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A
Development
plans
require
public
hearing,
however,
no
actions
be
taken
by
the
Planning
Commission
members
flats,
rezoning,
revised
master
plans
and
street
names
require
first
public
hearing,
and
once
the
public
hearing
is
completed,
Planning
Commission
members
will
deliberate
and
render
their
decision
Planning.
Commission
members
with
a
personal
or
financial
interest
in
the
petitioners
request
are
required
to
recuse
themselves
the
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
or
keep
youtaite
Patrick
marks,
Glade
McKenna's,
Cruiser
e
Jerome
or
Frank
cook,
and
Clements
James,
Reed
and
I'm
buddy.
A
Hardly
members
of
the
members
and
petitioners
are
requested
to
speak
directly
in
the
microphone,
for
the
minutes
are
recorded
for
legal
purposes,
and
this
is
the
only
way
to
accurately
pick
up
the
audio
tonight.
We
have
seven
members
of
members
of
the
Commission
and
it
takes
five
votes
to
pass
a
motion
because
of
the
number
of
members
present.
If
you
would
liked
to
lay
your
requests,
please
let
us
know
when
your
request
is
announced.
A
A
B
A
C
A
D
E
A
E
E
E
A
F
Thank
you.
I
just
spoke
with
with
Papp
I'm
coming
as
a
City
Council
North,
with
this
in
my
district
right
there
and
I
had
a
few
concerns.
Just
some
safety
concerns
out
there.
This
is
going
to
be
a
heavily
trafficked
area
right
now,
so
I
talked
to
talked
to
pep
about
maybe
looking
at
extending
on
McLemore
Drive
that
D
cell
lane
just
a
little
bit
more
of
the
speed
limits,
40
miles
an
hour
and
believe
me
I
wish
they
would
only
go
that
fast.
We
have
a
lot
of
entrance
and
exits.
F
We've
got
to
full
service.
We've
got
a
left
in
off
of
this
accountable,
11
foot
wide
road
coming
off
of
Michael
Moore
and
they
travel
that
pretty
fast.
What
I'd
like
to
see?
Maybe
it's
the
last
one
which
is
really
not
needed,
that
left
out
maybe
be
removed,
and
then
there
are
some
small
things
and
I
know
they'll.
Please
set
up
on
the
development
plan
like
screening,
you
know
dumpsters
and
things
like
that
around
these
convenience
stores,
but
just
just
a
quick
pass.
This
out.
F
G
A
A
C
A
E
B
Of
the
approval
of
that
is
with
the
consideration
of
the
the
councilman
correct.
Yes,.
A
G
A
But
that's
the
reason
for
the
cut
for
the
discussion
before
it
because
we
happen
to
have
that
that
information.
He
certainly
has
the
right
if
he
made
the
motion
to
have
the
motion
and
include
the
fact
that
it
would
be
the
conversation
that
between
the
councilman
and
the
petitioner
and
the
engineering,
that's
all
he
asked
we.
H
C
E
E
Changing
the
deep,
the
details
may
be
a
little
bit
longer,
taper
a
little
bit
longer
stacking
lane,
changing
the
angles
of
exit
entrance
and
exits
to
make
the
movements
a
little
better
and
making
sure
we
don't
have
something
in
the
way.
If
we
stop
on
the
where's,
fear,
look
and
left
or
right,
you
know
those
are
reasonable
requests
that
we
can
get
with
traffic
in
mr.
Bulger
and
look
that
worked
out
very.
G
Mr.
Boehm
just
showed
us
an
accident
that
he's
concerned
about
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out.
If
there's
a
safety
issue
out
there,
we
definitely
want
to
eliminate
that
concern.
If
there's
not
one,
then
let's
move
on,
but
I
think
mr.
Bollinger
had
mentioned
that
there
was
some
concern
safety
wise
and
he
wanted
to
modify
the
site
design
to
eliminate
that
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out.
As
mr.
Bollinger
pointed
out,
if
there's
a
safety
issue
period.
B
H
I
H
E
G
F
F
My
emphasis
today
was
to
come
down
to
go
from
you
all
back
to
the
traffic
department
to
work
with
the
engineer
since
I
hadn't
sat
down
with
you
before
on
the
development
plan
and
I
believe
that,
with
he
and
I
speaking
already
that
that's
going
to
be
worked
out,
but
for
the
plan
I
think
it's
good
like
it
is,
it
doesn't
hurt
safety
one
way
or
the
other
two
plat
the
property.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Well,.
G
F
Then
that
happened
yesterday
and
what
I
was
saying.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm,
stacking
and
decel
lanes
are
long
enough,
so
that
the
cars
have
an
opportunity
to
get
off
the
road
out
of
the
line
of
sight
so
that
we
won't
have
as
many
problems
like
that
caused
by
a
development
here,
which
I
think
that
the
engineer
can
address
pretty
easily.
