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E
Thank
you
good
morning,
all
councillor,
jim
mckenna,
army,
ward,
glad
to
be
back
after
missing
the
last
one.
Thank
you.
A
N
N
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
just
to
update
I've
also
received
notes.
So
councillor
firth
is
intending
to
be
here
but
could
be
late.
Well,
it's
clearly
late
as
well.
Okay.
So
if
we
move
on
to
agenda
item
six
I'll
first
take
any
matters
of
accuracy
in
the
minutes
it
can
members
indicate
if
they've
got
any
issues,
no
okay
and
then
over
to
rob
for
matters
arriving.
M
Thank
you
chair
just
very
briefly
minute.
Eight
from
the
meeting
on
the
20th
of
september,
we
had
colleagues
from
hr
presenting
on
b-a-m-e
staff
network
issues
and
just
to
update
the
board
that
will
be
coming
back
to
to
january
following
a
discussion
with
the
various
staff
networks,
minute
nine
electoral
services.
Sorry.
A
Can
I
just
comment
on
that:
we've
invited
a
number
of
the
networks
to
come
and
speak
to
us
as
a
scrutiny
board
and
because
you
want
to
be
inclusive
on
that,
and
so
we
could
have
a
number
and
we'd
very
much
welcome
them
to
come
and
tell
us
what
they're
doing
and
how
they're
helping
us
be
more
inclusive
across
the
council
across
the
board.
So
I
think
that's
really
positive
step.
So
thank
you.
M
Yes,
thank
you
chair
indeed,
and
there'll
be
a
number
of
those
networks
coming
over
for
the
remainder
of
the
municipal
year
minute
nine,
which
was
electoral
services,
who
attended
meeting
last
time.
I
have
circulated
to
board
members
additional
information
linked
to
mainly
to
the
election
that
took
place
in
may
2021.
M
If
any
members
have
any
comments
or
concerns
that,
then
please
do
come
back
to
me
at
minute.
10,
the
this
was
on
the
service
desk
from
colleagues
in
ids,
and
that
will
be
coming
back
in
february
just
for
members
information,
because
that
was
quite
significant
coming
in
debate
and
I
think
members
did
want
it
to
come
back,
so
that's
planned
in
and
then
lastly
minute
11,
the
staff
well-being
service
will
also
be
presented
to
the
november
meeting
as
part
of
a
wider
report
on
the
future
working
arrangements
of
the
council.
A
Thanks
rob:
are
there
any
other
matters
or
writing
that
members
want
to
erase
no
okay?
So
we'll
move
on
to
item
seven,
which
is
the
value
of
culture
and
creativity
in
in
the
city?
I
decided
so
I'm
really
excited
about
this
item,
but
we're
doing
our
first
video
in
a
presentation
at
this
board,
which
I
feel
is
appropriate
given
this
is
a
this
is
given
the
topic,
and
I'd
also
like
to
welcome
the
leads
2023
team
welcome
to
the
board,
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
as
well.
A
Just
for
so
you
know
you
can
assume,
we've
read
the
papers
which,
which
we
have
and
feel
free
to
highlight
the
key
points
that
you
want
to
make
to
us.
Thank
you.
J
As
the
report
includes
a
great
deal
of
detail,
I
have
prepared
a
few
short
slides
to
summarize
the
key
content
and
I
couldn't
resist,
including
an
image
from
thursday
and
friday
last
week
in
the
city.
You'll
then
hear
from
cully
about
leeds
2023
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
then
taking
your
questions.
J
The
long-held
recognition
of
cultural
value
is
the
reason
why
leeds
city
council
has
preserved
a
really
strong
culture,
service
and
investors
to
support
a
vibrant,
creative
sector
for
the
benefit
of
the
city.
The
report
sets
out
the
policy
context
within
which
our
culture
service
delivers,
provides
an
overview
of
the
service
before
setting
out
the
economic
benefits
of
culture,
including
the
potential
role
culture
can
play
in
supporting
the
recovery
of
our
city
and
local
centres.
It
then
moves
on
to
set
out
the
background
on
leads
2023
our
year
of
culture
and
summarises
the
covenants
arrangements.
J
Fantastic,
so,
by
way
of
context,
our
culture
strategy
was
adopted
by
the
council
in
july
2017
having
been
co-produced
with
the
people
of
leeds,
my
predecessor,
cleaning
mcpherson,
discussed
with
scrutiny,
the
delivery
framework
for
the
strategy,
which
remains
a
keen
focus
of
our
work.
However,
given
the
impacts
of
kovind
19
board,
members
will
note
that
we're
currently
consulting
on
the
priority
areas
to
ensure
they're
focused
on
the
right
things.
J
Given
the
period
we've
just
lived
through
as
a
city,
our
economic
recovery
framework
was
published
in
october
2020
and
it
outlines
an
approach
to
recovery
from
the
kovig
19
pandemic.
That's
centered
around
the
need
to
respond
reset
and
renew
and
build
resilience,
and
all
of
that
within
the
ambition
to
create
a
strong
economy
with
a
compassionate
city.
So
the
recovery
framework
particularly
makes
clear
the
importance
that
arts
and
culture
has
a
huge
role
to
play.
J
Well,
should
we
move
on
robert?
Thank
you
thank
you.
So
the
slides,
not
you,
can't
see
every
word
on
the
slide,
but
don't
worry
too
much.
What,
essentially
I
just
wanted
to
summarize
is
the
council
culture
service
and,
of
course,
the
details
are
set
out
in
the
report.
The
three
services
that
sit
under
the
culture
portfolio
include
arts
events
and
venues
lead
to
museums
and
galleries
and
culture
programmes,
but
other
council
networks
and
services
are
also
really
important
for
culture,
including
the
leeds
library
service
and
lead
music
service.
J
It's
our
arts
event,
arts
events
and
venues
team
that
delivered
light
night
at
the
back
end
of
last
week,
along
with
major
events
through
the
year
like
leeds
triathlon
and
other
smaller
events,
like
the
events
that
the
breeze
team
put
on
across
leeds
parks
in
the
summer.
Our
leads
culture
programmes
include
the
responsibility
for
the
delivery
of
the
culture
strategy
and
for
maintaining
the
relationship
with
these
2023
and
the
leeds
museums
and
galleries.
J
Team
have
just
finalized
their
report
for
their
performance
in
the
last
financial
year
and
chair
I'll,
send
that
to
you
and
to
rob
after
afterwards
for
circulation,
and
it
has
been
highlighted
in
a
recent
communication
to
members,
but
to
make
sure
this
scrutiny
board
has
particularly
seen
it.
Thank
you,
robert.
J
So
in
the
report
and
we'll
you'll
also
see
there's
a
lot
of
detail
about
the
benefits
of
culture.
The
benefits
of
culture,
yes,
are
measured
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
the
economy,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
people
and
place
and
helpful
context
for
us
is
the
dcms
work,
the
department
for
cultural
media
sport
work
that
was
done
in
2015.
J
That
included
some
really
important
findings
about
the
impact
of
culture
on
people's
health.
So,
for
example,
people
that
engaged
in
culture
are
more
likely
to
report
good
health
and
cost
savings
for
the
nhs
of
between
one
pound,
89
and
five
pounds.
Seven
pence
very
specific
per
year,
but
equally
and
perhaps
importantly
in
the
context
of
postcode
19,
good
health
associated
with
cultural
reduces
the
use
of
mental
health
services
and
with
cost
savings
associated
with
that.
J
Can
you
move
on?
Thank
you.
Some
more
recent
work
as
well
published
at
the
end
of
2020
by
the
uk
cultural
cities.
Inquiries
set
out
the
importance
of
culture
to
stimulate
the
reanimation
of
places
and
boost
the
recovery
of
retail
tourism.
Hospitality
in
a
post,
covid
context,
and
this
type
of
research
is
what
is
driving
many
cities
right
across
the
uk
to
see
years
of
culture
as
a
way
to
aid
recovery
from
the
kovy
19
pandemic.
There
were
more
cities
than
ever
before
that
bid
for
the
uk
city
of
culture
for
2025.
J
It
was
fantastic
to
see
our
sister
city
bradford
being
shortlisted
for
that
couldn't
move
on
thanks.
I
know
that
members
are
particularly
interested
in
on
how
we
can
revive
our
high
streets
in
our
city
centre,
post,
kovid
19,
and
you
may
be
aware
that
we
did
some
research
earlier
this
year.
J
But
this
is
right
across
our
city
as
well,
not
just
in
city
centre.
The
mali,
the
morley
town
deal
includes
a
strong
cultural
aspect
to
it,
as
do
other
projects
right
across
the
city.
J
J
So
so
members
may
recall
this
in
better
detail
than
myself,
but
back
in
2015
there
was
an
extensive
citywide
consultation
which
led
to
an
agreement
that
we
as
a
council
would
bid
to
become
a
european
capital
of
culture
and
the
process.
Then
in
2016
was
announced
in
20
in
october,
2017
the
executive
board
of
adopted
leeds
2023
bid,
but
sadly,
at
the
end
of
2017,
the
european
commission
cancelled
the
competition
for
uk
bidding
cities
as
a
result
of
our
decision
to
leave
the
european
union
and
the
ongoing
brexit
negotiations.
J
But
but
leeds
was
not
always
down,
but
not
out,
and
some
of
you
may
have
been
at
the
legendary
meeting
that
happened
at
leeds
town
hall,
where
over
700
people
attended
and
and
and
expressed
their
intention
and
desire
for
the
city
to
host
its
own
year
of
culture
by
2023,
which
led
to
the
decision
in
june
2018
to
create
the
leeds
culture
trust
which
was
then
first
registered
in
march
2017.,
an
independent
chair
was
was
appointed
in
2018
and
the
the
trust
was
incorporated
as
charity.
J
It's
2019
and
I'm
delighted
that
we
now
obviously
have
cully
sitting
to
my
right,
who
is
both
creative
director
and
chief
exec
of
the
culture
trust.
So
before
I
passed
a
colleague
I
just
want
to
touch
very
briefly
also
on
our
financial
and
governance
commitment
to
needs
2023.
By
way
of
context,
have
we
popped
onto
that
one
yep
great.
J
So,
at
the
time
that
the
culture
trust
was
created,
we
entered
into
a
grant
agreement
with
the
trust
and
in
that
original
grant
agreement,
our
contribution
was
in
the
region
of
12
million
pounds,
three
quarterly
installments.
J
In
october
of
last
year,
we
as
part
of
our
financial
savings,
a
proposal
to
reduce
the
remaining
grant
by
15,
was
proposed.
This
was
consulted
on
and
was
agreed
and
at
the
same
time,
we
managed
to
secure
some
gain
share
allocation
from
west
yorkshire,
which
reduced
our
kind
financial
commitment
in
this
financial
year.
Further,
our
contribution
to
2023
remains
significant
in
the
region
of
8.8
million
pounds,
and
it
will
continue
to
be
properly
scrutinized
through
the
revised
grant
agreement.
J
Our
8.8
million
goes
towards
the
budget
target
of
32
million,
which
the
culture
trust
is
seeking
to
raise.
This
is
commensurate
with
the
actual
spend
in
whole
and
for
their
year
of
culture
and
the
budget
for
commentary
city
of
culture,
although
I
should
remind
everybody
that
leeds
population
is
much
smaller
than
both
whole
and
coventry
and
the
culture
trust
aims
to
invest
around
50
in
programme
and
delivery.
J
So
so
so
that
is
by
way
of
context,
everything
from
me
and
then
I
think
it's
much
better
for
you
to
hear
directly
from
collie
and
the
team
about
the
progress
that
these
2023
are
making.
I
Thanks
very
much
eve
and
we've
also
got
some
slides
rob.
So
if
you
could
kick
off
with
that
and
then
I
can
meanwhile
introduce
myself
a
little
bit
thanks,
chair
and
panel
for
inviting
us
to
this
opportunity.
It's
great
to
be
here
and
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
where
we're
at.
I
As
I
said
earlier,
I'm
I'm
kali
fieri
and
I
am
creative
director
and
ceo
of
leeds
2023
and
and
I
I
suppose
I
wanted
to
kick
off
to
say
that
in
some
ways,
many
of
the
values
embedded
in
what
we're
about
to
show
you
come
partly
from
a
very
personal
place,
because
I'm
someone
who
had
little
or
no
access
to
the
arts
myself
and
the
opportunity
to
run
a
festival
of
culture
for
the
very
city
that
gave
me
my
first
opportunity
and
opened
the
doors
for
me
as
a
professional
in
the
sector
was,
is
a
real
privilege
and
I've,
I'm
very
honored,
and
also
very
committed
to
bringing
the
best
that
we
can
to
support
others
in
the
city
to
really
enjoy
and
engage
and
participate
with
culture.
I
So
let
me
kick
off
with
sharing
our
launch
film
that
we
made
earlier
in
the
year
to
to
kick
start
as
part
of
our
brand
and
telling
people
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
I
hope
it
captures
some
of
our
approach
to
delivering
an
extraordinary
year
of
culture
and
we're
delighted.
It's
the
first
film
to
come
to
scrutiny.
So
let's
hope
it
works.
M
For
one
whole
year,
all
365
days,
12
months
and
500,
000
minutes
of
it,
this
city
is
letting
culture
loose,
we're
gonna
make
create,
perform,
run,
bake,
share,
sing,
speak
play
and
more
besides,
because
culture
is
everywhere
in
this
city,
there's
poetry
here
and
our
football
team
can
be
pretty
poetic
at
times
too,
this
is
theater,
and
so
is
this
and
this
she's
a
performer
and
him
and
him
and
her-
and
he
put
in
some
serious
performances-
and
this
is
art-
and
so
is
this
and
look
at
that.
That's
definitely
art
too
right.
I
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
hope
that
sort
of
both
captures
the
the
extraordinary
range
and
diversity
of
the
city,
but
also
tells
you
something
about
the
opportunity
that
was
afforded
to
us
to
really
think
about
culture
and,
whilst
being
no
longer
part
of
the
european
capital
of
culture,
was
heartbreaking
for
many,
given
the
investment
and
the
energy
that
had
been
put
into
that
bid.
I
There
is
something
that
has
enabled
us
to
really
think
about
culture
in
its
broadest
remit,
so
we
are
talking
about
sport
and
food
and
the
art
in
in
in.
In
that
way,
when
we
talk
about
letting
culture
loot,
we
know
we
all
have
the
capacity
to
dream
and
imagine
and
a
capacity
to
be
really
creative
and
playful
and
and
sometimes
the
difficulties
of
our
daily
lives
can
make
those
things
really
hard.
I
So
our
vision
is
really
to
think
about
a
thriving
city
and
region
where
creativity
fuels
opportunity
for
everyone,
and
given
that
the
18
months,
two
years
we've
been
through,
I
suppose
our
mission
feels
even
more
important
than
ever
that
that
we
deliver
a
landmark
year
of
culture
that
really
connects
and
benefits.
People
now
and
in
the
future
and
throughout
our
approach,
is
our
commitment
to
diversity,
inclusivity
and
sustainability.
I
Next,
one
rob
please
what
we,
what
what
the
framework
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
work
across
three
specific
functions:
producing
original
work,
12,
major
events
across
the
year
embracing
the
city
center
and
all
33
wards
with
a
comprehensive
programme
and
a
really
strong,
creative
educational
skills,
voluntary
volunteering
opportunities,
so
that
people
can
engage
in
all
sorts
of
different
ways
and,
as
I
said,
we
want
to
really
think
about
sport,
food
and
everyday
creativity
as
being
the
breadth
of
all
that
is
cultural
in
our
city,
partnering
across
the
city,
the
region
and
the
nation
as
well
as
internationally
feels
really
important
to
us.
I
The
the
thing
to
remember
about
leeds,
unlike
coventry
and
whole,
is
that
we've
got
a
really
strong
and
powerful
cultural
sector
and
infrastructure,
and
that
is
part
of
our
job
is
to
amplify
that
and
maximize
those
opportunities
and
really
showcase
the
city's
talent
and
capabilities
across
the
world.
I
And
and
finally,
we
know
that
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
raise
the
profile
of
the
city
and
region
and
its
cultural
offer
regionally
nationally,
and
that's
about
promoting
the
city
and
and
really
talking
about
culture
in
in
the
ways
that
we
know
are
both
complex
and
thrilling
and
enable
people
to
participate.
I
You
know,
and
ultimately
we
want
every
one
of
our
citizens
to
really
have
an
extraordinary
and
memorable
year,
something
that
will
stay
with
them
forever,
because
it's
a
moment
in
time
that
we
want
to
really
think
about
as
being
a
catalyst
for
for
the
city
in
its
confidence
and
its
ambitions
and
its
aspirations.
I
Next
slide,
please
rob,
I
know.
Eve's
already
talked
to
you
around
some
of
the
economic
and
social
and
cultural
impacts,
but
just
to
reiterate,
of
course,
we've
only
been
an
entity
I
started
in
january
2020,
it
has
been
quite
I
mean
I
always
knew
it
was
going
to
be
an
extraordinary
year.
I
You
know
job
and
a
scale
of
job,
but
actually
the
challenge
has
been
huge.
You
know
we
don't
need
to
say
too
much,
but
trying
to
create
an
organization
to
deliver.
Undercover
conditions
has
been
hugely
challenging,
but
I'm
thrilled
to
say
that
you
know
we've
got
a
growing
team
and
we
we're
delivering
quite
a
a
wide
range
of
things,
but
we
know
that
our
primary
focus
and
our
our
sort
of
objective
is
to
help
boost
skills
and
job
opportunities
and
retain
talent.
I
We
know
we
want
to
enhance
cultural
education
in
schools.
This
city
is
renowned
for
its
creative
education
programs.
We,
we
know
that
you
know
inspiring
children
and
young
people.
Who've
had
such
a
tough
time,
because
really
powerful
and
culture,
complaints,
part
and
creativity
is
really
important
for
improving
well-being
and
social
cohesion.
I
Of
course
there
is
there.
Is
you
know.
