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A
Here
everybody
is
present,
with
the
exception
of
assemblyman
o'neill.
He
is
presenting
a
couple
of
bills
and
government
affairs
this
morning,
so
please
mark
him
absent
excused
until
he
arrives
and
I'll
try
to
note
that,
for
the
record,
that
means
we
do
have
a
quorum
this
morning,
good
morning
to
members
to
the
guests
who
are
joining
us
on
the
zoom
and
to
those
who
may
be
watching
over
the
internet,
either
on
the
legislature's
website
or
on
the
youtube
channel.
A
Welcome
to
day
53
of
the
81st
session
of
the
nevada
legislature,
which
means
we're
just
one
week
away
from
the
halfway
point
before
we
get
started
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
go
over
just
a
few
quick
housekeeping
matters
if
you're
on
the
zoom
with
us.
Could
you
please
mute
unless
you
are
speaking
and
if
you
are
presenting
a
bill
today,
please
remember
to
state
your
name
each
time
you
speak,
especially
when
you
answer
a
question
that
will
help
our
committee
secretary
prepare
accurate
minutes.
We
do
expect
courtesy
and
respect
and
our
interactions
with
one
another.
A
We
don't
always
agree
on
policy,
that's
perfectly
acceptable,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
we're
being
respectful
of
each
other
of
the
legislative
institution
and
of
our
hard-working
staff
and
then
finally,
many
members
will
be
using
multiple
devices
to
access
this
virtual
meeting,
including
laptops,
desktops
extra
monitors,
ipads
iphones.
So
please
don't
see
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect.
A
If
members
appear
to
be
looking
away,
they're
most
likely
accessing
exhibits
or
notes
with
that
behind
us
members,
you
can
see
we
have
four
bills
on
the
agenda,
but
before
we
get
to
those,
our
legal
staff
has
been
working
very
hard
and
I
have
in
front
of
me
a
stack
of
committee
bdr
introductions
and
I
have
seven
of
them.
A
So
that
tells
me
that
legal
was
likely
working
through
the
night
to
get
these
to
us,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone,
who's
pulling
long
hours
to
make
sure
we
get
the
bills
introduced.
So
I
will
read
these
off
and
then
I'll
take
one
motion
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
and
again
this
is
simply
a
bdr
introduction,
so
it
doesn't
commit
you
to
supporting
the
concept.
A
A
A
F
G
E
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
so
the
motion
does
carry
everyone
present
voted
in
favor
of
it.
Thank
you
committee.
Those
will
get
introduced
on
the
floor
today
and
we'll
get
some
additional
bills.
Now
I
will
tell
you
we
are
still
waiting
on
a
few
bdrs.
This
is
a
possibility
that
we'll
get
some
more
during
today's
meeting
or,
if
not
likely
later
today
or
tomorrow.
A
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
open
the
hearing
on
three
bills
and
I'm
going
to
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
234
assembly,
bill,
285
and
assembly
bill
293,
all
three
of
those
bills
revise
provisions
related
to
charitable
lotteries.
We
have
our
own
assemblyman
wheeler
here
today
to
present,
as
well
as
assemblyman,
levitt
and
assemblyman.
Ellison
is
the
sponsor
of
one
of
those
measures,
but
he
is
presenting
in
another
committee.
So
I
think
assemblyman
wheeler
is
going
to
do
his
part
today.
So
we're
going
to
give
them
a
chance
to
do
their
presentation.
A
E
Hey.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
really
appreciate
it.
As
you
said,
assemblyman
ellison
is
in
government
affairs.
I
believe
presenting
a
bill
so
I'll
be
giving
his
remarks
as
well
again.
For
the
record,
my
name
is
jim
wheeler.
I
represented
assembly
district
39
and
today,
I'd
like
to
present
present
for
your
consideration
assembly
bill
293,
which
kind
of
presents
the
other
bills
as
well.
You
can
tell
how
important
these
bills
were,
as
we
just
tripled
up
on.
E
So
thank
you
for
your
charity
today
and
in
listening
to
us,
and
I
say
charity
because
I
think
the
following
example,
or
actually
let
me
back
up
30
years
ago,
the
nevada
legislature
enacted
laws
which
require
the
gaming
control
board
to
regulate
charitable
lotteries
and
gaming
during.
I
E
Well,
this
may
not
pose
a
major
challenge
in
the
community
donation
efforts
for
professional
sports
organizations
or
large
non-profits
that
have
scheduled
fundraising
events
each
year
it
does
become
problematic
for
the
smaller
entities
like
4-h
club,
little
league
baseball
team,
high
school
football
veterans
or
disability
groups
that
need
to
raise
money
on
the
fly
for
unanticipated
needs.
It's
also
become
cumbersome
and
time
insensitive
for
smaller
organizations
to
register
every
time
they
choose
to
schedule
a
little
fundraising
event
or
a
raffle,
or
something
like
that,
and
just
so
everybody
knows.
E
I've
got
one
group
in
gardnerville
that
are
octogenarian
wine
tasters
and
they
like
to
do
their
a
little
raffle
once
a
year,
and
they
can't
do
it
anymore.
And
if
we
don't
pass
these,
I'm
gonna
turn
them
loose
on
you
because
they
have
been
all
over
me
so
to
try
to
get
this
changed.
E
E
I
should
say
are
sold
only
to
members
and
their
guests
for
a
special
event
sponsored
by
the
organization
and
total
value
of
all
the
prizes
offered
during
the
calendar
years
do
not
exceed
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
So
this
concludes
my
portion
of
the
presentation
for
bill
293,
and
I
strongly
encourage
your
support
for
the
bill.
I'd
like
to
give
you
and
I'd
like
to
read
for
you
some
comments
from
assemblyman
ellison
on
his
bill
assembly
bill
234.
If
that's
okay,
mr
chair.
E
And
I'll
read
these
for
you,
I
said
I
think
the
following
example
is
one
of
the
best
arguments
for
supporting
assembly
bill
234,
along
with
the
other
two
bills.
Friends
for
life
is
a
small
community
group
in
elko
nevada
that
assists
friends
and
neighbors,
who
experience
hardships
created
by
serious
mental
medical
conditions.
E
They
have
been
hard
at
work
for
the
last
25
years,
raising
funds
for
individuals
in
elko
county
and
for
the
surrounding
community.
One
of
their
original
fundraisers
was
in
1998
to
help
a
resident
paralyzed
in
a
rodeo
accident,
help
him
gather
enough
money
to
purchase
an
adaptive
van
and
a
computer
with
assisted
technology.
E
It
took
the
group
11
years,
but
they
eventually
raised
34
000
dollars
for
the
van
last
year.
Friends
for
life
was
working
to
raise
funds
again
for
additional
adaptive
equipment,
but
they
ran
into
difficulties
because
of
assembly
bill
117
from
the
last
session
and
they
weren't
able
to
raise
any
funds.
E
A
Chair,
thank
you,
assemblyman
wheeler
and
appreciate
you
pinch
hitting
for
assemblyman
ellison
this
morning.
We
also
have
assemblyman
levitt
with
us.
I
want
to
hand
it
over
to
him
to
make
some
remarks
and
then
we'll
have
a
chance
for
questions.
Welcome
to
assembly,
judiciary,
committee,
assemblyman
levitt
and
please
proceed.
J
Thank
you,
chair
yeager
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
I'm
assembling
glenn
levitt,
some
district
23.,
as
we
heard
from
simon
wheeler
amendments
made
to
nrs
462
inadvertently,
caused
some
headaches
for
some
smaller
charitable
organizations
and
in
this
bills
just
trying
to
resolve
some
of
those
hurdles
that
organizations
have
this
bill
was
brought
to
me
by
a
small
group
that
was
was
unable
to
do
their
raffle
at
their
luncheon
and
and
they
they
they.
J
I
read,
I
read
nrs
462
and
I
said
well,
you
know
I
I
don't
know
if
you
can
do
it
or
not.
It's
not
real
clear,
and
so
I
think
this
these
bills
kind
of
kind
of
make
it
clear
what
they
can
and
can't
do
the
these
these.
These,
ladies,
didn't
want
to
didn't,
want
to
break
the
law
and
didn't
want
to
try
to
interpret
the
law
in
in
chance
that
they
may
be
breaking
it
so
and
in
another
thing
I
asked
them
was,
is
how
much
do
you?
J
How
much
do
you
raise
per
year?
What
what's
your?
What's
your
end
goal
and
they
they
told
me
if
they
could
raise
twelve
hundred
dollars
in
a
in
a
calendar
year.