H
G
C
J
C
G
K
I
just
make
the
comment
and
if
it
ends
up
in
court,
so
be
it,
but
this
is
I've
been
driving
this
road
for
25-30
years
I've
got
three
houses
on
where's,
Ferry,
Road
and
I.
Do
think
this
is
a
safety
issue
right
here
and
why
somebody
would
want
to
build
on
this
spot.
We've
already
got
a
problem.
There.
People
drive
down
both
McLemore
and
weres
Ferry
Road
faster
than
they
should
and
you're
gonna
have
a
problem.
There
I
don't
care
what
lanes
you
put
in
there
and
so
I'm
gonna
vote
against
it.
K
Now,
if
it
is
court,
that's
just
my
opinion,
but
I
know,
what's
probably
going
to
happen,
it
passes
automatically,
but
I
do
think.
There's
a
problem
there
and
why
somebody
wanted
to
build
on
this
spot.
That's
their
problem.
They
have
the
right
to
do
that.
I,
never
thought
somebody
would
build
there,
but
somebody's
decided
to
do
that.
So
I've
said
my
piece
of
man:
okay,.
G
So
I
guess
the
question
goes
back.
What
kind
of
research
has
been
done?
I
know
Richard.
You
said
there
were
a
lot
of
cars
and
speeding
and
so
forth.
It
takes
place
along
that
road
out.
There
have
we've
done
a
traffic
study
or
anything
to
kind
of
give
us
some
data.
That
would
give
us
an
idea
of
the
volume
of
traffic
and
some
kind
of
third-party
assessment
of
the
traffic
along
those
routes.
G
E
A
L
A
B
H
I
A
A
M
B
B
A
C
N
Though
keeping
up
with
the
times
yeah,
they
feel
that
there's
an
issue
I
know
that
there's
been
some
traffic
circulation
issues
at
this
particular
Arby's.
So
at
the
site
plan
that
we've
got
out
there
right
now,
I
was
working
to
fix
that
as
well
as
updating
just
the
store
look
and,
like
you
said,
keep
up
with
the
times.
I
appreciate.
B
A
F
B
A
A
D
A
F
A
K
By
matt
darey
and
I'm
representing
recon
builders,
this
parcel
a
property
that
we
bought
has
been
empty
for
five
or
six
years
used
to
be
as
a
group
home,
and
we
finally
bought
it
up,
and
we
would
like
to
turn
it
into
an
office.
Since
it's
already
been
set
up,
the
state
standards
for
sprinkler
systems
and
such
and
officers
are
apparently
in
it.
A
J
F
J
Sir,
we
have
a
say,
share
our
parking
lots,
but
up
to
each
other
and
they're,
no
natural,
no
barriers
and
some
of
the
customers
we
had
with
a
pine
straw
had
been
using
the
entrance
from
the
Boy
Scouts,
and
you
know-
and
legitimately
you
had
legitimate
concerns
about
that
they
were
causing
some
traffic
problems
on
their
side.
Since
we
were
made
aware
of
that,
we've
put
up
some
barriers
to
cut
off
that
traffic.
So
with
all
the
traffic
is
now
contained
on
our
on
our
property.
J
A
G
D
G
C
G
A
A
A
C
A
There
is
not
a
yes
or
no,
but
but
I,
but
I
I
appreciate
your
your
answer.
I
think
we're
I
think
we're
gonna
be
fairly
I,
think
we're
about
as
close
as
you
can
get
to
to
working
it
for
everybody
and
and
also
getting
it
to
to
that
point
where
it,
where
it's
utilized
exactly
the
way
he's
using
it
in
any
way.
H
J
J
H
If
you
guys
make
a
permanent
pine
trough,
pine
straw
sales
location
out
of
this-
and
there
is
you-
know-
there's
businesses
up
and
down
here
different.
You
know
be
three
zoning
before
zoning.
Is
there
anything
you
guys
have
looked
at
to
since
it
would
be
permanent
to
kind
of
make
it
a
little
bit
different
than
just
a
trailer
with
the
back
like
some
sort
of
facade
or
something
that
could
match
up
to
your
trailer,
they
would.
It
would
I.
J
Hadn't
really
thought
about
to
be
honest,
I
guess,
I
think
it
was
maybe
with
it
all
not
having
any
struck
any
permanent
structures
rather
than
the
trailers
might
be
I,
don't
know
might
be
better,
but
we
can
I,
wouldn't
certainly
look
at
that
doing
something
something
differently.
If
that's
what
we
need
to
do
just.
J
G
J
J
C
B
G
J
J
G
J
G
J
J
A
K
K
D
B
A
B
H
B
Area
for
one
trailer,
yes,
sir
I'll
I'll
go
talk
to
Helen
about
getting
that
done
and
she
said:
it'd
be
quicker
and
easier
to
just
have
the
whole
area.
