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A
President,
thank
you,
mr
secretary.
Please
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
members
are
present.
We
have
a
quorum
good
morning.
Members.
Thank
you
all
as
always
for
for
being
here
this
morning,
and
I
know
we're
going
to
engage
in
some
thoughtful
dialogue
today
and
and
hopefully
be
able
to
do
something
good
for
nevada,
as
we
try
to
do
every
single
morning
for
those
of
you
watching
us
virtually.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
A
We
want
to
remind
you
that
we'll
be
doing
public
comment
at
the
end
of
today's
meeting
and
today
on
the
agenda.
We
have
one
bill.
It's
assembly
bill
186
before
we
open
up
that
hearing.
I
want
to
remind
members
to
please
keep
your
microphones
on
mute
unless
you
are
speaking
and
that
you
please
keep
your
cameras
on
at
all
times.
Unless
you
have
an
emergency,
please
just
give
me
a
heads
up
and
turn
it
off
to
handle.
Whatever
matter
you
got
to
resolve
with
that.
A
This
morning
we
have
assembly
bill
186
and
we're
going
to
welcome
back
assemblywoman
gwen
who's
now,
making
it
a
habit
to
make
this
her
home.
It's
his
second
home
assemblywoman.
Whenever
you're
ready,
we'll
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill,
186.
F
Thank
you,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
I
am
rochelle
nguyen.
I
represent
assembly
district
10
in
southern
nevada
in
central
las
vegas,
and
I
am
here
to
present
assembly
bill
186
for
your
consideration
and
it
is
a
pleasure
to
be
back.
It
is
my
second
favorite
morning
committee
and
I
do
seem
to
be
spending
a
lot
of
time
here.
So
perhaps
I
can
get
some
honorary
membership
in
government
affairs,
this
session
assembly
bill
186.
What's
the
problem?
Ticket
and
arrest
quotas
are
perverse.
F
They
are
perverse
policy
policing
activity
that
may
times
be
used
to
fund
peace
departments
and
also
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
peace
officers.
Their
use
damages
the
integrity
of
law
enforcement
and
communities
throughout
nevada
quotas
set
a
predetermined
number
of
transactions
that
peace
officers
are
required
to
issue
in
a
given
time
frame.
This
practice
has
been
criticized
as
a
revenue
generating
measure
that
encourages
unjust,
policing
pressures
officers
to
unfairly
target
individuals,
particularly
near
the
end
of
a
given
quota
period,
whether
in
fact
quotas
exist
or
are
in
practice.
F
I
think
we
are
all
familiar
with
the
concept
that
I'm
talking
about.
I'm
sure
that
many
of
you
have
been
driving
around
your
communities
and
you
see
a
disproportionate
number
of
police
officers
pulling
over
drivers
and
you
think
hey.
It
must
be
the
end
of
the
month
and
they're
trying
to
get
their
quota
of
tickets.
F
F
Further,
the
domino
effect
of
officers
making
arrests
based
on
quotas
can
have
a
negative
effect
across
the
justice
system,
including
overworked
investigators,
crowded
jails
and
overburdened
courts.
However,
by
far
the
worst
effect
of
quotas
is
on
the
individuals
who
otherwise
would
not
get
caught
up
in
the
justice
system.
The
long-term
ripple
effect
on
people's
livelihoods,
families,
finances
and
future
job
prospects
can
be
devastating,
particularly
for
people
who
are
barely
getting
by.
F
As
is
assembly
bill,
186
seeks
to
prohibit
law
enforcement
agencies
for
more
cri,
requiring
a
peace
officer
to
issue
a
certain
number
of
traffic
citations
or
make
a
certain
number
of
arrests.
In
addition,
under
this
bill,
a
peace
officer's
evaluation,
salary
or
eligibility
for
promotion
must
not
consider
the
number
of
tickets
or
arrests
issued.
If
we
can
improve
the
environment
in
which
our
peace
officers
interact
with
our
citizens,
the
effect
may
be
less
claims
of
unnecessary
targeting
and
use
of
force.
F
There
are
other,
more
effective
ways
to
evaluate
the
performance
of
peace
officers
and
most
of
our
law
enforcement
agencies
are
actually
doing
this.
Peace
officers
should
be
incentivized
for
productivity
by
considering
the
other
types
of
data
and
focusing
more
on
technique,
demeanor
and
meaningful
outcomes.
If
we
can
do
away
with
quotas,
an
officer's
direct
supervisor
will
have
more
subjectivity
when
evaluating
the
effectiveness
of
their
employees
work.
Finally,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
many
states
have
implemented
anti-quota
legislation,
including
iowa,
minnesota,
missouri,
montana,
nebraska,
pennsylvania
and
illinois,
just
to
name
a
few.
F
That
concludes
my
brief
opening
remarks
and
at
this
time
I
would
now
like
to
provide
eddie
ab,
lester
and
troy
crew
me
the
opportunity
to
provide
some
additional
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
186
and
also
they
would
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
bill
and
the
conceptual
amendment
that
I
apologize
came
late
and
I
also
see
that
there's
some
typos
in
it
so,
but
I
think
the
intent
is
very
clear
in
the
language
in
section
one,
we
were,
after
consulting
with
all
of
the
stakeholders,
the
suggest
language,
and
with
that
and
the
chair's
permission,
I
would
like
to
turn
this
over
to
eddie
adlesser.
A
B
B
E-D-I-E-A-B-L-E-S-E-R
we're
proud
to
represent
the
nevada
police
union.
This
is
the
first
statewide
category,
one
peace
officer
union
that
encompasses
the
brave
women
and
men
from
state
parks,
university,
police,
game
wardens
and
the
department
of
public
safety.
I
want
to
extend
a
special
thank
you
to
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
her
leadership
and
sponsorship
of
this
very
important
issue.
B
Our
goal
at
the
nevada
police
union
is
to
support
reasonable,
common-sense
policies
that
drive
directly
at
the
primary
goal
of
law
enforcement,
and
that
is
to
keep
all
in
our
communities
safe.
It
is
with
that
intent
that
the
nevada
police
union
has
brought
the
problem
of
quotas
in
citations
and
arrests
commonly
known
as
policing
for
profit.
B
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
the
practice
of
demanding
a
specific
quantity
of
citations
and
arrests
from
management
to
line
level
staff
does
not
adhere
to
the
mission
of
keeping
everyone
in
our
community
safe.
While
evaluating
officers
based
on
the
number
of
citations
and
arrests
was
a
way
of
managing
in
the
1970s.
B
This
methodology's
time
has
come
and
gone.
What
this
method
does
is
hurt
the
most
vulnerable
and
underprivileged
citizens
in
our
community.
Moreover,
underprivileged
and
communities
of
color
disproportionately
affected
by
these
practices.
An
example
is
that
the
men
and
women
from
low-income
communities
that
oftentimes
cannot
afford
basic
vehicle
repairs
such
as
a
broken
tail
light
or
headlight,
not
to
mention
expired
registration
when
there
is
a
quota
on
file
or
in
practice
by
police
management.
B
B
In
some
circumstances,
officers
are
being
pushed
to
average
around
100
citations
per
month,
along
with
the
many
other
tasks
that
they
engage
in
management
generally
does
not
put
quotas
into
writing,
although
verbally
they
will
tell
officers
to
push
for
higher
numbers,
often
writing
a
ticket
where
they're
often
writing
tickets
near
the
end
of
their
month
that
they
might
not
normally
write.
If
officers
do
not
meet
these
quotas
and
they
may
also
face
possible
financial
punishment
by
getting
a
do
not
meet
standards
on
their
work.
B
B
Another
example
is
the
officer
who
was
actually
honored
and
praised
by
mad
mothers
against
drunk
drivers
for
the
great
work
in
the
substantial
dui
arrests
in
protecting
the
roadways
from
inebriated
drivers.
This
officer
gave
was
given
so
much
grief
about
not
writing
enough
tickets
and
focusing
too
much
on
dui
is
that
eventually,
the
officer
increased,
their
numbers
of
citations
did
not
focus
on
the
duis
as
much
and
management
never
complained
to
that
officer
again.