They
were
super
happy
and-
and
I
didn't
want
it-
I
didn't
want
them
to
to
not
have
that
ability,
as
their
membership
is
small
and
and
so
through
their
dues
and
through
their
their
small
luncheons.
J
They
weren't
able
to
raise
enough
money
to
to
both
operate
and
do
do
some
of
the
things
that
they
want
to
do
other
than
that,
simon
willer
and
assemblyman
ellison
through
their
remarks,
we're
pretty
clear
on
what
the
bill
does
and
and
what
it,
what
it
will,
what
it
will
accomplish.
So
I'll
I'll
end.
My
presentation
there
is
not
the
labor.
The
point.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
G
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
had
a
question
about
section:
1,
sub,
1
c,
so
it
says
the
tickets
or
chance
for
the
chair
of
the
lottery
I'll
serve
only
to
members
of
the
organization
and
guests
to
those
members
while
attending
a
special
event.
So
I'm
just
worried
that
this
language
might
be
too
limiting.
For
say
the
example
that
you
shared
for
assemblyman
ellison
and
his
friends
for
life.
I
don't
think
that
they
had
a
special
event.
G
They
were
trying
to
raise
money,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
these
smaller
charities
might
have
something
going
on
for
you
know
a
period
of
time
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
language
is
just
a
little
too
specific
for
a
space,
because
this
I'm
reading
this
like
when
they
do.
You
know
a
pot
of
gold
type
thing
at
an
event,
but
I'm
just
wondering
how?
G
If
this
won't
allow
charities
to
do
you
know
still
a
small
amount
under
the
15
000
under
the
2500,
as
as
you
mentioned,
but
something
that
might
go
on
not
in
perpetuity,
but
maybe
for
a
couple
weeks
or
something
like
that.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
assemblywoman.
I
think
you're
absolutely
correct,
and
I
did
see
that
in
the
bills
when
they
first
came
out,
I
did
not
want
to
send
my
bill
back
or
rewrite
because
we
may
be
here
in
july.
If
that
happens,
and
so
I
did
see
that-
and
I
was
kind
of
hoping
someone
would
bring
it
up.
E
So
I
do
think
we
need
to
clear
that
language
up
and
I'd
like
to
work
with
the
vice
chair
to
clear
that
language
up
because
she
loves
working
with
me
so
much.
G
And
while
you're
at
it,
so
I
would
also
clean
up
the
language
about
that.
It
has
to
be
someone
attending
that
event
or
to
a
guest.
So
because
you
know
if
you
want
to
sell
a
raffle
ticket
to
grandma
grandma's,
not
coming
yeah,
so
just
since
you're
already
willing
to
look
at
that
section,
I
I
do
think
that
needs
a
little
cleanup.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
chair
yeager,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
of
ab234,
285
and
293..
I'm
first
of
all,
I'm
wondering
like
do.
We
have
to
pick
which
one,
like
you
know,
I'm
leaning
towards
ab285,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
I
I
get
what
your
intent
is,
but
is
this
something
that
you've
had
either
the
three
of
you
it
can
go
to?
Anyone
have
spoken
with
the
gaming
control
board
about
their
thoughts
on
the
proposed
change
to
the
law.
E
I
can
tell
you
for
myself
that
I
did
about
this
has
been
almost
two
years
ago
when
this
first
hit
and
one
of
the
pubs
in
my
neighborhood
said
hey
all
of
a
sudden.
We
can't
do
this,
so
I
called
the
gaming
control
board
and
they
said
yeah
you're
right.
That
was
an
unintended
consequence
of
ab-117
from
the
last
session,
and
so
we
decided
at
that
time.
Well,
we'll
just
have
to
go
in
and
fix
it
in
the
next
session.
E
J
Yeah
I
I
have
not
talked
to
the
gaming
control
board.
I
thought
it.
I
I
just
my
interpretation
of
it
was.
It
was
just
vague
language
that
that
that
needed
some
interpretation
and
that's
that's
where
we
were
at
and-
and
I
do
agree
with
assembly
when-
let
me
simply
win
285
really
is
the
best
bill
out
of
the
three
identical
bills.
H
K
Follow-Up
question
we
were
talking
about,
like
you
know,
obviously
this
would
be
smaller
organizations
and
I've
had
people
contact
me
from
like
churches,
my
family's
own,
like
church
organization,
other
people
like
how
can
we
do
this?
Are
we
breaking
the
law?
What
are
we
doing
so?
I
I
appreciate
you
guys,
bringing
it
and
having
this
kind
of
conversation,
but
on
the
flip
side
I
know
that
sometimes
with
these
smaller
organizations,
even
with
the
octago
octogenarians
that
are
having
their
wine
club,
there
can
sometimes
be
drama
and
wha.
E
Madam
vice
chair,
I
don't
know
how
they
do
it
in
las
vegas
up
here.
We
just
shoot
it
out.
You
know.
So
you
know
those
are
the
rules.
E
No,
I
am
just
kidding
for
the
record,
but
I
believe
that
would
be
a
civil
suit
at
that
point
and
it
would
obviously
go
to
small
claims
court
because
of
the
amount,
so
that
would
you
know
that
would
be
my
take
on
it
right
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
don't
know
if
assemblyman
levitt
would
have
anything
else
to
add
to.
J
I
that
really
have
anything
to
add
in
that
specific
realm.
I
I
just
know
that
the
the
organizations
that
I
talk
to
are
so
small
and
they're
trying
to
they're
trying
to
just
raise
us
such
a
small
amount
of
money
that
this
is.
This
is
just
trying
to
trying
to
help
small
organizations,
and
they
have
not
yet
and
said
that
there
was
any
disputes
in
the
many
many
years
that
they
were
doing
this
previously.
K
E
It
was
pretty
darn
arbitrary,
but
but
we
did
you
know
I
know
from
mine
when
I
originally
put
it.
In
two
years
ago
I
or
almost
two
years
ago
I
had
talked
to
a
couple
of
different
organizations
in
my
district
and
they
said
they'd
never
go
over.
E
You
know
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
year
or
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
prizes
are
usually
donated
so
they're
under
2500
a
year,
but
a
lot
of
them
are,
for
instance,
they'll,
have
a
what
they
call
a
50
50
at
a
woman's
luncheon
where
you
put
a
dollar
in
and
whoever
gets
their
ticket
drawn,
gets
50
cents
on
the
dollar
back
and
the
other
half
goes
to
the
organization.
J
Sorry,
sorry
cheer,
yeager,
glenn
levitt,
somebody
just
23
for
the
record.
I
I
do
agree
with
that.
That
assessment
it
was
it
was
arbitrary,
but
not
arbitrary.
Is
we
wanted
to
keep
the
dollar
amount
low
as
to
not
as
not
go
beyond
the
scope
of
the
gaming
control
board
in
some
way
shape
or
form,
but
also
allow
these
organizations
to
do
what
they
what
they
need
to
do
for
their
for
their
little
organization
and
their
little
fundraising,
efforts.
G
Thank
you
chair
and
david
licker
for
the
record
assembly
district
20..
G
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
My
one
question
has
to
do
with
a
different
issue
about
setting
the
amounts
at
2500
and
15
000,
and
that
may
be
the
right
amount
for
today,
but
it
may
not
be
the
right
amount
in
two
years
or
four
years
so
I'd
hate
to
have
to
us
to
have
to
come
back
to
tweak
it
every
time
that
we
realize
the
numbers
aren't
quite
right.
E
71
either
for
the
record
assemblyman.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
It's
not
something
that
ever
even
crossed
my
mind.
I
don't
know
about
a
assemblyman
levitt,
but
I'm
sure
that
it
could
be
attached
to
a
cpi.
It
could
be
attached
to
something
and
allow
allow
it
to
change
in
regulation
instead
of
in
law.
J
You
know
I'm
okay
with
I'm
okay
with
that
that
concept
other
than
this.
Would
this
particular
these
particular
bills?
Are
these
particular
bills
and
they
take
it
out
of
the
purview
of
the
gaming
control
board.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
reintegrate
that
in
without
having
to
having
to
register
with
them
every
time
that
they
want
to
do
a
raffle
at
a
luncheon.
A
A
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
additional
questions
at
this
time,
so
assemblyman
wheeler,
assemblyman
leavitt.
Thank
you
for
presenting
we'll
ask
you
to
just
sit
tight
for
a
moment.
While
we
take
some
testimony
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
for
concluding
remarks
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
for
testimony
in
support
of
the
three
bills
that
we
are
hearing.
