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Core Unit Launch Pod Sessions - Session #6: MakerDAO Shop Core Unit
For the 6th CULPS we’re be joined by Coulter Mulligan (@coulter) and Mike Porcaro (@MakerMikeP), who’ll be talking about their proposed Core Unit (currently in Formal Submission) MDS-001: MakerDAO Shop.
Agenda: https://forum.makerdao.com/t/core-unit-launch-pod-sessions-session-6-makerdao-shop-core-unit/7456
Governance Forum:
https://forum.makerdao.com/
Disclaimer: These calls and the summaries are produced and hosted by MakerDAO community members. Content produced by the community are not the statements or views of the Maker Foundation.
A
All
right,
hi,
everyone
welcome
to
the
core
unit,
launch
pod
session
number
six.
I
believe
so
today
we
have
the
make
pedal
shop
so
mds001
and
I'm
here,
joined
by
a
bunch
of
people
interested
in
this
proposal
and
from
the
well
the
the
two
guys
proposing
this
are
called
mulligan
and
mike
porcato
and
yeah.
They
will
be
explaining
a
bit
what
they
are
trying
to
achieve
and
and
hopefully
answering
all
our
questions
mike
culter
thanks
for
being
with
us.
B
B
Now
it's
really
more
just
sort
of
about
kind
of
current
status
of
the
project,
and
so
that
really
goes
across
all
marketing
channels
right,
including
partnering,
with
coulter
and
our
awesome
events,
team
and
a
bunch
of
other
marketing
experts
to
make
sure
that
people
have
are
aware
of
us
when
we're
at
events,
including
swag,
which
is
what
we're
here
for
today
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
culture
who's.
Actually,
like
the
swag
expert,
I'm
I'm
here
to
be
to
to
provide
assistance,
but
he's
the
real
expert
like.
C
C
C
You
know
one
of
the
most
popular
I'm
not
stable,
but
my
die
is
t-shirt,
seems
to
come
across
our
twitter
almost
every
single
day
or
somebody
asking
about
it,
and
we
also
work
with
a
bunch
of
partners
or
potential
partners
or
influential
type
people
that
might
benefit
from
from
having
swagger
or
enjoy
having
it
to
show
it
on
their
channels
in
some
capacity.
So
we
wanted
to
put
this
together.
B
While
culture's
pulling
that
up,
maybe
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
swag
like
so
why
merchandise
is
important
kind
of
it's.
You
know,
in
addition
to
it's
just
fun,
to
have
a
cool
t-shirt.
That's
actually
a
little
bit
of
a
trojan
horse
right
people
get
excited
about
the
stickers,
the
t-shirts,
the
hats
whatever
it
is.
We
may
give
you
right
we're
reading
the
comments
baby
onesies.
Maybe
if
that's
what
people
really
want,
but
the
idea
here
being
that
it's
a
phenomenal
way
to
drive
brand
awareness,
it's
a
phenomenal
way
to
drive
engagement.
B
So
people
use
this
as
a
way
to
showcase
support
for
a
project
and
even
as
gifts
to
people
who
are
fans
of
the
project
right.
It's
just
a
nice
way
to
show
support,
it's
proven
strategically
to
help
drive
engagement,
and
so
is
this
our
number
one
marketing
lever?
No,
that's
why
we
as
foundation
members
didn't
set
one
up
yet,
but
it
is
a
slam.
Dunk,
it's
easy
and
we
know
there's
a
ton
of
opportunity
out
there,
because
people
are
hungry
for
it
and
it
does
add
value
beyond.
B
C
Down
is
my
screen,
showing
as
it
should
be,
yep
cool
all
right.
So
the
background
we
just
mentioned:
we've
been
known
for
having
great
swag
at
events
in
the
past.
Our
booths
are
usually
flooded
on
day,
one
to
the
point
where
we're
usually
the
first
project
to
run
out
of
swag
because
everybody
comes
after
it
first,
so
kind
of
expanding
it
on
that,
so
people
have
been
asking
for
the
online
shop
as
mentioned
now.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
give
that
to
them.
C
D
B
C
So
I
mean
mike
touched
on
this
a
little
bit,
but
the
point
being.
What
are
we
trying
to
get
out
of
the
shop?
We
want
a
dedicated
official
destination
where
the
community
could
purchase
swag
and
showcase
their
support
of
maker
and
die,
and
thereby
improving
awareness
and
engagement.
So,
if
they're
wearing
an
event,
if
they're
wearing
it
on
the
street,
you
know
little
by
little
that
increases
that
awareness
and
engagement.
C
It
would
be
operated
by
myself
and
mike,
but
absolutely-
and
this
is
critical-
we
want
participation,
suggestions,
feedback
from
the
community
as
much
as
possible.
I
mean
in
terms
of
designs.
In
terms
of
I
mean
it
runs
the
game,
we'll
we're
open
to
hearing
any
sort
of
improvement.
We
can
get
added
to
to
make
this
as
beneficial
as
possible,
and
then
we
will
the
shop,
will
cover
costs
and
and
hopefully
generate
profit
for
protocol.
