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In this installment of the weekly discussion revolving around the latest news and topics on Microsoft 365, hosts – Vesa Juvonen (Microsoft) | @vesajuvonen and Waldek Mastykarz (Microsoft) | @waldekm are joined by Sweden based MVP and Chief Technical Architect at Advania - Simon Ågren | @agrenpoint. Topics discussed include a transitioning corporate work culture, using Microsoft 365 Maturity Model with customers to measure success, Simon’s contribution to the Microsoft Graph Toolkit and to open source in general. Microsoft and the PnP Community delivered 15 articles in the last week! This session was recorded on Monday, October 25, 2021.
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A
A
That
means
whatever
that
means.
So
anyway,
in
the
bmp
weekly,
we
talk
about
the
latest
in
microsoft,
365
platform,
so
the
latest
news
from
microsoft
and
then
some
community
news
as
well,
not
all
of
them,
but
straight
into
a
few
of
the
points,
and
then
we
typically
have
a
visitor
as
well.
So
this
time
we
have
simon
aucrin
directly
from
sweden,
northern
sweden
actually
and
apparently
there
was
no
on
his
backyard.
B
A
A
C
A
C
For
three
years-
and
it's
still
going
quite
strong
but
yeah
I've
been
taking
some
breaks
now
because
I
have
a
new
role
as
well.
I
started
working
for
advania
advania.
I
don't
know
how
we
say
it
in
english.
I've
only
heard
it
in
swedish
so
and
I
also
work
at
a
specialist
unit
named
knowledge
factory
within
advania.
So
we
try
to
you
know
how
do
you
say
compromise
or
bring
all
the
the
the
best
people
together
and
then
they
have
me
as
well
so
yeah.
C
C
C
Yes,
yes,
so
what
I
do?
I
focus
on
modern
work
and
now
because
we
have
people
for
a
very
long
time
within
knowledge,
factory,
focusing
on
more
infrastructure
and
we
have
people
that
used
to
build
the
adsync
tool
and
have
been
at
microsoft,
and
there
are
big
names
within
that,
but
I
I
didn't
know
them
before,
because
I
come
from
this
other
world.
You
know
and
so
now
we're
focusing
on
modern
work
as
well
and
trying
to
build
a
good
team.
C
So
I've
been
focused
on
recruitment
and
hopefully
we'll
see
some
cool
people
soon,
but
otherwise
I
think
it's
more
about
community
and
governance.
So
you
know
trying
to
build
a
community
internally
for
whole
advania,
but
also
like
governance,
is
more
escalation
routes
for
ice
principles
during
customer
deliveries-
and
you
know
trying
to
click.
How
do
you
say,
create
clarity,
clarity
between
delivering
contracts
and
ensuring
quality
and
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah?
You
know
things
like
that.
So.
A
C
Yeah
I
enjoy
it.
I
I
think
I'm,
like
I
mean
victor
villain,
he's
very
involved,
he's
much
more
involved
than
I
am,
but
I
mean
I
think
I
think
he
does.
The
same
he's
been
more
business
involved
and
but
he
also
likes
to
write
code
a
lot,
and
so
that
is
why
why
I'm
still
office
dev
mvp,
because
I
that
is
how
I
like
to
contribute
when
I
have
time
to
to
contribute
to
the
community,
so
yeah,
yeah
and.
B
C
All
of
them
yeah
all
of
them
yeah,
whatever
could
be
this
or
it
could
be
this
and
I'm
gonna
answer
this.
This
question
in
high
value
complexity,
no,
I'm
just
kidding,
so
it
depends
on
the
people
we
get.
We
we
never
in
not
factory.
We
never!
You
know.
Okay,
we
need
a
person
as
a
project
manager.
Then
we
add
that
person,
because
we
we
try
to
and
we
try
to
add
the
people
that
we
believe
in
that
they
they
are.
You
know
similar
to
the
mvp
mentality
and
things
like
that.
They
have
a.
C
We
have
a
sharing
culture,
humble
people
and
and
then
we
try
to
build
it
around
them.
So
I'd
say
we
used
to
only
work
with
more
the
infrastructure,
the
more
behind
the
scenes,
things
if
and
now
we're
trying
to
come
a
bit
closer
to
the
end
users
and
I'm
thinking
like
we
are
mostly
trusted
advisors,
more
strategic
level,
but
also
you
know,
I'm
seeing
that
we
could
work
with.
C
Like
enterprise
mobility
in
tune,
but
also
want
to
move
into
governance,
the
technical
aspects,
but
also-
maybe
even
you
know,
educating
or
understanding
how
it
is
to
implement
something
in
teams.
So
I
mean
the
end.
Users
and
teams
are
gonna,
use
the
devices,
and
we
need
to
think
about
all
those
things.
How
will
that
experience
be
for
them
as
well
and
yeah.
B
C
I
think
that
I
think
one
hot
thing
is
viva,
like
the
concept
of
viva-
and
you
know
it's
spawned
in
marketing
I'd
say,
but
I
think
it
has
a
huge
potential
and
viva
connections
the
extensibility
there
as
well,
but
I
think
most
of
the
times
now
I
end
up
in
sweden.
You
know
we
have
customers
that
have
they
had.
They
have
a
need
to
be
helped
in
a
strategic
way.
Maybe
like.
Okay
and
oh,
we
have
implemented
microsoft
365.
What
do
we
do
now
are?