Reason
greater
than
hadn't
had
just
one
particular
spot
to
reason:
I'm
just
playing
I'm
living
in
it
for
about
three
or
four
years,
and
then
eventually
building
the
house
yep,
financially
I'm,
not
ready
to
do
it
a
house
right
now,
so
I
was
just
gonna
move
into
a
single-wide
trailer
home.
B
B
I
M
Name
is
Patricia,
Taylor
and
I
represent
the
flatwoods
Neighborhood
Association,
and
we
need
clarification
on
this.
He's
saying
twisted
acres,
but
on
the
forum
he's
requesting
only
one
person
of
land
and
we
need
to
clarify
what
is
a
parcel.
Is
that
like
one
acre
or
are
you
rezoning
the
whole
26
acres.
A
B
B
M
With
Commissioner
Sankey
and
the
county
engineering
department,
they
have
found
findings
of
how
we're
gonna
have
to
utilize
that
area
to
make
the
drainage
system
work
once
he
builds
this
up,
even
for
one
trailer
that
water's
just
gonna
flow
into
the
other
areas
of
the
community
and
we're
gonna
have
major
issues.
So
at
our
meeting
on
June
11.
That's
when
we're
supposed
to
find
out
the
fountains
for
the
county
engineering
department,
I'm.
B
A
H
M
And
Mel
said:
Whitmore
I
live
across
from
his
property
at
7:13,
Williams
Drive.
This.
B
M
M
M
All
depends
on
how
high
he
has
to
raise
the
land.
His
land
is
level
with
my
property.
In
my
property
at
my
house,
at
the
road
has
never
flooded.
The
water
has
come
into
the
yard,
but
never
into
the
house.
If
he
raises
the
land
any
higher
than
that,
it's
not
my
house,
that's
gonna
be
affected,
but
the
rest
of
the
community
will
be
affected
because
it
slopes
like
this.
C
M
Goes
behind
the
cemetery
and
it
goes
on
into
the
neighborhood.
Our
president
has
pictures
where
it
has
flooded
the
community
center,
the
community
center,
which
is
used
daily
by
our
resident
seniors
and
young
people
and
children-
that's
from
rain
water.
So
if
this
property
is
raised
at
all,
it's
going
to
impact
the
environment.
A
A
M
What
he
wants
to
do
and
I
saw
progress
and
in
his
Land
Use
Plan,
but
the
concern
is
even
even
he
recognizes
that
he
could
only
use
a
portion
of
that
man
because
of
the
water
that
sits
on
that
land
cypress
trees.
He
says
they
soak
up.
You
know
it's
like
a
wetland,
it's
like
a
swamp,
but
not
the
parcel
that
I
thought
this
was
related
to,
but
if
he,
if
he,
if
this
zoning
speaks
to
the
whole
27
acres,
no,
no,
no.
A
A
M
A
M
A
G
I
see
I,
see,
I,
see
her
point,
though,
and
the
point
is:
if
you've
never
been
out
to
flat
with
you,
you
just
have
to
go
out
there
and
look
around
it's
a
little.
It's
the
whole.
The
majority
of
the
place
is
very,
very
low.
Water
does
not
drain
in
that
area.
Very
well.
I
think
that's
why
the
county
engineer
may
be
involved
to
some
extent,
but
I
want
to
know
up
with
20.
Some
aren't
acres
here.
How
much
of
it
is
actually
buildable.
G
B
G
H
B
G
Question
for
you
were
you
able
to
talk
to
the
folk
here
because
quite
a
few
of
them
came
out,
and
you
mentioned
you
spoken
to
some
of
somebody
I'm
not
sure
he
had
a
chance
to
speak
to
the
people
that
are
here
that
had
a
chance
to
speak
yet
or
you.
If
you
have
a
chance
to
discuss
this
with
them
at
all
or
just.
G
G
It
may
be
helpful
if
you
have
a
chance
to
speak
to
the
people
around
you
in
the
community
to
give
them
some
idea
where
you
had
it
so
that
maybe
it'll
ease
some
of
the
the
fears
about
some
of
the
water
and
the
flow
of
water
and
the
drainage
out
there,
because
I
know
exactly
what
they're
concerned
about
it's
just
that
it
may
not
be
a
problem,
but
it
may
be
a
problem,
but
somebody
needs
to
explain
it
to
them
so
that
they
understand
just
exactly
what
your
intentions
are.
Yes,.
H
H
C
H
G
H
The
point
I'm
making
is
it
yeah
if
it
if
it
is
engineered,
so
that
it
doesn't
cause
any
water
runoff
in
a
direction,
might
as
well
qualify
to
that
location
so
that
it's
already
engineered
and
they
don't
ever
have
to
worry
about
it
again
and
that
that
could
satisfy
the
the
you
know
the
question
of
whether
they
could
put
in
more
mobile
homes
and
secondly,
if
it
was
engineered
properly
where
it
wasn't,
gonna
affect
her
water.
