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From YouTube: Leeds City Council - Infrastructure, Investment & Inclusive Growth Scrutiny Board 17th February 2022
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A
A
Okay,
good
morning,
everyone
members
of
the
board,
in
particular,
welcome
to
the
february
meeting
of
this
board
I'll
start
by
asking
members
of
the
board
to
introduce
themselves.
I
won't
ask
the
officer
at
this
stage
until
we
reach
the
relevant
point
on
the
agenda,
so
starting
with
you
councillor,
martin.
B
A
I'm
just
waiting
to
see
whether
moe
would
like
to
very
quickly
introduce
this
I'll
move
on.
Okay,
moving
to
the
agenda
item
proper,
a
gender
item,
one
appeals,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
gender
item
to
exclusion
of
the
public.
There
are
no
items
for
which
this
is
applicable,
late
items.
There
are
no
late
items
declaration
of
interest,
I'm
assuming
that
any
members
who
do
have
a
pecuniary
interest
or
other
interests
will
have
declared
them
agenda
item
five.
Apologies.
We
do
have
an
apology,
as
I
say,
for
councillor
hussein
and
councillor.
Gibson
is
substituting.
A
We've
also
had
notification
this
morning
that
councillor
goddard
is
unwell
and
we
obviously
wish
him
a
speedy
recovery.
So
moving
on
to
agenda
item
six,
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
of
the
19th
of
january,
that's
on
page
five
and
in
usual
fashion,
I'll
go
through
and
page
my
page.
If
there
are
any
corrections
or
any
matters
arising,
please
shout
out,
as
I
go
through
the
individual
pages,
so
page
five.
A
A
A
Page
11
page
12
and
page
13.,
so
if
there
are
no
corrections,
no
matter
arising
our
board
members
content
for
me
to
sign
these
as
a
correct
record
of
that
meeting
right.
Thank
you.
Very
much
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
7,
which
is
the
annual
update
of
the
local
flood
risk
management
strategy,
just
very
quickly
to
remind
members
that
we
do
have
a
corporate
duty
every
year
to
look
at
this
particular
document.
A
So
it's
one
of
those
that's
landed
on
our
agenda
from
above,
if
I
can
put
it
that
way,
rather
than
one
that
we
necessarily
choose
to
put
on
the
agenda.
But
it's
always,
I
think,
a
very
interesting
issue,
especially
in
the
past,
when
we've
been
meeting
in
the
aftermath
of
some
rather
savage
storms
and
I'm
going
to
ask
jonathan
to
introduce
himself
in
a
second,
and
perhaps
one
of
the
first
questions
he
could
answer
is
whether
there's
been
any
impact
of
the
weather
over
the
last
few
weeks,
and
particularly
this
week.
H
Thank
you,
councillor
truswell.
Yes,
I'm
jonathan
moxon,
I'm
the
council's
flood
risk
manager
is
that
coming
through,
okay,
yeah,
okay.
H
H
We
only
refresh
that
fully
as
a
strategy
every
six
years,
but
we
do
as
council
trustwell
said,
we
bring
it
here
to
scrutiny
every
year,
just
to
provide
an
update
on
the
activities
that
we've
done
and
obviously
any
key
incidents
or
issues
that
have
arisen
in
that
year,
as
well.
H
So
I'll
I'll
run
through
that
when
I
go
through
the
the
slides
and
then
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
the
report
itself,
would
you
like
me
to
touch
then
on
the
sort
of
recent
storms
and
and
whether
first
before
I
do
the
slides,
I
a
bit
nervous
saying
this,
but
I
think
it's
been
okay.
H
So
that's
always
yeah
we're
always
a
little
worried
in
flood
risk
management,
saying
too
much
about
the
weather,
but
actually
yeah
the
current
storm
and
the
next
storm
storm
units
that
will
come
through
on
friday
that
they're
named
storms
because
of
the
wind.
That's
how
the
met
office
stills
tend
to
name
their
storms.
It's
due
to
the
strength
of
the
wind,
and
this
is
they've
both
uk
named
storms
they're.
H
Not
always
so
you
might
have
seen
different
names
in
recent
weeks
that
were
named
by
say
the
irish
met
office
or
the
dutch
met
office.
So
it
depends
on
where
the
storm
was
first
named
as
a
storm,
and
then
it
might
subsequently
hit
the
uk
or
it
could
generate
and
just
just
affect
the
uk
just
so
yeah.
H
I
think
it
sometimes
feels
like
a
mystery
to
people
why
they're
called
certain
names
like
dudley,
but
that
those
names
are
set
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
but
they're
only
used
if
the
storm
actually
is
a
uk
generated
storm.
But
it's
it's
mainly
wind
effects
this
time,
so
there
can
be
knock-on
effects
to
flood
risk
if
we've
got
trees
and
debris
and
watercourses.
H
Obviously,
we've
we've
two
very
important
pieces
of
infrastructure
in
the
city
centre
that
are
movable
we
use
if
we
get
large
trees
on
the
weirs.
That's
a
significant
problem
for
the
city,
so
we
watch
the
weather
whether
it's
raining
or
it's
windy,
we're
always
watching
what's
going
on,
but
at
the
moment
the
city's
in
a
decent,
decent
state
from
a
flood
risk
perspective.
H
Okay,
next
slide,
please.
H
Thank
you.
I've
included
a
slide
here
that
just
tries
to
sort
of
zoom
out
and
look
at
global
impacts
of
climate
change,
so
I
think
I'd
like
to
probably
talk
through
flood
risk
management
in
the
context
of
climate
resilience
and
adaptation.
So
we
talk
a
lot
about
net
zero
and
the
targets
around
reducing
carbon
emissions,
but
the
impacts
that
climate
change
will
have
will
be
very
significant
around
the
impacts
that
we
feel
in
terms
of
weather,
related
and
climate
related
risks
and
flood
risk
is
the
biggest
climate
risk
that
was
city
faces.
H
All
this
slide
really
demonstrates
is
that,
just
just
within
the
last
30
40
years,
we've
seen
a
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
meteorological
storms
or
weather-related
storms
in
green
and
then
hydrological
events
are
what
we
would
call
a
flood
or
a
sort
of
significant
mass
movement
of
water
and
they're,
the
blue
ones.
So
it
was
just
to
highlight
that
next
slide.
Please.
H
G
H
Thank
you
so
focus
more
on
leads
now,
and
this
is
we.
We
have
the
ability
to
to
monitor
and
track
rainfall
across
the
city.
We
have
a
system
called
map
rain
that
provides
us
with
really
detailed
assessment
of
rainfall
in
the
city,
and
then
we
map
that
each
month
against
the
long-term
average
in
the
in
the
u
in
england
and
northern
england.
So
it's
just
to
highlight
really
what
the
last
12
months
have
been
like.
H
What
I
would
say
is
the
sort
of
january
and
then
and
may
figures
are
actually
very
high.
If
you
can
see
that
in
comparison
to
long-term
average,
we
we
didn't
see,
we
did
see
large
impacts
in
january,
and
it's
probably
not
that
obvious
to
see
from
the
grid.
H
But
the
big
difference
we
see
is
that
if
the
preceding
months
have
been
very
wet,
then
then
a
heavier
rainfall
in
that
month
does
create
large-scale
problems
across
the
city
and
one
month
on
its
own,
so
say
may,
when
it's
been
surrounded
by
drier
months,
then
that
buffers
that
impact.
So
it's
quite
important
to
sort
of
look
at
that
that
one
month
on
its
own
of
high
rainfall
doesn't
necessarily
have
very
big
impacts
in
the
city.
It's
that
cumulative
effect
and
I'll
touch
on
that
a
little
bit
later.
H
If
you
cast
your
minds
back
to
2015
on
boxing
day
when
we
had
catastrophic,
you
know
biggest
flood
we've
seen
in
leeds
in
history
that
was
months
of
rain.
You
know
that
wasn't
a
single
day.
It
wasn't
boxing
day
being
really
wet.
That
was
months
of
rain
that
had
a
cumulative
effect.
So
it's
just
to
highlight
that
difference
overall
last
year
has
actually
been
a
relatively
average
uneventful
year,
but
we
did
have
a
number
of
events
in
february
and
we're
still
sort
of
dealing
with
the
after
effects
of
them.
H
We
capture
incident
data,
so
this
is
just
a
flag.
This
sort
of
this
is
the
type
of
granular
data
that
we
hold,
so
we
track
that
by
month
we
can
compare
year
to
year,
so
there
you
can
see
2021
been
relatively
significant,
higher,
probably
fifth
highest
year,
that
we've
had.
H
But
when
you
compare
that
against
2015,
the
bulk
of
those
incidents
were
from
that
festive
period
and
whereas
2021
you
can
see
there,
the
bulk
of
those
incidents
were
in
february,
so
that
was,
I
was
gonna,
say
it
was
stormcare,
but
it
wasn't
that
was
that
was
the
year
before
it
was
actually
not
a
named
storm,
but
it
was
actually
extremely
significant
in
terms
of
its
incident.
So
next
one
please.
H
H
In
recent
weeks,
incidents
can
range
in
severity,
from
internal
flooding
being
the
most
significant
thing
we
would
record
through
to
sort
of
nuisance,
flooding
of
the
highway
or
nuisance
flooding
of
gardens
and
outside
areas,
and
what
I'm
trying
to
show
here
is
there,
aren't
that
many
parts
of
our
city
that
don't
receive
the
impacts
of
flooding
so
and-
and
you
probably
see
that
that
as
many
ward
members
are
in
touch
with
my
team
about
flooding
on
a
regular
basis-
and
it
is
quite
widespread-
we
do
have
concentrated
areas
around
the
north
west
in
the
southeast
of
the
city
and
maybe
along
the
sort
of
wurtly
and
white
vet
corridors,
but
actually
other
than
that
surface
water
risk
is,
is
present
all
across
the
city.
H
I
also
want
just
to
highlight
that
one
of
the
biggest
areas
of
influence
that
we
have
is
in
the
planning
system-
and
I
think
often
people's
initial
response
is
that
development
is
bad
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
we
put
that
in
context
that
actually,
as
a
flood
risk
manager,
the
biggest
tool,
I
think
I've
got
in
influence
in
development
and
reducing
flood
risk
in
the
cities
is
probably
not
the
100
million
pound
flood
scheme
that
we're
currently
implementing
along
the
cursor
corridor.
H
It's
the
many
many
hundreds
of
millions
of
pounds
that
developers
are
spending
developing
the
city
that
we
we
have
to
assure
and
and
and
in
effect
mark
the
work
of
the
developers
with
respect
to
their
flood
risk
plans.
So
I
have
a
development
control
team
that
technically
assess
all
the
drainage
plans
and
flood
risk
assessments
for
every
development
across
the
city,
so
just
highlighting
there
we
get
sometimes
as
many
as
200
applications
to
assess
in
a
month.
Some
of
them
are
small,
but
some
of
them
are
many
hundreds
of
houses.
H
You
know
hundreds
of
houses
on
one
development,
and
so
it's
it's
a
huge
role
that
we
play
and,
in
my
opinion
I
think,
that's
the
biggest
tool
that
we've
got
in
our
armoury
next
one,
please
just
just
to
sort
of
recap
on
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done
in
the
last
12
months.
The
picture
there
is
is
construction
of
the
weirs
on
phase
one
of
the
flood
alleviation
scheme
in
the
city
centre.
H
That's
at
nostrop
they're
now
complete,
but
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
this
this
year,
using
diving
contractors
in
quite
difficult
conditions,
just
to
continue
to
improve
the
technology
that
we
use.
So
knowing
the
height
of
the
weir,
both
in
peacetime
and
in
a
flood,
is
critical
to
the
success
of
of
what
the
ways
are
there
to
do.
H
So
they're
raised
normally
to
allow
navigation
through
the
city
center,
and
then
we
lower
the
weirs
by
letting
the
air
out
of
the
rubber
bladders
in
in
a
flood
to
create
more
space,
and
the
blue
box
in
the
bottom
corner
is
a
little
piece
of
kit.
That's
caused
us
lots
of
problems
in
recent
months
and
that's
called
an
inclinometer
and
it's
a
posh
way
of
just
telling
us
what
the
height
of
the
gate
is.
H
But
if
you
can
imagine
that
there's
three
meters
of
water
over
the
top
of
that
gear,
at
least
in
a
flood-
and
it's
quite
difficult
to
make
sure
that
we
know
for
a
fact
what
it's
doing.
So
it's
a
really
important
piece
of
kit.
So
we've
been
doing
some
modifications
to
make
sure
that
that
piece
of
equipment
is
heavily
protected
and
it
works
in
every
circumstance
and
to
do
that,
we've
had
to
make
some
modifications
to
the
scheme
and
we've
done
that
with
diving
contractors,
which
is
quite
involved.
H
But
it
shows
the
sort
of
extent
to
which
we
have
to
look
after
these
key
pieces
of
infrastructure.
The
top
two
pictures
on
the
on
the
right:
we
don't
ride
around
with
tablets.
I
just
picked
a
picture,
but
it's
just
to
emphasize
that
we
do
do
inspections
now
and
we're
trying
the
technology
mobile
technology
so
that
we're
trying
to
be
a
little
bit
more
efficient
and
we're
capturing
information
on
the
fly
and
what
it
means
is
the
beck
inspectors
that
we
have.
H
Looking
at
all
the
watercourses
across
the
city
have
got
access
to
the
latest
incident
data
and
asset
data,
while
they're
out
on
site
we're
only
trialing
them
at
the
minute,
but
it
is
actually
proving
to
be
extremely
important,
and
I
think
I
think
it's
something
we
really
want
to
see
happen
in
the
future.
H
We've
just
moved
to
a
quite
sophisticated
asset
management
system
called
amx,
and
I
think
it
will.
You
know:
it'll
underpin
a
lot
of
the
investment
decisions
that
we
make
around
our
assets
in
future
and
make
sure
that
we're
sort
of
taking
a
risk-based
approach
to
managing
watercourses.
Like
the
picture
that
you
can
see
there
next
one
please
just
to
highlight
some
recent
schemes
I
I
will
have
touched
on
this
previously,
but
the
scheme
at
killingbeck
represents
the
type
of
flood
infrastructure
that
we're
really
keen
to
see.
H
So
when
it's
not
flooding,
it's
a
really
nice
part
of
that
part
of
the
city
and
when
it
needs
to
flood
it
does
and
it
feels
full
of
water
and
then
it
drains
away
gradually
protecting
the
communities
downstream.
So
this
is
a
really
good
example
of
the
type
of
scheme
that
we
really
want
to
see.
It
might
be
animated
this
one
becky,
so
you
might
have
to
see.
H
I
think
the
blue
bit
fills
in
just
the
image
at
the
bottom
is:
is
the
infrastructure,
so
we,
I
know
it
doesn't
get
any
more
exciting
than
I'm
afraid,
but
the
the
big
structure
in
the
middle
is
greened
up
a
lot
now
it
doesn't
quite
look
as
concrete
and
filled,
but
ultimately
that
is
a
reservoir
embankment.
H
It
is
under
the
supervision
of
a
qualified
panel
engineer,
so
we
do
have
the
proper
engineering
technical
infrastructure
there,
but
ultimately
we
we
did
focus
on
the
green
infrastructure
and
the
way
that
people
use
that
area
as
well.
Next,
one
please,
this
is
a
scheme
that
we
only
completed
just
before
christmas.
So
in
the
slide
pack
there
is
a
link
to
watch
a
video
that
explains
the
scheme
in
more
detail.
It's
not
that
obvious
from
the
picture,
but
ultimately,
we've
built
an
embankment
for
anybody
who's
familiar
with
the
flooding
at
bilum
hill
in
otley.
H
It's
happened
a
lot
of
times
in
recent
years,
just
58.
I
think
there
was
58
properties
in
it,
and
a
couple
of
businesses
were
really
badly
affected
on
boxing
day
2015.
you
imagine,
having
your
christmas
presents
in
your
lounge
floating
around
in
flood
water.
It
was
horrendous
for
that
community
and
the
mechanism
for
their
that
flooding.
In
that
event,
we
will
protect
against
a
flood
of
that
size
with
this
flood
scheme.
So
it's
just
over
four
and
a
half
million
pounds
of
investment.
H
We've
we've
had
to
be
really
innovative
in
the
way
that
we've
attracted
funding
for
this
scheme.
It's
a
really
tight
and
small
site,
but
we've
managed
to
maintain
public
access
throughout
the
works
this
below
ground,
because
it's
sat
on
sands
and
gravels
is
actually
15
meter
length,
steel,
piles
in
the
ground,
but
above
ground.
H
It
looks
like
a
fairly
small
earth
embankment
with
some
nice
grassed
areas,
and
I
think
what
we're
hoping
is
that
it's
quite
a
nice
area
for
the
community
to
use
when
it's
finished,
but
when
it's
in
flood
it
will
do
its
job
and
it
and
it'll
protect
that
community.