C
It
could
be,
you
know,
environment
strategy,
it
could
be
architecting
those
things,
but
as
of
right
now,
I
have
only
been
you
know
able
to
help
them
at
a
strategic
strategic
level.
But
I
depends
on
what
people
we
bring
in
as
well,
because
I
think
there's
a
huge
possibility
to
help
out
and
to
end
more
or
whatever
you
want
to
say
so.
Yeah.
A
Now
you
said
something
really
interesting,
actually
they're
related
on
on
what
customers
are
asking
and-
and
that
comes
up
every
now
and
then
with
the
depending,
of
course
to
who
do
we
talk
to?
But
how
do
you
measure
success?
What
would
be?
Do
you
have
any
tips,
or
is
it
a
component
secrets
on
on
how
do.
A
C
C
You
know
the
areas
that
we
should
focus
on,
depending
on
the
situation
and
and
then
because
you
get
you
get
a
quick
gap
analysis
if
you
kind
of
like
we
are
here,
but
we
want
to
be
here
and
then
you
could
try
to
implement
a
you
know
a
roll-up
plan.
What
should
we
focus
on
first?
How
do
we
get
there?
So
then
you
can
talk
about
this,
but
you
don't
have
to
talk
about
it
in
a
super
technical
way.
You
could
talk
about
it
at
the
roi
roi
level
as
well,
so
yeah.
A
C
Yeah
and
then
we
try
to
dive
into
okay.
What
do
we
do
technically
and
that's
where
I
think
it's
super
good
to
know
as
well?
What
could
we
do
with
teams?
Could
we
bring
in
bots?
Could
we
do
all
those
things
so
I'd
say:
I'm
a
hybrid
in
that
way,
I'm
not
a
solution
architect,
only
working
with
don't
know
not
caring
about
the
technology,
but
I
like
to
bring
it
up
at
the
strategic
strategic
level.
Okay,
we
have
teams
right
now,
that's
good!
Now
we
could
work
with
that,
but
it's
not.
A
It
is
a
community
driven
open
open-source
mentality,
but
in
docs,
and
it
helps
on
on
having
that
strategic
discussion
and
and
and
evaluate
of
or
evaluating
where
the
customer
is
from
a
maturity
level
perspective
so
really
cool
stuff
for
sure.
But
what
you
were
saying
is
it's
actually,
what
we're
more
and
more
seeing
what
our
partners
are
doing
as
well,
which
is
not
just
the
technical
implementation,
because
you
need
to
know
why
you
are
implementing
this
technical
thing.
It
would
be
just
called
invent
stuff,
right
and
and
do
stuff,
but
then
why.
C
C
B
C
I
think
that
it
depends
no,
but
some
are
very
mature
and
I
mean
people
are
tr
are
realizing
that,
because
I've
heard
arguments
that
you
know
you
can't
just
stop
by
someone
like
you
used
to
do
like
okay,
so
waldeck.
You
know
this
thing
to
just
tap
you
on
the
shoulder,
but
you
could.
But
it's
it's
more
of
a
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
generational
thing.
People
are
that
are
super
used
to
chatting.
C
You
know
from
gaming
or
whatever
they're
used
to
hanging
out
in
skype
or
teamspeak
or
whatever,
but
I
think
that
you
know
slowly
slowly.
People
are
realizing
that
I
could
just
hit
someone
up
on
the
chat
real
quickly
and
get
an
answer.
This
is
super
efficient.
I
don't
have
to
have
meetings
all
the
time,
but
and
some
companies
they
still
have
a
problematic
meeting.
C
Parallel
meetings
that
you
could
that
you
should
jump
between,
but
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
potential,
and
that
is
one
thing
that
you
could
you
know
roll
up
something
technically,
but
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
potential
to
help
them
out.
You
know,
findings
finding
these
things
out.
What
are
the
nuggets
here?
What
are
what
are
the
good
things
that
you
could
do
to
increase
productivity,
because
I
think
sometimes
we,
this
is
philosophical
right
now,
but
I
think
sometimes
we
we
confuse
being
busy
as
being
productive.
C
So
we
like
to
keep
busy
all
the
time
yeah
and
you
know
if
you
know
what
to
do.
You
just
do
it,
but
if
you
know
why
you're
doing
it,
you
try
to
do
it
more.
You
try
to
do
it
more
efficiently.
You
try
to
do
less
to
do
your
things,
so
I
think
this
simon
cynic
sonic.
That
said
that,
once
but
yeah
someone
smart
yeah.
C
A
We
certainly-
and
I
guess
that's
part
of
the
maturity
level
of
a
of
the
of
the
employees
or
or
the
the
experience
level
that
are
they're
willing
to
make
decisions,
because
making
the
decision
is,
is
the
key
point
rather
than
delaying
delaying
delaying,
except
in
sweden
where
we
have.
You
have
the
description
culture
but
just
kidding.
I'm
just
kidding.
A
B
Whatever,
on
the
other
hand
like,
I
think
I
think
the
interesting
part
is
also
the
idea
that,
like
there
is
the
work
in
the
office,
there
is
the
hybrid
work,
but
these
two
to
me
are
different
than
asynchronous
work
and
I
think
currently
we're
in
the
stage
where
we
try
to
replicate
synchronous,
work
on
teams
right
so
we're
remote,
but
we
still
try
to
work
synchronously.
So
we
have
meetings.
We
expect
answers
immediately.
The
way
we
organize
our
work.
