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From YouTube: 5/26/2022 - Committee to Conduct an Interim Study Concerning the Use of the Name, Image, and Likenes
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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
I
call
this
meeting
to
order.
Welcome
to
the
third
meeting
of
the
committee
to
conduct
an
interim
study
concerning
the
use
of
the
name,
image
and
likeness
of
a
student
athlete.
That
is
a
mouthful
I'm
still
getting
used
to
saying
it
thanks
to
everyone
who's
attending
here
in
person
and
for
those
who
are
joining
us
in
las
vegas
in
person
and
online.
We
appreciate
your
continued
participation.
A
D
A
Please
mark
miss
garza,
absent
excuse
and
mark
mr
lee
absent
excused
until
he
arrives.
If
anyone
arrives,
that
is
not
called
just
go
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and
make
me.
A
Thank
you
and
we
have
a
quorum
before
we
get
started.
We're
gonna,
of
course,
go
over
some
housekeeping
rules.
I
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A
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A
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A
There
will
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a
public
comment
period
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
the
meeting
with
public
comment
limited
to
three
minutes
per
speaker
depending
on
how
quickly
we
get
through
today's
agenda.
We
may
take
a
10-minute
break
about
halfway
through
throughout
the
meeting,
but
we
also
may
not
so
we
can
get
out
of
here
as
quickly
as
possible
as
expeditiously
as
possible.
B
B
Maybe
your
final
meeting-
yes
as
you'd
already
introduced
me,
I'm
the
senior
policy
analyst
for
nevada
system
of
higher
education,
specifically
for
academic
and
student
affairs.
Thank
you.
A
Awesome
well,
thank
you
and
welcome
to
the
committee.
We
are
now
going
to
move
over
to
our
next
agenda
item
agenda.
Item
2,
which
is
public
comment.
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A
A
A
We
will
move
on
and
check
in
with
las
vegas
senator
lane.
Do
you
have
anybody
down
there
in
las
vegas?
That
would
like
to
make
public
comment.
A
A
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
committee.
May
I
ask
the
chair
how
much
time
do
you
want
for
presentation.
D
Okay,
that's
fine!
Well,
let
me
give
an
overview
and
then
I'll
move
to
my
powerpoint
slides.
Well,
I
think
the
context
for
nil
is
important
to
keep
in
mind
the
very
first
athletic
competition
between
universities
was
between
harvard
and
yale.
It
was
in
1852
and
there
was
a
sponsor
for
this.
It
was
a
boat
race
in
new
hampshire
and
he
paid
student
athletes
to
compete
with
prize
money
and
provided
lavish
surroundings
for
them
and
to
boil
down
the
history
of
ncaa
athletics.
D
It
has
always
been
intertwined
with
paying
athletes
to
compete
and
to
keep
my
comments
brief,
I
will
just
say
in
approximately
1948
the
ncaa
finally
said
enough
of
this
pretense
of
having
amateurs
compete,
but
we
all
know
that
schools
are
hiring
people
to
be
players,
and
so
they
put
in
what's
called
the
sanity
rule
and
the
sanity
rule
simply
is
it
allows
schools
to
provide
scholarships,
but
it's
strictly-
and
I
mean
strictly
prohibits
compensation
for
athletic
performance,
be
that
as
it
may,
school
after
school
after
school
has
gotten
into
trouble
with
the
ncaa
and
more
publicly
in
exposes
for
paying
athletes
to
compete.
D
Even
though
there
are
strict
rules
against
it,
that
takes
us
to
approximately
2009
when
ed
o'bannon,
a
an
all-american
forward
at
ucla,
filed
a
lawsuit,
and
he
had
seen
his
image
on
a
video
game
that
kids
were
playing
and
he
wondered
why
he
was
never
asked
for
permission.
It
turns
out.
The
answer
is
when
he
signed
his
acceptance
of
a
scholarship
he
had.
D
He
had
granted
the
university
and
ncaa
and
the
the
the
conference
all
of
his
name
image
and
likeness
rights,
and
they
were
exploited
in
a
video
game
and
he
wanted
some
compensation
for
that.
So
he
sued
the
ncaa.
He
also
sued
the
video
game
and
the
long
story
short
is
he
prevailed,
and
that
was
a
monumental
win
for
college
athletes,
because
it
was
the
first
time
that
a
court
ruled
that
the
ncaa's
amateur
rules
amounted
to
an
unlawful
restraint
of
trade.
D
That
brings
us
forward
to
the
state
of
california
in
2019.
What
california
did
is
they
said
we
are
now
going
to
legislate
economic
rights
for
players.
The
ncaa
is
not
acting.
We
will
act
in
behalf
of
student
athletes
and
they
enacted
what
I
would
call
a
bare
bones
law
that
gave
students
the
right
to
their
own
image,
name,
image
and
likeness
to
commercially
exploit
that
and
to
prohibit
schools
conferences
in
the
ncaa
from
impairing
their
right
to
do
this
at
the
time
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
about.
D
Will
california
be
the
only
state
that
will
do
this?
If
so,
what
happens
to
schools
such
as
ucla,
usc
and
cal
berkeley?
It
turns
out
that
more
than
25
states
have
enacted
nil
laws,
and
things
have
gotten
far
out
of
control.
As
I
am
guessing
your
committee
is
aware
of
so
last
year
I
embarked
on
a
study
to
read
all
of
the
laws.
Up
until
july
1st,
there
were
25
laws.
Nevada
was
one
of
the
states
that
had
legislated
and
to
just
empirically
meaning
quantitatively
record.
D
A
D
Okay,
so
this
is
this
is
the
scorecard
that
we've
got
for
the
25
states
that
had
legislated
missouri
legislated
shortly
after
my
study
closed
they're,
not
in
here,
but
to
keep
it
short
and
simple.
Nevada
is
on
the
low
side
of
a
regulatory
structure
or
scheme
and
they're
very
similar
to
california
in
california.
D
D
It
also
provides
for
agents
to
be
registered
in
the
state.
In
fact,
it
directs
that
agents
who
represent
students
be
registered
with
the
state,
and
so
I'm
telling
you
now
nevada
is
in
in
a
place
that
I
think,
is
better
than,
for
example,
my
home
state
of
illinois,
which
imposes
a
lot
of
restrictions
on
student
athletes.
I
don't
want
to
dwell
on
illinois
alone,
but
what
has
emerged
is
something
that
I
couldn't
foresee
a
year
ago.
D
In
some
ways,
my
study
is
out
of
date
and
I
think
most
people
who
thought
about
this
would
not
have
anticipated
the
the
just
rapid
explosion
of
what
I
would
call
pay-for-play
deals
that
schools
increasingly
have.
Let's
take
a
look
briefly
at
the
most
common
pay
restrictions
in
state
nil
laws
as
of
last
year
and
I've
with
yellow
I've
highlighted
the
the
most
common
ones
are,
of
course,
what
what
is
meant
by
name
image
and
likeness.
D
So
all
states
have
a
definition
of
that.
Most
states
require
reporting
of
a
deal
to
the
school.
Most
states
require
that
the
deal
not
conflict
with
institutional
policies.
Most
schools
excuse
me
most
states,
I
should
say,
also
have
a
prohibition
against
using
nil
as
a
recruiting
tool.
I've
put
that
in
yellow
highlights,
because
that's
not
what's
happening
today.
In
fact,
schools
are
using
nil,
deals
to
recruit,
left
and
right.
D
It's
not
it's
not
confined
to
one
area.
If
you're
paying
attention
to
this
and
need
just
a
quick
example,
you
would
look
at
texas,
a
m's
football
team
in
alabama
and
the
dust
up
between
the
head
head
football
coaches.
There.
The
claim
is
made
that
texas,
a
m,
has
bought
their
top-ranked
football
recruiting
class.
That
is
a
claim.
I
don't
know
if
it's
true
or
not
true,
the
other
thing
is
no
pay
for
performance.
D
Well,
even
the
past
two
months
that
has
been
essentially,
people
have
acted
in
disregard
of
even
their
own
state
laws
that
that
deal
with
that
here
are
some
uncommon,
pay
restrictions,
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
dwell
on
them
at
length,
there's
only
one.
I
want
to
pull
out
of
here.
The
reason
I
don't
think
we
need
to
dwell
on
them
is
nevada,
has
not
regulated
in
this
way
and-
and
I
commend
nevada
for
not
doing
it,
but
the
booster
regulation.
D
There
are
three
states
that
specifically
said
or
legislated
a
prohibition
on
having
boosters
provide
compensation
for
nil
deals,
and
the
idea
was
to
ensure
that
their
state
schools
did
not
run
afoul
of
ncaa
regulations.
What
I've
neglected
to
mention
so
far
is
the
ncaa
was
handed
a
monumental
defeat
in
a
case
called
ncaa
versus
alston.
D
It
shredded
the
ncaa's
amateur
athlete
model
and,
and
it
really
seemed,
and
particularly
justice-
brett
kavanaugh's
concurrence
all
but
called
for
another
lawsuit
to
challenge
the
restrictions
on
pay
for
play,
calling
this
an
exploitation
of
athletic
labor.
In
any
event,
that
sort
of
blew
the
cap
off
of
the
ncaa's
regulations,
the
ncaa
has
been
unable
to
regulate
itself
and
in
this
void
of
not
having
a
national
law
or
a
national
association
to
impose
rules
and
consequences
on
its
members.
D
It's
become
a
free
market,
just
like
it
was
in
the
1850s,
going
all
the
way
through
to
the
the
the
sanity
rule
of
1948.
So
to
get
to
my
bottom
line.
What
would
I
think
about
if
I
were
a
state
lawmaker
who
wanted
to
to
legislate
in
this
area?
The
first
thing,
I
would
say,
is
understand
what
collectives
are
collectives
are,
in
effect,
glorified
booster
groups
they're.
They
have
money,
lots
of
it
typically
and
they
act
as
what
I
think
of
as
market
brokers
to
provide
compensation
to
college
athletes.
D
Sometimes
it's
just
one
organization:
sometimes
they
they're
pooling
money
from
different
sources,
but
in
any
event,
my
point
is
as
follows:
a
these
collectives
are
funneling
millions
of
dollars
to
student
athletes
and
if
it
hasn't
happened
in
nevada,
it's
only
a
matter
of
time.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
it's
ripe
for
abuse
and-
and
I
think
it's
important-
that
a
state
consider
just
requiring
collectives
to
incorporate
in
your
state
so
that
they
can
be
sued
in
instances
where
there
is
fraud,
misappropriation
of
money
and
so
forth.
D
I
mean
they
have
turned
into
the
bankroll
operation
for
college
athletics
and
they're,
unregulated
they're,
unregulated
by
the
ncaa
and
states,
aren't
regulating
in
this
area
that
that
I
would
strongly
urge
all
states
to
consider
you
all
in
nevada,
do
require
nil
agents
to
register
in
your
state.
Don't
change
this!
It's
a
great
idea!
You're!
D
Looking
at
18
to
22
year
olds,
who
are
doing
these
nil
deals,
I'm
not
sure
I
have
the
sophistication
to
do
an
il
deal,
but
when
I
was
19
years
old
or
20,
I
certainly
wouldn't
have
had
the
savvy
to
figure
out
the
tax
implications
of
a
deal
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
This
is
an
essential
element
in
any
nil
law
points.
Three
four
and
five
anticipate
the
advent
of
an
employment
relationship.
It's
going
to
happen,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
D
The
question
is:
when
there
are
there's
the
national
labor
relations
board,
has
an
enforcement
action
against
schools
in
california.
It
could
lead
to
a
ruling
that
creates
an
employee
status
for
college
athletes
who
are
involved
in
that
you
have
a
lawsuit
in
the
third
circuit,
that's
out
of
philadelphia.
It
is
a
very
consequential
case.
It's
called
johnson
versus
ncaa.
It's
a
fair
labor
standards
act,
lawsuit!
It's
a
basic.
These
colleges
owe
me
minimum
wage
and
overtime
they're,
pretending
that
this
is
an
amateur
relationship.
I'm
actually
I
meet
the
criteria
for
employment.
D
The
early
signs
are
that
that
has
promised
to
result
in
a
ruling
for
favorable
to
student
athletes.
Congress
is
considering
legislation,
and
hopefully,
before
any
of
these
external
you
know,
agents
impose
this
or
these
sources
impose
this.
I
I
would
hope
the
ncaa
would
say
we
need
to
do
this
on
our
own.
That
would
make
life
simpler
for
everybody
here,
but
it's
not
even
a
given
that
the
ncaa
will
survive
as
an
entity.
Let's
talk
briefly
about
points
four
and
five
this.
This
is
a
counterintuitive
point
like.
D
Why
would
why
is
it
good
for
to
have
collective
bargaining
for
student
athletes,
and
the
answer
is:
look
at
pro
athletics
under
the
national
labor
relations
act.
First
of
all,
your
public
schools
are
exempt
from
coverage,
so
they're
not
exposed
to
a
ruling
that
they'll
they'll
be
unionized.
However,
your
schools
are
affiliated
with
conferences.
D
Those
are
private
entities
and
those
private
entities
are
considered
by
the
nlrb
to
be
joint
employers.
So
there's
a
workaround,
that's
in
progress.
Now
it
hasn't
been
adjudicated.
We
don't
know
how
to
turn
out,
but
to
get
to
my
simple
point,
and
it
takes
me
weeks
in
a
in
a
classroom
to
really
teach
the
point.
D
But
what
is
sorely
missing
from
the
nil
scene
today
is
a
lack
of
competitive
balance,
because
schools
are
are
just
outdoing
each
other
and
spending
themselves
into
there's
using
these
collectives,
but
it
creates
such
uneven
competition
that
it's
it's
not
good
for
college
athletics
in
the
long
run
again.
D
To
return
to
my
point:
if
and
when
we
have
employment
and
for
college
athletes
and
if
and
when
they're
represented
by
a
union,
then
we
will
see
something
along
the
lines
of
what
we
have
in
the
nfl
major
league
baseball,
the
nba
national
hockey
league,
where
there
is
bargaining
and
where
player
unions
have
actually
tried
to
vanish
decertify
so
that
they
can
go
to
court
and
individually
sue
in
antitrust
and
it's
much
more
promising
to
get
damages
there.
So
it
is
a
counter-intuitive
point,
but
you're
heading
down
this
road.
D
Let
me
just
conclude
by
saying
again
get
ready
for
employment,
and
I
skipped
over
a
point
that
I
do
want
to
emphasize
think
about
putting
in
a
trigger
law
point
three.
I
mean
that
doesn't
commit
you,
but
what
I
mean
by
a
trigger
law
is
it's
a
law
that
says
in
effect,
if
a
state
in
a
conference
that
has
a
nevada
school
and
that
would
probably
be
california-
and
I
don't
know
all
the
conferences
that
are
involved
with
nevada,
but
if
another
state
has
an
employment
law
it
it.
D
But
again
it
would
keep
your
schools
in
a
competitive
position
relative
to
that
school,
which
is
legislating,
an
employment
relationship,
and
so
I
will
just
finally
say
you
know,
who
should
you
be
consulting
with,
and
certainly
student
athletes
should
be
consulted
with?
I
would
urge
you
to
consult
with
attorneys,
who
represent
professional
sports
leagues
and
las
vegas.
Now
has
a
sp,
you
have
sports
franchises.
D
You've
got
the
expertise
in
your
state
and
you
should
be
talking
to
people
on
the
pro
side
to
say,
tell
us
more
about
collective
bargaining.
How
does
this
work?
What
do
you
think
of
it?
You
should
also
be
talking
to
academics,
student
athletes
and
so
forth.
You
should
be
talking
as
well
to
antitrust
lawyers
who
are
in
this
space,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
liability
out
there
for
schools
that
is
just
hanging
in
the
air.
It's
not
reported
extensively,
there's
a
lawsuit
called
house
versus
ncaa.
D
I
reference
johnson
versus
ncaa.
I
mean,
if
you
do
nothing
and
if
everybody
does
nothing
and
these
court
cases
just
precede
a
pace
which
they
will
do
anyway,
you
could
find
that
your
ncaa
institutions
are
facing
massive
damages
which
are
tripled
under
the
sherman
antitrust
act.
That's
out
of
your
hands
at
this
point.
To
be
perfectly
honest,
but
I
would
start
talking
to
one
or
more
anti-trust
lawyers
to
just
grasp
the
magnitude
of
exposure
that
your
schools
have
under
this.