Those
those
questions
could
be
addressed
after
the
engineering
was
done
and.
C
H
C
G
C
G
H
G
What
I'm
saying
we
need
somebody
to
give
these
folks.
Some
insurances,
that
whatever
he's
trying
to
do,
is
not
going
to
cause
drainage
problems,
and
he
can't
explain
it
and
I'd
like
to
know
who's
going
to
explain
it
or
who's
going
to
give
them
that
assurance,
because
a
road
has
to
be
cut.
A
pad
has
to
be
built
at
a
certain
elevation
and
right
now,
you're
asking
us
to
look
at
this,
resulting
it
with
all
these
questions,
and
the
folks
are
here
expressing
a
concern.
I'm
willing
to
listen
to
the
folks.
B
G
A
H
A
Choice,
he
don't
have
to
be
his
choice.
That's
you
here,
the
cotton.
You
hear
the
concerns
and
certainly
there's
not
having
not
had
a
conversation
with
the
with
the
I'm,
we'll
call
it
the
homeowners
associations
their
neighbors
out
there
I
would
think
it
would
be
real
wise
for
you
to
delay
this
one
month
and
to
spend
some
time
having
conversations
and
trying
to
cover
some
of
these
issues.
A
And
that'd
be
after
the
county
engineer
has
their
as
their
report.
In
also
that
would
be
a
suggestion.
You're,
the
petitioner
you're,
the
one
that's
paid
the
money
to
to
come
and
do
it
and
it's
your
call.
If
you
can
ask
us
to
vote
on
it
tonight
or
you
can
say
yes,
I'll
I
will
spend
that
time
that
extra
month
and
and
communicate
with
the
neighbors
and
try
to
try
to
solve
what
problems
they're
bringing
up.
That's
your
column.
A
B
L
My
name
is
Julia
Davis
on
the
a5
or
Williams
Drive
I
live
right
down
from
the
property
that
he's
talking
about,
and
not
only
it's
our
concern
about
water.
Our
concern.
Also,
it's
not
put
down
neighborhood
what
type
of
people
will
be
brought
into
the
neighborhood.
We
can
I
read
a
letter
that
came
from
my
household
this
man.
L
It
is
not
that
we
object
to
a
trail
of
being
put
on
anyone's
personal
property.
What
we
object
to
is
the
underhanded
method,
which
people
have
been
acquiring
property
in
flat.
Would
they
treat
our
property
as
a
business
for
them
to
do
whatever
they
please?
Certain
people
have
been
known
to
scoundrel
for
delinquent
property
taxes
and
end
of
owning
the
property
attempting
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
make
money
without
any
regards
to
the
people
who
live
there
and
the
families
that
have
over
100
years
of
history
in
flatwood.
We
are
a
close-knit
community.
L
Most
of
the
resident
are
kin
and
have
lived
and
played
with
all
of
their
lives,
as
did
their
ancestors
who
live
in
flat.
We
were
doing,
and
soon
after
slavery
in
Alabama
ending
the
oldest
reliable
headstone.
In
our
graveyard
is
dated
1856
traditional,
our
children
play
together.
Parents
work
in
the
same
business
attend
the
same
church.
The
common
good
of
all
our
neighbors
has
been
a
priority
and
flatwood.
We
look
for
each
other
and
are
still
able
to
borrow
a
cup
of
sugar
from
each
other
and
reason
years.
Property
has
been
bought
and
sold.
L
L
We
do
not
trust
people
who
won't
walk
to
all
property
in
flat
wood
and
yes,
because
we
questions
their
motives.
The
treasures
we
know
flat
were
to
be
is
now
being
discovered
by
outsiders
and
naturally
we
are
suspicious.
The
proposed
trailer
will
be
located
on
26
acres
of
land.
All
in
the
driveway
is
unobstructed.
L
No
one
can
see
what
is
being
done
on
the
property
or
is
actually
being
built
on
the
property.
And
yes,
there
is
a
no
trespassing
sign,
it
doesn't
say
we
will
be
shot,
but
there
is
a
no
trespass
sign
on
that
particular
property.
So
who
is
to
say
that
only
one
mobile
home
will
be
put
on
the
property?
As
stated
earlier,
we
are
not
opposed
to
people
legally
doing
what
they
want
on
their
own
property,
but
we
are
a
community.
L
We
have
a
Neighborhood
Association
working
to
make
improvements
to
flat
wood
and
make
it
better
liveable
community
for
all
of
us,
while
others
on
the
walk,
but
it's
good
for
themselves.
They
have
no
stock
down.
No
history,
a
good
wheel
and
flat
were
to
preserve
as
we
do
now.
There
are
property
down
further
down
the
road
they
are
posted.
We
don't
know
what
down.
Yet.
All
we
know
is
that
big
transfer
trucks
coming
in
and
out
down
there.