B
We
need
to
have
answers
immediately
because
otherwise
we're
stuck
so,
I
think,
there's
yet
another
wave
of
work
change
for
us
to
go
through
where
we
really
embrace
asynchronous
work.
So,
like
no
matter
where,
where
you
are,
you
don't
default
to
a
meeting,
don't
default
to.
Let's
talk
about
things
no
like
default
should
actually
be
that
you
choose
to
write
your
thoughts
on
paper
or
in
a
deck
or
whatever,
and
share
that,
and
you
give
every
and
you
share
it
with
everyone
from
whom
you
need
to
have
input.
B
You
give
them
a
day
or
two
to
go
through,
and
then
you
get
back
pros
and
cons
decision
points.
If
any
questions
and
you
come
to
conclusion-
and
there
doesn't
need
to
be
a
secret
thing
like
you
need
to
be
like
that
group
of
folks,
from
whom
you
need
to
have
input-
has
to
be
here
and
now
at
this
point
in
time,
if
you're,
not
there,
you
miss
out,
and
only
then
we
can
make
decision
or
not.
A
One
of
the
challenges,
though,
on
that
kind
of
a
way
of
working,
is
that
the
person
who's
asking
does
that
input
need
to
have
the
experience
enough
to
make
that
decision
based
on
the
input
right.
So
you
and
that's
probably
one
of
the
things
I
could
say
what
we
will
see
in
the
future
more,
whereas,
where
we
start
empowering
and
allowing
people
to
make
those
decisions,
because
it's
it's
better
to
make
a
decision
and
then
make
another
decision
to
correct
that
decision
in
later
firm.
C
Think
that
having
like
having
a
a
second
if
people
could
have
more
seconds
not
seconds
in
time,
but
you
know
if,
if
you
are
away,
then
you
have
someone
that
could
do
your
work,
so
you
overlap
a
little
bit.
I
think
that's
that's
essential
as
well,
so
you
know
we
need
to
allow
people
to
be
able
to
make
decisions,
but
also
have
people
with
you
know
that
complement
each
other,
and
that
also
could
do
your
your
work.
Yeah.
B
Yeah,
and
also,
but
for
that
to
work,
you
also
need
to
work
in
a
way
that
you
get
things
out
of
your
head,
because
if
I
replace
you,
but
everything
is
still
in
your
head,
I
cannot
do
my
work
or
I
cannot
do
your
work
so,
in
other
words
like,
we
need
to
default
more
to
getting
things
out
of
our
head,
putting
them
somewhere
share
them
with
others,
and
even
though
like,
and
that
is
also
an
interesting
thing
right.
We
had
software.
B
B
C
C
I
don't
know
in
general
because
I'm
I
have
a
hard
time
to
write
something
perfect
to
begin
with,
so
I
try
to
just
get
it
out
there
and
then
you
know
reiterate
and
let
people
see
look
at
it
or
me.
Look
at
it
again
or
something
like
that.
So
because
sometimes
it's
just
good
to
get
it
out
there
the
thoughts,
the
ideas
and
then
we
work
from
it.
So
yeah.
C
A
Persona
thing
right:
you
need
to
be
able
to
be
vulnerable
enough
to
put
it
out
there
for
somebody
to
criticize
and
give
feedback,
because-
and
one
thing
on
that,
one
feedback
is-
is
providing
feedback.
It's
not
criticization,
it's
actually
providing
additional
value
and
empowering
the
person
who's,
requesting
the
feedback,
of
course,
but
then
how.
B
A
B
B
B
When
I
hear
about
something
new,
I
need
time
to
go
through
it.
I
need
to
sit
on
it.
I
need
to
think
if
we
are
in
a
meeting,
you
will
get
my
primary
response,
which
will
often
miss
a
lot
of
stuff,
because
you
want
me
to
re,
respond
to
it
in
an
instant
I'm
hearing
about
something
new,
and
you
expect
me
to
know
everything
and
give
you
immediate,
yet
yes
or
no
or
whatever
right.
B
So
in
other
words,
because
if
you
have
people
like
that
on
your
team
and
you
you
probably
do
right,
you
will
not
get
the
most
out
of
your
team,
you
will
miss
out.
You
will
not
be
able
to
use
their
skills
because
you
force
them
to
work
in
a
different
way
than
the
way
they
handle
input
right.
So
you
also
need
to
think
about
that
like
if
you
need
to
be
inclusive
of
that
and
empower
them
to
work
in
the
best
way
right.
C
But
I
think
that's
I
mean.
Essentially
it
comes
back
to
a
very
specific
definition
of
what
we
hear
all
the
time
that
we
need
to
embrace
diversity
we
have
to.
We
can't
create
copies
of
ourselves.
We
need
to
see
that
okay,
vista
is
super
good
at
doing
this
and
working
this
way,
let's,
let's
try
to
use
that
not
enforce
him
to
work
in
some
way.
That
is
not
productive.
That
is
not
happy
and
whatever
so.
B
Yes
well,
it
is.
It
is
right
because,
like
we
used
to
work
in
offices,
what
is
the
first
thing
that
we
do?
We
are
being
forced
to
work
remotely.
So
the
first
thing
that
we
do
is
we
copy
what
we
used
to
do
in
one
form,
online,
lift
and
shape,
bearing
the
fact
that
oh
well,
we're
not
in
the
office
anymore.
People
have
lives,
people
have
their
own
planning,
people
do
different
things,
and
now
we
kind
of
try
to
squeeze
the
same
form
of
work
into
a
different
context
right
and
that.
