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From YouTube: Microsoft 365 & SharePoint PnP Weekly – Episode 80
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April 20th discussion with @VesaJuvonen, @WaldekM and guest Katja Jokisalo | @katjajokisalo – Information Architect at Sulava in Finland discuss Intranet planning (shaping the final frontier) and 16 articles published in the last week. The group discusses positioning Teams and SharePoint with customers, the scope and necessity for information organization planning, authoritative content creation and governance, and the analogy of learning to drive and learning to code. There was one new entrant on the Community non-Dev docs page this week - thank you Henrik Yllemo – article summarized herein. While all community articles are vetted, all recognize articles define an option that works in certain situations and there is no one rightest way. Thank you for contributing.
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A
A
Weekly
episode,
80
20th
of
April,
and
we
do
have
a
visitor
today,
but
before
we
go
there
to
quick
recap,
VMP
weekly
is
all
about
Microsoft
365,
the
news
and
community,
let's
say
articles
and
blog
posts
and
what
has
happened
within
the
last
week.
We
always
covered
the
previous
week
or
mainly
concentrate
on
the
previous
week,
and
then
this
one
will
be
released
on
Tuesday
both
technically
you
see
it
when
it's
live.
So
it's
not
tomorrow,
but
we
recorded
that
yesterday,
but.
C
A
B
C
A
B
C
A
C
I
work
with
the
company
called
soo
lava.
We
have
about
120
professionals
working
all
things,
Microsoft
cloud,
so
modern,
Microsoft,
stuff
and
I
focus
on
the
area
called
modern
work,
which
basically
means
all
the
Microsoft
communication
and
collaboration
applications.
Sharepoint
of
course,
themes
a
little
bit
of
tiny
bit
of
Yammer
as
well.
C
A
C
It's
kind
of
an
interesting
thing,
because
I
think
Internet
is
like
how
do
you
say
it
last
fourth,
last
fourth:
final
frontier
for
the
information
architecture
in
the
Microsoft
world,
because
it's
the
place
where
we
still
have
some
kind
of
plant
structure,
maybe
even
mandatory
metadata
and
so
on.
So
this
is
the
place
where
we
try
to
group
and
create
different
contexts
and
have
a
clear
navigation,
a
way
to
find
content
using
the
navigation
and
additional
parts
and
metadata
as
well.
C
So
that's
what
we
do
when
we
plant
the
information
architecture,
we
plant
the
navigation,
we
plant
the
structure,
the
physical
and
logical
structure
and
also
the
metadata
in
order
to
make
it
easier
to
understand
the
context
and
find
and
discover
the
content,
but
it's
not
all
only
in
the
internets.
Of
course,
we
need
to
focus
on
the
the
information
architecture
in
the
digital
world
workplace
as
well,
but
in
most
cases
in
teams,
it's
much
more
like
flexible
or
free
based
on
the
requirements
of
the
team.
What
is
the
structure
in
the
team?
C
A
C
I
think
there
are
two
main
reasons:
the
first
one,
the
obvious
one
is,
of
course,
that
it
makes
easier
to
find
the
content
and
discover
the
content.
So
if
you
need
to
know
something
you
can
navigate
to
it,
you
can
search
it.
You
can
find
it
in
many
different
ways
if
you
have
the
proper
information
architecture
and
easy
to
use
like
intuitive
and
logical
to
use,
if
it
has
that
planned
architecture,
but
the
second
one
is
also
important
and
it's
the
kind
of
the
governance
part.
C
A
That's
actually,
the
permissions
is
a
really
important
piece
as
well,
so
making
sure
that
not
the
wrong
people
can
edit
things
or
access
the
things
and
that's
why
it's
important
to
figure
out
who's
doing
what?
Where
and
what
are
the
roles?
Absolutely
absolutely
someone
like
you
had
a
question.
Sorry,
I,
don't
wanna!
Yes,.
B
Yes
I,
so
you
said
that
you've
been
doing
this
work
for,
or
you've
been
working
with
Internet's
for
about
10
years
now,
how
have
you
seen
change
the
field
of
ia
coming
from
there
from
the
typically
many
on-prem
setups,
with
hierarchical
structures,
to
what
we
see
now
in
a
cloud
or
cloud?
First,
with
everything
is
a
site
collection.
We
have
hubs,
we
have
teams.
How
do
you
see
this
change
over
the
course
of
of
the
years?
B
C
C
And
nowadays
you
can
basically
go
to
look
poke
and
provision
an
example
like
template
for
your
intranet
in
five
minutes
or
so
so.