And
finally,
yes,
it's
important
to
talk
to
the
athletic
directors.
D
They
had
the
first
pass
of
drafting
these
nil
laws.
I
don't
want
to
disparage
them,
they
did
the
best
they
could,
but
they
also
have
a
particular
vantage
point
which
inhibits
them
from
thinking
strategically
about
the
long
run,
and
I
think
what
they
did
is
they
legislated
for
the
past.
They
looked
at
a
structure
of
ncaa
rules
that
crumbled
under
their
feet.
My
simple
advice
is
legislate
for
the
future
and
I
thank
the
chair
and
I
thank
the
committee.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
We
are
going
to
open
it
up
for
questions.
Do
we
have
any
questions
here
in
carson
city.
E
So,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
found
it
very
insightful.
I'm
interested
in
the
collective
bargaining
part.
E
Are
there
other
states
that
have
some
collective
bargaining
language
in
their
nil
legislation,
that,
for
in
the
event
that
athletes
organized
it
would
trigger
that
part
of
the
law.
D
Well,
let
me
return
the
compliment.
That's
an
insightful
question.
No,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
there
aren't,
but
there
are
what
I
would
call
proxy
laws
along
these
lines
on
your
western
border.
California,
california,
has
a
very
interesting
bill.
D
That
is
more
than
just
a
dream:
it's
it
has
not
been
enacted,
but
the
long
story
short
is.
It
will
require
ncaa
schools
in
the
state
of
california
to
set
aside
50
percent
of
their
gross
athletic
revenues
to
be
distributed
as
educational
benefits
to
their
student
athletes,
and
there
would
be
a
six
year
post
eligibility
lock
box
set
up
now,
that's
not
collective
bargaining.
D
But
if
you
look
at
collective
bargaining
in
all
the
major
sports,
the
four
major
team
sports,
you
will
see
that
there
is
roughly
a
48
to
52
percent
division
of
gross
revenues
between
owners
and
between
the
players
association,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is
california.
They
they
have,
in
my
mind,
created
a
proxy
feature
for
this.
Okay
they're
talking
about
a
50
50
split,
and
it's
called
a
doomsday
bill
for
athletic
programs
in
california,
because
they're
they're
spent
out
to
their
last
dime.
They
can't
afford
this.
D
So
to
me
that
suggests
collective
bargaining
is
a
better
idea
than
just
imposing
a
numerical
limit
on
a
on
a
set
of
institutions
that
can't
bargain
away
from
it.
D
They
are
working
together
on
this
legislation
and
if
you
could
have
those
two
senators
working
together
on
this,
it
does
show
the
promise
for
that.
I'm
not
pretending
that
they'll
enact
it,
but
there
is
a
robust
debate
and
sort
of
consensus
that
both
parties
should
be
considering
this.
So
as
of
yet
no
state
level
collective
bargaining.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
there
in
las
vegas
that
have
questions.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair.
Anyone
on
zoom.
G
Could
I
ask
a
question,
michael,
that
was
phenomenal
man.
I
feel
like.
A
A
Okay,
I
just
had
to
my
apologies.
I
just
had
to
clarify
if
you
could
ask
a
question
not
being
a
committee
member,
but
because
of
the
the
information
here
and
it
being
so
new.
You
are
going
to
present
next
but
feel
free
to
go
ahead
and
ask
your
question.
Now,
while
we
have
the
law,
professor,
on.
G
I
mean
I
just
trying
to
take
advantage
of
all
the
wisdom
from
michael,
michael,
great
great
stuff,
and
I
will
probably
be
referring
back
to
a
lot
of
it
in
my
my
my
rant
that
I'm
about
to
do,
but
it
sounds
to
me,
like
you,
believe,
student
athletes
should
be
employees.
G
Do
you
really
think
that's
in
their
best
interest,
knowing
that
most
college
athletic
departments
right
now
are
running
models
that
would
pass
a
great
deal
of
things
that
are
currently
perks
like
tuition
being
free,
like
unlimited
pairs
of
sneakers,
like
four
strength,
trainers,
and
now
it's
gonna
be
one
and
you
gotta
share
the
cost
for
the
additional
three
strength
trainers
I
can
keep
going,
but
if
they're
truly
treated
like
professional
athletes
excuse
do
you
really
think
that
that's
in
the
best
interest
of
student
athletes.
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
the
for
that
particular
question
and
insight.
I'm
actually
gonna
ask
mr
leroy
not
to
answer
that
question:
okay,
okay,
yeah.
A
For
this
particular
conversation,
but
thank
you,
mr
leroy.
Anyone
else
have
questions
here
in
las
vegas
or
are
here
in
carson,
las
vegas.
I
think
we're
clear
on
that.
Okay,
great
mr
leroy,
I
have
one
quick
question
for
you
before
we
move
on
now.
You
talked
you
talked
favorably
about
california
and
their
laws,
and
there
are
some
challenges
with
the
illinois
laws
being
restrictive.
D
Well,
thank
you
chair.
The
two
that
are
anomalies
and
that
are
deeply
concerning
to
me-
are
one
they
prohibit
a
student
athlete
from
suing
they've
prohibited
a
student
athlete
and
anyone
else
from
suing
over
an
nil
deal
suing
a
school.
D
D
The
the
player
gets
into
trouble
with
the
law
has
has
a
dust
up
with
the
law,
and
then
the
coach
says
you
know
what
we're
done.
You're,
not
good
for
the
team.
You've
got
this
nil
deal
that
is.
Is
I
mean?
What
do
you
do
then?
And
it's
not
fully
paid
out?
That's
for
a
court
to
figure
out,
that's
not
for
the
legislature
to
figure
out
in
advance.
D
The
second
strong
area
of
concern
I
have
is
that
our
state
has
said
that
an
institution
a
university
can
condition
its
approval
of
an
il
deal
on
its
ability
to
take
a
cut
of
the
deal.
I
have
no
evidence
that
that
is
happening,
but
the
very
fact
that
it's
written
to
the
law
again,
I
am
sort
of
putting
myself
in
the
mode
of
being
an
agent
for
a
student
athlete,
and
I
am
saying
why
would
I
why
would
I
want
to
send
a
student-athlete
there
as
opposed
to
nevada?
D
I
mean
nevada,
doesn't
have
any
restriction
like
that.
The
only
other
state
that
has
these
restrictions
are
mississippi
and
arkansas,
and
so
there
are
47
other
states
where
I
can
take
my
you
know.
My
client
and
and
send
them
out
there,
so
those
are
my
strongest
concerns
about
illinois's
law.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
am
good
that
didn't
create
any
more
questions.
Okay,
nope
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
E
E
I'll,
let
it
go,
did
you
have
a
question?
Mr
urban
has
a
question.
A
C
Thank
you
chair.
Of
course,
all
of
this
information
has
trickle-down
effects
on
the
smaller
institutions
around
the
country
and
we,
of
course
deal
with
much
smaller
budgets,
much
smaller
overall
implications.
However,
if,
for
example,
community
college
athletes
were
become
employees,
I
can
tell
you
right
now.
C
Our
hr
department
would
lose
their
minds
totally
unprepared
for
anything
along
those
lines
of
having
to
deal
with
that,
and
I'm
I'm
concerned
that
if
and
when
that
actually
happens,
that
we
may
lose
our
whole
our
whole
athletic
departments
because
of
our
inability
to
be
able
to
process
all
the
things
that
would
go
along
with
a
with
an
athlete
that
then
becomes
an
employee.
Can
you
comment
on
that?
Please,
sir,
and
what
your
thoughts
are.
D
I'm
happy
you
raised
the
issue.
I
think
those
concerns
are
valid
and
and
and
should
and
must
be
addressed.
I
mean
you
have
these
power
five
schools
and
to
the
best
of
my
unlv
just
off
the
top
of
my
head
isn't
in
there
are
out
of
the
the
the
it's
the
elite
group
and
there's
some
thought
that
what's
going
to
happen,
is
there
will
be
a
super
league
that
sort
of
evolves
out
of
there?
D
But
to
get
to
your
question
to
the
extent
that
states
legislate,
for
example,
for
employment,
I
think
it
would
make
great
sense
to
restrict
employment
to
the
power
five
schools,
so
in
some
sense,
nevada
isn't
in
that
picture
at
all
at
this
point,
but
I
your
your
concern
is
correct
and
let
me
just
add
to
your
concern:
if,
if
the
way
things
are
evolving,
whether
we
have
employment
or
not,
it's
going
to
be
very
hard
for
schools
to
maintain
non-revenue
sports.
Okay.
D
So,
let's,
let's
think
beyond
the
community
college,
but
a
smaller
university
and
football
and
basketball
are,
are
getting
to
be
so
expensive
that
it's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
support
that
they
provide
the
money
for
these
non-revenue
sports,
but
to
the
extent
that
you
have
these
bills
that
in
effect
say
well,
we
can't
do
employment,
but
we
can
reach
our
hand
into
an
athletic
budget
and
start
to
distribute
money
directly
to
the
college
athlete
and
we'll
make
it
simple,
we'll
make
it
an
educational
benefit.
Who
could
be
against
that?
D
I'm
saying
that
in
a
in
quotes,
that's
going
to
really
put
pressure
on
athletic
department
budgets
to
maintain
their
non-revenue
sports.
The
bottom
line
is
your
concern
is
valid,
it
should
be
addressed
and
I
would
just
add
for
the
power
five
schools
for
the
biggest
programs,
the
ohio
states,
the
michigans
and
so
forth
of
the
world.
D
An
employment
relationship
would
be
just
as
hard
for
them
to
swallow,
even
if
it
were,
you
know,
for
their
football
program
or
their
basketball
program,
they're
not
ready
for
it
culturally
they're,
not
ready
for
it
financially,
but
the
problem
is,
they
have.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
leroy,
and
I
think
we
are
going
to
move
on
from
here.
E
A
E
Okay,
so
I
was
interested
in
you
mentioned
the
senators,
blackburn
and
booker
have
a
law,
and,
as
we
look
at
some
of
the
nil
laws
that
have
already
been
put
into
place
and
we've
found
that
some
are
too
restrictive
and
they're
starting
to
want
to
repeal
some
of
those
laws
and
as
we
are
just
at
the
baby
steps
trying
to
make
the
right
choices
for
nevada,
I'm
really
also
interested
in
what
the
federal
government
is
doing
and
if
that
is
just
something
that
you
feel
what
they're
doing
I'd
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
then
know
if
you
feel
that
that's
something
that's
going
to
move
forward
or
stall.
D
Great
questions,
so
let
me
take
the
last
part.
First,
I'm
doubtful
that
this
congress
will
enact
legislation.
Part
of
it
is
the
just
the
dynamic
of
this
congress
and
the
political
dynamic
of
polarization
in
the
country.
So
it's
hard
to
legislate
much
of
anything
and
that's
just
a
reality,
but
more
specifically
what
the
ncaa
would
want.
So
basically,
the
the
the
thought
is
that
the
assembly
has
its
lobbyists
out
there
too
and
they're
basically
saying
okay.
D
If
if
it's
employment
we'll
deal
with
it
but
give
us
anti-trust
exemption,
I
don't
know
of
a
single
industry,
that's
gone
to
congress
and
has
said
we
can't
regulate
our
own
industry.
Why
don't
you
folks
in
washington,
regulate
it
for
us,
but
give
us
a
complete
exemption
from
anti-trust?
I
mean
to
me
that
that's
so
unrealistic.
Now
I
I
could
be
proven
wrong
tomorrow,
but
that's
my
heartfelt
belief
and
so
and
then
to
thread
back
to
your
question
about
well,
things
are
changing
and
people
are
repealing
their
laws.
D
D
Repeal
you've
got
a
lot
that
is
good
and,
and
you
want
to
talk
to
student
athletes
and
athletic
directors
and
ask
well
how's
this
working
out
I'll
just
highlight
one
point,
and
that
is
gambling
is
coming
into
college
athletics
in
a
huge
way
in
ways
that
I
can't
even
keep
up
with,
but
to
make
a
long
story
short.
This
was
forbidden
by
the
ncaa,
but
now
athletic
conferences
are
doing
deals
with
gaming
operations
and
sponsorship,
and
and
so
forth,
and
and
and
this
is
an
important
part
of
your
state
economy.
D
D
I
don't
know
what
that
means
for
you
all,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
that
industry,
the
gaming
industry
is
moving
heavily
into
college,
athletics
and
and
college
athletics
is
now
they
need
the
money
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you
and
they're
embracing
gaming
in
a
way
that
they
haven't
done
before
or
gambling.
I
should
say.
E
Is
there
any
research
on
on
the
gambling
and
athletes
any
that's.
I
mean
if
we're
in
the.
If
people
are
starting
to
be
in
the
thought
process
and
I've
thought
about
this
as
well,
is
there
any
research?
That's
been
done
around
that
topic.
D
I'm
unaware
of
it
there
probably
is
research,
that's
been
done
on
it,
but
but
you
know
also
it's
such
a
new
phenomenon
in
college
athletics
that
it
may
be
uncharted.
I
mean
if
there
may
be
no
research
on
it.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
leroy.
Thank
you
for
the
information,
for
the
thorough
information
is
greatly
appreciated.
A
A
We
will
have
a
presentation
on
current
policies,
programs
and
challenges
related
to
nil
use
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno.
We
have
jim
cavall
founder
and
chief
executive
executive
officer
of
influencer
and
joseph
flores
senior
associate
athletic
director
compliance
services
at
unr.
A
G
Well,
first
off
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
having
me.
I
want
to
make
sure
you
can
you
can
hear
me
okay,
yes
great.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
having
me.
You
know.
We
really.
You
know,
really
appreciate
our
partnership
with
the
university
of
nevada
and
we
were
asked
to
to
do
this.
I
wanted
to
really
just
just
get
a
chance
to
kind
of
take
you
through.
G
You
know
what
influencer
is
what
what
the
lens
we
have
is
of
an
il
because
of
who
we
work
with,
and
the
breadth
of
schools
and
athletes
we
work
with
and
then
some
common
issues
that
we
continue
to
see
that
do
have
to
do
with.
You
know,
state
laws
that
do
exist
in
the
couple
dozen
states
that
michael
referenced.
G
The
great
thing
is
michael,
did
a
great
job
talking
through
the
timeline
of
nil,
so
I'm
going
to
refer
back
to
it
instead
of
doing
the
same
thing
and
repeating
a
lot
of
it.
So,
first
off
I'm
a
former
student
athlete
from
new
york
and
I
ended
up
down
in
alabama.
I
played
college
baseball
down
in
alabama,
and
so
sports
was
a
big
part
of
my
life.
It
moved
me
a
thousand
miles
from
home
and
I
still
live
in
birmingham
today.
That's
where
influencer
is
based.
G
I've
always
been
an
entrepreneur
and
really
the
abandoned
case
was
the
catalyst
for
me
to
sell
a
national
fitness
brand.
I
had
been
building
because
I
felt
that
that
case,
that
michael
mentioned,
without
a
bannon
really
made
nil,
not
a
matter
of
if
but
when,
and
so
we
started
influencer
in
2017
way
before
nil
started.
I
think
that's
important
to
say
because
there's
thousands
of
new
companies
today
because
of
nil.
We
did
not
start
recently.
G
G
Student
athletes
wanted
to
grow
their
social
media
wanted
to
build
a
brand
before
they
were
done
playing,
so
they
could
use
it
for
whatever
was
after
sports
and
that's
what
college
sports
is
really
all
about
right,
giving
student
athletes
a
platform
to
launch
the
rest
of
their
lives,
and
so
we
did
that
for
four
years
by
getting
schools
to
pay
us
an
annual
software
fee,
they
provided
an
app
to
their
student
athletes
that
live
right
on
their
phone,
the
influencer
app
and
through
that
app,
they
gain
access
to
content
shop
by
the
media
content
shop
by
the
school,
with
the
right
to
share
that
content
to
their
instagram
to
their
facebook,
to
their
snapchat
and
ultimately
grow
their
audience
on
social
media.
G
In
2021,
when
I
o
began,
we
had
more
than
200
division,
1
schools
under
contract,
more
than
four
thousand
division.
One
teams
under
contract
to
to
provide
that
service,
but
also
we
began
to
launch
new
products,
one
of
which
is
influencer,
verified,
influencer
verified,
is
used
by
these
schools
and
their
student
athletes
to
report
all
of
the
nil
transactions
that
take
place
so
across
the
country.
