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A
To
the
tech,
people
and
call
the
finance
committee
meeting
back
from
recess,
excuse
me
and
next
up
is
our
county
clerk.
Lisa
brown
welcome
sorry
for
the
couple
minute
delay,
but
business
you
know
so
welcome.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
first
thanking
my
staff.
Again,
they
just
do
an
outstanding
job.
The
dedication
to
the
people
that
we
serve
is
just
top-notch
and
I'm
just
so
proud
of
my
team.
So
I
always
want
to
start
with
that,
because,
because
they
do
such
a
phenomenal
job
and-
and
I
just
always
want
to
voice
my
appreciation
for
them
for
new
commissioners
and
just
as
a
reminder
to
to
not
new
commissioners
last
year
we
were
asked
to
make
cuts
or
reductions.
B
I
guess
I
should
say
in
our
budget,
and
I
did
that
by
reducing
some
line
items.
I
also
eliminated
some
positions,
including
my
second
deputy
clerk
position.
That
would
be
in
admin
which
was
a
big
deal,
but
I
I
don't
believe
in
being
top-heavy
and
it's
more
important
to
me
that
I
have
staff,
do
the
jobs
that
are
required
to
be
done
in
in
my
office
than
you
know
than
having
people
here
in
administration.
B
So
you
know
if
it
means
taking
on
more
stuff
for
me
and
and
fred
and
valerie,
then
that's
that
so,
but
in
doing
that
it
made
it
a
little
harder.
I
guess,
for
this
year
since
this
year
we
were
asked
to
reduce
specifically
salary
expenditures
by
three
to
four
percent.
B
You
know
what
is
it
10
up
to
10
or
at
10
within
the
next
five
years?
So
I
would
say,
especially
it's
not
easy
to
do
as
a
constitutional
office.
Almost
every
single
thing
that
my
staff
does
is
required
by
law.
There's
not
a
lot
of
free
free
space
here
as
to
what
we
do.
The
things
that
we
offer
the
the
services
that
we
offer
that
are
not
required
by
law
would
be
the
veteran's
id
card
and
passports.
B
Everything
else,
basically
that
we
do
is
required
by
law
so
hard
to
limit
or
reduce
your
workforce
on
tasks
that
you
are
required
to
fulfill
by
law.
And
then
we
have
the
state
court
administrative
office,
as
well
as
the
legislature
throwing
more
job
duties
at
us.
So
with
that
being
said,
we
did
cut
five
positions.
B
One
cashier,
which
is
now
called
something
else:
financial
services,
technician
and
so
job
descriptions
have
been
changed
because
I
don't
know,
I
guess
it's
because
of
jq,
but
so
now
they're
concepts.
So
what
was
always
called
like
an
office
assistant?
Two
is
now
an
office
support
clerk
senior
and
we
cut
four
of
those
positions
and
that
adds
up
to
almost
and
310
thousand
dollars
in
reductions
in
our
in
that
line
item
I
I
did
offer
and
asked
multiple
times
if
we
could
cut
our
summer
positions.
B
We
have
two
of
those
and
I
was
told
no
because
even
though
those
positions
are
it's
a
weird
thing,
even
though
they're
they
fall
in
my
in
my
office,
they're
paid
out
of
hr's
budget
or
something
so
I
don't
have
the
authority
to
cut
them,
but
we
would
be.
We
would
be
very
comfortable
with
the
elimination
of
those
two
positions.
B
I
put
that
out
there
many
times
so
anyways
and
yeah,
okay
and
in
the
next
year
I
there
would
be.
There
will
be
another
position
that
I
will
be
comfortable
eliminating,
and
that
is
a
one
in
micro,
graphics.
We
have
started
a
new
service
down
there
and
right
now
I
have
a
micro,
graphics
operator
one
and
I
have
my
those
names
changed,
but
I'm
still.
B
Operator,
one
and
micro
graph
operator
two
and
the
difference
being,
of
course,
job
duties,
but
now
that
my
staff
is
doing
a
completely
different
service,
basically
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
a
minute.
B
If
they're
all
doing
the
same
job
duties,
then
I
can
eliminate
the
micro
graphics
one
position
because
they'll
all
be
doing
the
micro
graphics
operator,
two
job
duties
so
and
if
not,
then
we
can
eliminate
a
micro,
graphics
operator
two
position
and
keep
the
one
and
the
one
so
so
we're
waiting
to
see
how
that
whole
process
goes
and
what
we're
doing
is.
We
are
taking
images
that
have
been
saved
on
microfilm,
microfiche
and
and
turning
those
into
digital
images,
and
we
are
doing
that
for
other
departments.
B
We're
doing
that
for
we're
doing
work
for
treasures
office,
we're
doing
work
for
wrc
and
it
is
saving
those
departments
a
lot
of
money.