What
we
also
did
is
an
island
downstream
of
the
weir
in
utley,
and
we
managed
the
vegetation
again,
not
always
the
most
popular
thing,
to
do
to
remove
trees,
but
the
trees
that
were
there
were
self-seeded
trees
quite
large
and
prone
to
falling
over.
H
We
will
do
a
ten
year
management
plan
on
the
island
so
that
the
vegetation
is
more
sustainable,
but
by
having
smaller
vegetation
there,
rather
than
large
trees
that
block
flood
water
actually
reduces
flood
levels
in
a
flood
of
the
size
of
boxing
day
by
300
mil.
So
it's
quite
significant.
We
do
build
this
proper
hard
infrastructure,
but
we
also
look
at
different
ways
to
manage
the
risk
next
one
please
this
slightly
different
angle
on
this.
H
The
image
on
the
top
right
is
sort
of
an
indication
slightly
different
way
of
looking
at
this,
and
I
think
this
is
important.
I'd
like
to
see
this
on.
All
our
flood
schemes
going
forward
is
what
what
is
the
carbon
avoided
by
implementing
the
scheme.
H
The
embankment
that
we're
or
the
structure
that
we're
starting
to
build
at
carvalho
will
increase
the
standard
of
protection
through
the
city
centre
from
100-year
flood
to
a
200-year
flood,
so
actually
a
larger
flood
than
we
we
would
have
seen
on
boxing
day
and
that
will
be
right
through
kirksville
as
well,
but
again
from
a
climate
emergency
perspective,
we
we
bought
the
land
and
and
therefore
own
the
clay
in
the
ground
that
we
will
use
to
build
the
embankment
from
there
will
be
steel
and
there
will
be
concrete
there,
but
on
balance,
actually
the
scheme
itself,
when
you
take
into
account
the
carbon
avoided
by
protecting
the
city,
is
carbon
negative.
H
H
Next
one
please,
I
can't
give
you
a
next
one.
That's
my
last
one.
A
Okay,
thank
you
johnson.
Could
you
turn
your
mic
up
all
right?
Okay,
before
bringing
members
in
with
their
questions,
I'd
just
like
to
welcome
councillor
helen
hayden,
whose
executive
broad
portfolio
includes,
amongst
their
many
responsibilities,
responsibility
for
our
flood
risk
management.
Helen!
I
don't
if
you
want
to
make
any
comments
at
this
stage
or
just
respond
to
questions.
C
Thank
you
chair,
just
apologies
for
for
being
late.
I
had
a
phone
call
from
the
lovely
lucinda
eden
so
that
I-
and
I
don't
really
so,
but.
C
It
is
in
my
world
so
yeah,
but
it's
I
just
want
a
huge
thank
you
to
jonathan
and
the
team.
I
took
over
this
full
of
this
management
aspect
in
may
and
I've
been
hugely
impressed
by
the
work.
C
That's
that's
going
on
and
in
fact
the
you
know
that
presentation
that
you've
seen
I've
shared
at
con
conferences
as
well,
and
we
really
are
ahead
of
the
gaming
lead
when
it
comes
to
flood
risk
management,
especially
natural
full
of
risk
management,
and
I
think,
that's
really
important
when
we
come
to
and
tackling
the
climate
emergency
as
well,
because
you
know
we're
a
very
long
way
from
just
building
walls
and
when
you
go
down
into
the
city
center,
the
use
of
glass
paneling
so
that
we,
you
know
to
protect
streets
and
buildings.
C
But
the
fact
that
you
know
people
can
still
enjoy
our
riverside
and
everything
that
that
has
to
offer
and
the
sheer
amount
of
fish.
And
did
you
mention
our
salmon
salmon
ladders
or
is
it
otter,
ladders
or
salmon
slide
that
I
like
to
call
it?
And
I'm
not.
You
know
so
in
those
weird
there's
infrastructure
for
otters
to
make
their
way
up
the
wear
and
for
salmon
to
make
their
way
up
the
where
and
eels
as
well,
so
eel
elevator.
I'm
to
call
that
as
well.
C
So,
but
it's
it's
an
incredible.
What
just
that
kind
of
infrastructure
that
we
can
have
all
the
huge
other
benefits
and
I'd
like
to
give
a
shout
out
for
mine
and
councillor
sharpe's
ward
as
well,
that's
protected
by
the
white
back
improvements
and
that
blood
scheme
and
when
you
talk
to
people
who
live
in
the
tunnels
as
we
do
flooding
is
such
a
stressful
thing
to
go
through
and
for
many
years
after
it
would
have
been
so
and
but
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
fantastic
nature
reserve
there.
C
Now
the
biodiversity,
all
the
extra
trees
and
a
wet
that
this
flooding
will
alleviation
scheme
will
create
a
wetland
instead
of
just
holding
water
in
a
big
pool.
So
I'm
I'm
hugely
impressed
and
very
grateful
that
we've
got
jonathan
and
you
know
working
for
us
and
and
and
it's
really
exciting,
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future
as
well
and
the
plans
we've
got
for
the
future.
So
thank
you.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
on
this.
Aren't
we
because
flooding
is
horrible
and
we
don't
want
it
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
and
I
thought
jonathan's
presentation
was
very
interesting
indeed,
and
a
lot
of
it
obviously
concerned
big
schemes
and
expensive
works
and
so
on,
but
he
also
mentioned
the
planning
system
and
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
come
at
this
very
briefly
from
the
other
side
of
it,
the
other,
the
other
end
of
it
really
when
new
houses
are
built.
F
There
are
regulations
that
the
developers
have
to
stick
to
to
avoid
run-off
and
all
that
kind
of
thing.
But
I
know
in
my
ward,
I
can
speak
from
personal
experience.
You
can
use
your
eyes
that
some
of
the
big
houses
in
certain
areas,
which
were
always
quite
big,
have
now
been
made.
Huge
they've
been
developed
and
quite
a
lot
of
the
front.
F
Gardens
are
enormous
and
there
are
some
gardens
which
have
probably,
which
are
probably
now
not
gardens,
and
they
probably
have
parking
for
20
cars
and
there's
not
a
blade
of
grass
in
sight.
Nothing
except
tarmac
or
hard
standing,
and
I
just
wondered
what
kind
of
regulations
are
they
supposed
to
be
following
and
if
they
don't
what
kind
of
enforcement
we
can
actually
make.
H
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
really
good
question
and
I
think
I
think
it
is.
It
is
an
area
we're
already
putting
some
work
into
so
that
there
already
does
exist,
planning,
guidance
and
and
and
a
requirement
to
actually
apply
to
the
council
to
pave
your
to
pay
your
garden
and,
I
think,
actually,
probably
huge
amounts
of
people
in
the
city.
Don't
realize
that
that
already
exists.
H
I
think
there's
been
some
work
that
we've
released
recently.
Some
communications
work
around
just
instead
of
saying,
there's
a
rule
here,
actually
there's
a
responsibility
for
people
to
think
about
that,
and
I
think
we've
got
more
work
to
do
on
that
in
terms
of
trying
to
persuade
people
that
they've
they
have
a
responsibility
in
this.
H
H
I
think
the
awareness
that
people
have
got
that
that
exists
and
our
ability
to
persuade
people
that
they
have
a
responsibility
to
their
neighbours
and
to
others
in
the
catchment
is
maybe
where
we
need
to
focus
our
efforts,
and
it
is
a
very
important
part
of
the
makeup.
In
effect,
you
know
als
all
sorts
of
small
interventions
across
thousands
of
homes
in
the
city,
cumulatively,
have
a
large
effect
up
there,
and
especially
on
the
scale
that
counts.
The
book
was
just
described
there.
C
And
we've
recently,
the
planning
directorate
has
recently
published
the
guide
garden
guidance.
It's
a
huge
problem.
I've
just
walked
through
primrose
valley
this
morning
and
some
got
some
gardens
are
really
big
on
the
pool
of
state
and
it
was
lovely
to
see
all
the
ones
that
were
grass
and
then
there
was
quite
a
few
completely
paved
over
and
we're
talking
about
quite
big
gardens
here.
So
I
understand
the
need
for
parking
and,
as
a
ward
member,
you
get
people
wanting.
C
The
grass
verges
to
be
paved
over
as
well,
and
actually
that's
when
a
conversation
about
flooding
and
surface
watering
flooding
comes
in.
I
know
that
there's
some
really
good
work
happening
around
the
round
here
area
about.
Is
it
what
of
it's?
The
the
yorkshire
water
are
actually
fitting
rain
gardens
where
our
grass
verges
are
going
to
be
with
the
to
take
the
water
that
goes
into
roundy
lake.
C
I
could
be
completely
wrong
about
the
engineering
of
that,
but
and
it's
and
it's
actually
so
they're
actually
wanting
to
manage
and
and
that's
something
that
might
go
around
the
around
the
city,
but
just
being
told
that
we
can
circulate
the
garden
guidance
for
members,
because
it
is
there
it.
It
was
republished
and
updated
last
in
the
autumn.
C
So
but
it
is
that
awareness
that
actually,
our
gardens
are
not
only
if
you
put
them
all
together,
a
huge
areas
of
green
space
that
we
need
to
protect
and
as
well
as
our
grass
verges
and
things
like
that,
but
they
do
protect
from
flooding.
And
it's
about
that
awareness,
but
we'll
get
that
garden.
Guide
guidance
circulated
for
members.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
alan
before
I
asked
neil
whether
he
wants
to
come
back,
could
we
just
be
clear
about
whether
the
planning
guidance
has
any
teeth
because
he
did
ask
about
enforcement
and
I
think
it's
very
important
point
I'm
surrounded
by
people
who
are
tarmacking
over
their
front
gardens.
I've
still
got
the
grass
and
the
gravel
two
reasons,
one
of
my
yorkshiremen
and
it's
cheaper,
but
secondly,
it's
also
environmentally
far-sounded.
So
you
know:
does
the
enforcement
have
any
teeth?
Sorry,
does
the
planning
guys
have
any
teeth.
H
I
think
planning
enforcement
is
not
my
specialist
area,
but
I
think
it
does,
but
we
have
to
there's
always
a
balance
to
strike,
isn't
it?
So
I
suppose,
if
I
make
the
comparison
with
the
enforcement
powers
that
we
have
through
flood
risk
management
and
the
land
drainage
act,
those
powers
are
there.
Those
powers
are
actually
absolute
and
strong.
Whether
or
not
it's
in
the
interest
of
us
as
a
local
authority
to
pursue
that
enforcement
action
is
often
the
balance
we
have
to
strike.
H
So
if
we
were
to
take
enforcement
action
against
thousands
of
homeowners
in
the
city
for
incremental
changes,
especially
when
they've
not
applied
for
consent
in
the
first
place
it
we
have
to
balance
the
risk
and
in
an
ideal
world
they
would
apply
for
consent.
They
would
be
rigorously
put
through
an
assessment
process
and
then
they
would
implement
a
change.
H
Quite
often,
people
are
making
changes
without
providing
any
knowledge
of
that
tools
at
all
and
and
they're
on
a
scale
where,
if
you
were
to
take
all
those
you
know
if
this
was
one
landowner
across
a
thousand
front
gardens,
there's
maybe
a
different
approach
we
could
take,
whereas
whether
these
are
all
individual
homeowners
or
tenants
it's
even
though
the
power
is
there,
it
makes
it
very
difficult.
H
I
think,
to
on
the
on
balance,
justify
the
amount
of
resource
in
terms
of
financial
and
officer
resource
to
push
through
the
enforcement
route,
and
that's
often
for
officers,
it's
extremely
frustrating,
but
I
think
that
that
is
the
reality
of
it.
In
my
opinion,.
I
Thanks
chad,
just
just
to
clarify
on
that,
the
the
paving
over
of
your
front
garden
falls
under
permitted
development,
which
are
the
rules
set
by
government.
But
in
order
to
to
to
do
that
under
permitted
development,
the
material
needs
to
be
porous
now
that
still
causes
issues,
and
it
still
causes
some
runoff.
I
If
it's
not
porous,
you
need
to
submit
a
planning
application
for
that
to
be
determined.
The
guidance
that
I've
just
shared
with
becky,
which
she
can
circulate,
is
really
positive.
It's
trying
to
be
a
bit
more
proactive
rather
than
prescriptive,
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
enforce
that
guidance.
But
it's
really
saying
to
homeowners.
Look,
there's
other
options
and
other
ways
that
you
can
park
your
car
without
actually
leading
to
this
runoff.
A
F
Just
briefly
chair
and
you
asked
exactly
the
question
I
was
going
to
ask
actually
because
it's
all
a
bit
woolly
and
of
course
there
are
some
people.
We
know
that
if
you
say
well,
this
is
guidance
they'll
just
say:
well,
thanks
very
much,
I'm
going
to
use
tarmac
or
whatever
it
is.
I
don't
think
it
is
satisfactory,
but
there
we
are.
J
Thank
you.
Can
I
also
say
thank
you
for
a
really
informative
presentation,
absolutely
fascinating.
So
thank
you
for
that
particularly
interested
in
the
reference
to
the
carbon
budget,
which
you
said
was
going
to
be
a
feature
of
developments
in
the
future,
and
I
think
that's
absolutely
spot-on.
J
The
little
comparison
you
had
in
the
corner
just
made.
It
really
easy
to
see
so
really
welcome
that
my
question
was
about
the
report,
but
just
something
else
that
came
up
in
the
conversation
about
planning.
I
assume
that
for
new
builds,
there
is
control
over
surfaces
that
are
used.
You
know
it's.
I
appreciate
your
point
of
going
back
to
people
who
are
making
permitted
development
in
their
garden,
but-
and
that
was
just
a
supplementary
to
the
question
that
have
been
asked
before
my
main
question
was
in
the
report
on
section
3.3.
J
It
mentions
that
the
impacts
of
climate
change
for
all
major
courses,
watercourses
across
the
city,
have
now
been
assimilated,
uploaded
to
a
system
and
when
reviewed
and
finalized
that's
going
to
be
published
by
leed
city
council
and
you
state
in
the
report
that
it's
a
really
important
tool,
which
it
clearly
is.
So
it's
just
a
simple
question:
when's
that
likely
to
be-
and
if
so,
when
you
know,
can
we
have
notification
of
it?
Please.
H
So
I
think
that
relates
to
the
strategic
flood
risk
assessment,
so
yeah,
that's
a
there's,
a
document
again
that
we
do
with
colleagues
in
martin's
team
actually
around.
So
it's
a
it's
a
sort
of
joint,
it's
a
planning
document
technically,
but
we're
working,
floodless
management
and
planning
and
working
on
that
now.
So
it's
been
done
in
two
stages.
So
there's
a
there's
national
guidance
set
by
the
environment
agency
around
doing
strategic
flood
risk
assessments.
H
So
we've
been
undertaking
what
we
call
level
one
which
is
a
refresh
of
the
sort
of
our
understanding
of
the
risk
and
we're
just
waiting
for
for
the
environment
to
guide
us
in
terms
of
whether
they
think
that's
compliant
with
their
guidance.
We
think
it
is
and
then
we've
got
further
work
that
we
want
to
commission
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
They'll
probably
take
three
months
and
that's
for
the
level
two
work
which
is
further
modeling
work.
So
we
take
the
latest
information.
H
So
I
think
the
aim
would
be
that
come
september,
we'd
be
in
a
position
where
we've
got
a
refreshed,
strategic
flood
risk
assessment,
and
that
would
be
then
the
sort
of
benchmark
for
our
understanding
of
the
risk
in
the
city.
We
currently
rely
on
a
document
that
was
produced
some
time
ago,
and
that
said,
we
do
a
lot
of
bespoke
advice
and
guidance
between
the
planners
and
and
ourselves
in
terms
of
providing
the
latest
information
that
we've
got
available.
H
J
I
Yes,
we've
got:
we've
got
much
more
control
over
new,
build
housing
and
actually
even
going
further
on
that
control.
Through
the
local
plan
update
and
the
policies
that
we're
taking
through
development
plan
panel
at
the
moment,
around
place,
making
and
climate
change
and
flood
risk,
we
can,
we
can
afford
to
be
even
more
sort
of
stringent
in
terms
of
the
making
space
for
water.
I
think
is
the
phrase
the
phrase
that
we
use
so
yes.
K
Thank
you
chair
and
apologies
to
you
and
colleagues
on
the
board
for
being
a
few
minutes
late.
At
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
councillor
hayden
mentioned
the
eel
elevators,
which
I
think
I
know
as
a
fish
pass
and
as
I've
got
jonathan
here,
I'm
going
to
take
a
slight
liberty.
K
If
possible,
it's
not
quite
in
the
report,
but
do
we
have
yet
an
opinion
on
the
viability
of
the
fish
past
that
new
lay
where,
because
we've
got
radio
silence
from
the
environment
agency
on
the
collapse
of
that
way,
and
it's
a
real
eyesore
for
for
residents
down
there,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
doing
anything
at
all.
Given
that
the
river
is
flowing
quite
freely.
Now
that
the
wear
has
collapsed.
Have
we
got
an
update
on
that?
Please.
H
I
know
we've
we've
talked
about
this
previously
and
so
I've
been
working
with
conservation
and
planning.