Technically,
it's
completely
different
world,
but
I
think
the
part
where
we
actually
planned
the
structure
and
the
navigation
how
to
find
the
content,
how
to
group
the
content
together,
it's
very
similar
nowadays,
of
course,
we
have
different
technical
structures
there,
but
the
planning
phase
planning
work
is
very
much
the
same
still
so.
B
A
B
Yeah
but
I
mean
like
in
a
way
that
make
sense
right,
because
typically,
you
would
say
that
the
way
you
structured
content
reflects
you
as
a
company
and
that
doesn't
change,
because
now
you're
you're
online,
like
if
you
used
to
think
in
projects
and
programs,
and
you
have
specific
documents
that
have
given
names
like
that
is
still
the
case,
because
that
is
the
business
you're
in
like
just
because
you
had
used
to
have
sites,
and
now
you
work
primarily
in
teams.
Well
that
doesn't
change
your
business
right,
so
in
either
makes
sense.
C
But
one
very
important
difference
nowadays
is
that
we
have
different
platforms
for
publishing
and
collaboration.
Previously,
you
might
have
all
your
workspaces
inside
the
intranet,
like
some
sides
of
the
internet,
but
nowadays
you
have
to
be
very
clear
that
this
is
our
collaboration
part.
This
is
the
teams
here
we
work
together
and
prepare
the
content,
and
then
we
move
it.
We
publish
it
too
dangerous,
which
is
an
interesting
fashion.
Point
yeah.
A
C
A
C
B
I
guess
it
only
proves
the
part
right
that
when
you
create
when
you
collaborate
like
there,
is
the
need
to
communicate
and
doing
that
via
email.
It's
not
the
most
efficient
way
right,
especially
when
you
have
alternative
of
teams
where
you
have
this
persistent
chat,
if
you
like,
and
you
can
always
go
back
to
it,
you
can
search
to
it
and
you
can
also
in
the
same
place,
work
together
on
files,
documents,
presentations
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
C
A
A
B
That
non-technical
person
their
internet
will
be
teams
like
they
will
have
no
reason
to
go
anywhere
else
so
for
for
our
dam,
they
will
have
their.
You
know
they
will
be
able
to
start
their
day
and
stick
for
today
in
teams
they
don't
need
to
go
anywhere
else
because
they
have
everything
in
single
place,
whereas
on
technical
side
we
know
well,
yes,
but
that
page
these
files-
they
don't
actually
live
in
teams.
Yep.
B
In
imagine
imagine
that
there
is
like
we
know
on
the
technical
side
that
all
three
six
five
or
Microsoft
and
through
these
five
comprised
of
different
services,
you
come
to
teams
where
you
have
exposed
your
SharePoint
internet
and
there
is
SharePoint
outage.
A
user
will
go
to
hey,
my
team's
internet
doesn't
work
and
they
will
submit
a
ticket,
and
that
is
okay,
but
teams
work.
So
what
do
you
mean
and
they
like?
But
that's
again.
C
But
it
matters
for
the
content.
Editor
insert
point
case
because
we
don't
have
the
same
functionality
on
themes.
Yet,
if
you
think
about,
for
example,
planner,
it
doesn't
really
matter
because
you
can
do
every
single
thing
you
can
do
in
the
planner
application.
You
can
do
it
in
team
step,
but
with
serpent
you
cannot
do
it
yet.
So
that's.
A
So,
as
a
content
editor,
you
would
have
to
go
to
the
SharePoint
to
create
the
news,
but
you
can
consume
the
information
to
the
themes
which,
from
my
perspective,
still
as
like
yeah,
but
that's
precisely
what
I
want
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
any
problems
of
the
content,
editors
being
Oh
or
explaining
to
them
that
they
need
to
go
to
the
SharePoint
to
create
the
content.
What's
your
opinion
Kathy
on
on?
How
are
you
positioning
this
thing
currently
with
your
customers?
I
would.
C
B
A
Absolutely
absolutely,
but
if
you
think
about
the
organization
or
if
you
think
about
companies,
it
is
only
a
subset
of
people
who
are
creating
news,
it's
not
everybody,
creates
news,
that's
like
rare
and
so
therefore
training
five
people
to
actually
go
to
the
ship
on
the
great
news
and
then
other
other
99%
of
people
are
consuming
than
it
is
true.
The
teams
I
think
that's
acceptable.
So
but
again
we
can
improve
and
definitely
we
are
improving
in
the
future.