C
So
with
that
said,
we
have
sort
of
a
we've,
been
testing
a
proof
of
concept.
Internally,
I've
just
created
a
basic
shop
with
logos
and
on
a
few
items
just
to
make
sure
it
all
works.
We
are
asking
to
use
the
the
shop.makerdio.com
domain
and
then
basically
part
of
this
strategy,
like
I
said,
was
to
to
gotta
bulletproof
the
the
concept
make
sure
that
all
different
types
of
credit
cards
locations.
C
C
Garbage
products
there
we
go,
they
actually
they
feel
good.
They
wear
well
and,
and
the
logo
doesn't
rub
off
in
the
wash
after
after
your
first
wash
and
then
so.
With
that
phase
two,
you
know
shortly
after
a
a
a
public
launch,
we
started
broadening
out
products
that
put
sandals
in
there.
Should
that
really
kind
of
shows
the
the
scope
we
can
offer,
but
going
bigger
with
promotion
so
discount
codes,
a
public
announcement
via
the
blog.
C
Or
give
influencers
vip
codes
or
something
like
that
driving
them
to
the
shop
and
sort
of
you
know
increasing
the
the
awareness
that
way
and
then
getting
into
this
is
really
kind
of
where
we'd
like
it
to
go.
The
community-led
designs,
limited
edition
products,
bulk
orders
for
maker
event.
So
should
you
know
to
make
your
community
be
having
a
booth
or
or
a
major
event
at
devcon,
or
something
like
that?
You
know
being
able
to
to
give
out
t-shirts
to
everybody
in
the
audience
or
something
like
that.
C
You
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
supply
that
and
then
any
sort
of
community
promotions
or
contest
prizing
that
is
taking
place
via
the
community
could
obviously
tap
us
for
those
needs,
and
then
there's
also,
we
sort
of
explore
this
idea
of
a
charitable
arm
as
well.
So
maybe,
like
a
one-off
call,
it
a
t-shirt.
B
This
awareness
drive
this
engagement
and
get
more
people
in
more
merch
which,
again,
when
you're,
comparing
it
against
smart
contract
developers,
it
feels
maybe
a
little
less
valuable,
but
what
I
will
tell
you
is
20,
plus
years
in
marketing
in
ga,
as
I
said
before,
a
broken
record
like
engagement,
where
people
are
really
taking
it
to
heart
and
making
it
a
part
of
their
everyday
life,
reaps
benefits
and
rewards
in
the
term.
You
know
in
sense
of
like
more
participation
in
the
project,
a
little
willingness
to
accept
bumps.
B
So
if
their
die
experience
isn't
great
or
that
you
know
they're
still
they're
ride
or
die
because
they're
having
a
good
time,
they're
feeling
comfortable
repping
you
as
a
personal
billboard,
that's
a
big
deal
and
it's
and
it's
the
kind
of
engagement
lots
of
organizations
we'd
like
to
provide
that
for
you
guys
for
us.
I
guess.
C
And
then
I
think
this
is,
I
think,
there's
a
final
slide
just
budget,
so
we're
not
asking
for
any
budget
from
the
dow,
but
should
there
be
a
need
or
want
for
like
a
specialized
product,
we
use
gucci
bathrobes
with
a
die
logo
on
it
or
something
like
that.
That
will
be
that's
currently
outside
of
the
scope.
That
would
require
additional
budget.
Should
you
know
you
guys
want
a
hundred.
A
C
Rubs
for
the
next
devcon,
or
something
like
that,
but
the
the
profits
would
be
if
it
is
to
share
with
the
protocol
and
then
at
the
moment
I
don't
think
it's
been
decided
where
the
shop
would
be
sending
the
protocols
profits
at
the
moment.
So
that
needs
to
be
sorted
as
well,
and
I
think
that
is
yeah.
So
it's
next
finalizing
aside
designs
setting
the
shop,
live
and
get
and
getting
you
guys,
testing
and
sharing
it
and
and
providing
feedback
for
your
experience.
B
I
think
the
the
one
last
thing
I
would
say
is
this
really
is
predicated
like,
so
we
don't
really
need
to
participate
with
the
protocol.
We
could
set
up
our
own
shop,
but
if
we
can
get
shop.makerdow.com
and
partner
with
you
guys,
it's
a
nice
web
share
and
it
can
be
official
branded.
I
think
that
that
is
a
big
deal
for
the
customers
that
one
of
I
you
know.
A
B
D
D
I
guess
you
guys
figure
out
where
the
initial
money
comes
from.
I
do
think
you
guys
should
invest
it
a
little
bit.
You
know
maybe
a
portion
of
the
profits.
Five
ten
percent
of
them
goes
into
investing
back
to
you.
I
think
you
know
the
smart,
smart
contracts.
Team
is
doing
something
it
doesn't
have
to
be,
quite
as
like
you
know
robust
as
like
a
thousand
maker
each
percent,
but
I
think
it
will
be.