B
B
Furthermore,
these
agencies
are
prohibited
from
considering
the
number
of
citations
and
arrests
in
the
peace
officers,
performance
review
and
should
not
factor
into
promotions
or
salary
assignments.
A
quota
might
be
good
for
manufacturing
factories.
They
simply
have
no
place
in
modern
day
policing.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
morning,
in
consideration
of
this
bill,
I'm
available
for
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
I
know
my
colleague
from
metro
troy's
croom
is
on,
wants
to
provide
some
testimony
from
his
side
as
well.
F
G
Good
morning,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee,
please
excuse
me-
I
have
my
notes
off
to
my
side
here,
so
I
keep
track.
I
jotted
some
things
down
last
night
for
the
record.
My
name
is
troyce
t-r-o-y-c-e,
last
name
crew.
Me
k-r-u-m-m-e.
G
I
am
a
sergeant
with
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department
and
I
currently
serve
as
the
vice
chairman
for
the
las
vegas
police
managers
and
supervisors
association
at
the
pmsa.
We
are
also
proud
members
of
the
public
safety
alliance
of
nevada
and
we
represent
over
10
000
officers
across
the
state
of
nevada,
stretching
from
reno
all
the
way
down
to
las
vegas,
and
I'm
here
speaking
on
their
half
as
what
as
well,
we
would
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
nguyen
and
the
sponsors
of
this
bill
for
taking
up
this
legislation.
G
G
Excuse
me
what
the
over-reliance
of
stats
has
produced
is
pressures
from
executive
management
down
to
the
line
officers
to
produce
in
areas
of
increasing
vehicle
and
person,
stops
writing
citations
and
making
arrests.
While
all
these
actions
are
legal
in
the
eyes
of
the
nevada,
revised
statute,
those
may
have
otherwise
not
have
been
made
due
to
officer
discretion.
Absent
pressures
from
above
stops
such
as
these
result
in
unnecessary
police
citizen
contacts.
G
When
assemblywoman
win
approached
our
group
regarding
this
bill,
we
were
enthused
that
a
reform
topic
such
as
this
was
being
taken.
Our
only
concern
with
the
initial
language
was
that
we
felt
it
limited
the
supervisor's
ability
to
hold
the
rare
officer
that
simply
does
doesn't
work
when
he
comes
to
work
accountable.
G
The
community
should
expect,
as
well
as
police
leaders,
expect
police
officers
to
show
up
to
work
and
do
their
best
to
keep
the
community
safe.
So
the
accountability,
the
accountability
piece
on
work
performance
was
important
to
us
at
the
supervisor
level.
The
amended
language
that
assemblywoman
win
has
offered
accomplishes
that
mission
in
a
fortune
500
company,
the
leaders
are
accountable
to
its
shareholders
in
policing.
G
G
Public
trust
should
be
the
metric
by
which
police
effectiveness
is
measured.
We
believe
this
bill
outlawing
quotas,
both
implied
and
overt,
will
accomplish
this
mission.
It
is
time
for
police
executives
to
strategize
based
on
positive
progress
rather
than
bean
county,
and
I
am
also
here
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
And
thank
you
to
all
three
of
you
this
morning
for
joining
us
and
walking
us
through
the
objective
of
this
bill.
Excuse
me:
we
have
quite
a
quite
a
few
questions,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
off
with
assemblywoman
thomas.
H
Good
morning
cheer
and
thank
you,
assemblywoman
wen,
for
the
presentation-
and
I
do
appreciate
the
bill
as
a
citizen
of
las
vegas,
nevada
and
assembly
district
17
in
beautiful
north
las
vegas,
you
know
every
and
at
the
end
of
the
month
we
do
see
a
high
number
of
our
police
officers
at
checkpoints
and
a
lot
of
pullovers.
H
But
my
question
has
to
do
with
the
bill
is
good,
but
what's
the
effectiveness
of
the
bill?
How
do
I
know
that
this
bill
will
ensure
that
all
police
departments
across
the
board
will
adhere
to
the.
H
Adhere
to
what
this
bill
stands
for
because,
right
now
I
don't
see
you
know
how
we
can.
Maybe
you
know
with
disobedience
to
the
bill.
You
know
this
practice
will
continue.
What's
the
meat
of
the
issue
of
ensuring
that
this
bill
will
be
effective,
thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
thomas
rose
shall
win
for
the
record
chairmaker.
May
I
go
directly
to
the
member
asking
the
question.
F
Thank
you,
assemblywoman,
thomas,
that
that
that
is
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
when
I
was
first
approached
with
the
the
bill
idea
to
ban
quotas.
My
first
thought
was:
oh,
my
gosh.
Do
we
still
have
quotas?
Is
that
something
that
still
exists
in
statute?
Is
that
still
something
that
exists
in
different
departments?
F
And
I
learned
that
there
are
certain
agencies
that
still
do
have
them
to
a
certain
extent,
and
then
it
got
to
a
larger
question
of
like
how
do
you
take
care
of
this
like
cultural,
like
shift
in
this
cultural
change,
and
I
know
that,
like
most
agencies,
I
don't
think
including
metro
and
other
agencies
will
come
in
and
say
we
don't
have
quotas
we're
against
quotas,
but
they,
obviously
you
can
see
some
of
the
pervasive.
F
Like
you
know,
philosophy
behind
quotas
still
exist
there
when
you
see
like
tons
of
police
officers,
making
arrests
at
a
certain
time
of
the
month.
I
you
know
you
can
hear
from
supervisors
and
management
that
it
is
something
that
we
have
just
become
accustomed
to
in
law
enforcement
to
quantifying
that
number,
because
it
is
easy
to
quantify
that
number.
F
Those
are
not
things
that
are
easily
quantified
and
they
should
be
quantified
if
we're
going
to
start
putting
numbers
on
things
like
how
many
of
these
more
like
evidence-based
policing
practices,
should
be
rewarded
within
that,
like
promotion
and
evaluation
system.
F
So
we'll
will
this
like
completely
eliminate
that
probably
not,
but
I
think
it
is
a
very
good
step
in
the
right
direction
in
giving
guidance
on
what
our
policy
is
as
a
state
to
curb,
like
you
know,
these
negative,
unnecessary
policing
for
profit
and
interactions
with
our
community-
and
I
think,
probably
eddie
and
troys-
might
be
able
to
expand
on
that
as
well,
because
they
are
obviously
in
the
flight
field
doing
this
work,
so
I
can
turn
it
over
to
them
if
they
have
any
other
further
remarks.
B
Assemblywoman,
thomas
through
through
chair
flores
eddie
apples
for
the
record,
I
would
contend
that
the
subsection
two
of
the
bill
provides.
What
I
believe
is
a
significant.
B
Structure
in
prohibiting
this
practice
from
being
widespread
within
departments.
Unfortunately,
we
know
through
work
performance
standards.
There
is
a
quantified
value
that
every
employee
is
based
on.
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
example
of
state
employees
at
the
department
of
administration
has
work
performance
standards
for
all
state
employees,
they're
all
judged
based
off
of
the
same
form,
and
there
is
a
box
on
that
form.
B
When
I
was
a
former
administrator,
I
did
it
as
well,
and
it
had
to
do
with
quantifiable
data,
and
you
evaluated
your
employee
based
on
this
quantifiable
data
and
so
in
the
department
of
public
safety,
state
parks,
wildlife,
university
police
in
their
work
performance
data
standards.
They
have
quantifiable
data,
which
is
how
many
tickets,
how
many
arrests
did
that
individual?
B
Do
we
want
to
pivot
away
from
this
legalistic
style
of
policing
and
move
more
towards
a
service
style
watchdog,
style,
policing
that
engages
with
the
public
and
create
creates
a
broader
trust
in
our
experience,
working
with
the
women
and
men
on
the
line
level,
they
do
not
desire
to
go
out
and
just
create
unnecessary
contact
with
the
public.
B
G
Yes
to
assemblywoman
thomas
through
chair
flores,
I'm
going
to
offer
a
hypothetical.