Colleagues
on
this
as
well.
H
The
short
answer
is,
we
still
haven't
received
the
environment
agencies
independent,
and
I
said
that
on
purpose
consultants,
structural
assessment
of
the
cause
of
the
failure
of
the
weir
and
we've
asked
for
that
several
times.
I've
documented
that
recently
how
many
times
I've
asked
for
that
report.
We
still
haven't
received
it.
What
that
means
is
that
the
weir
is
in
a
collapsed
state,
so
that
we've
done
some
additional
works
both
as
part
of
the
fast
2
project
to
protect
the
current
design
of
fast
2
and
the
environment
is
done.
H
Some
extra
works
to
protect
the
flood
banks
in
the
vicinity,
so
that
there's
no
increased
flood
risk
to
the
residents
in
that
area,
but
it's
historic,
it's
heritage
status
is
compromised
currently
and
the
fish
pass
that
they
were
installing
at
the
time
that
it
collapsed
is
isn't
functional
because
it
was
designed
with
a
functional
wear
in
place.
So
the
answer
to
the
question
is
the
fish
pass
functional?
No,
it's
not,
but
it's
still
in
place.
H
So
there
are
it's
quite
a
complicate,
as
we've
discussed
previously,
it's
quite
a
complicated
thing
and
we
have
been
taking
some
advice
legally
around
which
legislation
would
would
trump
the
other
legislation.
I
think
the
short
answer
is
it
doesn't
so,
therefore,
there
needs
to
be
a
discussion
around
the
way
forward.
We
were
waiting
for
the
report
before
we
did
that
next
stage
of
discussion
and
we
haven't
had
it.
K
Thank
you,
jonathan.
If
we
can
arrange
something
offline,
then,
because
I
appreciate
there's
a
lot
that
we
can't
say
in
an
open
forum,
but
I
think
collectively
we
need
to
keep
the
pressure
on
the
environment
agency
on
this,
so
if
we
could
arrange
something
in
the
next
near
future,
we
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Could
I
also
ask
whether
you've
involved
a
local
mp,
given
the
fact
that
the
environment
agency
is
a
government
agency?
I
think
he's
now
a
minister
in
that
department.
K
We
have
involved
the
mp
and
the
mp
was
integral
in
the
independent
report
being
commissioned
in
the
first
place.
So
thank.
A
You
stuart
andrew
yeah.
Maybe
we
need
a
little
bit
more
pressure
from
all
all
quarters.
That's
all!
That's
all!
I'm
suggesting
wasn't
trying
to
be
party
political
in
any
way
right.
I've
not
had
any
other
indication
now
perish
the
thought.
No,
but
three
quick
questions
before
we
move
off
this.
This
subject
on
page
16,
jonathan
there's
reference
to
the
potter
newton
fluid
alleviation
scheme.
All
the
other
schemes
have
got
reference
to
consultation,
that's
been
carried
out,
but
no
reference
to
consultation
there.
A
My
second
point
is
on
the
following
page
page,
page,
sorry,
section:
seven,
you've
ticked
the
climate
emergency
box,
which
is
absolutely
right
and
that's
been
a
main
focus
of
your
presentation,
but
none
of
the
others,
and
I
would
have
thought
that
health
that
you
do
yourself
a
disservice
in
terms
of
the
work
you
and
your
colleagues
and
counselor
hayden
do
in
terms
of
health
and
well-being
because,
of
course,
as
you've
said,
flooding
is
tremendously
stressful.
A
You
can
cut
transport
links,
you're
undertaking
work,
to
try
and
improve
the
ability
of
homeowners
and
tenants
to
get
insurance
up.
All
those
seem
to
me
to
be
health
and
well-being
box.
To
take
inclusive
growth,
I
think
we
could
probably
talk
about
that
as
well.
My
third
point
is
on
page
23,
paragraph
3.6,
and
it
talks
about
the
100
year
level
of
protection
and
the
1
in
200
year
level.
A
H
So
the
the
first
one,
we've
we've,
probably
just
done
ourselves
a
slight
disservice
with
the
potter
newton
scheme.
We
were
maybe
just
keeping
it
brief
in
this
covering
report,
but
there
has
been
quite
extensive
consultation
in
that
area,
so
we
did
did
a
two
public
drop-in
events
just
to
look
at
options
and
and
designs,
and
that
has
helped
us
to
sort
of
guide
the
option
that
we're
currently
still
investigating
for
that
area.
So
yeah,
there's
so
yeah,
we've,
probably
underplayed
underplayed.
H
What's
happened
there,
maybe
a
similar
thing
for
the
second
point
yeah,
I
suppose
I'm
in
danger
of
being
a
little
biased.
I
I
think
we
do
cover
all
of
those
areas
and
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
fair
point
that
we
could
have-
we
could
have
said
more
about
the
other
two
aspects.
H
I
think
flood
risk
cuts
across
all
of
those
themes
and,
as
I
highlighted
with
the
killimbek
scheme
earlier,
we
you
know,
there's
a
health
and
well-being
aspect
to
having
a
public
green
space
available
for
people
to
use.
There's
a
health
and
well-being
aspect
to
reducing
the
flood
risk
and
the
damage
that
it
causes
to
people,
and
it
directly
spoke
to
inclusive
growth
because
it
was
instrumental
in
promoting
housing
growth
in
that
area.
You
know
in
a
key,
a
key
growth
area
in
the
city,
so
yeah,
I
think
we've
we've
underplayed
our
part
there.
H
I
think
the
last
point
it's
a
really
good
question
actually,
and
I
think
in
my
I
think
we
we
need
a
national
level
debate
and
I
am
involved
in
a
number
of
discussions
at
the
moment
around
the
language
that
we
use
and
the
parameters
that
we
set
around
engineering
sort
of
benchmarks
for
flood
schemes.
So
we
we
cannot
continue
to
use
the
same
numbers
and
representation
for
a
1
in
100
year
flood.
H
As
we
see
the
impacts
of
climate
change
take
hold.
I've
got
some
work
that
we're
doing
with
the
met
office
at
the
moment.
I
think
we'll
retrospectively
look
at
ottley
and
say
well
if
we,
if
we
talk
about
providing
a
one
in
25-year
standard
protection
at
atlas
or
a
four
percent
chance
in
any
given
year
that
that
flood
would
occur
today,
then,
if
we
looked
at
that
in
2050
with
the
impacts
of
climate
change,
what
would
that
probability
be
then?
H
And-
and
I
think
that's
the
work
we
need
to
pursue-
is
that
we've
been
able
to
so
I
don't
think,
we've
seen
the
impacts
of
recent
years
change.
Those
figures
that
we
quote
there
could
be
an
argument
that
maybe
they
should,
but
certainly,
I
think,
the
models
that
we've
now
got
with
the
with
the
impacts
of
climate
change.
H
Added
in
counselor
diet's
question
earlier
about
the
strategic
flood
risk
assessment,
you
you
would
see
it,
we
will
see
a
shift,
so
we
will
say
you
know
a
percentage
chance
of
a
flood
happening
in
any
given
year
today.
This
risk
a
percentage
risk
of
that
happening
in
2050
or
2080,
with
the
impacts
of
climate
change
same
chance
of
it
happening
but
different
impact,
and
I
think
that's
the
type
of
thing
we
will
start
to
publish
and
make
a
lot
clearer.
C
Thank
you
chair
and
just
to
to
go
back
to
the
point
about
the
the
council's
three
key
pillars
it.
This
does
cut
across
jonathan's
mentioned
health
and
well-being
and
into
green
spaces
and
biodiversity
that
that
provides
and
how
good
that
is,
for
people,
but
also
inclusive
growth.
C
When
you
protect
an
area
from
from
flood,
it
unlocks
that
land
not
just
for
housing,
but
for
the
for
the
for
businesses
as
well
and
for
the
economy
to
develop,
and
we
saw
in
2015
how
many
businesses
were
affected,
and
if
we're
wanting
that
inclusive
growth
and
investment
into
the
city,
then
we
need
to
have
that
land
protected,
and
so
it
very
much
underpins
that
inclusive
growth
and
both
in
the
housing,
but
also
in
the
economy
and
the
wider
economy
as
well.
A
Okay,
thanks
jonathan
thanks
helen
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
next
agenda
item.
Obviously,
oh
sorry,
I
thought
you're
indicating
you
were
going
bob.
You
told
me
that
you
were
leaving
at
10
to
11..
Oh
well,
I'm
sorry
we
changed
it
over
now,
but
I
mean,
if
you
want
to
make
a
comment.
Please
do
while
the
officers
kind
of
take
their
seats.
A
A
We've
got
the
main
participants.
Obviously
this
agenda
item
relates
to
an
update
on
the
inclusive
growth
strategy,
which
obviously
is
a
cornerstone
of
what
we
want
to
achieve
in
the
city
in
terms
of
including
everyone
in
the
city's
development,
growth
and
wealth.
So
if
you
could
just
introduce
yourself
for
the
benefit
of
viewers
and
then
I
think
eve
you're
going
to
briefly
introduce
the
report,
thank
you.
E
L
Thank
you
chair.
So
this
is
our
third
inclusive
growth
update
report
since
the
outbreak
of
covid19
and
the
report
provides
an
update
on
the
economic
context
and
also,
it
then
goes
on
to
set
out
examples
of
actions
in
interventions
that
have
either
been
completed
or
are
underway
and
to
deliver
inclusive
growth
and
they
are
presented
under
the
headings
of
respond
reset
and
renew
and
build
resilience,
which
were
the
three
themes
that
we
set
out
in
our
economic
recovery
framework
in
october
2020.
L
So
I'm
just
going
to
talk
a
little
first
around
the
economic
situation,
because
actually
things
are
changing
so
quickly.
There's
some
additional
information
to
also
enhance
that
and
and
then
highlight
some
of
the
initiatives,
but
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them.
So
economically.
The
major
trends
that
we're
experiencing
a
national
level
and
therefore
in
leeds
are
dominated
really
around
high
inflation,
which
in
large
part,
is
down
to
high
energy
prices.
But
there
are
other
things
at
play.
L
You'll
note
in
the
report
that
research
by
the
resolution
foundation
suggests
that
the
proportion
of
english
households
under
fuel
stress
could
leap
from
9
to
27,
which
is
very
significant
and
that
lower
income
families
will
be
disproportionately
affected
because
they
spend
a
higher
proportion
of
their
weekly
income
on
fuel
and
and
food,
and
so
from
a
point
of
view
of
inclusive
growth.
It's
certainly
something
we
need
to
be
keeping
an
eye
on.
The
other.
L
Major
focus,
of
course,
is
the
labour
market,
so
employment
levels
in
in
england
are
600k
below
the
pre-pandemic
levels,
and
inactivity
is
up
to
around
200
000.
L
You
know
in
the
last
six
months,
mostly
due
to
three
factors:
increased
worklessness
due
to
ill
health,
more
young
people
in
education
and
more
people
over
50
stepping
out
of
the
labour
market.
L
Then,
if
we
just
look
at
the
situation
in
leeds,
there
does
continue
to
be
a
decrease
in
the
universal
credit.
Claimant
count,
which
is
positive.
So
there
were
460
fewer
people
claiming
universal
credit
in
december
2021
and
november,
and
footfall
in
the
city
centre
has
actually
been
in
line
with
the
national
average
through
2021.
So
we
have
the
figures
for
the
for
the
whole
of
2021.
Now
we're
able
to
make
a
comparison
against
2019
and
the
the
situation
was
a
decline
of
37.4,
which
was
broadly
in
line
with
the
national
average.
L
But
bearing
in
mind
that
we
were
under
a
lockdown
this
time
last
year,
january
february
and
into
march
when
footfall
was
declined
by
80,
there's
actually
a
positive
side
to
that
in
terms
of
how
things
improve
towards
the
back
end
of
the
year,
and
just
to
note
that
I
checked
this
morning
and
in
february
the
footfall
situation
has
improved
gradually.
So
it's
been
around
25
down
on
2019
numbers
compared
to
in
january,
when
we
were
experiencing
footfall
down
by
about
30
percent.
L
So
we
are
seeing
those
footfall
numbers
creep
up
since
we
submitted
the
report
as
well.
The
deloitte
crane
service
survey
has
been
published,
and
that
sounds
quite
dull,
but
actually
it
provides
some
very
useful
information
about
what's
happening
in
in
the
property
sector.
In
particular.
L
So
that
gives
you
a
good
sort
of
run
through
where
we
are
on
the
economic
context
and
obviously
there's
all
the
references
in
the
report
itself
just
to
highlight
some
of
the
projects
and
initiatives
that
are
included
in
the
report.
I
wanted
to
briefly
touch
on
covered
19
business
support
grants.
L
So
there
were
new
grant
supports,
announced
just
before
christmas.
In
relation
to
the
old
macron
variant,
we
were
able
to
move
very
quickly
on
those
grants
and
we
have
processed
those
grants
from
the
earliest
possible
date
we
could,
in
january
and
continuing
to
process
those.
L
Additional
support
provided
around
campaigns
like
the
eats
eat,
leads
campaign
and
the
work
that
was
done
to
present
the
city
as
an
excellent
destination
over
christmas
really
paid
off
in
terms
of
seeing
people
and
coming
and
enjoying
the
city
centre
despite
omicron
and
including
the
ice
rink
on
millennium
square,
which
was
the
most
searched
page
on.
The
visit
leads
web
page
and
there's
an
interesting
fact.
L
Since
the
report
was
published,
the
leeds
apprenticeship,
recruitment,
fair,
took
place
at
the
leeds
arena
and
it
was
hugely
successful.
We
took
it.
We
we
had
people
booking
tickets
for
the
first
time,
which
meant
that
people
flowed
through
very
er
efficiently
and
the
businesses
were
very
happy,
and
so
were
the
parents
and
young
people
that
attended.
L
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
we'll
be
running
an
event
at
the
arena,
for
with
a
focus
on
send
to
allow
children,
children
and
young
people
and
that
need
a
more
quiet
atmosphere
and
more
support
to
attend
a
similar
event.
In
june,
the
website's
also
gone
live
since
the
report
was
updated
quickly
under
a
reset
and
renew
category.
I
wanted
to
flag
that
the
future
talent
plan
will
be
going
to
the
executive
board
in
march.
L
It
just
references
spring
in
the
report,
so
I
can
confirm
that
we're
going
in
march
and
also
to
note
that
good
progress
is
being
made
in
the
area
of
green
economy,
research
working
with
the
center
for
progressive
policy
and
noting
that
that
will
come
through
and
inform
a
refresh
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy.
L
L
Finally,
if
you
look
at
the
resilience
section,
it
highlights
some
major
projects
completed
and
underway,
and
the
some
of
these
projects
will
provide
fantastic
opportunities
to
regenerate
key
areas
in
the
city,
including
the
project
with
the
british
library
around
bringing
temple
works
forward.
As
the
british
library
north-
and
I
should
also
take
a
moment
just
to
comment
on
inward
investment,
so
we
we've
been
busier
than
ever
when
it
comes
to
inward
investment.
L
Over
the
last
few
months,
working
with
the
uk
infrastructure
bank
working
with
the
financial
conduct
authority
with
utterbury
and
now
also
with
major
tech,
firm
cognizant
to
support
them
moving
into
leads.
So
there
are
so.
Whilst
there
are
many
challenges
you
know
in
the
economic
context,
there's
also
a
lot
of
reasons
to
feel
positive
for
the
future.
A
Okay,
I've
not
seen
anyone
indicate
so
just
wonder.
Well
eventually,
when
you
get
around
to
it,
can
I
just
start
off
by
asking
for
a
little
bit
of
elucidation
on
the
future
talent
program,
because
it
tells
us
a
lot
about
the
consultation
doesn't
tell
us
much
about
what
the
components
are
of
that
strategy
that
I'm
assuming
will
go
and
be
approved
at
executive
board
just
to
give
us
a
flavor
of
it.
L
L
What
the
the
aim
of
the
future
talent
plan
itself
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
something
clear
and
and
simple
and
also
agile,
that
we
and
our
partners
can
work
with
around
delivering
and
responding
to
the
labour
market
challenges
that
we've
got.
So
when
you
see
the
executive
board
report,
it
sets
out
two
key
focus
areas
and
a
number
of
themes
and
under
those
will
be
projects
and
initiatives
that
we're
either
delivering
as
lead
city,
council
or
partners
are
delivering
in
in
relation
to
that.
L
So
we're
currently
working,
we've
actually
got
a
meeting
later
on
today
with
those
partners
to
run
through
that
framework
with
them
and
then
from
there
bring
in
their
initiatives
and
projects
that
will
contribute
to
it.
So
it's
a
work
in
progress.
It
will
be
presented
through
a
website
format
and
if
the
website
will
be
launched
in
may
times
it's
under
development
now,
but
that
won't
stop
us
starting
to
do
work
both
ourselves
and
with
partners
on
the
different
areas
of
work
before
before
then.
L
Well,
well,
we
have
got
some
some
areas
of
work
that
are
firmed
up
and
others
in
development.
