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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
I. Approval of Actions from the February 8, 2022, Meeting
II. Mapco update
III. Sign Committee for Spring 2022
1. Melissa Bailey
2. James Long
3. Carole King
IV. Awards update
A
A
A
A
E
E
I
discussed
with
the
arb
how
they
would
like
to
proceed
because
at
the
december
meeting,
when
mapco
made
their
presentation,
the
arb
tabled
the
decision
based
on
that
submission
and
get
gave
them
and
asked
them
to
resubmit.
With
revisions
in
january
or
february,
when
the
february
deadline
came
around,
they
requested
a
delay,
and
I
told
them
that
I
would
have
to
ask
the
board
that
we
could
grant
the
delay
for
february.
But
I
would
have
to
ask
the
arb
how
they
would
like
to
proceed.
E
E
Number
three
is
that
you
all
have
the
power
to
recommend
historic,
designation
to
city
council
and
there's
a
process
for
that
number.
Four
is
now
that
you
have
the
authority
to
recommend.
Revocation
of
that
and
again
it
would
be
loss
of
those
integral
issues
that
rendered
it
historically
in
the
first
place,
so
process
in
reverse
meets
criteria
no
longer
meets
the
criteria
would
be
that
so
it's
her
opinion
that
the
city
council
does
not
have
the
legal
authority
to
remove
property
that
was
not
individually
designated
on
its
own.
E
E
F
F
E
The
designation
to
recommend,
revocation
of
the
whole
thing,
cutting
up
just
not
an
option
right.
There
is
no
opt
out
because
to
opt
out
I
mean
the
the
point
of
designation
is
long-term
protection
so
that,
regardless
of
ownership,
it
carries
with
it
that
protection.
So
if
you
get
a
new
neighbor,
they
can't
just
decide
that
they
want
to
opt
out
and
pave
over
their
front
yard
in
blacktop
and
pop
in
vital
windows
that
are
a
third
the
size
of
the
original
windows.
E
E
Right,
you
know
it's
it's
how
the
neighborhoods
hold
together
collectively
and
we
did
not
impose
historic
designation
on
any
of
these
districts.
It
was
requested.
You
know
there
was.
There
was
a
process
for
designation
that
until
recently
required
owner
consent
and
all
of
our
districts
were
designated
under
a
75
owner
consent
provision
because
they
they
expect
us
to
protect
them
from
certain
things.
D
C
E
It
would
well
it
could.
It
might
also
send
a
message
that
it's
okay
for
me
to
nitpick
you
over
your
door
replacement,
but
if
mapco
wants
to
come
in
and
do
what
they
want
anything
goes.
You
know
that
residents
who
have
made
those
kind
of
incremental
and
long-term
in
improvements
and
investments
in
their
neighborhood-
and
you
know
some
of
these
folks-
don't
have
a
lot.
They
don't
have
a
lot
of
means
to
undo
some
of
the
things
they've
done
or
have
the
means
to
do
some
of
the
things.
E
The
way
they
need
to
do
them
right
away
and
we're
talking
about
an
entity
that
has
the
capacity
they've
got
architects
on
staff.
They
have
the
capacity
to
come
up
with
a
building
program
that
could
fit
because
they've
never
been
told
you
can't
build
here.
They
have
been
told
if
you
want
to
build
here,
there's
a
better
way
to
do
it
right
and
that's
that's
where
our
disconnect
seems
to
be.
E
Well,
I
hope
that
a
whole
bunch
of
people
will
show
up
at
city
council
next
week.
So
when
the
council
president
says
this
is
a
public
hearing,
if
there's
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
this,
that
the
whole
room
stands
up,
not
that
I
expect
the
whole
room
to
speak,
but
just
a
show
of
support
for
cottage
hill,
because
rob's
right,
you
know,
we've
got
an
issue
in
capitol
heights
right
now
where,
if
this
goes,
I've
got
a
problem
child
over
there
who's
going
to
make
a
lot
of
noise
to
opt
out.
E
We've
got
a
corner
in
the
garden
district
that
for
years
we
have
told
you're
not
going
to
cross
court
street
to
develop
the
corner
at
fairview,
because
it's
residential
and
anything
is
anything
could
go
there.
You
know
we
talked
before
about
how
important
our
edges
are.
You
know
preventing
that
erosion
at
the
at
the
edges
of
our
districts
and,
frankly,
montgomery
deserves
better.
F
Well,
you've
you've
presented
them
with
those
options.
Yes,
and
I
don't
think
I
hear
it
fall
back
on
the
existing
building.
You
know
the
stern
brothers
that
I
mean
like
oh
well,
that's
not
historic.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
it's
not
about
saving
that
building
it's
about
not
putting
a
map
co
on
that
piece
of
property,
I
mean
not
putting
that
design
of
a
map.
Co
on
that
piece
of
property.
F
E
Right
and
having
a
better
presentation
toward
the
residential
portion
of
the
neighborhood,
because
when
you
go
north
to
clay
street,
you've
got
new
construction
and
you've
got
a
lot
of
offices.
It's
not
most
of
it
is
not
residential,
which
is
why
we
suggested
they
turn
their
site
plan.
90
degrees.
Give
us
a
storefront
on
heron
street,
put
the
pumps,
the
noise
and
the
light
pollution
away
from
the
residents
on
heron
and
martha,
and
because
we
don't
have
any
information
on
lighting,
we
don't
have
any
information
on
signage.
B
E
E
E
C
Stamp
of
a
taco
bell,
the
district
and
the
city
went
with
the
district.