I
think
I
understand
the
question
is:
is
how
do
we
hold
agencies
accountable
for
violating
this
law
and
and
I'll
just
be
honest-
I
don't
know
the
the
law
as
written
will,
but
I'm
going
to
offer
you
how
it
can
be
effective
anyway,
so
this
law
is
going
to
be
put
into
289,
which
is
otherwise
known
as
the
officer
bill
of
rights.
G
So
I'm
going
to
paint
a
hypothetical
question
of
how
that
law
can
be
used
to
address
an
agency
from
an
officer
perspective.
Let's
say
you
have
a
young
lady
who
comes
on
the
police
department.
She
wants
to
make
a
difference
in
her
community.
She
gets
hired
on
and
he
wants
to
help
the
community.
So
in
her
day-to-day
business
you
know
she
goes
out.
Maybe
she
you
know,
goes
through
mario's
market
on
the
corner
of
lake
mead
and
mlk
and
sees
the
lady
taking
her
groceries
out.
G
She
helps
the
lady
with
the
groceries
and
she
has
some
conversations
about
the
community.
She
reads
to
some
kids
at
the
local
elementary
school
to
try
to
build
on
positive
community
relations.
She
helps
out
at
the
the
bold
and
little
league,
which
is
a
little
league
that
got
started
a
few
years
ago
to
to
address
the
community
and
that's
how
she
spends
her
day.
Yes,
she
answers
calls
for
service.
Yes,
she
solves
conflicts.
G
Yes,
she
makes
appropriate
arrests
when
probable
cause
exists
and
it's
the
the
right
way
to
quail
a
certain
situation,
but
that's
not
the
focus
of
her
time,
the
focus
of
the
times
on
the
community
and
then
we
come.
She
spends
three
days
of
her
work
week,
doing
that
we
come
to
her
fourth
day
and
because
of
some
pressures
from
above,
because
the
arrest
numbers
aren't
where
the
area
command
would
like
them
to
be
when
they
have
to
report
up
she's
pulled
aside
thanked
for
all
her
great
work
but
told
hey
your
arrest.
G
G
What
they
feel
is
pressure
to
produce
these
things.
So
if
a
sergeant
sees
his
numbers
low-
and
he
knows
that
the
lieutenant
is
possibly
going
to
ask
him
questions,
it's
easier
just
to
ask
the
officer
to
go
out
there
and
do
what
he
knows
she
can
do
well.
What
type
of
attitude
is
she
now
going
to
go
into
that
shift
with
and
she's
going
to
go
down
to
her
local
area,
and
maybe
she
spots
a
gentleman
jaywalking.
G
The
gentleman
feels
like
the
police
are
just
messing
with
him
and
unfortunately,
in
this
case
he
might
be
accurate,
because
the
only
reason
she's
potentially
stopping
him
is
to
meet
this
this,
this
standard,
by
which
so
she
doesn't
get
catch
brief
at
the
end
of
the
shift.
Well,
if
that
call
somehow
goes
bad,
the
headline
is
call
goes
bad
or
use
of
force
used
to
stop
jaywalking.
In
fact,
that's
not
what
happened?
G
G
She
could
tell
her
association,
hey,
I'm
feeling
pressured
to
to
to
to
produce
these
numbers
that
in
nrs
289
prohibit
and
the
association
act
on
her
behalf
can
file
a
grievance
with
the
agency.
Now
is
one
grievance
of
this
measure
going
to
make
a
difference?
No,
but
if
the
processes
don't
stop
at
a
particular
agency
and
grievances
start
to
pile
up,
those
can
then
be
presented
to
say
that
another
legislative
session,
or
to
independent
third
parties
to
say,
hey
the
problem,
the
the
the
way
we
tried
to
solve
the
problem
isn't
working.
G
Maybe
we
need
to
take
it
a
step
further,
in
my
opinion,
with
it-
and
I
know
it
sounds
bad
from
the
union
guy,
you
know
asking
the
union
to
help
out
with
effectiveness
on
on
agencies
and
creating
better
community
relations.
I
think
that's
a
way
that
this
law
can
be
used
to
address
that.
I
hope
I
answered
your
question.
H
Thank
you.
I
don't
want
to
butcher
your
name.
Is
it
from
me?
It's
croomy
long,
all
right,
prumie!
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
explanation
and
chair
just
to
follow
up.
H
Thank
you
so
much
so
if
I
understand
this
correctly
officer
alves
here
and
he
may
I
like
that
anyway,
you
would
suggest
that
the
culture
and
leadership
should
change
and
the
only
way
that
you
could
effectively
get
them
to
change
is
perhaps
through
your
union
by
using
this
bill.
G
Either
one
assembly
woman
through
through
chair
floor
is
this
is
troy's
criminal
for
the
record.
That's
100
percent,
correct
assembly
woman
in
in,
in
our
opinion,
to
effectively
reform
policing
you
have
to
perform
at
the
executive
level
a
an
anecdote
that
I
use
the
the
the
the
navy
guy
swabbing,
the
deck
isn't
even
allowed
up
in
the
room
where
the
steering
will
exist
to
turn
the
ship.
There's.
G
Only
one
person
on
the
ship
allowed
to
turn
allowed
to
steer
the
ship
in
a
different
direction,
and
I
believe
that
should
be
our
goal
with
the
community
and
policing
is
to
kind
of
steer.
This
ship
steer
steer
the
ship
into
a
different
culture,
and
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
effective
it
is
to
affect
executive
leadership.
I
I
think
the
executives
in
nevada
by
far
do
a
really
good
job.
I
I
know
the
sheriff
that
I
work
for
does,
does
amazing
work
and
supports
his
officers.
G
However,
the
over-reliance
on
stats
is
a
culture
thing.
It
is
not
a
specific
police
executive
thing,
it
started
in
the
70s,
80s
and
90s.
You
know
you
could
say
what
you
want
about
the
broken
windows
theories
and
and
and
and
the
chief
of
police
that
that
ushered
in
compstat
and
and
and
and
the
idea
that
stats
is
what
creates
productivity
that
not
with
all
not
notwithstanding.
G
A
C
Thank
you,
chair
flores.
Thank
you.
Assemblywoman
went
for
bringing
this
bill
forward,
yeah,
really
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
how
the
conversation
flushes
out.
My
question
is
relative
to
anticipated
cost
savings.
C
If
we
are
going
to
rely
less
on
arrests
and
the
supporting,
I
think
the
supporting
processes
right,
that
that
support
arrests
and
instead
issue
citations
does
do.
We
anticipate
that
potentially
cost
savings
for
some
of
our
departments
that
we
could
then
reallocate
toward
more
community
engagement
activities.
Has
anybody
flushed
the
numbers
out.
F
Rochelle
nguyen
for
the
record,
thank
you
for
your
question.
Assemblywoman
brownmay,
you
know
we
haven't
looked
at
it
from
a
financial
aspect.
Honestly,
I
don't
know
if
mr
ablester
has
some
additional
details,
you
know
banning
quotas
across
the
country
has
become
something
that
I
think
people
are
trying
to
make
that
policy
shift
most
evidence-based
policing
realizes
that
the
number
of
arrests
does
not
necessarily
make
your
community
safer,
and
so
I
know
that
they
have
all
like
police.
F
Our
pl
law
enforcement
agencies
currently
have
lots
of
different
like
avenues
to
address,
and
you
know
policing
and
crime
prevention,
as
well
as
like
enforcement,
and
they
don't
always
have
to
end
in
an
arrest.
Sometimes
they
can
issue
a
warning.
Sometimes
it
can
be.
You
know,
directing
people
to
other
resources
in
the
community
and
working
with
co.
You
know
their
community
policing
programs
as
well
as
their
community
partners.
So
I
I
don't
know
I
don't
know.
Mr
ablester,
do
you
have
any
information
about
cost
savings.
B
Eddie
apple's
for
the
record
chairman
flores
and
the
assemblywoman
ground,
may
we
we
have
not
analyzed
or
done
a
financial
audit
of
what
it
would
look
like.