We
can't
go,
we
don't
know
you
know.
L
What's
doing
it,
we
hear
gunshots
at
night,
two
or
three
times
a
night.
We
have
trucks
coming
in
and
out
big
trucks
coming
in
and
out
racing
cars
and
stuff.
Like
that
coming
mind,
you
have
a
community,
they
do
that
too,
but
you
can
pass
through
and
see
each
other's
houses.
We
can't
pass
through
and
see
nobody
house
and
what's
going
on
and
in
about
a
house.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Ma'am,
okay,.
M
A
M
Want
to
add
one
thing
also
on
this
property:
oh,
it
was
a
gravel
pit
that
started
over
20
years
ago,
we're
I,
guess
different
builders
came
in
and
dug
up
what
they
needed
and
took
it
away
for
the
last
ten
years.
The
refill
has
been
I,
don't
know,
debris
household
goods,
whatever
they
could
find
to
truck
in
there.
So
I
am
also
concerned
about
the
contamination
from
any
water
flowing
from
that
gravel
pit
hole
and
what
contaminants
are
in
there
that
may
be
hazardous
to
the
health
of
our
environment
as
well
out
there.
Thank
you.
B
A
B
B
A
B
B
To
address
this
lady's
issue
here,
I
mean
he
has
a
right
to
about
property
anywhere.
He
won
about
property
just
because
you've
been
there
a
long
time.
I
mean
I
feel
offended
by
that
you
know,
but
he
has
a
property.
This
is.
This
is
America,
think
about
property
anywhere
you
want
to.
If
you
were
concerned
about
it,
then
you
should
have
bought
the
property
years
ago,
but
he
has
a
right
to
buy
property
anywhere.
He
has
a
right
anywhere.
He
he
wanted
buy
property
I,
don't.
A
G
I
say
this:
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
sentiment
of
the
whole
community,
that's
one
person
who
had
a
letter
from
her
household.
That's
what
she
stated
that
at
the
time
that
that's
the
way
she
felt
and
maybe
the
people
in
her
household
but
like
at
the
same
time,
I.
Don't
think
that's
something
for
us
to
consider
in
our
deliberations
to.
A
A
E
A
E
D
A
D
A
D
N
N
The
ash
grass
proposed
to
make
a
an
addition
under
the
southern
portion
of
their
existing
RV
park,
they're
going
to
add
about
34
new
RV
spaces
on
the
south
end
of
their
part,
they've
developed
this
north
portion
there's
an
existing
building
already
in
place
off
all
the
Tonka
highway.
The
access
will
stay,
the
same
no
new
buildings.
All
they
will
do
is
add
some
additional
RV
spaces
on
the
south
and
west
side
of
that
existing
pond.
You
sit
on
the
map.
A
D
N
N
This
development
plan
is
for
common
ground
Montgomery
have
an
existing
facility.
There's
the
intersection
near
terminal,
Mobile,
Road,
nonprofit
organization,
they're,
proposing
to
construct
a
new
building
on
the
on
the
western
portion
of
their
property
on
the
back
I'm
gonna
call
it
the
northwest
corner
of
their
property.
This
would
be
a
multipurpose
building,
but
they'll
have
they
have
mission
groups
that
come
in
and
do
work
with
the
organization.
These
mission
groups
are
gonna
actually
meet
in
this
facility
and
there
will
be
some
some
housing
for
those
mission
groups
that
come
in.
N
G
N
H
N
N
N
N
To
the
east
I
think
there's
an
aerial
photo
in
there
Kippy
someplace.
That
shows
maybe
not
there's
an
aerial
there.
It
is
you
can
see
on
that
aerial
photo
on
the
east
and
so
we're
not
touching
anything
any
of
that
existing
facility
at
all.
There's
a
there's
actually,
an
existing
little
turn
out
already
they're
coming
off
terminal
we're
just
going
to
town
to
that.
We
think
a
gravel
drive
put
a
gate
in
and
then
put
a
gravel
drive
back
to
this
facility.
N
A
N
This
is
the
proposed
plant
to
plat
this
almost
three
acres
of
land
is
the
proposed
plant
the
plant
that
parcel
of
land
when
they
took
ownership
of
this
many
years
ago.
This
lot
was
never
planted,
so
we're
proposing
to
plant
that
property,
which
is
basically
what
they've
got
fenced
in
right
now,
there's
an
existing
fence
all
the
way
around
the
complex.
A
A
Well,
the
question
was
according
to
information
has
been
sent
to
us
are
to
me
was
that
you
could
not
just
resume
a
parcel
of
land
on
a
state
highway
for
the
purpose
of
putting
signage
there.
That's
that's
the
that
was
the
question
and
I
did
not
miss
this
day.
I
did
not
get
a
answer
to
that,
so
I.
That
was
more
for
my
from
a
request
that
we
had
last
so.
