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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
I. Approval of Actions from the January 11, 2022, Meeting
II. Mapco update
III. CAMP update
IV. Awards update
V. Pat Clark, Montgomery County Historical Society
A
And
I
told
them,
I
would
need
to
take
it
up
with
the
board
how
they
want
it
to
move
forward
if
they
don't
submit
anything
in
march.
I
suspect
we'll
ask
them
to
withdraw
it
and
and
then
reapply
with
some
of
those,
if
not
all,
of
those
suggestions
that
were
made
to
them
at
that
december
meeting
and
they
have
been
advised
that
their
request
for
rezoning
should
be
held
until
the
architectural
review
board
actually
approves
a
plan.
A
B
B
A
And
frankly,
asking
them
to
withdraw
is
probably
I
I
initially
wanted
the
board
just
to
take
action
on
that
original
submission,
so
they
would
have
to
resubmit
something
different,
but
a
denial
would
also
trigger
their
ability
to
appeal
the
decision
and
I'm
not
sure
the
legal
department
will
vigorously
defend
the
board's
decision.
So
I
think
right
now.
B
A
B
A
A
The
the
we've
got
several
members
who
are
educators,
who
have
schedules
that
are
less
flexible
than
some
of
the
rest
of
us.
So
we
were
trying
to
put
it
in
that
kind
of
between
school
years
season,
so
they'd
hoped
that
they
might
be
able
to
start
doing
in-person
training
again
late
spring,
but
we'll
we'll
just
have
to
wait
and
see.
A
A
A
A
B
A
I
think
we
had
discussed
that
we
really
want
this
to
be
an
information
gathering
exercise
and
while
I
have
been
going
through
all
the
city
directories
to
pull
information
when
we've
gotten
blank
submissions,
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
start.
Turning
back
and
saying
you
know:
here's
the
research
guide,
here's
where
you
can
find
some
information
do
something
because
I'm
not
going
to
do
it
for
them.
B
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
we
have
with
us
this
afternoon,
honor
guest
pat
clark
with
the
montgomery
county,
historical
society,
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
am
a
member
of
the
montgomery
county,
historical
society
and
miss
clark,
as
you
expound
for
the
next
up
to
four
or
five
minutes.
I'd
appreciate
if
you
acknowledge
how
you
became
interested
in
historic
preservation,
in
addition
to
whatever
else
you
had
planned
to
say.
Thank
you.
The
floor
is
yours.
D
Does
this
register
my
voice?
Okay?
Well,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
I
appreciate
your
offering
me
this
opportunity
and
I
have
to
admit
that
I'm
new
to
alabama,
I
grew
up
in
florida,
but
my
husband
is
from
montgomery,
went
to
lunar
high
school
and
we
moved
back
here
about
16
years
ago
and
I
learned
more
history
from
him
and
his
family
than
ever.
You
could
learn
from
a
book.
Trust
me
he's.
Everybody
in
town
is
his
cousin,
so
you
know
how
that
goes.
D
D
I
wanted
you
to
see
our
current
board
of
directors.
You
will
notice
dr
richard
bailey
is
right
there,
and
this
was
at
christmas.
Not
everybody
was
there,
you
know
what
kovitz
done
to
everybody
about
getting
together,
but
it's
just
a
snapshot
of
the
the
kind
folks
and
the
generous
people
who
are
just
giving
of
their
time
and
their
effort
to
make
us
get
better
all
the
time
and
try
to
be
a
community
asset.
D
D
Actually,
it's
got
a
long
life,
it's
the
oldest
brick
residence
in
montgomery
from
1837,
and
it
has
been
the
home
for
mrs
pickett,
who
was
the
wife
of
albert
pickett,
our
first
historian
and
it's
been
a
church.
It's
been
a
packard
dealership,
it's
been
a
sherwin-williams
store
and
it's
been
this
trading
post.
It's
been
a
little
of
everything
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
the
house
itself
kind
of
shows
the
scars
from
a
lot
of
those
those
changes.