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
with
us
on
the
zoom
who
is
here
for
these
bills,
but
bps.
Could
we
go
to
the
phone
lines
to
see
if
there's
anybody
there
in
support.
L
I
I
T-O-N-J-A-B-R-O-W-N
I'd
like
to
thank
the
sponsors
for
bringing
this
these
bills
forward.
I
concur
with
what
the
other
callers
have
stated.
There
was
a
lot
of
good
questions
raised.
I
I
know
I
would
just
like
to
mention
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
this
about
me,
my
personal
life
other
than
you
know
the
advocates
for
inmates
in
the
innocent,
but
I
have
set
on
the
board
of
the
last
response
memorial
fund
that
was
set
up
shortly.
After
the
the
death
of
carson
city,
deputy
sheriff
carl
howell.
I
I
have
sat
on
the
fallen
soldiers,
memorial
wall
project
and
I
have
set
on
the
nevada's,
memor
nevada's
children
memorial
fund
that
this
memorial
was
dedicated
to
all
the
children
in
nevada
who
had
been
slain
by
others,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
actually
ever
seen
that
memorial,
but
I
had
that
one
placed
on
the
capitol
ground
and
I
would
ask
that
you
go
and
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
a
beautiful
memorial
established
and,
of
course,
we've
worked
on
the
memorial
for
the
memorial
wall.
I
A
L
I
Good
morning
this
is
janine
hansen,
j,
a
n,
I
n
e
h,
a
n
s,
e
n,
I'm
the
state
chairman
of
the
independent
american
party,
and
we
are
in
support
of
these
charitable
lottery
bills.
I'm
especially
happy
to
support
my
own
assemblyman
john
ellison's
bill,
as
well
as
the
other
identical
bills.
The
state
independent
american
party
has,
in
past
years
sponsored
raffles
to
raise
money.
These
were
instituted
by
our
former
state
chairman
john
wagner.
The
raffles
helped
us
to
pay
for
our
state
conventions
and
state
central
committee
meetings.
I
These
raffles
were
significant
to
us,
a
minor
party
to
provide
money
to
pay
for
speakers
at
our
meetings
and
other
meeting
expenses.
We
appreciated
today
the
concerns
expressed
by
assemblywoman
bill,
bae,
bilbray
axelrod,
about
the
limiting
of
the
raffles
only
during
special
events
and
only
to
members
or
guests
attending
the
event.
We
have
often
sold
our
tickets
in
advance
of
the
actual
meeting
to
friends
and
supporters.
I
So
we
appreciate
the
assemblywoman's
concerns
and
hope
that
the
bill
can
be
amended
accordingly.
Our
prizes
have
never
exceeded
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
and
we
have
never
raised
fifteen
thousand
dollars
in
a
single
year
with
raffles,
so
our
efforts
are
limited.
We
appreciate
the
consideration
of
these
bills
and
hope
that
you'll
pass
them,
especially
with
the
concerns
of
the
assemblywoman
bilbray
axelrod.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration.
L
C
L-Y-N-N-C-H-A-P-M-A-N
I'm
10
times
past
president
of
the
american
legion
auxiliary,
duby,
read
unit
30
in
sparks
nevada.
We
support
all
three
of
these
bills.
We
are
an
organization
that
has
been
around
for
over
a
hundred
years.
Our
main
concern
is
veterans
and
their
families.
We
raise
money
for
all
the
programs
we
have
in
place
to
help
our
veterans
and
their
families,
as
well
as
to
help
build
character
in
the
next
generation.
C
C
We
sponsor
girls
for
girl
state
and
help
pay
for
the
girl
state
program,
scott
and
also
scholarships
for
veterans
and
their
families.
We
also
supported
the
veterans
memorial
at
the
sparks
marina
under
child
child
welfare.
We
raised
250
dollars
towards
a
new
flagpole
for
the
sparks
high
school.
We
also
help
in
emergencies
around
america
when
the
when
any
disaster
strikes-
and
we
just
want
to
have
raffles
to
be
able
to
raise
what
little
money
we
can
money
for
those
and
other
projects
that
we
do
to
help
nevada
families
in
our
community.
C
A
L
To
offer
testimony
and
support
press
star
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
chair.
There
are
no
more
callers
wishing
to
offer
testimony
and
support
at
this
time.
A
Thank
you
bps
before
I
close
the
court
of
testimony
I'll
note
for
members
of
the
committee
members
of
the
public.
There
are
some
additional
letters
of
support
that
have
been
uploaded
to
nellis
under
the
exhibit
tab.
We
have
a
letter
of
support
from
the
united
veterans
legislative
council,
and
that
is
in
three
different
letters:
referencing
each
of
the
three
bills,
and
then
we
also
have
a
letter
in
support
from
the
reno
problem.
Gaming
center
denise
quirk.
A
Well,
I
think
it's
probably
a
neutral
letter.
It
looks
like
there's
a
proposal
for
some
sort
of
amendment,
so
I
don't
want
to
characterize
that
as
support,
that's
how
it's
listed
on
nellis,
but
we
may
make
a
correction
to
that.
It
seems
to
be
more
of
a
request
not
relating
to
the
actual
text
of
the
bill,
so
I'll
just
reference
that
from
members.
If
you
would
like
to
read
that
so
at
this
time,
I'll
close
testimony
in
support,
I
will
now
open
it
up
for
testimony
in
opposition.
A
A
L
To
provide
neutral
testimony
on
these
bills,
please
press
star
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
and
we
will
begin
with
our
first
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
zero:
eight
zero
zero.
That's
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
eight
zero
zero.
Please
press
star
six
to
unmute
yourself,
then
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
they
begin
now.
F
F
F
Excuse
me
during
this
symposia.
These
veterans
stated
that
they
wanted
lawmakers
to
consider
changing
nrs,
462
and
gcb
regulation
4a,
believing
these
regulations
severely
curtail
fundraising
activities
for
many
local
groups
who
raise
money
to
support
local
veteran
activities,
and
that's
all
I
have
chairman
yeager
and
members
of
this
committee.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
provide
this
testimony.
A
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
just
love
it
when
there's
no
opposition
to
a
bill,
so
in
the
remarks
that
were
prepared
for
me
by
constituent
services,
the
first
line
was:
this
is
a
pretty
simple
bill.
As
you
can
see,
I
did
not
go
there
and
was
not
going
to
so.
It
turned
out
that
it
was
so
I
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
E
If
anyone
has
any
questions
on
any
of
the
bills,
please
just
give
me
a
call
or
shoot
me.
An
email
be
happy
to
take
any
suggestions,
and
I
would
like
to
make
a
conceptual
amendment
about
the
other
assemblies
simon's
comments,
and
so
I
think
we
can
just
go
ahead
and
work
sas
now
right
now.
What
do
you
think.
A
J
Just
thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill.
We
think
it's
important
for
the
for
little
organizations
to
to
do
their
operations
and
and
appreciate
the
the
consideration
and-
and
I
agree
with
the
the
amendment
put
forth
by
or
the
amendment
suggestion
put
forth
by
assemblywoman
alberta
axelrod.
So
I
appreciate
it.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Assemblyman
wheeler,
assemblyman
levitt
appreciate
your
time
here
this
morning
and
hope
you,
assemblyman
levitt,
have
a
great
rest
of
the
day
and,
of
course,
the
sony
manuela
will
be
sticking
with
us
through
the
next
bill
hearing.
So
with
that
behind
us,
I'm
going
to
close
the
bill
hearing
on
assembly,
bill,
234
assembly,
bill,
285
and
assembly
bill
293,
and
that's
going
to
take
us
to
the
first
bill
that
is
listed
on
our
agenda.
A
I
will
let
members
of
the
committee
members
of
the
public
know
that
there
is
a
proposed
amendment
from
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
that
can
be
found
on
nellis
under
the
exhibit
tab
and
as
you
can
see,
we
looks
like
we
have
a
team
of
folks
from
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
joining
us
via
zoom,
so
I'm
not
sure
who's
going
to
present,
but
would
just
ask
that
before
you
speak,
you
make
sure
you
state
your
name
for
the
record,
we'll
give
you
a
chance
to
present.
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions.
M
Thank
you
good
morning,
chairman
jaeger
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
marissa
rodriguez.
I'm
a
senior
deputy
city
attorney
with
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
and
here
with
me,
are
fellow
colleagues
from
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
government
affairs
director
garrett
luke.