The
previous
experience
knows
that
that
the
impact
of
the
investment
we
make
helps
attract
additional
visitors
and
and
additional
investment
into
the
city,
and
it
feels
really
really
important
to
increase
participation
and
particularly
for
people
who
feel
that
the
arts
might
not
be
for
them
and
face
barriers
in
all
sorts
of
ways.
Part
of
what
we're
talking
about
in
our
program
is
also
about
increasing
the
knowledge
and
history
and
heritage
of
the
of
this.
I
Of
this
extraordinary
place
and
its
people-
and
we
want
to
really
think
about
how
we
can
be
the
kind
of
convener
of
making
connections
and
and
ensuring
that
there's,
a
greater
collaborative
and
inclusive
sector
in
the
city,
beyond
2023
and
again
as
part
of
really
celebrating
and
be
making
it
confident
leads.
Our
job
is
also
to
improve
the
national
international
profile
of
leeds
as
a
city
that
is,
it
has
extraordinary
cultural
assets
and
a
hugely
committed
and
diverse
communities.
I
Next
slide,
please
rob
so
what
have
we
been
up
to
so
far
it?
I
As
I
said,
we've
been
setting
of
the
organization
you
may
have
seen
across
earlier
in
the
year
in
june
that
we
launched
our
letting
culture
loose
campaign,
which
basically
is
partly
to
enhance
the
sense
that
there
is
culture
happening
everywhere
in
all
our
nooks
and
crannies
across
the
whole
of
our
city
and
and
that
we
might
sometimes
not
think
some
things
are
cultural,
but
they
are
all
really
really
important
to
tell
the
story
of
who
we
are
in
leeds,
we've
secured
to
date
one
and
a
half
million
pounds
of
additional
investment.
I
We
know
we've
got
a
significant
more
to
raise,
but
all
the
signs
are
strong
and
there's
great
partnership
working
happening
around
bringing
greater
investment
into
the
city.
So
far,
we've
commissioned
65
artists.
We've
made
working
communities
as
part
of
their
launch
event.
I
We've
secured
some
celebrity
preparants
and
we're
working
with
the
leeds
cultural
education
partnership
to
really
engage
the
cultural
offer
in
schools,
because
we
want
to
work
across
all
schools
and
across
all
wards
recently,
you
know
abigail
and
the
team
have
done
an
extraordinary
job
on
advocacy
for
the
city
and
culture
to
even
last
week
we
were
asked
to
chair
a
at
the
tory
party
conference
at
fringe
event
with
the
new
newly
elected
arts,
minsters
who's
delighted,
and
would
very
much
like
to
welcome
him
to
the
city
to
tell
him
showcase
what
we've
been
up
to
and
we've
you
may
have
seen
in
the
yorkshire
evening
post
some
of
the
business
club.
I
Memberships
have
been
launched
and
the
commitment
that's
coming
through
business
and,
of
course
nothing
is.
Nothing
can
happen
until
we've
developed
and
worked
up
and
scoped
out
the
program
of
actual
activity.
So
we're
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
happening
on
that
front
now.
Thank
you.
I
I
wanted
to
tell
you
about
a
specific
project
which
is
funded
by
the
arts.
Council
called
my
world,
my
city,
my
neighborhood
and
we've.
That
was
an
open
call
for
artists
to
work
in
20,
23,
artists,
working
23
wards
and
again,
that's
that's,
really
the
sort
of
seeding
of
the
opportunity
of
sort
of
creating
a
model.
I
That's
called
my
my
lead
2023
with
this
idea
that
we
want
everybody
to
really
think
about
how
we
might
how
every
person,
every
household,
every
street,
every
neighborhood
could
create
their
own
festival
with
a
toolkit
that
we
can
help
them
develop
to
show
off
their
creativity.
I
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
one.
Thank
you.
We,
of
course,
our
city
that,
where
the
world
is
in
our
city
and
we
are
in
the
world
and
and
part
of
our
cultural
ambition,
is
to
make
sure
that
there
is
international
reach,
both
in
terms
of
partnering,
our
artists
with
international
artists
and
showcasing
and
thinking
about
future
exports
of
talent
in
terms
and
projects,
but
also
thinking
about
how
we
bring
the
most
extraordinary
international
artists
and
creatives
to
the
city.
I
Obviously,
leeds
has
already
got
a
really
strong
partnership
in
lots
and
lots
of
european
cities
and
has
its
diaspora
links.
So
we've
managed
to
again
secure
some
money
from
the
british
council
to
to
create
some
collaborative
commissions
between
artists
and
leads
and
international
artists,
we're
working
with
the
city
council
and
its
relationships
to
lille
and
looking
at
lille,
who
was
a
european
city,
culture
on
learning,
an
exchange
program
and
just
submitting
an
application
to
the
netherlands
embassy
around
partnering.
I
Up
with
dutch
artists,
and,
of
course
india
is
a
significant
anniversary
coming
up
in
22,
but
also
the
council
is
making
huge
connections
with
india,
strengthening
those
and
we're
working
to
look
at
some
creative
programmes.
Linked
to
that,
we've
been
extraordinarily
fortunate
to
have
some
international
internationally
renowned,
uk
artist
artistic
associates
to
help
us
build
that
program
with
us.
So
you
may
not
know
them,
but
there's
six
of
them
from
all
over
all
over
the
place,
both
uk
new
york,
france
and
beyond.
I
So
we
thought
we'd
we'd,
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
insight
of
some
work
that
we've
just
very
very
recently
done
around
audience
mapping
and
just
trying
to
understand
what
the
public
are
telling
us
and
there's
just
some
headline
figures
here:
that
there
is
a
huge
demand
for
leeds
2023,
but
also
a
huge
appetite
for
culture
and
and
of
course,
those
of
you
who
are
over
at
leeds
at
light
night
will
know
that
the
kind
of
energy
and
buzz
that
was
in
the
city
on
on
thursday
and
friday.
I
So
we've
we've
discovered
that
there's
70
percent
agree
that
culture
and
creative
activity
is
good
for
the
local
economy.
79
of
supportive
leads
having
a
year-long
celebration
of
culture
and
65,
say
they're
likely
to
take
part
as
an
audience
member
which
are
really
strong
numbers
for
us,
and
there
is
also
great
opportunity
to
really
enhance
the
the
importance
to
learn
about
our
city's
history
and
heritage.
I
We
really
want
to
showcase
all
of
that
in
its
myriad
forms,
so
we
want
to
be
more
relevant
and
we
want
to
look
at
ways
in
which
we
can
really
increase
those
numbers
when,
when,
when
only
42
percent,
think
that
you
know
cultural
activities
after
people
like
me,
then
actually
we've
got
a
job
to
do
so.
Part
of
that
is
about
really
pushing
that,
to
you
know
as
significant
outcomes
and
engaging
people
in
different
ways
to
perhaps
the
way
they
feel
they've
been
engaged
so
far.
Thank
you.
I
So
I
guess,
as
my
final
slide,
I
really
just
wanted
to
reiterate
how
this
is
only
possible
if
we
all
work
together
and
if
you
know
we
know
that
the
you
know
we
want
to
deliver
an
extraordinary
transformational
year.
I
We
know
that
culture
and
investment
in
culture
can
have
huge
economic
and
social
impact,
and
we
need
the
whole
of
the
city
to
get
behind
us
to
help
us
make
this
possible,
because
only
through
public
through
working
together
can
we
make
the
most
of
the
opportunity
that's
afforded
by
us
by
this
moment,
and-
and
I
guess
there
is-
you
know-
there's
a
great
story
to
tell
about
place
making
here
and
and
the
power
of
good
storytelling
around
shaping
the
future
narrative
of
leeds,
and
we
really
want
to
help
make
that
possible
and
work
with
all
of
you
to
showcase
the
city
and
it's
all
its
glory
and
and,
as
I
said,
we
know
that
culture
can
generate
significant.
I
You
know
value
added
for
a
city
and
encourage
investment,
so
any
help
any
of
you
can
offer
and
your
colleagues
can
offer
alongside
us
working
closely
with
the
city
council
anyway.
We'd
be
delighted
to
to
take
you
up
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
talk
briefly
about
some
of
the
impact
that
that
a
year
like
this
can
have,
I
think,
colleen's
done
a
fantastic
job
at
showing
how
exciting
it
is.
But
I
I
think,
when
you
kind
of
read
about
a
lot
of
these
other
years
of
cultures
and
some
of
the
statistics,
it
is
really
exciting
about
what
it
can
do
for
people's
health
and
well-being
for
mental
health
for
young
people.
Also,
the
the
economy
liverpool
held
a
a
10-year
celebration
recently
of
their.
K
They
were
the
european
capital
of
culture
a
while
ago
and
they
had
their
10-year
celebration
in
2017,
and
this
generated
108
million
pounds
for
the
local
economy
and
we
through
some
analysis
of
lease
2023
we're
looking
at
similar
figures
for
here.
So
it's
a
huge
return
on
the
investment.
K
I
think
we
estimated
an
eight
to
one
return
on
investment
with
the
potential
to
create
over
a
thousand
jobs
in
the
city,
but
I
think
it
would
be
remiss
of
me
given
my
portfolio
to
not
talk
about
some
of
the
impact
on
young
people
as
well.
K
The
cultural
learning
alliance
has
done
a
study
on
what
impact
kind
of
that
that
role
in
culture
in
the
early
years
can
have
on
young
people,
and
they
did
their
studies
come
up
with
that.
Students
are
from
a
low
income
who
involve
themselves
who
get
involved
in
culture
are
three
times
more
likely
to
get
a
degree.
They're
20
more
likely
to
vote,
and
young
offenders
are
18
less
likely
to
reoffend.
K
So
I'm
really
excited
about
the
the
huge
opportunities
that
this
can
have.
I
mean
cooley's
presentation
said
that
65
of
people
in
leeds
say
already
say
they're
likely
to
take
part
in
one
of
these
events,
and
I
hope
that
kind
of
as
more
information
comes
out
about
2023
and
even
as
the
year
progresses,
that
number
will
only
go
up
and
I
would
love
to
see
everyone
in
the
city
taking
part
in
something
at
some
stage,
but
I'll
leave
it
there.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
prayer,
yeah,
there's
some
really,
statistics
that
stood
out,
for
example,
they're
79,
supportive,
which
is
it's
pretty
pretty
high
I'd,
say,
and
I
take
your
point
about
the
health
and
well-being,
particularly
as
we
come
out
of
a
pandemic
where
that's
probably
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
for
people
in
the
city.
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
questions.
If
that's
okay,
I'll
bring
members
in
first,
I'm
so
first
bring
in
councillor
mckenna.
Who's
indicated.
E
Oh
thank
you
for
chair.
It's
very
impressive.
What
you
have
shown
us,
there's
no
question
of
it.
Unlike
you,
I'm
quite
upset
that
we
did
lose
capital
of
culture.
I
was
very
much
involved
in
around
that
time
and
clearly
it
was
another
price
of
brexit
which
I
never
supported,
absolutely
never
supported,
and
I
think
the
chickens
are
coming
on
to
roost
on
that
one
in
many
many
areas,
but
I
won't
get
any
more
political
than
that
when
I
was
on
the
primary
care
trust
about
2004.
E
We
did
some
statistical
work
not
too
far
away.
Sorry
regarding
health
in
our
area,
particularly
in
new
worldly
and
one
of
the
statistics
we
came
up
with,
was
that
the
boy
born
a
new
worldly
today
whenever
today
is
his
lifespan,
would
be
12
years
less
than
the
same
boy
born
in
putsy.
E
I
think
there's
been
a
good
case
men
made
regarding
the
effects
of
good
health
from
participating
in
culture
in
all
its
forms,
but
I
have
to
say
in
the
inner
city
areas.
I
don't
see
much
of
that
happening.
It's
vital.
Therefore,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
that
we
reach
to
all
communities
and
we're
inclusive,
I
mean,
for
instance,
we
don't
have
to
make
a
case
for
anybody's
saturday
on
this
table
to
engage
in
culture.
We
all
do
we
go
to
shows
in
london's.
E
We
go
to
ballet,
we
go
to
operas.
We
go
to
music
events,
we
visit
museums.
We
do
all
those
things
naturally,
but
if
you're
living
on
areas
of
my
award
like
new
worldly
and
you
just
had
your
universe,
universal
credit
reduced
by
20
pounds
per
week,
culture,
I'm
afraid,
is
not
going
to
be
very
much
part
of
your
plans
for
getting
through
the
next
week.
You'll
be
thinking
more
of
how
you
pay
your
heating.
E
Now
that
that's
shot
through
the
roof
and
how
you
feed
your
children,
so
I'd
I'd
need
a
lot
more
convincing
that
the
12
major
events
you
talked
about
they're,
not
all
city
center-based.
E
You
talk
about
events
in
the
33
wards,
so
I'd
certainly
like
to
know
how
you're
going
to
engage
in
my
ward
and
I'm
sure
people
who
represent
in
their
city
areas
would
put
the
same
challenge
to
you.
We
have
done
our
best
in
new
worldly
local
world
councillors.
We
have
helped
out
with
sport.
Sport
is
well
not
mentioned,
but
obviously
it's
a
very
important
thing
for
towards
good
health
for
young
people.
E
We
have
put
shows
on
the
new
worldly
community
center.
We
have
supported
events
in
the
park,
we
army
park
and
other
things,
but
there's
only
so
much
we
can
do
on
the
small
limited
funds
we've
got,
so
it's
essential.
It's
essential
that
the
whole
city
benefit
from
this,
not
just
I'm
afraid.
Culture
is
often
the
domain
of
middle
classes,
I'm
interested
in
people
who
are
struggling
week
by
week
week
by
week,
year
by
year.
E
So
I
would
like
some
sort
of
assurance
more
that's
in
the
report
by
the
way
that
these
matters
are
being
considered,
they
will
happen
and
people
in
the
inner
city
areas
will
be
invited.
For
instance,
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
all
the
major
events
take
place
in
leeds
city
center.
That
would
be
totally
wrong.
Thank
you,
chair.
K
Thank
you,
council
mckenna.
I
agree
with
most
of
what
you
said.
I
I
I
absolutely
almost
I
I
do
disagree
that
culture
is
the
preserve
of
the
middle
classes.
I
do
think
culture
is
absolutely
for
everyone
in
all
parts
of
society,
and
that
is
absolutely
at
the
core
of
of
what
leads
2023
is
about.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance
to
go
and
see
light
night.
K
You
know
that
was
a
great
example
of
exactly,
and
it
was
a
great
example
of
of
that
free
event
that
was
just
open
to
to
everyone
from
wherever
they
are
when
you
talked
about
some
of
the
health
impacts
that
the
same
report
I
referenced
earlier
from
the
the
cultural
learning
alliance
said
that
the
people
who
engage
in
cultural
activities
are
38
more
likely
to
report
good
health,
and
you
know
that
that
has
to
have
a
huge
impact
on
kind
of
the
strain
on
the
on
the
nhs
and
so
you're
absolutely
right
to
highlight
that.
K
But
I
do
just
wanted
to
reassure
you
that
you
know
these
aren't
just
going
to
be
some
kind
of
exclusive
events
they
really
getting
through
to
all
communities.
Sits
right
at
the
heart
of
it
think
collie's
got
some
things
to
add.
I
Just
just
a
couple
of
things
again,
I
completely
understand
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
when
locked
prior
to
lockdown,
one
of
the
first
things
we
did
was
actually
go
back
to
a
primary
school
in
lowell
workley
actually
and
met
with
their
about
six
of
their
little
youth
council
and
the
youngest
was
about
six
and
the
oldest
was
nine
and
we
ended
up
spending
a
bit
of
time
talking
to
them.
I
It
stayed
with
me
completely
because
it's
so
poignant
and
also
I
recognize
it,
which
is
that
she
said
well,
this
young
girl
who's
six
said
well,
I
like
drawing-
and
I
want
to
do
more,
drawing
and
painting,
and
I
and
and
I
can
do
that
at
school,
but
sometimes
it's
hard
and
then
she
said-
and
I
said
you
do
it
at
home
and
she
said
no,
because
I
don't
have
any
pencils
or
paper
and
it
and
it
was
a.
I
For
the
first
time
it
happened.
There
was
activity
that
happened
outside
of
the
city
center,
so
we're
really
alert
to
that.
We
appreciate
that
we
can't
solve
every
challenge
around
poverty,
every
challenge
around
communities,
but
we
have
a
role
to
play
in
making
sure
that
as
much
of
the
programmers
we
can
make
happen
can
be
free
as
much
of
it
as
can
be
participated
in
as
easily
as
possible.
I
So
thinking
about
how
people
get
to
places
embedding
some
of
that
working
communities
feels
really
important
and,
as
I
said,
the
leeds
23
project
that
we've
just
talked
about
is
about
artists
who's,
who
are
embedding
themselves
in
their
own
communities
to
tell
those
stories
in
the
way
that
those
communities
want
them
to
be
told,
and
I
think
you
know
that
the
impact
of
that
won't
be
immediate,
but
exceeding
some
of
that
stuff
to
really
showcase
and
create
that
sort
of
to
reduce
those
boundaries.
Just
you
know
appreciate
the
question.
E
Just
very
briefly,
thank
you
for
john's
reply
and
and
yours
I
think
you
met
new
world
league
school.
It's
it's
castleton.
The
head
teacher
co-head
is
andrea,
o'reilly,
marvelous
person.
She
does
all
the
wonderful
things
you
say,
but
it's
very
much
a
struggling
community
and
we
we
have
helped
greatly
to
we.
E
We
did
sponsor
a
trip
to
london
and
parliament
for
them.
You
know
most
kids
in
my
area
never
seen
london
and
they
now
come
up
with
another
one
which
is
quite
expensive
and
we'll
do
our
best.
We
work
very
closely
and
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
but
it's
my
job,
to
keep
the
inner
cities
in
the
forefront
of
your
mind
and
that's
what
I'm
doing
and
the
votes
upset
a
few
people.
E
That's
okay.
I
hope
I
haven't.
I'm
I'm
a
big
culture,
build
myself.
I
really
am
you
know
one,
but
it's
no
matter.
What's
being
said,
culture,
depending
on
how
you
describe
culture
is
not
available
to
many
many
people
in
the
inner
city
areas.