D
D
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
you
modestly
didn't
want
to
propose
it
yourself,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
everyone
incentivized.
I
know
you
guys
still
remain
incentivized
going
forward,
but
let's
say
you
grow
the
team.
There's
more
people
right,
you'll
want
them
to
feel
part
of
it
and
it's
a
trickle
of
maker
to
them.
Then
they'll
probably
want
to
stick
around
a
little
bit.
A
Culture
mike,
I
have
like
a
question:
let's
say
that
I
don't
know:
nadia's
team
is
organizing
some
kind
of
event.
I
don't
know
colombia
next
year
or
this
year,
and
and
they
need
a
hundred
t-shirts
or
something
would
that
be
like
the
the
retail
price,
or
would
they
have
access
to
a
special
price
or
we'll
see
it
on
a
case
by
case
basis?
How
does.
B
Was
like
we'd
be
able
to
give
we?
What
we
would
do
in
that
case
is
let
her
know
what
our
cost
is
and
we
would
negotiate
yeah.
We
would
probably
we
would
create
sort
of
a
wholesale
price
which,
but
we'd
be
transparent,
so
she'd
see
what
it
costs
us
and
using
this
example
we
would
add.
You
know
a
small
amount
for
profit
that
would
be
split
between
the
the
protocol
and
the
this
shop,
and
it
wouldn't
quite
be
the
retail
price
it
would.
It
would
aim
to
be
competitive
now.
B
E
Yeah
I
had
one-
I
guess
obviously
like
very
excited
about
the
core
unit
like
love
this
flag
and,
like
everyone
else,
just
want
to
see
more
of
it
curious
like
what
it
kind
of
means
to
you
guys.
I
guess
to
be
a
core
unit
like
further
down
the
line,
more
ideas
for
merchandise.
Come
like.
Do
you
see
like
trying
to
incorporate
with
them?
Do
you
see
like
staying
independent?
I
was
just
curious
kind
of
what
your
philosophy
around
that
might
be.
C
You
know,
should
the
opportunity
arise
that
the
shop
expands
into
somebody
else's,
what
we're
doing
that's
within
the
the
maker
ecosystem,
like
potentially
like
a
partner
or
something
that
sort
of
like
expands
into
like
a
d5
swag
shop,
or
something
like
that
awesome.
But
at
the
moment,
like
there's
that
the
plan
is
just
supply
maker
and
I
think
for
the
first
pick
your
timeline
6
to
12
months.
C
That's
really
going
to
be
there's
going
to
be
plenty
to
go
like
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
work
to
do
in
just
that
time
anyway,
let
alone
thinking
about
any
sort
of
expansion.
But
when
it
comes
to,
like
I
said,
community
like
driven
products
or
things
like
that,
in
terms
of
like
additional
merchandise,
as
you
mentioned
like
absolutely
like,
we
we
like
owned
swag
at
events.
We
were
everyone,
everyone
wanted
to
be
a
part
of,
and
from
we
want
to
do
the
exact
same
thing
from
an
online
perspective.
B
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
echo
it
to
say,
like
this
is
a
fun,
and
this
is
a
fun
way
for
us
to
leverage
something
that
we
are
passionate
about
and
have
a
successful
skill
set
in
to
still
contribute
and
stay
connected
to
a
project
that
we
love
like
just
more
broadly.
This
is
probably
an
over
share,
but
we
were
talking
about,
like
you
know,
as
the
foundation
goes
away
like
oh
yeah.
What
am
I
doing
next
I
kept
thinking.
I
don't
want
to
really
go
anywhere
else.
I
don't
know
what
the
exact
next
step
is.
B
A
B
We
would
we're
gonna
benchmark
against
what
other
projects
are
like
we're,
gonna,
we'll,
basically
benchmark
against
the
rest
of
the
market
to
find
a
price
that
makes
sense
to
the
consumer.
Let's
start
there
I
mean
there's
not
a
lot
of
benefit
of
a
50
50
split
if
nobody's
buying
our
stuff,
because
we
price
them
at
100
die
each.
Oh,
you
know
everything
is
a
starting
point
right
now.
It
looks
like
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
it,
because
it
can.
B
C
B
Well,
we
can
cut
a
deal
so
we're
selling
them
at
basically
cost
right,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
flexible
and
move
stuff
around.
There
will
for
sure,
be
things
that
cost
more
because
a
the
product
itself
costs
more
and
maybe
we're
applying
more
design
to
it
right
and
we're
creating
a
little
bit
of
scarcity.
There,
a
t-shirt,
nft,
that's
not
in
a
real
world
nft
that
you
can
put
in
your
laundry,
but
we
can
provide
more
detail
on
that.
A
Yeah
the
way
I
was
asking-
and
then
this
is
a
little
bit
answering
to
andrew's
comment
in
the
chat-
is
that
I've
usually
been
warned
against
going
into
partnerships
where
you
share
the
profit
and
not
the
revenue,
because
it's
extremely
easy
to
just
make
up
costs.