That
will
be
answering
questions
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
M
We
also
have
another
colleague
appearing
from
his
home
office,
andy
moore-
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
taking
the
time
this
morning
to
hear
about
our
presentation
on
assembly
bill
10.
M
Currently
under
the
law,
there
are
only
two
options,
and
that
is
on
the
one
end
of
the
spectrum.
You
have
a
b
felony
when
someone
is
convicted
of
reckless
driving,
which
carries
a
one
to
six
years
penalty
in
prison.
M
Now,
before
I
go
into
the
substance
of
the
presentation,
we
have
prepared
a
powerpoint
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
given
presenter.
G
G
M
Before
I
go
into
the
substance
of
the
bill,
I
would
like
to
tell
you
about
a
tragic
incident.
That
is
the
impetus
for
this
bill
and
it's
a
tragedy
that
happened
to
two
beautiful
children
in
our
city
of
north
las
vegas,
alexander
bush,
who
was
12
years
old
at
the
time
in
charlotte
bush,
who
was
11
9
years
old
on
the
day
of
the
incident.
M
So
last
year
on
february,
14th,
as
both
siblings
were
walking
home
after
school,
they
were
struck
by
a
truck
driven
by
mark
klein.
Now,
here
are
the
facts
of
that
particular
case.
The
two
children
were
walking
on
a
marked
crosswalk
shortly
after
school.
I
think
the
incident
happened
around
2
45,
but
it
was
before
three
and
it
was
really
close
to
the
school.
M
Mr
klein
was
familiar
with
the
road
he
lived
in
that
neighborhood.
In
fact,
he
admitted
that
the
reason
he
took
that
road
was
to
avoid
the
school
zone.
Although
this
was
still
close
to
the
school,
he
was
familiar
with
the
road.
He
knew
that
he
was
driving
a
big
truck
with
a
massive
grill.
M
Unfortunately,
alexander
passed
away
a
couple
of
days
after
the
incident
and
charlotte
suffered
severe
in
very
serious
disabilities,
that,
to
this
day,
require
around-the-clock
medical
care,
in
fact
his
the
parents
of
these
children
how
to
move
out
of
state
to
provide
the
medical
care
that
she
needs.
M
Unfortunately,
the
law
as
it's
written
right
now,
it
would
only
allow
them
to
prosecute
this
as
a
category
b
felony,
but
the
facts
didn't
fall
into
that
category
and
they
sent
it
back
to
our
to
our
criminal
division
at
the
city,
where
we
are
limited
by
law
to
only
charge
this
as
a
misdemeanor,
and
in
fact
that
is
what
happened
here
on
the
next
slide.
M
I
have
the
various
charges
against
mr
klein
and
ultimately
he
was
sentenced
to
a
misdemeanor,
and
mr
and
mrs
bush
do
not
think
this
is
justice
for
for
what
happened
to
their
family,
and
that
is
the
only
thing
that
we
could
do,
even
though
this
was
not
just
a
regular
person
who
briefly
looked
away.
The
the
facts
of
this
case
in
their
mind
in
in
the
mind
of
the
city
merited
something
higher
than
a
misdemeanor.
M
Now
the
actual
language
of
the
bill-
this
is
the
amended
version
that
chairman
yeager
mentioned
with
secular
men,
nrs
484b
0.657.
M
So,
basically,
when
someone
is
convicted
of
killing
someone
because
of
their
negligent
driving,
the
prosecutors
would
have
the
option
of
one
prosecuting
the
incident
as
a
misdemeanor
or
where
the
facts
are
so
egregious
like
in
this
case
it
could
also
be
prosecuted
as
a
gross
misdemeanor,
so
it
would
provide
options
and
that
that's
that's
it.
That's
the
amendment
to
the
nrs
that
ap
10
would
bring.
M
I
would
like
to
I
also
listed
for
the
committee's
benefit,
a
handful
of
other
states
that
currently
have
laws
that
are
similar
to
what
ap
10
proposes
there.
So
I
we
did
this
to
show
you
that
we
are
not
trailblazers
here.
We
are
not
the
first
ones
to
do
this.
This
is
something
that
other
states
are
doing.
M
In
fact,
there
are
other
jurisdictions
that
have
harsher
penalties,
but
we
didn't
list
those
because
it
didn't
apply
to
ab10
here
now,
aside
from
bringing
justice
to
the
family
to
the
bush,
family
and
other
families
who
will
find
themselves
in
that
situation,
we,
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
cares
about
this
issue,
because,
unfortunately,
the
number
of
pedestrians
who
are
hit
by
cars
and
die
has
been
increasing
according
to
a
report
that
we
attached
in
with
the
powerpoint
that
we
provided
nationwide,
the
number
of
people
who
are
hit
while
walking,
has
increased
by
45
percent
over
the
last
decade
and
that
increase
is
not
distributed
evenly
across
the
board.
M
Unfortunately,
minorities
end
up
carrying
you
know
being
the
victims
of
these
of
this
incident.
In
fact,
according
to
the
same
report,
black
americans
are
struck
and
killed
by
drivers
at
a
much
much
higher
rate
than
white
non-hispanic
americans.
M
The
same
thing
happens
when
you
look
when
you
look
at
low
income.
Neighborhoods
people
in
lower
income
neighborhoods
are
hit
by
a
car
twice,
as
often
as
those
people
who
live
in
a
middle-income
neighborhood
in
three
times
more
than
people
who
live
in
a
higher
income.
Neighborhood
and
of
course
this
happens
because
people
in
lower
incomes
tend
to
at
higher
rates
not
own
a
car.
They
are,
they
need
to
walk,
they
need
to
take
public
transportation,
and
this
exposes
them
to
destructive
drivers
and
in
fact,
nationwide.
M
We
rank
11th
as
the
deadliest
state
for
pedestrians,
which
is
not
a
good
number,
the
so
so.
M
That
is
why
it
is
important
for
the
city
that
we
address
this,
so
that
when
we
unfortunately
have
to
deal
with
this
issue,
there
is
justice
that
can
be
brought
for
them
for
the
family,
the
victims
of
the
of
the
family.
M
A
Before
we
do,
that,
could
I
just
ask:
could
you
stop
sharing
your
screen,
so
we
can
hopefully
see
a
larger
picture
of
who's
reading.
A
Okay,
fantastic!
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Miss
rodriguez
and
I'll
hand
it
over
for
the
reading
of
that
statement
as
well
to
whoever
is
going
to
do
that.
H
H
Our
kids
were
taken
from
us
on
valentine's
day.
I
saw
them
laying
in
the
street
when
you
see
it,
you
know
you
just
know.
I
remember
seeing
the
ambulances
and
paramedics
working
on
alex
in
the
middle
of
the
asphalt.
When
I
arrived
on
the
scene,
his
eyes
were
open.
His
mouth
hanging
open
blood
on
his
face
paramedics
doing
chest
compressions,
while
he
laid
there
limp
and
lifeless
on
the
ground.
H
H
Since
they
were
able
to
resuscitate
alex
on
the
scene.
He
was
technically
alive
when
he
got
to
the
hospital
given
their
protocols.
They
had
to
give
him
48
hours
before
they
could
declare
him
legally
dead.
They
finally
declared
him
legally
dead
on
february
16th,
but
I
know
that
he
was
gone
on
the
14th.
H
H
He
loved
that
he
was
one
of
only
a
couple:
male
flute
players
in
his
school
band,
and
he
was
so
proud
that
he
was
the
top
fundraiser
in
his
class
for
his
school
band
and
that
his
efforts
got
his
class
that
pizza
party
he
loved
to
play.
Video
games,
build
legos,
draw
pokemon
and
text
his
friends.
He
loved
helping
people.
H
H
H
H
She's,
not
walking
she's,
not
talking
she
can't
move.
We
haven't
managed
to
establish
any
kind
of
repetitive,
reliable
communication
with
her.
She
still
gets
all
of
her
medication
formula
and
water
through
a
tube
inserted
through
her
stomach,
to
quote
one
of
her
favorite
songs.
It's
likely
that
she's
never
gonna
dance
again.
H
Thank
you
we'd
now
like
to
close
our
presentation
and
open
up
for
questions.
M
Marissa
rodriguez
for
the
record,
I
know
that
the
family
was
trying
to
connect.
Do
we
know
if
they
were
able
to.
A
So
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
you
know
certainly
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
the
bush
family
for
sending
that
statement
in
members
of
the
committee.
That
statement
is
up
on
nellis.
If
you
would
like
to
read
it
and
as
a
committee,
we
we
certainly
send
our
deepest
sympathies
to
the
bush
family,
about
what
happened.