I
think
there
is
speculative
and
I
think,
strong
assumptive
reasoning,
that
if
you
pull
that
thread
and
you
look
at
the
the
goal
and
purpose
of
the
exhaustive
men
and
women
that
are
on
the
streets-
they
you
know
they're
limited
so,
if
they're
playing
their
attention
to
citations
and
not
focusing
on
perhaps
other
preventative
or
helping
with
traffic
accidents
or
certain
calls
to
service
in
the
community.
B
C
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
response.
I
realized
we're
not
a
money
committee
and
I
certainly
didn't
want
to
sort
of
throw
a
monkey
in
the
wrench
here,
but
I
I
think
it's
a
a
great
thing
to
just
get
on
the
record
that,
as
we
shift
to
focus
on
policing,
potentially
that
could
be
an
area
where
we
would
continue
to
look.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
assemblymember
nguyen
for
bringing
this
forward
a
quick
question
that
is
not
necessarily
from
the
language
of
this
bill,
but
was
something
in
both
an
answer
that
you
gave
as
well
as
an
answer
that
I
believe
officer
sergeant,
I'm
sorry,
I've
got
I've
got
the
right
title.
A
master
crummy
kumiye
gave
as
well
for
the
evaluations
is
that
decision
made
at
the
state
level?
Is
that
made
at
a
county
level?
C
How
exactly
are
the
evaluations
set
up
number
one
and
the
number
two?
Is
there
a
way
to
start
adding
in
that
positive
community
experiences
as
part
of
the
evaluation
process?
So
I
realize
that's
not
germane
to
the
link
which
is
being
presented
today,
but
just
was
something
that,
based
upon
some
answers
that
that
was
received
just
made
me
think
about
some
items.
F
I
think
probably
rochelle
win
for
the
record,
I
think-
probably
maybe
I
don't
know
who
would
be
best
to
answer
this-
probably
mr
ablester
or
mr
crewmay,
just
because
I
know
that
they
work
in
this
field
and
they
know
how
you
know
this
would
be
enacted.
Do
you
either
have
an
answer.
B
Eddie,
that
was
for
the
record,
mr
chair
and
assemblywoman
anderson,
and
I
know
that
sergeant
cremaio
will
have
a
a
take
on
this,
especially
from
our
municipal
and
local
level
approach.
I'll
tell
you
that,
while
it's
not
germaine
to
this
piece
of
legislation,
I
would
encourage
legislators
to
review
the
department
administration's
work
performance,
standard
standardized
forms.
I
think
that
there's
value
in
differentiating
what
those
look
like
to
the
variety
of
employees
throughout
the
state
and
recognizing
that
not
all
should
be
evaluated
on
one
base
made
metric.
B
More
importantly,
how
can
we
encourage
our
law
enforcement
agencies
to
add
other
types
of
metrics
into
their
evaluation
process
and
encourage
them
to
utilize?
Some
of
the
other
fundamental
philosophies
of
policing
such
as
service-based,
policing
or
watchdog
and
engaged
policing,
and
so
I
think
those
would
be
much
more
valuable
to
the
evaluation
of
that
officer.
I
know
that
sergeant
gravey
has
some
some
anecdotes
and-
and
you
know
in
his
duty-
he's
had
experiences
so
I'm
sure
he
can
add
value
to
this
conversation
as
well.
G
Chairman,
please
assembly,
woman
anderson
through
chair
flores,
at
at
least
for
metro.
We
don't
list
statistics
on
our
evaluation
and
you
asked
about
the
evaluation
period.
Our
evaluation
periods
are
yearly
unless
you're,
a
probationary
employee,
meaning
newly
hired
coming
out
of
field
training
or
newly
promoted,
there's
a
one
year
probationary
period
and
you
are
evaluated
either
quarterly
or
every
six
months,
depending
on
which
position
you're
in
but
at
metro.
We
don't
specifically
talk
about
stats.
G
There
are
I
I
don't
want
to
call
them
generic
lines,
but
I
speak
plain
language.
There
are
generic
lines
that
kind
of
drives
the
supervisor
on
what
to
evaluate,
and
it's
really
up
to
the
supervisor
for
how
they
want
to
pull
the
employee
category
in
there.
If
you
were
asking
me,
I
would
love
and-
and
I
haven't
even
offered
this
before-
I
just
thought
about
it.
G
When
you
were
asking
the
question,
I
would
love
a
line
in
the
performance
evaluation
that
says
how
did
you
help
your
community
and
then
that
drives
some
conversation
with
the
officer
to
get
there.
So
you
know
you
asking
that
question
kind
of
drove
that,
but
to
answer
your
question
at
least
from
from
metro
the
stats
that
we're
talking
about
don't
specifically
appear
on
on
our
evaluations,.
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
clarification
and
I'm
sorry.
I
had
the
wrong
title
for
you
sergeant
for
me.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
C
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation,
assembly,
woman
win
and
for
this
legislation.
I
think
it's
really
clear
to
me
that
evidence-based
policing
is
about
preventing
crime
and
I
think
that
this
legislation
reinforces
what
we
know
to
be
evidence-based
policing.
So
I
appreciate
it
and
my
question
is
for
mr
cormay-
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
give
us
an
example
of
when
metro
implemented,
a
strategy
that
did
not
prior
to
prioritize
arrests
and
citations
as
a
performance
measure.
G
Certainly,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
for
the
record
choice
crew
me
through
chair
to
assemblywoman
torres
in
2015
in
metro's
bolden
area
command,
which
encompasses
all
if
not
most
or
most,
if
not
all,
of
the
historic
west
side
of
las
vegas.
G
G
So
from
the
captain
to
the
lieutenant
that
worked
with
the
captain,
the
lieutenants
and
the
supervisors
were
instructed
to
tell
their
officers
to
stop
worrying
about
the
stops.
Stop
worrying
about
the
number.
What
they
wanted
to
do
is
encourage
contact.
They
wanted
the
officers
to
get
out
of
their
cars.
Go
talk
to
people.
G
I
don't
know
if
everyone's
aware,
but
I
guarantee
you
the
ladies
sipping
her
lemonade
in
the
rocking
chair
on
the
front.
Porch
of
the
neighborhood
knows
everything
that's
going
on.
G
If
you
go
up
there
and
you
hand
her,
you
know
hand
her
a
bottle
of
water
on
a
hot
day
or
hand,
hand
her
a
cold
case,
homicide
flyer
and
start
to
build
conversation
that
that
show
and
tends
to
lead
to
community
trust.
The
metric
that
saw
this
succeed
over
a
90-day
period
was
that
violent
crime
dropped
61
percent.
G
So
if
we're,
if
we're
counting
beans
and
we're
saying
beans,
are
the
reason
that
happened,
you
would
say
well,
the
rest
must
have
went
up,
but
arrest
dropped
dramatically.
What
did
go
up
was
calls
for
service,
that
is,
the
community
reaching
out
to
the
police,
trusting
in
the
police
to
come
deal
with
an
issue
that
they
have.
G
Additionally,
there
was
an
another
captain
that,
in
2012
to
2014-ish
time
frame,
ran
a
similar
type
strategy
and
in
an
area
command
that
historically
had
the
highest
number
of
homicides
in
in
in
certain
years
in
a
new
number
of
years,
actually
saw
zero.
Homicides
take
place
over
a
19-month
period,
and
that
is
a
huge,
huge
leg
up.
So
it's
been
shown
to
work
and
it
can.
A
Thank
you.
Next,
if
we
can
go
to
assemblyman
ellison.
E
Thank
you,
miss
chair.
I
don't
have
a
problem
at
all
with
you
know,
going
after
nobody
should
be
on
a
quote
on
tickets,
but
one
of
the
things
that
you
said
one
of
the
officers
said
that
they
told
their
people
not
to
do
dui,
pullovers
and
arrests,
but
to
issue
tickets.
E
E
F
Rochelle
went
for
the
record,
I'll,
be
honest
with
you,
I
I
don't
remember
anyone
saying
it.