A
I'll
take
that
as
a
comment,
if
that's
all
right,
I
think
it's
worth
just
noting
the
videos
that
we
got
sent
round
circulated
as
members
which
were
different
in
communities,
including
one
in
army
and
also
be
missing
me
not
to
mention
slung
low,
who
are
based
in
holbeck.
Clearly
in
the
city
ward,
my
my
ward
and
I
hope
you'll
be
working
with
that
sort
of
organization.
That's
actually
grounded
in
the
community.
A
Who've
done
lots
of
things
that
you
said
about
providing
paper
and
pencils
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
paint
which
is
really
important.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
bring
in
councillor
firth
next,
please.
O
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
I
just
wanted
to
actually,
rather
than
make
statements,
I
wanted
to
actually
dig
into
the
state
the
figures
that
are
in
the
report
to
find
out
how
actually
this
project,
which
is
a
fantastic
international
project.
We
can
sometimes
disagree
on
how
it's
delivered
financially
or
otherwise,
but
we
want
to
look
at
how
it
the
impact
and
the
legacy
that
it's
going
to
have.
O
O
I
appreciate
that
23
wards
in
the
year
for
2023,
but
we
have
all
right
well,
it
was
mistaken
that
it
was
23.
So
as
a
result,
if
it
is
33,
then
I'm
mistaken,
but
the
other
question
was
to
ask:
there
are
six
schools
mentioned
to
be
consulted
and
part
of
the
initial
program?
O
Can
you
confirm
where
those
schools
are
and
what
you've
been
doing
with
those
schools?
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
J
Yeah
I'll
just
make
a
couple
of
comments
and
then
I'll
pass
across
to
the
223
teams
coming
as
well.
So
there's
a
very
clear
requirement
in
the
grant
agreement
between
ourselves
and
the
2023
to
measure
to
measure
the
impact
of
the
year
and
I'll,
allow
collie
and
abigail
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
that
and
the
the
process
they've
gone
through
to
identify
a
partner
who
is
now
in
place.
J
Although
I
don't
know
if
you
can
say
who
that
is
today
and
then
I
think
the
the
the
particular
project
is
actually
around
23
artists
in
23
awards
for
that
particular
project,
but
that
there
is
a
commitment
for
events
to
be
right
across
the
city
in
every
ward
in
the
year
of
culture
itself.
I
Yeah
I
mean
impact
is
really
important
for
us
and
we're
working
quite
closely
with
council
around
legacy
planning
as
well.
One
of
the
things
we've
just
just
in
the
process
of
agreeing
has
been
a
brief
around
evaluation
and.
I
Sorry
around
research
and
evaluation
and
we're
working
with
the
center
for
cultural
value
and
the
audience
agency
to
really
scope
out
what
that
looks
like
and
that
will
kick
off
later
later
this
year.
So
that's
very
exciting
to
kind
of
know
that
we're
also
looking
at
both
the
historic
data
from
other
cities
of
culture,
but
also
what
is
specific
about
about
leads
and
also
what?
I
What,
in
that
strategic
plan
the
the
objectives
are
that
we're
trying
to
measure
and
respond
to
so
we
can
certainly
give
you
more
information
around
those
objectives
and
those
are
being
scoped
up
in
terms
of
the
schools
program.
The
six
schools
I
haven't
got
the
names
in
front
of
me
and
forgive
me
I
can
circulate
those
later,
but
that
that
was
a
an
initial
starting
point.
I
We
are
committed
to
looking
working
with
the
leads
cultural
education,
partnership
and
engagement
across
all
of
the
the
schools
and
different
ways
in
which
communities
can
respond
and
those
young
people
can
respond,
and
they,
the
sixth
pilot
project,
was
really
about
learning.
I
I
guess
it
was
part
of
letting
culture
loose
so,
for
example,
some
of
those
you
know
some
of
the
work
with
those
young
people
was
thinking
about
leads
as
a
future
city,
and
what
might
they
want
to
see-
and
some
of
that
has
then
been
taken
on
by
an
artist
and
hopefully
across
the
city
later
in
the
year
you'll.
Some
of
it
see
the
artwork
that
those
young
people
have
created
that
has
been
taken
on
by
art,
students
from
the
arts
university
and
there's
major
poster
campaign.
I
That
will
happen,
so
it's
all
layering
the
work
and
the
voices
of
young
people
and
part
and
parcel
of
our
advocacy
and
campaign
building.
But
it's
also
about
looking
at
building
relationships,
testing
things
and
growing
them
out
to
a
wider
context.
The
the
other
thing
I
would
say-
and
I
it
would
be
remiss
of
me
not
to
which
is
for
all
of
last
year-
there
was
four
staff
in
terms
of
delivering
what
we've
delivered
so
far.
I
We've
we've
got
a
team
of
just
under
25
now,
but
there's
it's
only
just
beginning
to
so
us.
Our
ability
to
be
really
embedded
has
been
has
been
hampered
by
the
context
we're
working
with,
but
also
the
resource
that
we
have
available.
So
we're
trying
to
be
really
smart
about
how
we
work
in
partnership.
So
you
know,
slung
glow
are
a
really
significant
partner
for
us
in
terms
of
the
work
they're
doing
in
holbein.
I
We
also
know
that
there's
a
strategy
for
the
other
neighborhoods
around
the
other
wards
to
look
at
making
sure
that
there
is
something
in
across
all
33
and
again
with
with
our
sort
of
cultural
partners
like
harwood
house
or
sunny
bank
mills.
You
know
there's
lots
of
conversations
about
how
they
might
maximize
what
they
already
do
and
how
we
can
enhance
that
and
connect
that,
through
some
of
the
strands
we're
doing.
A
Thank
you
just
to
say
that
we'll
probably
want
you
to
come
back
in
future
to
see
how
that
develops,
because
that
legacy,
what
the
actual
statistics
are
and
I'm
also
about
making
sure
you
do
hit
all
the
wards,
so
it
counts
to
further
just
trying
to
support
your
point.
There.
O
No
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
that
response.
The
only
thing
the
reason
I
asked
that
question
is
is
obviously
slogans
are
all
well
and
good,
but
obviously
this
is
about
changing
lives
and
I
think
the
biggest
thing
for
when
it
comes
to
leeds
2023
is
that
yes,
there
is
that
potentially
the
issue
of,
and
I'm
very
glad,
colleen.
You
mentioned
hairwood
house,
because
I
was
going
to
ask
given
that
it
was
23.
What
was
the
spread
in
terms
of
also
looking
at
schools?
O
That
I
appreciate
is
one
of
the
most
prosperous
sit
wards
in
the
city,
but
also
there
are
communities
within
my
ward
and
in
the
outer
northeast,
particularly
also
I
mentioned
weatherby,
for
example,
which
are
significantly
further
than
anywhere
else
in
the
city
from
the
city
centre
and
as
a
result,
reaching
out
to
those
particular
areas
is
a
particular
concern
for
our
representatives
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
can
deliver
that,
and
ultimately,
I
want
to
be
on
a
position
where
we
can
understand
how
we
can
ultimately
achieve
that
aim
and
what
the
the
culture,
trust
and
others
want
to
achieve.
O
And
that
particular
point
then,
as
a
result,
can
I
ask
in
terms
of
of
looking
at
that,
do
you
have
any
sort
of
geographical
information
on
where
those
spreads
would
be,
instead
of
actually
knowing
where
they
actually
were?
And
ultimately,
what
is
the?
What
has
that
program
involved
and
what
is
that
looking
to
achieve
as
it
goes
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
can
involve
as
many
as
possible?
Thank
you
chair.
J
Chair
might,
may
I
suggest
that
that's
something
that
we
can
come
back
come
back
to
scrutiny
on
specifically
because
it's
quite
early
days
for
the
culture
trust
in
terms
of
getting
the
impact
baseline,
and
we
probably
also
need
to
advise
about
the
data
by
ward
and
how
we
can
help
present
it.
So
would
it
be
okay
to
address
that
in
future
as
part
of
a
future
discussion.
A
Yeah
that
makes
sense
to
me,
and
but
I
think
the
the
point
to
take
from
the
board
is
that
members
want
to
see
it
across
the
city.
Members
want
to
see
the
inner
city
depart,
there
is
included.
So
I
think
that's
that's
the
point.
That's
worth
noting
when
you're
devising
in
that
plan.
D
Thank
you,
chair,
just
an
observation
and
a
couple
of
questions.
If
I'm
here
just
on
council
mckenna's
and
councillor
pereira's
comments,
I
I
agree
with
what
both
of
you
said
really,
and
I
think
it's
about
how
we
perceive
culture
which,
when
I
I
read
the
report,
he's
kind
of
missing,
because
I
think
lots
of
people
are
excluded,
in
inverted
commas,
for
cost
or
perception
or
whatever.
That
reason
may
be,
but
I
agree
totally
with
what
counselor
prior
said:
it
is
everybody's
domain,
but
it's
about
getting
that
message
to
people.
D
Isn't
it
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
language
has
been
very
middle-class.
It
has
been
very
exclusive.
It
is,
but
if
you
drill
down
into
different
groups,
then
they
are
all
undoubtedly
very
proud
of
their
culture.
Whatever
that
group
may
be,
it
may
be
a
geographical
group
or
an
ethnic
group,
but
they
are
very
proud
of
their
culture.
D
So
perhaps
it
would
be
an
idea-
and
forgive
me
from
being
arrogant
to
incorporate
some
of
that,
because
when
I
was
reading
this,
it's
it's
very
linear
in
terms
of
what
culture
actually
is
and
and
for
different
groups.
Culture
is
different
things
and
that's
the
way
to
engage
a
wider,
a
wider
group
of
people
and
my
question
was-
and
I
think,
he's
kind
of
touching
it
counselor
first
about
how
things
are
evaluated,
and
particularly
around
the
health
and
well-being
and
and
even
below
that
around
the
mental
health
statistics.
D
It's
an
area
I'm
particularly
interested
in
and
how
on
earth
will
you
measure
measure
that,
when
we
have
lots
of
people
who
don't
identify
ever
until
they
reach
crisis?
So
I'm
very
interested
because
the
kind
of
headline
targets
out
there
and
I
hope
that
they
are
achieved,
but
I'm
very
interested
in
how
that
will
be
evaluated
and
measured
and
and
what
the
returns
will
be.
K
Yeah,
I
think
councillor
burke,
is
is
entirely
correct.
I
mean
culture.
Is
it's
in
our
parks?
It's
in
our
social
clubs.
It's
in
working
men's
clubs.
They
really
are
it's
completely
embedded
in
our
community.
So
when
I
was
eight
or
nine,
I
used
to
learn
irish
dancing
in
in
a
community
center
run
by
the
locals,
kits
community,
where
that
was
and-
and
that
was
like
a
real
kind
of
communities
on
top
of
each
other,
sharing
the
same
spaces
sharing
culture.
You
know,
culture
is
it's
food.
It's
sport.
K
There
are
elements
of
culture
that
are
expensive.
Council
cameron,
we
kind
of
mentioned.
K
You
know
you
know
big
trips
to
the
theater
or
the
opera
or
the
ballet
and-
and
I
think
the
trouble
is
when
people
hear
the
word
culture-
that's
where
their
their
mind
immediately
goes
to,
but
it
is
so
much
more
than
that
and
for
a
lot
of
people
culture
is.
Is
you
know
what
you
do
every
day?
It's
what
you
you
know
who
you
are
who
you're
surrounded
by-
and
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
strands
we
really
want
to
pull
out
throughout
leads
2023.
J
And
just
in
terms
of
measurement
counsellor,
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
around
developing
the
adoption
of
the
social
progress
index
for
the
council
to
help
us
measure
the
delivery
of
inclusive
growth
and
in
that
index
we
want
to
include
measures
around
culture,
but
it
will
also
include
measures
around
health
and
well-being,
so
that
is
sep.
That
is
not
the
specific
measurement
of
the
impact
of
leads
2023,
which
I
think
collie
and
abigail
are
better
to
answer
on
that
one.
J
But
we
are
trying
to
ensure
that
over
time
we
can
measure
long-term
impacts
of
those
areas
and
and
if
you're
interested
in
hearing
about
that
I'll,
send
some
links
through
afterwards.
So
you
can
just
see
a
bit
more
barking
and
dagenham
have
adopted
it
in
their
council
and
using
it
really
effectively.
So
I'll
send
it
to
robert
afterwards
for
a
bit
more
information
about
that.
A
D
Thank
you,
that'd
be
really
useful
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
about
morbidity,
which
is
a
really
key
element.
Isn't
it
and
it
would
be
fantastic
if
that
was
included
as
a
measurement
as
well,
particularly
through
this
this
project
and
bid.
I
read
an
article
last
week
about
sorry,
andrew
women
in
old
beck,
the
worst
area
in
the
the
country
for
women
in
old,
back
to
live
in
terms
of
life
expectancy.
D
So
it
would
be
really
useful
if
we
could
use
something
like
this
as
a
vehicle,
and
I
don't
know
how
much
impact
it
could
have,
but
any
impact
would
be
really
positive.
Wouldn't
it
thank
you.
J
So
it
does
include
life
expectancy
as
one
of
the
measures
in
there,
along
with
things
like
air
quality
and
so
on.
So,
as
I
say,
I'll
pop
up
pop
a
link
through
so
that
you've
got
more
information
around.
There
is
a
reference
to
it
in
the
report,
but
not
in
any
detail.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I
think
the
point
council
burke
is
making
around
mortality
in
one
but
mobility
being
another
factor
is
really
important
point
to
to
highlight
there,
whereas
you
can
be
alive
and
have
a
poor
quality
of
life.
Can't
you,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
counselor
hamilton
next.
C
Thank
you.
I
won't
ask
certain
questions
because
they've
been
asked
already:
it's
just.
You
mentioned
the
33
words
that
there'll
be
a
couple
of
you
know.
Events
maybe
can
I
just
say
it
will
probably
need
to
be
more
than
a
couple,
and
I
know
in
here
it's
mentioned
the
carnival.
Well,
the
carnival
isn't
the
only
cultural
event
that
people
attend.
There's
a
lot
more
going
on.
You
know
within
in
a
northeast
leeds
I'm
talking
about.
So
I
do
hope
you
all
will.
C
Will
I
know
it's
a
big
task
coming
on,
but
there'll
be
more
than
just
the
ones
that
are
known.
You
know,
there's
others
that
take
place
and
then
my
question
is
it
stated
that
there'll
be
about
a
thousand
jobs
created
at
these
thousand
jobs?
Are
they
going
to
be
continuous
after
or
is
it
just
for
the
year?
C
You
know
because
it's
it's
great
a
thousand
jobs,
but
at
the
end
of
2023,
what's
going
to
happen,
you
know
they're
gonna
continue
move
on
elsewhere
and
also
we
are
excited
about
the
2023..
C
We
want
the
all
the
leads
to
be
excited
regarding
the
2023,
like
the
tour
de
france,
but
that
came
like
just
a
couple
of
weeks
before
this
you,
you
know
it's
coming
2023,
so
are
you
starting
to
get
the
city
excited?
I
don't
see
anything.
C
I
mean
okay,
I'll,
give
you
a
chance
because
he
said
you've
got
25
staff
now,
so
you
know
just
about
promoting
it
and
getting
the
city
behind
it,
because
at
first
when
the
tour
de
france
came,
it
was
quiet,
nobody
won't
bother,
but
then
the
old
city,
you
know,
got
all
excited
and
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see
for
2023,
so,
starting
from
next
year
sometime,
let's
start
getting
people
the
feel
good
factor
after
we've
been
through
this
pandemic.
So
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see
next
year,
but
just
about
the
jobs.
J
On
that,
the
figure
around
the
jobs
came
from
some
analysis
that
colleagues
from
the
culture
trust
commission.
So
I
don't
know
the
detail
of
that
without
referring
back
to
the
report
collier
abigail
may,
but
if
they
don't,
we
might
need
to
get
back
in
in
writing
and
I'm
sure
colleen
would
also
want
to
just
advise
about
how
we're
getting
people
excited
about
the
year
of.
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
yeah,
I
mean
I,
I
guess
you
know
letting
culture
loose
was
an
initial
launch
around
really
broadening
the
sort
of
sense
of
what
culture
is
and
that
different
communities
celebrate
culture
in
different
ways
and
and
the
stories
we
want
to
tell
about
that.
We're
working
really.
I
You
know
in
close
voting,
very
close
partnership
this
year
with
yorkshire
evening
post,
for
example,
which
on
a
whole
program-
that's
hello,
called
hello,
leads
about
introducing
leads
to
leads,
and
some
of
highlighting
some
of
the
activity
that's
happening
across
all
of
our
communities,
but
also
in
very
particular,
grassroots
cultural
activity.
To
really
showcase
the
diversity
that's
happening
there.
It's
been
so
successful
that
they've
actually
now
extended
a
weekend.
I
H
You,
yes,
so
the
partnership
with
the
yorkshire
union
post
is
really
critical,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
read
the
auction
evening.
Post
do
know
about
lee's
2023,
and
so
with
that
in
mind,
we
have
to
work
with
the
other
messengers
in
the
city.
H
We
can't
do
it
on
our
own,
so
the
council
has
set
up
a
tourism-wide
group,
so
we're
working
together
all
the
tourism
partners
in
the
city
to
think
about
how
we
might
dress
the
city
for
the
year
of
culture,
we're
going
to
be
thinking
about
how
we
might
work
with
communities,
so
they
can
create
their
own
version
of
leeds
2023
physically
in
their
own
communities.
H
So
those
are
conversations
that
are
starting
to
happen,
but
we
have
to
work
with
partners
on
that.
We
cannot
do
that
on
our
own,
so
people
like
the
leeds
bid,
but
then
also
kind
of
council
colleagues
working
in
the
in
the
districts
to
think
about
how
the
district
centers
can
be
animated
for
the
year
of
culture.
So
that'll
be
work.
That
certainly
is
starting
now,
but
that
we
have
to
continue
next
year.