It
costs
my
department
money
to
do
it
where
we
haven't
been
able
to
charge
other
departments
for
the
services
that
we
provide
them.
B
I
always
kind
of
get
a
weird
answer,
because
I
mean
I
know
I
get
charged
by
I.t
I
get
charged
by
facilities.
I
get
charged
by
all
the
other
county
departments
for
everything
that
they
provide
us,
but
for
some
reason
we
can't
charge
for
the
things
that
we
do
and
some
of
those
departments
did
look
to
see
what
it
would
cost
for
them
to
have
an
outside
source.
B
Do
the
service
and
again-
and
it
was
way
more
than
well
since
we're
not
even
charging
them,
but
even
if
we
were
to
charge
them,
it's
it's
a
huge
soft
case.
It's
a
huge
cost
savings
for
them.
As
far
as
vsip,
we
had
two
supervisors
that
took
that
and
retired.
Again,
I'm
not
a
top
heavy
structure
or
structured
organization,
those
aren't
positions
that
can
be
eliminated.
B
We
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
supervisors
and
and
we
need
our
supervisors,
so
we
did
fill
those
within
and
we
have
three.
I
believe
it's
three
more
employees
that
will
be
taking
the
vsip
over
the
next
two
years,
so
in
total,
we'll
have
had
five
people
when
all
is
said
and
done
that
took
the
v-step.
B
B
Poached
isn't
nice,
but
whatever
there
are
other
departments
that
seem
to
hire
a
lot
of
our
legal
staff
and
it's
really
a
strain
on
us
to
have
to
put
the
time
in
of
training
somebody
and
just
for
them
to
leave,
because
they
seem
to
have
more
opportunities
there
we're
working
on
on
a
professional
track.
I
forgot
what
the
real
words
are,
but
for
our
staff
so
that
there's
more
room
for
growth.
B
Again,
we
only
have
so
many
supervisor
positions,
but
we
don't
want
people
to
you
know
feel
like
they're
capped
out
with
me
and
then,
and
so
then
go
to
another
department
with
all
the
knowledge
that
they
have
because
they
have
more
opportunities
somewhere
else.
So
we
have
it's
been
difficult
for
us
to
hire
and
fill
some
of
our
vacant
positions
because
of
covid.
B
These
are
detail-oriented
positions
that
you
need
to
sit
side
by
side,
I'm
and
I'm
really
referring
to
the
clerk
side
more
than
more
than
anything
else,
but
especially
legal,
but
vitals.
We
have
people
who
are
dealing
with
very
sensitive
documents.
Somebody
needs
to
be
sitting
right
next
to
somebody
to
learn
how
to
do
these
jobs
and
with
covid
and
the
social
distancing
we
haven't
been
able.
You
know
that
that's
been
an
obstacle
for
us,
so
we
are
in
the
process.
We
are
hiring
people
now,
and
so
that's
where
we're
at.
B
So,
for
next
year,
as
I
said,
I
should
be
able
to
cut
the
position
in
micrographics.
Oh
the
new
yeah.
I
already
talked
about
that.
Okay,
in
addition
to
the
reduction
in
the
expenditures,
I
made
changes
to
some
revenue
line
items
by
more
than
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
was
very
comfortable
with
that.
B
I
am
someone
who
does
not
spend
more
than
what's
in
their
budget
and
I
like
to
meet
the
goals
that
are
set
for
us,
but
I
have
every
year
made
adjustments
to
my
budget
that
are
based
on
real
numbers
and
realistic
and
what
I
think
you
it
know
real.
I
I
you
want
real
numbers
to
work
with,
so
do
I
and
like
every
year
I
have
said,
for
instance,
admissions
to
the
bar
every
year
I
say
it's
going
down
it's
going
down
and
it
has
every
year
it's
gone
down.
B
It's
just
and
it's
not
a
huge
line
item,
but
it's
something
that
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
trend.
It's
what's
happening,
it's
there's
fewer
attorneys
that
are
being
you
know,
admitted
to
the
bar
here,
and
so
you
know
it's
just
been
on
this
trend.
I
will
say,
though,
that
the
county
execs
team
made
additional
changes
to
my
budget
that,
quite
frankly,
I
am
not
comfortable
with
they
added
an
additional
1.1
million
dollars
in
revenue,
and
I
kind
of
feel
like
I'm
being
set
up
for
failure.
B
I
I
had
if
I
felt
comfortable
with
those
changes,
I
would
have
made
them
myself.
You
know
right
now.
Our
economy
is
in
a
very
strange
place
when
you
look
at
the
housing
market.
You
know
it's
a
very
hot
market,
there's
very
low
inventory
and
so
houses
are
going
for
higher
sale
values.
B
B
You
know,
that's
that's
short
term
right.
That's
not!
That's!
Not
gonna!