So
the
first
example
I
would
give
you
is
that
there
is
a
lot.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
happening
around
digital
skills,
for
example,
but
we
want
to
make
that
more
coherent
and
to
accelerate
that
work.
L
So
we
have
appointed
an
individual
into
the
employment
skills
team
who'll,
be
mapping
the
landscape
of
skills
provision
and
also
supporting
work
to
develop
a
week-long
engagement
activity
to
get
around
the
city
to
communities
to
role
model
and
the
the
opportunities
there
are
in
the
digital
sector
and
potentially
with
a
major
event.
At
the
end
of
that
link
to
the
leads
digital
festival
to
demonstrate
the
opportunities
that
exist.
So
that's
not
going
to
be
targeted
at
people
already
in
the
sector,
but
people
that
might
want
to
choose
to
move
in.
So
that's
one
example.
L
L
University
use,
and
so
working
with
leeds
city
college,
we're
running
a
sort
of
holiday
camp
to
support
young
people
to
develop
entrepreneurial
skills
and
that's
a
partnership
between
them
and
nexus
and
we're
hoping
that
we'll
repeat
that
on
a
regular
basis
again
using
some
using
the
strength
of
partnerships
between
ourselves
and
the
city
and
another
example
would
be,
would
be
the
work
that
we're
doing
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
the
the
green
jobs
area
more.
L
So
it's
a
partnership
really
between
economic
policy
and
employment
and
skills
and
to
make
sure
we
understand
the
opportunities
and
again
we're
looking
to
appoint
somebody
into
a
specific
role
focused
on
green
jobs
in
the
employment
skills
team,
to
make
sure
that
we
get
really
clear
pathways
into
those
areas
and
development.
So
just
a
few
examples.
There.
A
Okay,
thanks
thanks
very
much
I
mean
I
hopefully
speak
for
the
whole
board.
When
I
welcome
those
sorts
of
approaches,
I
suppose
one
of
the
challenges
is
how
we
take
that
out
into
disadvantaged
communities
and
identify
those
people
who
won't
normally
engage
unless
you
go
out,
you
know
onto
their
territory
and
on
their
grounds,
but
I'm
sure
that
that
is
should
be
part
and
parcel
of
what
we
will
no
doubt
hear
about
in
due
course.
L
I
think
chair
just
to
briefly
add
we
absolutely
will
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
expertise
of
the
100
digital
leads
team,
who
are
really
really
good
at
that
in
terms
of
aligning
to
or
to
meeting
people
where
they
are,
rather
than
turning
up
with
a
tech,
business
and
saying
isn't
tech
great?
Why
don't
you
come
home
business?
I
don't
think
that
would
be
the
right
approach
chair
so.
F
Thank
you
chair.
Well,
I
think,
thanks
to
eve
very
interesting
report,
very
detailed,
etc.
On
page
45,
there's
reference
to
the
removal
of
the
national
working
from
home
mandate,
which
we
all
know
about,
and
I
think
when
lockdowns
and
so
on,
first
started
all
that
time
ago.
F
Some
people
thought
a
little
bit,
maybe
lazily,
maybe
but
working
from
home
was
going
to
be
the
future,
but
all
those
who
could
do
it
should
do
it
and
so
on,
and
I
think
experience
has
told
us
that
actually
it
can
result
in
lower
productivity,
lack
of
development
opportunities
for
young
learners,
not
able
to
learn
collaborative
skills,
social
skills
and
all
that
kind
of
thing,
and
my
first
question
really
was
whether,
in
view
of
the
whole
emphasis
on
what
the
city
can
do
to
help
enterprise
increase
and
go
forward,
what
percentage
of
people
here
are
now
employed
by
the
city
council
are
working
from
home
and
given
that
we
anticipate
that
to
go
down
what
target
is
there
in
place
and
when
will
it
get
lower?
F
F
The
second
question
refers
to
page
46
and
the
reference
to
the
widening
of
footways,
which
happened,
and
we
all
know
why
and
in
many
respects
the
opportunity
for
things
like
cafes
and
so
on
to
spill
out
onto
the
pavement
has
actually
been
a
good
thing
and
has
given
opportunities
that
weren't
there
before.
F
But
the
actual
practical
manifestation
of
all
this
now
is
that
we're
in
a
situation
where
either
take
the
horrible
red
barriers
away
or
make
it
permanent.
By
doing
some
other
proper
engineering
work,
the
city
looks
a
mess,
it's
just
covered
in
red
barriers,
and
so
that's
my
second
question.
F
When
is
that
going
to
be
addressed
along
with
the
appalling
state
of
the
ring
road
and
the
and
the
three
feet:
high
grass
and
finally
chair
page
51
reference
to
better
health
for
people
in
general
and,
of
course
we're
talking
about
improving
health
and
improving
health
equality.
F
E
Yes,
first
of
all
on
on
working
from
home,
I
don't
think
I'd
completely
accept
that
that
characterization
that
there
was
less
work
going
on
at
home.
I
know
plenty
of
people
working
home
working
incredibly
hard
where
we
are
now.
Obviously
there
is.
There
is
a
gradual
return
to
not
return
to
work
but
return
to
offices
from
some.
E
Looking
at
my
own
diary
this
week,
I
had
a
number
of
meetings
in
the
ward
yesterday,
but
I
was
able
to
have
meetings
in
the
civic
in
between,
because
I
was
able
to
nip
home,
which
was
a
two
minute
walk
away.
Log
on
online
have
the
meeting
then
go
back
to
the
ward
if
before
hybrid
working,
I
just
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
attend.
I'd
have
had
to
choose
which
one
to
do
so.
Actually,
there
have
been,
there
are
opportunities
for
more
efficient
working.
E
We
are
seeing
a
gradual
return
to
to
the
offices
for
for
many
people,
it's
not
something
we're
we're
we're
pushing
yet
we're
letting
people
do
it
at
their
own
pace.
At
the
moment,
people
have
different
levels
of
comfort
with
the
virus
at
the
moment,
develop
different
levels
of
anxiety,
even
and
that's,
not
least,
to
say
kind
of
whether
people
are
in
more
vulnerable
categories.
E
I
do
hope,
as
we
approach
spring
and
summer,
the
you
know,
the
virus
numbers
will
will
plummet
even
further
and
it's
a
moving
picture.
It's
something
we'll
keep
looking
at,
but
I
do
think
the
future
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
hybrid.
It's
going
to
be
a
mixture
of
of
working
patterns.
E
I
don't
think
I've
got
exact
percentages
on
that
that
you
asked,
for.
I
don't
think
we
have
those
on
the
barriers
yeah
evil
and
to
this
one
yeah.
L
In
relation
to
the
to
the
barriers
cancer,
do
you
want
to?
Let
me
know
if
you've
got
some
specific
examples
and
I'll
pick
it
with
highway
highways.
Colleagues,
just
to
query
that,
and
also
chair
I'll,
just
check
what
the
position
across
the
city
is
on
that,
because
my
understanding,
which
I'd
have
to
confirm
is
that
many
of
them
were
actually
withdrawn
in
terms
of
because
they
were
temporary
temporary
arrangements.
L
So
I'd
have
to
check
with
highways
colleagues
about
what
which
remain
and
where
in
the
city
and
what
the
status
of
them,
what
the
status
of
them
are
and
then
revert
in
relation
to
some
of
that.
So
if,
if
there
are
specific
examples,
please
feel
free
to
let
us
know
and
I'll
pick
up
with
quicker
with
colleagues.
F
Yes,
just
just
briefly
chair,
I
I
received
an
email
yesterday
from
a
council
officer
and
obviously
I
won't
say
who
it
was,
but
at
the
bottom
of
the
email
was
an
imprint
and
it
reads
unfortunately,
due
to
the
restrictions
on
movement
in
relation
to
kovid,
19,
leeds
city,
council
staff
will
continue
to
work
from
home.
E
A
Yeah
yeah,
it
sounds
as
though
it
is
historic
and
I
think
we're
perhaps
slightly
jumping
the
gun
in
that
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
be
said
on
monday,
so
we
still
operating
under
existing
restrictions.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
but
clearly
we'll
be
updated.
There
was
a
there
was
a
briefing
this
morning.
We,
I
don't
know
if
you
were
able
to
to
attend
it.
Councillor
buckley,
where
we
were
brought
up
to
speed
on
all
the
work.
A
That's
been
done
to
try
and
ensure
that
we
get
a
safe
return
to
work
and
that
people
are
encouraged
where
it
is
possible.
You
know
to
return
to
work,
so
I
think
there
is
work
being
undertaken,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it
necessarily
wholly
falls
within
jonathan
or
eve's
remix.
To
answer
your
more
generic
question,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
answer
you
get
to
see,
whether
it
is
historic
or
that
you
know
to
ensure
that
it
is
updated
as
we
move
into
a
different
phase
of
covid
yeah.
A
No,
no
by
all
means
you've
raised
it
and
I
think
I
think
we're
all
interested,
but
I
think
that
we're
now
in
that
sort
of
unknown
period
between
you
know
where
we
were
and
where
we're
going
to
be.
Okay,
johnson.
G
Thanks
chair
again,
thanks
to
eve
for
excellent
excellent
report
and
very
good
summary
presentation,
I
think
that
the
the
the
story,
the
the
narrative
around
him
with
investment,
is
one
which
is
very
encouraging.
I
was
I
sit
on
the
combined
authority
economy,
scrutiny
board
and
we
had
a
presentation
yesterday
on
inward
investment
and
the
list
of
you
know
the
list
of
wins
and
successes
was
was
very
impressive.
G
Unfortunately,
I
suppose,
from
a
combined
authority
point
of
view
everything
comes
to
leads,
nothing
comes,
nothing
seems
to
be
going
to
the
other,
the
the
the
other
four
authorities
and
and
from
the
combined
authority
point
of
view.
That
is
probably
a
concern
from
leeds.
It's
probably
not
it
doesn't
yeah.
My
question
really
was
about
well.
I've
got
a
number
of
questions
if
I
may
chair,
but
the
one
was
about
the
the
return
to
the
office
and
and
whatever-
and
I
do
think
we've
got
to
be
careful
about
the
word.
G
It's
not
returned
to
work.
It's
returned
to
the
office,
I
I
I
remember
the
teachers
getting
very
when
the
teachers
were
teaching
from
home,
getting
very
incensed
quite
right
when
people
say
oh
they're,
returning
to
work
just
because
they're
returning
to
the
building
in
school
they've
been
working,
probably
harder
away
from
the
school
than
that
they
were
before.
But
it
is
that
impact.
G
I
think
it's
going
to
have
and
talk
about
inclusive
growth
in
perhaps
moving
away
from
the
traditional
centers
of
work
in
the
city
center,
and
I
agree
that
I
think
we
are
going
moving
forward
in
in
a
hybrid
sort
of
way,
and
there
is
evidence
that
working
from
home
working
in
a
very
flexible
way
increases
productivity
and
increases
job.
Satisfaction.
Because
you
can,
you
can
have
that
flexibility
around
child
care
and
various
other
things.
But,
like
you
know,
working
in
different
times
of
the
day,
if
that's
possible.
G
So
I
think
that
is
that's
probably
the
way
forward.
But
then
the
impact
that
has
a
on
the
traditional
places,
where
people
work
in
the
city
centre,
etc
on
the
office
market,
but
also
the
businesses
that
serves
those
the
those
workers
and
then
the
other
side
of
that
coin
is
the
impact
on
the
local
centers
nearer
to
where
people
live,
and
if
there
is
any
evidence
of
those
improving
and
moving
towards
that
sort
of
15-minute
neighborhood,
where
people
have
got
things
closer
to
them,
including
their
work
which
is
at
home.
G
So
sorry,
so
rambling
sort
of
question,
but
I
think
you
probably
know
where
I'm
I'm
coming
from
on
that
and
the
other
thing,
the
other
question
which
is
not
really
related,
but
it's
this
phenomenon,
I
suppose
for
one
of
a
better
word.
That's
come
now
with
with
the
move
back
to
the
office
and
lifting
the
restrictions
of
the
number
of
people
not
coming
back
into
the
labor
market,
which
I
think
is
is
is
sort
of
the
significance
of
that
one
time.
It
was
a
bit
of
noise
at
the
bottom
of
the
graph.
G
Now
it's
becoming
statistically
significant
and
economically
significant,
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
any
any
more
to
say
about
that,
whether
you
thought
it
may
it
may
sort
of
pitch
out
again
it
was.
It
was
sort
of
a
almost
like
a
a
postcode
trauma
that
people
you
know
didn't
want
to
get
back
to
work.
So
just
some
thoughts
on
that
be
helpful.
L
Thank
you
so,
just
in
relation
to
the
first
question
couple
of
evidence
points
so
from
the
kovid
19
discretionary
grants
fund,
we
know
that
there
have
been
more
businesses
in
city
centre
locations
that
have
qualified
for
those
grants
in
the
second
phase
because
of
reduced
footfall
in
key
locations
where
they
are
heavily
relying
on
office
workers.
So
without
doubt
you
know,
if
you
think,
about
wellington
place,
there
are
some
businesses
there,
for
example,
that
are
specifically
there
for
office
workers.
L
It's
that
type
of
hospitality
business
that
has
had
a
prolonged
impact
on
their
on
their
business,
and
we
know
that
from
the
kovind
19
grant
stuff.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
an
evidence
point
the
second
evidence
point
about
return
to
the
office.
I
would
say
that
in
in
very
in
competitive
areas
like
digital
businesses,
sky
betting
and
gaming
are
currently
advertising
that
you
can
work
from
anywhere
to
work
from
them
and
they're.
L
Actually,
you
know
promoting
flexibility
as
a
differentiator
for
them
as
an
employer
and
and
in
the
marketplace,
it's
very
competitive
to
secure
talent,
so
it
I
don't
expect
in
some
of
those
sectors
that
they
will
ever
go
back
to
requiring
people
to
work
five
days
a
week
in
their
their
office.
Locations
in
in
in
a
sector
like
digital
was
really
competitive,
but
what
you
do
see
in
those
office
spaces
as
if
you
go
to
sky
betting
and
gaming's
office
in
wellington.
L
Place,
for
example,
is
that
they
have
invested
in
very
good
collaborative
working
spaces.
You
know
cafeterias
event
spaces
so
that
when
their
employees
are
in
the
office
they're
doing
work.
That
means
they
can
do.
You
know
you
know,
connect
with
one
another
and
and
so
on,
so
that
is
sort
of
in
evidence.
I'm
not
saying
that's
what
we're
seeing
in
all
sectors,
but
certainly
in
the
digital
sector.
There's
some
interesting
things
happening
in
that
respect
and
on
the
question
around
sorry
on
local
centres.
L
I
don't
have
any
data
points,
but
we
did
look
at
this
in
detail
in
the
paper
we
did
about
the
future
of
local
and
city
centres
and-
and
we
would
can
return
to
that
chair
at
some
point-
if
it
would
be
useful
in
relation
to
the
labour
market
in
activity.
It's
a
bit
like
looking
into
a
crystal
ball,
so
I
can't
really
give
you
a
view,
and
there
may
be
many
things
at
play
here.
L
You
know
people
decide,
you
know
covered
being
a
primer
for
people
to
decide
to
retire
earlier
than
they
might
have
planned
people,
not
you
know,
maybe
kind
of
not
keeping
up
with
some
of
the
changes
in
in
in
the
workplace
in
terms
of
digital.
Don't
really
don't
really
have
a
firm
kind
of
evidence
base.
I
could
give
you,
but
what
I
can
say
is,
I
think,
in
our
future
talent
plan.
L
So
we
need
to
think
about
helping
people
see
the
pathways
they
might
go
down
to.
You
know
maybe
retrain
and
go
into
a
new
area
of
work
and
encourage
people
that
you
know
if
you
know,
you've
got
lots
of
time
and
lots
of
experience
to
give
after
you
know,
in
your
50s
and
60s
and
even
70s,
and
to
give
it
to
giving
to
to
different
working
environments.
L
So
I
think
that's
something
we
will
have
to
keep
working
on
with
partners
and
thinking
about
how
we
can
address
some
of
that
and-
and
if
you
want
those
older,
the
older
older
workforce,
to
come
back
in.
Actually,
flexibility
is
potentially
important
as
well,
because
they,
you
know
offering
part-time
roles
offering
some
flexes.
It's
potentially
a
way
to
encourage
them
back
in
so
yeah.
There's
a
lot
to
there's
a
lot
for
us
to
be
working
on
together
as
a
city.
A
I
mean
this.
This
is
a
kind
of
discussion
we've
had
on
a
number
of
occasions
when
we've
been
talking
about
covid
and
and
the
measures
that
have
been
introduced,
and
I
suppose
it's
a
it's
a
difficult
matrix.
It's
a
difficult
balance
to
achieve,
because,
obviously
you
don't
achieve
productivity
by
having
people
all
coming
back
together
and
spreading
covert
around
that's,
not
very
productive.