K
Yeah,
so
we
can
circulate
some
of
the
some
of
the
details
about
the
job
creation
later,
but
I've
just
got
between
in
front
of
me,
so
it
was
a
report
from
bob
consulting
and
they
looked
at
the
uk
cities
of
culture
from
hull
and
derry,
looking
at
their
economic
impact
and
and
based
on
kind
of
where
we
are
with
2023
and
how
much
could
be
invested,
it
was
around
1300
new
jobs
in
2023,
rising
to
1600
by
2030.,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
because
it's
it
kind
of
generates
that
income
for
for
the
visitor
economy.
K
It's
pumping
money
not
just
into
cultural
institutions
but
into
bars.
Restaurants,
hotels
and
it
does
kind
of
it
grows
the
economy
in
that
way
and
where
we
are
with
2023,
you
know
before
covid
it
was.
It
was
a
fantastic
opportunity
for
for
leeds
for
our
city
to
kind
of
grow,
grow
the
economy
in
that
direction.
I
think,
since
covid
it's
actually
become
crucial
to
our
recovery.
You
know
our
city
centres
and
local
centres
have
had
had
a
battering.
You
know
a
lot
of
businesses
are
really
struggling.
K
The
the
cultural
sector
and
the
service
industries
were
very
much
the
kind
of
the
first
to
close
and
the
last
to
open,
and
this
is
a
real
opportunity
to
give
them
a
much
needed
economic
boost
which,
which
will
last
years
beyond
2023.
C
Just
going
on
to
that,
thank
you
for
that.
With
regards
to
you've
mentioned
about
the
businesses
first,
the
clothes
last
to
open.
However,
the
2023
are
we
involved
with
the
businesses
to
try
and
get
them
on
board.
We
know
that
they're
suffering
at
this
moment
in
time,
but
for
them
to
see
what
the
potential
will
be
if
they'll
become
involved
in
in
you
know,
and
what
what
funding
are
they
putting
in?
What
will
they
provide?
J
So
thanks
councillor
so
from
from
one
of
the
good
things
about
culture
and
economy
being
in
my
portfolio
together.
Is
that
working
with
the
other
heads
of
service
we're
very
clear
about
the
opportunity
that
resides
in
the
wider
economy.
So
we
are
working
already
proactively
with
some
of
the
key
stakeholders
as
as,
as
abigail
said,
around
the
visitor
economy,
for
example,
and
councillor
prior
was
talking
about
the
jobs
increase
after
the
year
of
culture.
J
J
We
are
already
working
with
some
of
those
partners
and
that
work
will
increase
over
time
and
we
have
good
partnerships
with
people
like
the
leeds
hotels
and
venues
association
and
on
the
culture
side,
with
the
major
institutions
and
the
heritage
sites
in
the
city
as
well,
and
we're
working
at
the
moment
to
make
sure
we
put
the
right
structures
and
partnerships
in
place.
So
we
can
maximize
on
that
and
you'll
see
more
in
the
comments.
C
Can
you
make
sure
you
include
the
market
I'd
like
to
see
the
market
lead,
market,
decorated
and
vibrant?
We
need
more
footfall
there,
so
you
know
to
get
people
there
and
they
you
know
like
the
30th
of
this
month.
There
is
the
black
history
taking
place
if
they,
those
sort
of
people
were
involved
in
rallying-
and
you
know,
let's
get
lead
city
and
mark
it
up
and
vibrant
again
as
well,
and
that's
it
from
me.
K
Just
a
very
brief
point,
because
co-gate
market
also
comes
under
my
portfolio,
and
I
think
co-gate
market
is
a
great
example
of
kind
of
it's
a
cultural
institution
as
well
as
somewhere
to
buy
things
and
actually,
when
we've
been
tracking
full
return
in
the
city
centre
and
co-gate
market.
It's
returning
faster
in
kirkgate
market
than
the
rest
of
the
city
centre,
and
it
just
shows
when
you've
got
that
additional
cultural
offer
that
brought.
That
brings
people
in.
I
Just
a
just
a
very
quick
note,
just
as
a
reminder
that
you
know,
despite
covid,
we
brought
in
an
additional
one
and
a
half
million
pounds
last
year
up
to
date,
and
we
know
that
part
of
that
has
been
in
working
in
partnership
with
some
of
the
anchor
institutions
like
the
universities,
but
also
some
of
the
key
businesses
in
the
city.
We're
also
kind
of
working
closely
with
some
of
those
key
there's
a
huge
amount
of
enthusiasm
and
obviously,
for
some
people
there's
a
real.
I
They
they've
had
difficulty
thinking
about
23,
because
they're
dealing
with
such
immediate
concerns,
but
actually
every
conversation
we've
had
with
a
whole
diverse
range
of
people
has
been
enthusiastically
received
and
people
want
to
support,
sometimes
with
with
cash,
sometimes
in
kind,
sometimes
through
doing
stuff
for
us.
So
I
think
we're
we're
galvanizing
that
in
all
sorts
of
ways
we
recognize
some
of
the
challenges
that
people
have,
but
I
think
I
think
the
the
fact
that
we
managed
to
bring
in
that
investment
in
such
hard
circumstances
bodes
well
for
the
times
ahead.
A
B
Thanks
jay,
it
comes
from
some
of
the
conversations
we've
had
in
your
point
just
there,
but
really
what
what
we've
heard
probably
from
everyone
is
all
the
experience
that
ward
members
have
of
their
areas,
and
I
think
what
I
was
going
to
bring
out
was
how
ward
members
would
then
be
involved,
because
you
look
at
the
different
areas
across
the
communities
and
if
there's
someone
that
knows
the
potential
and
the
impact
that
place
making
could
have,
and
you
don't
need
to
sell
any
of
the
benefits
of
of
culture
to
me
at
all.
B
B
People
may
know
of
calvary
old
hall
a
nationally
renowned,
medieval
hall
in
the
village,
but
people
might
not
know
that,
for
instance,
before
kobe
would
read
our
first
eid
mailer
in
the
community
and
there
is
that
community
there's
the
stories
that
ward
members
will
know
that
aren't
necessarily
heard
because
they
aren't
what
people
would
immediately
think
of
when
they
think
of
your
area
and
they're,
probably
the
people
that
don't
come
together,
often
and
share
them.
B
You
know
so
the
mailer
would
never
happen
at
sunnybank
mills,
for
instance,
because
that's
two
communities
that
probably
wouldn't
see
that
connection,
but
there's
the
heritage
that
they
have
that
join
there.
You
have
a
community
that
is
new
to
that
area,
should
we
say
but
has
heritage
that
they
could
bring
and
there's
a
lot
of
understanding
that
they
could
enhance
among
communities
of
that
area.
They're
also
less
likely
to
know
all
the
heritage
that
the
people
that
live
in
the
villages
that
I
live
know
because
we
have
a
wealth
of
heritage
in
history.
B
That's
there
of
that
village.
So
it's
all
about
bringing
communities
together,
but
I
think
really,
ward
members
are
the
ones
that
probably
would
would
be
able
to
point
that
out.
So
just
just
around
how
you'd
work
with
ward
members,
because
I
mean
I
can
see
the
potential
in
my
area-
I'd
love
to
tell
everyone
exactly
what
I'd
love
to
see
in
my
area,
some
of
which
I'm
sure
is
deliverable
or
not.
But
I'm
sure
you
know,
other
members
would
as
well
as
we've
heard
from
from
stories
from
the
inner
city
communities
as
well.
K
Can't
supply,
I
think
you
make
a
a
great
point
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
as
2023
develops
work
more
with
members.
Obviously
the
the
piece
that
council
first
mentioned,
the
the
23
awards
is
just
one
of
the
the
events
and
I
know
we
have
there's
been
a
process
that
started
where
some
members
in
some
areas
have
been
reached
out
by
some
of
the
artists
working
with
2023.
K
But
I
think
the
vision
is
to
have
members
involved
at
every
stage,
because
there
are
going
to
be
a
huge
number
of
of
events
that
are
all
going
to
be
kind
of
slightly
different
in
different
areas,
because
you're
absolutely
right,
members
know
their
communities
kind
of
better
than
most
they'll
know.
Because
one
ward
is
it's
not
just
one
community
either
it's
several
layered
on
top
of
each
other
and
around
each
other,
and
it's
and
it's
members
who'll
be
able
to
unlock
a
lot
of
that.
So
that'll
be
a
key
thing
going
forward.
A
Thank
you
councillor.
Prior
okay,
I'm
going
to
bring
in
councillor
anderson
next.
L
I'll
try
and
not
repeat
too
much,
but
just
quick
word
on
the
cost
of
attendance.
I
free.
I
got
a
copy
of
a
brochure
that
happened
to
be
from
the
grand
yesterday,
where
their
prices
start
from
19
pounds
up
to
70
pounds,
and
so
finally,
you
might
argue
that
19
pounds
affordable,
but
you
ain't
going
to
get
much
of
a
view,
and
are
we
saying
that
these
people
who
pay
19
pounds
should
be
getting
a
second
class
service?
L
I
do
think
we've
got
to
look
at
some
of
these
institutions
and
whether
or
not
they
are
overly
pricing
people
out
to
be
quite
frank,
because
there
are
some
sections
of
the
community-
well
70
pounds,
nothing
to
them.
Let's
be
quite
frank,
whereas
other
people,
you
know
it's
a
month's
worth
of
savings
on
on
something,
and
I
think
we've
got
to
look
at
that,
but
going
on
from
that
the
legacy
funding
we've
argued
well.
Some
of
us
have
been
arguing
this
council
for
some
time
about
the
funding
of
this.
L
So
when
it
comes
to
the
legacy
funding,
are
you
in
discussions
with
people
like
victoria
as
to
how
you're
going
to
be
taking
this
forward?
Or
are
you
going
to
go
for
more
sponsorship
to
offset
it
going
forward?
Fine
up
to
2023
we've
had
the
debate.
We've
had
the
argument,
but
after
that,
it's
how
can
we
take
it
on
in
our
communities
where's
that
funding
going
to
come
from
because
as
community
committees,
our
money's
been
getting
cut
back?
So
we
can't
really
find
that
money,
because
then
it
means
cutting
back
on
something
else.
L
Then
I
would
suggest
that
we
need
to
get
meetings
set
up
with
ward
members
and,
if
not
ward
members
community
committees
very
quickly
to
see
what
can
be
delivered
or
what
support
is
already
in
existence.
For
example,
I
would
give
you
ralph
thoresby
high
schools,
theatre
which
to
me
could
be
utilized
now.
That's
in
my
ward,
that's
me
being
parochial,
but
every
other
councillor
can
probably
come
up
with
examples
in
their
own
areas
where
there
are
facilities
that
could
be
utilized
guys.
Lake
theatre,
for
example,
there's
a
whole
raft
of
other
ones.
L
I
do
think
we
need
to
look
at
taster
sessions
so
that
some
people
can
understand
what
is
opera.
You
know
I
was
I
was
I
was
invited
to
attend.
I
think
it
was
about
six
minutes,
five,
six
minute
presentations
or
something
in
the
grand,
because
I
couldn't
in
all
honesty,
tell
you
when
I
can
speak
english
and
that's
barely
possibly
scottish
more
than
anything
else,
but
never
mind
italian.
L
L
In
my
ward,
once
you
get
past
about
10
o'clock
at
night,
you're
marooned
public
transport,
and
that
I
have
no
doubt
I
mean
I
once
ended
a
presentation
where
people
in
holbeck
were
complaining
that
their
their
bus
service
was
pathetic.
So
you
know
it's
not
just
an
outer
area
once
we
need
to
look
at
when
we're
running
these
events
are
the
bus
companies.
That's
assuming
that
by
that
time
the
west
yorkshire
mayor
hasn't
managed
to
do
what
she's
planning
to
do
but
they're
still
first
bus
that
are,
you,
know
one
of
the
major
players.
L
Are
they
going
to
rise
to
the
challenge
of
putting
on
public
transport
so
that
people
can
get
to
and
from
and
the
other
thing
is
sponsorship
and
subsidy?
I'm
talking
about
these
70
pound
tickets?
Can
we
not
get
some
organization
to
subsidise
some
of
those
tickets
so
that
some
of
these
people
can
experience
what
it's
like
to
sit
in
the
grand
theatre
and
sit
in
good
seats
in
the
grand
theater
and
the
experience
it
will
have?
You
know,
for
example,
the
one
I
was
looking
at
yesterday
was
bed
knobs
and
broomsticks.
L
Now,
that's
going
to
be
fantastic
to
see
how
they're
going
to
get
this
bed
to
float
around
now
children
are
going
to
be
absolutely
fascinated
by
that
and
if
you're
sitting
up
in
the
gods,
you'll
not
really
see
it,
that's
the
thing
I'm
getting
that
it
gets
people's
passion.
It's
I'm
finished!
You
were
glad
you
know.
A
Thanks
ken
thanks
thanks
council
anderson
just
for
people
watching
whilst
it
says
council
diane
chapman
on
the
on
the
on
the
video
speaking
he's
been
councillor,
anderson
counselor,
do
you
want
to
respond.
K
Yes,
quite
a
wide-ranging
question
there.
There
are
some
elements
of
that
which
you
know
aren't
necessarily
within
within
the
the
purview
of
2023
and
things
like
kind
of
price
points
for
tickets
that
the
grand
theater
put
on.
I
know
that
I
I'm
on
the
board
of
oprah
north
and
I
know
upper
north-
do
it
kind
of
a
huge
amount
to
try
and
get
new
audiences
in
kind
of
talking
at
young
people
doing
cheaper
tickets?
So
I
know
some
theater
companies
are
doing
that.
K
I
think
bed,
knobs
and
broomsticks
might
be
a
bit
more
commercial,
so
you
know
if
they've
brought
them
into
theater.
There
might
be
less
opportunity
to
do
that,
but
it
kind
of
outrageous
council
first,
but
so
some
of
this
is
beyond
the
purview
of
2023..
K
I
know
that
again,
operanoff
has
done
things
like
the
whistle
stop
operas,
which
were
kind
of
short
ones
in
more
public
places.
I
know
that
maybe
seven
hours
of
wagner's
ring
cycle
might
be
not
quite
entry-level
opera,
so
there
have
been
efforts
to
you,
know,
try
and
introduce
people
slowly
and-
and
I
think
you
know
when
we
again-
it
goes
back
to
some
points
we've
made
before
about
what
culture
is,
and
it
is
so
much
more
than
that
kind
of
almost
high
culture.
K
I
suppose
some
might
call
it,
and
that
really
is
at
the
heart
of
2023
about
getting
through
to
all
communities.
I
think
some
of
your
comments
about
public
transport
are
absolutely
valid
and
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
look
at
going
forward.
It's
not
something
we
can.
You
know
2023
can't
directly
instruct,
but
I
think
your
point
is
is
really
important
about
having
those
conversations
and
we'll
certainly
look
to
working
with
community
committees
and
parish
and
town
councils.
Absolutely.
A
Thank
you,
I
think,
there's
also
just
a
bit
of
a
challenge
around
around
using
those
ambassadors.
So
one
of
the
things
child
friendly
leads
does,
for
example,
is
brings
in
so
healthy
holidays
has
brought
children
into
the
city
centre
for
the
dinosaurs
and,
if
somehow
as
a
legacy,
the
culture
trust
can
do
some
of
that
sort
of
stuff.
I
think
that'd
be
very
positive.
So
did
you
want
to
comment
as
well.
J
Yeah,
just
just
just
to
address
some
of
the
other
points
that
were
made
by
the
councillor,
so
so
in
relation
to
long-term
funding.
I
think
there's
a
huge
opportunity
to
work
really
closely
with
the
culture
trust
to
increase
philanthropy
into
the
arts
and
culture
and
to
try
and
sustain
that
philanthropy,
as
well
as
sponsorship
from
the
private
sector.
J
But
there
is
work
to
be
done
to
think
about
how
we
want
to
achieve
that,
and
I'm
sure
victoria
will
be
pleased
to
hear
that
my
team
have
been
thinking
about
how
we
can
drive
up
income
and
innovative
ways
around
sponsorship
to
support
the
whole
of
the
lead
city,
council,
culture
service,
for
example,
museums,
museums
and
galleries.
J
So
that's
very
much
on
the
radar
councillor
and
you
know
I
think,
there's
been
two
points
now
made
about
member
engagement
and
I
think
we
need
to
come
back
with
you
just
to
kind
of
confirm
how
we'll
make
sure
we
do
that
really
well
over
the
next
few
years
and
transport.
Just
to
add
that
has
been
suggested.
J
Abigail
mentioned
the
group.
That's
come
together
around
visitor,
welcome
that
had
also
picked
up
that
question
about
transport
and
whether
there's
something
we
could
do
in
the
year,
but
we're
very
early
days
in
terms
of
an
idea
that
then
needs
some
discussion
and
how
feasible
it
is.
I
sit
on
the
inclusive
growth
scrutiny
committee
as
well,
and
there's
lots
of
discussions
around
transport
there.
So
I
know
how
difficult
some
of
that
might
be,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
be
looking
at
it.
Okay,.
I
Just
one
tiny
thing
by
way
of
note,
which
is
that
the
research
we've
done
and
the
feedback
we're
getting
from
people
like
national
heritage,
lottery
funds
or
some
of
the
arts,
council
funding
programs,
or
indeed
some
of
the
other
philanthropic
and
foundations,
is
that
actually
leeds
doesn't
ask
sufficiently
from
some
of
those
resources
and
part
of
ask.
I
Our
role
is
to
build
a
capacity
in
the
city
for
it
to
be
known,
to
be
able
to
go
out
there
and
bring
that
you
know
to
increase
the
the
ass
from
national
health
issues,
lottery
around
heritage
work
and
to
build
build
those
relationships
more
strongly
and
network
them
within
the
city,
and
we
have
begun
to
do
that.
So
that's
really
exciting.
I
think
that
will
also
have
a
longer-term
legacy
impact
in
terms
of
investment
being
sustained
and
brought
into
the
city
by
those
organizations.
A
N
Actually,
I
think
everybody's
covered
what
I
wanted
to
say.
It
was
very
much
around
the
ward
member
engagement
community
committees,
but
also
the
local
community
groups,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
groups.