B
From
easy,
so
with
that
what
I
mean
it's
easy
way
to
do
to
try
to
grasp
to
replicate
what
you
used
to
do
because
you're
familiar
with
that
exactly
so
that
is
the
easy
choice
not
to
try
to
you
know
no,
no,
let's
reset
everything
reassess
our
environment
and
work
with
that.
No,
no!
No!
We
used
to
do
this
there.
Let's
do
the
same
thing
here,
but
not
on
teams
like
really.
A
A
So
I
guess
we'll
see
the
transition
to
happen
sooner
or
later,
but
as
an
example,
my
wife
used
to
work
at
the
office
before
the
situation
happened
one
or
two
days
remotely,
and
now
they
have
a
completely
new
role,
which
is
once
a
month
on
office
which
is
like
well,
okay,
that's
pretty
cool.
So
the
way
of
the
situation
then
forcing
the
companies
to
adapt
because
nobody
wants
to
go
back
in
the
in
the
previous
work
model.
A
B
A
Again
on
the
company,
not
every
single
company
needs
to
work
asynchronously
because
they're
not
expected
to
work
as
synchronously,
because
they're
basically
expected
to
be
in
a
certain
time
frame
available
in
our
work.
Of
course,
what
we
do
it's
different
and
the
blue
color
people
completely
different
again
from
them.
C
It
depends
on
your
context
and
it
depends
on
on
you
know
how
available
available
you.
You
need
to
be
during
those
time,
and
I
mean
that
goes
into
what
you
were
saying
well
like
that.
Maybe
you
don't
need
to
be
available
at
those
times,
but
let's
say
you
are,
but
you
know
when
I
was
coding
more.
I
you
know
I
was
during
this
pre-summer
I
would
say,
and
I
I
could
just
no.
I
can't
get
any
work
done.
A
C
Fishy
because
I
mean
it
makes
no
sense
really
to
just
sit
there
and
just
you
know,
you
know
when
you,
you
can't
get
stuff
done
and
you're
like
yeah.
Let's
go,
I
should
take
a
break,
but
now
I'm
I'm
a
zombie
and
after
a
mess,
the
entire,
the
entire
evening,
then
you're
like
lying
in
the
sofa
and
in
the.
C
A
A
That
is
recording,
so
that's
good.
What
we
also
wanted
to
touch
is
your
contributions
on
microsoft,
craft
toolkit,
because
you
actually
did
a
pretty
important
new
contribution
on
the
craft
toolkit
quite
recently,
can
you
talk
about
that
one,
and
why
did
you
do
that?
You
worked
for
free
for
microsoft.
What's
with
this.
C
That
is
a
cool
thing,
because
I
wrote
about
it
and
like
I,
I
like
the
complexity
of
it,
but
I
like
all
the
all
the
things
happening
inside
of
them,
and
then
I
just
saw
that
you
know
single
sign-on
in
teams.
Finally,
here
how
could
we
implement
this?
So
then
I
just
I
just
talked
to
nicole
and
I
was
like
okay.
What
do
you
think?
Should
I
just
look
at
it?
C
Yeah
sure
look
at
it
and
then
we
started
having
it
took
a
lot
of
time
because
we
needed
to
change
it
55
times
because
of
reasons
to
integrate
it
with
the
themes
toolkit
and
then
where's.
The
new
teams
took
it.
There
were
some
decisions
with
identity.
What
could
we
do?
What
can't
we
do,
but
then
we
started
having
you
know,
weekly
meetings,
just
hanging
out
talking
about
the
code.
C
You
know
pair
programming.
I
showed
my
decisions
I
made
and
then
finally,
we
decided
to
you
know,
do
a
new
version
of
it
that
was
using
msl2.
So
we
got
it
a
little
bit
safer
but
at
the
same
time
to
make
sure
it
was
built
on
the
the
old
one.
So
we
could
use
it
both
with
single
sign-on
and
without
single
sign-on
and
try
to
make
it
flexible
for
the
for
the
user
or
the
developer,
to
use
it
and
yeah.
That's
basically
the
story
and
now.
A
C
Wow
memory
works,
I
think
it's
good.
I
mean
I
mean
we
could
always
discuss
what
is
a
safe,
backend
whatever,
but
I
think
it's
cool
that
you
could
use
any
backend.
You
like
you
could
use
something
in
net
core.
You
could
use
say
you
know
something
in
typescript
or
node
whatever
you
want
to
use
basically
and
it
works
I'd
say
if
you
know
how
to
implement
it.
C
Right,
yeah,
you
know
the
graph
toolkit
is
it's
all
about
making
it
very
easy
for
the
for
the
developer
right.
So
it's
it's
not
hard
when
you,
when
you
implement
it,
there
are
all
a
couple
of
things
that
we
always
need
to
do
when
it
comes
to
teams
development
right
and
when
we
want
to
test
it
and
all
those
things,
but
I
mean
you
could
use
it
now
in
your
teams.
You
could
use
it
in
the
in
the
teams
toolkit.
C
You
could
use
it
in
your
own
implementation,
so
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
powerful
and
it
also
gives
a
really
good
end
user.
You
know
experience
when
you
don't
have
to
log
in
while
you're
being
in
in
teams,
because
all
the
all
the
third
party
or
all
the
applications
have
bought
whatever
you
know.
It's
a
third
party
application
so
yeah.