D
At
any
rate,
it
got
loaded
on
to
moving
paraphernalia
there
and
pulled
up
the
street
on
a
nice
saturday
morning,
actually
a
weekend
when
the
olympic
torch
was
coming
to
town,
and
you
can
imagine,
as
it
went
down
court
street.
The
mayor
at
the
time
was
quite
worried
that
we
were
going
to
block
the
torch,
but
they
managed
to
pull
the
house
off
to
the
side
and
then
place
it
on
the
lot
at
the
corner
of
mildred
and
court
after
the
torch
had
gone
by
next
slide.
D
We
then
went
into
major
restoration,
and
this
is
a
more
recent
one
where
we
have
just
put
on
a
new
roof.
The
covid
hiatus
has
given
us
a
chance
to
really
do
things
to
inside
the
house
where
we
could
take
the
time
and
do
them
right,
and
we
pay
for
all
this
through
our
memberships,
our
donations
and
grants
from
numerous
sources,
most
of
which
are
alabama
historical
commission
and
the
humanities,
recovery
grant
and
the
tourism
department.
We
still,
however,
have
to
work
with
this
1837
house
and
all
the
things
that
it
still
needs.
D
D
We
are
making
moves
in
that
direction,
looking
for
grant
money
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
that's
sort
of
a
major
impediment
to
growing
further
we've
got
exterior
paint
and
repairs
to
do
and
a
landscape
plan
to
initiate
and
many
exhibits
and
virtual
furnishings
to
supply.
So
it's
going
to
take
us
a
little
while,
but
we're
working
very
hard
at
opening
up
and
being
a
real
tour
place
a
destination.
Next,
I
think
most
of
you
know
what
we
do,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
review
it.
D
We
mainly
communicate
with
our
membership
through
quarterly
publication
called
the
herald,
and
we,
of
course,
are
committed
to
discovering
and
preserving
and
communicating
all
the
things
historical
that
are
of
interest
to
people
in
our
community.
We
try
to
restrain
ourselves
and
stay
within
montgomery
city
and
county
and
we
have
recently
merged
into
or
the
old
montgomery
genealogical
society
recently
merged
with
us.
D
So
we
have
picked
up
a
lot
of
new
interests
and
possibilities
with
that,
but
we're
planning
to
use
the
house
for
a
venue
for
small
events
for
those
who
want
to
use
that,
and
we
of
course
have
the
house
museum
on
the
top
floor.
We
have
membership
meetings
and
exhibits
and
shows
and
presentations
and
a
host
of
things
that
happen
in
the
second
floor,
which
we
call
the
the
big
room
next
slide.
D
Next,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
is
a
collection
of
various
pieces
within
all
the
floors,
and
this
is
the
mardi
keys
monkey
jug,
which
we
recently
lent
to
the
the
museum
of
fine
arts
for
their
pieces
of
history
exhibit.
I
know
that
landmarks
loan,
some
things
too
and
I'm
told
that
lent-
is
the
correct
word.
I
tried
to
change
it
alone,
but
they
wouldn't.
Let
me
so
anyway,
it's
a
very
famous
jug
and
very
important,
and
it's
residing
now
the
museum
of
fine
arts.
D
You
can
go
see
it
whenever
you
want
to,
and
then
it
comes
back
home.
Of
course
we
have
other
items
and
artifacts
that
we've
collected
over
the
years
through
family
donations
and
various
sources.
Next,
the
family
history
center,
though,
is
sort
of
our
new
focus
because
it
brings
with
it
a
whole
lot
of
information
that
is
not
available
to
anybody
anywhere
else.
D
We
will
be
setting
up
workshops
that
will
be
led
by
these
genealogy
experts
and
they
really
are-
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
have
them
to
work
with
and
to
kind
of
augment
all
the
things
that
we're
already
doing
next,
one
of
the
big
big
projects
that
we
have
worked
on
for
several
years
now
it
it
started
just
as
kovitz
started.
So
it
was
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge.
D
Those
are
aum
interns
standing
there.
These
are
the
number
of
people
that
worked
on
that
project.
It
was
massive
and
these
wonderful
folks
that
are
in
the
picture.