It's
certainly
my
world
to
actually
organise
events.
It
would
be
nice
to
link
in
with
them
and
and
let
them
develop
things
locally.
A
Thank
you,
council,
chapman
I'll.
Take
that
as
a
supportive
comment.
If
that's
okay
and
clearly
that
is
a
comment-
that's
been
made
by
a
number
of
members
and
I'm
sure
the
whole
board
supports
that.
The
the
the
thought
behind
that
comment,
I'm
going
to
bring
councillor
firth
back
in.
O
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
it's
been
interesting
to
hear
some
of
the
responses
further
to
adding
a
bit
more
meat
on
the
bone,
because
I
have
to
stress
out
I'm
a
little
concerned,
but
I
appreciate
there
are
other
issues,
but
there
are
a
number
of
questions
we
come
today
where
that
information
is
going
to
have
to
be
provided
after
this
meeting,
and
obviously
we
want
to
hold
everything
that
public
money,
taxpayers
money
is
going
into
to
account,
and
so
certainly
in
the
future.
Hopefully
we
can
reflect
on
that
information.
O
We're
able
to
have
an
even
more
robust
discussion
as
well.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
add
in
particular
was:
I
was
a
little
bit
concerned
counselor
prior
by
and
that's
where
I
want
to
see
more
flesh
on
the
bone
about
the
legacy
that
only
300
jobs
by
2030
would
be
the
legacy
extra
on
top
of
what
was
already
created
in
seven
years
after
2023
in
relation
to
the
year
specifically,
but
I
appreciate
that
that
may
be
more
flesh
on
that
in
the
future.
O
The
other
question
I
really
wanted
to
ask
was
obviously
it
is
going
to
provide
an
economic
boost
which
we
need
to
provide
to
many
communities
that
also
have
been
hurt
by
the
past
few
months,
and
certainly,
let's
hope
that
this
accessibility
question
that
has
been
raised
is
one
that
is,
we
can
address
in
more
detail
simply
because
of
the
fact
that,
yes,
it
may
be
an
economic
boost
for
the
city,
but
if
people
don't
have
an
economic
boost
as
well,
then
they
may
not
be
able
to
actually
access
that,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
political
discussion
about
it,
but
certainly
it
is
a
a
quandary
that
we
need
to
cross.
O
The
third
and
final
point
I
was
going
to
raise,
which
is
my
question.
These
are
actually
about
what
eve
said
earlier,
which
I
noted,
which
is
that
public
investment
remains
significant
at
8.8
million
and
obviously
it
has
been
announced,
and
obviously
the
report
itself
didn't
reflect
the
fact
that
the
trust
is
obviously
looking,
unfortunately,
for
a
new
chair,
but
also
the
positive
news
of
six
new
sponsors,
including
partners
around
the
city.
Could
you
give
us
a
bit
more
detail
about
what
their
involvement
will
be?
Obviously,
there's
private
sector
businesses
there
is
a
university
involved
etc.
O
Can
you
give
us
what
involvement
that
will
be
and
also
what
is
the
actual
ambitions
for
sponsorship
in
terms
of
actually
expanding
that
in
the
future,
as
we
lead
into
2023
and
you
look
to
achieve
32
million
pounds
or
there
or
wherever
we're
able
to
achieve
to
fundraise
for
the
year?
Thank
you,
chair.
J
So
the
culture
trusts
have
a
very
structured
approach
to
seeking
this
business
sponsorship
with
different
gradings
and
are
in
the
process
at
the
moment
of
going
about
securing
that
sponsorship.
I
don't
know
about
whether
you
just
want
to
provide
some
headlines
sure.
H
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We've
developed
a
corporate
sponsorship
scheme
which
starts
with
the
lease
2023
business
club
members,
so
that
is
the
scheme
that
you've
seen
where
we've
had
six
partners
across
the
city,
and
that
is
anything
from
five
thousand
pounds
up
to
twenty
five
thousand
pounds.
H
So
small
businesses
who
might
be
keen
to
get
involved
feel
you
know,
are
at
the
level
that
they
can
get
involved,
but
also
at
the
higher
level,
and
then
we've
got
a
series
of,
I
suppose,
headline
sponsor
levels
that
are
much
more
significant
than
than
those
levels
and
season
sponsors,
because
it's
likely
we'll
divide
the
year
into
three
seasons.
H
So
those
are
the
national
companies
that
we're
aiming
for.
So
we're
having
discussions
with
all
the
businesses
that
you
might
associate
with
things
like
the
tour
de
france,
for
example,
but
as
our
colleagues
over
in
birmingham
are
finding
those
corporate
conversations,
you
know
they
they
are
challenging
because
of
the
impact
of
cobit
on
those
businesses.
But
we
remain
hopeful
that
we
can
convert
those
they
just
take
a
bit
longer.
H
So
we're
also
doing
a
range
of
fundraising
events
this
autumn
in
london,
in
in
order
to
link
up
those
key
businesses
in
leeds
that
have
nash.
You
know
their
national
bases
in
london
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
they
can
see
the
national
impact
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
H
So
we've
got
a
range
of
possibilities
developing
in
front
of
us
and
as
well
as
cultivating
the
kind
of
philanthropy,
as
you've
mentioned,
those
high
net
worth
individuals
that
have
strong
links
with
leads
and
in
who
support
culture,
but
also
sport.
I
would
say
so.
We've
talked
about
how
sport
is
going
to
be
part
of
our
year
of
culture,
which
is
unique
and
with
that
offers
an
opportunity
to
engage
those
businesses
that
are
also
keen
on
sport.
A
Thank
you
just
just
for
for
clarity.
I
think
you
said
the
aiming
for
32
million.
In
total,
I
mean,
I
think
about
quarters
from
council.
Funded,
ultimately,
is
the
one
and
a
half
million
you
mentioned
in
the
presentation?
Is
that
how
much
we
secured
so
far,
and
so
we've
got
another
sort
of
70,
odd
65
to
raise
still.
I
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
that
that
we're
working
on
three
different
scenarios
really
and
our
ambition
is
to
try
and
aim
for
32
million.
But,
of
course,
the
context
we're
working
in
is
incredibly
complex
and
variable
so
and
the
timeline
is
very
fixed.
You
know
it's
not
like
we
can
say.
Actually,
let's
do
it
in
24
or
25
or
less
delay
it.
So
we're
going
to
have
to
be
really
responsive
to
the
circumstances
we
find
ourselves
in.
I
We
we
imagine
that
the
percentage
you
know
given
previous
given
the
research
of
cities
of
culture
elsewhere.
We
know
that
public
investment
is
really
critical
and
a
large
percentage
in
order
to
leverage
corporate
and
philanthropic
giving.
But
that's
still
not
going
to
you
know
it
still
needs
to
be
significant.
I
So
the
bop
analysis
that
you've
seen
is
based
on
20
million
a
program
of
20
million.
We're
still
striving
to
do
a
30
30
32
million
programme.
O
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
No,
I
I
think
that
appreciate
the
answer.
The
the
concern
is
obviously
we're
talking
about
the
legacy
of
leeds
2023
and
we're
talking
about
the
actual
activity
and,
what's
going
to
happen
in
leeds
2023,
and
there
is
obviously
a
concern
about
the
fact
of
where
we
want
to
set
our
ambitions
for
this
year.
O
I
appreciate
that
there
have
been
extenuated
circumstances,
but
at
the
same
time,
as
obviously
with
that
limiting
time
that
is
available
being
able
to
make
sure
that
we
can
actually
achieve
certain
things
and
actually
make
sure
that,
as
colleagues
have
said
across
this
board,
that
we
can
reach
all
those
communities,
for
example
in
my
ward,
which
is
not
one
homogenous
community,
it
is
a
variety
of
multiple
over
10
or
well
up
to
15
villages
in
which
each
village
has
its
own
individual
community,
individual
projects
and
individual
attitude
to
certain
things
in
terms
of
trying
to
what
they
want
and
how
they
want
to
be
represented.
O
And,
as
a
result,
I
just
wondered.
If,
potentially,
we
can
talk
about
more
generally
really
what
where
what
is
going
to
be
in
the
next
year
to
in
terms
of
what
is
your
plans
and
ambitions
to
have
those
plans
in
place,
and
where
do
you
see
yourself
in
the
coming
forward
months?
Thank
you
kelly.
I
I
We
want
to
launch
a
year
to
grow
sort
of
headline
sponsors
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
with
the
idea
that
in
september,
20th
on
the
23rd
of
september,
22
it'll
be
a
hundred
days
to
go
to
the
events,
and
we
will
be
able
announcing
the
full
programme.
In
terms
of
I
can't.
I
I
can't
at
this
moment
say
to
you
I
we
can
absolutely
guarantee
that
this
is
the
level
of
investment
we
will
secure.
What
I
can
say
is
that
the
work
we're
working
really
hard,
both
with
city
colleagues
and
with
our
cultural
colleagues
and
peers,
to
try
and
maximize
the
opportunity
that
this
commitment
by
the
city
council
has
given
us
to
to
generate
additional
resource
and
impact.
We
know
that
that's
already
had
a
very
significant
national
impact
in
the
fact
that
you
know
dcms
and
all
of
the
leveling
up
agenda.
I
We
are
part
of
those
conversations
and
we
can
amplify.
What
leeds
is
ask
is
you
know?
I
think
it
says
something
about
the
city
that
you
know
it
was.
It
was
me
that
was
being
asked
to
chair
a
roundtable
discussion
around
culture
and
creativity
with
the
the
arts
minister,
who
had
only
been
appointed
two
days
before
and
that
it
was
in
manchester
and
there's
lots
of
manchester
people
that
could
have
done
that.
I
So
I
think
it
says
something
about
where
the
weight
that
we're
carrying
and
the
amount
of
advocacy
we
have
achieved
today,
given
that
we're
such
a
small
and
very
recent
entity.
So,
whilst
not
being
complacent,
I
do
think
that
you
know
we
are
passionate
about
trying
to
get
that
level
of
investment
and
delivering
to
those
sorts
of
ambitions.
We
may
not
get
there
all
with
everything,
but
we'll
do
our
damn
just
to
to
try
to.
A
Thank
you
very
much
kelly,
okay,
council
burke.
Did
you
want
to
speak
as
well.
D
Frankie
chair,
it's
not
a
question
you'll
be
pleased
to
yeah.
It's
just
a
plea
really,
because
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we,
the
royal
we
are
all
guilty
of,
is
losing
stories
and
as
people
age
and
die
or
move
from
that
community.
Those
stories
are
inevitably
lost
and
I'd
like
to
see
as
part
of
the
2023
is
that
we
had
communities
capturing
those
stories.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
everyone.
Thank
you
very
much,
counselor
prior
eve,
curly
and
abigail
that
this
has
been
really
useful
conversation
and,
I
hope,
you've
taken
our
challenge
in
the
way
it's
intended
to
improve,
leads
and
the
cultural
offer.
I
think,
there's
quite
a
few
things
to
take
away.
I'm
sure
you'll
be
in
touch
with
rob,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
your
attendance
and
the
input
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
in
the
near
future.
A
I've
been
asked
by
members
for
a
a
short
comfort
break,
given
that
it's
been
a
long
item,
I'm
mind
to
do
that.
So
if
we
pause
the
meeting
for
five
minutes,
while
we
use
the
facilities
with
my
members
to
turn
off
their
microphones
at
this
stage
and
we'll
resume
shortly,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
resume
the
meeting.
Thank
you
everyone.
So
moving
on
to
gender
item
eight,
so
this
is
a
joint
inquiry
with
council
anderson's
board
as
well.
A
I'd
just
like
to
stress
that
we
we
need
to
be
very
much
focused
and
mindful
on
the
terms
of
reference
that
we
have
as
a
scrutiny
board
and
focus
on
the
resources
element
rather
than
necessarily
service
delivery,
particularly
historic
service
delivery,
and
with
that
I'm
gonna
hand
over
to
john
walmer,
you
can
assume
we've
read
the
papers,
but
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
highlight,
and
also
if
councillor
feek
wants
to
make
any
comments,
you're
also
welcome
to
make
some
comments.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
chad,
just
very
briefly,
and
really
it's
another
request
for
time.
As
a
chess
I'll
assume
that
people
read
the
report.
What
I've
tried
to
do
is
provide
that.
F
I
hope
it's
a
useful
appendix
to
present
a
baseline
position
so
that
the
the
board
are
all
on
the
same
page,
really
in
terms
of
understanding
where
we,
how
we
currently
collect
waste
and,
in
particular,
recyclable
waste
across
leads
in
terms
of
the
the
methods
where
we
take
it,
how
it's
processed,
where
it's
processed
and
the
current
outcomes
that
we
achieve
as
a
city
in
terms
of
the
recycling
tonnages
and
the
values
of
that
waste
in
terms
of
the
current
market
and
how
much
that
all
costs.
F
So
that's
really
to
give
you
a
baseline
to
work
from
the
report
itself,
sets
out
the
the
scope
of
the
inquiry
and
really
it's
to
focus
on
the
looking
forward
at
the
the
recycling
options
that
the
city
will
have
choices
to
make.
F
There's
reference
in
in
the
reference
to
the
current
national
resource
waste
strategy,
which
is
a
key
driver
in
terms
of
what
we
will
be
required
to
do
in
the
future.
F
And
that's
very
much
where
we
are
at
the
moment,
with
our
own
waste
strategy,
waiting
on
the
government's
direction
really
in
terms
of
legal
requirements
in
terms
of
waste
management,
so
very
quickly.
The
the
the
two
things
that
two
or
three
things
that
have
a
big
influence
on
our
decision
making
and
what
we
will
be
able
to
do
is
what
we'll
be
legally
required
to
collect
from
the
curbside
in
the
future.
F
So
the
current
consultation
is
on
proposals
around
food,
waste
and
glass,
so
the
devil
within
detail
of
that
in
terms
of
what
be
legally
required
and
what
councils
will
be
able
to
vary
a
local
level
from
something
that's
called:
a
technical,
environmentally
and
economically
practical
abbreviated
heap.
So
again,
we
need
some
clarification
around
that
from
government
around
what
we'll
be
able
to
do
more
locally
and
then
obviously
another
key
element
of
that
will
be
what
what
the
government
will
fund
this
strategy
sets
out.
F
Some
key
assumptions
around
that
and,
and
still
the
consultation
at
the
moment,
is
still
on
the
basis
that
the
government
will
will
fully
fund
any
additional
requirements
that
we
legally
need
to
pick
up,
and
I
think
the
third
thing
just
to
mention
as
well
one
well
I'll
shut
up
is
the
the
other
key
part
of
the
strategy
talks
around
glass
and
around
the
introduction
of
deposit
return
schemes
across
the
country.
F
A
Thank
you,
john
I'm
gonna
bring
in
councillor
firth
if
other
members
want
to
indicate
if
they
want
to
speak.
O
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
and
thank
you
for
the
introduction,
john
I
just
wanted
to.
Obviously
this
is
addressing
today
the
terms
of
reference
of
the
scrutiny
inquiry
that
obviously
I
know
our
colleagues
and
fellow
colleague,
council
anderson's
board
of
the
environment
board
have
been
looking
at
previously
and
obviously
we
want
to
establish
the
terms
of
reference
for
this
scrutiny
boards
part
of
the
inquiry.
O
As
a
result,
I
have
a
number
of
suggestions
of
particular
areas
that
I
think
should
be
in
within
our
remit
as
we
go
forward,
I
think,
first
of
all,
obviously
the
issue
is
finance.
O
Obviously
it's
certainly
investigating
the
overspend
in
the
department
to
look
into
what
the
nature
of
that
is
and
whether
the
resource
is
being
adequately
allotted
to
the
department,
from
elsewhere
in
the
council
or
from
other
pots,
to
be
able
to
ensure
that
is
still
able
to
be
deliver
its
basic
service,
the
cost
of
missing
routes,
and
in
terms
of
that,
actually
not
just
the
routes
that
are
on
the
end-of-day
report,
but
also
those
that
are
then
actually
recovered
afterwards.
That
are
in
addition
to
those
that
are
not
reported.
O
I
would
also
like
to
see
potentially
the
comparison
of
what
the
cost
would
be,
and
I
know
that
some
colleagues
may
be
aghast
by
this,
but
what
the
comparison
would
be
to
private
involvement
or
subcontracting
or
contracting
out
of
the
service
to
another
service,
I.e,
potentially
looking
at
how
other
services
within
our
city,
particularly
in
relation
to
rubbish
and
waste,
are
performed
and
whether
that
actually,
that
should
be
another
way
to
be
able
to
tackle
and
provide
that
basic
service
to
our
residents.
O
I
also
think
that
there
is
a
particular
point
to
mention
as
well,
which
is
a
mention
in
appendix
2,
which
is
in
relation
to
the
policy
established
in
2014
of
one
brown
bin
per
household
for
those
that
have
it
at
the
moment
and
I'd
like
to
ask
what
is
the
amount
of
money
that
this
council
has
made
from
selling
extra
bins
to
residents
to
now
tell
them
following
the
pandemic
or
during
the
pandemic,
that
they
then
can't
have
that
been
collected
and
how
much
money
the
council
has
made
as
a
result
of
that
and
then,
as
a
result
being
able
to
tackle
that
as
well.
O
Those
are
the
particular
areas
that
I
certainly
think
we
need
to
look
at
in
part
of
this
remit.
Thank
you
very
much,
chair.
A
Just
just
to
comment:
first,
council:
first,
the
the
terms
of
reference
were
agreed
by
council
anderson's
board,
delegating
some
of
the
responsibilities
to
our
board.
A
You
were
invited
to
the
scrutiny
board
where
they
were
agreed,
but
I
don't
think
you
managed
to
attend,
and
so
the
challenge
for
us
is
we've
been
delegated
certain
certain
role
already
I'll
need
to
work
with
my
scrutiny,
officer
and
council
anderson
about
what
elements
of
that
we
can
bring
in
in
terms
of
making
sure
we
stick
within
our
terms
of,
I
think,
that's
it's
a
really
important.