That
was
the
thought
that
you
need
some
security
around
it
right.
So
you
need
to
log
in.
B
C
A
C
B
C
B
C
You
know
I,
when
I
see
something
good.
I
really
want
to
share
it
with
other
people
as
well,
because
they
could
they
could
use
it
possibly
and
helping
out
with
something
like
this
that
is
being
consumed
by
many
people.
It's
it's
fulfilling
fulfilling.
I
would
say,
and-
and
I
also
like
you
know-
sometimes
when
you
get
into
the
coding-
because
it's
not
that
often
I
could
sit
there
for
hours
and
just
you
know
think
about
these
things
being
in
the
zone
and
and
just
having
fun
with
it.
A
C
And
I
also
want
to
keep
track
on
things.
You
know
what's
happening
inside
of
identity,
and
I
mean
identity
is
big,
but
it's
not
trivial
I'd
say
so
it's
it's
really
good
to
know.
What's
happening
with
amsoil
and
things
like
that
as
well
and
what's
happening
with,
you
know
all
our
freeing
works,
because
I
I
think
it's
great
to
know
what's
possible
and
what's
not
possible
and
and
why
you
should
do
things
why
you
shouldn't
do
things,
because
it's
give.
C
A
All
of
the
identity
and
azure
stuff
is
basically
what
how
we
enable
and
build
stuff
to
m365.
So,
therefore,
understanding
the
whole
stack
is
is
quite
important
for
sure
now.
I
think
we
gone
over
time
again,
so
it
would
have
been
really
awesome.
A
little
awesome
to
continue
discussion,
but
I
guess
it's
it's
better
to
close
up,
so
we
don't
have
to
cut
down
the
discussion
either,
but
thank
you,
simon
for
joining
us
on
on
this
discussion,
really
good
to
catch
up
as
well.
It's
it's
been
a
while.
A
A
C
A
Actually
seeing
people
is
super
important,
that's
what
the
co-op
summit
is
all
about.
It's
not
even
necessarily
sitting
in
the
in
the
sessions.
It's
it's
all
about
meeting
and
networking
and
meeting
people,
because
I
think
everybody
has
been
waiting
for
creating
for
the
time
of
meeting
people.
The
south
coast,
south
coast
summit
was
two
weeks
ago
and
everybody
was
providing
a
lot
of
good
feedback
around
actually
meeting
people
so
yeah,
but
anyway.
Thank
you,
simon
for
joining.
A
I
will
catch
up
more
in
dusseldorf
for
sure
and
thank
you
waldek
again
joining
on
this
one
and
and
we'll
flip
actually
back
on
the
articles
right
after
this.
Thank
you
cheers
thank
you,
simon,
bye
cool.
So
thank
you,
simon
one
more
time
and
like
fifth
time's,
already
saying
that,
but
thank
you
for
a
really
good
discussion.
I
think
it
was
really
cool
discussion
related
on
and,
let's
say,
the
transition
of
the
work
and
how
most
likely
we'll
see
another
big
change.
Sooner
or
later.
B
I
think
yeah
yeah,
so
I'm
trying
to
remember
title,
I
think
there's
one
from
the
the
founders
of
base
camp,
okay
and
I
think
it's
called
re
remote.
That
is
one
and
then
another
one
was,
I
think,
also
from
them.
I
think
it
was
called
something
like
it
doesn't
need
to
be
crazy
in
the
office,
something
along
these
lines.
So
I
think
like
like
these
are
two
that
stayed
in
my
mind,
the
most
when
I
think
about
asynchronous
work
and.
B
Thank
you.
Well,
it's
remote,
I
wouldn't
say
it's
always
the
synchronous,
because
we
have
our
fair
share
of
meetings
and
like.
If
you
ask
me
personally,
I
try
to
work
asynchronously
as
much
as
I
can,
because
I
don't
want
like.
I
acknowledge
that
that
we
are
across
the
world,
like
my
team,
spans
from
hawaii
on
one
hand
to
australia
in
the
other
yep
they're
critical,
there's,
no
actually
they're,
not.
B
There
are
three
hours
away,
but
on
a
different
day,
yeah,
like
the
gap,
isn't
that
much
it's
almost
the
same
time,
but
it's
different
day.
It
was
like
it's
weird
right,
but
either
way
like
I
tried
to
the
way
I
work,
I
try
to
plan
as
few
calls
as
I
can,
because,
like
we,
I
acknowledge
that
that
just
the
same
way,
I
prefer
not
to
stay
until
11
p.m
or
2
a.m.
In
calls,
I
don't
want
others
to
do
that
too,
and
there's
nothing.
B
I
require
like
there's
nothing
in
my
word
that
requires
people
to
like
meet
face
to
face
really
like
or
or
or
meet,
live
like
to
be
anywhere
at
given
point
in
time.
No,
I
can
get
my
ideas
on
paper
and
have
them
go
through.
It
provide
their
feedback
and
comments,
and
we
can
work
that
way,
but
it
just
requires
this
mind,
shift
that
you
need
to
get
whatever
you
have
on
your
mind
on
paper,
get
clarity
to
find
what
is
the
the
objective
open
things
to
get
all
of
that
out
right
so
like
that
is.
B
A
Yeah,
that's
true,
that's
true
and
well.
A
good
example
in
my
case
is
that
I
work
like
like
sent
during
the
interview.
I've
worked
with
the
teams
in
china,
india
and
then
in
britain
and
then
trying
to
find
a
matching
time,
for
everybody
is
pretty
much
impossible.