You
have
more
than
100
000
athletes
using
their
influencer
app,
not
just
to
share
content
but
now
to
report
their
transactions
to
compliance.
G
G
Are
happening
with
women
athletes
versus
men,
athletes
and
in
football
versus
non-football
sports,
and
all
these
things
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
were
curious
to
to
see
how
nil
would
play
out,
and
I
I'm
going
to
get
into
some
of
the
some
of
those
stats
in
a
second.
So
you
can
get
a
little
bit
of
a
picture
of
what
that
looks
like.
But
ultimately,
today
the
influencer
app
is
on
more
than
100
student
athletes,
phones
and
with
more
than
200
schools.
G
We
have
an
average
contract
about
four
years,
so
they're
trusting
us
to
not
only
deliver
content
to
the
athlete,
but
also
they
use
it
to
disclose
transactions.
They
can
be
contacted
by
a
collective
or
a
business
to
be
contracted
with
and
paid,
and
those
payments
automate
disclosures
for
compliance,
but
also
tax
documentation
for
the
student
athletes.
G
So,
there's
an
array
of
reasons
now
that
student
athletes
use
their
influencer
app,
not
just
to
build
a
brand
and
grow
their
nil
value,
but
ultimately
to
be
able
to
build
and
manage
their
nil
business
and
the
beauty
is
we
only
make
money
from
the
school
we're
a
software
as
a
service
business.
G
We
don't
take
any
transaction
fees
or
decrease
any
of
what
ends
up
in
the
student
athletes
pockets
the
school's
contract
with
us
to
provide
the
pipes
ultimately
for
nil,
the
tech
for
their
student
athletes
to
use
so
we're
really
an
athlete
first
mindset
in
everything
we
do
and
including
how
we
make
money.
I
think
that's
important
last
thing
I'll
say
about
our
lenses.
G
We
have
an
nil
summit
coming
up
in
atlanta
georgia,
at
the
college
football
hall
of
fame,
where
we've
invited
all
of
our
schools
to
send
student
athletes
and
we're
going
to
have
some
student-athletes
on
stage
talking
about
nil.
From
their
perspective,
providing
case
studies
talking
about
problems,
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
big
brands
and
celebrities.
There
doing
the
same
thing
we'll
have
more
than
300
athletes
from
more
than
100
of
our
schools.
G
In
one
place,
I
think
really
it's
the
first
time
in
history
you'll
have
that
many
different
student
athletes
from
that
many
different
sports
and
that
many
different
schools
in
one
place
and
that's
a
lens.
I
don't
think
many
of
us
have
enough
of
which
is
the
perspective
of
the
student
athlete
in
all
this.
We
know
the
business
owner's
perspective.
We
know
the
athletic
director's
perspective.
We
know
a
lot
of
perspectives,
but
what
is
the
perspective
of
a
student
athlete?
G
And
so
that's
what
I
want
to
share.
I
want
to
share
what
I've
experienced
through
conversations
with
student
athletes
through
going
and
speaking
at
some
of
our
schools
to
student
athletes
and
interacting
with
them
in
person
through
building
relationships
with
student
athletes.
Some
some
common
themes,
common
theme
number
one
is
nil-
happened
pretty
abruptly
last
july.
G
First,
a
lot
of
student
athletes
in
states
that
didn't
have
laws
didn't
think
they
would
actually
have
nils
possibility
right
away,
but
it
just
happened
out
of
nowhere
in
late
june,
when
the
ncaa
passed
a
waiver
that
was
a
waiver
to
the
nil
by
law
that
at
that
time,
had
students
signing
away
their
nil
rights.
All
of
a
sudden
that
was
waived
as
long
as
you
know
the
student
athlete
wasn't,
you
know
paid
for
play
or
induced
through
recruiting.
Otherwise
it
was
pretty
much
on
the
school
to
create
their
own
policy.
G
So
a
lot
of
us
thought
we'd
have
one
regulatory.
You
know
uniform
law
across
the
country
from
the
ncaa,
but
instead
we
had
a
lot
of
laws,
really
policies
per
school.
Thousands
of
them
and
student
athletes
went
on
social
media
the
first
day
and
they
posted
a
post
that
went
viral
and
the
post
basically
said
to
the
world.
It
was
a
screenshot
that
had
been
passed
around
with
tens
of
thousands
of
student
athletes
and
posted
on
social
media
and
said
nil
is
now
illegal
and
so
any
business
out
there,
local
or
national.
G
I
want
you
to
know
my
direct
messages,
my
dm's
on
social
or
open
for
business,
and
I
think
that
viral
post
showed
the
misunderstanding.
Student
athletes
had
about
what
nil
would
be
and
show
that
they
thought
it
was
going
to
be
a
big
payday
for
them
instantly
and
instead
it's
not
the
case.
Student
athletes
have
not
made
a
bunch
of
money
and
become
rich
off
of
nil.
G
G
Business
is
just
as
hard
as
getting
a
4.0
gpa,
it's
just
as
hard
as
getting
a
scholarship
or
getting
playing
time.
You
get
out
what
you
put
in
and,
quite
frankly,
80
percent
of
student
athletes
on
most
of
our
campuses
are
just
not
interested
in
putting
in
that
work,
because
they're
pretty
busy
going
to
class
studying
the
playbook
going
to
practice
playing
the
games,
and
it's
just
reality,
and
so
you
know,
student
athletes
need
help
and
who
do?
Student
athletes
usually
go
to
to
get
help
when
they
have
any
problem
on
their
campus.
G
If
they
get
hurt,
who
do
they
go
to
if
they
struggle
with
classes?
Who
do
they
go
to
if
they
need
help
on
the
field?
Where
do
they
go?
Do
they
go
to
the
school
they
go
to
the
coaches?
They
go
to
the
trainers,
they
go
to
the
academic
advisors.
They
go
to
the
tutors,
but
with
nil,
almost
every
state
law.
Not
all
of
them.
G
Schools
and
their
staffs
cannot
be
involved
in
facilitating
nil
deals
for
student
athletes,
but
the
reality
is
that
student
athletes
need
help.
They
need
help
it's
a
disservice
for
there
not
to
be
resources
on
campus
when
they
have
a
question
about
an
nil
contract
when
they
have
a
question
about
an
amount
that
was
offered
to
them
for
an
nil
deal
when
they
have
a
question
once
they
signed
a
contract
on
what
shirt
they
should
wear
and
where
they
should
show
up
to
fulfill
the
deal
they
did.
G
These
are
all
things
that,
at
the
pro
level
we
like
to
compare
pro
nil
to
college.
It's
not
apples
to
apples.
It's
very
different.
Pro
athletes
have
a
players
association,
pro
athletes
all
have
an
agent
pro
athletes,
don't
have
to
go
to
class,
so
they
have
more
time.
It's
not
the
same.
There's
also
way
more
options
of
college
athletes
to
work
with
than
there
are
pro
athletes.
G
There's
many
much
less
in
quantity,
pro
level
athletes
to
work
with
so
but
but
priorities
have
a
place
to
go
when
they're
working
on
a
deal
or
they
have
to
fill
it
college
athletes
don't
and
so
what's
happened,
a
gap
has
been
created
and
the
gap
has
been
filled
by
who
boosters
and
donors
with
collectives,
which
make
it
really
easy
to
do
nil
deals
for
things
like
appearances
at
a
dinner
put
whatever
dollar
amount.
G
They
want
in
a
way
where
really
in
a
contract,
looks
like
a
value
exchange
for
their
nil
and
they're
directly
interfacing
with
student
athletes
and
the
schools
feel
like
they
can't
even
be
involved
in
that
or
even
be
in
the
know,
beyond
hopeful,
hopefully
getting
a
disclosure
with
a
contract
on
what's
going
on,
and
so
these
collectives
are
filling
a
void.
They're
going
directly
to
student
athletes
and
they're
gaining
in
some
situations.
G
G
I'm
not
saying
that
every
athletic
department
has
to
have
an
internal
agency
and
as
to
go
out
and
get
deals
for
their
student
athletes
and
negotiate
the
deal
from
start
to
finish,
but
there
should
be
some
ability
for
a
student
athlete
to
be
able
to
talk
to
somebody
on
campus
when
they
have
questions
about
nil,
and
I
have
to
find
what
is
essentially
in
most
cases,
a
street
agent
to
answer
questions,
because
the
big
agencies
aren't
going
to
help
most
student
athletes.
They
don't
make
enough
money
with
nil.
So
you
know
right
now.
G
The
average
transaction
in
our
system
is
about
two
thousand
dollars
a
little
over
two
thousand
dollars.
Just
from
march
to
april,
it's
gone
up
50.
So
it's
really
going
up
fast,
the
median
transactions
at
about
60
dollars
when
it
start
when
niall
started,
it
was
only
25..
Student
athletes
are
starting
to
learn
that
they've
been
driving
down
their
value
by
taking
any
deal.
That
comes
to
them,
but
you
know
the
number
of
payments
that
came
through
our
system
to
student
athletes
from
march
to
april
3x.
G
So
this
is
growing
and
collectives
are
becoming
a
big
part
of
it,
as
well
as
more
traditional
nio
deals
from
businesses,
but
you
know
I
I
had
actually
had
a
call
today
with
with
some
some
folks
from
congress,
and
I
believe
that
more
chaos
has
to
occur
before
congress
steps
in.
G
I
don't
think
that
that's
something
that
will
happen
some
sort
of
federal,
uniform
bill
in
the
next
12
months,
and
I
think
the
states
can
help-
and
I
think
the
biggest
way
states
can
help
is
by
allowing
their
schools
to
be
more
involved.
Our
home
state,
where
we're
based
alabama
had
a
law.
It
limited
the
involvement
of
the
institution
that
law
has
been
repealed.
G
Other
states
have
eliminated
that
clause
and
I
think
it
will
help
the
schools
in
nevada
to
have
at
least
the
option
to
hire
some
nil
resources
on
campus.
A
A
On
zoom,
I'm
sorry
on
zone,
do
we
have
any
members
with
questions
on
zoom
and
I
must
acknowledge.
Mr
eric
has
also
joined
us.
He
knows
I
can't
pronounce
his
last
name,
so
he
gives
me
a
pass
on
that,
but,
mr
eric,
mr
eric
inn,
he's
here.
Okay,
so
any
questions
from
our
our
members
on
zoom
all
right,
mr
cavall
you're
getting
off
a
little
easy
here,
but
hang
out
tight.
We
might
have
a
question
that
pops
up
after
we
hear
from
mr
flores,
mr
flores,
you
can
go
ahead
with
your
presentation.
H
Thank
you,
chairman
miller,
joe
flores
senior
associate
for
compliance
services
here
at
the
university
of
nevada.
Do
we
have
the
powerpoint
that
was
provided?
Is
that
available?
H
H
H
So
for
purposes
of
brevity,
if
I'm
going
through
an
area
quickly,
it's
because
it's
been
it's
been
covered
pretty
closely
at
this
point,
but
effectively
where
we
are,
is
our
world
changed
in
in
july
1st
of
2021
with
the
interim
policy
that
the
ncaa
put
forth
the
challenge
from
a
compliance
standpoint
was
that,
up
until
that
point,
we
were
reassured
various
times
that
the
ncaa
was
going
to
take
on
this
responsibility
of
nio,
that
there
would
be
some
sort
of
center
for
all
deals
to
be
presented
and
submitted,
and
that
they
would
be
handling
this.
H
I
think,
with
austin
happening
with
o'bannon
happening.
I
think
there
was
some
cold
feet
in
terms
of
them
taking
on
that
responsibility,
knowing
where
this
could
potentially
go.
So
it
was
thrown
last
minute
at
the
feet
of
compliance
offices
throughout
the
country
to
try
to
monitor
this
piece
to
the
best
extent
possible,
so
we
were
in
a
tough
spot
as
well
as
we
were
watching
and
paying
attention,
because
it's
part
of
our
job
we
weren't
looking
at
it
from
the
lens
of
how
are
we
going
to
implement
this
process
on
our
campus?
H
We
were
also
told
in
april
that
hey
these
are
some
of
the
guidelines
that
you
guys
should
be
considering,
and
we
started
drafting
our
policies
and
procedures
based
off
of
those
guidelines,
one
of
which
was
athletic
staff
members
can't
be
involved
in
this
process.
We
don't
want
them
to
be
involved
in
terms
of
trying
to
broker
deals
for
our
student
athletes
and
then,
when
july
rolled
out,
we
got
basically
two
sentences
of
an
interim
policy
that
didn't
really
give
a
whole
lot
of
guidance
effectively.
H
Over
the
last
six
months,
and
as
it's
been
mentioned
earlier,
it's
been
an
area,
that's
been
abused
fairly
regularly,
but
that's
what
the
basic
idea
was
nil
was
supposed
to
be
for
all
students
and
based
on
what
your
market
value
was.
At
that
time,
you
might
have.
The
million
dollar
deals
for
the
trevor
lawrence's,
and
you
may
have
the
eight
dollar
cameo
appearances
for
your
your
men's
tennis
player.
It
was
supposed
to
meant
to
give
everybody
equal
access
to
opportunities
to
extend
their
ability
to
do
their
work.
H
Nevada's,
nil
policy,
specifically
in
this
space.
I'm
sorry
jumped
ahead
here.
Nevada,
nil
ab254,
as
you
guys
are
aware,
was
passed
last
year,
went
into
effect
january
of
this
year,
a
great
bill
to
the
extent
that
we
do
not
have
to
backtrack
on
anything.
That's
happened
in
this
space
over
the
last
nine
months.
What
you're,
seeing
nationally
is
you've
had
these
states,
who
are
very
proactive
in
this
area,
put
out
some
very
eloquent
bills
right.
H
So
it
made
some
disproportionate
playing
fields
for
a
lot
of
the
schools
in
the
space
and
as
a
result,
what
you're,
seeing
now
as
this
is
playing
out,
is
states
going
back
repealing
some
of
the
language
or
outright
stripping
the
nio
bill
in
general
to
try
to
put
their
schools
back
on
an
even
playing
field
with
the
schools
that
haven't
had
to
deal
with
these
types
of
restrictions.
Nevada
again
to
its
credit,
the
bill
is
nice
short
sweet.
It
gets
the
job
done.
H
So
it
comes
down
to
us
trying
to
figure
out
creative
ways,
whether
it's
holding
complimentary
tickets
for
games
or
whether
it's
working
with
coaches
to
withhold
from
practice.
Until
these
things
are
submitted,
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
on
campus
to
try
to
get
these
disclosures
submitted
when
there
isn't
anything
that
actually
requires
them
to
do
it
other
than
the
language
in
the
law.
That
says
you
should
do
this
so
outside
of
that,
the
bill
is
great.
H
H
The
other
takeaway
from
ab254
is
that
it
allows
us
as
institutions
to
implement
reasonable
restrictions
in
the
nil
arena.
Some
of
those
nio
restrictions
that
we've
implemented
in
our
own
policy
are
things
such
as,
like
we
said
student
athlete
or
athletic
department,
employee
members
are
not
allowed
to
broker
any
deals.
We
emphasize
that
all
nil
deals
have
to
actually
be
for
work
actually
performed
right.
You
can't
just
give
money,
and
it's
up
to
you
whether
you
want
to
actually
fulfill
the
terms
of
those
contracts.
H
We
have
a
process
for
student
athletes
who
want
to
utilize
our
facilities
to
do
an
nil
deal
to
use
any
marks
and
logos
logos
to
do
nil
deals
things
along
those
lines.
What
you'll
notice
on
this
list
is
that
we
do
not
have
a
core
values
list
in
terms
of
things
like
drug
paraphernalia
or
anything
along
those
lines
that
could
be
problematic
from
a
morals
clause.
Standpoint
we've
worked
with
our
general
counsel's
office.
We
didn't
feel
it
was
appropriate
to
limit
that
space.
H
Luckily,
we
haven't
had
anything
that
has
moved
the
needle
in
that
department
in
this
past
year,
not
to
say
that
it
won't
happen,
but
where
we're
coming
from
it
when
it
comes
to
those
situations,
is
trying
to
educate
the
student
athletes
that
this
is
your
brand.
This
is
something
that
we
want
you
to
be
aware
of
going
forward,
that
what
might
be
a
cool
funny
thing
right
now
to
be
associated
with,
may
not
be
when
you're
trying
to
get
drafted
in
your
respective
sport
in
a
few
years
or
anything
along
those
lines.