It
obviously
is
not
our
intent
to
stop
people
from
arresting
people
for
committing
crimes
that
endanger
our
public.
I
don't
think
there
is
a
police
officer
that
I
know
of
that.
I
would
hope,
does
not
exist.
That
would
not
arrest
someone
for
actively
committing
a
crime
such
as
dui.
F
So
I
I
I
didn't
hear
that
and
if
that
would
if
there
was
some
misunderstanding
where
that
came
out-
and
someone
said
that
I
don't
think
that
is
an
accurate
representation
of
our
intent
or
what
this
law
would
cover.
E
And
I
thank
you
for
that,
but
the
statement
was
that
one
of
the
officers
was
doing
more
dui
pullovers
than
writing
citations,
so
he
got
in
trouble
for
not
doing
more
tickets
and
stopped
doing
the
duis
and
that's
what
I
thought
I
understood
and
because
that's
important,
I
had
a
sister
hit
by
a
drunk
driver
being
a
flag
man
on
a
highway
many
many
many
years
ago
and
she
suffered
for
many
years
of
the
tragedy
she
went
through.
And
so
I
I
I
don't
stand
for
drunk
drivers.
E
F
I
I'm
sure
you
can
clarify,
I
can
see
mr
ablester
is
like
unmuted
himself,
so
maybe
he
can
clarify.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
assemblyman
ellison,
for
the
record
eddie
abiliser.
I
do
want
to
clarify
him,
not
an
officer.
I
work
with
tri
strategies.
We
are
the
firm
that
works
and
represents
nevada
police
union.
B
E
A
A
Broadcast,
could
you
please
assist
assembly
menelaus
and
I
don't
believe
he
can
hear
us
and
I
think
he's
oh
there
it
is,
has
somebody
noticing.
Can
you
hear
me
yeah?
I
can
now
yes.
E
B
Okay,
eddie,
obviously
again
for
the
record
and
assemblyman
alison
through
chair
flores.
The
point
I
was
getting
to
is:
we
have
multiple
stories
where
the
the
use
of
quotas
disincentivizes
officers
many
times
from
protecting.
You
know
the
safety
and
peace
of
the
public,
because
they
have
to
reach
a
certain
amount
of
citations
and
oftentimes
management
command
in
their
way.
B
Disincentivize
those
engagements
of
dui
stops
and
incentivizes
the
numeric
value
of
citation,
and
I
gave
an
anecdote
of
an
officer
who
was
praised
and
honored
by
mad
for
their
great
work
and,
and
they
were
unfortunately
not
praised
by
management
they're
disciplined
by
management
because
they
didn't
have
enough
citations.
I
think
that
was
the
story
that
you're
getting
to.
We
think
it's
very
unfortunate.
B
We
think
that
that
type
of
practice
for
management
should
never
exist,
that
our
officers,
who
are
out
there
doing
the
hard
good
work
of
keeping
the
roadways
safe,
should
be
praised
for
their
great
work
and
and
instead,
instead
removing
these
quotas,
which
is
the
intent
of
this
bill,
and
that's
why
we
brought
this
forward
assemblyman
that
we
believe
putting
these
prohibitions
in
place
for
law
enforcement
agencies
will
take
away
management's,
use
of
that
type
of
demand
or
order
on
quotas
for
citations
or
arrests,
so
that
our
officers
can
actually
get
out
and
do
the
full
breadth
of
their
job
in
protecting
the
public.
F
And
rochelle
for
the
record
just
to
clarify
assemblyman
ellison,
we're
using
that
that
term,
like
citations
so
like
in
this
example,
the
officer
was
making
dui
arrests
like
protecting
our
community
was
praised
by
community
groups
such
as
mothers
against
drunk
driving
and
then
internally
was
being
like
penalized
in
performance
evaluations
because
they
weren't
getting
out
other
types
of
traffic
citations,
and
so
this
is
what
this
law
intends
to
protect.
If
that
makes
sense,.
E
A
You
thank
you
assembly
and
I
think
you
just
endorsed
the
bill
there.
Assemblyman
ellison.
If
we
could
please
go
to
assemblyman
matthews,
please.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Welcome
back
assemblywoman
win,
it's
good
to
see
you
back
with
this
committee
again.
My
question
is
actually
for
sergeant
croomy
and
thank
you
for
your
remarks
sergeant
just
wondering
if-
and
you
touched
on
this
a
little,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
how
the
push
or
the
burden
of
knowing
that
you
have
to
make
an
arrest
or
or
write
a
citation,
how
that
would
negatively
impact
interaction
between
police
and
the
public.
Thank
you.
G
So
matthews,
that
is
a
great
question
and
for
the
record,
this
is
choice.
Croomey
through
chair
flores
to
assemblyman
matthews.
I
I
think
it's
all
based
in
attitude
to
tell
you
the
truth.
Attitude
for
the
most
part
will
dictate
how
a
contact
is
going
to
go
if,
if
an
officer
wishes
to
be
doing
some
other
some
or
some
other
type
of
community
contact
and
ops
that
he
has
to
make
this,
stop
that
he
wouldn't
otherwise
make
he's
already
got
potentially
a
negative
attitude.
G
In
my
opinion,
so
you
have,
you
potentially
have
an
officer
that
isn't
excited
about
making
the
stop
because
they
wouldn't
have
otherwise
done
it,
and
then
you
have
an
individual
who
doesn't
want
to
be
stopped
to
begin
with,
because
nobody
wants
to
be
stopped
by
the
police
and
you
can
kind
of
understand
where
those
two
negative
influences
come
together.
You
have
a
potential
for
a
bit
of
a
a
powder
keg,
so
to
speak,
and
again
I
apologize.
G
I
I
I
speak
plainly
sometimes
not
that
all
of
these
contacts
blow
up,
but
sometimes
they're,
not
nice,
whether
they're,
verbally
or
or
not,
and
and
in
our
opinion-
that's
why
this
bill
is
important
and
that's
what
drives
that,
and
I
just
if
I
can
have
a
minute
to
indulge.
I
do
want
to
a
lot
of
people
on
the
committee-
might
be
wondering.
Well,
if
they're
not
holding
them
accountable,
the
numbers,
how
can
they
hold
them
accountable
and
I
can
speak
as
a
supervisor.
G
G
In
light
of
this
bill
passing,
I
can
assure
the
committee
that
they
can
they'll
have
to
find
new
strategies,
which
is,
I
believe,
the
point
of
reform.
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
Assemblyman.
I
It
does
thank
you
and
mr
chair
follow
up.
If
I
may,
please.
A
I
Thank
you,
and
by
the
way
I
I
just
wanted
to
for
point
of
clarity.
I
think
this
is
a
really
really
good
bill,
so
I
thank
all
of
you
for
bringing
it
forward
mike.
My
second
question
would
be-
and
obviously
I
understand
you
know
very
clearly-
the
value
of
removing
the
consideration
of
numbers
of
citations
and
arrests
from
that
review
process.
I
I
would
imagine,
though,
that
there
is,
of
course,
value
in
the
the
data
and
the
statistics
on
the
number
of
arrests
and
citations
made
by
particular
officers
and
and
getting
a
good
handle
on
that
for
the
purpose
of
identifying.
You
know
possible
outliers
and
that
could
go
either
way.
You
know
you've
got
an
officer,
who's
who's,
making
a
disproportionately
low
or
specifically
higher
number
of
either.
I
would
think
that
that
is
something
worth
you
know
exploring.
I
So
I
wonder
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
absent
being
involved
in
the
review
process,
the
performance
review
process
for
that
officer.
What
might
be
done
with
that?
That
information?
If
you,
if
you
discover
there
is
an
officer
whose
numbers
are
just
you
know
way
out
of
sync
with
what
you
would
typically
expect,
what
might
be
done
to
address
that?
Thank
you.
G
Chair
flores,
troy
scroomy
for
the
record
through
you
to
assemblyman
matthews.
Just
so
I
can
clarify
the
question:
are
you
asking
what
type
of
accountability
piece
could
could
happen
if,
if
the
numbers
were
low.