B
C
That's
an
important
thing
from
the
information
architecture
perspective
as
well,
because,
right
now
it's
it
makes
it
easier
to
explain
to
people
that
this
information
here
in
the
intranet
is
published.
You
can
trust
it,
it's
the
final
version
because
you
are
in
the
different
platform,
but
if
it's
integrated
in,
if
you
are
consuming
it
on
teams,
how
do
you
know
is
this
the
internet
content
or
is
it
something
we
are
working
on?
Is
this
the
draft
marketing
and
image
source
created?
So
it
is.
C
B
It
is
interesting
thing
and
I
guess:
I
on
one
hand
you
would
say
yeah
like
yes,
there
is
a
need
to
have
this
final
content,
where
you
say:
okay,
this
is
it.
This
is
the
fact.
This
is
long
consult
on
the
other
hand,
nowadays
the
market,
the
world's
been
so
fast.
It
isn't
that
what
was
up-to-date
today
might
be
out
of
date
tomorrow.
So
what
is
final?
I
said
when
final
is
I
know,
and
are
we
even
at
all
in
a
place
where
we
can
lock
thing?
A
B
A
B
A
B
C
A
B
A
A
favor
sure
and
one
I
think
one
of
the
challenges.
What
people
keep
on,
having,
for
example,
even
with
starting
points
of
doing
development
for
SPF
X,
is
it
for
teams
or
in
SharePoint?
It's
the
fact
that
you
practice
that
you
need
danced
a
lot
of
that
stuff
and
then,
if
you
are,
if
you
have
this
kind
of
a
classic
way
of
learning,
you
think
about.
Okay,
so
I
need
to
install
this,
so
I
need
to
learn
this
so
I
need
to
understand
what
is
node.
How
does
it
work?
A
What
does
it
go
of
and
how
does
it
work
and
that's
actually
a
student?
That's
a
wrong
dieter
to
take,
because
then,
if
you
start
trying
to
understand
what
it's
called,
you
spend
time
on
more
on
the
irrelevant
stuff,
I'm
sure,
whenever
you're
a
advanced
developer
in
SPF
X
yeah,
you
can
have
a
look
on
the
more
detailed
options.
What
we
can
do
is
what's
what's
what's
your
opinion,
while
they're
content,
I
think.
B
In
a
way,
it's
the
same
as
you
use
a
car
if
you
buy
a
car
you're,
not
starting
with
okay,
so
it
car
has
an
engine.
I
have
to
know
everything
about
the
engine.
I
know
you
have
the
basics,
you
know,
dare
you
put
petrol
in
diesel
in
or
it's
electric
car?
It
has
an
engine
it
drives.
This
is
how
you
started
when
you
get
alert
like
an
a
red
light
or
orange
light.
B
There's
something
wrong
like
the
basic
things,
but
I
I
don't
need
to
be
a
mechanic
to
drive
a
car
at
least
today
right
so
I
think
the
the
same
analogy
stands
true
for
s
VFX,
like
sure,
there's
toolchain,
like
back
in
the
days
when
we
would
build
an
obvious
piece.
Not
everybody
knew
is
built
like
I
would
say
like
9
out
of
10.
Did
it
because
not
everybody
needed
to
customize
built
like
you
would
press
a
5?
It
would
build
perfect
I
can
do
my
job
I
think
the
same.
B
B
There's
also,
this
other
audience
of
dotnet
folks,
like
folks
who
are
used
to
the
net
development,
we're
like
what
is
this
thing
and
then
there
are
folks
who
just
start
Def
and
they
are
overwhelmed
because
they
don't
have
any
experience
at
all.
They
might
know
JavaScript,
they
might
know
no
PHP,
but
then
now
in
here,
they're
on
a
new
tool
chain
and
they're
like
where
do
I
start
yeah.
B
A
A
Normally
change
our
articles,
our
normal
agenda
so
related
on
actually
the
the
dinosaurs,
and
we
wanted
to
start
with
something
which
is
actually
a
very
important.
But
it's
a
good
reminder
that
people
need
to
start
acting
as
well.
There's
quite
a
lot
of
customers
still
running
a
SharePoint
Server
2000
2010,
which
is
an
older
it's
more
than
a
decade
old
already,
and
so
we
were
planning
the
end
of
support
dates
on
October
13
2020.
But
it's
extended
now
for
six
months
because
of
the
current
situation
within
the
world.