It's
an
unimaginable
tragedy
and
certainly
send
our
thoughts
and
prayers
before
we
move
on
to
questions.
I
just
did
want
to
ask
for
the
record
for
the
folks
who
were
presenting
from
city
of
north
las
vegas.
A
I
think
we
only
had
mr
luke
actually
sign
in
on
the
legislature's
website.
So
if,
after
the
meeting
those
of
you
who
also
presented
or
are
going
to
answer
questions
if
you
could
go
to
the
website
and
just
sign
in
that'll
help
our
committee
secretaries
with
the
minutes
and
it'll
help
keep
an
accurate
record
of
who
was
in
attendance
here
today.
So
hopefully,
mr
luke
can
walk
you
through
that.
M
A
Thank
you
miss
rodriguez,
and
I
will
note
that,
for
the
record,
under
the
exhibit
tab
on
nellis,
there
are
a
number
of
exhibits
for
this
bill.
One
was
the
presentation
that
we
just
saw
the
powerpoint
presentation.
The
other
one
was
the
statement
that
was
read
and
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
additional
studies
related
to
pedestrian
deaths
and
texting
and
driving,
and
there's
also
a
letter
of
support
that
I'm
sure
we'll
get
to
when
we
get
to
supportive
testimony.
A
So
again,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
now
would
be
the
time
for
questions.
I
believe
we're
going
to
start
with
vice
chair
nguyen,
who
has
a
couple
questions
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
K
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
to
the
bush
family
for
being
willing
to
share
your
story.
I
know
that
in
my
practice,
as
a
criminal,
defense
attorney-
and
I
know
in
you
know,
working
with
city
attorneys
across
the
state
and
especially
in
southern
nevada,
where
I've
seen
this.
K
I
know
that
this
these
are
some
of
the
more
difficult
cases
that
you
have
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
times,
because
I
don't
think
people
realize
and
can
you
clarify,
vehicular
manslaughter
under
nrs
484
b
.657
if
you're
looking
at
the
bill
on
line
six
on
page
one,
this
is
simple
negligence,
it's
not
negligent
or
not.
Recklessness.
Isn't
that
correct.
M
Marissa
rodriguez
for
the
record,
thank
you
for
that
question
assemblywoman.
Yes,
this
would
apply
to
negligence,
not
reckless
negligence.
We
have
a
different
statute
that
addresses
that,
but
this
would
not
negligent.
Not
every
conduct
that
is
deemed
negligent
is
as
egregious.
There
are
a
number
of
factors
that
contribute
to
someone's
conduct
that
if
they
are
found
to
be
guilty
of
by
committing
vehicular
manslaughter,
not
every
incident
will
have
the
same
facts.
M
So
with
this
amendment,
we
are
hoping
to
provide
options
so
that
the
prosecutor
can
determine
whether
to
charge
it
as
a
misdemeanor
at
the
city
level
or
where
it
can
be
charged
as
a
gross
misdemeanor,
where
the
facts
are
so
egregious
like
in
this
case.
K
K
M
I,
if
would
you
like
to
assembly.
A
M
Yes,
my
apologies
marissa
rodriguez,
and
I
would
like
to
have
one
of
my
colleagues
from
the
criminal
division
answer
your
questions.
Assemblywoman.
N
My
name
is
james
james,
medley,
j,
ames,
smedley
s-m-e-d-l-e-y,
deputy
city
attorney
criminal
division.
N
Thank
you
for
that
question
and
yes,
vehicular
manslaughter
addresses
conduct
that
rises
to
simple
negligence,
negligent
conduct,
not
all
negligent
conduct,
but
the
statute
essentially
says:
if
you're
operating
your
vehicle
in
a
certain
manner
by
doing
certain
things
that
rises
to
the
level
of
negligent
conduct
and
you
kill
somebody,
then
there's
going
to
be
a
consequence
and
as
the
statute
currently
stands
before
this
amendment,
it
is
a
simple
misdemeanor
punishable
by
six
months
of
jail
or
less
that's
the
maximum.
N
I
think
the
impetus
of
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
is
that,
yes,
there
are
other
statutes
out
there
that
address
different
kind
of
conduct
right
and,
if
you,
and
if
you
cut
a
line
right
down
the
middle
you
it
and
where,
where
I
think
your
question
appropriately
cuts,
the
line
is,
as
the
issue
is,
what,
if
somebody
does
something
on
purpose
and
what?
If
somebody
does
something
on
accident,
and
there
are
statutes
out
there
that
essentially
say
if
you
kill
somebody
with
intentional
conduct.
The
consequences
are
worse.
N
You
know
in
certain
situations
your
intentional
conduct
might
rise
to
the
level
of
recklessness
and
if
you
kill
somebody
or
hurt
somebody,
that's
a
felon.
The
impetus
of
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
we've
asked
the
question.
Okay,
yes,
in
the
context
where
you
have
negligent
conduct,
it's
already
been
criminalized.
Well,
what
we're
doing
here
is
not
trying
to
create
something
new,
we're
not
asking
you
to
make
something
negligent
that
wasn't
criminalized
before
criminal.
Now,
what
we're
saying
is
it's
already
been
criminalized
by
the
legislature.
The
legislature's
already
said.
N
N
Can
we
take
the
penalty
in
the
interest
of
justice
for
the
victims,
the
surviving
members
and
say
six
months.
Isn't
enough
a
year?
Is
better
and
that
that
is,
that
is
the
fundamental
principle
that
we
are
trying
to
aim
at
here
with
what
we're
doing,
because
we
have
to
look
at
these
families
like
the
bush
family
and
tell
them
yes,
your
12
year
old
and
your
9
year
old
are
dead
for
crossing
the
street
in
a
crosswalk
after
school,
on
a
bright
sunny
day.
N
Having
done
absolutely
nothing
wrong
and
they
were
struck
down
by
somebody
who
did
something
that
wasn't
reckless
that
wasn't
felony
punishable,
that
wasn't
an
intentional
act,
but
it
is
a
negligent
act.
That's
already
been
criminalized,
and
now
we
have
to
look
at
that
family
and
say
the
maximum
consequence
we
could
possibly
get
if
lightning
strikes.
N
All
of
the
26
witnesses
show
up
your
family
is
able
to
come
and
testify.
Everybody
shows
up,
everybody
testifies
the
three
or
four
five-day
trial
happens.
You
know
all
of
that
comes
down
a
jury
verdict.
A
bench
verdict
comes
down
he's
found
guilty.
N
The
worst
we
can
ask
for
in
this
circumstance
is
six
months
jail
if
he
would
have
mowed
over
a
family
of
10.
The
worst
we
could
have
asked
for
is
six
months
jail
if
he
would
have
mowed
down
22
people.
The
worst
we
could
have
asked
for
is
six
months
jail
under
the
statute,
the
way
that
it's
written,
and
so
what
we're
asking
is,
in
a
circumstance
like
this
for
all
kinds
of
reasons,
justice
principle
supporting
the
the
victims
of
the
of
the
remaining
family
members.
N
Is
it
too
much
to
ask
for
a
raise
of
the
penalty
in
a
circumstance
from
six
months
to
12
months?
What
that
would
do
is
it
would
raise
it
to
the
level
of
a
gross
misdemeanor
that
would
make
it
a
situation
where,
instead
of
a
bench
trial,
instead
of
a
judge
who
technically
is
uninterested
in
the
case
now
now
this
person
will
be
tried
by
a
jury
of
their
peers.
Let
the
citizenry
decide
what's
the
appropriate
punishment
for
mowing
down
another
member
of
the
municipality?
Well,.
K
N
The
vice
chair,
that's
that's
a
that's
a
that's
a
that's
a
fair
statement.
I
appreciate
that
at
the
end
oh
yeah,
james
smedley,
james
smith,
deputy
city
attorney,
that's
a
that's
a
fair
point,
but
I
apologize
for
my
emotional
investment
in
this
case,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
that
is,
that
is,
that
is
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
and
your
question
it's.
Your
question
goes
directly
to
the
heart
of
it.
N
N
How
much
jail
time
is
too
much
jail
time,
how
much
jail
time
potentially
is
not
enough
jail
time,
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
we're
we're
asking
for
that
increase
from
six
months
to
a
year
and
the
only
way
that
could
happen
under
the
the
state
of
the
law
is
to
recharacterize
the
offense
from
a
misdemeanor
to
gross
misdemeanor,
and
that
is
essentially
where
it
is.
K
Well,
rochelle
went
for
the
record.
I
think
you
misunderstood
my
statement.