A
Jonathan
pryor,
counselor
prior
has
made
the
point
about
effective
use
of
time,
so
having
meetings
that
don't
require
travel
and
I
would
throw
into
the
mix
not
having
on
meetings
unnecessarily
face
to
face
that
could
take
place
online
and
therefore
reduce
the
number
of
unnecessary
car
journeys.
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
start
quantifying
that,
but
we've
declared
a
climate
emergency.
A
I
think,
as
a
council
and
as
counselors,
I
think
it
you
know
it
becomes
us
to
set
an
example
that
we
are
not
undertaking
unnecessary
car
journeys
that
could
be
avoided
by
other
modes
of
working.
So
all
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
there
is
quite
a
difficult
balance
to
achieve
between
all
the
various
aspects
and
it's
not
just
a
case
of
getting
as
many
people
as
possible
back
into
the
office.
But
katie.
J
Thank
you.
Can
I
pick
up
on
something
you
said
about
apprenticeships
that
I
welcome
the
launch
of
the
new
website.
My
own
personal
experience
is
that
particularly
for
young
people,
apprenticeships
is
a
really
popular
choice
and
we've
had
conversations
before
at
this
scrutiny
board
about
the
the
disconnect
with
employers
telling
us
that
they
have
vacancies,
that
they
can't
fill
and
yet
they're
being
a
pool
of
particularly
young
people
across
the
city
who
are
really
keen
for
an
apprenticeship.
So
I
really
welcome
that,
and
I
have
a
number
of
questions.
J
The
first
one
is
that
I
was
sent
an
email
this
morning.
Promoting
the
website
and
the
link
to
it
is
incorrect
and-
and
it
doesn't
take
me
there
and
when
I
searched
apprenticeship-
leads
just
in
a
search
engine.
I
think
it
took
me
to
the
old
one.
So
I
don't.
If
it
is
live
there
may
be
some
problems
that
need
ironing
out
and
then
the
second
one
was
in
the
reports.
It
says
it
was
coming
live
in
february,
so
I
think
you
said
it
is
and
a
promotional
campaign
is
planned.
J
So
what
would
that
involve?
Because
I'd
be
really
keen
to
share
it,
so
will
there
be
social
media
and
and
things
that
we
can
actually
promote
to
show
people
where
to
go?
Oh,
no.
Actually
there
was
another
one,
the
other
one
was
it.
It
says
that
there'll
be
70.
Employers
have
signed
up
to
showcase
their
apprenticeship
program
as
well,
as
that,
will
there
be
a
link
to
live
apprenticeships
so
that
people
can
actually
find
out
what's
available
now
by
visiting
the
website.
L
So
thanks
for
flagging
the
issues,
counselor
I'll,
pass
us
on
to
the
team
and
make
sure
we
rectify
them
as
soon
as
possible
and
there's
a
there's
a
whole
algorithm.
You
have
to
do
to
sort
out
the
search
engine
stuff
but
I'll
check
that
we're
on
that
to
make
sure
that
we're
going
to
the
new
website
and
also
perhaps
clear
about
when
we
might
be
shutting
the
old
website
down.
So
thank
you
for
that
feedback,
the
on
the
social
on
this
promotional
campaign.
L
Yes,
I'm
sure
the
team
will
have
social
media
planned
and
so
on.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
ensure
that
members
are
provided
with
that
toolkit
and
updated
through
the
usual
member
updates,
so
that
you
can
so
that
you
can
promote
that.
So
I'll
also
pick
that
up
with
the
team
and
I
need
to
double
check,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
there
are
live
apprenticeships
on
the
website,
but
I'll
confirm
that
in
writing
just
to
to
make
sure
I'm
not
telling
you
something
that
isn't
accurate.
A
E
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
quick
question
about
your
initial
point
is
that
the
economy's
is
showing
signs
of
recovery
and
is
now
larger
than
it
was
in
2019
and
we
are
seeing
some
some
growth.
Presumably
this
is
gdp
that
you're
referring
to
yeah
on
point
on
point
one
national
economic
contacts.
I'm
presuming
that
that
we're
referring
to
gdp
there,
however
yeah
and
as
well
as
you
know,
being
some
growth
and
consumer
spending
being
being
up
as
well.
E
Consumer
spending
is
always
impacted
by
house
prices
rising
and,
and
it's
likely
that
that's
going
to
slow
down
as
well
as,
of
course,
inflation
as
well
so
is.
Is
that
accurate
and
now
we
work
and
and
we've
got
to
work
with
what
what
we're
given
with
and
what,
but
do
we
take
in?
Do
we
factor
in
that
growth
may
slow
down,
and
does
that?
Do
we
change
tax
in
in
those
circumstances,
especially
I'm
referring
to
consumer
spending
on
things
like
the
high
street.
L
So
what
what
you're
saying
I
think
is
is
what
we
might
expect
to
happen
in
the
next
few
months.
So,
of
course,
with
inflation
rising.
We
would
expect,
as
quite
as
sort
of
reported
by
economic
commentators
in
the
news
really
as
well,
that
you
would
expect
that
households
will
begin
to
spend
less
at
least
on
luxury
items,
because
the
costs
are
the
cost
increasing.
L
But
the
the
the
trends
that
we
saw
just
to
post
lockdown,
however,
was
that,
because
of
the
the
reference
that
was
made
to
the
increasing
inequalities,
actually
people
that
were
more
affluent
saved
a
lot
of
money
during
lockdown
and
have
been
spending
and
have
been
spending
that
money
in
the
economy.
L
E
I
think
what
what
that
really
demonstrates
is
that
kind
of
gdp
and
growth
is
quite
a
it's
quite
a
broad
measure.
It's
quite
a
blunt
instrument.
There
can
be
a
lot
going
on
beneath
that
initial
figure.
The
economy
may
be
growing,
but
as
and
he's
saying,
kind
of
spending
patterns
can
change
and
there
can
be
there's,
obviously
a
huge
cost
of
living
crisis.
But
if
that
means
people
are
still
spending
all
of
their
money,
that
means
kind
of
the
economy
could
still
technically
be
growing,
while
people
are
suffering.
So
it's
it's.
E
D
D
And
then
at
page
47
in
relation
to
eat
leads
campaign.
Is
there
a
graphic
that
can
be
shared
with
members,
so
we
can.
L
Spread
that
in
our
communities
thanks,
so
we
do
have
that-
I
do
have
that
number
and
I'll
provide
it
in
writing
around
the
previous
previous
year
and
on
the
graphic,
I'm
not
sure,
but
I'm
pretty,
I'm
pretty
sure
we'll
have
social
media
content
we're
using.
So
it's
saying
in
relation
to
the
apprenticeship
stuff
I'll
make
sure
it
comes
out
through
a
member
of
the
update.
A
A
This,
obviously,
as
the
report
says,
goes
back
to
an
inquiry
that
a
joint
inquiry
that
we
undertook
some
years
ago,
but
basically
the
thrust
of
it
is:
are
we
as
a
city
and
a
council
getting
the
right
properties
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
price,
and
that
obviously
includes
a
number
of
bedrooms,
whether
they're
meeting
specific
housing
needs
and
and
the
type
of
tenure
right?
I
think
everyone's
now
seated.
A
C
I'll
start
because
I
was
late
at
the
beginning,
so
I'm
helen
hayden
council
for
temple,
museum
and
executive
member
for
infrastructure
and
climate,
which,
as
of
may
includes
housing
growth
as
well
as
the
planning
directorate.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
chair
good
morning,
just
last,
but
not
least,
as
always
so
obviously
assume
that
they've
taken
the
report
is
read
we're
going
to
go
through
each
recommendation
in
turn
and
open
up
after
discussing
the
counselor,
which
is
all
that
we'll
do
questions
at
the
end
of
each
recommendation.
D
As
you
can
see,
I've
brought
some
colleagues
along
with
me,
so
I
won't
do
all
the
talking
and
they
are
they've
come
contributed
to
the
report
that
we've
brought
together
for
you.
So
I
thought
it
may
be
more
helpful
to
have
the
more
expertise.
People
here
on
certain
things
so
recommend
recommendation
three.
Is
the
chief
planning
officer
arranges
for
plans
panel
members
to
receive
further
information
and
training
on
best
practice
in
dealing
with
scheme
viability,
appraisals
in
collaboration
with
the
west,
yorkshire
authorities
and
the
planning
advisory
service?
D
My
desired
outcome
is
obviously
to
improve
movement
to
elected
members,
skills
and
knowledge,
as
you
can
see
from
the
reports
that
the
viability
has
taken
training
has
taken
place.
It
was
a
virtual
session
with
all
members
invited-
and
I
think,
that's
now
part
of
the
annual
sort
of
training
and
something
was
quite
good.
D
I've
seen
the
presentation
now
learned
a
few
things
and
now
the
last
paragraph
in
the
report
that
was
discussed
with
councillor
trustwell
is
that
it's
sort
of
raising
the
issue
about
how
affordable
housing
and
in
in
viability
and
that
a
majority
of
or
appears
the
majority
of
viability
appraisals
come
either
in
the
city
centre
or
on
brownfield
sites
and
obviously
with
affordable
housing
being
the
most
costly
section,
106
obligation
we
just.
I
know
that
was
a
point
that
you
wanted
putting
in
the
report
yeah.
So
that's
the
end
of
recommendation.
D
A
Sorry
there
is
a
my
voice,
is
probably
booming
enough
to
carry
but,
and
it
won't
get
recorded.
There
is
a
concern
among
some
members
that
the
use
of
viability
has
been
employed
by
developers
to
get
out
of
meeting
their
planning
reply,
climates,
especially
for
affordable
housing.
So
I
think
the
board
and
no
need
to
go
into
a
huge
amount
of
detail
would
welcome
some.
Some
reassurance
on
that.
A
Second
point
is
that,
historically,
we
have
always
had
quite
a
large
figure
relating
to
the
number
of
brownfield
sites
that
had
planning
permission
but
were
not
being
built
out,
because
obviously
there
is
the
concern
that
developers
really
want
to
exploit
greenfield
sites
in
outer
areas
in
particular
and
to
build.
You
know,
properties
from
which
they
derive
lucrative
profits.
So
I
think
it's
those
two
elements:
where
are
we
with
the
outstanding
brownfield
sites?
A
Because,
obviously
you
know
we
would
always
as
a
council-
and
I
think
this
is
across
the
board-
want
a
brownfield
first
approach
as
far
as
possible
and,
secondly,
how
robust
is
the
system
that
is
applied
to
claims
of
viability
which
is
now
enshrined
in
law
by
developers.
I
Sheriff
I'll
just
come
back
on
the
the
lan,
the
housing
land
pipeline.
I
think,
whilst
some
point
in
the
past,
it
may
have
been
that
there
was
a
large
amount
of
brownfield
land
sort
of
stuck
in
the
housing
pipeline.
Our
evidence
shows
that
that's
really
no
longer
the
case.
I
That's
now
really
changed
and
shifted
and
we're
finding
that
most
of
our
completions
are
now
happening
within
the
city
centre,
to
complement
and
supplement
those
that
are
happening
around
the
city
sites
that
were
released
greenfield
sites
released
through
the
site
allocations,
plan
which
was
adopted
in
in
2019,
are
coming
through,
but
we're
actually
finding
that
counter-intuitively
they're
actually
taking
their
time
to
come
through
and
actually
start
construction.
I
So
I
do
think
it's
it's
a
healthy,
reasonably
balanced
housing
pipeline
and
that's
good
for
the
council,
because
it
maintains
its
five-year
housing,
land
supply.
C
Thank
you.
On
top
of
that,
the
team
have
worked
really
hard
and
I
go
to
the
place
regeneration
of
kind
of
finance
at
wika
to
to
get
finance
to
release
the
brownfield
sites
to
make
them
to
make
them
viable.
C
In
terms
of
you
know,
kind
of
a
contamination
of
the
land
and-
and
things
like
that
and
leeds
has
really
worked
hard
to
get
that
funding
which
comes
through
wyka
in
order
to
those
brownfield
sites
are,
are
viable
and
especially
for
affordable
housing,
which
we
were
talking
about
in
the
in
the
last
item.
I
was
being
talked
about
in
the
last
item.
C
So
if,
if
they're,
not,
if
they're,
not
if
they're
far
too
expensive
to
clean
up,
then
the
chances
of
affordable
housing
being
developed
on
them
is
much
much
less.
So
the
brownfire
housing
at
barnfield
lands
and
funding
has
really
really
helped,
especially
those
city
center
sites,
and
I've
really
had
to
fight.
Because
if
you
look
at
the
the
list
that
comment
that
was
made
earlier
for
councillor
bentley
about
everything
coming
to
leeds-
and
that
was
said
in
in
in
the
in
the
meeting-
and
why
is
leads
getting
all
this
funding?
C
Well,
it's
because
we
are
putting
a
brownfield
first
policy
and
we
are
working
really
hard
to
secure
that
funding.
So,
yes,
we
are
getting
more
than
the
other
authorities
and
because
we
have
that
housing
land
supply
and
that
and
and
the
bids
going
forward.
Thank
you.
I
The
the
approach
is
dealt
with
through
the
planning
application
process,
whereby
developers
have
to
submit
evidence
that
evidence
is
scrutinized
by
the
district
valuer
to
ensure
that
it's
it
stacks
up
and
it's
appropriate,
and
we
are
finding
that
there
is
a
lot
of
viability.
I
Appraisals
being
submitted
to
us
off
the
back
of
a
particular
housing
model,
which
is
the
build
to
rent
model,
which
is,
I
think,
it's
fair
to
say
still
in
its
infancy
within
the
city.
It's
it's
had
a
few
years
to
get
a
foothold
in
manchester
and
london,
but
on
the
one
hand,
the
bill
to
rent
sector
is
what's
driving
the
delivery
of
housing
in
the
city
centre
on
the
other.
I
It's
still
feeling
its
way
in
in
terms
of
how
to
make
that
stack
up
viably
within
the
leads
market,
and
the
margins
are
quite
tight
on
that.
That
said,
we
are
looking
in
more
detail
at
scheme
viability
for
built
to
rent
so
as
to
assist
us
as
a
council
in
deciding
well
do
we
want
to
carry
on
with
this
type
of
product
in
the
city
center
if
it
is
unable
to
deliver
the
appropriate
housing
that
the
city
needs.
I
So
work
is
ongoing
at
the
moment
and
we're
working
with
cushman
and
wakefield
to
really
interrogate
the
the
viability
case
strategically
within
the
city
centre
to
see
whether
or
not
we
need
to
look
at
sort
of
managing
that
policy
in
a
different
way.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
martin,
so
the
we
have
to
agree
the
position
status
on
this.
Clearly,
it's
a
report
that
goes
back
some
years
and
I
think
part
of
the
problem
is
that
the
annual
monitoring
of
past
reports,
the
particular
recommendations,
get
a
little
outdated,
but
as
with
this,
the
issues
remain
just
as
important
in
the
present.
So
can
I
suggest
that
we
give
this
a
a
for
status,
which
is
basically
acceptable
process
at
progress,
but
that
we
will
continue
monitoring
and
it
just
allows
us
to
keep
it
on
the
agenda?
Okay,
thank
you.
D
Recommendation
for
is
that
the
chief
playing
officer
reports
back
to
the
relevant
exclusion
board
on
the
implementation,
success
of
proposed
assessment
guidance
and
other
proposed
actions
around
housing
need
assessment.
I
think
looking
through
the
report,
this
got
hnas
and
hmas,
and
things
like
that
and
it's
got
a
bitter
over
time.
D
Obviously,
discussions
have
occurred
and
things
have
changed
into
hmas,
but
I
think,
just
briefly
before
I
introduce
my
colleague
christa
who
has
inputted
into
the
report,
is
that
obviously
I
know
that
housing
needs
assessments
are
quite
fundamental,
especially
linking
its
policy
h4
in
terms
of
the
text
of
the
policies,
I
think
that's
probably
where
it's
come
from
originally.
D
Obviously
we
were
seeking
some
training
and
that
contract
ended
with
with
the
company.
So
we
are
looking
at
looking
at
doing
it.
D
Some
more
looking
to
source
some
training
on
a
housing
need
assessments
for
officers,
obviously
that's
quite
integral
in
terms
of
sites
over
250,
which
obviously
is
quite
key
to
the
city
centre
and
in
smaller
areas
it's
over
it's
for
50
units
or
more
so
we
are
aware
that
that's
quite
that
is
a
neat
training
need
for
us
and
that
we
are
working
on
it
because
we
know
some
of
the
key
issues
that
come
out
from
puns
panels
is
you
know
they
talk
about
supply
a
lot
and
what
the
demand
is
not
what
for
the
long
term
needed.
D
B
Yeah,
just
to
pick
up
on
the
housing
market
assessments
that
we
undertake
and
we've
kind
of
commissioned
those
work
through
through
regeneration
service
in
the
past
and
the
housing
market
assessments
is
basically
a
set
of
data
collation
to
look
at
where
the
the
housing
market
is
in
certain
neighborhoods.
B
So
the
ones
that
we've
done
most
recently
are
in
holbeck,
lincoln,
green
and
morley,
with
the
holbeck
and
lincoln
green
and
housing
market
assessments
looking
to
support
our
priority.