A
I
think
we're
doing
this
for
many
many
deadlines
which
we
were
planning
to
do
this
spring,
because
it's
kind
of
unfair
to
demand
any
let's
say
changes
from
companies
and
I'm
partners
during
this
difficult
time.
So
it
makes
make
sense
to
extend
the
timelines.
So,
but
please,
please,
please,
base
piece
and
move
forward
from
one
to
twenty.
Ten
to
my
street
is
to
five
or
twenty
nineteen
system
has
a
much
longer
life
cycle
as
well
now
a
few
other
things.
So
this
is
now
April
update
from
the
the
BMP
April
update,
really
long
burst
again.
A
So
what
stuff
to
write?
Actually,
this
not
really
difficult,
sometimes
I
mean
definitely
but
again,
I
want
to
just
pinpoint
a
lot
of
people
who
actually
very
involved
in
in
during
April
on
our
open
source
efforts
and
contributing
either
in
the
docks
or
in
the
open
source
projects
and
or
doing
a
live
demo
in
the
community
cost.
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
who
are
again
super
active
from
a
community
side.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
money
now
related
on
this
one.
A
C
Considered
it
every
single
time
when
I
see
a
documentation
where
wrote,
there's
a
kind
of
lacking
something
or
I
would
like
to
improve
it.
Somehow
and
I
have
even
checked
the
guidance
how
to
do
with
there's
very
nice
guidance.
How
to
contribute
intend
to
comment.
Yes,
sir
yeah,
but
I
haven't
done
anything
yet.
A
A
A
Something
like
that,
but
basically
getting
started
on
using
the
Microsoft
toolkit
there's
a
day,
one
and
then
there's
the
day
two
and
basically
how
to
get
started
and
doing
operations.
And
what
are
the
things?
How
do
you
need
to
do
a
show?
Eighty
configuration
to
get
started
on
using
and
the
Microsoft
craft
toolkit
really
really
awesome
stuff
making
it
super
easy
to
build
super
easy
to
build
single
base.
Applications
like
in
this
case.
It's
basically
your
tasks
calendar.
Yes,
your
calendar
actually
is
being
sent
over
there
and
I.
Think
it's
a
one
line
of
code.
A
B
A
And
I
know
that
there
say
the
people
Nicola,
who
is
actually
leading
the
technical
effort
on
this
when
they're
building
a
lot
of
they're
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
thinking
templating.
So
you
can
actually
modify
how
stuff
are
being
rendered
and
all
that
stuff.
So
you
have
a
full
of
flexibility
and
control
then,
but
to
basically
get
the
data
to
be
available
and
even
presentation.
But
then
you
can
modify
the
presentation
if
needed
and
I
think
that's
really
really
cool
and.
A
What
people
can
do
and
this
seems
to
be
manipulating
the
role
definitions,
which
is
slightly
scary,
actually
to
be
honest,
because
sharepoint
has
certain
level
of
assumptions
on
the
on
the
owner,
designer
and
visitor
settings
and
whenever
we
start
doing
unique
permission,
masks
things
work,
but
it
might
get
more
complicated
for
end-users
and
maybe
one
one
area
where
kotti
has
actually
provided
some
insights
for
her
customers
as
well
on
their
permission
sets,
and
do
you
have
anything
on
comment
on
that?
One
star
curiosity:
does
the
permissions
come
up
with
the
customer
cases.
C
A
B
Basically,
so
if
you
go
up,
there
is
the
list
of
resources
that
live
in
a
graph
that
you
can
extend
with
your
own
additional
things.
So
imagine
for
a
calendar.
You
might
want
to
attach
a
customer
that
you
have.
That
is
that
that
you
use
as
a
or
like
account
right.
Imagine
that
you
are
media
company
or
event
company
and
you
have
a
calendar
and
you
want
to
attach
to
that
a
customer
right.
B
So
a
customer
doesn't
live
in
graph,
but
that
is
your
maybe
that
that
info
is
coming
from
your
lob,
so
you
can
attach
it
to
the
the
calendar.
If
and
then,
whenever
you
you
retrieve
an
and
a
calendar
event
that
additional
info
can
be
or
actually
lives
together
with
that
event,
so
you
no
longer
have
like
two
separate
entities,
but
you
can
have
them
as
one
and
with
that
you
can
base
the
enrich
the
standard
objects
in
graph
with
additional
data.
That
makes
sense
in
your
case,
yep.
A
And
in
this
case
show
it's
explaining
how
they're
sent
to
user
hope.
I
didn't
meant
to
go
there
and
producer
and
basically
then
have
a
personalized
information
stored
in
a
craft
based
on
user
selection.