A
O
Absolutely
chair
and
and
and
please
don't
make
aspersions
about
why
I
potentially
didn't
attend
a
meeting.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
is
in
terms
of
the
situation
as
well.
I
think
the
one
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
actually
it's
about
expanding
the
terms
of
reference,
because
there
is
a
particular
reason-
that's
affecting
everybody
across
our
city-
that
if
then,
if
they're,
not
part
of
terms
of
the
reference
that
at
least
they
are
covered
in
this
inquiry,
because
they
are
absolutely
critical
to
us
going
forward.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Yeah
and,
and
so
the
the
the
challenge
has
been
making
sure
we
look
at
what
our
scrutiny
board's
role
is,
and
other
issues
are
picked
up
by
council
anderson
and
his
his
board,
which
would
then
fall
within
that
board's
remit
where
they
are
having
a
a
separate
private
meeting
with
offices
about
some
of
the
legacy
issues
which
I
understand
you've
also
been
invited
to,
but
I
think
I
think
in
terms
of
terms
of
reference.
A
Well,
I
need
to
take
that
away
and
work
with
rob
the
principal
scrutiny
officer
in
terms
of
what
that
is,
and
the
age
with
councillor
anderson.
I
hope
you
can
understand
that.
Okay,
I'm
good.
Do
you
have
another
question:
is
that
okay,
cancer?
First.
O
That's
absolutely
fine,
chad.
I
just
think
it's
just
from
the
outset,
obviously
establishing
that
we
want
to
make
this
a
robust
inquiry
from
our
perspective,
as
the
strategy
and
resources
board
to
ensure
that
the
the
taxpayers
money
that
is
being
spent
is
obviously
what
is
our
role
in
terms
of
actually
making
sure
that
is
scrutinized
and
that
we
have
the
best
performing
service.
We
can.
Thank
you
very
much.
Jeff
thank.
B
Thanks
jeff,
I'm
looking
again
at
just
in
terms
of
the
terms
of
reference
that
are
there
and
I
know
there's
there's
conversations
around
so
I
just
put
points
in
that
either
of
you
might
want
to
then
take
up
because
there's
just
some
difficulties
when
I've
then
reflected
on
them
around.
What's
there,
because
the
first
point,
for
instance,
that
comes
to
us
and
I'll
try
and
keep
to
our
scrutiny
board
as
much
as
possible,
is
around
the
costs
associated
with
offering
additional
recycling
services.
B
So
for
some
of
them
it's
a
case
that
we
want
to
remove
that
plastic
from
the
chain,
thus
not
having
to
make
70
more
plastic
to
make
a
tub
out
of
it.
It's
actually
better
to
recover
it
as
energy
in
some
instances
and
that's
why
we've
got
the
energy
recovery
facility.
So
that's
that's
one
side
in
there.
It's
not
necessarily
that
that
putting
something
in
your
green
bin
is
the
only
way
to
recycle.
B
It
there's
other
ways
we
recycle
in
the
city,
and
I
think
people
probably
don't
know
that
there's
next
to
nothing
that
goes
to
landfill,
because
we
do
that
we
recycle
things
that
are
non-recyclable
in
a
way
as
energy.
So
that's
one
point
just
to
bring
in
there,
because
I
think
that
then
makes
it
clearer
how
we
see
recycling.
Can
I
just
comment
on
that.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point,
and
one
of
the
things
I
did
when
I
looked
at
this
paper
was
one
that
if
we
could
have
invite
an
expert
in
terms
of
the
climate
impact
of
different
recycling
options,
for
example,
class
glass
versus
cardboard
versus
plastic,
and
I
think
that
would
really
help
us
help
us
interrogate
what
are
the
best
uses
of
resources.
So
in
terms
of
the
climate
emergency
which
we,
which
I
think
we
all
supported
in
full
council
declaring,
so
we
need
to
understand
what
recycling
options
have
that.
A
B
No
thank
you
and
that's
valuable,
because
I
mean
I've
got
the
book
I'll,
have
to
try
and
remember
the
title,
something
about
bananas.
I'll,
remember
the
title
later,
but
it's
got
the
carbon
impact
of
everything.
How
bad
are
bananas?
I
think
it's
cold.
People
can
look
it
up
after,
but
for
instance,
that
tells
you
such
interesting
facts
as
a
box
of
wine
is
better
than
buying
wine
by
the
bottle,
because
it
takes
more
energy
to
create
the
glass
and
blow
the
glass
than
it
does
to
recycle
the
box.
B
But
you
know
little
facts
like
that.
That
sometimes
may
seem
counter-intuitive,
but
we'll
need
to
come
in
yeah
yeah.
It
depends
whether
you
then
drink
the
whole
box
in
the
whole
evening
and
that
the
impact,
but
a
couple
of
other
comments
and
quickly
I
had
one-
was
around.
B
We've
got
it
listed
comparison
of
recycling
services
against
authorities
in
west
yorkshire,
which
could
be
argued
to
be
our
most
comparative,
but
actually
it's
probably
the
ones
that
are
seen
as
the
best
and
the
front
runners
that
we
might
want
to
compare
against
whether
they've
got
the
highest
recycling
percentages
or
whether
they're
managing
to
do
it
at
a
much
lower
cost
than
ourselves.
And
I
don't
know
how
we
how
we
identify,
who
those
are
the
ones
that
we
could
really
learn
something
from
and
share
best
practice.
B
The
last
comment
I
just
had
comes
in
line
with
yours
and
chair,
really:
we've
got
listed
representation
from
the
recycling
sector,
but
we've
got,
for
instance,
partners
across
the
city
like
zero
waste,
leads
that
help
enhance
how
we
reuse
waste
rather
than
recycle.
B
It
etc,
and
I
think
they'd
be
kind
of
people
that
be
very
useful
to
hear
from
things
like
how
we
get
into
the
clothing
bank
idea
of
well,
let's
not
send
it
for
recycling
in
the
first
place,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
external
body
might
be
good
to
put
that
that
challenge
to
us
on
whether
these
things
need
to
be
recycled.
In
the
first
place.
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
if
we
were
to
get
external
speakers
it
makes
my
in
my
head.
It
makes
sense
to
almost
have
a
information
in
governing
session
and
when
I
look
through
those
four
points,
I
think
the
question
of
our
viability.
I
think
we
could
probably
do
with
speak
in
terms
of
that
contractual
issues.
Possibly
we
could
do.
We
speak
a
more
detailed
report
from
john,
depending
on
advice
in
terms
of
how
we
how
we
do
it.
A
I
know
we
use
a
third
party
provider
to
do
the
sorting
of
our
waste
already
and
again
on
the
roof.
Again,
I
think
we
could
probably
do
more
in
information.
I
think
the
one
where
we
we
can't
do
that
much
more.
Is
the
government
way
strategy
where
we'll
probably
have
to
have
to
wait
to
an
extent,
but
I
think
the
more
I
think
about
it.
The
more
I
think
actually
having
a
information
gathering
exercise
with
some
external
speakers
next
time
would
be
quite
beneficial.
A
I
don't.
I
think
those
were
comments
more
than
questions
for
offices,
so
I'll
move
on.
If
that's
all
right,
council
cardinal
councillor
mckenna.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
mine's,
just
a
small
question
actually
on
the
appendix
ii
and
it's
recycler
material.
If
you
look
at
it
and
I'm
puzzled
at
why
it
costs
so
much
more
to
to
repos
process
of
brown
bean
waste
than
green
bean
waste.
If
you
you
can
see,
it's
almost
the
same
tonnage,
a
little
bit
more
in
brown
brown
bean
waste,
but
it
costs
637
533
to
deal
with
green
bean
waste,
but
913.
E
275
to
deal
with
brown
bean
waste
and
on
puzzle
what
a
difference
there
must
be
some
income
from
from
the
waste
eventually-
and
I
quite
like
your
point-
cherry
go
and
the
economics
of
that
you
know
and
a
lot
more
information
would
be
appreciated
on
it,
but
maybe
a
quick
answer
from
john
or
neil
or
ahmed.
What
would
be
useful
at
this
stage.
F
Yeah,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
figures
in
that
you're
referring
to
counselor,
I
think
the
looking
at
the
table,
that's
the
cost
of
processing
the
material
so
through
the
contracts
to
process
them.
I
don't
think
that
includes
the
staffing.
So
if
you
look
above
it,
then
the
table
a
that
gives
the.
F
So
that
gives
the
total
cost
of
collecting
green
bins.
At
nine
point,
I
got
quite
really
9.2
million
roughly
and
the
total
cost
of
collecting
brown
bins
at
4.1
million.
So
that's
that's
the
so.
The
overall
cost
of
providing
green
bin
services-
nine
million,
as
opposed
to
four
million
for
brown.
F
The
figures
below
are
the
actual
non-staffing
costs.
It's
the
cost
of
the
actual
contract.
So
with
green
bin
waste,
we
get
the
degree
of
income
there
which
helps
offset
the
the
cost
of
the
sorting,
whereas
with
brown
bin,
it's
just
its
haulage
and
the
processing
costs,
and-
and
that's
that's
why
it
appears
more
expensive
because
that's
the
processing
part
of
it
just
let
it
down,
but
I'll
I'll
double
check
all
that
jeff
and
if
with
finance
colleagues,
and
if
I've
got
any
of
that
wrong
I'll,
let
you
know.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
again.
I
guess
it
again
feeds
back
to
in
terms
of
the
climate
emergency.
How
much
impact
do
we
get
in
reducing
impact
on
the
climate
per
pound
we
spend,
and
so,
if
you
think
about
our
black
bin
waste,
it
all
goes
through
the
incinerator.
So
almost
nothing
goes
to
landfill
and
it
gets
reused
in
their
district
heating
scheme
and
then
the
the
ash
is
used
to
build
roads
and
so
there's
a
really
strong
process
that
we
have,
and
the
question
then
turns
to
how
does
that?
A
Compare
with
our
other
options
when
you
think
about
glass,
for
example,
commonly
we
use,
we
used
our
bottle
banks,
and
so
how
does
that
feed
in
from
a
climate
perspective,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
need
some
real
intellectual
rigor
to
our
decision
making
process?
That's
that's
my
my
take
and
if
the
board's
supportive,
I
think
that's
how
how
we
should
move
forwards,
I'm
seeing
nods
around
the
room.
So
I'm
going
to
take
that
as
affirmative.
A
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
talk
with
rob
and
counselor
anderson
about
the
terms
of
reference
just
to
bottom
out
what
what
is
in
our
remit
and
what's
going
to
be
in
council
anderson's
remit
as
per
accounts,
the
first
points
and
then
we'll
arrange
some
external
expert
to
come
and
speak
to
us
as
a
board
to
inform
our
inquiry.
A
I
think
that's
a
way
forward
which
I'm
seeing
approve.
Do
you
want
to
speak
council
anderson.
L
As
to
how
it
might
be
able
to
add
value,
I
would
say
from
the
outset
that
I
do
think
the
current
budget
allocated
to
this
area
is
not
capable
of
delivering
the
service
within
the
tight
constraints
that
they've
got
because
okay
they've
been
had
growth
of
ten
percent,
but
even
if
you
take
it
at
normal
growth,
now
being
five
percent
over
what
you
would
think,
you
do
need
more
money
to
run
the
service.
I
do
genuinely
think
you
do
need
more
money
where
you're
going
to
come
from.
L
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
just
being
honest.
I
do
think
that
there
is
more
money
needed
for
the
service.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
we
need
to
try
and
test
out
is
the
marginal
cost
of
brown
bin
service
for
garden
waste
on
its
own
and
what
the
marginal
cost
would
be
if
food
was
brought
in,
because
my
understanding
is
that
the
quality
of
the
recycling
output,
whatever
it
is,
is
degraded
as
soon
as
you
put
food
into
it.
L
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
what
the
marginal
costs
of
that
are,
so
that
we
understand
that
one,
the
other
one.
If
I
understand
correctly,
the
ref
target
for
recycling
is
being
reduced
down.
Now,
it's
quoted
in
here
as
10.
I
understood
it
was
now
down
to.
I
think
it
is
about
four
or
five
percent,
because
they're
not
going
to
be
giving
us
as
much
of
a
penalty
or
callback
now
because
of
the
adjustment.
If
that's
the
case,
can
you
look
at
the
contractual?
L
What
the
amount
is,
because
I
am
told
that
the
amount
that
they
have
to
recycle
now
has
been
reduced.
Now,
that's
the
information
that's
been
it's
been
given
to
me
and
the
other
thing
is:
what
happens
if
the
government
don't
do
it?
What
are
we
going
to
put
in
place
so
that
we
can
start
putting
some
of
this?
For
example,
we
might
need
to
fund
an
anaerobic
digester.
L
That's
going
to
take
that's
going
to
have
to
go
through
the
planning
system,
etc,
etc.
So
we
need
to
look
at
how
much
that
would
cost
to
start
that
work
now,
so
that
we
can
hit
the
ground
running.
That's
just
as
an
example
and
how
we
can
do
that,
and
that's
basically,
I
mean
the
rest
of
the
things.
Yes,
we're
working
well
together,
but
I
do
think
these
are
the
things
that
you
can
add
your
expertise
to
us.
L
What's
the
best
way
of
funding
those
things
when
we
funded
the
ref
through
getting
money
what's
the
best
way,
you
know,
should
there
be
a
west
yorkshire
facility
for
food
waste?
I
don't
know
you
know
we
need
to
look
at
what's
the
best
place,
you're
somewhere
on
the
border,
sarah
and
morley,
not
not
more
than
we
would
want
to,
but
you'd
be
able
to
take
weight,
field
and
kirklees
in
at
the
same
area.
L
A
F
Yeah,
perhaps
I'll
start,
and
maybe
john
could
could
add
to
it.
No,
I
think
I
mean
we've
got
to
be
very
sure
that
at
the
moment,
given
our
the
the
financing
resources,
there
isn't
extra
money.
There
is
actually
extra
pressure
on
the
services
as
a
result
of
of
the
pandemic,
more
people
working
from
home,
extra
packaging,
extra
tonnages
and
all
that,
but,
coupled
with
that,
we
haven't
got
as
a
well
that
goes
to
all
local
authorities.
You
know
we
haven't,
got
the
extra
fine.
F
We've
got
to
find
that
money
too,
but
you
know
we
got
to
look
at
it
in
the
conte
national
context,
on
what
the
government
have
actually
done
so
far,
they've
kind
of
kicked
the
can
down
the
road
in
terms
of
in
2019
publishing
a
strategy
which
will
be
financial
in
2023.
So
until
we
know
what
the
national
government
strategies
is
very
difficult
for
us
to
kind
of
move
forward,
we
already
do.
Actually
I
mean
I'm.
I
think
I
think
you.
I
completely
agree
with
the
boards.
F
What
you
said,
and
councillor
carlin
and
and
and
council
understanding,
is
that
we're
going
to
look
at
the
kind
of
the
practical,
the
logistical
and
the
costs.
You
know
how
we
could
do
things
differently,
whether
it's
disposing
stuff,
whether
it's
collections
or
or
changing
things
around.
But
in
terms
of
doing
something
extra
I
mean
we
already
do,
for
instance,
the
garden
waste
collection.
I
can
sit
here
and
say
in
any
forum:
we've
got
the
biggest
and
free
garden
service
anywhere
in
the
uk,
not
just
in
in
the
region
anywhere
in
the
uk.
F
We've
already
got,
you
know
we're
leading
on
things
like
you
know,
recycling
on
the
go
and
and
other
local
authorities
have
actually
taken
that
on
board
and
we're
extending
that
into
into
the
district
centers,
albeit
small,
but
these
are
very
positive
steps.
We
are
already
doing
you
know
the
small
electrical
items,
the
weed
banks,
expanding
those
as
well.
F
We've
got
700
bottle
bags
or
glass
banks
across
the
city
and
that
there
are
there's
a
lot
gold
goes
on
and
then
everything
we
do
in
terms
of
curbside
and
all
that
I
think
we
could
look
at
the
practical
sides
of
it
where
the
people
can
have.
You
know
more
bins
at
curbside,
council
anderson's
right.
You
know,
I
think
we
need
to
explore.
F
You
know
the
core
mingling,
which
is
you
know,
food
going
into
the
garden
where
they're
sorry,
the
brown
bins,
and
all
that
that's
something
we
need
to.
I
think
there
are
some
examples,
but
that's
something
we
need
to
look
and
explore
and
obviously
scrutiny
input
would
be
crucial
into
something
like
that.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
freaking.
I
think
your
point
there
about
the
cost
of
the
bottle
banks,
the
classic
example
of
where
we
need
to
look
at
the
climate
impact
of
bottles
saying
green
bins.
Obviously
it
reduces
your
yield
on
cardboard,
but
what's
the
overall
carbon
input
impact?
And
then,
if
that's
that's
the
saving
you
can,
you
can
get
rid
of
the
bottle
banks
and
do
it
in
in
the
green
bins.
But
if
it's
not
a
carbon
saving,
then
we're
gonna
have
to
carry
on
as
we
are.
I
guess:
okay,
councillor
chapman.
N
Yeah,
just
a
quick
one,
going
back
to
the
comm
england,
I
think
we
should.
We
could
also
look
whichever
scrutiny
board.
It
is
at
the
impact
of
putting
the
wet
waste
in
the
black
bins,
because
my
understanding
is
that
does
have
an
impact
in
the
incinerator
and
as
much
as
it
takes
longer
or
more
energy
to
actually
incinerate
if
it's
wet
rather
than
dry,.
A
L
N
A
Yeah,
I
totally
agree.
We
need
more
information.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
bring
a
report
to
a
future
meeting.
John
he's
not
in
so
I
think
we'll
we'll
have
that
if
that's
okay,
because
if
it's
not
if
you're
just
going
off
the
hoof,
we'll
probably
it
probably
won't
be
quite
as
useful
in
terms
of
conversation.