Neighborhood
works
in
regeneration
and
also
the
morley
work
looking
to
support
the
the
towns
fund
working
morally
as
well.
These
these
works
are
kind
of
really
very
data
driven
kind
of
assessments,
and
it
is
to
look
at
how
we
kind
of
target
our
resources
target
funding
bids
and
look
at
opportunities
in
the
markets
for
housing
and
development.
B
I
think
those
housing
market
assessments
have
now
been
shared.
Is
that
correct.
D
We
found
it
quite
hard
to
work
out
how
to
share
such
big
megabytes,
but
I
think
the
best
way
is
that
they
are
available
and
if
maybe
contact
your
team
or
if
you
give
us
a
contact
so
that
they
can
be
made,
can
be
accessible
because
they're,
not
in
the
public
domain.
I
don't
think
no.
B
I'm
happy
to
share
them.
I
think
they
are
very,
very
data
driven
and
if
there's
any
questions
on
those,
then
you
can
please
kind
of
kind
of
forward.
Those
on
to
me.
A
B
I'll
pick
up
the
housing
market
assessments
point
those
have
can
be
shared
with
members
as
they
requested
in
terms
of
consultation,
more
public
consultation.
A
Okay,
but
it
does
contribute
to
the
council's
thinking
around
housing
in
a
particular
area
and
therefore
I
would
have
thought
at
least
ward
member.
Active
involvement,
rather
than
passive
involvement
might
be,
might
be
helpful,
but
perhaps
I'm
wrong.
A
Okay
and
how
housing
need
I
mean.
The
reason
I
raise
these
issues
is
that
housing,
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
right
across
the
piece,
is
one
of
the
major
concerns
both
in
terms
of
individuals
and
communities
that
we
face
as
councillors
and
obviously
I
think
we
have
a
legitimate
input
to
make
into
those
processes
where
the
finished
documentation,
whatever
it's
called,
has
some
influence
on
the
trajectory
of
housing
development
in
our
particular
areas.
D
In
terms
of
housing
need
assessments,
obviously
they're
generally
linked
to
the
policy
itself
in
terms
of,
as
I
said
earlier,
about
the
size,
and
things
like
that,
so
obviously
hnas
are
supposed
to
they're
supposed
to
explain
how
they've
come
to
that
housing
need
their
their
housing
mix
for
that
scheme.
Obviously,
that's
linked
to
the
student
housing
market
assessment,
I'm
sure
at
some
point
that
will
be
updated
through
local
plan
updates,
obviously
directed
by
members,
so
hna's,
it's
more
that
we
do
when
we
get
them
in.
D
We
do
discuss
them
as
officers,
because
a
lot
of
it
is
oh
well,
it's
just
it's
so
well.
The
demand
is
this
is
what
the
estate
agent's
saying.
So
we
are
really
challenging
those-
and
I
know
that
I
hope
that's
coming
across
in
in
our
consultation
responses
and
then
also
in
in
planned
panels
that
we
are
challenged
that
the
actual
policy
itself,
not
the
preferred
table,
is
that
it's
the
long-term
need
across
all
housing.
So
that
is
the
actual
policy.
D
Yeah
hna's
generally
for
us
in
terms
of
processing
planning
applications
will
come
in
as
part
of
a
through
a
planning
statement
or
an
individual
housing
need
assessment
so
which
obviously
available
as
part
of
the
part
of
the
online
information
through
public
access.
So
that's
how
that
they
coming
to
us
for
assessment
in
terms
of
housing.
Market
assessments
will
come
in
with
driven
buyers
and
data.
A
D
My
colleague
ian
mckay
who's,
the
neighborhood
planning
and
engagement
team
leader
will
update
you
where
we
are
and
also
provided
the
position
statement
for
you.
M
I
think
I'll
I'll
refer
you,
I
think,
to
appendix
three
and
and
the
outcomes
I
think,
would
be
the
most
appropriate
place
to
touch
on.
We
have
19.
We
now
have
19
made
neighborhood
plans
and
leaves
which-
which,
incidentally,
is
more
than
the
than
the
hall
of
london.
These
range
in
variety
greatly
from
from
small
villages
right
through
to
inner
city
communities
and
we're
currently
providing
support
to
more
than
15
other
neighborhood
areas,
many
of
which
are
in
deprived
communities
as
well.
M
The
hallback
and
walton
neighborhood
planning
award.
I
mean,
even
though
it
was
back
in
2018,
which
is
obviously
some
time
ago,
does
continue
to
inspire
quite
a
number
of
groups
in
the
city.
It
does
say
a
really
good
benchmark,
especially
the
holbeck
plan.
I
think
in
terms
of
actually
the
sustainability
of
neighborhood
planning
in
communities
like
holbeck.
M
Overall
we've
got
310
policies
in
neighborhood
plans.
Some
of
these
have
been
quite
successful,
some
of
them
some
of
these
have
yet
to
be
tested,
but
but
they
do
include
things
which
really
have
made
a
big
impact
on
communities,
and
I
think
one
of
these
would
be
the
local
green
spaces.
Designation,
many
people
don't
realize
that
local
green
spaces
below
0.2
of
a
hectare
are
not
protected.
M
So
within
many
communities,
especially
the
urban
communities.
Those
smaller
green
spaces
are
really
important
and
neighborhood
planning
is
a
is
a
great
opportunity
to
offer
protection
to
those
species.
So
310
is
quite
a
significant
number
of
spaces
across
across
the
district
205
non-designated
heritage
assets
as
well.
That
doesn't
mean
protection,
however,
that
just
means
that
these
are
important
assets
and
must
be
considered
in
any
development
proposals
where
we
are
now
is
on
a
a
pilot
program
which
is
just
started
and
just
recently
been
introduced
by
the
government.
M
There's
two
aspects
to
that
program:
one
is
encouraging
more
neighborhood
planning
in
deprived
communities
and
the
other
is
the
simplified
form
of
neighborhood
planning.
We're
involved
in
the
latter,
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
labgate,
hair
hills,
chapel,
town
and
potentially
other
communities
and
leads
will
be
taking
part
in
that
pilot.
M
So,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good
learning,
a
lot
of
lessons
to
be
learned
and
and
of
course,
some
things
that
we
perhaps
wouldn't
do
again,
and
we've
had
10
years
of
learning
on
neighborhood
planning
and-
and
I
think
hopefully,
the
thing
that
will
come
out
of
future
neighborhood
plans
will
be
an
attention
to
climate
change,
because
many
of
the
plans
that
we
have
in
the
city
were
formulated
before
many
of
the
recent
discussions
around
the
climate
change
agenda.
K
K
Really
is
at
the
basis
of
a
quality
neighborhood
plan.
Is
the
turnout
on
the
referendums
of
these
of
these
plans
from
memory
when
I've
seen
when
I've
asked
the
question
previously
and
I've
seen
the
answer,
the
turnout
on
of
these
referendums
of
overwhelmingly
low
and
even
in
when
the
horse
with
one
was
adopted,
and
in
horsworth
we
have
an
active
community
interested
in
planning
interested
in
development
for
the
site
allocations
plan.
K
So
what
are
we
doing
for
areas
where,
where
communities
have
maybe
less
of
an
interest
in
planning
to
ensure
that
we
are
getting
through
to
people
that
people
are
looking
at
and
reading
as
best
as
anyone
can
understand
what
with
planning
terms
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
that
they're
accessible
and
that
turnout
is
actually
increasing
because
I'd
be
inc,
I'd
like
to
see
actually
to
turn
out
for
the
various
ones
where
they
started
previously
and
hopefully
we're
seeing
better
engagement
as
the
city
develops
more
of
these.
K
M
Thank
you
for
that.
That's
helpful
feedback.
I
mean
the
turnout
that
we've
had
in
leeds
so
far
has
varied
from
about
14
right
up
to
66,
so
it
has
been
it's
quite
difficult
to
generalize,
but
in
many
cases
the
turnout
has
been
higher
than
it
has
been
for
local
elections.
M
In
other
cases,
it's
been
below
that
level.
So
it
does
it's
quite
difficult
to
to
understand
why
that
is,
and
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
actual
referendum
itself.
There
are
some
very
strict
rules
in
place
in
terms
of
what
the
council
can
do
to
promote
a
referendum,
but
I
think
the
main
the
main
indication
is
that
if
communities
feel
that
they
have
been
properly
involved
in
the
neighborhood
planning
process-
and
they
recognize
the
issues
in
that
neighborhood
plan,
then
they're
more
likely
to
turn
out
and
vote
and
then
more
likely
to
vote.
M
Yes
in
terms
of
the
pilot
program,
we
are
exploring
or
going
to
explore
potential
alternatives
to
the
referendum.
Is
that
is
there
a
is
there?
Is
there
a
process
that
could
be
more
inclusive
is?
Are
there
is
there
a
process
that
could
offer
options
to
different
types
of
communities
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
end
of
the
neighborhood
planning
process,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
interesting
area.
That's
worthwhile,
exploring.
K
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
do
get
what
you're
saying
and
I
think
it
it's.
The
higher
turnout
places,
I
think,
will
be
concentrated
areas
like
boston,
spa
which
have
maybe
a
more
affluent
and,
dare
I
say,
educated
community,
who
are
probably
more
active
in
the
planning
matters
such
as
defending
the
green
belt.
K
That
sort
of
thing
so
there's
already
an
interest
there
and
I
think
it's
more
difficult
for
potentially
in
a
city
city
areas
to
get
that
motivation,
and
I
think
that's
that
that
is
where
we
need
to
concentrate,
because
they
may
not
be
the
same
issues,
but
planning
does
affect
everyone
wherever
they
are
and
getting
that
engagement
is
really
important.
So
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
do
better.
K
I
think
the
turnouts
aren't
presented
as
a
standard
because
I
think
it
it
might
look
as
though
the
quality
of
it
is
compromised
with
low
turnout,
whether
or
not
it's
met
the
statutory
turnout
that
needs
to
be
to
be
adopted
or
not.
I
I
think
I
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
do
need
to
look
at
and
make
sure
that
all
communities
are
involved
in
decisions
as
best
as
possible
and
whether
or
not
we
can
promote
promote
the
referendum.
K
As
such,
there
is
a
lot
of
work
that
can
be
done
before
that
time
to
ensure
that
communities
are
involved
and
have
access
to
to
as
much
information
as
possible
to
get
them
involved
in
the
process.
A
Before
you
come
in
helen
and
before
ian
responds
just
so
that
we've
got
a
fix
on
this,
is
the
council
simply
a
facilitator
of
the
referendum,
or
does
it
have
a
role
in
promoting
the
plan?
Because
my
understanding
is
that
the
plans
come
from
a
group
that
hopefully
will
reflect
the
community
and
hopefully
will
engage
the
community
and
will
hopefully
promote
that
plan?
But
you
know
just
where
does
the
council's
role
when
it
comes
to
the
referendum
begin
and
end.
M
It
is
purely
as
a
facilitator
chair.
We
have
no
role
in
promoting
the
referendum
and
it's
making
sure
that
it's
run
properly,
that
that
is
the
main
domain
rule
in
terms
of
the
group
themselves.
They
can,
of
course,
promote
the
referendum,
but
they
have
to
be
careful
in
how
in
how
they
do
that
there
are
some
rules
around
referendums
for
neighborhood
planning,
which
are
actually
the
same
for
any
any
referendum.
A
So,
just
to
be
clear,
I
might
be
being
a
bit
obtuse
here.
It
is
the
role
of
those
putting
the
plan
forward
to
promote
it
and
not
the
council,
and
one
wonders
whether
in
some
cases
the
low
turnout
is
a
result
of
the
failure
to
to
engage
in
jonathan
makes
a
point.
You
know
clearly
a
number
of
communities.
A
They
do
not
fall
over
themselves,
individually
or
collectively
to
engage
in
this
sort
of
process.
But
then
the
point
that
he
made
about
whether
it
actually
represents
a
local
community
is
a
difficult
one.
But
it's
not
the
council's
role
to
determine
that
purely
to
act
as
an
administrative
facilitator
of
the
of
the
referendum
I
mean.
Presumably
there
you
can
point
groups
in
the
direction
of
good
practice
and
examples
of
where
groups
in
similar
communities
have
undertaken
the
promotion,
but
we
can't
actually
do
it
ourselves.
C
If
I
could
come
in
on
that
point,
I'd,
I
think
even
a
general
election
would
be
happy
with
66
percent
turn
out
and
and
getting
people
to
turn
out
and
vote
is,
is
very,
very
difficult
and,
as
it's
been
clarified
there,
it's
not
actually
and
the
role
of
the
council
to
promote
the
referendum.
C
In
fact,
if
we
look
at
all
of
these
plans,
they
would
not
they
would
struggle
to
be
in
existence
if
it
wasn't
for
the
hard
work
and
support
and
relationship
building
from
ian
and
his
team,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
thank
them
for
them,
because
we
are
an
outlier
as
a
city
in
terms
of
our
neighborhood
planning
and
it
and
again
it's
something.
I've
been
really
impressed
with
in
the
last
year
of
coming
into
this.
C
But
if
we
look
at
the
holbeck
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
ian,
but
it
was
really
bad
snow
that
day
and
they
still
managed
to
get
people,
people
still
came
out
and
voted
and
it
passed
the
criteria,
didn't
it
in
terms
of
the
threshold.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
people
of
holbeck
on
that
very,
very
snowy
day.
I
remember
I
remember
that
weather
and
it
you
know
to
come
out
and
vote
on
the.
C
What
is
a
a
planning
issue
is
really
impressive
for
that
community
and
also
to
go-
and
you
know,
people
around
leeds
are
very
passionate
about
planning
in
very
diverse
areas.
So
ian
and
his
team
attended,
a
meeting
in
hair
hills
were
looking
this
year
and
the
passion
was
overwhelming
and
in
fact
people
in
tears
are
so
passionate
about
about
hair
hills
and
their
local
community,
and
you
know
it's
not
just
about
preserving
it's
about
good
development
and
and
taking
that
area
on
forward
in
the
future.
C
So
yeah
I'd
say
that
people
are
very
involved
and,
and
that's
incredibly
impressive
throughout
the
throughout
the
city.
A
K
So
so
I'm
in
no
way
diminishing
that.
But
I
do
think
we
need
to.
We
do
need
to
look
at
the
turnout
levels
and
make
sure
that
we
are
seeing,
hopefully,
an
upward
trend
so
that
if
there
is
something
that
we
we
can
learn
that
we
can
take
forward
to
the
next
round
of
of
plans
that
are
coming
forward,
we're
seeing
improvements
and
more
engagement
and
for
me,
the
only
way
we
can
see
and
measure
a
better
engagement
is
the
level
of
turnout.
K
So
I
I'd
hope
that
it's
not
coming
as
sort
of
an
attack
on
the
council,
because
that's
not
how
I
wanted
it
to
come
across,
but
I
do
think
it
it's
important
from
the
from
the
responses.
I've
had
to
my
questions
that
we
have
a
little
bit
of
reflection
and
say
that
there
is
lessons
that
possibly
can
be
learned,
and
there
is
work
that
we
can
do
to
try
and
increase
the
level
of
engagement
and
turn
out
at
these.
These
things.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
we'll
take
that
as
a
comment,
and
the
final
comment
that
I
will
throw
in
from
the
chair
is
that
I
suspect
that
participation
depends
on
being
able
to
convince
people
that
their
participation
is
worthwhile
and
that
neighborhood
plans
are
actually
worth
the
paper
on
which
they're
printed,
and
I
just
leave
that
as
a
rhetorical
observation,
because
I
know
that
some
people
have
been
disappointed
as
to
what
they
can
achieve
and
what
they
got.
Jonathan.
G
G
On
neighborhood
plans
is
there
any
plan
to
do
evaluations
of
them
as
a
as
a
neighborhood
plan?
Skeptic
it'd
be
good
to
see
in
in
the
fullness
of
time
when
a
neighborhood
plan
has
been
around
for
a
while.
What
benefit
is
accrued
to
the
to
the
community
that
they
wouldn't
have
got?
Had
the
neighborhood
plan
not
been
there?
G
M
Yeah
very
much
so
I
mean
I've
actually
taken
part
in
the
government's
recent
review
of
neighborhood
planning
alongside
the
university
of
reading
and
and
that
the
the
results
of
that
piece
of
work
very
much
reflected
what's
going
on
in
leeds,
and
that
is
quite
clearly,
you
cannot
generalize
about
neighborhood
planning.
M
You
know
the
key
lesson
to
come
out
of
the
past
10
years
is
that
everyday
bridge
every
neighborhood
is
different.
Every
every
neighborhood
is
trying
to
achieve
something
different,
and
the
contrast
in
leeds
is
quite
is
quite
significant.
Councillor
haydn
mentioned
hair
hills
and
so
far
the
benefit
of
neighbourhood
planning
to
them
is
the
opportunity
to
come
together
as
a
community,
because
they
haven't
had
a
community
group
previous
to
neighborhood
planning.