So
it's
just
exactly
it's
really
really
hard,
but
something
what
I
was
saying
really
closely,
because
I'm
mentoring,
those
development
teams
which
are
being
established
in
in
china
and
india
is
the
trying
to
provide
them
the
trust
and
then
empowering
them
to
make
their
own
decisions.
A
Because
there's
there's
an
understandable
reason.
We
we,
as
a
microsoft,
we
have
a
headquarters
in
britain
and
there's
with
the
things,
are
getting
lit
and
basically
requested
then
from
this
developer
center.
So
there's
this
understandable.
We
need
to
get
everything
approved,
but
do
you
really
need
to
get
every
single
thing
approved?
Can
you
make
those
decisions
by
yourself
and
then
report
on
a
monthly
basis
or
bi-weekly
related
on
the
progress?
So
communication
absolutely
is
still
important,
but
do
you
really
really
need
to
make
all
of
the
decisions
done
by
a
separate
authority?
B
Yeah
and
again
and
again,
even
then
right
so
imagine
that
you
for
one
reason
or
another,
you
need
to
have
a
call
to
get
decision
on
something.
Like
I
recall
once
I
managed
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
ahead
of
them,
I
mean
right.
So
let's
say
I
would
need
a
decision
by
the
end
of
the
week,
so
I
planned
a
meeting
with
a
group
of
folks
on
wednesday
a
week
before
that
I
shared
with
them
a
powerpoint
that
had
the
idea,
three
options
pros
and
cons
and
what
I
recommend.
B
Basically,
we
met
on
wednesday
for
like
five
or
ten
minutes,
because
everybody
pre-read
everything
like
it
might
have
been
as
well
emailed,
but
it's
like.
Sometimes
you
want
to
see
people.
Maybe
they
want
to
ask
stuff
or
maybe,
but
the
whole
meeting
was
really
short,
because
everyone
knew
everything
people
will
brief.
They
had
a
chance
to
go
through
it
to
think
about
it,
share
their
ambitions
so,
like
the
meeting
was
really
short.
A
B
B
A
So
it's
basically
you
go
there
and
you
authenticate
against
the
tenant,
which
you
then
operate
against,
and
teams
toolkit
and
v2
is
is
among
other
things
is
talking
with
this
one
as
well.
So
it's
all
getting
kind
of
integrated
key
point
to
understand
here
is
that
it's
actually
is
deprecating,
also
the
app
studio.
So
the
app
studio
is
going
to
go
away
in
the
microsoft
themes,
and
this
is
replacement
of
that
one.
So
really
cool
stuff
from
karthik
and
the
theme
related
to
implementation
so
awesome
stuff.
A
Now
the
next
news
was
around
developing
real-time
collaboration,
apps
with
azure,
microsoft,
365
power
platform
and
github.
That's
a
really
cool
combination
for
super
cool
things
getting
tied
in
together
in
a
story
line
and
to
explain
how
to
build
real
time
collaborative
apps
and
then
walling
is
is
basically
have
the
the
intro
of
the
event
which
is
happening
on
october
26th.
So
actually,
on
the
day
when
this
video
should
be
released
because
it's
20
yes,
now
we
also
announced
the
sharepoint
framework
1.13
going
ga
so
extended.
A
Microsoft,
developer
connection
is
now
p8,
which
is
really
really
good.
One
point
here
just
to
note
so
the
viva
connection
isn't
yet
g8.
So
the
platform
is
now
g8
which
a
bit
of
confusing
confusing,
but
you
can
already
build
vivo
connection,
extensibility
and
then
vivo
connection
will
go
to
a
within
matter
of
weeks
or
days.
So
pretty
soon.
A
A
So
that's
available
free
learning
to
get
started
on
doing
this
on
stuff
with
the
handstand
labs
and
all
of
that
also
referencing,
two
videos
so
really
cool
video
overview,
video
from
ed
everett,
my
manager,
explaining
what
is
the
vivo
connection,
extensibility
options
and
then
patrick
rota's,
absolutely
spot-on,
video
on
showing
the
different
techniques
how
to
get
started
on
building
those
adaptive
card
components.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
deep
linking
to
the
microsoft
themes,
application
and
all
of
that's
because
weaver
connection,
adaptive
cards
is
kind
of
a.
I
would
have
got
it.
A
Now
this
was
interesting.
It
took
a
while
for
us
to
actually
figure
out
what
was
this?
What
how
tree
makers,
two
deaths
and
a
princess
came
together
to
save
kittens
for
a
hackathon,
so
a
bit
of
a
complex
scenario,
not
really
when
you
actually
understand
that.
But
basic
idea
here
is
that
the
volunteers
who
are
driving
in
the
uk
when
they're
seeing
a
petrol
station,
they
can
use
the
flick
button
to
indicate
which
petrol.
A
For
for
what
for
saving
volunteers
for
saving
for
safety?
Yes,
so
that's
a
good
one
volunteers
for
saving
kittens
as
they
go
through
the
uk
hunt,
saving
kittens
they
need
petrol
so
and
then
they
need
to
know
which
gas
station
has
petrol,
because
there's
the
petrol
shortage,
yeah
so
yeah,
obviously,
pretty
far-fetched
kind
of
a
scenario,
but
actually
really
cool
technology
is
combined
with
the
with
the
dataverse
and
of
our
automate
and
all
of
that
stuff.