O
O
I
know
we
can
have
a
political
battle
over
money
and
whatever,
but
the
fact
is
is
that,
obviously,
as
a
scrutiny
board,
we
want
to
see
where
we're
going
to
be
in
the
future
and
obviously
planning
for
that,
and
I
think,
certainly
looking
at
the
picture
of
the
city
would
certainly
be
helpful
in
terms
of
actually
whether
actually
it
is
something
that
potentially
it
is
an
opening
that
we
could
potentially
be
looking
into
in
the
future
as
well.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Okay,
I
feel
like
this
is
almost
like
an
opening
in
to
an
inquiry
meeting
where
we
haven't
quite
got
into
the
detail
that
perhaps
I'd
like
to
and
I'm
sure
you
would
like
to,
but
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
interesting
meetings
going
forward
again.
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
really
careful
on
that
terms
of
reference
and
making
sure
we
scrutinize
what
we
are
meant
to
be
scrutinizing
and
leave
the
council
anderson's
board
to
scrutinise
the
other
items.
A
So
I
I
think
we'll
we'll
move
on.
I
can't
see
any
other
comments,
I'd
like
to
thank
councillor
feek
and
john
for
coming
today,
so
he
had
to
wait
so
long
to
speak.
Clearly,
last
item
was
very
very
popular
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
at
a
future
scrutiny
board.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay.
I
can
move
on
to
agenda
item
nine,
which
is
on
page
63
of
your
packs.
This
is
victoria's
coming
to
present
again.
Victoria
can
assume,
we've
read
our
papers,
but
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
highlight
before
we
go
into
questions,
feel
free.
G
Okay,
thank
you
chair,
so
this
is
covering
six
financial
years.
The
medium
term
financial
strategy
covers
five
financial
years
and
it's
the
second
year
that
we've
had
a
detailed,
medium
term
financial
strategy.
G
It
identifies
the
influences
that
affects
the
resources
that
the
council
actually
receives,
and
also
the
expenditure
that
we
incur
and
medium
term
financial
strategy
shows
that
over
the
next
five
years,
we've
got
a
budget
gap
position
of
146.5
million
and
that
we're
focusing
as
a
council
on
the
next
three
years,
which
is
actually
126.7
million.
G
The
biggest
impact
for
us
is
in
2223
next
financial
year
and
we
have
a
savings
requirement
of
65.4
million
and
there
is
coming
back
to
scrutiny
in
december,
where
we'll
look
at
that
position
and
the
proposals
around
how
to
reduce
that
budget
gap.
G
G
There's
a
lot
of
information
within
the
mtfs
and
it
does
detail
a
lot
of
the
assumptions
and
I
won't
go
into
the
detail
of
that
because
it
is
contained
in
the
in
the
actual
strategy.
However,
there
is
uncertainty
around
the
three-year
settlement.
The
fair
funding
review,
the
business
rates,
the
level
that
we
can
increase
council
tax
by
the
referendum
limits
and
what
will
be
assumed
by
central
government
on
social
care
funding.
G
So
there's
some
fundamental
things
there
that
we
are
still
waiting
for,
but
the
main
aim
of
the
strategy
is
to
make
sure
that
the
decisions
that
we
are
making
are
financially
resilient,
resilient
and
sustainable
for
the
future
just
very
quickly.
On
the
current
financial
year,
we
are
at
this
position
that
was
reported
to
exec
board
forecasting
a
400
000
overspend,
however,
that
the
majority
of
that
is
around
covid
funding,
which
is
actually
25
money.
G
But
we've
received
funding
to
to
mitigate
that
in
the
current
year,
but
obviously
we're
very
mindful
of
what
will
happen
with
around
those
pressures
carrying
on
into
future
years
and
that
hasn't
been
built
into
that
budget
gap.
At
the
moment.
We're
still
reviewing
that
and
seeing
how
the
economy
recovers,
the
demand
for
services
etc
is
impacted.
A
Thank
you
very
much
victoria
and
I
think
your
point
around
the
uncertainty
makes
it
very
difficult
for
council
cooper,
the
exec
team
and
yourself
to
plan,
because
we
don't
know
the
budget
for
next
next
year
yet,
which
is,
which
is
a
real
shame
in
terms
of
helping
us
plan.
I
just
in
terms
of
I've,
just
got
a
question
to
start
with,
which
I
just
think
would
just
help
the
board.
A
So
on
page
100
sort
of
table
4.2.6,
you
can
see
that
their
net
revenue
budget
increases
year
on
year,
but
we're
required
to
making
savings.
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
just
explain
in
late
terms
why
that
is.
I
think
it's
a
one
of
the
the
complications
of
local
government
budgets,
which
is
worth
spelling
out
for
for
us
as
a
board,
but
also
the
wider
public
listening.
G
Yeah,
the
actual
I'm
just
trying
to
get
to
the
page
that
you're
referring
to,
but
the
budget
is
we
received
in
this
current
financial
year.
We
received
release
against
the
business
rates
and
those
reliefs
were
received
as
specific
grants
which
nets
off
our
net
revenue
position.
So
it
shows
that
it's
lower
in
the
current
year.
G
However,
as
we
move
across
to
future
years,
those
release
reduce
and
we
have
to
collect
that
through
business
rates
and
that
will
then
increase
the
the
actual
position,
but
the
amount
of
income
that
we
get
stays
the
same,
but
our
cost
of
our
services
increase.
So
that's
why
we
always
have
a
good
we've
got
a
budget
gap
position,
so
the
amount
that
we've
received
through
income
is
is
just
it's
shifted
from
general
funding
from
specific
and
that's
the
reason
why.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
open
up
two
members.
If
you've
got
questions,
it
doesn't
look
like
remember.
I
can't
say
anderson
bring
him
first.
L
One
of
the
things
I've
been
asked
for
great
discussion-
and
this
goes
back
to
your
predecessor-
is
zero
base,
costing
starting
from
scratch
again
to
find
out.
Have
you
considered
that
or
if
you
have
consent?
Well,
hopefully,
you've
considered
it.
So
why
was
that
deemed
not
practical
just
to
to
go
to
zero
base?
So
that's
that
one,
the
reserves
policy
are
there.
Anything
specifically
want
to.
L
L
G
Okay,
thank
you,
so
the
first
one
on
the
xero
based
budgeting
when
we
do
the
budget
and
set
the
position
for
the
council,
we
do
look
at
the
services
in
a
lot
of
detail
so
from
starting
from
a
blank
piece
of
paper,
which
is
what
zero-based
budgeting
is.
We've
always
got
around
the
delivery
of
those
services,
so
we'll
always
have
the
the
staffing
and
and
the
requirements
around
providing
those
budgets.
So
we
can't
we
do
that
in
a
way.
G
Anyway,
every
year
we
look
at
it
look
at
how
we
can
make
the
services
more
efficient
and
effective,
but
to
deliver
a
certain
level
of
service.
You've
got
those
fixed
costs
in
effect,
and
therefore
we
do
look
at
each
year.
The
the
budget's
in
a
lot
of
detail
so
going
back
to
a
blank
piece
of
paper,
wouldn't
necessarily
get
to
the
savings
that
you
would.
You
would
expect
and
I
think,
on
the
level
of
balances.
It's
recognized
in
the
medium
term,
financial
strategy
that
we
were.
G
We
have
been
relatively
low
on
the
level
of
balances
and
reserves
that
we've
had,
but
that
was
a
an
informed
decision
that
we've
been
we've
made
over
a
number
of
years
and
that
nobody
could
have
predicted
the
covet
impact
that
we've
had.
But
we
have
recognized
now
as
a
council
that
perhaps
we
should
have
a
higher
level
of
balances
and
reserves
than
we
currently
got,
but
that
is
built
into
the
medium-term
financial
strategy
and
detailed
in
a
lot
of
detail
in
the
background
about
why
we
would
do
that.
G
There's
also
a
report
that
I
do
to
full
council
on
the
level
of
balances
that
I
feel
that's
appropriate
for
the
council
based
on
the
risk,
that's
in
the
budget,
and
that
is
quite
a
detailed
analysis
of
the
risks
in
the
budget
and
why
we
need
to
provide
for
those
it's
not
just
saying
it
should
be:
a
certain
percentage
of
net
revenue
net
revenue
budget
just
on
the
third
one,
on
the
2030
target.
I
think
that's
around.
G
P
Yeah,
I'm
just
on
that
last
one.
So
there
is
a
piece
of
work
by
the
climate
commission
on
the
amount
of
money
which
would
be
required
by
the
city
to
actually
invest
by
that
period,
and
it
runs
in
to
the
billions
in
terms
of
our
own
council
position.
I
I
it
is
what
victoria's
saying
is
really
the
wrath
around
the
prioritization
of
of
our
existing
budgets.
P
Given
we
always
have
to
work
within
at
the
limit,
but
you
can
see
quite
significant
shift
so,
for
example,
in
in
housing
still
some
familiarity,
there
moved
we've
moved
from
a
few
percent
to
almost
being
about
a
quarter
of
the
budget
going
into
energy
efficiency,
so
120
million,
I
think,
going
into
energy
efficiency.
I
think
you'll
see
the
transport
plan
which
is
going
to
the
executive
board
this
afternoon,
a
much
greater
proportion
of
the
expenditure
going
through
that.
P
I
think
there
are
also
it's
not
always
always
about
just
prioritization,
though
it's
actually
sometimes
thinking
through
good
business
cases.
So
we
have
now
the
largest
electric
fan
fleet
in
in
the
country
and
that's
based
on
the
fact
that
actually,
maintenance
costs
and
fuel
costs
are
so
much
lower.
It's
actually
a
cost-effective
thing
to
do
we're
also,
seeing
very
you
know,
significant
investment
in
our
larger
buildings
and
our
schools
in
terms
of
energy
efficiency,
which
again
has
got
payback
to
it
as
well.
A
Thank
you
victoria.
So
I
had
a
question
on
page
80:
it's
a
table
1.1
under
paragraph
1.6.1.
I
was
really
struck
by
the
the
fallen
funding
over
the
last
to
sort
of
11
years.
I
guess,
as
I
was
wondering,
if
you
could
do
it,
I'm
assuming
it's
not
real
terms.
It's
pound
amounts
rather
in
a
real
graph.
A
That's
the
initial
question.
Yes,
it
is,
and
I
guess
what
I've
been
I
wondering
if
you
could
provide
a
graph
that
included
sort
of
allowed
for
real
well
allowed
for
inflation
and
I've,
and
I
guess
the
other
two
factors
which
it
doesn't
include
is
extra
responsibilities.
A
That's
been
provided
required
by
the
council,
for
example,
some
of
the
public
health
staff
which,
which
is
an
increase
pressure,
and
I
guess
also
much
more.
It
gets
to
be
more
difficult
to
provide
anything
around
extra
pressures,
for
example
in
adult
health
care.
I
just
wondered
what
your
thoughts
are
on,
that.
G
Yeah,
we
could
have
a
look
at
that,
but
what
what
happens
is
that
we
do
we.
We
might
get
additional
funding
to
do
an
initiative,
but
then
it
gets
rolled
into
the
settlement
and
then
we
lose
the
track
of
that
funding.
So
it
is
quite
difficult
to
to
do
but
we'll
we
can
I'll,
have
a
look
at
it
and
see
what
we
can
achieve
around
that
and
to
bring
in
the
the
cost
of
inflation.
We
would
need
to
do
that
cpa
in
september,
which
is
the
normal
measure
that
we
use.
A
Yeah
that
yeah
cpr
would
be
a
appropriate
the
government's
choice
of
inflation
measure.
Isn't
it
so
yeah,
okay,.
A
You
and
then
I
also
on
them
on
the
eli,
the
early
leavers
initiative
scheme.
Have
we
got
any
analysis
on
the
overall
savings,
including
allowance
for
pension
costs,
etc
that
that's
sort
of
made.
A
Okay,
maybe
you
can
write
to
rob
yeah
and
they're
circulated.
Okay,.
A
Good
okay:
are
there
any
other
questions
yet
councilman
kenney.
E
Just
a
very
quick
one:
victoria,
the
huge
increases
in
energy
costs.
Three
four
hundred
percent
has
a
have
we
evaluated
what
effect
that
will
have
on
the
proposed
budgets.
G
We
we
thank
you
chair.
We
are
looking
at
the
moment.
The
budget
does
actually
assume
at
the
moment
five
percent
increase
in
energy
costs,
but
we
are
doing
substantial
work
on
what
that
what
the
actual
forecast
will
be.
Obviously
it's
in
the
national
press,
around
energy
costs
increasing
quite
significantly,
and
so
that
could
be
an
additional
pressure
for
us
and
but
we
are
doing
further
work
on
on
that
at
the
moment.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
can't
see
any
other
members
indicating
so
thank
you
very
much
victoria.
It's
really
thorough
report,
which
is
really
helpful
and
we'll
move
on
thanks
for
your
time.
Okay,
thanks.
Okay,
I
think
we're
gonna
got
tim
here
for
the
next
item.
A
Just
just
if
you
assume
we've
read
the
report
and
highlighting
a
thing,
I'm
I'm
keen
just
to
also
for
you
to
highlight,
if
there's,
how
sort
of
the
overall
risk
that
not
the
corporate
stuff
is
managed,
so
I
think,
as
a
as
as
a
council
as
a
screening
board
we're
looking
at
the
corporates,
but
we
should
also
make
sure
corporately
where
we
have
a
strategy
for
managing
all
the
sort
of
directorate
risks
as
well.
So
if
you
just
comment
on
that
as
well,
please
do
when
you
go
through.
Q
Good
afternoon
tim
rollick
from
intelligence
and
policy
service,
so
this
is
the
annual
risk
report.
The
report
focuses
on
the
strategic
risks
facing
the
council.
Those
are
the
big
things
that,
if
they
did
happen,
would
seriously
affect
our
ability
to
meet
the
best
council
plan,
but
as
councilor
scopes
mentioned,
the
the
corporate
risk
register
is
underpinned
by
risks
at
directorate
level.
Each
directorate
has
its
own
specific
risk
register
and
there's
also
service
level
risks,
and
those
are
things
like
those
for
programs
and
major
projects.
Q
So
this
isn't
the
corporate
risk
register
isn't
the
be
all
and
end
all.
It
sits
at
the
top
of
a
pyramid
of
risks.
The
the
corporate
directorate
risks
are
reviewed
and
updated
four
times
per
year.
Those
risks
go
through
the
the
respective
directorate
management
team
onto
corporate
leadership
team
and
then
on
to
executive
boarding.
The
annual
report
and
this
year's
annual
report
went
to
the
board
in
july.
Q
It's
also
worth
mentioning
that
this
year
we
updated
the
risk
management
policy
and
strategy,
which
is
our
framework
for
managing
risks,
and
within
that
we
we
included
clear
details
about
how
to
escalate
risks
from
service
level
to
directorate
level
than
up
to
corporate
if
needs
be,
and
that
policy
and
strategy
were
endorsed
by
executive
board
back
in
july,
when
I
attended
the
board,
I
made
an
offer
for
risk
management,
refresher
training
to
board
members,
should
any
people
require
it,
and
the
offer
is
also
extended
to
members
of
this
board.
A
C
Mine
might
be
a
silly
question,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
you
anyway,
with
regards
to
what
are
the
resources
implication
and
it's
and
my
question
is
what
is
in
place
if
it
does
so,
I'm
talking
about
point
number,
eight
on
page
181
should
any
of
the
corporate
risk
include
in
this
report
arise.
There
would
be
significant
resources
implication
for
the
council.
So
what
is
in
place
to
address
if
they
do
arise
and
then
might
be?
C
So
that's
that
one
and
this
number
five
on
one
eight
eighty,
I
just
asked
the
question:
why.
Q
Right
I'll
answer
the
the
first
question,
and
that
was
a
good
question
to
ask
what
what
would
happen
if
these
risks
arose
and
obviously
it
depends
on
the
the
nature
of
the
risk
as
to
what
the
implication
would
be
on
the
resources,
whether
it
be
a
financial
hit
or
a
hit
around
staffing.
So,
for
example,
with
the
coronavirus
risk
impacted
on
both
there's
also
reputational
impact
as
well,
so
how
citizens
and
communities
perceive
the
council
and
how
we
respond
to
risks.
Q
So
the
emphasis
there
really
is
in
how
we
prevent
the
risks
from
happening
in
the
first
place,
and
so
each
of
the
risks
there's
a
series
of
existing
controls
in
place
to
either
manage
that
risk
to
stop
it
from
happening
or
to
deal
with
the
risk
should
it
occur
and
for
the
the
big
risks
in
this
report.
Each
of
those
risks
has
got
an
assurance
report
that
outlines
high
level.
Q
You
know
what
those
controls
in
place
are,
but
we
appreciate
the
the
situation
keeps
moving
quite
rapidly
and
we
can't
sit
on
our
laurels
and
we've
always
got
work
to
do
in
managing
these
risks,
and
so
each
of
the
risks
has
a
series
of
actions
that
we
need
to
do
to
carry
on
managing
that
risk,
whether
it's
regular
reporting
or
staff
training,
so
through
a
combination
of
anticipating
what
could
happen,
putting
resources
into
those
controls
and
having
plans
in
place
to
deal
with
the
risks
that
helps.
Q
You
know
limit
the
impact
on
resources
there.
In
terms
of
the
second
question,.
C
Q
When
we
updated
the
risk
management
policy
and
strategy,
we
did
a
quality
impact
assessment
for
that
which
kind
of
looked
at
what
the
implications
of
changing
the
strategy
would
have
been
in
terms
of
this
report.
It
is
for
information,
but,
however,
should
any
of
the
risks
arise.
It
could
impact
across
the
city
and
its
communities.
So
the
fact
that
we've
got
the
report
there
and
it
outlines
what
we're
doing
to
mitigate
the
risks,
hopefully
minimizes
the
impact
across
the
city.
A
Would
would
you
be
able
to
share
the
initial
equalities
impact
assessment
with
the
board.
Q
That's
right
for
the
we
did
the
the
impact
assessment
for
the
for
the
strategy
and
the
the
policy.
I
can
share
that
with
the
board
and
certainly
send
that
one
that.
A
O
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
I
just
think
it's
worth
noting.
I
do
think
that
it's
a
disappointment.