B
J
G
G
C
At
the
last
meeting,
we
didn't
have
any
comments
on
the
agenda.
This
agenda.
We
looked
at
all
the
items
based
on
the
definition
we
had
given
you
any.
You
have
a
piece
of
property
just
sitting
in
the
middle
of
residential
zoning
and
you're
asking
for
commercial.
It
is
the
opinion
of
the
staff
that
this
is
spot.
Zoning.
C
G
B
B
G
C
G
C
G
E
I,
you
know
my
my
charge
was
to
rezone
the
property
to
business.
You
know,
I
know
there
are
other
pieces
of
land
that
the
city
owns
that
have
signs
on
them,
whether
they
were
bid
or
not.
You
know,
I,
don't
know,
but
there's
a
sign
that
Lamar
has
in
front
of
Patterson
fields
been
there
at
least
20
years.
I
know.
H
Somebody
that's
going
to
rent
the
land
from
them,
the
city's,
not
unless
it's
not
our
purview,
to
determine
how
they
determine
who
they
do
business
with
we're
just
asked.
If
we're
going
to
rezone
the
land
or
not.
That's
all
we're
here
to
do
you
know
we've
been
this
is
the
third
round
I'm
ready
to
move
forward.
Okay,.
F
Hey
I'm
John
Turner,
with
Lamar
Advertising
am
I
going
to
go
over
everything.
I
talked
about
last
time.
I
just
need
to
inform
everybody
of
the.
Only
new
development
has
happened
since
the
last
time
we
were
here,
I
probably
need
to
hand
these
out.
This
is
I've,
got
copies
of
a
letter
from
our
attorney
to
the
Department
of
Transportation's
attorney,
just
recapping
a
conversation
they
had
this
week.
Can
I
pass
these
out.
G
F
Last
time
it
was
stated
by
the
presenters
that
the
state
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
this.
So
basically
the
letter
says
that
that
our
attorney
talked
with
Robert
Prescott,
who
is
the
attorney
for
the
Alabama
Department,
or
at
least
one
of
the
attorneys
for
the
Alabama
Department
of
Transportation,
and
he
stated
that
the
they
do
consider
this
spot
zoning
which
another
word
for
that
is
sham
activity,
which
is
the
word
used
in
the
paperwork.
F
I
gave
you
last
time
from
from
the
from
the
regulations,
and
so
they,
you
know,
they're,
saying
they're
not
going
to
allow
it
because
there's
not
a
business
on
the
property.
This
is
a
park
you
know,
and
if
the
property
has
raised
owned
in
the
state
size
for
a
billboard
use
only
its
spot.
Zoning
and.
A
A
At
this
point,
it's
really
frustrating
that
here
we
are
with
the
sure
ot
name
on
the
on
the
piece
of
paper
and
stipulating
the
fact
of
the
conversation
with
the
state.
Now
you
know
all
we
can
do
is
read
what's
here,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
it's
spot
zoning
and
sham,
that
is
the
words
that's
used
in
there
and
in
that
that's
correct,
I
did
read
it
and
you
know
that's.
That
was
it.
A
H
Did
another
maybe
a
better
question?
Is
it
is
a
counsel
or
does
the
Commission
I'm
sorry
believe
that
by
rezoning
a
I
think
it's
our
h35
Lots?
You
know
multiple
housing
Lots,
which
is
really
a
park
right
now
to
be
allowed
for
a
sign
he's
that
gonna
harm
the
neighborhood
and
is
that
gonna
harm
the
park?
H
That's
really
our
question
and
then,
as
far
as
whether
it's
a
sham
I,
don't
know
how
any
you
know-
and
this
you
guys
might
maybe
may
be
able
to
answer
this,
but
up
and
down
the
interstate.
All
that's
agricultural
land
I'm,
assuming
where
all
the
signs
are
at
one
point
in
time,
had
to
be
spot
zoned,
because
it's
not
all
commercial.
A
H
I
I
I
G
I
In
the
billboard,
business
I
would
love
to
have
a
billboard
on
this
location.
I've
been
in
the
Billboard
business
for
25
years.
I
have
known
this
location
is
not
a
permissible
location.
If
I
were
here
presenting
this
to
you
without
the
city's
approval,
I
would
have
gotten
shot
down
the
minute
I
walked
in
Helens
office.
The
state
would
have
shot
me
down
because
it's
about
something.
The
only
reason
this
has
even
been
considered
is
I
assume
somebody
at
the
city
or
somebody
associated
with
the
city
wants
it
done.
G
I
H
I
I
H
I
H
H
I
Do
get
razón
if
they
are
a
permit
abou
location,
they
can
get
resumed.
That's
not
the
question
here.
The
question
is
this:
is
a
spot
zone
for
the
purpose
of
a
billboard
in
an
area?