So,
potentially
you
guys
could
say
yeah.
We
need
to
invest
on
this.
We
want
to
put
a
store
on
this.
We
want
to
pay
ourselves
salaries,
we
want
to
know,
and
then
there's
no
more
profit
to
share
right.
A
B
Sure
I
mean
we're
totally
open
to
that.
If
there's,
if,
if
structurally,
if
there's
this
kind
of
feedback,
we're
open
to
all
that,
we
really
just
sort
of
did
a
50
50
split,
because
we
thought
it
was
the
cleanest
understand.
Of
course
we
can
pick
expenses
off
of
profit,
so
I
totally
understand
the
point,
but
much
like
the
recommendation
to
to
add
a
little
stake
in
the
game.
B
For
us
a
little
bit
of
equity,
I
mean
I'm
definitely
glad
to
go
back
and
take
another
look
at
what
the
numbers
look
like
and
how
they
started
out.
This
has
actually
been.
This
is
phenomenal
feedback
cause
short
of
greg
de
prisco,
continually
telling
us
that
he
wants
cowboy
hats.
We
didn't
get
a
lot
of
engagement
off
of
off
of
the
other
posts
that
we
put
out
there.
So
thank
you
for
the
conversation.
D
D
D
D
B
C
Yeah
just
quickly
lfw
has
a
has
a
question
in
the
chat
about
shipping.
As
of
right
now
we
from
the
internal
testing
we've
shipped
worldwide.
The
only
issue
is
occasionally
customs.
Stop
something
like
we've
shipped
a
couple
things
to
argentina
and
they
got
stopped
in
customs,
so
that
will
be
need
to
be
sorted
on
sort
of
like
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
shipping
is
worldwide.
F
Some
some
in
the
community
might
not
be
entirely
comfortable
with
that.
You
could
turn
that
shop
that
thing
into
anything.
So
if
it
has
the
the
make
it
out.com
name
on
it,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
want
to
own
it
or
so
you
could.
You
could
have
the
rights
to
the
site
for
like
a
number
of
years,
like
10,
for
all
I
care,
but
that
the
the
the
the
name
shop
at
makedown.com
belongs
to
make
it
out.
B
Correct,
yes,
they
apologize.
If
that
wasn't
clear,
the
idea
would
be
we,
our
shop
would
have
exclusive
rights
to
it
like,
through
the
the
permission
of
whichever
domain
ends,
up
owning,
makerdao.com
or
controlling
it.
I
should
say
it's
the
dye
foundation.
I
believe
that
owns
the
domain
or
controls
the
domain,
but
then
there'll
be
a
core
unit
that
is
responsible
for
it
and
and
what
we're
suggesting
or
what
we're
asking
for
is
the
exclusive
rights
to
it,
based
on
a
time
frame
and
on
parameters
that
are
acceptable
to
the
project.
F
All
right,
I
have
a
question
rather
a
comment
on
the
the
50
50
profit
sharing
part
of
the
of
the
or
what
you're
selling
here
is
that
the
the
community
doesn't
really
have
to
get
involved.
But
you
know
with
a
with
a
profit
sharing
we
s.
Someone
at
some
point
needs
to
go
to
your
books
and
look
into
your
numbers.
F
B
Truly,
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
can
come
back
with,
I
think
what
it
would
bring
is
that
it
means
you
know.
We
picked
50
50
because
it
felt
cleanest,
but
maybe
it
is
like
a
per
unit,
a
per
unit
fee
or
price
that
goes
directly
to
the
project,
and
maybe
it's
just
coming
down
to
like
what
numbers
feel
appropriate
does
10
or
20
feel
like
the
right
number.
This
is
where
we'd
love
to
gauge
the
folks
in
the
community
around
what
yeah,
what.
B
F
C
There's
also
a
world
that,
where
who's
ever
call
it,
the
ever
selected
treasurer
or
whatever
marketing
core
unit
or
strategic
comms
core
unit
is,
is
voted
in
like
work
together
and
we
show
how
like
what
the
budget
and
books
look
like
and
so
like
as
a
verification.
So
I
I'm
not
saying
we
should
do
that
instead,
but
that's
another
option.
A
And
this
brings
me
to
to
one
central
point
that
we
want
to
touch
upon
later,
but
I'm
not
entirely
sure
I
think
I'm
breaking
up.
Let
me
know
if
it
becomes
here,
but
something
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
while
this
might
sound
like
a
great
idea
or
or
maybe
it
is-
I
don't
know
if
well
personally,
I
am
in
measure
of
actually
evaluating
this
and
I'm
almost
sure
that
most
maker
holders
don't
want
to
right.
A
So
that's
why
I
saw
this
more
of
as
a
kind
of
like
as
an
agreement
between
some
core
unit
that
deals
with
this
type
of
things
and
they
can
discuss
with
you
guys
and
and
potentially
other
people
and
say
like
hey.
This
is
great
we're
doing
the
I
don't
know
the
due
diligence.
We
evaluate
these
guys.