They
fought
it
taco
bell,
wound
up,
renovating
the
spanish
style
home
that
they
wanted
to
tear
down
and
it
became
their
top
grossing
restaurant
of
the
entire
chain
and
they
brag
about
it
annually
in
their
annual
report
on
how
they
preserved
it,
and
there
was
another
example
of
chick-fil-a
doing
the
same
thing
with
the
they
wanted
to
level
a
lot
and
building
that
was
there.
C
The
historic
district
fought
it,
they
renovated
the
building
existing
building
and
they
didn't
say
that
it
was
their
most
successful
restaurant,
but
they
went
with
it
and
it
thrives,
but
I
don't
understand
why
they
just
can't
like
you
said
they
have
the
architects
on
hand
just
make
the
changes.
Why
do
they
have
to
put
their
cookie
cutter?
E
A
F
F
E
B
F
I
think
we
should
make
an
official
statement,
you
know
and
then
vote
on
it,
in
other
words,
and
then,
if
we
want
to
contact
our
appointed
or
the
person
who
appointed
us
to
would
that
be
prior
meeting
pre-meeting
or
after
I
would
say
it
would
be
pre-meeting.
It
needs
to
be
in
the
next
couple
of
days.
I
would
say
so
right
contact
whoever
it
is.
E
A
D
E
Of
them,
don't
don't
understand,
don't
care
there.
There
have
been
some
work
sessions
where
someone
back
when
people
could
appeal
to
council
where
people
you
know
someone
from
district
six
is
like.
I
don't
understand
why
you're
telling
these
people
what
they
can
do
with
their
property?
Well,
because
they're
in
a
historic
they
don't
they
don't
it's
not
something
they
have
to
deal
with.
They
don't
understand
it,
but.
F
B
E
D
B
D
B
B
F
B
F
D
B
D
D
But
I
can,
if
the
commission
would
like
me
to
I'm
not
as
versed
in
it
and
knowledgeable.
So
I
don't
know
if
I'm
the
you
know
the
person
to
do
so.
I
mean,
if
I'm
just
reading
the
letter-
and
you
know
our
statement,
I'm
sure
I
could
do
that,
but
yeah
just
to
say
that
you
know
you
represent
that
community.
E
E
D
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E
F
E
F
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F
And,
like
you
said
across
the
street,
to
the
south
is
already
an
empty
filling
station
slab
right,
so
filling
stations
notoriously
have
a
life
span.
So
what
kind
of
a
contribution
is
to
this?
Because
the
folks
have
been
up
in
cottage
hills
since
74
74
75,
I
think,
was
when
it
was
designated,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
had
that
had
that
kind
of
investment
up
there.
E
F
A
E
F
A
B
A
D
D
If
we
have
a
representative,
I
think
it
she
reads
it
later.
It
should
be
either
you
dr
bailey
carol
or
mr
long
for
for
a
number
of
reasons.
Carol
has
a
long
and
extensive
background
historical
preservation
and
of
coral.
He
can
speak
eloquently
about
that
same
as
you
and
then
mr
long
has
the
legal
perspective.
A
D
A
F
D
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F
A
D
D
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D
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C
D
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D
A
D
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D
E
A
E
All
have
your
packets
by
some
miracle.
I
got
them
done
this
afternoon
after
I
forgot
to
take
pictures.
When
I
was
out
last
friday,
I
got
to
go
back
out
monday,
so
you
all
have
a
memo:
the
criteria
for
signs
and
a
write-up
on
the
submissions.
There
are
two
houses
and
one
request
to
replace
signs
on
south
capitol
parkway,
none
of
them.
We
had
some
problem
children
last
time
or
two
times
ago.
We
don't
have
that
this
time,
it's
pretty
straightforward.
A
D
E
E
I
don't
know
I
wouldn't
say
that
awards
programs
are
going
the
way
of
the
dodo,
but
they
they
certainly
there
seems
to
be
waves
of
activity
and
we
don't
have,
I
guess,
with
the
pandemic.
I
don't
know
of
anything
that
completed
last
year.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
in
progress,
but
they're
not
finished
so.
D
E
F
On
that
or
something
else
period,
oh,
I
was
just
gonna.
We,
our
preservation
leadership,
will
be
in
its
third
year.
You've
got
a
flyer
at
your
desk.
Landmarks
is
putting
it
together
this
year.
So
if
you
have
done
it
in
the
past,
the
agenda
is
different,
so
you
know
don't
think,
because
you've
come
the
last
two
a
year
or
two
that
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
different
speakers,
a
lot
of
different
information
and
activities
as
well.
It's
a
six
weeks.
F
F
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D
E
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E
Well,
the
all
the
ceilings
were
water
damaged
because
the
roof
leaked
in
every
room
and
the
plaster
bulged
down.
It
looked
like
aliens
getting
ready
to
give
birth,
but
I
I've
been
so
I've,
I'm
the
plaster
patcher,
and
I
did
one
and
I
painted
a
corner
in
a
room
last
weekend
and
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
back.
My
patch
looks
so
good,
then
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
back
and
put
fake
cracks
through
it.
So
you
can't
tell
it's
patched
because
it
looks
better
than
the
rest
of
the
ceiling.
E
A
A
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Any
commission
has
anything
going
like
to
address
this
prizes
of
any
other.
Commissioner,
okay
has
anything
going
all
right
just
like
to
say
thank
you
to
our
other
commissioners
for
coming
out,
mr
man
behind
the
controls,
mr
javan
hines
and
miss
christiansen,
the
city
of
montgomery
and
to
our
listeners
there'll
be
no
further
business.
This
meeting
is
hereby.