H
H
H
More
so
than
anything
else.
The
resources
being
asked
to
help
out
with
our
student
athletes
and
name
image
and
likeness
and
deals
and
things
along
those
lines.
There's
a
major
concern
within
our
university
that
us
working
with
student
athletes
to
enter
into
agreements
and
to
give
advice
on
agreements.
There's
a
liability
concern
that
if
a
student
athlete
for
whatever
reason,
doesn't
think
it's
a
great
deal
six
months
from
now
that
there's
a
concern
that
the
university
would
have
some
liability
in
helping
in
this
space
with
good
intentions.
H
But
ultimately,
you
know
having
some
legal
problems
down
the
road
in
this
area,
so
we
have
been
very
clear
with
our
student
athletes,
even
when
they
submit
their
disclosures
that
we're
not
telling
them
in
any
way
shape
or
form
that
this
is
a
good
deal,
that
this
is
something
that
we
recommend
all
we
are
confirming
and
we
call
it
an
acknowledgement
that
you
have
satisfied.
Every
requirement
required
by
the
ncaa
in
this
space
best
of
luck
to
you
going
forward
in
this
area.
H
Please
note
that
there
are
potential
international
issues
for
international
students,
tax
implications,
things
along
those
lines,
if
you
have
any
questions
from
an
educational
standpoint,
feel
free
to
come
to
your
compliance
office
and
we're
happy
to
talk
with
you,
but
we've
really
had
to
couch
this
as
an
educational,
focused
endeavor
on
our
on
our
on
our
behalf.
H
So
what
this
looks
like
from
an
educational
standpoint,
we
are
educating
our
student
athletes
various
times
throughout
the
year
on
what
the
rule
is
in
terms
of
the
interim
policy,
what
the
rule
is
in
terms
of
state
law
and
what
the
requirements
are
from
a
disclosure
standpoint
and
what
they're
seeing
nationally.
What
are
some
of
our
student
athletes
want
came
up
to
us
and
we're
asking
us
about.
You
know,
what's
going
on
with
the
receiver
at
pittsburgh
and
and
going
to
usc,
and
how
is
that
permissible
with
the
recruiting
inducement?
H
So
it
really
is
a
focus
on
education
and
national
trends,
and
things
like
that
that
are
happening
now
and
keeping
them
up
to
speed
with
where
things
sit.
What
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
doing
that,
we'd
like
to
roll
out
in
the
next
year.
This
fall
is
we're
putting
up
modules
that
are
team,
specific
right.
So
the
challenges
that
you
have
in
men's
basketball,
don't
look
the
same
as
the
challenges
that
you
have
in
men's
golf.
H
The
challenges
you
have
in
skiing
do
not
look
the
same
that
you
have
in
baseball,
so
we've
used
this
last
year
to
monitor
the
efforts
that
are
happening
nationally
to
try
to
make.
We
make
more
specific
team
oriented
nil
discussions
to
cut
out
things
that
aren't
applicable
to
a
certain
sport,
but
to
emphasize
other
areas
within
a
certain
sport
to
really
make
them
feel
that
we
are
seeing
their
respective
sport
and
trying
to
help
them
to
the
best
of
our
abilities
to
educate
them
in
that
particular
sport
and
how
nioh
interacts
with
them.
H
So
we're
excited
about
trying
to
get
that
off
the
ground
this.
This
fall
again,
that's
a
moving
target,
but
we're
really
trying
to
tailor
the
education
to
make
sure
that
our
student
athletes
are
in
the
best
possible
position
going
forward
as
they
try
to
navigate.
What's
a
pretty
hectic
and
chaotic
space
right
now
outside
of
our
student
athletes
and
those
efforts,
as
you
heard,
we
are
partnered
with
influencer.
H
Influencer
again
is
huge
in
the
extent
that
they
are
great
for
our
branding
efforts
for
our
student
athletes
to
hone
those
those
efforts
to
try
to
build
their
brand
from
a
social
media.
Standpoint
they're
also
fantastic
from
a
compliance
standpoint
in
terms
of
us
being
able
to
monitor
disclosures
if
they're
submitted.
It
shows
who
they're
partnering
with
how
much
they're
getting
what
work
is
being
performed.
H
So
that's
been
very
helpful
for
us
as
well
when
student
athletes
do
submit
those
and
then
also
working
on
an
exchange
where
they're
going
to
have
opportunities
with
people
in
the
community
nationwide
who
have
companies
on
a
platform
where
our
student
athletes
can
apply
for
opportunities
with
them
and
it
kind
of
puts
platform
companies
together
with
student
athletes.
So
they
can
try
to
enter
in
interact
and
enter
into
deals
that
way
so
again
trying
to
use
that
platform
to
help
our
student
athletes
in
this
space
is
something
that's
been
really
important
for
us.
H
Outside
of
our
student
athletes,
we've
made
a
concerted
effort
to
educate
our
coaching
staffs
and
our
athletic
department
staff
members
in
this
area.
Again
our
biggest
deal
in
this
space
is
our
staff.
Generally
knows
what
the
rules
are
in
this
area,
but
what's
important
for
us
is
that
they
understand
what
national
trends
are
happening
in
this
area.
What
are
collectives,
what
are
we
seeing
with
pay
for
play?
What
how
is
recruiting
inducements
being
abused,
so
our
efforts
in
this
space
is
getting
with
our
coaches
and
letting
them
know.
H
This
is
what
you're
seeing
this
is
how
they're
getting
around
it.
This
is
what
I
expect
from
an
ncaa
response
in
this
area
and
just
keeping
them
up
to
speed
in
that
space
and
again
re-emphasizing
that
student
athletes
cannot
go
through
coaches
to
broker
deals
in
this
area
and
we
have
to
keep
our
staff
separate.
Apart
from
that
process,
we
also
work
with
our
donors
in
this
space
to
make
sure
that
they're
educated
based
on
ncaa
rules,
university
policy
and
nevada
state
law.
Again,
we
have
been
telling
boosters
for
the
better
part
of
60
years.
H
H
So
just
doing
the
education
piece
in
this
area
has
been
really
important
in
trying
to
get
boosters
to
try
to
correct
some
assumptions
that
they've
made
in
this
area
that
no
longer
apply,
and
then
lastly,
collectives
collectives,
as
you
guys
have
heard
over
the
last
two
presentations,
are
now
the
hot
button
item
with
the
ncaa
collectives
are
basically
a
group
of
people
who
have
come
together
to
put
money
together
to
work
with
student
athletes
to
provide
money
to
student
athletes
for
very
minimal
services.
H
I
just
gave
you
guys
a
quick
breakdown
of
where
we
are
to
date
in
terms
of
the
number
of
nil
agreements.
Up
until
may
12th
we
had
109
submitted
again
that
is
submitted
deals.
I
can
guarantee
you
that
there
are
many
other
deals
that
have
been
implemented,
that
just
weren't
disclosed
and
that
we
weren't
able
to
find
out
about,
but
from
a
demographic
standpoint,
44
female
65
male
38
deals
of
109
involved
cash
71
were
gifts
in
kind
equipment.
Things
along
those
lines.
H
Just
give
you
an
idea
of
what
kind
of
deals
we're
seeing
on
campus
the
largest
cash
deal
we
received
this
past
year
was
35
000
and
the
other
smallest
deal
that
received
was
a
cameo
appearance
for
seven
dollars
and
fifty
cents,
so
they
come
all
across
the
table
in
terms
of
where
we
are
from
from
a
dollars
and
cent
standpoint
from
an
equipment
standpoint,
there's
not
a
general
consensus
on
what
type
of
deal
we're
getting,
but
if
we
are
breaking
down
the
types
of
deals,
the
types
that
we've
had
so
far
a
good
deal
of
them
are
social
media,
influencer
type
deals
where
a
company
will
reach
out
and
say:
hey.
H
You
have
a
huge
following.
We
would
like
to
pay.
You
x
amount
of
dollars
to
promote
a
certain
type
of
product
for
us
over
a
certain
period
of
time,
you're.
Seeing
a
lot
of
that
trading
card
deals,
memorabilias,
autographs,
personal
appearance
fees,
some
television
engagements.
Those
are
the
types
of
deals
that
you're
seeing
through
this
first
year
of
nio.
H
H
There
are
other
states,
such
as
illinois
that
have
been
put
at
a
significant
disadvantage:
ohio,
michigan
you're,
seeing
states
change
their
state
laws,
as
I
said,
because
of
these
disparating
policies
and
state
laws
that
either
require
a
ton
or
require
very
little.
So
that's
putting
some
schools
at
a
disadvantage
and
then
again
harping
back
to
the
collective
space
here.
Unchecked
collectives
generally
collectives
are
independent
entities
outside
of
collegiate
control
and
they
generally
need
to
be
that
way.
H
As
a
result,
institutions
have
little
control
over
what
they
actually
do.
I
can
ask
a
collective
when
we're
educating,
please
don't
disperse
money
until
work
is
actually
performed,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
the
collective's
call
on
whether
they
want
to
follow
that
recommendation
or
whether
they
want
to
do
their
own
thing.
H
It's
another
situation
where,
if
we
ask
them
to
confirm
that
work
is
being
performed
before
releasing
money,
we
can
make
that
request,
but
we
can't
mandate
that
request,
because
we
don't
have
a
control
over
a
third
party
like
that.
So
the
end
result
is
you
have
several
collectives
nationally
and
I'm
sure
you've
seen
the
highlights
on
the
news
that
are
running
unchecked,
doing
as
they
please
providing
funds
that
they
shouldn't
be
providing
doing
it
in
the
recruiting
space,
which
obviously
is
a
no-no
from
the
ncaa
standpoint.
H
It's
been
a
challenge
from
us.
We
feel
you
know.
We
know
that
we
have
to
work
with
collectives.
We've
had
a
good
start
with
the
collectives
that
we
are
talking
to
right
now
from
an
education
standpoint,
but
we
also
understand
that
that
relationship
is
only
as
good
as
today
and
it
could
look
very
different
tomorrow,
a
month
from
now,
two
months
from
now
a
year
from
now
so
understanding
that
going
forward.
This
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
in
trying
to
keep
that
relationship.
H
Those
relationships
in
a
good
spot,
national
trends
that
you're
seeing
just
a
couple
things
I
want
to
put
on
your
radar
a
couple
examples:
we
had
a
student-athlete
in
miami
who
threatened
to
go
on
the
transfer
portal
unless
his
collective
at
his
current
school
offered
him
more
money
again.
This
is
a
situation
where
you
are
seeing
student
athletes.
Leverage,
their
nio
and
the
transfer
portal
opportunities
to
get
more
money
or
threaten
to
leave
that
wasn't
the
intent
of
an
io
when
the
when
the,
when
the
idea
of
name,
image
and
likeness
was
implemented.
H
Well,
if
the
student
wasn't
on
the
transfer
portal,
nobody
outside
of
pittsburgh
should
have
been
able
to
talk
to
him
about
any
of
that
stuff.
So
it
just
indicated
that
there's
tampering
going
on-
and
everything
was
said
correctly.
This
kid
said:
hey,
I
don't
know
where
I'm
going
yet
I'm
wide
open,
but
two
weeks
later
you
find
out.
He
ended
up
going
to
usc
anyway,
right
so
tampering's
happening.
H
You
saw
this
really
early
on
at
byu,
where
they
said
that
they
would
pay
for
all
walk-ons
to
get
their
tuition
fees
covered
as
a
walk-on
provider
that
they
stayed
at
the
university
of
byu
and
continue
to
play
there.
So
again,
the
ncaa
is
going
to
have
to
address
some
of
these
issues
going
forward,
because
these
these
are
just
symptoms
of
a
policy
that
is
not
suited
to
deal
with
all
the
problems
that
are
popping
up,
left
and
right
in
this
area.
H
It
provides
clarity
that
collectives
effectively
are
going
to
be
treated
as
boosters,
so
boosters
have
never
been
able
to
talk
to
recruits
now
they're
saying
collectives,
because
they're
boosters
cannot
talk
to
recruits
really
to
try
to
get
at
the
recruiting.
Inducement
abuse-
that's
happening
right
now,
but
the
takeaway
from
this
update
from
the
ncaa
is
that
they
are
going
to
put
everybody
on
notice,
we're
clarifying
these
rules
going
forward.
H
You
are
now
on
notice
that
this
is
what
the
expectation
is,
because
the
ncaa
is
very
interested
in
making
an
example
of
somebody
right
now:
okay,
they
understand
that
they
look
relatively
silly,
allowing
all
the
stuff
to
happen
on
their
watch.
So
as
a
result,
I'm
telling
you,
within
the
next
six
months,
you're
going
to
see
a
school,
get
made
an
example
of
in
this
space.
So
from
our
standpoint
in
compliance
and
I'm
sure
eric
would
agree,
this
gives
us
heartburn.
H
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
buttoned
up
that
we're
doing
everything
right
that
we're
trying
to
do
things
the
right
way
here,
even
if
it
doesn't
make
us
popular
with
some
of
our
coaches,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
that
school.
That
gets
made
an
example
of,
but
it
is
coming
because
the
ncaa
wouldn't
have
sent
this
out
if
they
weren't
trying
to
clarify
some
things.
So
schools
couldn't
say
I
didn't
know
you
couldn't
do
this
future
of
nioh
again,
there's
no
going
back,
and
I
always
going
to
be
here
to
stay.
H
You
can't
put
it
back
in
the
bottle,
but
the
ncaa
has
been
clear
that
they're
not
going
to
lead
in
this
space
so
from
a
compliance
standpoint,
we're
going
to
have
to
thread
the
needle
between
protecting
our
institutional
interests,
while
also
allowing
our
coaching
staffs
to
be
competitive
in
this
space,
and
it's
a
it's
a
really
fine
line
to
walk.
But
that's
that's
our
challenge
going
forward.
So
that's
that's
all
I
have
in
mind.
A
A
I
only
have
to
check
in
with
you
caitlyn
saying
none
I'm
going
to
check
in
with
you
vice
chair
in
las
vegas.
Do
we
have
anyone
with
questions
there.
C
Thank
you,
chair,
dexter
irvin.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Mr
flores
are.
If
the,
if
there's
not
services
being
provided,
are
any
of
these
payments
considered
donations
and
if
they
are,
are
your
foundations
involved
in
those?
In
other
words,
as
you
know,
we
have
policies
that
deal
with
that
in
terms
of
donations
and
so
has
that
been
crossed
over.
H
No,
it
has
not
and
they're
not
considering
them
donations
they're
on
their
face
with
the
contract
with
the
disclosure.
It
is
a
work
performed
contract.
They
are
saying
they're
supposed
to
do
x,
y
and
z
for
payment,
whether
x,
y
and
z
is
actually
being
done.
Whether
there's
any
oversight
on
whether
xyz
is
being
done
is
the
question
right,
but
on
its
face
on
paper,
these
are
work
services
being
performed
in
order
to
receive
a
benefit.
H
These
aren't
considered
donations
and
in
that
space,
donations
from
a
booster
to
a
student
athlete
is
still
a
no-no
from
an
ncaa
standpoint.
That's
still
a
violation.
You
can't
give
an
extra
benefit
to
a
student-athlete,
so
it
has
to
be
dressed
up
as
work
performed
for
the
benefit
being
received.
If
that
answers
your
question.
H
No,
the
way
collectives
are
set
up.
You
can
hope
that
the
collective
is
doing
it
the
right
way.
You
can
hope
that
they
are
working
with
you
in
your
compliance
office
to
let
you
know
that
work's
being
done
and
that
they're
doing
steps
to
do
this.
I've
had
a
couple
of
conversations
in
this
space
asking
specifically
what
collectives
are
doing
to
monitor
this.
Are
they
taking
pictures
at
events?
H
C
And
then,
if
I
could
follow
up,
please
chair
kind
of
both
within
florence
influencer
as
well,
if,
if
the
student
athletes
are
making
the
money,
why
aren't
we
charging
the
student
athletes
a
fee?
Why?
Why
is
the
institution
being
charged
for
your
service
and
not
the
student
athlete.
A
And
I'm
going
to
jump
in
right
here
just
for
a
moment.
I
just
need
to
remind
everyone
to
please
say
your
name
for
the
record
when
you
speak.
Thank
you.
G
G
You
to
pronounce
your
name
first!
Thank
you.
Let's
start
with
my
name,
I'm
sorry
yep,
sorry
about
that.