They
wrote
the
tutorials.
I
mean
they
literally
set
up
the
the
app
they
they
taught.
Everybody
and
really
created
something
that
has
become
a
real
fun
program
that
is
community
service,
for
anybody
who
wants
to
do
it.
D
We
also
try
to
do
things
where
we
work
with
the
community
and
help
establish
other
historic
interests.
This
is
a
photograph
of
the
lincoln
cemetery
unveiling
of
the
ben
moore,
historic
monument
and,
of
course,
our
own.
Richard
bailey
was
there
to
make
to
kick
that
off.
He
did
the
work.
It's
the
most
wonderful
press
release.
Well,
the
book
that
goes
with
it
is
is
just
divine.
I
hope
that
somebody
takes
it
to
some
award
and
everybody
gets
the
credit
they
deserve.
D
D
D
One
of
the
reasons
we're
so
interested
in
it
is
that
brick
work
was
done
by
enslaved
workmen,
who
worked
for
john
p
phi.
Now
we're
talking
1845
1847..
He
happens
to
be
the
builder
of
the
house,
the
five
picket
house
where
our
headquarters
are.
This
is
magnificent
workmanship
and
it
needs
to
be
celebrated
not
torn
down
for
heaven's
sakes.
So
it's
a
it's
a
landmark
in
plain
sight.
D
Next,
one
of
the
other
things
that's
near
and
dear
to
our
hearts
is
the
perry
street
historic
district
because
there's
so
many
of
the
landmarks
are
in
there
and
we
are
sort
of
chagrined
because
we're
not
we're
right
on
the
edge
of
it
and
it
was
set
up
in
1971
and
we
at
that
time
we
were
over
on
clayton
and
moulton
street
and
we
were
probably
a
sherwin-williams
store.
So
we
didn't
make
the
cut
needless
to
say,
but
today
we
got
moved
and
I
don't
know
how
to
show
you
this.
D
But
if
you
see
at
the
bottom,
you
can
see
sarah
street
and
down
below
that
there's
the
end
of
mildred
street.
If
you
go
up
to
court,
we're
that
triangle
red
triangle
on
that
corner
now
we
are
surrounded
by
other
good,
wonderful,
historic
properties.
In
fact,
the
block
we're
in
is
being
totally
redone
by
michelle
browder
one
of
your
commissioners
and
her
organization,
and
they
have
created
the
most
wonderful,
sculpture
garden
on
the
corner
of
sarah
mildred
and
between
that
and
us
is
the
peterman
ludlow
house,
which
is
already
a
registered
landmark.
D
D
If
you
look
across
from
where
phi
pickett
is
that's
the
grove
court
apartments
they're
a
national
registered
landmark
architectural
rise,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
of
potential
for
this
area
and
I
can
see
when
grove
court
gets
finished,
this
neighborhood
just
blooming
and
and
it's
got
so
much
that
it
could
be
as
an
artsy
district.
You
know
and
bring
in
the
history
while
you're
at
it.
So
that's
where
I
would
like
to
see
things
go.
D
I
have
not
achieved
that
just
yet
we
will
have
to
see,
but
at
any
rate
it's
a
it's
a
a
goal.
Next,
this
is
actually
what
I
was
saying
just
enumerating
the
places
that
are
right
there
on
mildred
or
near
mildred,
and
how
we
are
between
cottage
hill
and
centennial
hill
and
there's
some
real
possibilities
there.
I
think
next
I
would
like
to
just
end
this
by
saying
we'd
love
to
have
you
join
our
ranks
if
you'd
like
to
it's
easy
enough,
you
see
that
new
member
application
card,
but
we
it's
easier.
D
If
you
go
online
to
our
website,
which
is
mchsal.org
stands
for
montgomery
county
historical
society
alabama.
If
you
leave
off
alabama
you're
going
to
get
montgomery
county
maryland
or
somebody's
high
school,
so
it's
taken
a
while
for
us
to
to
stand
out.
I
did
give
you
a
little
look
on
the
right
of
how
it
started.