A
So
really
really
cool
implementation
for
sure,
and
then,
eventually,
you
can
actually
see
which
of
the
which
of
the
virtual
stations
have
fuel
and
which
dot,
based
on
the
reports
from
this
massive
fleet
of
people
who
are
saving
cats.
So
I
I
love
the
fact
that
there's
even
a
a
logo
designed
for
this
application,
of
course,.
B
A
B
The
last
week
we
released
new
version
of
cli
from
microsoft.
365
is
the
version
4.1.
The
most
important
feature
is
the
ability
to
upgrade
your
sharepoint
framework
projects
to
the
version
113,
which
allows
you
then
to
make
use
of
the
new
improvements
to
build
for
viva
connections
and
then,
along
with
that,
we
introduced
some
minor
improvements.
We
introduced
a
command
to
update
information
about
users
in
80,
so
with
that,
I
would
encourage
you
to
upgrade
give
it
a
try
and
there's
also
a
link
that
takes
you
to
the
full
release,
notes,
yep.
A
A
Yes,
exactly
so
it's
safe
thing
to
test
out
and
understand
the
needed
steps,
which
is
so
it
doesn't
all
of
a
sudden.
It
doesn't
go
and
start
modifying
your
solution,
structure
and
you're
freaking
out,
but
hey
what's
happened
exactly
now.
This
one
is
really
good
from
simon
doy
connecting
sharepoint
online
on-premises
databases
with
sharepoint
framework,
and
this
is
actually
quite
classic
scenario
so
to
say
so.
How
would
I
surface?
A
Now,
the
classic
alternative
way
of
doing
this,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
this
one.
This
is
completely
valid
and
and
alternative
option,
though,
would
be
to
replicate
the
needed
on-premises
data
or
test
the
reporting
data
to
an
azure
sql
database,
and
then,
therefore,
the
connectivity
is
from
the
cloud
to
cloud
rather
than
cloud
on-prem.
So.
B
A
Right,
so
it's
not
only
read
it's
already
exactly
that's
true
yeah,
that
is
true,
yeah
the
replication
style
on
writing
back,
wouldn't
really
be
that
useful.
But
if
you're
presenting
data,
I
guess
it's
a
bit
of
a
saver
but
safer
way
of
doing
that.
But
again
it
depends
on
the
scenario
but
really
good
to
get
the
storyline
included
so
really
cool
stuff.
Then
there
will
say
a
blog
post
from
arun
menon
actual
cultural
issue
when
using
cli
from
microsoft,
365
work
around.
You
can
actually
talk
about
this
one
right.
B
Yeah,
so
since
a
while,
you
can
use
cli
from
microsoft
365
in
the
azure
outshell,
which
is
a
great
way
to
use
cli
directly
in
browser.
You
don't
need
to
install
anything
it's
just
there.
There
is
the
caveat,
though
azure
cloud
shell
uses
node
v8,
which
is
pretty
old
by
now,
and
unfortunately,
the
version
of
cli
that
is
available
now
doesn't
work
with
node
v8.
A
B
A
But
it's
still
eight,
it's
pretty
old.
Eight
is
really
old.
Yeah
now
now,
laura
rogers
had
a
really
cool
blog
post
connect,
modern
sharepoint
web
parts,
classic
actual
scenario
which
has
been
supported
for
quite
a
long
time.
But
it's
it's
something.
What
people
don't
necessarily
even
understand
that
they
can
do
so.
You
can
easily
connect
with
parts
in
the
sharepoint
or
viva
connection
and
then
do
a
a
kind
of
a
lookups
and
actually
selecting
and
filtering
between
the
web
parts
as
well.
A
So
you
can
actually
build
quite
interesting
and
cool
looking
scenarios,
for
example,
selecting
a
file
on
the
left
side
and
then
showing
that
on
the
right
side.
So
there's
a
lot
of
options
available
on
those
web
parts
and
it's
been
supported
for
quite
a
long
time,
but
it's
also
pretty
well
hidden
between
on
the
on
the
three
dots
so
and
there's
also
a
video
available
for
showing
that
as
well,
so
really
cool
stuff,
then
mark
the
anderson
from
swim
process
consulting
had
a
sparsely
populated
sharepoint,
complex
column
and
power
bi.
A
So
one
if
we
want
to
surface
power,
bi
reports
from
a
sharepoint
list
data.
So
how
do
we
actually
get,
for
example,
to
display
name
or
display
value
explicitly
from
a
complex
column
types?
So
that's
that's.
Basically
what
this
is
all
about:
sound
complex
column
types
thing
in
person
manuscript
when
it's
metadata,
lookup
and
location,
because,
as
an
example
of
the
personal
group
field,
type
has
identity,
it
has
the
the
account
information
and
then
the
display
title
information
in
the
same
column.
So
it's
kind
of
a
if
you
just
do
it
to
string.
A
A
So,
finally,
this
is
now
doable
when,
whenever
we
started
it
myself,
it's
pretty
complex
to
get
the
authentication
bits
and
pieces
in
place
right
so
yeah
we
are
getting
there.
Maybe
at
some
point
we
don't
need
to
worry
about
the
single
sign-on
and
authentication
or
identity.
It
will
just
magically
work.
That
would
be
the
ideal
world.
Now
liam
clearly
had
a
two
different
blog
posts
so
related
to
microsoft,
graph,
powershell
and
so
backticks
versus
splatting
versus
class
objects.