That's
never
been
allowed
for
billboards
if
it's
a
legitimate
business
location,
if
it
was
a
if
it
were
an
area
that
was
not
zoned
business
and
you
and
it's
a
legitimate
business
area
and
you
get
it
rezone
for
business.
That's
a
legitimate
situation
on
us,
but
you
know
this
is
a
ball
field.
There's
residential
everywhere.
G
B
C
G
Therein
lies
the
problem,
we're
trying
to
take
something
in
1975,
fast
forward
to
2018
and
now
bring
these
complicated
issues
to
the
to
this
commission,
when
I
specifically
would
have
requested
that
pepper
would
have
gotten
all
this
iron
out
before
it
came
here.
That's
my
that's
my
take
on
it
all
this
business
about
state
city
in
the
city
limits
outside
of
the
city
limits.
G
All
these
regulations
you
guys
are
the
experts
and
I
would
have
expected
that
the
recommendation
will
come
up
to
this
commission
with
that
background,
already
been
tested,
not
being
tested
in
this
form
and
I
think
that
this
is
this.
If
it
spots
on
the
spot,
zoning
the
city
and
said
in
spots
on
and
now
the
city
says,
it's
not
spots
on
and
it
spots
on
the
based
on
what
I
see
in
my
packet
and
the
spot,
zoning
is
not
allowed.
Then
why
are
we
even
having
this
discussion
and
I'm
done.
K
A
K
A
A
B
F
Just
once
the
only
one
thing
to
Jerome
earlier
you're
asking
mr.
lathis
there
there.
Yes,
there
are
properties
that
at
one
time
were
zone
agriculture
or
zonings
other
than
business,
but
it's
common
practice
to
rezone
property
when
a
building
or
a
commercial
area
who's
being
built.
And
yes,
then
we
at
Lamar,
you
know,
would
go
in
and
place
a
bill
bar
on
the
property,
but
not
on
a
either
a
park
or
a
vacant
piece
of
land
that
has
no
no
business
building
on
it.
F
Now,
if
it
was
a
vacant
piece
of
land
that
was
owned,
there's
a
lot
of
different
scenarios.
I'm
Michael
waste
everybody's
time
getting
into
it,
but
this
is
different
than
what
the
normal
practice
is
and,
like
mr.
Lee
said,
if
this
was
a
permit
able
location
his
company,
the
company
I
work
for
would
have
been
after
this
years
ago.
So
that's
that's.
What
John.
A
That's
that
that
answer
right
there
is
the
one
that
I'm
sure
is
a
concern
to
people
sitting
up
here,
because
what
it
sounds
like
when
you
say
that
I
understand
what
you
said.
I
agree
with
what
you
said,
but
it
sounds
like
that.
It's
just
bad
blood
from
the
standpoint
of
we
didn't
have
the
opportunity
and
therefore
we're
gonna
object
and
that's
kind
of
the
way
it
comes
across.
Well.
A
F
A
A
C
H
Always
trying
to
figure
out
a
better
way
to
use
a
piece
of
land
for
to
make
more
revenue,
and
so
I
would
imagine
that
there's
just
always
this
kind
of
controversy
going
on
and
I've
been
educated
on
a
lot
in
the
son
situation,
and
you
know
if
the
state's
not
going
to
allow
the
state's
not
gonna,
allow
it.
You
know
whether
it's
a
park
or
Taylor
Road
is
a
business
area.
I
mean
it
is
now
sure
I,
don't
know
that
the
kids
at
the
park
or
father
or
damaged
by
having
a
sign
there.
H
If
there
were
homes
there
you
know
sign,
were
you
know
putting
light
on
somebody's
home
or
but
blocking
the
Sun
or
doing
something
that
was
was
odd.
I'm
from
this
from
my
standpoint
here,
I
would
probably
be
against
it.
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
it,
because
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
commercial
area
being
a
park.
I
originally
thought
it
was
gonna,
be
a
marquee
sign
for
the
park
which
I
was
for
yes,.
H
H
B
A
O
As
far
as
the
state
is
concerned,
I've
had
conversations
with
the
state
attorney
same
attorney
and
and
based
on
what
I
understand
he.
This
would
meet
the
requirements,
in
fact,
the
state
in
their
rules
for
outdoor
advertising.
When
something
is
zoned,
they
do
have
criteria
to
say
well.
Is
this
spot
zoning
and
some
of
the
and
there's
really
only
four
things
that
they
really
look
at,
and
one
is
you
know,
is
this
only
much
like
that?
The
pine
straw
Neil
you
did
earlier?
Is
it
only
allow
this
certain
commercial?
O
That's
one
of
the
things
they
look
for.
A
second
is:
is
commercial
only
allowed
on
the
property
if
there
is
a
variance
granted
yeah?
The
third
is
the
physical
size.
Is
it
large
enough
to
accommodate
another
business?
Just
because
there's
not
a
business
there
currently
doesn't
mean
that
a
sign
can't
go
there.