D
So
he
was
able
to
rescue
those
tiles
and
they
are
now
in
place
as
a
dining
room
floor
in
the
five
picket
house,
and
then
I
wanted
you
to
see.
Also,
it
was
a
challenge
because
these
bricks
are
porous
they
had
been
painted,
so
you
can't
just
sandblast
them
and
start
over
to
get
back
down
to
the
to
the
bricks.
D
So
we
are
poised
to
go
back
to
work
and
finish
up
the
interior
and
the
exterior
and
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
file
for
apply
for
a
grant
from
the
daniel
foundation
and
get
the
funds
to
be
able
to
do
all
this
the
right
way.
So
we
hope
that
you'll
join
us
with
supporting
this
effort
and
all
the
meetings
and
the
events
and
the
things
that
can
come
and
we
really
do
want
to
see
this
place
blossom
and
be
used
to
its
fullest
extent.
D
Well,
we
have
just
recently
gone
through
looking
at
a
pve
elevator
pneumatic
vacuum
elevator,
which
is
the
the
tube
that
you
can
see
through.
They
are
approved
for
residential
use.
They
are
available,
we've
had
several
elevator
reps
come
and
look
at
our
situation
and
where
we
might
put
it,
we
have
a
perfect
place
for
it
and
where?
Where
is
your
perfect
place?
If
you
come
in
the
back
door
on
the
right,
there's
a
big
box,
piano
right
comes
out
of
that
corner.
It's
a
perfect
place.
D
Here
commerce
does
not
approve
those
types
of
elevators
for
use
in
the
state
of
alabama,
they're
they're
in
I'd,
say:
20
other
states
they're
fine,
they're
all
over
europe
in
all
sorts
of
buildings,
but
they
have
not
been
approved
within
the
us
for
commercial
use
anywhere
that
we
know
of
so
until
they
get
beefed
up
to
the
point
where
they
can
be
used
for
commercial.
Even
though
we
know
we're
a
house
and
we're
residents,
but
because
people
assemble,
we
have
to
have
the
regular
handicap
access
as
a
historic
house.
D
We
don't
have
to
meet
ada
requirements,
but
we
still
have
to
do
it
to
meet
the
elevator
code,
so
we're
working
on
it.
There
is
a
type
of
elevator
called
the
lula,
limited
use,
limited
access
and
there's
one
that
can
be
mounted
on
a
bearing
wall
and
we're
looking
at
that
one
and
hoping
that
we
can
get
it
in
there
and
get
rolling.
So
but
that's
a
big
ticket
item
anything
else.
B
D
D
They
have
a
requirement
in
their
grant
for
each
child,
each
student
to
have
some
kind
of
community
service
and
that's
a
good
way
to
do
it
with
non-profits.
So
she
came
to
visit
we
met
and
I
gave
her
a
list
of
all
the
ways
somebody
could
help
us
like.
We
need
an
I.t
guy,
we
need
communications,
we
need
historians,
we
need,
we
need
it
all,
and
she
said
yes,
so
you're
willing
to
take
people
who
aren't
history
interns.
I
said
absolutely.
D
We
need
everybody,
we're
happy
with
it
and
she
said
well,
there
will
be
some
people
who
come
for
credit
and
they
will
be
probably
the
older
students,
but
there
might
be
some
who
just
are
going
to
be
volunteers.
That
can
help.
I
said
fine
with
me,
so
we're
hoping
to
get
going
with
that
as
soon
as
they're
ready.
So
so.
D
B
D
You
download
an
app
on
your
phone
and
you
can
use
that
app
and
nita
jackson
who
works
for
the
city
will
assign
a
number
for
you
so
that
they
can
capture
whatever
you
do
and
then
you
go
out
to
the
oakwood
cemetery
and
you
just
pick
a
spot
and
go
around
and
it
will
show
you
at
your
location
on
the
map
and
then
the
objective
is
for
you
to
a
database
will
pop
up.
This
is
data
that
was
entered
by
our
organization
several
years
ago.
D
B
D
B
D
We
did
when
we
first
launched
it
was
back
in
april
cove.