I
Well,
either
way,
you
know
if
you
have
a
particular
officer
whose
numbers
have
either
arrest
or
citations
on
either
the
low
end
or
the
high
end
just
really
jump
out
as
as
an
outlier,
you
know
very
different
from
say
the
rest
of
the
the
force.
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
walk
through
a
little
bit
without
it
being
used
in
the
review
and
performance
review
process.
I
G
Understand
so
speaking
from
metro
and
obviously
at
the
municipal
level,
our
performance
evaluations
are
are,
are
written
yearly
and
my
executive
management
might
not
like
me
saying
this
and
I
don't
want
to
say
they're
discounted,
but
the
more
effectiveness
is
leading
throughout
the
year,
not
at
the
when
we
sit
down
and
write
it
on
a
piece
of
paper.
G
So
if,
if
let's
say
I
had
a
a
patrol
officer
and
let's
go
to
the
to
the
extreme
high
end,
first
and
his
numbers
were
were
were
out
of
out
of
line
with
the
rest
of
his
squad
working
same
days
off
same
areas,
I
would
tell
you
what
I
would
do
is
which
I
should
be
doing
anyways,
but
I
would
pay
more
attention
to
read
the
details
of
his
arrest.
G
Why
is
he
making
the
arrest
what's
going
on?
Does
he
think
he
needs
to
make
these
arrests
just
to
produce
numbers?
Does
he
have
a
misinterpretation
of
how
the
department
and
his
boss
feels
about
him
and
go
over
the
the
quality
of
his
work
rather
than
the
quantity?
The
reason
quality
is
important
if,
if
he
stops
somebody
because,
through
his
training
experience,
he
identifies
that
what
this
person
is
doing
in
a
certain
neighborhood
doesn't
look
right
and-
and
you
know
in
policing,
we
use
jdlr.
It
just
doesn't
look
right.
G
That's
kind
of
raises
the
hair
on
the
back
of
our
neck
and
we
articulate
some
reasonable
suspicion
to
stop
them
and
we
run
their
their
background.
And
let's
say
they
have
a
series
of
robbery
convictions
in
in
their
area,
and
we
happen
to
have
a
high
level
of
robberies
going
on
in
that
particular
area
and
and
he
makes
an
arrest
because
the
person
has
a
violent
crime
warrant.
I'm.
G
Officer
to
for
effectuating
that
arrest,
if
all
of
his
arrests
are
for
minor
traffic
citations
that
went
to
a
warrant
while
some
of
those
are
effective,
a
warrant
signed
by
a
judge
is
in
order
by
a
judge
to
bring
the
person
to
court,
but
nevada.
Revised
statute
gives
us
discretion
for
a
reason,
and
I
believe
that's
why
so
that
so
from
an
accountability
piece,
I
don't
know
that
I
would
necessarily
put
it
on
a
performance
review.
G
H
Thank
you
so
much
mr
chair
and
I
just
want
to
agree
with
assemblyman
matthews.
I
think
this
is
a
great
bill
and
I'm
not
sure
who
this
question
might
be
for
and
maybe
no
one's
going
to
want
to
take
it,
but
I'm
just
kind
of
curious,
besides
performance
evaluations,
what
other
reasons
are
there
for
quotas?
I
mean:
do
the
courts
rely
pretty
heavily
on
on
the
fines
that
you
generate?
F
Assemblywoman
roshawn
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Assemblywoman
dickman
and
I
appreciate
your
support
of
assemblybill186.
You
know,
like
our
local
law
enforcement
agencies
are
not
funded
through
traffic
tickets.
F
They
are,
they
are
not
receiving
that
money
directly.
Some
of
our
courts
have
some
of
those
provisions
that
currently
should
go
can
go
to
there's
like
a
awkward
distribution.
I
do
have
an
assembly
bill
to
decriminalize
traffic,
so
you
will
see
some.
Hopefully
some
changes
in
that
area
on
how
we
are
funding
our
court
systems
and
how
we
are
collecting
those
fees
for
that.
I
think
that
is
a
larger
policy
issue
that
we
probably
should
address
as
a
state
on
how
we
are
funding
our
courts,
how
we
are
funding
our
government.
F
I
think
that's
a
bigger
picture.
This
bill,
you
know,
doesn't
directly
relate
to
that,
but
I
think
it
is
a
change
that
is
necessary.
I
think
it
is
evidence-based.
I
think
it
incorporates
better
practices,
you
know
going
forward
and
I
think
it
will
lead
to
better
relationships
amongst
our
law
enforcement
and
our
communities.
F
A
H
F
I
I
think
it
is
difficult
to
change
a
culture,
as
you
heard,
from
some
of
the
testimony
of
the
people
that
are
in
these,
like
industries
and
the
anecdotal
evidence
and
like
their
examples
in
the
community
about
being
penalized
or
being
talked
to
about
either
high
numbers
or
low
numbers
or
the
fact
that
we're
still
talking
about
numbers.
I
think
that
it
is
very
much
ingrained
in
the
culture
of
law
enforcement
and
I
think,
moving
to
some
of
these
more
evidence-based
practices.
F
These
deterrent
practices
that
have
been
shown
to
show
like
significant
decreases
in
violent
crime,
to
be
to
show
like
that,
increased
trust
and
reliance
with
law
enforcement
and
community
partners,
not.
C
F
I
would
be
honored
to
add
you
on
vice
chair
and
if
there
are
any
other
members
that
are
on
this
committee
that
would
like
to
be
amended
into
the
bill,
please
feel
free
to
reach
out.
There
obviously
is
a
forthcoming
amendment
with
section
one
taking
up
that
suggest
language.
So
if
you
do
have
interest,
please
let
me
know,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
add
you
on.
A
Assemblywoman
I
was
hoping
that
you'd
be
the
first
one
to
say
no
to
someone
try
to
add
themselves
as
a
sponsor.
I
don't
know,
we've
ever
had
that,
but
I
I
had
my
fingers
crossed
that
you
would
say
no
to
the
vice
chair
and
then
that
she
would
in
a
very
disappointed
manner,
turn
off
the
camera.
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
members
for
all
the
questions.
At
this
point,
I
don't
believe,
mr
chairman.
A
Thank
you
assemblyman
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
invite
those
wishing
to
speak
and
support.
I'm
first
going
to
check
to
see
if
we
have
anybody
wishing
to
speak
and
support
that
is
joining
us
virtually.
I
believe
we
do
have
somebody
joining
us.
Virtually
wishing
to
speak
and
support
is
that
is
that
correct,
broadcast.
A
Good
morning,
sir
we'll
go,
we
have
now
opened
up
for
those
wishing
to
speak
in
support
of
assembly
bill
186
and
we'll
have
you
start
it
off
good
morning
and
welcome
good
morning.
D
For
the
record,
daniel
honcharoo
h-o-n-c-h-a-r-I-w,
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
policy
research
institute,
npri
supports
ab186
and
thanks
sponsors
and
specifically
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
bringing
it
forth.
Never
should
law
enforcement
be
incentivized
to
find
crime.
Any
policies
which
encourage
law
enforcement
to
do
so
typically
result
in
dramatic
disparate
impacts
on
marginalized
communities.
D
We've
seen
this
pattern
before,
specifically
in
regards
to
nevada's
laws
governing
civil
asset
forfeiture
when
police
are
incentivized,
financially
or
otherwise,
to
locate
potential
criminal
activity.
It
is
lower
income.
Minority
neighborhoods,
which
suffer
most
additionally
prohibiting
the
use
of
quotas
is
hardly
a
novel
concept,
as
the
assemblywoman
explained.
She
mentioned
a
few
states
which
have
passed
laws
to
restrict
or
entirely
prohibit
the
use
of
such
quotas
while
assessing
the
quality
and
the
and
or
performance
of
a
peace
officer.
But
I'll
add
to
that
list.
D
A
And
thank
you.
I
don't
believe
we
have
anybody
else
wishing
to
join
us
via
video
at
this
time,
we'll
go
to
the
phone
lines
broadcast
if
we
could
go
to
the
phone
lines
and
invite
those
wishing
to
speak
in
support
of
assembly
bill
186.