That
in
itself
is
highly
valuable
in
terms
of
social
capital.
M
If
you
look
at
walton,
for
example,
small
village,
just
over
100
homes,
but
yet
that
neighborhood
plan
has
allocated
three
sites
to
meet
local
housing
needs,
and
you
know
planning
applications
have
come
in
for
all
of
these
already.
So
it's
very
much
different
things
for
different
communities
and-
and
I
think
it
relates
in
some
way
to
you-
know
an
interesting
statistic
around
neighborhood
planning
in
leeds
there
are
about
roughly
3
000
people
who
are
members
of
neighborhood
planning
groups.
M
So
in
some
ways
it's
not
just
about
the
the
the
turnout
is
actually
about
the
engagement
and
about
the
consultation,
and
that
in
itself
is
a
really
important
indicator
of
building
up
capacity
and
understanding,
not
just
about
neighbourhood
planning
but
but
actually
in
terms
of
the
other
planning
work
that
we're
doing
in
the
city.
When
communities
have
a
successful
neighborhood
planning
experience,
they're
more
likely
to
take
part
in
other
council
planning
consultations
that
we're
undertaking,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
come
back
to
scrutiny
on
those
review.
M
Questions
in
particular
around
the
pilot
program
that
we're
just
about
to
be
looking
at
and
we'll
be
taking
on
board.
Many
of
those
issues
that
have
been
raised.
A
Thank
you
ian.
That's
that's
very
helpful
and
anything
that
acts
as
a
vehicle
to
increase
public
knowledge
of
the
planning
process.
I
think,
is
to
be
welcome
in
its
own
right,
because
we
all
know
that
so
many
of
our
constituents
think
that
the
council
is
the
be
all
and
end
all
and
has
absolute
discretion
over
what
it
what
it
approves
and
what
it
doesn't,
and
you
know
people
find
it
very
sobering
when
they
learn
just
how
many
constraints
we
operate
under.
Okay.
Thank
you
for
that.
A
Could
I
suggest
that
we
we
move
on
and
that
we
give
that
a
again
a
four
so
that
we
continue.
I
think
this
discussion
has
demonstrated
the
value
of
us
continuing
to
look
at
this
either
as
part
of
the
annual
monitoring
or
maybe
separately
at
some
stage.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
that
takes
something
to
page
77
recommendation.
Eight.
A
D
Yep
recommendation
eight
is
that
the
chief
planning
officer
reports
back
to
the
appropriate,
exclusionary
board
the
improvements
to
housing
makes
achieved
through
the
practice
of
disking
discussing,
makes
a
pre-op
application
stage,
get
my
teeth
in
sorry,
and
the
desired
outcome
is
that
housing
mix
is
disgusting,
developed
at
the
earliest
opportunity.
D
Now
I
hope
that
the
tables
and
the
stats
in
the
in
the
report
show
that
progress
is
being
made
each
year.
I
know
there's
lots
of
information
there
and
lots
of
lines
in
tables,
but
obviously
housing
mix
goes
back
to
the
to
the
core
strategy
adopted
in
2012.
I
think
it
was
from
memory,
so
we
think
that's
highlighted
some
really
positive
and
significant
changes
in
terms
of
housing
mix.
D
We
are
at
the
earlier
stage
through
pre-applications
in
pre-applications,
and
also
noted
that
it
plans
all
across
the
plans
panels
it's
being
raised
as
a
real
key
area.
Recently
at
city
center
plans
panel
at
the
latitude
b
site,
that
was
really
pushed
as
an
agenda
to
get
more
three
bed
units,
which
is
a
really
positive
thing.
D
I
think
that
was
an
application,
but
I
know
that
lots
of
pre-applications
are
going,
so
we
do
believe
that
we
are
making
a
positive
change
and
that
we
are
improving
the
housing
mix
across
the
district
table.
One
shows
that
the
data
across
the
city
district
is
skewered,
obviously
by
including
the
city
centre,
and
previously
we
have
included
now
the
city
centre
excluded,
so
to
speak
from
stats
and
on
their
own.
There.
We
have
tables
1amb,
which
I
just
said
exclude
the
city
center
and
one
for
the
city
centre.
D
Only
table
1a
shows
that
not
including
the
city
centre
starts
that
there's
been
a
significant
increase
in
the
delivery
of
two
bed.
D
Units
which
has
been
an
area
of
concern
raves
previously
and
also
the
table,
shows
that
the
delivery
of
four
plus
bedrooms
has
come
down
significantly,
which
was
raised
as
a
concern
previously
also
table
one
b
purely
the
city
center
shows
it
shows
obviously
a
lot
of
one-bedroom
units,
and
this
is
to
be
expected,
taking
into
account
the
context
of
student
accommodation,
students,
geo
flats
and
the
permitted
development
rights
for
the
claims
of
use
of
offices
to
residential,
which
we
have
absolutely
no
control
over.
D
D
Any
update
that
possibly
coming
is
potentially
through
a
local
plan.
Update
too,
which
will
obviously
look
at
housing,
obviously
led
by
members
and
will
be
brought
back
to
scrutiny
board
on
any
proposed
scoping
for
housing
in
the
future.
I'm
now
going
to
pass
to
my
colleague,
christa
on
the
affordable
housing
elements
of
the
report.
B
Thank
you
table
4
in
in
the
report,
shows
affordable
housing
completions
over
the
last
eight
years,
and
you
can
see
there
that
about
50
of
delivery
is
coming
through
our
rp
partners.
That's
our
registered
provider
partners
in
the
city
with
25
through
section
106
delivery
and
25
through
council
council
housing
programs
through
direct
delivery.
B
Last
year,
it's
really
positive
that
we've
got
we
delivered
just
under
600,
affordable
homes
in
the
city,
which
is
the
highest
it's
been
for
10
years
or
even
more
than
that,
and
which
is
a
real
positive
impact
in
terms
of
homes,
england,
funding
coming
forward
and
also
the
strategic
partnerships
that
homes
england
now
have,
and
with
a
number
of
rp
partners
in
the
city
now
starting
to
take
and
place
and
take
some
momentum
in
that
area
and
section
106.
B
Delivery
has
been
slightly
lower
than
the
previous
two
years,
which
is
largely
a
result
of
a
lot
of
the
housing
being
delivered
in
the
city
centre
in
areas
where
we've
got
seven
percent,
affordable
housing
requirement,
rather
than
the
35
areas,
and
but
we're
expecting
that
to
change
over
over
the
future
years
as
we
come
forward.
B
Just
to
really
pick
up
some
of
the
detail
in
this
in
terms
of
our
housing
need
and
the
strategic
housing
market
assessment
outlines
that
we
will
require
1230,
affordable
homes
per
annum
and
that's
broken
down
with
an
in-year
need
of
434
homes
per
annum,
and
then
a
backlog
need
which
we
need
to
meet
because
of
them.
I've
been
able
to
deliver
the
numbers
in
previous
years
and
I'll.
Let
martin
come
on
to
any
more
detail
on
that.
If
we
need
it.
B
Just
to
note,
then,
looking
at
that
kind
of
in-year
need
obviously
we're
delivering
and
595
homes
last
year,
we're
actually
meeting
now
in
year
knee,
which
is
really
positive
and
moving
forward.
Looking
to
the
future,
we
are
looking
to
deliver
further
homes
about
700
being
projected
in
our
pipeline
per
annum.
B
For
the
next
few
years,
we've
recently
undertaken
some
work
with
our
rrp
partners
and
to
look
at
what
we're
calling
the
leeds,
affordable
housing
challenge,
which
is
really
looking
to
unlock
housing,
delivery
in
the
city
and
try
and
meet
that
need
of
1
230
homes.
B
And
in
that
work
we've
started
to
look
at
what
what
the
key
barriers
and
risks
are,
and
one
of
the
three
of
the
key
things
really
are
one
land
availability.
That's
not
to
say
that
we've
not
got
a
land
supply
in
the
city
we
have,
but
it's
about
the
availability
of
that
land
for
affordable
housing
delivery
and
our
rp
partners
and
ourselves
as
council
provider.
B
Providers
for
direct
delivery
been
able
to
access
that
land
and
the
second
challenge
for
providers
is
really
around
making
sure
that
we
can
get
the
homes
to
be
as
affordable
as
possible.
And
the
issue
with
construction
prices
going
up
has
been
a
significant
impact
and
our
providers
and
ourselves
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
pass
on
that
to
or
to
our
residents
to
make
sure
that
homes
can
still
be
provided
at
social
rent
and
affordable,
rent
and
there's
not
a
rent
increase.
B
And
I
think
the
other
key
things
are
making
sure
that
we
we
use
our
funding,
unlocking
funding
successfully
in
the
city.
So,
as
councillor
hayden
said
around
the
brownfield
housing
fund,
how
we
use
our
commute
to
some
spot
to
really
kind
of
unlock
those
opportunities
and
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
different
delivery
models
and
moving
of
the
times
really
to
ensure
that
we
are
delivering
as
much
as
possible
as
you
can
in
the
city.
B
Just
looking
at
our
own
council
housing
growth
program.
There's
details
of
that
program
in
in
the
report,
but
just
to
highlight
really
that
there's
currently
268
homes
on
site
and
200
more
due
to
be
on
site
in
2022
and
there's
a
number
of
site
schemes
also
in
the
pipeline
and
the
whole
of
the
program's.
Looking
towards
delivering
1
500
homes
by
2025
and
we're
significant
way
to
achieving
that
just
wanted
to
highlight
as
well
within
within
the
report.
B
Some
of
the
key
schemes
that
coming
forward
for
our
rp
partners,
such
as
the
guinness
points
cross
scheme,
which
is
delivering
311,
affordable
homes
in
the
city
centre
and
we're
hoping
to
see
more
of
that,
come
through
the
pipeline
in
the
next
three
years
and
as
part
of
our
affordable
housing
challenge.
And
we
really
want
to
have
that
as
a
an
affordable
housing
delivery
plan
that
sets
out
that
pipeline
of
delivery
and
we're
happy
to
share
that
and
as
that
evolves
over
the
next
few
months
with
scrutiny
board.
B
B
Actually,
if
you,
if
we
split
that
out
in
2019
20
184
homes
were
provided
through
100,
affordable
housing
sites
and
then
2020
21
336
homes
were
provided
at
100,
affordable
housing
sites,
which
equates
to
520
homes
over
those
two
years,
and
we
anticipate
that
to
increase
more,
as
I
said
in
the
future
pipeline
as
we
move
forward.
N
I
think
martin
might
be
expecting
this
bottom
of
page
79,
where
it's
or
talks
about
the
table
being
created
for
the
city
center
and
then
in
table
will
be
on
on
on
80..
There
is
a
table
for
the
city
centre
and
with
regards
to
the
three-bedroom
properties
there
we
are
miserably
not
achieving
the
30,
with
only
the
three
percent,
and
your
colleague
relates
to
the
last
plans
panel
with
the
latitude
site
where
it
became
pretty
much
an
auction
with
regards
to
them
saying:
will
we
get
it?
N
If
we
go
to
ten
percent
and
some
members
saying
yes,
some
members
say
no,
some
members
saying
they
don't
care,
and
you
know
they
did
go
to
10.
Now
some
members
are
saying
that
set
the
precedence.
I
doubt
it
and
also
looking
at
the
three
bedrooms,
how
they
fit
in
to
the
development
and
into
the
city
centre,
because
I
want
to
push
for
family
properties.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
what
you
can
actually
get
with
three
bedrooms
and
we
never
get
any
four
bedrooms.
N
But
what
you
would
almost
certainly
get
with
four
bedrooms
is
that
they
will
be
bought
by
a
buy,
select
developer,
who
then
let
them
off
per
room
and
that's
worse
than
having
more
single
bedroom
properties,
which
are
just
after
single
people.
So
you
know
it
has
to
fit
within
the
development
and
it
has
to
fit
within
the
city
centre
and
be
right
not
just
fit
into
this
table.
N
N
And
I
have
to
say,
with
the
last
plans
panel
officers
weren't
helping
officers
clearly
wanted
that
to
go
through
as
it
was,
and
the
developer
wanted
to
go
through
as
it
was,
and
he
had
to
consult
with
his
colleague
whether
they
could
actually
build
it
and
deliver
it
and
in
the
end
they
did
to
get
an
application
approved.
But
you
do
wonder
whether
an
application
approved
actually
builds
that
site
out
as
we
would
like
it
to
be
built
out.
I
I
think
in
some
the
policy
was
developed
back
in
2012
and
it
was
adopted
in
in
2014,
and
that
policy
seeks
a
mix
across
leads,
not
necessarily
a
30
target
in
the
city
center
for
three
bed
houses,
a
30
target
across
the
the
district
with,
and
I
think
the
wording's
in
the
policy
that
there'll
be
some
circumstances,
such
as
in
the
city
centre,
where
you
wouldn't
be
expecting
to
achieve
that
target.
But
stepping
away
from
the
numbers.
I
I
think
the
achievement
of
family
accommodation
in
the
city
center
as
an
objective
is
is,
is
a
good
one
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
to
achieve
with
this,
whether
we're
trying
to
achieve
it
with
a
policy
that
isn't
quite
doing
what
we'd
like
it
to
do
or
say
what
we'd
like
it
to
say,
I
think,
is,
is
important
and
we're
coming
up
to
a
period
now,
where
we're
scoping
local
plan
update
2.
As
sarah
said,
where
I
actually
think
that
it
would
be
really
helpful.
I
If,
if
we
recommended
to
members
that
housing
mix
were
a
part
of
that
local
plan
update
because
a
lot's
changed
since
2014
the
nature
of
the
development.
In
the
city
centre's
changed,
as
I
say,
we've
got
a
very
active,
build
to
rent
sector
in
the
city
centre,
but
they're
only
building
for
a
particular
demographic
we've
got
co-living
schemes
that
are
emerging
within
the
city
center,
but
again
they're
only
building
for
a
particular
demographic
and
they're
not
going
to
look
at
delivering
family
housing.
I
So
I
think
it's
probably,
and
I
think
that's
why,
in
terms
of
trying
to
implement
the
policy,
you
can
only
go
as
far
as
what's
written
in
the
policy
you
can't
try
and
make
the
policy
do
something
it
doesn't
say,
which
I
think
is,
where
sort
of,
whilst
we've
tried
to
implement
this
differently
and
more
effectively,
we're
probably
getting
to
a
point
now
where
we
say
well,
actually,
I
think
the
policy
probably
needs
to
change
to
achieve
what
we
want
it
to
achieve,
and
I
think
second
thing
is
that,
whilst,
whilst
those
points,
hopefully
you
can
accept
in
the
meantime,
there's
been
an
awful
lot
of
place
making
going
on
in
the
city
centre
to
change
the
nature
of
the
city
centre
through
greater
green
through
the
city
spaces
strategy
through
investing
in
in
in
spaces
and
providing
schools
and
services
within
the
city
center
or
vicinity
to
be
able
to
attract
the
the
family
offer
that
I
think
members
are
constantly
asking
us
to
try
and
achieve
so.
I
I
hope
that
helps,
and
I
think
probably
now
it
would
be
really
helpful
if
we
we
could
move
on
to
what
does
the
policy
actually
need
to
say
if
that's
our
ultimate
objective
in
in
terms
of
diversifying
the
city
center
market.
C
Yes,
sorry
just
to
add
to
add
to
that
I
mean
I
think,
martin's
absolutely
right,
that
the
city
center
is
overtaking
the
the
policy
and
with
the
other
things
that
are
going
on.
So
if
you
go
down
to
the
situ
site,
that's
very
much
family
housing-
and
you
know,
and
they've
got
people
from
four
months
to
94
living
in
there
and
that's
what
they
want
to
achieve
the
bill
to
rent.
It's,
not
all
one
bedroom
for
a
certain
and
the
quarry
hill
site
or
soyuz
I'm
supposed
to
call
it.
C
There
are
three-bedroomed
apartments
and
they're
proper
sized
bedrooms.
I
was,
I
was
quite
surprised
you
could
live
as
a
family
in
in
in
one
of
those
apartments.
Quite
happily,
so
I
I
think
with
the
city
park
with
everything
greening
up
and
when
I've
walked
around
in
in
lockdown
down
by
the
canal.
There
are
already
families
living
in
these
apartments
and-
and
you
know,
sitting
on
the
green
green
spaces
outside
with
their
children.
C
N
I
think
I
I
wouldn't
disagree
with
with
counts
here
and
I
don't
ever
disagree
with
cancer
as
you
know,
but
I
won't
disagree
with
you
what
she
just
said.
I
just
think
that
at
plans
panels,
the
policy
needs
to
reflect
what
you
want
us
to
do,
because
we
are
off
that
last
panel
we
had
officers
saying
one
thing:
members
a
little
bit
split
and
a
developer.
Who
said
he
had
been
assured.
