
the
webcast
to
be
turned
off-
and
I
will
have
to
ask
I'm
afraid
any
members.