For
this
personal
apps
extension,
which
he
has
actually
contributed
as
an
open-source
version
as
well.
A
B
With
a
custom
user
profile
property
that
you
cannot
script
so
this
has
to
be,
you
have
to
go
there
at
it.
It's
gonna
take
some
time
to
spin
up,
and
then
you
have
to
fill
it
for
everybody,
whereas
here
it
just
works
immediately,
yep.
So
it's
a
great
and
also
the
fact
is
that
this
is
not
SPO
specific
thing.
It's
all.
Microsoft
is
3-6-5
because
it
is
graph
yeah.
A
And
the
user
identity-
it's
not
just
SharePoint
specific,
it's
device,
service,
expert
and
now
really
cool
stuff.
How
that
it's
a
file
while
sending
an
email
using
craft
API
in
a
SharePoint
framework?
So
that's
good
guidance
from
Shia
Kumar
related
on
that
one
on
the
effects,
site
and
kind
of
deep
dive
on
all
of
the
things,
but
basically
including
stuff
on
their
own.
The
email
poly.
A
This
one
is
from
Yannick,
so
Yannick
has
been
planar.
Works
has
been
creating
this
site,
design,
studio,
v2
and
and
I
think
there
was
even
a
picture
in
the
Twitter
tweets
with,
unfortunately
Yannick.
You
need
to
remember
the
screen.
There's
no
pictures
in
here
which,
which
reduces
the
let's
say,
excitement
around
this
feature
and
functionality,
because
people
can't
necessarily
understand
what
it
is
and
what
can
be
done.
A
So
pictures
pictures
pictures
they'll
do
more
than
thousand
words
and
so
remember
the
good
time
there,
but
basically
he's
working
on
a
site,
design,
studio
v2,
which
is
then
signed
to
sign
on
side
script,
studio
where
you
can
actually
build
the
easily
and
create
stuff
and
then
publish
your
side
scripts
to
tenant
level
as
well
as
long
as
we
had
sufficient
permissions
super
cool
stuff
and
documentation.
Unfortunately,
so
was
the
last
thing
what
people
and
developers
are
working
on,
but
one
picture
one
picture.
So
it's
always
good.
So
you
get
the
excitement
on
going.
A
This
one
was
from
Rabia.
Web
accessibility
also
referred
as
a
lie-in
react
components,
so
basically
how
to
use
a
really
balls
and
area
required
and
hidden
and
there's
a
few
different
attributes
in
the
area
attributes
which
you
can
actually
use
and
then
the
screen
readers
understand
those
and
then
they
start
behaving
differently
on
their
on
the
rendering
so
really
cool
stuff,
as
well
and
I.
Think
in
certain
countries
is
nowadays
mandatory.
They
can
have
that
accessibility
and
certain
level.
What's
is
pretty
good
I
think
there's
a
Iger
level
requirement
as
well.
B
B
There
are
like
whole
chunks
of
HTML.
You
would
have
to
rewrite
basically
to
get
this
in
place,
but
yeah
like
you
had
like
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
public-facing
size,
because
I'm
not
sure
I,
don't
need
that
it
applies
to
Internet's,
but
especially
to
public
facing
size.
This
is
a
big
requirement
and
like
not
all
these
things
are
trivial.
B
Nonetheless,
like
they
are
very
important
right
because,
like
government
like
it's
meant
to
serve,
citizens
like
and
and
like
different
people
are
in
different
health
shape
and
their
deck,
everybody
needs
to
be
able
comes
to
consume
the
stuff
from
the
government
side
right,
especially
now
in
current
time.
So
this
is
very
important.
Yeah.
A
I
think
that
was
the
story
and
then
also,
if
you
need
to
do
any
complexity,
you'll
have
to
fall
back
on
the
BMP
being
a
bit
PowerShell
and
PNP
templating,
because
the
native
site
designs
do
not
yet,
for
example,
support
more
in
pages,
so
there's
no
point
more
and
better
support
out
of
the
box,
but
the
BMP
templating
has.
But
what
basically
and
this
set
up
is
is
doing.
It
is
exporting
and
the
the
site
script
from
the
list.
A
So
you
have
the
the
categorization
of
the
site
pages,
so
you
understand
which
of
those
are
actually
promoted,
and
it's
not
so
that's
pretty
cool
as
well.
Your
Horst
had
a
list
and
list
of
arrows
when
you
might
face
in
the
SharePoint
API
management
page.