So
it's
it's
it's
more
of.
We
are
the
same
way.
We
are
delegating
to
seb
for
real-world
assets
like
I,
I
don't
think
that
anyone
has
the
bandwidth
to
start
evaluating
all
the
real
world
assets.
A
So
we
onboard
the
same
thing
for
this
right
well,
this
could
be
great,
and
during
this
call
it
sounds
like
like
a
great
deal.
Maybe
it's
not
or
maybe
it's
maybe
you
guys
are-
are
on
the
losing
end
right.
Maybe
it's
it's
maybe
you're
getting
like
a
really
bad
deal
and
the
dao
is
actually
winning,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
can
judge
this
or
the
other
maker
holders
can
charge
it.
So
this
is
something
that
concerns
me
a
bit.
A
I
I
kind
of
asked
nadia
and
kathleen
in
the
in
the
forum,
I'm
not
entirely
sure
if,
if,
if
that
would
fall
within
their
mandates
or
potentially
you
guys
could
start
a
core
unit
with
a
broader
scope
that
will
evaluate
and
and
and
give
I
mean
right
now,
there's
kind
of
like
a
conflict
of
interest.
I
guess,
but
I
think
that
and
and
again
this
might
be
the
wrong
answer.
I
might
maybe
my
approach
is
wrong,
but
I
feel
that
this
is
something
kind
of
too
small
for
the
makeup
holders
to
be
voting
on.
C
C
B
Yeah,
it
also
comes
yeah.
I
agree.
I
think
that
there's
a
world
where
we
can
work,
I
mean
the
way
that
it
currently
works
with
swag
right
from
the
foundation
is
we
were
working
with
internal
groups,
internal
facing
groups
and
external
facing
groups,
so
there
is
a
need.
I
think
it
would
solve
a
problem
for
folks
all
across
the
project.
B
To
the
point
of
like,
is
this
too
small
or
projects
like
this?
Are
we
setting
a
precedent
where
you're
going
to
get
nickeled
and
dimed
on
every
single
small
project
that
wants
to
use
one
pipe
one
piece
of
the
protocol?
That's
a
fair
administrative
call
right,
like
that's
fundamental,
that
needs
to
be
sorted
beyond
us.
We
can
be
flexible
either
way.
B
I
think
there's
also
just
for
us
a
sense
of
we're
ready
to
go
like.
Let's
just
go,
I
mean
again
the
right
way,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
disrespectful,
but
really
more
like
this.
We
can
turn
the
shop
on
and
just
hit
it
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
like
maybe
we're
being
a
little
too.
What's
the
word,
I
want
to
say,
like
aggressive
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
slot
in
to
existence.
A
A
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
the
right
kind
of
conversation
to
be
having
that's
that's
more
what
I
meant
it
feels
more
like
a
like
a
smaller-ish
thing,
unless
you
tell
me
that
you
guys
are
expecting
millions
in
revenue
and
then
maybe
we
should
be
discussing
this
as
something
more
strategic
right
yeah.
I.
B
D
B
We're
talking
to
people
about
like
set
it
up
through
a
core
unit.
Is
it
a
mip?
What
do
we
do
here
and
so
we're?
You
know?
We
think
this
makes
sense.
We
don't
believe
we're
wasting
people's
time,
but
it's
right
like
the
org
is
going
to
right
size
itself
and
I
totally
get
that
it
might
be
hey.
This
is
below
a
threshold,
I
guess
for
us.
It
would.
A
E
Hi
there
can
I
slip
in
a
question
here
because
it
might
really
pertain
to
this
core
unit,
not
core
unit
question
and
that's
about
intellectual
property.
So
I
guess
my
questions
are
number
one:
where
does
the
like
maker,
dow
logo
existing
swag,
artwork
and
stuff?
Where
does
that
ip
reside
now
and,
secondly,
anything
that's
cooked
up
for
this?
Whether
your
relationship
to
the
dow
would
on
whether
on
who
owns
the
designs,
you
know
should,
should
any
ties
be
severed
in
the
future?
You
know
where
would
those
designs
for
t-shirts
mugs
whatever?
E
Whereas
if
you
are,
if
it's
just
a
straight-up
licensing
agreement,
it
would
probably
reside
with
the
artists,
though,
of
course
it
would
also
include
intellectual
property
that
belongs
to
maker
dow.
So
I
think
these
are
worth
thinking
about,
particularly
when
thinking
about
the
relationship
this
this
project
would
have
anyway.
Maybe
you
can
speak
to
that.
B
C
And
it
will
access
the
url
which
thereby
makes
it
official
and
sort
of
like
get
the
nod
from
the
community
that
like
hey,
this
is
our
shop
as
the
as
a
community
which
then
in
turn
like,
if
you
look
for
like
crypto
swag
on
on
google
or
something
there
are
a
zillion
different,
like
knock-off
shops,
with
old
logos
or
logos
that
don't
matter
or
whatever
like
like
this
would
be.
We
want
this
to
be
sort
of
like
the
our
community
that
the
maker
community
to
point
to
this.