You
see
I'm,
saying
they
like
it
a
commercial
piece.
O
G
If
is
that
clear-cut,
then
pepper,
how
come
you
can't
explain
that
to
it?
We've
been
asking
for
this
last
week
and
if
it's
that
clear-cut,
but
that
gentleman
standing
to
your
right
just
made
what
why
are
we
here,
then?
If
it's
that
clear-cut
think
you
got
somebody
back
there
just
want
to
take
some
excel.
A
O
A
E
I
You
know
the
state,
the
state
say
doctoring.
The
state
of
the
state
adopted
these
rules
what
ten
years
ago,
maybe
John
2008
they
did
it
for.
The
purpose
of
this
right
here
sign
guys
go
into
a
town.
They
hook
up
with
a
somebody
on
the
with
the
city
and
try
to
get
an
area
rezone
for
the
purpose
of
the
billboard.
I
E
G
G
Not
pretty
you
told
us,
it
may
be
eat
legal
to
put
a
sign
on
this
property.
Can
we
play
the
back
mr.
DJ,
okay,.
E
G
Well,
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
get
to
and
I
asked
you
this
last
time
and
I,
ask
you
again:
why
are
we
up
here
to
having
event
things
that
you
should
have
come
to
this
commission
with
in
the
first
place,
we're
vetting
your
homework?
This
should
be
homework
that
someone
has
done
already
and
now
we're
taking
up
an
hour
of
our
time
to
vet.
Something
I
think
that
the
petitioner
should
come
here
already
prepared
to
discuss
and
that's
my
beef
with
the
whole
thing.
O
O
A
G
H
O
A
A
N
O
A
Think
the
problem
that
everybody's
had
been
on
this
thing
is,
it
gets
back
to.
We've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
spot
zoning,
okay
and
we
did
request
a
definition
and
we
we
got
some
information
on
that
we're
sitting
up
here
and
we're
sitting
with
a
statement
from
our
staff
that
stipulates
this
is,
is
considered
spot
zoning,
so
we
had
tried
to
avoid-
and
you
listened
to
a
lot
of
it
tonight
when
we
get
into
that
terminology,
and
so
we
don't
have
all
the
background.
A
All
the
information
I
was
provided
just
through
just
by
my
personal
request,
the
documentation
that
I
thought
she
was
reading
from
and
I
was
trying
to
correlate
the
two.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
we're
sitting
up
here
facing
is.
Do
we
take
a
piece
of
property
that
the
staff,
which
is
the
ones
that
give
us
the
information?
We're
not
you
know?
If
do
we
go
against
what
they're
telling
us,
and
that
is
this-
is
a
spot
zone
period?
A
E
A
E
E
So
there
are
a
lot
of
different
avenues
and
mechanisms
to
get
places
to
put
signs
that
don't
necessarily
meet
this
standard
that
we're
trying
to
approach
now,
and
you
can't
just
take
one
over
here
or
one
over
there
and
say:
well,
they
did
it
because
they
may
be
totally
different
scenarios.
So
it's
really
hard
I
have
to
agree
with
these
guys.
You
know
he's
kind
of
they're
not
apples
to
apples
all
the
time.
Listen.
B
What
it
comes
down
to
is,
basically
is
the
zoning
thing.
You
know
whether
you
put
a
sign
in
there,
whatever
you've
got
north
east
south
and
west
zone
one
thing
zone,
and
then
you
want
to
arbitrarily
come
in
and
put
a
commercial
right
in
the
middle
of
it,
and
so
it's
not
part
of
a
comprehensive
zoning
plan.
It's
not
part
of
a
smart
zone
plan
or
anything
like
that.
Just
put
commercial
right
in
the
middle
of
something:
that's
not
commercial!
That's
the
spot!
A
K
Will
make
this
question
or
comment
to
the
staff,
and
so
when
you
determine
I'm,
looking
at
understanding
spot
zoning,
the
issue
and
the
land
use
land
law
and
zoning?
What
constitutes
spot
zoning
and
you
go
through
it
and
it
talks
about
that
and
the
last
thing
it
says
the
surrounding
area,
for
the
benefit
of
the
owner
of
such
property
and
to
the
detriment
of
other
owners.
Was
that
discussed
when
t
when
y'all
deliberated
on
what
spot
zoning
to
the
detriment
of
the
other
owners
was
their
detriment
to
the
other
owners?
C
C
H
M
H
A
Okay,
I
think
we
beat
this
pretty
good,
okay
and
here's
what
here's?
What
I'd
like
to
do?
First,
question:
I,
don't
ask
y'all
is
we
do
not
have
but
six
members
sitting
up
there.
So
well,
that's
reading
that
we
have
six
and-
and
that
was
one
list
at
what
you
had
a
little
while
ago.
So
do
you
still
want
us
to
vote
on
this
tonight?