It's
been
a
bit
of
a
problem,
as
you
can
imagine
yeah,
but
when
we
first
launched
we
had
televised
public
service
announcements.
We
tried
our
best
to
get
press
releases
and
I
do
believe
we.
We
got
a
good
bit
of
newspaper
press,
wonderful
other
than
that.
It's
been
word
of
mouth
and
our
website
and
facebook.
So
correct
I
mean
we
could
use
all
the
help.
We
can
get
understood
anybody
else.
Other.
D
That
is
why
we're
doing
the
oakwood
project
and
why
we're
doing
the
family
history
center,
the
techie
types
love
it.
You
know
it's
data,
that's
relevant
to
them
and
those
are
the
two
sources
we
are
hoping
for:
the
younger
demographic
to
get
started
in
history,
and
hopefully
you
know
it'll
build
up
and
we'll
get
some
younger
groups
that
are
interested
in
preserving.
D
I
went
to
the
downtown
montgomery
thing
today
and
there
were
quite
a
bit
quite
a
few
younger
people
there
and
that
looks
very
promising
to
me
and
I
think
the
way
they
involve
people
with
letting
them
choose
something
a
priority
and
have
a
real
input
on
the
maps
was
brilliant
and
everybody
I
saw,
was
kind
of
engaged
and
having
a
good
time
with
it.
So
hopefully
that
too
will
bring
the
younger
group
into
the
historic
preservation
fold.
D
You
visit
us
and
online.
You
can
find
out
everything
you
need
to
know
at
that
website.
We
would
love
to
have
you
come
visit
by
appointments,
the
safest,
because
we
are
there
for
sure
nine
to
three
for
sure
monday,
tuesday,
wednesday,
after
that
I'll
meet
anybody
anytime.
You
know
if
they'd
like
to
to
come
and
there's
our
phone
number.
D
D
B
A
A
We
looked
at
that
when
I
worked
at
the
commission
years
ago
and
decided
it
was
better
to
let
that
sleeping
dog
lie,
so
I've
actually
suggested
they
should
talk
to
hc
about
an
individual
designation
under
the
criteria
consideration
for
moved
properties
to
get
because
if,
if
they
they
would
have
to
have
the
whole
district
updated
to
be
included
in
that
district
because
they
were
not
in
that
location.
When
the
district
was
created
and
the
whole
district
could
fall
apart,
because
it
would
need
to
be
completely
reevaluated.
A
C
B
C
C
B
Else
has
anything
going
on
you
like
to
bring
to
our
attention
anything.
We
make
a
strong
pitch
here,
every
second
tuesday
for
historic
preservation
and
we
encourage
persons
in
our
listening
audience.
If
you
know
the
house
is
about
to
be
demolished,
a
building,
that's
about
to
be
demolished.
If
you
would
ask
the
persons
in
charge
of
the
demolition,
if
they
find
any
kind
of
artifacts
that
they
feel
is
of
historic
significance
to
bring
it
to
somebody's
attention,
don't
let
it
get
destroyed.
B
Please
bring
it
to
the
attention
one
of
these
commissioners
or
some
one
with
the
city
of
montgomery,
montgomery,
county,
historical
society
or
montgomery
county
archives,
bring
it
to
someone's
attention,
but
don't
let
that
book
that
photograph
that
whatever
get
destroyed,
because
once
it's
gone,
it's
gone
forever.
So
we
want
to
make
a
strong
pitch
for
historic
preservation
of
any
caliber.
If
you
have
a
question
about
it,
just
call
somebody
and
say
I
have
this
item
or
I
know
what
this
item
is.
B
I
just
want
to
bring
it
to
your
attention,
so
you
can
look
at
it
before
it
gets
destroyed.
We'd
appreciate
that
very
much
like
to
thank
miss
christie,
anderson
for
coming
out
the
city
of
montgomery,
miss
paula
wade
and
miss
javon
hines
for
coming
out.
Also,
mr
mike
mann,
who's
handling
our
videography
and
everybody
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
coming
out
and
for
taking
an
interest
in
historic
preservation.