C
B
C
B
E
B
I'm
trying
to
make
I'm
sorry
the
point
of
just
if
I
can
finish
it.
I
was
going
to
make
a
little
earlier
around
like
if
this
is
the
right
thing
for
a
core
unit
or
if
it
needs
to
fit
somewhere
else.
I
think
it
will
be
cool
as
the
project
evolves
to
understand
sort
of
what
are
the
criteria
you
know
and
I
to
understand,
like
hey,
don't
for
lack
of
a
better
term
waste
everyone's
time
by
going
down
this
path
if
it
doesn't
match
these
must
be
this
tall
to
ride
kind
of
stuff.
B
I
think,
maybe
even
if
that's
the
outcome
of
this
conversation,
that
could
be
the
bigger
win
and
then
we
can
sort
out
where
our
shop
goes.
If
it
turns
out
that
this
isn't
the
right
thing
for
a
core
unit,
we
think
it's.
You
know
it's
a
good
and
it's
obviously
valuable
for
the
time
of
the
discussion
and
the
time,
but
we're
open
as
members
of
the
community
to
find
out
what
like,
let's
right,
sides
of
this
thing.
E
E
Go
for
it
yeah,
so
I
guess
the
one
concern
that
comes
up
to
me-
and
perhaps
this
is
easy
to
address-
is
that
if
the
maker,
you
know
logo,
intellectual
property
is
open
source.
Really.
This
is
like
you
this.
This
seems
like
there's
we
don't.
This
doesn't
grant
us
control
of
messaging
with
the
brand,
but
at
the
same
time,
association
with
us,
the
the
big
thing
that
we're
offering
you
is
a
competitive
advantage,
however,
big
or
small
it
may
end
up
being
with
the
use
of
the
url
seems
like.
E
Perhaps
it
might
be
better
for
you
just
to
rent
the
url
from
us
rather
than
go
through
all
this.
You
know
and
have
a
more
at
arm's
length
relationship
rather
than
try
to
make
this
a
core
unit,
since
it
doesn't
grant
us
any
additional
messaging
power.
If
anybody
you
know
with
an
etsy
shop
is
free
to
set
up
their
own
swag,
so
I
it
just
it
just
seems
like
this
should
be
maybe
more
transactional
and
just
easier
on
everybody.
B
E
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
interesting
reflection
and
definitely
one
that
we
kind
of
need
to
be
thanking
for
it
as
we
we
go
forward
to
kind
of
one's
question
about
like
size
and
scope
like
that
seems
like
a
relevant
like
hey.
Should
this
be
a
core
unit?
Should
it
not?
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
any
numbers
of
like
revenue
or
profits
from
the
time
operating
under
the
foundation.
C
Well,
we
never
we
never
publicized
it.
It
was
always
just
internal
sort
of
one-offs
to
test
it
so
that
we
never
had
it.
We
never
wrote
a
blog
post
externally.
We
never
posted
it
on
twitter
or
anything
like
that.
So
getting
our
numbers
like
doesn't
do
any
justice,
because
it
was
simply
just
100
guys
in
the
foundation
testing
it
out
and
ordering
swag.
You
know
whenever
they
wanted
a
t-shirt
or
nick
kunkel
wanted
a
new
platform
hat.
A
C
I
I
mean
honestly,
I
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
throw
out
a
number.
I
would.
I
would
be
happy
to
throw
out
a
number
after
the
first
month
and
aft
of
this
being
public,
because
that's
where
you're
able
to
get
engaged
there's
probably
going
to
be.
I
would
imagine
some
excitement
as
the
whole
community
kind
of
rallies
around
it.
B
I
think
once
events
start
back
up
and
core
units
are
in
place
and
we
start
seeing
if
you
know,
if
we're
competitive
with
where
people
are
going
to
get
the
swag
that
they
use
internally
or
for
you
know
for
different.
You
know.
If
we
become
a
vendor
for
them
there,
we
would
start
to
get
a
normalized
list
or
kind
of
like
curve
of
what's
actually
going
on.
C
Yeah,
so
I
I
think
that's
that
would
be
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
seth
is
teaming
up
with
bourbon
and
working
with
him
to
to
do
those
welcome
packages
as
well
as
any
other
like
quote-unquote,
like
influencer
packages.
Should
a
core
unit
want
to
work
with
influencers
like
it's
always
nice
to
to
give
them
like
sort
of
a
nice
box
of
swag
and
sort
of
introduce
them
to
the
brand
that
way,
and
as
well
as
anybody
else
you
could
imagine,
I
don't
know
if
nadia
is
talking
to
you
know.
C
B
A
I
guess
it
depends
on
how
many
whale
friends
you
have
mike,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
decentralized
and
like
that,
the
holders
control
the
what
goes
and
what
doesn't
right.
I
guess
so.
We
tried
to
establish
frameworks
and
and
ideally
reduce
the
the
mental
overhead
for
for
maker
holders,
but
that's
that's
just
as
far
as
we
can
reach
and
and
yeah.