My
my
fault,
jim
cavall
influencer.
We
built
technology
for
the
schools,
that's
our
client's,
always
been
our
client.
That's
who
we
contract
with,
and
the
schools
provide
that
technology
as
an
added
value
to
the
student
athlete
the
same
way.
They
provide
a
great
weight
room
for
them
to
you
know,
build
their
strength
or
any
other.
You
know
facilities
or
values.
They
provide
the
student
athletes.
That's
that's
how
it
works.
I
I
What
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you,
based
on
the
experience
that
you've
had,
are
there
any
guardrails
that
you've
seen
that
have
been
impactful
or
effective,
whether
or
not
they're
being
administered
or
recommended
by
states,
or
are
there
other
compliance
institutions
that
are
implementing
a
different
style
or
approach
to
nil
that
you've
seen
that
could
be
effective
in
terms
of
protecting?
Ultimately,
our
student
athletes.
H
It's
a
good
question
eric
in
terms
of
state
law.
I
haven't
done.
I
haven't
dubbed
into
that.
Yet
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you,
that's
just
that
hasn't
been
an
area
that
I've
had
sorry,
nay,
thank
you,
joe
flores
nevada,
so
state
law.
I
have
not
delved
into
that,
yet
speaking
with
colleagues
throughout
the
the
country
in
this
area,
what
you're
seeing
is
a
national
trend
where
you're
having
additional
hires
being
made
in
the
nil
space,
where
you
have
somebody
who's,
an
nil,
centric
position.
H
Getting
disclosures
submitted
reminding
students
of
their
obligations
in
this
space,
just
having
additional
staffing
from
an
athletics
department
standpoint
to
really
get
with
these
kids
and
not
necessarily
change
the
fact
that
we're
education
focused
at
this
point
but
to
remind
them
and
to
stay
with
them
and
to
be
constant
with
them
on
what
their
obligations
are
in
this
space
and
to
be
a
sounding
board
in
terms
of
deals
that
again
may
or
may
not
make
sense
for
them
going
forward.
So
again,
it's
still
a
an
education
focus
in
this
area.
I
Thanks
joe
eric
nepo
maseno
for
the
record
one
more
follow-up
question
for
influencer
jim
thanks
for
providing
us
a
snapshot
of
kind
of
your
service,
what
I'm
curious
about
is
is
the
landscape.
I
Obviously,
when
you
and
your
team
jumped
into
the
nil
landscape,
I'm
sure
you
thought
it
was
one
thing
we
all
thought
it
was
one
thing,
and
I
don't
even
know
if
we
all
know
what
it
actually
is
right
now,
but
I'd
be
interested
in
kind
of
two
points
of
perspective
from
you
in
terms
of
one:
how
up
to
date,
do
you
keep
with
state
law
and
state
legislation
in
terms
of?
Are
you
responding
and
reacting
to
that?
I
Because
you
are
dealing
with
student
athletes
in
particular
states
that
may
have
more
restrictive
laws
and
then
two
what's
around
the
corner
in
terms
of
trying
to
forecast,
what's
going
to
happen
next,
I
know
joe
mentioned
a
little
bit
about
maybe
creating
a
marketplace
and
and
kind
of
bringing
some
some
vendors
to
student
athletes.
What
else
do
you
see
could
be
around
the
corner
as
it
pertains
to
name
image
and
likeness.
G
This
is
jim
cavall
from
influencer
eric.
Thank
you
for
the
questions.
I
could
probably
talk
about
number
two
for
a
while
I'll
try
to
keep
it
brief.
As
far
as
number
one
goes,
I
think
for
us
to
stay
focused
as
a
business
on
the
school
as
our
main
con,
I
mean
that's
our
client,
that's
who
we
contract
with
that's,
who
pays
us
for
our
technology
and
so
for
us
to
build
tech
that
they
have
the
options
on
their
end,
to
turn
on
or
off
and
based
on
their
state
laws.
G
G
Some
schools
are
going
to
make
decisions
on
which
products
of
ours
to
buy,
like
that
localized
exchange
based
on
state
laws,
and-
and
we
understand
that
so
our
job
is
to
to
be
the
pipes
to
be
the
tech
and
then
to
let
the
schools
make
a
choice
on
what
tech
they
want
for
their
strategy
based
on
their
policy
and
then
with
that
provides
student
athletes
who's
really
who
we're
building
everything
for
right
to
help
them
run
their
nil
business
responsibly
from
there.
So
so
that's
the
first.
G
The
first
question,
the
second
question:
I
do
believe
that
every
school
needs
to
have
their
own
unified,
nil
system.
Where
all
turn
all
payments
take
place,
I
think
that's
vital.
You
know.
Student
athletes
and
young
people
in
general
have
adopted
apps
like
cash,
app
and
venmo
and
other
you
know
apps
like
that
paypal
to
be
their
bank
right.
That's
the
modern
way.
G
There's
a
lot
of
other
folks
out
there,
helping
with
payments
that
are
taking
10
20
30
of
a
payment
before
it
ends
up
in
the
state
and
athletes
pocket
just
to
process
a
payment,
and
we
are.
We
are
strongly
against
that
and
our
schools
are
strongly
against
that,
because,
yes,
it
is
the
recruiting
advantage
to
be
able
to
say
we've
got
a
system
you
can
use
to
manage
your
nil
business.
G
So
I
think
that
having
one
exchange
branded
for
your
school
that's
online
is
a
storefront
that
you
encourage
everyone
who
wants
to
work
with
your
student
ethics
to
go
to
and
register
for
before
they
communicate
with
your
student
athletes.
Contract
with
them
and
pay
them
is
important,
because
that
gives
the
school
a
little
bit
more
control
and
and
listen.
G
The
last
thing
I'll
say
about
where
this
is
going,
is
we're
not
even
a
year
in
to
this
and
like
any
new
market,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
data
that
starts
to
influence
and
impact
the
size
of
deals,
and
so,
if
you'll
just
stay
with
me
for
a
second
on
an
analogy.
Let's
just
look
at
real
estate
and
then
look
at
nil.
If
you
want
to
sell
your
house,
if
I
want
to
sell
my
house,
we
can
go
to
zillow
and
we
can
see
what
the
zillow
estimate
is
for
our
house.
G
That
does
not
cap
what
we
could
sell
our
house,
for.
We
can
both
sell
our
house
for
more,
might
have
a
buyer
that
really
needs
a
house
they're
moving
their
kids
are
going
to
school.
Whatever
reason
it
is,
you
can
sell
it
for
more
right,
but
there's
an
estimate
that
we
work
off
of
to
create
a
listing
for
what
we
think
we
can
sell
our
house
for
student
athletes.
G
Coaches,
collectives
agencies
brands
have
to
start
to
understand
what
a
student
athlete's
value
is
it's
going
to
take
time,
it's
not
just
how
many
followers
they
have
on
social
media
and
how
often
they
post
that
plays
into
it.
But
it's
also
what
star
recruit
were
they?
Where
are
they
from
it's?
What
have
the
stats
been
of
them
on
the
court
or
field
since
they
played
at
that
school?
How
good
of
an
athlete
it's?
What
nl
deals?
Have
they
done
right?
We
have
real
estate
comps
on
our
street
that
determine
what
our
house
is
worth.
G
What
are
the
cops
of
athletes
that
play
your
sport
in
your
conference
after
school?
All
these
things,
I
think,
are
going
to
start
to
create
a
rating
system,
evaluation
that
isn't
capping
the
student
athlete
or
giving
them
a
ceiling,
but
is
a
start
to
a
conversation
with
anyone
who
wants
to
work
with
them
so
that,
like
michael
talked
about
earlier,
these
payments,
just
don't
keep
getting
bigger
and
bigger,
and
more
and
more
out
of
control.
G
Where
everybody's
trying
to
outdo
everybody,
I
think
the
market's
gonna
settle
down
and
you're
gonna
see
a
good
way
to
evaluate
student
athletes
for
their
nil,
and
I,
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
your
your
performance.
Athletic
performance
plays
into
that.
It's
not
just
how
good
you
are
on
social
media.
I
said
that
earlier
I
was
saying
again
because
that's
not
pay
for
play,
that's
just
the
reality.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We
have
another
question
from
miss
norris
here
in
carson
city.
Go
ahead,
ms
norris.
B
Caitlyn
norris
for
the
record.
I
had
a
question
for
mr
flores
so
as
you're
expanding
on
the
time
commitments
that
are
provided
with
the
education
of
students
in
nil,
I
was
wondering,
if
you've
seen
any
issues
in
maintaining
like
academic
eligibility
in
athletes
as
they
are
now
having
to
keep
up
with
all
these
extra
educational
responsibilities
in
following
modules
and
having
to
go
to
weekly
meetings
and
monthly
meetings
on
keeping
up
with
nil
and
all
of
the
new
and
developing
regulations.
For
them.
Sorry,.
H
Joe
flores
university
of
nevada,
it's
it's
it's
a
fair
point.
It
really
is,
you
know,
there's
a
finite
number
of
hours
in
a
day
for
a
student
athlete
to
to
do
what
they
do.
I
do
believe
that
for
the
student
athletes
who
want
to
be
in
the
space
who
want
to
interact
in
nio
that
they
prioritize
this
type
of
education,
they
want
to
know
this
type
of
stuff.
So
I
I
do
believe
it
wouldn't
be
a
mandatory
deal
in
any
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
H
It'd,
be
something
where
if
a
student
athlete
wants
to
be
in
the
space
and
has
the
ability
to
to
make
the
the
commitment
to
be
in
this
area,
then
we
absolutely
want
to
be
able
to
do
that.
We
can't
mandate
it
and
it's
not
something.
We
should
mandate
in
this
area
you're,
either
whether
it's
academics,
whether
it's
their
they're
in
season
and
they
have
their
competition
travel
requirements
in
addition
to
anything
else
that
they
might
have
from
a
private
life.
H
Standpoint
like
this
has
to
be
something
that
we
have
to
make
available,
though,
because
I
don't
feel
that
we're
doing
justice
to
them
that
we're
doing
the
best
that
we
can
for
our
student
athletes
if
this
isn't
made
available
now
whether
they
utilize
that
resource
or
not
that's,
that's,
that's
going
to
ultimately
end
up
being
their
decision.
They're
going
to
have
to
make
the
cost-benefit
analysis
of
whether
giving
up
a
friday,
night
or
thursday,
night
or
tuesday
night
to
come
and
go
to
the
module
is
worth
not
going
out
that
evening.
H
That's
that's
entirely
up
to
the
student,
but
we're
not
doing
the
best
we
can,
if
we're
not
providing
those
avenues
for
them.
We
don't
want
a
situation
where
a
student-athlete
enters
into
a
bad
deal
and
it's
the
result
of
not
being
educated
in
this
space
if
they
enter
into
a
bad
deal
and
they've
had
opportunities
to
do
this
and
they
chose
not
to
well
that's
being
an
adult
right.
That's
that's
life.
H
A
All
right,
thank
you
again
any
questions.
I
think
we
are
probably
clear
with
questions
for
the
most
part.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
for,
for
both
of
you,
gentlemen.
I
will
start
with
mr
cavall.
A
Have
you
seen
you
working
with
a
lot
of
different
entities
and
schools
and
students?
Have
you
yet
to
see
a
deal
where
the
student
status
changed,
either
as
an
athlete
or
they
transferred
schools
and
they
had
an
outstanding
nil
contract,
and
if
you
have
seen
that
happen,
how
has
that
interrupted
or
changed
the
status
of
the
contract?
G
I
don't
have
a
case
where
they
have
not
fulfilled
what
was
in
their
agreement
before
they
transferred
to
another
school.
The
only
close
example
I
have
is
there
was
a
high
profile
power.
Five
quarterback,
who
signed
a
very
high
profile,
deal
with
a
used
car
dealership
in
his
school's
hometown,
and
he
lost
his
job
to
a
backup
quarterback
in
the
big
rivalry
game.
G
I'm
giving
you
all
the
clues
without
saying
the
names
in
schools
and
and
he
ended
up
transferring
to
another
school
in
another
conference,
and
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
the
car
dealership
came
out
and
said
they.
So,
even
though
this
this
gentleman
didn't
play
as
well
as
probably
thought
and
and
was
predicted,
the
car
dealership
owner
came
out
and
said
we
got
all
the
value
we
were
promised
from
the
student
athlete
and
we
wish
him
the
best
in
whatever
he
does
next
and
the
reason
I
use.
G
That
example
is
if
student
athletes
are
going
to
fulfill
a
certain
amount
of
posts
or
appearances
to
your
point.
They
have
to
do
it
before
before
they
leave,
but
at
the
same
time,
businesses
are
taking
a
risk
too.
Student
athletes,
if
the
businesses
are
just
doing
it
because
they're
supposed
to
start
and
play,
you
know
maximum
minutes
or
whatever,
like
that,
that's
not
guaranteed,
and
so
businesses
shouldn't
just
be
doing
deals.
G
For
that
reason,
and
in
this
case
this
person
had
a
lot
of
followers
on
social
media,
the
business
owner
felt
like
he
still
got
the
value
out
of
the
partnership,
even
though
the
student
athlete
lost
his
job
at
quarterback.
So
I
don't
have
any
real
examples
that
correlate
exactly,
but
that
one
at
least
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
we've
seen
with
some
of
the
transfer
stuff.
A
A
What
that
would
look
like-
and
I
do
I
need
to
acknowledge
for
the
record
that
that
was
mr
cavall,
who
was
just
speaking
and-
and
you
know
guys
it's
my
apologies.
I
have
not
been
stern
on
that
this
particular
meeting.
I
didn't
emphasize
it
enough
in
the
beginning,
but
mr
flores,
I
think
you
have
something
you
want
to
add.
So
please
start
with
your
name.
H
Thank
you,
joe
flores
university
of
nevada,
chairman
miller.
What
you're
seeing
here
that's
been
the
boogeyman
story
right
with
our
boosters,
who
have
had
conversations
about
that
very
thing.
What
you're
seeing
is
smaller
contracts
being
executed?
Monthly
contracts,
weekly
contracts
three
month
contracts
in
that
space,
so
it
it
it'll
offset
the
risk
that's
involved
in
entering
those
types
of
long-term
deals,
particularly
in
the
transfer
portal
space
right
now.
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
so
then
to
follow
that
up.
A
A
How
much
information
we
should
be
requiring
if
requiring
these
disclosures,
considering
these
athletes
don't
have
to
provide
any
information
if
they
do
other
work
or
have
other
businesses,
you
know,
say:
they're
a
real
estate
agent
on
the
side
and
they
close
a
deal
for
and
they
get
350
000
on.
The
closing
school
has
no
idea
that
it
has
ever
happened
so,
like
I
said,
I
appreciate
the
data
greatly,
but
I'm
curious
to
know.
Why
would
we
need
from
obviously
from
the
school's
perspective
as
much
information
from
student
athletes?
H
Joe
flores
university
of
nevada,
I
agree
with
you.
If
we
had
our
druthers
on
this
matter,
we
wouldn't
require
any
disclosures
at
all.
It's
a
state
law
requirement
so
we're
following
through
on
it.
I
think
we
were
all
kind
of
kind
of
going
in
the
dark
when
this
thing
first
came
through
in
the
first
place
and
as
we've
had
some
time
to
see
how
this
plays
out.
I
personally
don't
like
the
idea
of
us
having
to
track
down
students
when
we
see
something
posted
on
social
media
that
they're
doing
business
with
the
company.
H
I
don't
want
to
know
generally
what
kind
of
businesses
they're
doing.
I
don't
want
to
know
the
dollar
amount,
but
it's
a
requirement
right
now.
So
if
this
is
something
that
we
could
re-evaluate
going
forward
in
terms
of
removing
that
requirement,
you
would
have
support
from
our
university
in
that
space
and
talking
with
our
general
counsel's
office,
we
did
have
some
pretty
strong
conversations
about
what
information
we
wanted
to
collect.
Does
it
make
sense
to
collect
this?
We
have
a
pretty
stripped
down
version
of
a
disclosure
form,
that's
a
one-page.
H
What
is
the
work
performed
just
to
make
sure
that
there's
actually
services
being
rendered?
We
are
do
have
a
dollar
amount
right
now,
which
we're
likely
going
to
remove,
to
be
perfectly
honest,
with
this
fall
going
in
that
direction
of
trying
to
learn
less
but
going
forward.