So
this
is
basically
a
list
of
different
exceptions
when
you
are
approving
the
the
the
permission
requests
for
shipment
framework
solutions,
and
what
do
they
actually
mean?
Some
of
these
are
pretty
cryptic.
A
But
basically
the
whole
point
being
on
the
fact
that
there
are
certain
set
of
exceptions
which
might
actually
get
on
that
page
and
then
how
do
you
resolve
them,
but
you
should
be
doing,
and
how
do
you
do
that?
So
there
are
ways
of
resetting
the
situation
on
the
on
the
page
on
that
page
as
well.
So
this
by
the
way,
the
yannick
planner
works
site
design
with
a
gif
animation.
A
It's
ER
how
convenient
that's
completely
an
accident
now
that
we
scroll
the
articles
true-
and
this
is
from
Joel
SPF,
X
and
modern
SharePoint
search
Bates
for
searching
the
current
location.
So
this
is
basically
how
do
we
use
BMP,
modern
search
with
parts
to
provide
a
modern
expiry,
and
how
do
we
set
those
to
be
active
on
on
the
site
level?
C
A
Cute
and
this
one
was
working
from
working
with
cascading
lists
in
SharePoint
on
power
wrap.
So
this
one
is
a
new
article
in
the
community
Docs
and
we
don't
have
the
community
Docs,
it's
probably
actually
in
the
home.
I
need
to
click
that
the
basically
a
new
article
on
how
to
how
to
work
with
cascading
lists
which
appointed
power-ups,
and
this
is
in
the
myself
365
community
Docs,
and
this
is
the
new
location
we
want
to
have
community
contributions
and
articles
so
that
people
learn
how
to
contribute
using
github.
A
And
then
we
actually
build
up
this
set
of
knowledge
rather
than
everybody
has
their
individual
articles
on
their
individual
blog.
So
you
can
still
publish
through
your
blog
post,
but
then
getting
it
in
here
will
mean
that
people
can
easily
find
it
and
really
important
thing
here
as
well,
that
obviously
all
of
the
writers
and
principle
authors
can
actually
target
and
also
explicitly
call
them
out
in
the
into
articles
as
well.
So
so.
B
About
this
one
right:
to
what
extent
can
you
say
that
whatever
is
exposed
here,
because
in
the
end
like
that
is
official,
Microsoft
site
sure,
to
what
extent
is
that
a
signal
for
someone
that
this
is
that's
it
in
a
way
like
this
is
a
good
way
to
solve
a
problem
as
opposed
to
somebody
on
someone's
blog,
like
I,
might
have
an
opinion,
but
industry
in
whereas
this
is
you
would
say
so.
Would
you
be
able
to
say
that
this
is
maybe
not
recommended
way,
but
a
accepted
way
of
doing
things?
It's.
A
Accepted
way,
so
all
of
the
articles
are
being
vetted
and
will
be
looping
the
people
to
actually
read
the
content,
which
is
getting
published,
absolutely
any
anything
with
nonsense.
It's
not
gonna
get
published
and
then,
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
the
stuff
which
we,
which
is
here,
let's
say
on
the
SharePoint
side,
information
architecture,
site
topology.
One
of
this
stuff
is,
however,
it
it's.
It's
debatable.
It's
it's
not
factual.
It's
it's
not
like.
This
is
the
right
or
wrong
and
that's
whatever.
This
is
that's
wrong.
No,
no!
No!
A
B
A
So
and
that's
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
differences
comparing
that
the
classic
SharePoint
as
a
classic
administrative
documentation
which
Microsoft
provides
they
concentrate
on.
This
is
an
API.
Oh
sorry,
this
is
a
PowerShell
command.
Let
this
is
how
it
works.
This
is
what
it
sets,
but
it
doesn't
actually
explain
the
advantages
and
considerations
and
differences
and
all
of
that
stuff,
the
kind
of
the
the
let's
say,
the
hidden
knowledge
of
the
community
who
works
with
the
customers
on
a
daily
basis
that
who
has
probably
set
or
seen.
A
If
you
do
this,
then
it
has
following
implications.
So
should
you
consider,
then,
that
one
as
well
well,
maybe
and
and
pointed
out
in
the
article
so
because
Microsoft
technical
writers
don't
have
that
day-to-day
knowledge
and
real
world
knowledge,
and
they
can't
write
that
speculative
debatable
documentation,
if
that
makes
sense,
so
yeah.
A
Ilya,
how
do
you
press
to
test
your
SharePoint
solution,
a
secured
API,
so
basically
testing
testing,
testing
Ilya?