I
I
I
don't
know.
A
B
B
Yeah,
I
think
so
too,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
just
say
is
we
did
this
because
we
didn't
know
the
other
way
to
get
through.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
opening
I
reached
out
to
long,
I
believe,
is
on
the
call
on
a
different
topic
of
like
actually
earlier
in
going
through
this
process
of
just
like
guidance
from
whoever
provides
guidance.
If
the
objective
of
core
units
and
governance
is
to
get
the
appropriate
people
participating
maximally
right
some.
B
B
But
then
that
leaves
to
your
point
one.
Like
mkr.
Voters
are
going
to
be
paying
attention
to
a
bunch
of
like,
in
some
cases
like
nitty
gritty.
They
don't
care
about
and
in
some
cases
like
shifts
the
world
importance
and
they're
all
equally
weighted.
That
doesn't
really.
My
guess
is
that's
all
going
to
kind
of
shake
out
as
we
evolve
right.
A
So
there
are
different
initiatives
that
the
the
coordinate
mipset
is
kind
of
green,
yet
or
or
very,
not
not
mature.
I
guess
so
we're
we're
seeing
and
we're
improving
it.
There
are
different
core
units
being
set
up
to
actually
help
other
core
units
and
try
to
give
it
a
better
framework.
But
it's
it's
a
super
valid
point
like
right
now.
Anyone
I
mean
governance.
The
maker
holders
can
do
whatever
they
want
right,
so
they
can
vote
for
for
anything.
So
I
don't
think
it's
up
to
a
central.
A
C
B
B
E
Think
people
will
be
understanding
of
like
stuff
like
this
right,
like
you
know,
if,
if
you
get
signers
like
signed
up
as
like
a
core
unit
now
like
and
later
on,
it
turns
out
that
it
probably
falls
below
the
threshold
for
what
makes
sense
it's
a
core
unit.
Then
you
know
I
like
to
think
people
will
be
understanding
and
you'll
just
get
shuffled
into
a
different
structure,
but
will
remain
the
same
right
like
yeah.
C
Just
just
a
just
to
note
on
paper's
comment
about
not
controlling
the
brand,
I
mean
that
that
was
myself
and
mike's
job
is
to
control
the
brand
as
part
of
the
foundation
like
branding
messaging,
make
sure
things
look
look
right.
This
is
like
a
way
for
at
least
in
terms
of
swag
to
help
control
the
brand.
So
there
aren't
bourbon's
not
making
t-shirts.
C
C
B
Yeah,
and
also
to
a
degree,
decentralization
means
I
mean
you
know
the
the
fact
of
the
matter
is:
unless
whoever
is
going
to
come
in
as
your
core
unit,
everyone
is
going
to
go
through
them
for
your
core
unit
on
marketing
and
branding,
every
single
other
core
unit
has
to
have
all
of
their
stuff
approved
by
them.
You,
you
won't,
have
control
over
your
brand.
B
A
A
E
Yeah,
so
can
you
hear
me,
can
you
actually
hear
me
so
I
arrived
late,
so
I
apologize
for.
I
just
arrived
like
five
minutes
ago.
So
I'm
sorry,
but
one
question
which
I
think
is
related
to
what
you
were
discussing
the
last
five
minutes
is
what,
if
we
let's
say,
vote
for
this
core
unit
to
be
formed
and
to
run,
but
we
change
our
mind
in
let's
say
one
year
or
six
months
and
what
about
your
business?
E
B
Yeah
well,
this
is
really
about
because
the
the
trademarks
and
logos
are
open,
source
managed
and
owned
through
the
dye
foundation.
The
real
crux
of
it
would
be
access
to
shop.makernow.com
and
being
able
to
use
official
shop
in
our
messaging
versus
stopping
making
the
merchandise
unless
it's
exceptionally
like
violating
their
terms
of
the
dye
foundation.
But
to
your
point
I
think
it
would
be
great,
and
this
is
part
of
what
we
can
clarify
in
the
ask
of
like
a
three
to
you
know
three
months
or
whatever.
B
The
project
is
comfortable
with
standard
90
day
sort
of
heads
up
that
we're
shutting
you
down
and
giving
access.
You
know
we're
putting
it
up
to
bid
and
we're
going
to
act.
You
know
give
somebody
else.
Access
to
or
like
the
done,
the
the
official
title
would
be
appropriate
and
again
pretty
standard.
E
I
think
that
does
bring
up
a
really
good
point.
Me,
though,
is
that
kind
of
the
framework
for
a
lot
of
these
core
units
that
we
were
thinking
about
was
like
okay.
Well,
they
will
have
to
approach
the
dow
every
you
know
three
six
months
a
year.
What
have
you
for
a
budget,
but
this
proposal
is
kind
of
unique
in
that
you're,
proposing
no
funds
from
the
dow,
so
there
there,
I
guess
initially,
wouldn't
be
that
kind
of
automatic
re,
retesting
or
reevaluation
phase.