If
there
was
an
effort
made
to
remove
the
disclosure
requirement
from
ab254,
I
would
I
would.
I
would
support
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
then
I
just
one
more
question
on
your
core
values.
You
said
you
guys:
don't
have
really
any
core
values
or
limits
to
so
when
it
comes
to
a
student
athlete
using.
A
You
know,
school
paraphernalia
and
things
like
that.
Is
there
an
approval
process
for
that
and
then,
if
you
don't
have
a
core
value,
how
are
you
determining
you
know
whether
or
not
they
should
or
shouldn't
be
doing
that
and
I
realize
it
hasn't
come
across
yet,
but
I'm
sure
there
has
to
be
some
thought
on
how
you
all
will
address
it.
Yeah.
H
So
in
joe
flores
university
of
nevada
and
talking
with
our
general
counsel's
office,
there
was
concern
about
the
enforceability
of
certain
types
of
businesses
and
our
student
athletes
entering
into
those
agreements.
We
relied
on
our
general
counsel's
office
advice
in
that
space
to
keep
our
hands
off
of
that
area.
H
I
think
the
idea
being
at
the
time
was
that
we
didn't
expect
this
to
necessarily
be
an
issue
for
us
going
forward,
and
if
it
was,
the
education
piece
would
be
how
we
would
try
to
approach
it
initially,
while
reserving
the
right
that,
if
we
needed
to
amend
our
policy
to
implement
core
values
in
that
area,
that
we
would
do
so.
H
But
again
I
I
don't
want
to
punt
the
question
I
we
just
relied
on
our
general
counsel's
office's
advice
in
that
space
and
in
their
opinion,
it
did
not
make
sense
from
a
liability
standpoint
to
implement
those
types
of
restrictions
on
our
student
athletes.
A
Great
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
questions
and
for
the
presentations
and
being
available
to
us
this
afternoon,
gentlemen.
We
are
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item.
Actually,
we
are
going
to
take
a
five
short
tight,
five
minute
break
and
I
mean
a
short
tight
five
minute
break.
A
We
will
start
right
at
2
59,
I'm
gonna
make
it
three
o'clock
we'll
start
sharply
at
three
o'clock
to
continue
the
rest
of
the
today's
meeting,
we'll
have
a
few
more
presentation
speakers
and
then
we
will
wrap
up
so
that
part
should
be
short,
but
we're
going
to
take
a
short
short
break
right
now.
Thank
you.
So
we
are
in
recess.
A
All
right,
as
promised,
we're
starting
sharply
at
3
p.m,
a
tight
break.
So
we
are
moving
forward
with
agenda
item
6,
which
is
a
presentation
on
nil
use.
From
the
perspective
of
coaches
and
student
athletes
in
nevada,
we've
got
several
presenters
presenting
the
coaching
athlete
perspectives
on
nil
across
nevada.
I
will
take
questions
or
comments
at
the
end
of
all
of
the
presentations,
so
we'll
let
everyone
speak,
and
then
we
will
do
our
questions
from
the
committee
as
such.
I
would
like
our
presenters
for
this
item
to.
A
Please
remain
on
zoom
or
in
the
zoom
meeting
until
the
conclusion
of
this
item.
I
want
to
remind
everyone
again
to
please
use
your
name
start
with
your
name
before
you
speak,
even
when
we
get
to
the
questions
part,
and
I
will
reiterate
that
at
that
time
first
we
will
hear
from
yvonne
wade
a
former
college
athlete
and
coach
and
current
assistant
athletic
director
of
internal
operations
at
and
compliance
at
csn
miss
wade.
You
can
start
whenever
you're
ready.
Thank
you.
F
All
right
found
the
button
yvonne
road
for
the
record
first.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
I
wanted
to
start
with
a
little
background
of
my
athletic
career.
I
started
as
a
division.
One
track
and
field
athlete.
Many
many
years
ago
at
the
university
of
colorado,
a
student
athlete
just
reminded
me.
It
was
in
the
late
1900s.
F
Then
I
transitioned
into
a
post-collegiate
competition
as
an
elite
track
and
field
athlete
for
several
years
and
then
got
my
first
opportunity
to
coach
division,
one
athletics
and
have
been
coaching
or
had
coached
for
20
years
at
the
division,
one
level
recently
retired,
from
coaching
and
currently
at
the
college
of
southern
nevada
as
an
athletic
administrator,
I'm
working
with
the
great
dexter
irvine.
Of
course.
F
I
remember
being
a
student
athlete
myself
and
even
though
I
was
in
a
full
ride,
scholarship
struggled
at
times
to
make
ends
meet,
so
I
think
this
platform
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
to
make
some
money
and
do
good
for
them
themselves
and
their
family.
The
vast
majority
need
that
extra
money
and,
even
though
you
know,
there's
a
few
big
programs
out
there
that
provide
lots
of
money.
Like
the
previous
gentleman
said.
F
And
so
you
know
it
comes
to
a
point
where
it's
similar
to
when
boosters
were
helping
programs
privately,
you
know,
fund
their
programs
and
out
bidding
each
other
for
the
best
athletes
and
recruits,
and
it
makes
the
playing
field
a
little
bit
uneven.
For
you
know,
for
some
of
us,
I
spent
the
entirety
of
my
collegiate
career
as
at
mid
major
programs.
F
Five
schools
who
can
kind
of
throw
out
all
these
you
know,
perks
for
student
athletes,
makes
it
hard
for
the
little
people
to
survive.
You
know
you
know,
learning
you
know
kind
of
the
system
in
the
community
college
level.
Fundraising
is
a
big
part
of
that
you
know,
and
if
we're
competing
for
those
donors
to
survive
as
a
department
based
on
them,
giving
money
to
student
athletes,
it's
going
to
make
the
little
people
kind
of
invisible
and
maybe
non-existent
eventually,
so
that
makes
it
really
difficult
on
the
previous.
Not
this.
F
Last
meeting
the
meeting
before
which
I
attended,
I
overheard
one
of
the
gentlemen
speakers
talking
about
making
the
comparison
about
a
music
student
to
a
student
athlete
and
if
we
don't
monitor
the
music
students
income,
why
should
we
monitor
student
athletes?
And
I
think
the
gentleman
before
me
made
the
same
comment.
I
don't
necessarily
think
I
agree
with
that.
F
Athletics
college.
Athletics
is
a
different
beast.
You
know
donors,
businesses
are
convincing
student
athletes
to
come
to
universities
based
on
a
promise
that
they're
giving
and
they're
not
making
them
live
up
to
their
work
requirements,
and
that's
becoming
more
and
more
evident.
You
know,
so
I
do
think
we
have
some
obligation
to
regulate
and
and
monitor
those
things
from
a
compliance
level
from
an
institutional
level.
F
Does
it
make
it
hard
for
compliance
officers?
Yes,
absolutely
I'm
putting
more
work
on
the
table
for
us,
but,
like
I
said,
athletics
is
a
different
beast.
It's
it's
getting
more
and
more
competitive,
it's
getting
more
and
more
harder
for
the
the
mid
majors
and
the
junior
colleges
and
the
small
programs
to
to
live
and
to
exist.
You
know
competing
with
these
power.
F
Five
schools,
and
so
I
do
believe,
that
monitoring
a
greater
level
of
monitoring
regulation
reform
support,
as
some
of
the
other
speakers
have
provided
spoke
about
earlier,
is
really
important
for
us
to
even
kind
of
even
the
playing
field,
so
to
speak
so
that
it
doesn't
completely
flip
upside
down.
I
don't
have
I'm
kind
of
speeding
through
all
this
discussion
today,
but
I,
like,
I
said
nil,
is
very
a
good
thing.
F
I
think,
but,
as
you
guys
decide
to
make
rules
and
regulations
and
decide
what
you're
going
to
do
with
this,
I
think
it
is
really
important
for
us
to
really
really
monitor
what's
going
on
with
these
collectives
and
these
boosters,
because
that's
essentially
what
they
are,
so
that
our
student
athletes
have
a
true
experience.
F
You
know:
that's
not
just
money
based
student
athletes
have
the
right
to
go
to
school,
to
just
to
to
be
a
part
of
a
program
with
a
coach
that
cares
about
them
with
the
education
that
that
that's
going
to
be
important
to
them
and
not
worry
about
the
dollar
amount.
You
know
make
that
the
priority
I
guess
of
deciding
where
to
go
to
school.
F
I
hope,
when
my
kids
get
old
enough
to
make
that
decision,
that
that's
not
going
to
be
their
first.
You
know
decision
making
reason
to
go
to
a
university
or
college,
and
you
know
it's
sad
to
me
how
things
are
going.
I
know
that's
the
evolving
and
changing
way
of
college
athletics,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
you
know
as
a
state
make
the
playing
field
level
to
a
point
where
you
know
we
might
not
need
to
regulate
and
have
all
the
the
little
little
details
that
we
need
to
follow.
F
But
some
is
is
definitely
important.
We
need
to
stay
competitive,
but
we
also
need
to
regulate
and
and
support
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
state
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
A
A
J
Is
that
on
there
correctly
got
it
perfect,
marcus
arroyo,
unlv
head
football
coach,
I'm
gonna
share
a
similar
sentiment
in
regards
to
just
a
background,
real
quick
and
then
really
kind
of
the.
I
think
the
the
overall
experience
as
a
coach
in
this
in
this
landscape
is
probably
the
thing
that's
most
beneficial.
J
I
don't
pretend
to
know
the
minutia
behind
the
scenes,
but
I
think
it
is
imperative,
and
I
think
that
candidly
this
has
probably
been
one
of
the
best
things
I've
been
a
part
of
and
what
we're
dealing
with
right.
Now,
because
I
haven't
had
we
we
as
coaches,
we
don't
have
this
opportunity
to
sit
behind
behind
the
shades
and
to
be
able
to
navigate
it.
Let
alone
have
a
conversation
about
it
before
it
gets
put
in
front
of
us
often.
J
So
I'm
thankful
for
these
opportunities
to
to
do
this
and-
and
I
think,
a
big
shout
out
to
eric
nebecono
at
unob
because
he's
been
forward
thinking
and
progressive
and
providing
these
information
to
us
as
coaches
and
staffs
and
and
our
landscape,
and
I'm
really
appreciative
of
that.
So
a
quick
background,
and
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
how
I've
transcended
through
and
have
a
view
and
advantage
of
college
athletics.
I
did
play
college
athletics.
I
was
a
four-year
quarterback
at
san
jose
state
university.
J
In
this
conference
on
the
west
coast
in
california,
I
transitioned
out
of
playing
my
plane
experience
directly
into
coaching
as
a
graduate
assistant
and
since
2002.
That's
what
I've
been
doing
so
20
years
of
in
this
industry
as
a
coach
as
a
ga
as
a
coordinator
as
an
assistant
head
coach
from
hbcu
all
the
way
through
to
g5
to
power.
Five
I've
been
in
the
nfl
also
and
I've
seen
nfl
drafts.
J
I've
seen
many
layers
that
that
our
sport
has
at
every
level
and
I've
done
that
from
coast
to
coast,
from
california
to
mississippi,
to
oklahoma,
to
texas,
to
wyoming,
to
nevada
to
florida,
and
the
list
goes
on,
and
so
I
try
to
use
as
much
as
that
environmental
experience
as
I
can
to
kind
of
make
the
best
judgments
and
and
views
of
what
goes
on
in
our
world
as
I
can,
especially
with
our
student
athletes.
J
But
it
also
has
a
direct
impact
on
our
families
and
and
the
cities
we
live
in
and
the
places
we
do
so
that
that's
kind
of
I
think
what
I've
tried
to
to
illuminate
a
little
bit
more
as
I've
gotten
into
this
really
second
year
of
head
coaching,
and
I
think
that
that
piece
is
a
lot
to
swallow.
A
little
on
the
fact
that
I
don't
pretend
to
know
how
how
these
things
are
made,
let
alone
how
did
I
spend
20
years
studying
that
space?
J
So
you
know,
there's
there's
a
few
things
that
I
wrote
down
and
I've
spoke
with
as
many
people
as
I
could
in
regards
to
what
they
think
we
think
of
in
quotes,
what
we
think
of
nil
as
a
coaching
staff
and
as
a
coaching
profession.
I
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
I
think
there's
a
few
things
that
stick
out.
J
The
first
off
is
the
reality
of
the
profile
of
what
nil
does
to
a
university,
and
I
think
that
that's
what
has
been
talked
about
with
everyone,
who's
really
done
a
fantastic
job
of
help.
Helping
me
learn
a
bit
more,
but
the
profile
university
is
directly
affected
by
this
right
now,
as
a
college,
as
a
college
coach,
all
our
recruits,
all
our
parents,
all
the
conferences.
J
All
the
conversations
around
where
this
will
put
your
school
is
is
an
effective
conversation
and
is
a
real
conversation.
Are
you
there
with
the
big
boys?
Are
you
a
minor
league,
major
league
player,
and
I
use
those
terms
loosely
just
to
kind
of
define
you
know
are:
are
you
guys
in
an
aisle
space?
You
know
how
what
is
this?
J
What
is
that
and-
and
we
don't
have
those
answers,
but
it
is
something
that
I
think,
as
I
think
through
how
it
can
be
advantageous
and
in
recruiting
and
developing
and
being
able
to
have
the
resources
to
compete
with
whoever
that
is.
We
believe
that
may
be
nil
is
a
player
in
that
in
that
type
of
definition
and
profiling,
your
school,
whether
it
be
a
conference
or
whether
it
be
your
school,
whether
it
be
again
one
versus
one
or
one
versus
many,
and
so
that's
the
probably.
J
The
first
thing
I
wrote
down
the
second
piece
would
be:
I
wrote
down
community
and
kind
of
connectivity
to
our
school,
our
community,
our
city,
our
sponsors
charities.
I
mean,
I
think,
being
able
to
have
some
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
and
across
the
country
connect
our
players
with
certain
people
in
our
community
in
certain
landscapes,
certain
charities,
certain
sponsorships
communication.
J
I
think
there
are
definitely
some
guard
rails
missing
that
I
think
we
can
put
our
arms
around,
but
I
think
there's
a
huge
piece
that
that
I
think
can
be
really
positive
to
that.
I
think
that
our
players
and
and
people
are
able
to
have
conversations
with
people
that
we
actually
when
we
recruit
them,
promise
them
that
those
are
available
to
them.
J
J
You
know
that
those
are
those
are
protected
in
many
in
in
a
lot
of
ways,
since
I
was
a
player
moving
forward
now
and
how
we
could
actually
get
those
experiences
in
those
relationships
built
because
they're
so
guarded
and
for
the
right
reasons,
but
I
think
that
the
nil
provides
now
and
I'm
I.
J
I
do
think
that
there's
a
piece
to
it
that
can
be
advantageous
to
our
guys
meeting
certain
business
people
or
providing
themselves
and
certain
charities
or
sponsorships
that
illuminate
our
city,
our
state,
our
town,
our
whatever
your
school
and
your
brand,
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
positive
if
you
can
put
the
guard
rails.
That
can
obviously
protect
us
from
all
the
educational
pieces
that
so
many
people
before
me
have
talked
about,
which
I
do
believe
are
are
are
tough
team
building
is
probably
the
third
piece
after
I
wrote
down.
J
You
know,
profile
connectivity.
I
wrote
down
team
building,
that's
one
of
the
things
as
a
coach,
and
this
is
the
experience
that
many
of
us
have
you're,
always
providing
you're,
always
trying
to
find
avenues
where
you
can
get
your
guys
together.
Now,
there's
there's
it's
inherent
that
the
time
is
hard
for
that,
but
there's
also
resources
that
that
that
reduce
those
options
for
us
to
be
able
to
put
players
together.
J
One
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
across
the
country
that
I
think
is
another
reason
is,
is
I
think
that
the
ni
up
packages
are
deals
that
you've
seen
where
they've
allowed
the
quarterback
to
take
out
the
entire
o-line
and
a
certain
individual?
Isn't
the
only
person
to
take
advantage
of
this
package
where
it
can
be?
J
That's
not
so
task,
oriented
and,
and
the
nature
of
our
world
is
so
task
oriented,
because
the
time
to
have
opportunities
where
that
collective
is
or
that
grouping
or
that
nil
deal
allows
them
to
do
it.
I
think
there
is
a
piece
of
that
that
I
thought
would
is
also
really
a
cool
setup
that
that
deal
associates
multiple
players
and
not
just
one.