I
appreciate
there
are
other
meetings
on,
but
that
senior
colleagues
weren't
able
to
stay
at
the
meeting,
and
maybe
that's
something
for
scheduling
and
that's
not
to
make
a
point.
It's
just
simply
the
fact
of
of
having
them
here,
as
we
are
a
scrutiny
board,
and
we
want
him
on
any
issue.
That
comes
up.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
mention.
O
Obviously,
in
november
last
year
it
was
reported
in
the
press
and
also
we
know
through
various
reports
that
grant
thornton
placed
that
our
council
unfortunately
was
ill
prepared
to
tackle
the
monster
that
is
covered
and
obviously,
given
that
we
have
one
of
the
lowest
general
fund
reserves
of
the
core
cities.
Q
Yes
and
again,
I'm
happy
to
to
answer
that
question
when
the
report
went
to
executive
board
in
july.
It
was
the
snapshot
of
the
risks
at
the
year
end
back
in
april,
and
since
then,
we've
we've
obviously
regularly
reviewed
and
updated
the
risks,
and
certainly
the
the
medium-term
finance
risk
that
you
can
see
on
that.
Corporate
register
has
increased
since
then
largely
due
to
the
the
reasons
that
victoria
has
outlined.
Q
Also
you'll
notice
that
the
in-year
budget
risk
in
this
report
is
actually
rated
as
as
medium
and,
obviously
when
you
set
the
budget
at
the
start
of
the
year,
you
set
a
balanced
budget,
but
we're
aware
of
a
pattern
where
every
single
year,
the
budget
risk
increases
during
the
year
due
to
these
various
overspends
and
unforeseen
circumstances,
and
then,
as
the
the
finance
services
tie
the
risk
up
at
the
end
of
the
year,
that's
when
it
starts
to
decrease
as
they
as
they
as
they
work
their
way
through
how
to
deal
with
the
overspend.
Q
So
when
the
risks
are
next
updated
next
month,
it's
quite
likely
that
that
risk
on
in-year
budget
will
will
have
increased
due
to
the
reasons
that
have
been
outlined
in
the
previous
report.
A
Q
That's
right
so
when
we
went
to
to
corporate
leadership
team
in
august
that
risk
increased
and
if
I
just
bring
up
the
risk
register
from
from
august
medium-term
budget
is
now
rated
in
the
red
zone
with
a
probability
of
three
impact
of
five
and
again,
that's
largely
down
to
the
reasons
that
were
outlined
in
the
previous
report
on
on
finances.
Q
O
Thank
you
chair
the
reason
I
I
mentioned
that
point
earlier
about
colleagues,
not
being
here,
it's
not
a
political
point.
It's
just
simply
the
fact
that
my
follow-up
was
to
ask
about
the
covert
reserve
as
well,
because
of
the
simple
fact
that
we
don't
obviously
know
what's
going
to
be
coming
ahead
of
us,
we
would
strongly
hope
the
government
does
not
need
to
take
the
stringent
actions
it
had
to
take
before,
but
certainly
in
relation
to
whether
that
was
adequate
in
terms
of
the
situation
in
preparing
for
for
what
was
to
come.
O
Obviously,
I
appreciate
that
it
also
includes
around
about
600
000
pounds,
including
520,
for
free
school
meals,
but
that
was
just
the
general
point
was
actually
looking
and
assessing
whether
actually
we
are
properly
prepared.
Should
there
be
any
further
problems
in
the
future,
and
I
wanted
to
explore
that
in
in
more
detail.
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
Q
Really
think
that's
something
we
can.
We
can
pick
up
with
victoria,
because
she'll
have
the
the
answers
to
that
question
because
it
was
about
the
reserve.
Wasn't
it
and
again,
the
coveted
risk
that
we
have
on
our
corporate
risk
register
incorporates
financial
aspects
of
it
as
well,
so
that
will
get
picked
up
as
part
of
that
and
again
those
risks
are
due
to
be
updated
next
month,
but
I
can
get
a
response
from
from
victoria
for
you
on
that.
A
Thank
you.
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
I
don't
think
any
council
was
really
ready
for
covid,
neither
any
country
as
much
as
it
should
be
as
a
nation.
My
comment
is
just
again
on
that
page.
I
I
think
my
personal
view
is
climate
change.
Risk
should
be
probable,
not
possible.
A
Sadly,
I
think
it's
it's
happening
around
us
and
we
can
see
it
around
the
world
rather
than
it
might
happen
in
the
in
the
future.
But
that's
a
comment
more
than
a
question
for
future
updates.
A
Okay,
other
other
questions,
no
okay.
So,
let's
move
on
to
the
work
program.
So
the
first
first
point
I
just
picking
up
on
what
councillor
firth
was
just
talking
about
in
terms
of
attendance,
so
my
understanding
is
this
cabinet
meeting
at
one.
I
guess
one
option
for
us
would
be
to
start
earlier.
A
I
don't
know
what
members
think
about
that
or
I'm
reluctant
to
reduce
our
items,
because
I
feel,
like
we've,
got
a
lot
of
important
work
to
do
as
a
scrutiny
board.
So
I'll
start
with
that
as
a
suggestion,
we're
also
open
to
ideas
for
future
topics.
Okay,
bringing
cancer
firth.
O
O
But
it
is
for
general
discussion,
but
I
do
think
that
certainly
given
that
we
only
have
one
a
certain
number
of
meetings
a
year
that
really
we
are
holding
a
public
meeting
rather
than
a
private
meeting
in
the
cabinet
and
therefore,
as
a
result,
potentially
I
am
not
making
a
point
about
colleagues
have
had
to
leave.
I
understand
that,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
in
the
future,
if
we
can
schedule
it
so
that
we
can
have
them
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting,
that
would
be
appreciated.
Thank
you.
M
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
I
could
perhaps
do
some
background
work
just
to
check
when
our
meeting
clashes
with
cabinet
as
a
staff
at
ten,
and
if
that
is
the
case,
and
I
could
put
a
proposal
around
via
you
chair
that
that
suggested
a
different
start
time,
potentially
I'm
not
sure
it'll
be
every
month
so
it'll
just
it
might
be
worth
just
me,
checking
that
yeah.
If
that
helps.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
robin.
I
think
I
think
that
the
point
around
the
culture
item
probably
took
longer
than
we
expected,
and
I
think
we
had
a
really
valuable
debate
actually
and
we
do
need
to
put
the
pressure
on
the
challenge.
That's
our
job.
Okay,
councillor,
mckenna,.
E
Just
following
up
on
sam's
point:
I'd
be
happy
as
for
us
to
start
at
10
o'clock,
the
lots
green
boards
do
and
in
fact
this
used
to
meet
at
10
o'clock.
It
could
be
that
we
don't
need
a
half
an
hour
for
a
pre
meeting.
E
Maybe
you
could
look
at
a
chair
and
suggested
10
15
minutes
beforehand,
but
what
I
noticed
that
one
we
had
mentioned
on
the
cultural
item
that
it
would
come
back
to
us
in
december
and
given
what
sam
says,
I
know
there's
no
meeting
in
september
and
maybe
there
should
be
a
meeting
in
december.
I
wouldn't
fancy
having
it
on
christmas
eve,
which
would
be
the
designated
day,
but
I
wouldn't
mind
us
having
one
the
week
before
that
you
know.
E
If
we're
that
busy,
then
I
think
we
should
look
at
again
december
and
perhaps
suggest
a
date
and
I'm
sorry
for
members.
It's
we've
all
got
busy
diaries,
including
myself,
but
we
have
a
job
to
do.
Haven't
we,
sir.
C
Just
say
I
agree
with
councillor
mckenna:
you
know,
we've
got
the
culture
coming
back
and
we've
asked
for
other
things.
So
if
we
could
schedule
one
in
december,
then
the
the
agenda
will
be
so
every
sometime
because
depends
what
come
up.
You
know.
Obviously
the
2023
took
a
lot
which
we
need.
You
know.
C
So
if
we
could,
even
if
it's
just
one
or
two
item
in
december,
it
don't
have
to
be
a
full
long
meeting
and
also
I
I
I
agree
if
we
could
start
at
10
o'clock
and
just
like
me
a
quarter
to
quarter
to
for
15
minutes
instead
of
that
half
an
hour
because
we
wasted
20
minutes
this
morning.
You
know
pre-meeting,
so
15
minutes
pre-meeting.
C
You
know
obviously
sometime
we,
we
might
say
15
minutes
sometime,
it's
a.
We
got
a
lot
more
to
to
ask
or
say,
but
if
we
schedule
it
for
15
minutes
and
then
stop
going
when
it
comes
to
pre-meeting
shut
him
up.
A
Thank
you
for
for
for
comments,
I'll,
take
those
away
and
and
check.
We
have
got
a
a
private
members
meeting
in
december
about
the
the
budget,
which
again
will
come
to
a
public
meeting
in
december,
but
I'll
look
at
that
with
with
rob
councillor
first,
you
want
to
come
on
again.
O
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
further
to
that.
I
just
want
to
us:
could
you
establish
rob
as
the
clerk
or
otherwise
the
how
we're
gonna
progress
with
the
environmental
scrutiny
that
we've
just
talked
about
when
certain
to
waste
strategy
and
how
that's
gonna
go
forward.
A
Yeah,
so
I'll
ask
rob
to
circulate
something
later.
That
is,
it
is
in
the
agenda
for
november.
If
you
look
at
the
work
pronoun,
but
we
do
need
to
work
there
and
I
think,
to
an
extent
there
might
be
a
little
bit
of
a
movable
face
depending
on
where
we
get
to
so.
For
example,
I
imagine
we'll
look
at
a
report
from
john
walmer
on
the
earth.
A
I
can
imagine
a
scenario
where
we
want
further
information
after
that
report
and
him
to
come
back
again.
I
feel,
like
that's
very
realistic
scenario,
but
I
don't
know
for
sure,
so
I
think
putting
it
all
in
now
when
we
don't
know,
but
there's
definitely
space
for
that,
and
I
also
think
if
we
have
an
information
gathering
exercise
in
november,
like
we've
discussed,
I
can't
imagine
that
won't
generate
future
work
as
well.
So.
O
Thank
you,
chair
and
sorry
to
come
in
with
another
question.
The
other
thing
that
we
did
know,
I
think
well,
it's
about
a
I've
used
that
word
a
lot
today,
robust
scrutiny
and
the
next
question
was
going
to
be.
Obviously
today,
I'm
sure
colleagues
noticed
there
was
unfortunately
a
number
of
instances
where
colleagues,
in
relation
to
the
culture
item
didn't
have
specific
information
available
at
the
time
which
is
concerning,
but
understandable,
given
the
circumstances,
but
really
we
should
have
more
information
when
it
comes
to
scrutiny
board
hearing.
O
Is
that
something
that
certainly
we
can
make
sure
that
that
information?
Well,
basically,
how
we're
going
to
get
that
information?
Do
you
think
making
sure
that
we
can
get
that
in
the
future
and
ensure
that
we
don't
have
a
meeting
whereby
we're
asking
serious
questions
and
we
don't
have
gaps
in
the
information
provided?
Thank
you,
chair.
M
Yep,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chet.
I
mean
really
it's
a
process.
It's
in
the
drafting
process.
Isn't
it
so
perhaps
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
in
focus
on
how
they're
drafting
it
and
then
to
the
chairs
brief?
Perhaps
we
could
seek
to
address
any
issues
like
like
council.
First
reference,
I
think
they'll
always
be
to
some
extent
a
requirement
for
me
to
go
chasing
report
authors
to
provide
additional
information,
but
I
do
take
the
point
there.
Council
further.
A
Yes,
so
so
I
I
think,
there's
a
balance,
I
think
so
myself
and
rob
need
to
do
more
at
challenging
the
initial
reports,
but
I
think
there's
also.
There
is
a
point
around
getting
the
right
information
and
so
to
an
extent
we
find
out
what
information
we
need
in
this
and
so
inviting
them
back
so
bringing
back,
for
example,
2023
is
now
clearly
something
I
think
we
should
do
whereas
four
hours
ago,
I
might
not
thought
it
was
definitely
needed.
Let's
get
sharon.
Do
you
want
to
come
back.
C
Yes,
and
with
regards
to
2023,
we
I
mean-
obviously
they
didn't
have
answers
to
quite
a
few
things.
They
are
working
on
it
and
I
was
just
suggesting
that
maybe
they
come
back
in
february
with
all
the
answers
we
need
to
give
them
time,
because
you
know
they're
under
pressure
now
anyway,
because
2023
will
be
here
within
a
blink.
O
Well,
I
think
we
want
to
reiterate
that
it
will
be
here
in
a
blink,
and
the
only
worry
I've
got
is
that
february
might
be
a
little
bit
too
late.
That's
the
only
concern
and-
and
the
only
reason
I
say
that
is
because
of
the
fact
that,
for
example,
when
I
ask
specific
questions
about
the
23
projects
that
were
commissioned
the
six
schools
that
were
involved,
that
information
was
not
even
in
the
report,
it
wasn't
even
known
to
the
staff.
I
appreciate
they've
got
a
big
remit.
O
I
appreciate
that,
but
that
information
wasn't
ready
available
and
also
the
other
question
was.
I
was
concerned
about
the
data.
They
used
fantastic
to
hear
that
people
want
to
engage
in
2023
as
a
year,
but
I
was
concerned
there
wasn't
much
information.
I
should
have
actually
asked
it
about
what
that
survey
actually
was
how
many
people
were
actually
interviewed
and
actually
looking
into
more
detail,
and
I
think
certainly
it's
something
that
I
think
they
have
realized
and
hopefully,
when
they
come
back
again,
they
will
provide
further
information.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Yeah
I'll
tell
your
point
about
having
him
having
a
plan
with
sufficient
time
to
implement
before
the
start
of
before
1
january
2023,
and
I
think
that's
that
is
the
jan
engineers
real
challenging
that
council
chapman
and
then
councillor
carlile.
N
B
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
come
back
now.
I
can't
remember
if
it's
this
board
or
the
previous
board
I
used
to
sit
on,
but
we
did
have
quite
a
discussion
about.
I
think
some
of
those
figures
that
were
there,
so
it
might
be
worth
looking
at
what's
been
scrutinized
before,
because
I
know
obviously
you're
new
to
the
board
this
year
can't
remember
who's
this
one
or
inclusive
growth.
I
was
going
to
say:
is
it
increasing.
O
B
Inclusive
growth,
who
scrutinized,
I
think
the
remit
and
the
reason
for
2023
and
what
it's
there
to
do,
but
I
certainly
remember
looking
at
in-depth,
with
now,
baroness
blake
and
and
including
mcpherson
as
service
leader
at
the
time.
So
it
depends
where,
where
we
are
and
what's
been
answered
previously,.
O
Thank
you,
chad.
No,
I
think,
there's
just
a
general
point.
I
think
there
was
a
discussion
raised
at
the
last
meeting.
I
can't
remember,
on
which
topic,
oh
it
was,
I
think,
was
to
do
with
elections
or
another
matter
that
there
was
a
major
issue
that
also
we
didn't
have
that
information.
I
appreciate
that
also
the
fact
that
the
arena
of
this
meeting
is
we're
doing
so
much
at
the
moment
and
I'm
therefore
not
putting
pressure
on
the
chair
or
the
clerk.
O
But
what
I
am
saying
is
that
I
think
that
certainly
the
robustness
of
the
information
that
comes
back
I'm
using
that
word
a
lot.
The
amount
of
information
that
these
that
individuals
are
able
to
come
to
this
board
with
is
a
little
bit
concerning
for
the
future,
and
I
hope
we
can
improve
that
in
some
way.
N
A
And
I
think
yeah
and
I
think
it's
it's
changed,
the
sort
of
who
scrutinizes
it
and
the
the
real
reality
is.
If
they've
done
it
before
and
been
asked
the
questions,
they
should
have
had
the
answers,
and
that
sounds
harsh.
It
doesn't
mean
to
be
harsh,
it's
just
factual,
so,
let's,
let's
just
carry
on
with
what
our
responsibility
is
as
a
board
and
it
is
in
our
remit
and
therefore
is
our
job
to
scrutinise
that
decision.
O
I'm
sorry
to
come
in
again,
but
I
just
went
one
well,
I'm
trying
to
hit
half
past
one
you
see,
and
now
I'm
joking.
The
the
other
question
was
to
ask
whether
I
raised
that
last
minute
meeting
sorry
where
the
devolution
could
be
put
on
the
agenda
at
some
point,
and
I
appreciate
we
are
still
very
early
into
having
a
mayoral
authority,
but
certainly
to
look
at
where
we
are,
especially
in
a
few
months
in
certainly
is
where
I
would
like
to
go
from
there.
Thank
you,
joe.
M
You
chair
yeah.
Yes,
that's
in
my
notes.
It's
one
to
take
forward.
We
have
got
well.
I
say
this
now
we
did
have
space
towards
the
february
march
time
of
the
year,
so
I
was
thinking
for
then,
but
obviously
I'd
be
guided
by
members
views
on
that
I
mean
also
the
longer
you
leave
it
the
more
time
you
have
for
the
mural
to
be
in
place,
but
yeah
I'd,
take
feedback
on
that.
C
A
O
I
appreciate
that
number
of
these
minutes
the
pre-meeting,
might
have
lasted
much
longer.
Had
I
been
available
to
go
through
these
details,
there
is
one
final
point,
which
is
the
fact
that
when
we
initially
assessed
the
whether
the
plan
for
the
west
yorkshire
mayor
as
a
board
and
as
a
wider
inquiry
that
was
chaired
by
council
harlan,
I
believe,
would
it
be
incumbent
on
us
to
invite
the
chairs
of
the
individual
committees
that
were
also
involved
in
that
discussion.
To
also
be
part
of
the
scrutiny
of
in
relation
to
devolution.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
at
the
end
of
our
meeting
good
says,
councilman
good.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
everyone's
input.
Today,
I'm
sorry,
it's
been
a
long
meeting.
I
feel
like
it
needed
to
be
today
and
I'll
go
away
with
rob
and
talk
about
whether
we
need
an
extra
meeting
in
december,
in
addition
to
the
one
about
the
finances.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
everyone
and
see
you
next
time.