B
Totally
I
mean
I
could
see
a
world
where,
if
we
have
to
provide,
you
know
part
of
what
we
offered
and
we're
committed
to
is
providing
financial
reports,
and
so
maybe,
instead
of
because
we're
not
asking
for
money
which,
by
the
way,
I
am
glad
to
ask
for
money
and
take
money
if
that
helps
things
slide
through.
But
what
we
could
still
do
is
on
that
same
cadence
that
everybody
else
is
being
held
to.
We
could
provide
our
financial
reports,
and
that
can
be
the
part
where
we
have
the
discussion
about.
Hey.
B
E
E
For
I
mean
you
there's
nothing
wrong
with
having
an
official
shop
right,
but
I
mean
it
just
it
seems
like
if
we
can't
grant
you
an
exclusive
license,
much
less
enforce
one.
Then
that
also
means
that
this
is
much
less
of
a
symbiotic
relationship
and
more
of
just
a
straight
up
licensing
deal
like
if
we
were
a
sports
league
and
someone
wanted
to
be
our
official
shop,
they
would
just
pay
us
for
that,
and
then
we
would
just
keep
an
eye
to
make
sure
there
were
no
egregious
missteps
on
their
part
right.
E
So
I
I
don't
know
that's
just
I
just
I
don't
get
what
what
the
the
value
add
in
both
directions
is
going
to
be,
because
I
I
mean
maybe
I'll
be
wrong,
hopefully
knock
on
wood,
that
this
will
financially
be
material
to
maker.
But
it's
considering
that
we're
you
know
we're
we're
currently
making
like
you
know:
290
000
die
a
day
right
now
in
profits.
E
I
mean
I
just
I
have
a
hard
time
seeing
how
this
is
gonna
on
a
financial
level
really
matter
to
us,
so
we're
in
a
situation
where
I
think
there's
nothing
wrong
with
us
having
some
kind
of
relationship
you
know
and
licensing
our
our
basically,
our
web
address
assets,
but
at
the
same
time
like
there's,
really
nothing
in
it
for
us
other
than
like
some
from
cold
hard
cash
and
just
the
easiest
thing
to
do
it.
Just
I
mean
like
like
where
we're
a
landlord
right.
That
would
be
the
easiest
thing
to
do.
E
I
think
right
and
then,
if
you're
super,
successful,
more
power
to
you,
you'll
have
more
profits
and
if
you're
not
it
really
protects
us
from
fluctuations
and
and
revenue
as
well
as
just
you
know
it
really,
and
that
would
really
ensure
that
we
have
minimal
like
liability
exposure
beyond
just
reputational
risk.
Anyway,
that's
my
thought
for
now.
C
B
E
Who
is
in
charge
of
communicating
with
governance?
So
I
think
that's.
The
general
idea
is
not
so
everybody's
free
to
do
whatever
they
want
in
the
ecosystem
of
ethereum
of
daffy
of
maker
dao.
So
this
core
unit
idea
was
basically
to
structure
some
sort
of
divisions
or
groups
of
people
working
in
a
scalable
way.
E
A
E
D
I
want
to
look
back
around
to
the
idea
of
the
marketing.
Is
there
going
to
be
like
a
marketing
core
unit?
I
guess
there
is
none
right
now
I
mean
I
thought
maybe
could
be
like
responsible
for
that
going
forward,
but
I
guess
it's
just
down
before,
but
I
like
coordination
with,
like
the
marketing
team
like
why
would
the
marketing
team
necessarily
be
like
the
core
unit
versus
this
could
maybe
be
like
the
subsidiary
of
the
marketing
team?
Not
yeah,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
right.
D
B
I
believe
there
is
a
proposal
in
for
a
marketing
career
unit.
Also,
so
I
mean
there's,
I
think:
what's
cool
is-
and
I
I
don't
know
when,
if
I'm
assuming
this
ends
at
the
top
of
the
hour,
like
my
big
takeaway
would
be
culture,
and
I
have
value
to,
we
believe
we
have
value
to
offer.
We
are
excited
to
contribute.
B
This
is
the
model
we
think
works,
but
we're
really
happy
to
be
flexible
inside
of
whatever
rules
are
set
up
or
determined
to
me.
It
feels
like
the
crux
of
the
issue
is
still
like
what
does
and
doesn't
constitute
a
core
unit,
and
so
that's
really
kind
of
what's
good.
Some
awesome
feedback
around
like
rethinking
the
way
that
we
structure
the
the
finances
of
the
deal
and
how
we
can
contribute
back,
whether
it's
off
of
revenue
or
splitting
of
profits
etc.
Totally,
we
will
take
another
crack
at
that.
B
Absolutely
take
a
look
at
giving
you
know,
proposing
some
stake
in
equity,
but
really
open
to
working
with
the
community
in
the
group
is
the
most
engagement
we've
gotten
on
the
topic.
If
I'm
honest,
maybe
that's
a
wonderful
indicator
of
how
important
this
is
or
not
to
people
based
on
the
comments
we
were
seeing.