I
think
there
there
could
be
something
I
think,
there's
definitely
something
to
that
haven't
been
in
a
locker
room
and
been
around
a
team.
J
The
recruiting
piece
goes
without
saying:
that'd
be
the
fourth
piece
the
recruiting
element
to
it
is
is
the
is
the
lifeblood
of
our
program,
academically,
socially
and
athletically.
I
think
that
that's
inherent
in
what
we
do
is
recruiting
the
right
people
and
pro
that
we
want
in
our
program
the
character
and
whatever
it
may
be,
that
you
have
on
your
core
values
at
each
university.
J
The
recruitment
of
those
student
athletes
is
now
directly
affected,
and
I
think
that
the
ability
for
nil
and
anything
we
can
be
able
to
to
talk
about
helps
us
with
that
recruitment.
It
can
also
hurt
you
in
regards
to
the
other
people
that
goes
without
saying.
We've
kind
of
we've
hit
that
one.
J
You
know
over
the
head
a
bunch
today
and
then
the
last
piece
I
wrote
down
is
now
a
fact
of
the
world.
We
live
in
and
that's
retention,
and
that
is
new
that
that
piece
of
it
is
new
to
the
20
years.
I've
been
a
part
of
it
and
the
20
years.
I've
been
part
of
college
football
right
now,
and
pro
football
recruiting
is
at
the
forefront
of
everything
we
think
about
every
day
is
to
get
the
right.
J
Roster,
the
right
people,
the
right,
locker
room,
lineup
and
keeping
those
people
now
is
become
the
retention
of
that
locker
room
and
that
roster
is
now
has
been
at
jeopardy.
Since
this
comes
up,
I
can't
speak
on
exactly
you
know
any
digital
cases,
but
I
know
that's
part
of
it.
J
We've
kind
of
hit
that
already
today,
but
that
is
probably
the
five
things
that
I
felt
like
coming
in
here
and
speaking
as
candidly
and
authentically
about
just
an
experience
as
a
coach
that
I'm
seeing
this
landscape
be
affected
by
that
those
are
the
things
that
I
think
are
where
I'm
seeing
as
a
coach,
the
most
effect,
and
I
think
that
they
can
be,
if
done
the
right
way
and
and
then
the
challenges
can
be,
can
be
met
right
on.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
arroyo.
We
appreciate
that
hang
out
a
bit.
We
will
see
if
we
have
some
questions
for
you.
Next,
we
are
going
to
hear
from
julian
nixon
a
student
athlete
at
unlv
in
women's
track
and
field.
Miss
julia
is
on
joining
us
by
zoom,
so
miss
nixon.
Please
go
ahead
whenever
you're
ready.
B
Julia
nixon
for
the
record.
I
am
a
track
and
field
athlete
at
unlv.
I
am
going
into
my
third
year.
I
am
an
economics
and
real
estate
major
and
I
also
plan
on
going
to
law
school.
So
that's
just
a
bit
about
me.
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
of
my
experience
in
the
nil
space
as
a
student
athlete.
B
So
when
it
came
out
in
july
that
was
happening.
We
kind
of
got
an
overview
of
the
most
obvious
rules.
We're
obviously
noticed
too,
but
no
pay
for
play
has
to
represent
the
values
of
the
university
things
like
that.
We
as
a
university
use
no
cap
as
our
third
party
to
disclose
our
deals.
So
when
we
agree
to
work
with
the
company
we
go
into
the
no
cap
website,
we
enter
what
our
contract
is,
what
we
are
providing
for
the
company
and
anything
we're
getting
in
return
for
that.
B
But
in
regards
to
like
team
issue
gear,
we're
a
nike
school
at
unlv,
so
any
gear
we
wear
during
competition
still
has
to
be
nike,
regardless
of
any
deals
you
sign
in
my
experience.
Typically,
student
athletes
reach
out
to
companies
or
the
companies
have
initiatives
for
student
athletes.
I
know
a
popular
one
among
athletes
at
unlv
is
liquid
iv.
They
have
an
initiative
for
student
athletes,
so
you
basically
go
into
their
website.
B
You
enter
your
information,
they
review
kind
of
your
social
media
profiles
and
they
get
back
to
you
on
whether
or
not
they
want
to
work
with
you.
Companies
typically
offer
product
money
discounts
things
like
that.
In
my
experience,
product
is
the
most
common
among
people.
I've
talked
to
on
my
team.
As
student
athletes.
We
try
to
pursue
deals
that
we're
interested
in
promoting
or
align
with
our
goals
or
values.
B
Some
of
the
benefits
I've
seen
from
it
is
we
get
access
to
products
that
maybe
we
wouldn't
buy
because
they're
out
of
our
budget,
or
things
like
that.
So
it's
been
helpful
to
have
things
like
liquid
iv
that
are
a
little
more
expensive
than
other
things
we
would
typically
buy,
but
it's
really
helpful
and
I
know
working
with
them.
I
just
got
sent
a
larger
package
that
I
get
to
share
with
my
team.
So
not
only
does
it
benefit
me,
but
it
also
benefits
my
teammates
as
well.
B
Like
I
said
earlier,
most
deals
are
done
through
social
media.
I
would
say:
instagram
and
tick.
Tock
are
probably
the
two
most
popular
platforms
that
people
promote
things
on.
B
I
think
it
has
also
been
a
good
resume
booster
as
most
of
us
as
student
athletes,
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
work
part-time
full-time
just
due
to
the
amount
of
hours
we're
putting
into
our
sport
and
class
and
homework.
So
it's
been
a
good
resume
booster.
For
me
personally,
I
know
I
am
in
the
application
process
for
a
job
in
social
media
for
a
fairly
big
company
and
being
able
to
say
that
I've
worked
or
had
experience
in
making
nil
deals
and
looking
over
contracts
myself.
That
has
really
boosted
my
resume.
B
So
I'm
getting
experience
that
I
probably
wouldn't
get
if
I
didn't
have
nal
just
due
to
the
fact
that
it's
harder
to
work
with
sports,
some
takeaways
I've
had
the
contracts
we
have
to
look
through.
They
aren't
extremely
complicated,
but
it's
been
nice
to
have
exposure
that
space.
Just
because
I
want
to
go
to
law
school,
and
so
it's
been
nice
to
kind
of
get
a
preview
of
what
looking
over
contracts
is
like,
and
it's
just
given
us
exposure
to
things.
We
wouldn't
normally
get
exposure
to.
B
I
think
for
everyone.
In
my
experience
and
other
athletes,
I've
talked
to
navigating
the
process
was
a
bit
challenging
early
on,
just
because
we
were
under
the
impression
that
there
were
going
to
be
consequences
or
things
like
that.
If
we
didn't
do
it
correctly,
so
we
were
pretty
worried
about
like
making
sure
everything
was
following
the
rules
to
a
t,
but
as
we
like
continued
to
make
deals
and
things
like
that,
it
just
got
easier.
The
no
cap
platform
we
use
is
fairly
simple
to
disclose
deals.
B
I
think
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
educate
athletes
on
the
rules
and
things
like
taxes.
I
think
our
compliance
department
has
done
a
really
good
job
in
presenting
to
us
and
telling
us
the
rules
and
giving
us
all
the
information
that
they
have
so
far.
I
think
going
forward
as
a
state.
B
It
would
be
nice
to
just
have
some
more
specific
guidelines
as
to
what
is
and
isn't
allowed
because
there's
a
lot
of
judgment
calls
and
people
are,
in
my
experience
at
least
my
teammates
are
being
kind
of
on
the
safe
side
with
that
which
is
good,
but
it
would
just
be
nice
to
have
a
little
bit
more
strict
guidelines
just
to
provide
us
with
more
information
on
that.
I
think
it's
also
been
good
networking
opportunities.
That's
another
thing.
B
We
miss
out
on
a
lot
with
not
working
due
to
sports
is
being
able
to
network,
and
I
know
myself
and
my
teammates
as
well
as
athletes
in
other
sports,
we've
networked
and
gotten
deals
and
said:
oh,
you
might
be
good
for
this
deal
as
well.
So
it's
just
given
us
a
lot
of
experience
that
we
wouldn't
normally
get
being
athletes.
A
Next
we're
going
to
go
to
and
please
hang
out
in
case.
We
have
some
questions
there
on
zoom.
Next
we're
going
to
go
to
austin
ortega,
also
on
zoom.
Mr
ortega
go
ahead
when
you
are
ready.
I
Hello,
my
name
is
austin
ortega
for
the
record
student
athlete
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno.
I
A
little
background
on
me
is
I'm
a
long
snapper
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno
and
I'm
originally
from
san
antonio
texas.
I
just
recently
graduated
with
a
bachelor's
degree
in
journalism,
with
a
minor
in
sports
management
and
looking
to
pursue
my
master's
degree
in
journalism.
This
upcoming
fall
with
the
new
sports
management
program
that
has
just
been
introduced
at
our
university.
I've
learned
a
ton
about
nil
through
my
classes,
just
because
that's
been
the
hot
topic
for
the
last
year.
I
From
my
perspective,
I'm
a
current
walk-on
at
the
football
team
and
received
no
money
from
the
university
to
play
the
sport
I've
loved.
Ever
since
I
could
walk,
I
think
the
nil
rule
can
get
players
like
me,
being
a
walk
on
a
chance
to
make
money
playing
their
prospective
sports
when
they
receive
no
money
from
the
university.
I
I
They
send
me
their
product
for
posting
their
product
twice
a
month
on
my
social
media
pages,
when
an
io
first
came
out
last
july,
I
thought
companies
would
be
coming
after
us
student
athletes
for
deals,
but
soon
to
realize
that
it
was
the
other
way
around
where
we
were
trying
to
target
companies
that
we
could
market
for.
In
my
personal
opinion,
I
think
student
athletes
should
be
able
to
benefit
from
school
profits
from
sponsorships
such
as
adidas
gatorade,
pirate
nike
and
under
armour.
I
I
Likewise,
the
university
of
nevada
reno
have
a
contract
with
adidas
worth
over
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year,
and
we
as
athletes
don't
see
any
of
that
money
in
which
we
can
only
wear
adidas
products
during
an
athletic
competition
and
just
to
say
you
and
our
athletes
seem
to
be
undervalued
in
il
deals,
because
we
don't
really
have
as
big
of
a
reach
as
bigger
schools
such
as
texas,
a
m
and
alabama.
Do
we
see
no
local
companies
and
alumni
stepping
up
and
reaching
out
to
help
benefit
the
student
athletes
through
nil
endorsements?
I
And
I
think
that's
something
that
unlv
I
don't
know
how
it
is
down
there,
but
for
nevada.
I
think
local
companies
could
do
better
by
reaching
out
to
the
student
athletes
and
helping
them
capitalize
on
nil
opportunities,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
A
B
Hello,
mine,
it's
okay,
my
name
is
hannah
smart
for
the
record.
I
don't
have
too
many
brand
deals
or
anything
I
just
have
smaller
ones
such
as
like
bar
stool,
activewear
and
notorious
vintage,
but
basically,
once
this
nil
law
passed,
I
knew
there
was
going
to
be
a
big
overreaction
and
a
lot
of
athletes.
B
Sorry
we're
going
to
be
bombarded
with
like
offers
and
stuff,
but
I
think
what's
happening
is
it's
causing
athletes
to
almost
kind
of
be
used
by
brands
for
free
advertising
because
what's
happening
like,
for
example,
bar
stool,
you
put
them
in
your
bio,
you
post
them
for
free
clothes
and
that's
all
you
really
get
out
of
it,
and
I
would
say
that
athletes
are
having
to
add
the
title
influencer
to
this,
like
student
athlete
title,
but
the
issue
is
we
don't
know
exactly
what
to
do
and
brands.
B
B
I
know
that
it's
heavily
based
upon
how
many
followers
we
have.
For
example,
one
of
my
deals
they
they
were
like.
Okay,
you
have
between
five
thousand
and
ten
thousand
followers.
So
you
get
this
pr
package,
whereas
people
with
more
followers
would
get
a
bigger
package.
I
guess
you
could
say
or
maybe
even
paid.
B
However,
coming
from
a
smaller
school,
I
think
that
nil
as
a
whole
is
really
good,
because,
even
though
we
don't
have
cade
mcnamara
from
michigan
or
any
huge
huge
names,
we
get
to
make
an
impact
on
our
community,
which
I
think
is
really
important,
especially
for
nevada,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
potential
to
become
more
of
a
college
town
and
get
more
like
donations
and
get
more
money
through
our
community
and
like
getting
to
know
them.
So
that's
all-
and
I
hope
that
was
helpful.
A
B
B
I
work
with
lifestyle
bands.
I
want
organics
and
barstool
and
per
I
just
I
promote
them
through
social
media
mostly,
and
what
I
think
is
good
about
that
on.
The
plus
side
of
this
is
with
me
doing
this.
A
lot
of
people
on
my
teams
or
friends
who
go
to
the
schools,
have
reached
out
to
these
companies
and
have
also
like
bandwagoned
off
of
what
I've
done
and
will
help
promote
these
brands
as
well,
and
then
they
get
nio
deals.
B
So
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
lot
of
good
points
to
these.
The
nil
deals
way
for
us
to
make
money.
It
gets
their
products
out
there.
It
gets
the
name
of
our
schools
out
there
to
kind
of
encourage
people,
but
I
do
think,
like
I
said
with
us,
not
being
a
really
big
school,
it
makes
it
a
little
harder
to
not
get
like
the
big
brands
like
adidas
or
I
don't
know
just
a
big
brand
to
want
to
sponsor
us
or
give
us
a
deal.
So
that's
my
personal
experience.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
miss
maher,
and
that
rounds
out
our
presenters
for
this
section.
It
was
really
important
to
to
us
that
we
hear
from
our
student
athletes
and
our
coaches,
who
are
actually
in
the
midst
of
navigating
all
of
this,
and
I
want
to
commend
and
congratulate
all
of
our
student
athletes.
A
You
know
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
you
sound,
like
you,
guys,
are
all
thriving
academically
and
with
your
athletics,
I
have
a
question
and
either
one
of
you
can
answer
it
or
you
know.
A
Maybe
one
or
two
people
can
respond
and
you
can
just
show
us
your
hands
so
we'll
know
who
to
call
on
so
everyone
doesn't
pop
turn
on
their
microphone
and
start
speaking
at
once,
but
I
am
curious
about
the
types
of
deals
you
all
are
seeing,
and
I
hear
I've
heard
a
couple
of
the
same
companies
kind
of
circulate
there,
but
are
you
seeing
primarily
between
you
and
your
friends?
A
A
You
know
earn
some
actual
cash
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
question
is
going
to
be
with
those
when
they
the
time
commitment
the
difference
in
the
time
commitment
between
the
possible
deals
that
offer
you
cash
versus
the
deals
that
are
offering
you
products,
and
I
see
ms
smirt's
hand
up
first,
so
go
ahead,
miss
merc
and
then
let
me
just
check
anyone
else.
Wanna
answer
that
okay,
all
right,
miss
merc.
B
Okay,
I'm
hannah
smart
for
the
record,
so
in
terms
of
the
time
commitment
for
the
different
deals.
Obviously
it
depends,
but
I
wouldn't
say
there's
a
ton
of
a
difference.
B
However,
the
deals
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
them
are
product
based,
but
then
I
also
can
make
commissions,
so
I
will
get
a
code
for
so
for
my
vintage
deal,
I
have
a
code
and
whoever
uses
my
code,
I
get
15
commission
of
whatever
they
got
and
that
compared
to
my
like
product
deals,
I
personally
don't
have
a
different
like
time
commitment.
B
It's
just
a
lot
of
work
on
social
media
sometimes-
and
you
have
to
like,
be
consistent
with
your
posting
to
make
sure
you
have
enough
followers
and
stuff
like
that,
but
also
I
don't
have
any
like
crazy,
big
deals.
So
I'm
sure
those
would
be
more
time
consuming
but
yeah.
For
me,
it's
just
mainly
like
15,
commission
or
product.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
just
want
to
check
to
make
sure
that
anyone
else
want
to
chime
in
on
that
any
of
our
student
athletes
nope.
Okay,
so
moving
on
to
more
questions,
do
we
have
a
question
here
in
carson
city?
No,
not
in
carson
city
vice
chair.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
our
coaches
or
athletes
in
las
vegas.