Is
the
product
lead
for
Paulo
intranet,
so
it's
basically
them
right
now,
concentrating
on
the
automation
side
on
their
on
their
side
and
he's
always
sharing
his
knowledge
and
sharing
his
learnings
related
on
the
approaches
which
is
really
cool.
This
one
is
from
Sara
we're
sorry,
full
name,
Sara
hot
all,.
A
But
getting
that
common
knowledge
to
have
one
single
location
is
really
that
would
be
so
awesome
if
we
could
actually
get
they're
losing.
So
what
what's
a
cut
on
your
case,
because
you
you
spend
time
on
the
information
architecture?
Quite
a
lot.
So
the
hub
sites
are
be
our
customers
accepting
this
and
are
they
kind
of
embracing
the
hub
sites?
Or
is
it
still
like?
No,
no.
We
want
to
do
the
old
way
of
trying
stuff
or
what's
the
discussion
related
on
that.
C
A
Yeah
and
then
having
to
have
level
navigation,
makes
perfect
sense
and
then
maybe
having
a
personalization
support
in
the
hop
navigation
would
be
awesome
and
so
you're
able
to
target
individual
nodes
and
all
that
stuff.
But
all
of
that
obviously
is
in
there
in
the
roadmap
one
step
at
a
time
we'll
get
there.
Yes,.
A
It
is
I
think
in
the
eighth
night
we
talked
about
it
as
they
associated
top
sights
and
so
basically
as
associated
hops
and
then
again
do
hop,
hop,
hop
hop
in
certain
level.
So
anyway,
and
then
the
final
article,
five
ways
of
accessing
documents
in
SharePoint
Online
queue
article
set
of
different
ways
of
accessing
two
documents.
Basically,
you
aren't
always
accessing
the
same
documents.
A
Regardless
are
you
using
SharePoint
side
or
are
using
tape
teams
tabs
because
there's
behind
of
the
scenes
it's
actually
backed
up
with
SharePoint,
maybe
maybe
in
in
let's
say,
I'm,
not
saying
that
this
would
happen,
I'm
just
speculating
if
the
team's
will
catch
fully
fire?
Why
would
we
even
care
about
that?
There's
a
term
called
SharePoint
or
a
planner,
because
the
capabilities
of
teams
right
and
or
doovy
I,
don't
know
trying
an
attorney
in.
B
C
A
B
B
Because
a
while
back,
I
think
I'm
not
sure
which
year
it
was,
there
was
a
time
where
Microsoft
tried
to
replace
the
word
share
plan
with
sites
yeah
and
sitting
flat
fly,
well
that
it
rub
well
with
folks
like
so
eventually
we
are
back
to
the
product
term,
because
the
following
of
that
is
so
big.
There
is
such
a
big
community
behind
that
and
people
are
passionate
not
about
size,
they're,
passionate
about
the
product
sure
its
size,
but
it's
also
many
other
things,
its
pages,
its
web
parts.
B
It's
the
different
things
and
boil
it
down
to
only
size
like
that,
isn't
really
playing
fair
right.
So
I
think
that,
like,
while
you
might
say
and
I'm
not
sure,
if
that's
the
same
with
planner
right,
because
it
hasn't
been
around
for
that
long,
I'm,
not
sure
about
community
state
around
that
side
of
things,
I
think
for
people
who
use
it
and
will
probably
not
make
a
difference
because
to
them
might
be
like
yeah
I
work
with
a
file
and
whether
it's
stored
left
or
right.
You
call
it
like
it
is.
B
A
And
over
simplifying
things
in
opus,
this
is
just
over
simplifying,
not
taking
anything
away
from
teams,
but
in
teams
it's
just
a
it's
a
shell
where
we're
kind
of
a
surface,
individual
functionalities
and
applications,
because
it's
all
about
what
is
the
tab
which
you
open
and
that
tab
whatever
it
is,
isn't
its
own
application
again.
So
the
teams
could
be
considered.
That's
the
shell,
the
operating
system
of
the
Krauser,
so
to
say
we're
just
pulling
the
information
from
different
locations.
Yes,.
B
No
right,
because
if
you
would
think
about
it,
that
way
is
you
would
say
okay.
So
what
is
the
difference
between
SharePoint
and
teams,
because
SharePoint
web
parts
pages,
you
could
do
exactly
the
same
thing,
sure
sure
so
I
would
say
it's
like
the
same
I
think
that
the
core,
like
the
core
element
like
SharePoint,
is
pages
and
its
web
teams.