You
know
it's
my
understanding
that
we
actually
do
already
have
an
existing
statute
kind
of
laws
that
you
know
address
simple
negligence,
reckless
negligence
and,
like
intentional
conduct
like,
for
example,
if
you
kill
someone
while
you
are
drinking,
that
is
a
felony
and
people
routinely
are
sentenced
to
eight
to
20
years,
and
that
is
a
very
different
circumstance
than
someone
who's
going.
Maybe
five
miles
over
the
speed
limit
and
unintentionally
and
accidentally
hit
someone.
K
I
I
recognize
the
tragedy
that
people
are
lost
on
our
roadways
and
I'm
just
hesitant
to
expand
what
we've
been
doing
in
our
state
just
seemingly
arbitrarily
up
to
a
year,
and
that
kind
of
brings
me
to
the
amendment
that
you
have.
That
kind
of
makes
this
wobbler
kind
of
like
language
about
whether
or
not
it
can
be
a
misdemeanor
or
a
gross
misdemeanor.
K
We
don't
really
have
like
jurisdictional
like
statutes
that
can
be
treated
like
a
misdemeanor
or
a
gross
misdemeanor,
because,
as
you
know,
that
makes
the
difference
between
whether
or
not
like
your
office
would
prosecute
it.
If
it
was
a
misdemeanor
or
whether
or
not
like
a
district
attorney's
office
would
prosecute
it
if
it
was
a
gross
misdemeanor.
K
So
I'm
wondering
how
that
like
works
in
law
like
how
do
you
determine
who
makes
that
jurisdictional
call
like
if
a
police
officer
that
respond
to
like
a
death,
a
traffic
death,
do
they
submit
both
of
that
documentation
to
the
district
attorney's
office
and
the
city
attorney's
office?
And
then
you
guys
fight
over
who
gets
it?
Who
decides?
It's
still
simple
negligence?
So
who
makes
that
determination
on
what
it's
sim?
K
M
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Assemblywoman
marissa
rodriguez,
for
the
record.
It
would
be
fact
specific.
Not
every
incident
is
the
same.
For
example,
with
the
bush
children,
there
were
a
number
of
factors
that
the
conduct
of
mr
klein
driving
close
to
a
school
when
he
knew
that
it
was
close
to
when
school,
when
children
got
out
of
school
in
a
road
where
there's
across
a
marked
crosswalk,
where
he
had
a
beer
where
he
was
driving
a
big
truck
with
this
grill,
where
he
was
looking
at
his
phone.
M
So
it
would
be
case
specific
if
the
facts
of
a
particular
case
are
so
egregious,
then
the
case
would
be
submitted
for
the
d8
for
review.
They
would
have
the
option
of
whether
or
not
to
prosecute
this
as
a
gross
misdemeanor
if
they
decline
to
prosecute
the
matter,
just
like
they
review
other
other
matters
that
are
sent
to
them
to
prosecute
as
a
a
b
felony,
for
example,
for
reckless
driving
if
they
decline.
M
K
Thank
you
for
that
answer.
I'm
I'm
still
not
really
sure
how
that
works,
because
right
now
it's
my
understanding
like
in
your
circumstance
with
the
the
bush
family.
In
this
I
mean
it's
just
tragic.
These
are
horrible
cases
and
they're
horrible
circumstances,
but
when
you're
looking
at
like
some
of
these
factors,
don't
you
have
the
ability
to
refer
these
cases
over
to
like
the
district
attorney's
office,
to
see
whether
or
not
they
will
contemplate
charging
this
as
a
felony,
reckless
vehicular
like
homicide
case
where
they
could
prosecute
it?
K
Or
did
this
you
know
the
drinking
I
realized,
probably
having
a
big
truck
is
not
illegal
or
negligent
in
any
way,
but
like
the
drinking.
Obviously
that
sounds
like
a
problem
and
the
distracted
driving.
Is
it
just
a
situation
where
you
don't
refer
cases
over
that?
You
feel
like
rise
to
that
level,
where
it's
not
a
simple
negligence,
or
are
they
not
taking
them
like?
Where
is
the
like
problem
with
some
of
these
existing
problems
that
you're,
having
with
the
cases
that
you're
using
as
examples.
M
So
marissa
rodriguez
for
the
record,
we
did
submit
this
case
to
the
to
the
da's
office.
But
again
they
are
limited
by
what
the
current
law
is
and
if
the
facts
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
a
b
felony,
they
are
not
able
to
prosecute
as
such,
and
so
what
we
are
seeking
to
do
through
ab10
is
to
to
fill
that
gap
right
right
now.
You
have
either
a
misdemeanor
or
a
b
felony
for
reckless
driving.
K
I'm
just
concerned
with
having
that
wobbler
language
between
a
misdemeanor
and
a
gross
misdemeanor
that
maybe
there
needs
to
be
like
an
additional
like
enumerated
standard.
If
that's
what
you're
trying
to
capture
it's
something
that
is
above
a
simple
negligence
but
is
below
a
reckless
like
negligence,
I
and
I'm
not
even
familiar
if
there's
something
in
between,
but
you
know
I
I
see
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish,
and
I
you
know
you
know.
I
look
forward
to
kind
of
looking
at
this
more
and
speaking
with
legal,
about
some
of
my
jurisdictional
concerns.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
vice
chair.
When
do
we
have
additional
questions,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand
in
front
of
your
screen,
let
me
know
we'll
go
to
assemblyman
or
liquor.
G
If
there
are
these
cases,
because
you
talk
about
egregious
cases
that
don't
quite
make
it
to
reckless
negligent
conduct
but
to
expand
the
to
reach
all
simple
negligence
when
you're
just
trying
to
reach
the
small
number
of
cases
seems
like
overkill,
and
it
would
be
better,
as
the
vice
chair
suggested,
to
think
about
some
tweaks
that
pick
up
this
small
category
of
cases
at
the
outer
edge
of
negligence,
rather
than
picking
up
everything
that
counts
as
simple
negligence.
A
And
I'm
not
sure
that
there
was
a
question
there
necessarily
but
from
our
folks
at
city
of
north
las
vegas
I'll.
Give
you
a
chance
to
address
that
if
you'd
like.
M
Marissa
rodriguez
for
the
record
and
assemblyman-
I
I
don't
know
if
you
reviewed
the
amended
version
of
ab10,
where
we
originally
only
added
the
word
growth
so
that
any
vehicular
man's
ladder
would
be
punishable
as
a
gross
misdemeanor.
But
now
we've
included
the
we
left
the
misdemeanor
or
gross
misdemeanor.
That
way
there
is
that
rage,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
addresses
your
your
comment.
But
if
not,
we
would
be
happy
to
consider.
M
You
know
any
any
amendments
that
you
would
think
would
be
appropriate
and
to
work
with
you
for
that.
A
Do
we
have
additional
questions
from
committee
members
on
assembly
bill,
10.,
okay,
I'm
not
seeing
any
hands
raised.
Just
give
me
one.
Second,
I
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
something
that
was
in
the
presentation
and
perhaps
ask
a
question
on
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
my
information
is
accurate
before
I
ask
that.
A
So
yeah,
I
guess
here
was
my
question
and
you
know
I'll
just
ask
this
because
it
was
a
slide
in
your
presentation
and
it
was
about.
You
know
the
case
that
we
were
talking
about
the
obviously
very
tragic
case.
But
when
it
came
to
the
sentence-
and
you
know-
I
think
the
vice
chair
explained
this-
that
in
municipal
court
the
sentence
would
be
doled
out
by
the
municipal
court
judge
after
either
a
bench
trial
or
a
plea
of
guilty.
But
it
looks
like
in
this
particular
case.
A
The
judge
opted
to
impose
a
2
000
fine
200
hours
of
community
service
traffic
school
victim
impact
panel
stay
out
of
trouble
for
a
year
and
then
120
days
of
house
arrest
with
a
60-day
sentence.
So
I
guess-
and
I
don't
want
to
ask
you
to
speak
for
the
judge,
because,
obviously
you
you
guys
are
not
judicial
officers,
but
it
doesn't
appear
in
this
case.
A
You
know
the
judge
had
at
his
or
her
disposal
six
months
in
jail
and
opted
to
to
instead
impose
120
days
of
house
arrest,
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
say
that
house
arrest
is
any
walk
in
the
park
either,
but
it's
it's
certainly
not
the
same
as
being
in
jail,
and
I
just
wondered
if
you
sort
of
had
any
thoughts
on
that,
because
I
think
you
know
the
bill
seeks
to
potentially
allow
12
months
in
jail
for
a
particular
case.