A
So
basically,
what
are
the
different
ways
advance
one
of
the
different
ways
of
setting
values
or
creating
objects
or
creating
information
using
the
microsoft
graph
powershell?
So
here
we
can
see
new
user
display,
name
being
and
then
here's
the
the
actual
new
user
being
used
as
a
parameter
or
as
an
object.
So
how
do
you
do
all
of
these
things
as
say
in
the
when
you're
using
the
powershell
craft
powershell?
How
is
your
craft
publisher,
craft.
A
So
he's
he's
doing
a
really
good
job
on
on
now,
writing
down
the
learnings
and
understanding
how
things
are
working
with
the
microsoft
graph,
powershell,
sdk,
so
really
cool,
stuff,
yeah
and
then
two
videos,
one
from
paolo,
related
on
adaptive
card
extensions
and
data,
binding,
he's
now
running
through
this
or
pretty
awesome
actually,
instead
of
videos
focusing
on
on
the
microsoft
eba
connection,
extensibility
explicitly
for
the
mobile
experience,
so
there's
a
lot
of
five
to
six
to
ten
minute
videos
where
he's
explaining
those
different
concepts
so
really
really
cool
stuff.
For
sure.
A
Let's
say
there
was
a
video
there
was:
where
was
it?
Where
was
it
there?
We
go
so
basically
showing
how
to
tie
into
a
list
data
and
then
surfacing
that
inside
of
an
ace
one
thing
to
go
out,
maybe
here
for
those
who
are
not
super
familiar
with
the
with
the
aces
is
that
aces
are
intended
to
be
used
through
mobile.
So
that's
why
this
kind
of
a
rendering
looks
a
bit
strange,
maybe
if
you're
not
familiar
with
the
with
the
implementation.
A
Okay,
why
looks
good
looks
good
for
me
ship
it
and
then
the
last
video
was
from
april
dunham
a
really
good
video
related
on
how
to
build
3d
power,
apps
people
picker
with
office
365
users.
So
she
had
a
video
recently
related
on
how
to
make
things
look
prettier
or
pretty
in
power
apps,
and
then
this
one
focuses
on
building
that
pretty
people
bigger
control
in
powerapps
to
make
things
look
nicer
and,
as
you
are
selecting
a
user
and
then
using
that
user
in
your
application,
it's
a
really
good
podcast
as
well.
A
Sorry,
really
good
video
as
well.
That's
right,
but
that's
it
for
this
week,
what
we're
going
to
go
through.
Obviously,
there
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
other
articles
and
things
happening
as
well
internally.
We
can
pretty
much
expect
now
this
week
to
be
a
bit
more
quieter
because
it's
ignite
next
week,
so
everybody
is
waiting
for
for
that
to
happen.
So
we'll
see
what
we're
going
to
do
next
week
on
next
monday
on
the
pmp
weekly,
what's
happening
on
your
side,
anything
interesting
this
week.
A
B
Yeah,
as
I
said,
we
shipped
already
the
the
learning
path,
so
the
next
part
is
to
reach
out
actually
to
you
to
all
of
you
to
hear
from
you
whether
you
like
it,
whether
there's
anything
that
we
can
improve
and
what's
most
important.
What
would
you
like
us
to
add
next
right?
Are
there
features
in
the
way
you
build
extensions?
B
Is:
are
there
specific
things
that
you
would
like
to
learn
more
about,
because
the
cool
thing
about
it
is
that
a
learning
path
gives
you
this
structured
way
to
learn
right.
So
there
are
blog
post
videos
that
give
you
the
quick
insight
into
the
features
or
the
specific
things
like
if
you're
interested
about.
How
do
I
do
x?
How
do
I
do
this
specific
one
thing,
but
if
you
want
to
have
a
bigger
overview,
I
think
a
learning
path
is
a
great
way
to
learn
it.
B
B
A
And
and
getting
for
me,
it's
been
the
spf
x
1.13,
getting
that
one
out
and
now
then,
following
up
on,
if
there's
any
issues
on
that
one
and
then
setting
up
1.14
preview
is
coming
quite
soon
as
well.
So
because
we
already
know
there's
new
stuff,
which
is
still
bending
there,
which
we
delayed
there
intentionally
to
avoid
issues
well,
avoid
too
many
things
happening
in
1.14,
so
yeah.
That's
that
should
be
good
ignite,
of
course,
call
up
summit
preparations
need
to
get
started
so
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
stuff.
A
B
It
is,
it
is
absolutely,
and
I
guess
at
times
at
times
it's
it's
interesting
yeah.
I
think
the
other
day
I
talked
to
somebody
where
I
said
like
it
comes
very
much
in
waves
right
I
mean
there
are
times
where
you're
busy
and
you
don't
you
basically
don't
look
beyond
the
pile
of
work.
You
have
immediately
now
because
it's
so
much
so
you
don't
even
think
about
tomorrow,
because
you
know
you're
doing
x,
you're
doing
this
and
then
at
some
point,
you're
done
and
you're
like
okay.
What
am
I
doing
next?
B
A
True,
that's
true!
That
is
true
anyway,
so
I
guess
that's
fine
for
this
one.
Thank
you
simon
one
more
time
for
joining
us
today.
That
was
a
really
good
discussion
would
have
actually
would
have
been
really
good.
We
need
to
get
you
back
or
we
need
to
have
a
continue
that
discussion
and
call
up
summit,
syndromelessly,
fair
point,
careful.