A
A
You
ask
me:
yes,
there
could
be
teams
without
it
and
it's
just
question
of
what
are
you
surface
and
themes
and
what
water,
if
you
think
about
personal
applications,
personal
applications,
a
lot
of
the
examples
which
we
are
showing
don't
necessarily
have
chat,
they're
just
being
exposed
inside
of
the
team's
shell
for
easy
access.
Why.
A
A
A
It's
a
digital
work,
isn't
it
so
everybody
wants
to
own.
That,
is
it
too
slack?
Is
it
teams
whatever
or
in
Outlook
like
while
back
it
was
outlook
which
was
intended
to
be
the
one
which
wasn't
successful,
but
I?
Think
teams
is
in
there
in
the
really
truly
under
on
the
on
the
direction
of
being
successful
with
this
I
think
the
momentum
is
definitely
there
or
what's
your
take
on
that
I
know,
Microsoft
person
so
I.
B
A
B
A
What's
actually
that's
a
really
interesting
discussion,
but
I'm
sorry
I'm,
taking
a
few
minutes
on
this
one,
but
Katya.
What's
did
what's
the
difficult?
What
what
is
the
most
difficult
thing
you
have
been
forced
to
face
as
a
consultant
in
your
day-to-day
work?
What
is
the
thing?
Which
is
the
difficult
thing.
C
C
C
B
A
Is
actually
really
interesting?
Poor,
sorry,
well
that
we
really
interesting
boy
we're
looking
into
right
now,
for
example,
in
a
SharePoint
site,
we're
looking
into
reducing
all
of
the
links
and
complexity
from
the
UX.
Why?
Because
the
stupid
options?
There's
too
many
things,
it's
just
confusing
for
people
there's
so
many
links
if
I
click
that
one
the
gear
icon
there's
like
25
links,
I,
don't
know
what
they
are.
B
A
B
A
B
B
Years,
I
there
are
folks
who
compare
SharePoint
to
medium
or
base
camps
or
order
tools
like
lightweight
single
purpose
tool
that
haven't
been
around
for
that
long.
But
people
crave
this
simplicity,
this
very
simple,
editing,
experience,
I,
don't
need
to
have
20
million
links.
Let
me
just
enter
text
and,
and
complexity
of
that
should
be
hidden
behind
these
Advanced
Options
when
I
need
them,
but
not
be
default.
Experience.
A
Now
I
would
say
related
on
that
when
I
would
say
that,
for
example,
the
Boehner's
sharepoint
pages
and
I'm
happy
to
have
the
feedback
here
as
well,
but
the
modern
pages
and
and
I
think
they're,
quite
intuitive.
The
experience
is
much
better
than
it
was
in
there
and
their
independence.
The
layouting
thing
is
still
something
you.
A
C
B
Are
so
many
different
things
that
are
needed
for
different
things
around
the
canvas
turn
so
yeah,
but
but
it's
exactly,
as
you
say,
one
step
at
a
time.
You
cannot
you're
gonna,
just
change
it
overnight,
but
it's
definitely
great
to
see
Sharon
evolving
from
what
it
used
to
be.
You
know
this
very
server-side,
ASP
driven
model
of
pages
to
a
more
agile
reading
mean
model.
Where,
like
canvas
is
clean,
is
you
can
you?
Can
you
can
type
things?
B
You
can
change
things
and
it's
easy
to
see,
and
it's
not
a
proprietary
model
around
that
you
cannot
really
do
anything
about
because
everything
is
logged
out
now.
It's
it
almost.
You
could
say
good.
It
always
invites
you
to
put
words
on
a
page
to
fill
it
with
stuff,
and
it
looks
good
by
default.
I
know.
C
A
C
B
A
Okay
makes
perfect
sense
and
I,
that's
the
great
timing,
the
stuff
disco
but
Thank
You
Katya
for
joining
us
from
the
middle
of
snow
this
week.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
being
here
and
after
this
week
the
snow
should
be
away,
and
probably
in
northern
Finland
as
well
I
think
that's
the
forecast
and
hoping
crossing
fingers
that
it
gets
warmer
here
as
well,
and
a
cue
ball
that
comes
again
for
being
the
co-host
on
this
one.
A
So
thank
you
for
everybody,
who's,
providing
us
feedback
throughout
the
week
as
well
and
keep
the
feedback
coming
and
if
there's
a
people
who
like
to
see
us
our
visitors,
let
us
know
if
there
are
topics
which
we
should
be
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Let
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