A
But
in
this
case,
which
I
think
we
can
all
agree,
is
tragic
and
and
probably
fairly
egregious
on
the
negligence
level.
The
municipal
court
judge
didn't
impose,
didn't
choose
to
impose
the
maximum
sentence,
and
I
just
I
guess
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
ask
about
that
and
see
if
you
had
any
thoughts
on
on
why
the
judge
didn't
do
that.
In
this
particular
case,.
O
Thank
you,
chairman
yeager.
My
name
is
amanda
mateer
m-a-t-e-e.
I
am
one
of
the
deputy
attorneys
for
the
criminal
division
here
in
north
las
vegas.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
answer
that
question.
My
colleague
james
medley
who's
here
and
I
were
two
of
the
prosecutors
who
did
handle
that
case.
This
case
actually
did
not
proceed
to
trial
to
a
bench
trial.
It
was
actually
negotiated
prior
to
that
point
in
time
between
mr
klein,
the
defendant
in
the
case
and
his
defense
attorney.
O
O
However,
in
speaking
with
them,
they
did
indicate
that
if
this
was
treated
as
a
gross
misdemeanor-
and
it
did
proceed
through
justice,
court
and
eventually
district
court
and
through
a
jury
trial
that
they
would
have
felt
more
inclined
to
maybe
try
to
make
those
accommodations
to
come
back
for
a
trial.
But
given
that
it
was
just
treated
as
a
misdemeanor
bench
trial,
they
ultimately
decided
that
they
were
okay
given
covet
and
given
the
fact
that
travel
restrictions
with
their
disabled
daughter
were
going
to
make
that
very
difficult.
O
They
did
give
us
the
green
light
to
negotiate
the
case
in
the
way
that,
ultimately,
it
resulted
in
which
is
what
happened
and
the
judge
did
go
along
with
the
recommended
sentence
that
was
stipulated
to
by
both
parties.
A
Thank
you
for
that
additional
context.
I
think.
That's
that's
helpful
to
know,
I
think,
that's
the
last
question
I
had
I'll
give
a
last
call
for
committee
members
for
questions
on
assembly
bill,
10.,
okay,
I
don't
see
additional
questions
so
to
our
presenters.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
and
ask
you
to
hold
tight
for
just
a
moment,
we're
going
to
take
testimony
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
for
any
concluding
remarks
before
we
close
out
the
bill
hearing,
so
I
want
to
start
with
the
zoom.
A
A
A
Thank
you
bps.
As
I
noted
earlier,
there
is
a
letter
in
support
for
assembly
bill
10
from
we
save
lives,
highway
safety
advocates,
so
you
can
find
that
on
nellis
under
the
exhibit
tab.
I
think
that's
the
only
one
there,
but
let
me
make
sure
I
have
that
accurately
that's
correct.
So
there
is
that
letter
of
support.
A
A
L
D
Good
morning,
chair
yeager
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
this
is
john
pirro
j-o-h-n-p-I-r-o
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office,
we're
in
opposition
to
this
bill.
But
before
I
go
into
the
opposition,
I
want
to
say
that
I'm
deeply
sorry
for
what
happened
to
their
fam,
that
family
and
the
loss
of
the
children
it's
hard
to
even
say.
Good
morning.
After
hearing
that
story,
I
spoke
with
the
north
las
vegas
city
attorney's
office,
about
the
bill
last
evening,
and
I
brought
up
some
facts
about
deterrence
that
I
want
to
speak
with.
D
D
D
C
D
Jail
for
the
gentleman
that
did
this
to
the
children
by
his
negligence
would
not
bring
those
children
back,
but
I
wish
it
would.
I
wish
it
would,
but
it
can't
there
are
also
unintended
consequences
from
this
bill.
D
We
will
now
be
doing
jury
trials
on
simple
negligence,
which
will
delay
civil
trials,
which
our
country
has
determined,
is
really
sometimes
the
it's
not
even
saying
making
it
whole.
But
that's
what
people
do
they
sue
each
other
and
money
is
the
poorest
remedy
for
a
loss
like
this,
but
having
a
criminal
trial,
we
will
have
to
hire
traffic
experts
and
do
a
full
criminal
trial
before
the
civil
trial
will
even
proceed,
thereby
delaying
whatever
modicum
a
civil
award
would
be
of
justice
to
a
family.
D
There
are
things
that
could
help
like
better
city
design,
better
city
planning,
better
traffic
devices,
but
that's
all
revenue
raising
things
that
would
need
to
happen
to
help
control
traffic,
notably
there
was
no
statistics
cited
where,
when
these
laws
have
passed
in
other
communities,
how
it
has
deterred
this
type
of
conduct
of
simple
negligence,
while
driving.
D
L
P
My
name
is
jennifer
noble
j-e-n-n-I-f-e-r-n-o-b-l-e
and
I
am
testifying
today
regarding
ab10
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
district
attorneys
association.
We
are
in
opposition
today,
but
I
would
like
to
thank
sincerely
ms
rodriguez
and
the
prosecutors
of
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
for
meeting
with
us
to
discuss
our
concerns
on
this
bill.
P
During
my
career,
I
have
prosecuted
some
of
these
cases.
These
misdemeanor
manslaughter
cases
and
I've
observed
that
the
families
are
frustrated
when
they
learn
that
the
person
who
killed
their
loved
one
while
driving
is
being
prosecuted
for
a
misdemeanor
for
the
nevada
district,
attorney's
association.
The
graviment
of
our
opposition
is
that
there's
no
intent
element
in
our
vehicular
manslaughter
statute
and
our
nevada
supreme
court
has
made
clear
that
the
simple
negligence
standard
cited
in
nrs
484
b
.657
means
quote
ordinary
negligence.
P
We
do
have
a
reckless
driving
statute
that
contemplates
the
instance
of
death,
that's
nrs484b,
0.653,
and
that
involves
a
willful
or
wanted
disregard
of
the
safety
of
persons
or
property.
That's
a
category
b
felony
and
it
sounds
like
the
fact
that
this
case
fell
somewhere
in
between
our
misdemeanor
manslaughter
statute
and
the
reckless
driving
causing
death
statute
and
the
felony
prosecutors
just
couldn't
quite
prove
those
elements
and
that's
tragic
I'll.
Try
to
speed
up
my
testimony,
but
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
more
points
during
the
presentation.
P
The
term
careless
was
used
throughout
nevada
counties
and
municipalities
have
ordinances
and
codes
that
deal
with
careless
driving,
for
example,
in
washoe
county.
We
have
70.3877
of
our
washoe
county
code
and
that's
careless
driving,
and
it
requires
a
careless
disregard
of
the
safety
of
persons
or
property
on
the
road.
So
that's
even
got
some
sort
of
men's
area,
some
sort
of
state
of
mind
in
it.
P
P
L
Q
Q
Q
Q
L
R
Good
morning,
chair
yeager
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
this
is
kendra
burchie,
k-e-n-d-r-a
b-e-r-t-s-c-h-y,
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsors
for
meeting
with
mr
piro
last
night
in
order
to
discuss
our
concerns
with
the
bill
and,
first
my
sincere
condolences
to
the
bush
family.
R
And
we
believe
that
that
is
the
more
appropriate
way
to
address
these
issues
versus
increasing
the
penalties
which,
as
written,
will
merely
cause
more
litigation
and
there's
with
the
way
that
the
bill
and
the
conceptual
amendment
are
written,
will
add
just
additional
confusion
and,
unfortunately,
delay
justice.
So
with
that,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
today
and
we
oppose
this
bill.
A
Thank
you
bps.
I
will
close
opposition
testimony
I'll
now,
open
it
up
for
neutral
testimony.
I
don't
believe
we
have
anyone
on
the
zoom
who'd
like
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position.
Bps.
Could
we
go
to
the
phone
lines
one
more
time
to
see?
If
there's
anybody
there
would
like
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position.
L
I
I
A
A
Thank
you
for
helping
us
manage
the
phone
lines
bps.
I
will
close
neutral
testimony
and
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
hand
it
back
over
to
our
guests,
from
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
to
make
any
concluding
remarks
on
assembly
bill
10
and
would
just
remind
you
to
please
state
your
name
before
you
speak.
M
Marissa
rodriguez
for
the
record,
thank
you,
chairman,
yeager
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
our
presentation.
M
Driving
a
vehicle
is
one
of
the
most
dangerous
activities
that
any
of
us
can
do
on
a
daily
basis.