J
J
K
Good
morning,
chair
flores
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
holly
welbourne,
h,
o
l,
l
y
w
e
l
b,
o
r
n
policy
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
Here
in
support
of
ab186.
I
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
thompson
or
excuse
me,
thomas
for
her
question.
I'd
like
to
just
address
a
few
issues
first,
because
I
think
that
that
question
brings
up
the
larger
issue
about
the
deep
problems
associated
with
chapter
289
of
the
nevada
rights
statutes
and
the
public's
ability
and
law
enforcement.
Management's
ability
to
hold
individual
officers
accountable
for
misconduct.
K
Chapter
289
is
full
of
provisions
that
suppress
evidence
of
misconduct
in
internal
affairs
investigations
and
in
civil
cases.
It's
frustrating
for
us,
the
civil
rights
organization,
to
have
to
deal
with
that.
However,
that
issue
will
require
an
entirely
new
piece
of
legislation
and
an
examination
of
why
we
have
decided,
as
a
legislature
and
as
a
state
to
codify
law
enforcement.
K
Collective
bargaining
agreements,
but
our
hands
are
not
completely
tied
in
holding
folks
accountable
under
the
provisions
that
this
bill
would
create
it
chapter
289
does
present
challenges,
but
it's
not
the
only
road
to
holding
law
enforcement
agencies
accountable
through
the
courts.
This
bill
will
give
us
the
tools
that
we
need
to
monitor
law
enforcement
behavior.
I
am
happy
to
send
the
committee
information
from
a
lawsuit,
that's
developing
in
rhode,
island
under
a
very
similar
law
with
a
peace
officer,
bill
of
rights.
K
That's
very
similar
to
ours,
I'll,
be
sure
to
share
that
information
with
the
committee.
I
don't
want
to
yet
again
see
another
exclusion
of
evidence,
but
this
prohibition
and
this
bill
is
absolutely
necessary.
As
a
matter
of
policy.
Quotas
lead
to
illegal
arrests,
unnecessary
encounters
with
law
enforcement
and
ruined
lives.
A
quota
policy
can
only
generate
disrespect
for
and
cynicism
about,
law
enforcement.
We
thank
assemblywoman
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
encourage
the
committee
support.
A
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
We
could
go
to
the
next
caller
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill
186.
J
H
H
Police
are
more
like
more
likely
to
write
tickets
to
black
and
brown
community
communities,
which
continuously
puts
us
and
our
communities
in
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
It
is
important
to
know
to
know
the
great
effect
that
it
can
have
on
our
communities.
An
unpaid
ticket
equals
jail,
a
driver,
license
suspension
and
could
also
lead
to
deportation.
H
J
C
Good
morning,
chair
floors
and
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
kendra
burchie,
k-e-n-d-r-a
b-e-r
and
I'm
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
Today,
I'm
testifying
in
support
on
behalf
of
my
office
as
well
as
for
john
piero,
with
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office
and
sir
hawkins,
the
president
of
nacj.
C
A
J
L
R-I-C-K
mccann
m-c-c-a-n-n,
nevada,
association
of
public
safety
officers
and
a
member
of
the
nevada
law
enforcement
coalition
I'll
make
it
brief,
which
is
rare
for
me,
we
are
in
support
of
ab186
with
this
amendment.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
assemblywoman
win
for
the
bill
and
for
working
with
the
stakeholders
on
the
amendment
that
you
have
before
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
again
we
do
support
ab186
thanks.
A
A
J
M
Hi,
this
is
chuck
callaway
director
of
intergovernmental
services
for
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department,
we're
here
we're
in
support
of
the
intent
of
ab-186,
which
you've
heard
from
the
police
unions
on
today.
M
However,
the
way
the
the
bill
is
written,
we
have
concerns,
and
I'm
here
in
opposition,
I
know
an
amendment
was
submitted
this
morning.
That
removes
the
word
suggest
and
I
think
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
However,
I
wanted
to
put
on
the
record
that
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department
does
not
have
quotas.
M
We
do
not
receive
any
direct
revenue
from
citations.
Obviously
we
are
funded
through
the
city
and
the
county,
and
potentially
revenue
that
comes
to
them
could
be
used
to
fund
us,
but
our
agency
does
not
see
receive
direct
revenue
from
traffic
citations.
We
are
not
policing
for
profit,
as
was
stated
in
some
of
the
testimony.
M
We
do
have
performance
measures
and
we
do
expect
officers
to
be
proactive.
Officers
engage
in
numerous
activities
throughout
the
day
community
policing,
responding
to
calls
for
service,
assisting
with
neighborhood
disputes
and
and
standby
for
move
outs
and
everything
you
can
imagine.
But
let's
not
forget
that
law
enforcement
is
a
component
of
law
enforcement
is
enforcing
the
law
and
you
know
to
give
a
couple
of
quick
scenarios.
M
One
of
the
top
complaints
we
get
from
citizens
in
neighborhoods
is
speeders
and
traffic
issues.
Constituents
call
in
daily
about
this
school
zone
issues
where
people
are
driving
fast,
endangering
children
in
school
zones,
people
getting
their
cars
broken
into
in
neighborhoods,
and
we
expect
our
officers
to
be
proactive
and
to
go
out
and
to
address
those
situations.
M
M
And
although
we
don't
have
a
a
quota
and
we're
not
telling
them
write
an
x
number
of
tickets,
a
supervisor
needs
to
be
able
to
to
have
that
conversation
with
employees
that
they
need
to
get
out
and
address
crime
that
is
occurring
and
often
that
requires
citations
to
be
written,
and
it
requires
arrests
to
be
made.
Officers
have
discretion
where
they
don't
have
to
make
an
arrest
or
write
a
citation
if
one
is
not
warranted.
We
had
18
fatalities
so
far
on
our
roadways.
M
M
In
section
two,
during
the
special
session
senate
bill,
two
made
an
effort
to
repeal
some
some
of
the
language
that
that
had
passed
in,
I
believe
it
was
senate
bill
242
on
the
police
officers
bill
of
rights
that
again
makes
it
difficult
for
supervisors
to
hold
bad
apple
officers
accountable,
and
that
section
too,
is
still
a
little
unclear
to
me
how
that
might
impact
an
investigation
against
an
officer
for
some
type
of
wrongdoing.
M
If
that
officer
were
then
to
turn
around
and
claim
that
his
supervisors
were
requiring
him
to
write
tickets
and
an
arbitrator
believed
that
that
would
warrant
throwing
out
evidence,
in
a
case,
an
internal
investigation
against
that
officer.
So
I
have
concerns.
I
appreciate
assemblywoman
wynn
working
with
us
and
holding
a
recent
conversation
on
this,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
everyone
moving
forward
to
ensure
that
we
cannot
have
quotas
but
that
we
can
hold
our
employees
accountable.
Thank
you.
A
J
L
E-R-I-C-S-P-R-A-T-L-E-Y
and
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association,
I'll
start
off
by
saying
none
of
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
membership
supports
having
quotas.
We
absolutely
support
the
intent
of
the
bill
and
have
worked
with
the
bill's
sponsor
and
appreciate
that
opportunity
to
arrive
at
language
which
ratchets
down
on
the
types
of
improper,
supervisory
and
officer
behaviors,
we've
heard
here
today.
It
gives
law
enforcement
agency
leadership
the
ability
to
properly
manage
these
supervisors
and
officers
we've
not
yet
arrived
at
that
language.
L
You
might
have
supervisors
that
encourage
their
team
in
a
competition
for
more
citations
or
arrests
or
officers
who,
amongst
themselves,
engage
in
a
competition
at
the
expense
of
the
public.
There
are
supervisors,
leading
teams
in
this
kind
of
behavior
or
promoting
improper
numerical
requirements
of
any
kind
that
behavior
needs
to
be
stopped.
Law
enforcement
leadership
needs
to
have
the
ability
to
address
heavy-handed
officers
or
supervisors.
A
I
believe
we
lost
you
broadcast.