N
He
was
policy
compliant,
but
actually
clearly
wasn't
policy
compliant
because
he
was
way
away
from
being
policy
compliant
and
members
couldn't
understand
why
he
thought
he
was,
but
he
thought
he
was
because
he
thought
that
the
30
percent
didn't
apply
to
him
in
the
city
center,
which
clearly
doesn't
apply
to
him
in
the
city
center.
I
mean
you
wouldn't
have
had
this
issue.
If
you've
been
building
this
development
in
weatherby,
because
they'd
all
been
three
bedrooms,
it
would
have
been
the
other
way.
N
We
have
exactly
the
discussion,
that's
been
added
and
so
they've
gone
away
to
think
about
that,
but
when
they
come
back
with
an
application,
it's
a
case
of
whether
they've
thought,
whether
they've
been
guided
and
whether
members
think
they're
doing
their
thinking.
That's
that's
the
issue
that
you
have
to
decide
when
you,
when
you're,
trying
to
bring
a
compliance
scheme
that
is
a
right
scheme
to
fit
in.
N
I
mean
there
are
also
comments
about
that
scheme,
the
play
areas
and
things
weren't
big
enough
and,
of
course,
the
developer
highlighted
that
they
were
big
enough
for
what
he
proposed
as
family
housing.
And
so
it's
just
around
getting
a
clarity
which
you
weren't
really
asking
for
out
of
this
policy.
C
I
I
fully
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
actually
what
that
shows
is
really
positive
about
the
power
of
plans,
panels
and
the
power
of
members
and
their
opinions.
But
you
have
to
have
that
backing
of
the
the
correct
policy
and
yeah
we
we
need
to
address
that,
then
don't
we
sorry
matt.
I
Thanks
castle
hayden,
no,
that's
fine,
chair
and.
I
The
difficulty
we've
got
is
that
those
numbers
and
those
targets
aren't
in
that
uppercase
policy,
and
if
you,
if
you,
if
you're
wanting
to
secure
something
through
law,
that
that's
risk-free
taken
through
a
planning
appeal,
it
needs
to
be
in
the
uppercase
part
of
the
policy,
so
the
difficulty
we've
got
is
trying
to
almost
retrofit
the
justification
to
the
policy
which
is
in
the
supporting
text
into
the
uppercase
part
of
the
policy
and
put
more
weight
on
it.
I
If
you
like,
but
in
discussing
an
appropriate
mix,
members
at
panels
have
increasingly
been
talking
about
the
desire
to
get
more
and
more
three
bed
properties
into
the
city.
Center
schemes
and
and
developers
are,
as
as
the
stats
show,
starting
to
slowly
do
that
and
also
developers
in
terms
of
out
out
of
the
city
center.
One
of
the
big
concerns
was
about
the
lack
of
two
bed
properties
in
the
outer
areas,
and
we
can
see
from
these
stats
that
were
again.
I
That's
that's
starting
to
turn,
but
I
accept
that
the
policy
will
given
the
opportunity
to
review
it
need
to
be
a
lot
more
specific
about
what
what's
desired
and
where.
G
You
mentioned
sort
of
very
briefly
in
passing.
You
used
to
have
commuted
sums
as
as
one
of
the
funds
you
use.
Do
you
know
of
of
the
affordable
houses
that
were
built,
say
2021?
G
How
much
of
that
was
funded
out
of
commuted
sums,
and
so
it
would
be
useful
to
have
a
that
very
brief
explanation
of
how
how
commuted
sums
are
are
used.
I
I'll
tell
you
an
example.
I
in
my
ward,
we
have
a
local
developer
who's,
just
developed
six
or
he
is
in
the
process
of
developing
an
extremely
good,
build
to
to
scheme
through
family
homes,
flats
and
whatever,
on
the
ground
field
site.
G
Part
of
the
condition
was
that
he
provided
affordable
housing
on
site.
He
appealed
that
and
the
inspector
said
he
could
give
a
commuted
some
instead
and
I
off
offline
informally
had
a
bit
of
a
go
at
him
saying
you
know
we
need
affordable
homes
in
in
my
in
my
ward,
and
he
said
what
you're
worried
about.
G
You
said
I've,
given
the
council
two
million
pounds
whatever
it
was,
the
commuted
some
spend
that
in
in
your
warden,
you
know,
and
it's
just
getting
that
link
between
commuted
sums
and
the
ward
where
it
originates
and
how
we
then
make
sure
that
the
intention,
which
is
to
have
affordable
homes
provided
by
the
106
from
that
from
that
developer,
is
actually
achieved.
And
it's
not
just
sat
in
a
big
reserve
in
the
council
could
be
interesting
to
know
how
much
we
have
in
on
our
balance
sheet
as
commuted
as
committed
subs.
B
Yeah,
thanks
for
that-
and
I
think
commuted
sums
is
a
fund
that
we
can
use
quite
flexibly
in
the
council,
where
we've
got
homes,
england,
funding
or
our
right
to
buy
replacement
program.
We
can't
match
those
funds
together
because
they're
both
both
classed
as
kind
of
government
funding
and
where
we've
got
commuted
sums
we
can
actually
use
it
to
match
with
homes,
england,
funding
and
right
to
buy
receipts.
B
B
So
I
think,
there's
pros
and
cons
in
terms
of
ring
fencing
to
towards
or
putting
into
a
city
center
part,
and
we
can
provide
the
detail
of
what
we
currently
have
in
a
ward
level
and
what
we
currently
got
in
the
city
center
part
and
to
the
board
and
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
think
there's
about
five
million
that
we
have
as
a
city.
B
That's
actually
sitting
there
in
the
bank
and
we
have
got
a
pipeline
of
schemes
as
officers
really
with
in
consultation
with
with
councillor
hayden
as
the
executive
member
lead
that
we
are
looking
to
spend
funds
on
as
they
come
through,
and
five
million.
Obviously
is
not
a
lot
of
money
if
we're
going
to
buy
a
scheme
or
away
into
a
scheme.
B
But
it
is
helping
us
support
some
schemes
and
in
november
2018
there
was
an
exec
board
approval
to
support
the
delivery
of
two
sites
at
since
cecelia
street
and
railway
street,
which
were
council
owned
sites
for
the
ring,
fencing
of
100,
affordable
housing
on
those
sites
to
our
regis
provider.
Partners.
And
we
are
using
some
of
the
commuted
sums.
I
think
in
the
region
about
2
million
to
support
the
delivery
of
those
two
sites
which
one
of
the
sites
is
currently
in
planning,
which
is
railway
street.
B
The
other
one
is
soon
to
be
in
planning
and
between
them.
They
should
be
delivering
about
150,
affordable
homes,
there's
100
housing
sites
in
the
city
centre.
So
that's
an
example
of
where
we
can
use
it
strategically
as
a
part
of
funding,
support
delivery,
but
take
the
point
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
spread
that
and
make
sure
that
the
need
is
met
within
wards
as
well.
But
we
can
provide
that
information.
I
Sorry
councilman,
I
think
christopher
just
said
the
point
I
was
going
to
make
actually,
which
is
we
can
provide
the
information
that
that's
currently
being
gathered
by
jonathan
carr's
service,
to
look
at
that
link
between
planning
application
commuted,
some
section
106,
so
that
members
can
can
follow
the
money.
A
Now
I
think
you
make
a
good
point:
councillor
bentley.
I
think
it
will
be
useful
for
us
to
know
how
often
commuted
sums
are
used
instead
of
the
provision
of
the
affordable
housing
on
site-
and
I
think
you've
touched
on
upon
one
of
the
other
concerns,
christa,
where
that
commuted,
some
doesn't
actually
buy
the
number
of
properties
that
could
or
should
have
been
provided
on
that
site
and
then
there's
the
other
issue
of
trying
to
achieve
an
on-site
mix
of
tenure
which
has
always
been.
A
You
know,
one
of
the
approaches
that
we've
adopted
as
a
council.
I've
got
three
quick
observations
and
one
is
a
reiteration
of
a
point
that
I've
made
on
several
occasions:
page
82
the
table
at
the
top
that
final
line,
the
range,
so
we've
got
10
percent
target,
but
a
range
of
not
percent
to
50.
A
I
really
do
not
understand
the
value
of
that
figure
and
what
it
means
and
what
you
know
and
and
how
useful
it
is
and
why
we
even
have
it,
because
it
just
seems
to
say
well,
look:
here's
the
bar,
but
actually
we're
going
to
lower
it
almost
to
the
ground.
In
some
cases,
so,
what's
that?
What
is
it
all
about?
A
Second
question
is:
do
we
have
any
figures
for
the
number
of
properties
that
are
being
converted
from
offices
to
residential
through
permitted
development
and
my
third
question?
It
relates
to
the
top
of
page
84.
The
first
bullet
point:
the
end
of
the
homes,
england,
affordable
housing
program.
Is
that
being
replaced
by
another
rolling
program
or
not.
B
D
Thank
you,
chancellor,
just
I
think,
you've
all
sort
of
put
things
into
a
bit
clarified
our
perspective,
maybe
on
h4
it
sort
of
links
to
recommendation
knight
this
about
how
to
implement
policy
or
regarding
the
implementation
before
we've
drafted
redrafted.
I
have
it's
been
the
vein
of
my
lives.
We've
covered,
so
it's
a
as
we.
It
comes
across
today.
D
It's
a
very
hard
policy
to
to
put
into
words
and
guidance,
and
but
I
think,
as
time's
gone
by
clarification
is
becoming
more
evident
and
I
think
some
of
the
words
that
martin
uses
it's
hard.
It's
trying
to
fit
it
around
and
stuff
like
that,
but
the
updated
evidence
it's
not
quite
as
update
now
is
that
we
are
aiming
for
the
targets.
D
But
the
bottom
line
is
is
that
we
are
re.
We
are
really
pushing
it
with
all
our
colleagues
across
the
whole
range
of
dm
teams,
and
I
think
we
are
making
progress,
but
an
absence
of
a
no
doesn't
mean.
I
don't
think
we
are
making
progress
but,
as
you
say,
people
are
going
straight
to
the
targets
which
is
preferred
mix
across
the
districts,
but
the
ranges
I
don't
think
totally
makes
sense.
There's
no
mean
or
anything
like
that
you
can
go
from
nothing
to
so
we
are
going
to
be.
D
We
are
pushing
through
all
of
our
consultation
responses.
We
are
talking
about
the
monitoring
and
what
we're
presenting
to
you
and
our
statistics
are
showing
how
you
know
we
haven't,
got
the
right
mix
and
this
that
and
the
other
and
how
the
city
center
skews
it.
So
we
are
working
very
hard
in
to
get
that
and
we
are
pushing
the
targets
and
that
should
be
the
starting
point,
but
obviously
we
can't
rewrite
a
policy,
that's
there
and
live,
and
that's
where
the
hard
part
is.
D
But
I
think
you
can
see
like
it's
gone
the
plans
panel
when
we
talked
about
it,
it
says
10.
Well,
actually,
it's
30,
but
you
know
we're
going
slowly
steadily
in
the
right
direction,
but
we
understand
the
key
about
that
and
that
the
guidance
eventually
will
sort
of
say.
You
know
you
start
off
the
targets,
but
that
is
what
we're
saying
in
all
our
polish
responses.
I
Counselor,
just
in
terms
of
the
permitted
development
housing
that
comes
sort
of
outside
of
the
planning
system
we're
seeing
about,
on
average
12
schemes
a
year
delivering
around
sort
of
250
homes
into
the
city.
That's
based
on
monitoring.
I
I
haven't
monitored
the
last
two
years
yet,
but
I
can
certainly
bring
that
back
to
a
future
meeting.
If
you'd
like.
B
And
just
on
the
last
point,
then,
around
the
I
suppose,
the
oven
flow
of
the
affordable
homes
program
that
homes
england,
provides.
What
we
see
in
terms
of
trends
is
that
towards
the
back
end
of
affordable
homes,
program
and
there's
a
kind
of
real
influx
in
in
delivery,
and
that's
why
we
get
that
kind
of
high
peak
at
the
end
of
those
programs.
So
I
think
it
was
a
2016-2021
program
which
obviously
ended
last
year,
which
we've
seen
that
kind
of
significant
kind
of
peaking
kind
of
delivery.
B
Having
said
that
and
homes,
england
have
changed
the
way
that
they're
allocating
funding
through
their
programs.
Now
they've
now
got
longer
term
strategic
partnerships
with
partners
which
is
delivers
a
five-year
programme
of
investment
alongside
continuous
market
engagement.
So
in
the
future
we
shouldn't
see
that
kind
of
ever
flow
of
people
kind
of
being
able
to
get
bids
ready
to
go
into
programs
and
kind
of
work
through
kind
of
wait
for
programs
to
be
up
and
running
before
they
can
bid
into
them.
So
you
wouldn't
get
that
even
flowing
the
same
way
in
future.
A
A
A
You
know.
Oh
that's
right,
we'll
do
sorry
go
on
marty
in
in.
I
Short,
it
comes
down
to
our
policies,
need
to
be
flexible.
We,
we
can't
be
so
prescriptive
so
as
to
to
put
every
developer
in
every
situation
to
a
particular,
particularly.
A
I
suppose
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
protract
this
discussion,
but
you
know
if
it
was
plus
or
minus
10
percent
or
plus
or
minus
50
percent.
You
might
think
well.
We've
got
to
allow
a
degree
of
latitude
but
a
degree
of
latitude
between
naught
and
50
for
a
10
target.
You
know
just
just
looks
crazy,
but
anyway
points
made
move
on
right.
So
if
we
can
give
that
a
position
status
of
four
and
move
on,
hopefully
very
quickly,
given
the
time
to
recommendation
nine
on
page
86.,
I
think
to
some
extent
lots.
D
Sort
of
hope
that
I've
sort
of
tried
to
cover
that
they're
sort
of
very
linked
really,
as
I
said,
that
we
are
pushing
it
massively,
there's
an
agenda
we're
using
the
monitoring,
we're
pushing
them.
We're
saying
that
that's
the
policy,
but
obviously,
historically,
it's
been
sort
of
used.
Just
the
people
go
straight
to
the
to
the
policy.
So
that's
been
our
sort
of
key
agenda
through
the
last
two
years,
really
pushing
that
through
consultations,
obviously
keeping
working-
and
I
think
that
is
making
difference.
D
D
I
think
we
are
making
progress
on
those
discussions
we
have
with
our
colleagues
in
dm,
so
continual
work.
A
D
Yeah
so
recommendation
the
director
of
environment
housing,
the
chief
planning
officer
explore
a
more
coherent
and
detailed
approach
to
identifying
the
need
for
specialist
accommodation.
Now
this
can
be
met
and
report
back
to
the
development
security
board
and
the
outcome
it
felt
desired.
Outcome
is
developed
with
policy,
identity
and
meeting
specialists.
Obviously,
we've
got
a.
The
core
strategy
was
obviously
adopted
in
2014,
correct,
actually
thanks,
martin
and
then
obviously,
we've
had
the
crosstalk
search
review,
which
the
key
ones
are
h9,
which
is
obviously
space
standards
in
h10.
D
We
also
have
h8
in
the
party
which
is
for
older
persons.
I
think
that's
the
right
older
person.
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
correct
in
my
terminology,
so
so
those
are
being
used
and
that
comes
in
it's
an
over
50,
but
obviously
collectively.
There's
a
number
of
issues
about
housing
policies
that
obviously
maybe
we'll
take
forward
in
a
local
plan
update
in
terms
of
policy
h,
gen.
I
think
that's
key
that
that's.
These
are
now
embedded
at
these
space
standards.
So
we've
got
time.
D
We
we've
got
data
to
do
proper
assessment
analysis,
which
I
understand
will
be
coming
in
through
the
annual
monitoring
report
and
also
access
our
accessibility
officer,
who
is,
in
my
opinion,
fantastic
she's,
really
good,
she's,
she's
engaged
in
all
preps
and
applications
on
access,
but
that's
a
lot
of
work
for
one
person,
but
she
she
does
respond.
D
Obviously,
there's
always
caveats
on
uncertain
policies
for
viability,
but
we
will
be
able
to
provide
that
evidence
through
the
amr
and
obviously
we'll
take
a
view
in
local
plan
updates
of
whether
or
not
there's
more
discussion,
obviously
bungalow's
a
key.
I
think
I've
seen
a
scheme
recently
comes
through.
It's
got
bungalows
on
it
think
I've
been
excited
momentarily.
D
A
D
A
D
Fact
I've
probably
picked
it
up.
I
think
we've
we've
resourcing
we've
lost
staff,
but
now
we're
reallocating
all
the
work
so
yeah.
That's.
I
think
me
now.
A
L
And
it's
purely
down
to
the
availability
of
six
and
seven,
usually
because
and
particularly
in
february-
and
it's
a
short
month
of
her
three
scrutiny
board
meetings
this
week
and
plans
panel.
So
unfortunately
the
scheduling
just
meant
that
we
had
to
be
a
little
bit
of
flex
again
yeah
the
the
times
due
to
a
subsequent
meeting.
A
The
need
for
six
and
seven
when
the
chair
is
available,
but
the
chair
exercises
a
lot
of
latitude,
but
basically
no
not
me.
Go
fits
down
to
do.