E
Thanks,
I
have
a
couple
questions
so
what
I
heard
from
the
student
athletes-
and
I
really
appreciate
you
coming
here
and
sharing
your
story
with
us.
My
question,
I
think
what
I
heard
from
you
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
you
would
like
to
have
more
education
on
how
nil
works
and
what
the
opportunities
are
for
you
out
there
that
you
really
felt
like
in
many
cases
you
had
to
find
those
opportunities.
E
A
Okay,
yeah,
my
apologies
vice
chair.
I
was
getting
a
note.
So
let's
do
this.
Student
athletes
raise
physically,
raise
your
hand,
so
we
can
actually
see.
A
It
looks
like
it's
a
yes
from
here
from
carson
city.
It
looks
like
they're
saying
yes,
they
would
like
more
education
on
nil
deals
and
contracts,
and
things.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
coach,
our
football
coach,
I'm
sorry!
So
I
really
appreciated
your
points
that
you
brought
up
and
I'm
just
wondering
in
your
athletes
and
you
one
of
the
ones
that
you
brought
up
was
recruiting
and
I
think
it's
I've
been
very
consistent.
Every
meeting
bringing
up
the
recruiting
thing,
because
I
think
it's
it's
huge
in
this,
and
so
I
would
just
like
to
know
from
you
if
it
has
affected
your
recruiting
thus
far,
even
though
we're
in
the
baby
stages.
J
Mark
sorel
unlv
football
yeah,
I
I
the
reason
it's
affected
is
because
it's
it's
been
a
conversation
topic
every
single
time
I
shouldn't
say
every
single
majority
of
the
time:
it's
going
to
be
there,
whether
it
be
the
parent
or
the
coach
or
the
player
specifically
in
and
we're
going
to.
I
don't
want
to
cross
this
bridge
now,
but
especially
especially
in
this
transfer
portal
world.
J
This
is
a
whole
nother
category
of
of
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
is
because
this
immediate
eligibility
process
now-
and
it's
got
some
guardrails
behind
it
coming
up,
but
that
part
has
has,
in
itself
created
a
conversation
in
regards
to
immediate
eligibility
that
they
want
to
know
that
they're
basing
where
they
go.
J
Based
on
all
these
factors
and
one
of
them
being
an
nil
deal,
I
haven't
it
probably
will
be
hard
to
tell
at
this
point,
because
I
think
it's
too
too
green
to
know
how
it's
going
to
really
affect
all
our
rosters
longitudinally,
whether
it
be
in
conference
or
across
state,
because
I
don't
know
that
yet,
but
I
think
looking
back
we'll
know
a
little
bit
more.
J
Hey
did
nio
really
affect
us
or
not
currently,
just
speaking
for
us
again,
and
because
we
don't
know
what
these
deals
are,
the
only
way
it's
the
most
common
way
to
affect
us
is
we're
having
to
say
we're
progressive
in
our
communication,
we're
we're
diligent
and
finding
out
more
and
more
about
our
athletes
and
communicating
with
our
athletic
department
and
then
the
third
parties
that
they've
included
it
and
getting
and
staying
ahead
of
and
communicating
effectively
are
nil
deals
that
are
available
in
our
town
and
in
our
city.
J
So
I
think
what
we've
done
is
we've
positioned
ourselves
in
a
positive
light
to
these
athletes
and
said
we
are
a
believer
and
a
supporter
of
this,
and
I
think
that's
helped
us
as
much
as
as
much
as
anything,
and
I
think
that's
probably
the
dialogue
that
I
believe
has
affected
our
our
our
recruiting
class.
Thus
far
is
that
we've
told
them
we
are
in
support.
We
do
have
people
who
are
very
progressive
and
aggressive
thinking
about
these
things.
J
F
F
You
know
the
nation's
top
athletes
and
we
went
against
the
best
of
the
best,
but
in
this
nil
space
you
know
it's
difficult
when
other
schools
that
are
power,
five
schools
have
more
to
give
more
to
offer
and
truth
be
told
they
are
throwing
out
the
nils
and
the
you
know
the
opportunities
that
they're
not
supposed
to
use
in
recruiting
to
to
win
these
athletes
over,
and
that
makes
it
challenging
now
that
I'm
in
the
community
college
space-
and
we
rely
a
lot
on
our
donor
participation
and
to
keep
the
lights
on
it,
I
think,
is
even
more
challenging.
F
I
don't
know
I'm
new
to
the
program.
Obviously-
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
our
student
athletes
are
have
nil
deals
at
the
moment,
but
I
would
imagine
that
you
know
in
in
competing
for
student
athletes
in
any
space
with
organizations
that
give
that
as
an
opportunity.
It's
going
to
be
challenging
for
sure.
A
Just
real
quickly
for
the
record
that
sorry.
E
A
No
problem
that
was
miss
wade
for
the
record.
Sorry,
no
problem,
okay,
go
ahead!
Somebody
carry
on
dexter.
C
Thank
you,
dexter
irvin
for
the
record.
Somebody's
got
a
teacher
right.
Yes,
I
don't
know
I'll,
do
it
I'll?
Do
it?
Okay,
coach
roy,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
yvonne
as
well.
How
how
much
influence
does
this
third
party
provider
have
in
in
the
formation
of
these
deals?
Does
that
make
sense
is?
Do
you
see
that,
in
other
words,
some
schools
have
a
nike
deal,
so
student
athletes
can
look
at
that,
maybe
as
a
better
than
a
champion
school?
C
If
there
are
such
a
thing,
and
so
these
third-party
providers,
as
they
come
into
being
and
as
they
come,
are
there
are
there
the
elite?
Third
party
providers
out
there
that
are
are
leading
the
way
for
some
student
athletes
to
develop
these
these
these
deals,
or
is
it
just
every
is
so
new?
Still
we
don't
know,
maybe
thank
you.
J
Marcus
royal
unlv,
the
I
think,
the
one
thing
that
that
we're
that
we're
having
a
hard
time
with-
and
we
someone
mentioned
this
earlier
and
I
think
I
agree
with
it-
I'm
gonna
get
that
in
a
second.
We
we
publicly
know
our
nike
deal
as
a
coach
like
we
signed
into
that
like
I
can
share
that
information.
I
know
how
many
jerseys
we
get.
J
We
know
what
deal,
how
it
compares
to
everybody
else,
that's
a
dialogue
I
can
put
into
powerpoint
and
a
sales
pitch
and
whatever
it
may
be
in
recruiting.
I
can't
do
that.
I
we
have
no
coke.
We
are
we're
disconnected
from
that,
and
I
say
that
because
I
couldn't
tell
you
the
third
party
organization
or
structure,
or
I
can
tell
you
who
they
are,
and
I
know
what
to
say
and-
and
I
know
who
to
report
to,
but
that's
a
piece
that
I
think
is
missing,
and
I
I
we
can't.
I
don't
know
that.
J
I
don't
know
what
like,
when
we
had
the
first
conversation-
and
this
was
early
on
and
influencer
was
what
part
of
this
conversations
and
no
cap
and
all
these
all
these
third
parties
that
were
party
entities
that
were
get
where
everyone
were
we're
getting
with
again,
because
we
weren't
you
know
privy
to
really
getting
into
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
it,
and
it
was
because
it
was
so
new
shoot.
J
I
I'd
be
lying
to
say
that
we
were
able
to
even
have
a
really
good
pulse,
rather
than
the
fact
that
we
tried
to
get
as
much
information
we
can
to
educate
our
staff,
get
educated
by
our
own
staff
and
and
our
athletic
department
to
be
able
to
then
tell
our
recruits
and
student
athletes.
Here's
the
formula
we're
going
to
use.
We
believe
in
it
for
this
way
and-
and
we
move
forward
with
that,
so
I'd
be
lying
to
say.
I
know
that
yeah.
C
Dexter
everything
and
thank
you,
coach,
yvonne,
didn't
we
kind
of
go
through
this
with
track
and
field
early
on,
we
started
paying
track
and
field
athletes.
First,
the
payments
went
to
the
organizations
and
then
they
eventually
started
paying
track
and
field
athletes
early.
Didn't
we
didn't
we
kind
of
go
through
this
in
the
late
90s
early
80s.
F
Yvonne
wade
for
the
record,
I
wasn't
born
yet
that
I
I
yes,
I
remember
those
discussions
of
payment
for
athletes
in
all
sports.
Actually,
I
I've
been
witness
to
a
lot
a
lot
of
those
situations,
but
you
know
the
things
that
boosters
did
privately,
that
sometimes
weren't.
So
private
now
are
legal.
You
know
in
in
in
some
kind
of
way,
so
I,
as
coach
royal,
said
we
we
need
to
set
boundaries
to
some
degree,
maybe
not
so
much
that
it's
a
headache
for
compliance
officers
and
and
institutions.
F
But
to
give
you
know
our
student
athletes
some
guidance
on
what
they
can
and
can't
do,
and
the
the
collectives
on
what
they
can
and
can't
do,
and
the
companies
that
are
funding
these
initiatives
can
and
can't
do
to
give
some
guidance
to
everybody.
So
we
know
how
to
maneuver
how
to
stay
competitive.
I
would
love
the
state
to
be
as
competitive
as
florida's
and
the
arkansas
and
all
these
other
states
we're
not
quite
there
yet.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
members
that
are
on
zoom.
I
For
the
record,
eric
nepam,
ceno,
unlv,
coach
royo,
coach
wade,
thank
you
for
joining
us.
I
think
you've
seen
that
we've
been
able,
as
a
committee,
to
get
a
great
cross-section
of
student-athlete
voices
as
well
as
administrator
voices.
I
feel
like
the
coaches
voice
is
one
where
we've
lacked.
I
Maybe
you
can
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about.
I
mean
we've
heard
the
lack
of
involvement
and
certainly
sometimes
being
in
the
dark,
and
that
obviously
is
by
design.
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
coach
royal.
Your
thought
in
terms
of
how
involved
coaches
should
be
in
the
nil
landscape
and
then
certainly
coach
wade.
Yours
as
well.
J
Marcus
sorel
unlv
eric,
I
think,
that's
that's,
probably
the
the
best.
The
best
thing
about
this
right
now
is
conversations
like
this,
that
that
would
allow
for
those
type
of
measures
and
and
those
things
to
be
put
forth,
because
I
think
it's
really
hard
to
be
in
this
position
in
a
landscape
that
we're
at
with,
with
with
student
athletes
and
their
parents
and
the
people
who
support
programs
and
the
businesses
and
stuff,
and
to
not
have
that
enough
information.
J
If
you
look
back
or
if
I
just
think
of
myself
in
20
years,
what
things
that
I'm
not
able
to
talk
about
in
respect
to
my
profession
and
the
ability
to
recruit,
develop
and
and
support
student
athletes
or
young
men
or
in
the
nfl
or
whatever
it
may
be,
the
separating
factor
right
now
is
my
ability
to
articulate
and
understand
and
be
educated
in
that
aisle,
and
I
think
that
piece
is
probably
the
piece
that
that
me
and
you've
talked
about
candidly
about
where
those
things
can
go.
J
You
know,
I
think
you're
going
to
go
down
a
slippery
slope,
and
someone
mentioned
it
in
here,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
negative
is
that
there's
got
to
be
there's
the
difference
in
collagen
pro
right
now
in
in
this,
in
this
avenue
that
we're
going
down
is
the
agents
and
the
and
the
antitrust
and
the
and
those
things
that
help
these
measures,
that
that
really
are
the
things
that
you
can
articulate
in
an
nfl
draft
room
or
the
nfl
boardroom
or
an
nflp,
a
player
pa
that
they
all
know
there's
a
handbook
for
it,
and
then
that
makes
it
that
that's
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
is.
J
Where
is
that
with
this?
And
we
don't
have
that
yet,
so
I
think
the
ability
to
develop
that
as
a
this
is
the
most
critical
conversation
I've
been
a
part
of
candidly
and
and
and
for
that
I'm
really
thankful,
but
I
think
for
us
to
be
involved,
and
someone
mentioned
earlier.
J
I
don't
remember,
who
is
a
really
important
piece,
we're
the
one
having
the
conversation
we're
the
ones
they're
coming
to
and
we're
the
ones
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
we're
the
ones
who
we
sit
in
their
living
room
and
I
think,
to
be
able
to
have
those
conversations
to
the
best
of
our
ability
without
having
to
just
close
the
door
is,
is
not
one
I
don't
think
is
very
advantageous
to
what
we're
asked
to
do
and
that's
the
athlete
experience
in
developing
young
athletes.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
F
Yvonne
wade
for
the
record,
I
think,
if
I
was
still
a
coach,
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
in
that
space
other
than
to
direct
my
student
athletes
to
the
resources
that
our
university
and
our
department
provided.
My
job
would
be
to
coach
and
to
develop
student
athletes
on
in
the
classroom
and
on
the
field,
and
then
every
institution
should
have
the
resources
to
help
our
student
athletes
navigate
that
the
best
way
possible.
F
A
Yes,
go
ahead.
Well,
let
me
I'm
sorry
one.
Second,
let
me
confirm
that
eric
was
done
with
his
questions.
Yes,
shake
your
head,
yeah!
No,
not
like
okay,
perfect!
Thank
you.
I
can
see
you
there.
We
go
okay
and
now
we
can
continue
on
to
back
to
las
vegas.
Go
ahead.
C
Thank
you,
dexter
irvin,
for
the
record.
I
would
like
to
ask
the
student
athletes
and
just
to
kind
of
change
the
the
landscape.
A
little
bit.
We've
talked
earlier
about
students
possibly
becoming
employees
of
the
institutions.
C
Have
you
thought
about
that
at
all
in
in
if
you're
early
in
your
career,
which
I'm
not
sure
where
all
of
you
are,
but
if
you
had,
if
you
were
maybe
not
a
fair
question,
do
you
even
have
you
ever
even
thought
what
that
would
be
like
to
be
classified
as
an
employee
to
have
employee
benefits,
employee
responsibilities,
but
also
have
the
ability
to
be
hired
and
fired,
basically,
as
an
employee
did
that
does
that
occur
to
you?
Does
that
scare?
A
Yes,
mr
ortega,
go
ahead
and
answer
the
question
state.
Your
name
first.
I
I
A
A
Nope,
okay,
any
other
questions
going
around
speak
now
or
if
I
ever
hold
your
piece
until
the
next
meeting,
no
okay
good
deal.
Well,
I
want
to
thank
both
our
our
coaches
and
students
for
participating
in
the
meeting.
Your
perspective
is
extremely
valuable
and
important
to
us
and
will
help
us
as
we
make
some
recommendations
moving
forward.
A
In
fact
with
that
being
said,
I
am
going
to
to
see
if
there
are
any
thoughts
or
recommendations
that
you
all
from
your
experience,
would
like
the
committee
to
consider
as
we
make
recommendations
to
the
larger
education
committee.
So
I
will
first
ask
our
coaches
there
in
las
vegas.
If
there
are
any
recommendations
that
they
will
they
foresee
and
then
I
will
come
to
our
students
on
zoom.
E
Sorry
chair:
there
are
no
recommendations
from
the
floor
here.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
and
then
here
on
the
zoom
with
our
students.
Are
there
any
things
that
any
recommendations
or
things
that
you'd
like
us
to
consider
moving
forward,
as
we
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
program
in
place
here.
A
A
It
was
great
to
hear
each
each
unique
perspective
on
name
image
and
likeness
of
student
athletes.
We
are
next
going
to
move
on
to
agenda
item
7,
which
is
public
comment,
let's
see
here
so
as
we
go
into
public
comment,
if
you
are
listening
online
and
would
like
to
provide
public
comment,
please
call
669-900-6833.
A
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
and
bps
staff.
Is
there?
Are
there
any
callers
on
the
line
that
would
like
to
make
public
comments.
A
Awesome,
thank
you.
We're
going
to
move
right
on
to
agenda
item
eight,
which
is
adjournment.
Thank
you
to
all
the
member
staff
and
everyone
who
presented
and
testified
participated
today
and
archived.
Video
of
today's
meeting
will
be
available
online.
Our
next
and
currently
last
meeting
will
be
on
thursday
june
23rd
at
1pm.
A
This
will
be
our
work
session
session
meeting
members.
If
you
have
any
additional
recommendations
based
on
what
you've
heard
and
you've
been
thinking
about
over
the
last
a
few
meetings,
please
go
ahead
and
email
those
in
to
us
and
we
will
consider
those
things
at
our
next
meeting
on
june
23rd.