Can
you
confirm
that
it's
everybody
who
lost
them?
I
know
at
times
my
computer
is
acting
up,
I'm
getting
again,
I'm
getting
folk,
not
in
their
head.
I
think
we
all
lost
them
and
we
could
take
a
quick
one
minute
recess
just
so
we
can
get
them
back.
One
minute
reasons.
J
A
L
Okay,
I
was
just
saying
that
supervisors,
leading
teams
and
numerical
requirements
that
kind
of
behavior
needs
to
be
stopped,
and
law
enforcement
leadership
needs
to
have
the
ability
to
address
heavy-handed
officers
or
supervisors
who
are
writing
excessive
citations
for
minimal
violations
or
taking
every
person
they
can
to
jail.
L
Our
law
enforcement
leadership
are
interested
in
public
service
and
public
safety,
not
in
arrest
or
citation
numbers
are
generating
revenue,
also
known
as
policing
for
profit.
We're
not
interested
in
that
being
able
to
correct
the
poor
behavior
of
an
office
or
a
supervisor
requires
having
the
ability
to
review
all
aspects
of
their
job
performance
so
that
it
is
in
line
with
the
public
safety
mission
of
the
agency
executive
and
the
people
they
serve.
This
bill
does
not
allow
leadership
to
consider
citation
or
arrest
numbers,
even
if
they
are
excessive
to
address
them.
L
We've
heard
the
term
evidence-based
several
times
here
today,
and
our
law
enforcement
agency
leaders
across
nevada
are
fully
engaged
in
evidence-based
practices.
This
bill
in
section
1.2,
does
not
allow
all
of
the
evidence
of
improper
behavior
to
be
addressed,
considered
and
or
used
in
disciplinary
actions
to
correct
aggressive
behaviors,
which
we've
described
previously.
So
for
that
reason
we
must
be
opposed.
F
Thank
you,
chair
rose
shall
win
for
the
record.
I
I
will
just
say
that
I
will
continue
to
reach
out
to
the
opposition
in
this.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
have
this
full
conversation
when
I
was
initially
approached
with
this
topic
in
the
fall
of
2020,
I
reached
out
to
many
of
these
agencies,
and
I-
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
support,
although
I
will
say
that
some
of
this
opposition
also
shows
just
how
ingrained
these
quota
policies
are
in
our
agencies.
F
We
heard
a
lot
about
evidence-based
policing
and
I
will
thank
our
law
enforcement
partners
that
were
here
testifying
in
support
and
an
opposition
for
teaching
me
a
lot
about
what
is
effective
and
what
evidence-based
policing
is
about.
It
is
about
preventing
crime.
Deterrence
is
much
more
preferable
than
enforcement,
and
I
think,
shifting
that
policy
within
our
like
state
and
within
our
different
agencies
from
the
top
down-
and
I
think
it
starts
here
at
the
legislature.
F
I
always
think
of
it.
This
way.
One
of
the
good
examples
that
I
was
given
to
kind
of
explain
some
of
this
evidence-based
policing
and
deterrence
is
new
year's
eve
on
the
las
vegas
strip
is
a
perfect
example
of
this
policy,
and
it's
how
we
can
learn
that
numbers
and
using
numbers
and
arrests
of
numbers,
don't
evaluate
effectiveness
in
keeping
us
safe.
Every
new
year's
eve.
We
have
thousands
of
cops
like
a
thousand
cops
they're
all
on
duty.
Everyone,
that's
known
a
cop.
F
That's
had
a
cop,
that's
been
a
cop
knows
that
they
are
working
on
new
year's
eve
and
they
are
working
on
the
strip,
and
it
is
one
of
the
days
where
they
have
the
very
like
they
have
very
few
arrests.
And
it's
because
it's
effective,
it's
that
high
visibility
patrol
it's
being
in
the
community,
and
I
think
we
can
learn
a
lot
from
that
example.
Moving
forward.
This
policy
is
just
a
step
in
that
right
direction
and
in
closing
I
would
like
to
thank
everyone
for
the
opportunity
to
present
in
government
affairs
again.
F
It
is
always
my
pleasure
and
for
the
people
that
came
to
testify.
I
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
to
move
assembly
bill
186,
and
I
would
urge
your
support
for
this
important
piece
of
legislation.
A
Thank
you,
assembly,
woman
and
again,
it's
always
a
pleasure
to
host
a
hearing
with
you
presenting
and
thank
you
to
your
co-presenters
for
walking
us
through
real
life
examples
and
how
this
impacts
the
day-to-day
operation,
life
of
a
of
a
member
of
law
enforcement
and
to
law
enforcement.
All
of
you,
as
always,
we're
thankful
to
all
the
work
you
do
day
in
day
out,
and
we
hope
that
this
bill
could
potentially
help
with
your
interactions
with
the
public
and
building
community
trust.
A
So
with
that,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
186
and
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
invite
those
of
you
wishing
to
speak
in
public
comment
to
please
call
in
as
you
are
calling
in.
I
want
to
remind
you
remind
you
to
please
refrain
from
trying
to
engage
in
a
debate
through
a
bill.
We've
already
heard.
This
is
not
a
time
to
do
that.
A
The
purpose
of
public
comment
is
for
you
to
speak
about
any
type
of
item
that
falls
in
the
general
purview
of
our
committee,
and
I
ask
that
you
please
try
to
limit
your
remarks
to
two
minutes
for
the
sake
of
efficiency
and
allowing
others
to
speak
with
that
we'll
go
to
public
comment
broadcast.
Please.
J
J
H
A-N-N-E-M-A-R-I-E-G-R-A-N-T
my
brother,
thomas
purdy,
was
38
years
old
when
he
was
hog-tied
by
reno
police
on
october,
4th
2015
and
then
associated
to
death
for
over
40
minutes
later,
while
still
hogtied
by
washoe
county
sheriff's
office.
My
brother
was
the
second
of
three
men
to
be
associated
by
deputies.
H
Nicole
lamar,
nicole,
jerome
smith
was
31
years
old
when
he
was
asphyxiated
at
warsaw,
county
sheriff's
office
829-15,
the
inmate
death
rate
was
five
times
the
national
average
when
nico
died,
a
horrible
torturous
death
at
the
hands
of
sergeant
corey,
salforino,
brandon
wood
and
paul
hubbell,
who
also
asphyxiated
my
brother,
thomas
purdy,
to
death.
Nico
was
taken
into
custody
bondsmen.
Clearly
in
the
midst
of
a
mental
health
crisis.
H
H
I
just
like
to
mention
that
my
family
wasn't
notified
that
my
brother
was
laying
up
at
renowned
hospital
on
life
support
brain
dead
by
washoe
county
sheriff's
office.
My
brother
was
laying
at
renown
all
by
himself
brain
dead
for
two
days
before
the
hospital
was
able
to
reach
out
and
find
us
the
jail
just
dumped
them
there
and
said
we
don't
want
them.
H
A
Thank
you,
ma'am,
and
I
know
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
you
in
the
past.
It
may
be
of
interest
to
you
to
maybe
potentially
have
of
information
that
you
have
regarding
this
matter
to
our
committee
manager.
We
can
share
with
the
members.
I
know
we
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
you,
but
it
may
be
of
interest
to
the
committee
to
actually
have
an
opportunity
to
get
documents
from
you,
and
maybe
they
could
follow
up
with
you
individually,
but
that's
that's
up
to
you,
I'm
just
suggesting
it.
A
Time,
thank
you
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
close
out
public
comment.
Thank
you.
Those
of
you
are
better
said
you
ma'am
for
calling
in
and
joining
us
this
morning.
Members.
I
want
to
remind
you
tomorrow
we're
going
to
be
hearing
assembly
bill,
111,
speaker
fryerson
will
be
joining
us
and
hopefully
we
can
engage
in
some
meaningful
dialogue.
Please
give
yourself
an
opportunity
to
review
that
bill
ahead
of
time
so
that
we
can
prepare
and
have
some
good
conversations
with
that
members.
I
appreciate
everybody's
attentiveness
and
conversation.