It
is
something
that,
as
a
society,
we
have
accepted
because
we
need
it
to
provide
for
our
current
system.
However,
it
is
a
weapon
and
we
need
to
be
conscious
about
that,
and
we,
when
someone
chooses
to
be
distracted
and
to
use
their
phone,
there
needs
to
be
a
mechanism
to
provide
justice
to
the
victims
of
those
incidents.
M
Just
briefly
to
address
one
of
the
comments,
brian,
I
believe
it
was
attorney
john
piero.
He
mentioned
that
the
civil
system
was
the
mechanism
for
these
victims
to
be
made
whole.
Well.
That
presumes
that
the
defendant
would
have
the
means
to
pay
any
judgment.
It
would
presume
that
the
policy
in
their
insurance
limits
would
be
sufficient
to
cover
the
the
medical
costs
and
any
other
any
other
damages
which,
as
you
are
probably
aware,
it's
not
the
case.
M
I
believe
he
also
mentioned
that
it
would
delay
the
civil
trial
because
it
would
require
the
civil,
the
criminal
matter
to
be
finalized
first,
and
that
is
true,
but
that
is
the
nature
of
matters
that
have
both
a
civil
and
a
criminal
matter,
and
our
civil
system
is
set
up
in
a
way
to
allow
for
that.
You
can
stay
a
civil
matter
until
the
criminal
matter
is
finalized.
M
I
believe
that
addresses
the
the
comments
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
brought
this
bdr,
because
that
became
this
80-10
bill
because
we
want
to
protect
our
public.
We
want
to
protect
our
pedestrians.
We
want
to
protect
our
cyclists.
We
want
to
make
our
community
safer
and
when
someone
chooses,
because
using
your
phone
while
you're
driving
is,
is
a
choice
when
they
choose
to
act
in
a
negligent
manner.
There
should
be
justice
for
the
families.
A
It's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
seen
you
in
the
courtroom,
so
I
had
wondered
what
you're
up
to,
and
it
appears
you
were
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
and
so
good
to
see
you
and-
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
to
all
of
you
who
joined
us
as
well,
and
we
know
you
have
a
very
tough
job
out
there
as
city
prosecutors,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
on
behalf
of
the
community
and
thank
you
for
spending
some
of
your
time
with
us
here
this
thursday
morning,
and
we
hope
you
have
a
wonderful
rest
of
the
day
so
at
this
at
this
time,
I'll
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill,
10
and
committee,
as
predicted,
while
we
were
hearing
these
bills,
I
did
receive
another
committee
bdr
just
going
to
check
my
email
to
make
sure
I
didn't
get
yet
another
one
looks
like
we
just
have
one
more
that
we
have
to
introduce.
E
A
G
J
G
E
A
Yes
and
I
believe,
assemblywoman
hanson-
I
don't
know
that
we
heard
you
so
I'll,
give
you
a
chance
to
vote
yes
or
no
on
that.
A
Thank
you.
It's
perfectly
fine,
we're
still
trying
to
navigate
this
zoom
world
assemblywoman
marzola
had
to
step
away
for
a
moment.
That's
why
she
did
not
vote
on
the
motion,
but
everybody
here
who
is
president
and
voted
voted
yes,
so
the
motion
does
pass
that
bdr
will
be
introduced
and
should
be
on
the
floor
as
a
bill
this
afternoon.
A
So
with
that
behind
us,
we'll
now
move
to
the
final
final
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comment.
By
way
of
reminder,
we
reserve
up
to
30
minutes
for
public
comment
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
Public
commenters
will
have
two
minutes
to
make
public
comment.
Public
comment
is
a
time
to
raise
matters
of
a
general
nature
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
assembly
judiciary,
committee
bps.
Can
we
go
to
the
phone
lines
one
last
time
this
morning
and
see
if
there's
anybody
there
who'd
like
to
give
public
comment.
L
S
Hello,
thank
you,
joe
jaeger,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
benjamin
ciao,
that's
b-e-n-j-a-m-I-n-c-h-a.
S
S
S
In
the
short
term,
we
can
make
sure
that
we
extend
the
moratorium
to
make
sure
that
the
federal
assistance
that
has
been
provided
in
the
arp,
as
well
as
the
fed,
the
rental
assistance
and
the
unemployment
that
is
still
to
be
sent
out
to
nevadans,
get
to
nevada's
home,
so
they
can
make
sure
to
stay
in
their
home.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
A
L
T
K
T
To
a
19
year
old,
son
brian,
he
is
my
only
child
and
of
course,
like
most
parents,
I
feel
blessed
to
be
his
mom.
I
truly
lucked
out
when
he
was
younger
and
was
lucky
to
avoid
misfortunate
incidents.
My
son
was
the
kid
running
home
and
when
I'd
asked
why
he
was
home
so
soon,
he'd
without
hesitation,
let
me
know
so
and
so
was
throwing
rocks
at
windows
and
he
didn't
want
to
get
in
trouble.
T
But
what
I
do
besides
trying
to
advocate
for
change
in
the
laws,
I
also
can
try
to
connect
other
families
who
have
lost
a
loved
one
to
police,
because
there
is
a
negative
stigma
that
comes
along
with
it
is
isolating.
You
know.
I
T
T
Enough
about
that,
I
became
actively
engaged
in
your
local
state
government,
state
and
local
government.
I
have
to
give
acknowledgement
to
advocate
for
the
innocent
in
the
inmate
tonya
brown.
I
came
across
her
brother
nolan
crime's
wrongful
conviction
online
and
saw
how
he
she's
been
fighting
for
change
and
justice
for
nolan,
with
every
every
fiber
of
her
being.
She
has
become
a
mentor
ally,
teacher
supporter,
but
most
of
all,
a
friend.
It's
due
to
her
encouragement.
T
I
became
active
in
calling
the
legislator
making
public
records
requests
and
to
have
the
strength
and
tenacity
like
she
does
to
never
give
up,
never
stop
fighting
for.
What's
right.
In
the
truth,
it's
so
important
to
me.
What's
happened
with
policing
in
the
justice
system
in
your
state,
my
brother
was
killed
by
police.
They
are
stolen
from
us.
How
could
it
not
matter
to
me?
Please
support
bills
that
promote
transparency
and
accountability,
and
I
too
would
like
to
send
my
condolences
to
the
family
that
lost
their
children.
Thank
you.
A
L
To
make
public
comment
press
star
nine
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue.
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
anything.
Thank
you.
Committee
members
for
this
morning
obviously
heard
some
a
very
emotional
testimony,
and
I
know
that's
can
be
difficult
to
sit
through,
but
I
appreciate
your
attention
and
engagement
on
the
bills
today.
In
terms
of
where
we
go
tomorrow,
we
have
a
meeting
we're
going
to
meet
at
8
30,
which
I
know
is
a
bit
unusual
for
us,
but
mark
your
calendar
is
8
30.
A
we're
going
to
hear
two
bills
tomorrow,
one
from
assemblyman
roberts
dealing
with
cannabis
and
another
from
our
own
member
assemblywoman
hardy,
dealing
with
animal
abuse
and
then
for
next
week.
We
don't
yet
have
agendas
out
because
we're
waiting
for
some
bills
to
be
introduced
on
the
floor,
but
I
do
anticipate
we
will
have
committee
every
day
next
week.
I
just
don't
know
the
start
time.
I'm
thinking
we're
probably
going
to
start
at
8
30
on
monday,
but
I'll
be
able
to
confirm
that
with
you
all
tomorrow
and
we'll
go
from
there.
A
Obviously
sitting
through
this
committee,
you've
seen
that
we're
getting
a
slew
of
committee
bills
introduced.
I
am
still
waiting
on
more,
so
I
do
expect
the
next
couple
weeks
to
be
fairly
busy.
So
don't
be
surprised
if
you
start
to
see
three
four
or
five
bills
stacked
up
on
an
agenda
we'll
try
to
get
through
them
in
a
timely
manner
and
again
want
to
encourage
members.
A
Things
will
happen
fast
and
furious,
but
if
you
read
a
bill
the
night
before
and
you
have
questions
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
or
to
the
sponsor.
It
may
be
helpful
in
helping
us
move
hearings
along
to
try
to
get
some
of
those
questions
answered
offline
if
possible,
so
with
all
that
behind
us
committee.
Thank
you
again
for
all
your
hard
work
this
week.
We
will
see
you
tomorrow
back
in
this
committee
at
8
30
in
the
morning.
Until
then
have
a
great
day.
This
meeting
is.