We're
not
gonna
continue
like
that.
We
have
legislation
in
lansing,
not
we
there
is
legislation
landing.
We
don't
support
it
that
will
affect,
if
signed
into
law,
affect
our
revenue
as
well
and
there's
in
two
different
offices,
one
in
the
in
the
clerk's
office
with
legal
records.
There
is
legislation
that
is
moving
to
allow
everyone
access
to
all
the
court
records
like
for
free.
Anybody
can
look
at
anything,
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
that.
B
You
know,
there's
personal,
identifying
information,
there's
records
that
start
out
as
public
and
then
become
non-public,
and
the
fact
that
somebody
might
capture
that
and
keep
that
out
there.
You
know
expungement
is
a
big
issue
right
now.
We've
got
that
that
we're
working
with
and
again
somebody's
going
to
download
all
this
data
and
then
sort
of
maybe
hold
somebody
hostage
or
cyberbully.
Somebody
about
you
know,
court
information,
that's
information
and
court
records
that
eventually
becomes
private
or
non-public.
B
I
should
say
it's
it's
an
issue,
but
but
in
addition
it
would
affect
our
revenue,
but
you
know
there's
other
issues
to
that.
Second,
in
the
register
of
deeds
office,
there
is
a
package
of
bills
and
I
would
love
if
the
county
commission
wanted
to
put
in
a
resolution
to
oppose
this
legislation.
B
They're
called
the
zillow
bills
and
zillow
you
heard
me
right,
like
zillow,
you
know
the
website
they
want
to
be
able
to,
or
the
the
package
of
bills
proposes,
to
allow
access
to
electronic
property
records
and
get
all
that
information
for
free,
basically
or
at
a
very
reduced
cost,
and
I'm
not
taking
into
account.
Like
you
know,
I
have.
B
I
have
a
vendor
that
you
know
I
pay
a
lot
of
money
to
you
know
it
wouldn't
cover
all
that,
so
it
would
be
and
and
that
package
of
bills
actually
also
would
impact
the
treasurer's
office
in
a
negative
way
as
well.
So
so
those
are
very
concerning
to
me
that
there's
legislation
out
there
that
and
I'm
all
about
access
to
our
records,
I
mean
I
have
the
super
index.
B
Am
I
very
proud
of
that
that
people
can
search
our
records
for
free,
but
being
able
to
download
copies
of
the
entire
document
is
a
different
situation
and
again,
if
zillow
or
any
other
big
corporation
like
that,
wants
to
data
mine
our
records
to
me,
there
is
it's
more
of
an
opportunity
for
fraud.
You
know
legally,
we
are
the
keeper
of
the
records
and
for
somebody
else
to
purport
that
they
have
all
the
records
they
could
leave
something
out
that
changes
the
chain
of
title.
B
They
could
add
something
in
that
change
changes
the
chain
of
title
it
to
me.
It's
just
very,
very
dangerous
so
but
again
would
also
impact
my
revenue.
In
addition
to
that,
we
are
in
the
process
of
implementing
a
new
program
with
our
vendor.
B
You
know
we
have
had
our
traditional
program
of
of
searching
our
property
records
and
then
again
in
2014,
I
added
the
super
index
and
now
we're
kind
of
merging
those
two
programs,
and
so
how
we
charge
folks
to
to
get
documents
is
going
to
change
a
little
bit
and
that
and
we
will
be
bringing
a
resolution
soon
to
you
to
take
up
for
a
new
fee
structure,
fee
schedule
for
us
in
the
register
of
deeds-
and
I
just
don't
know
if
the
zillow
bills,
let's
say,
don't
get
signed
into
law.
B
This
will
still
have
an
impact
on
my
budget
and
I
just
don't
know
how
yet
because
we're
it's.
It's
something
new
of
how
we're
doing
this,
so
that's
that
in
addition
to
that
in
our
budget.
B
So
if
you
looked
at
our
budget
pages,
you
know
we
received
and
and
very
grateful,
for
it
cares
act
money
to
help
with
elections
with
what
we
did
in
in
supporting
16
of
our
municipalities
and
tabulating
their
absentee
ballots
last
year
at
no
cost
to
them,
and
I
think
you
all
know
and
can
agree
it
was.
It
was
very
successful
and
again
a
hat
to
my
staff
in
doing
a
great
job.
B
It
was
a
huge
undertaking,
so
we
did
have
this
source
of
revenue
come
in,
but
then
the
expenditures
are
out
of
individual
line
items,
so
it
kind
of.
If
you
just
look
at
it,
it
kind
of
looks
funky.
If
you
look
at
the
elections
budget,
but
you
know
like
why
is
all
this
money
spent
out
of
this
line
item
when
there
isn't
any
money
in
this
line
item?
But
then
you
have
all
this
money
over
here
that
hasn't
been
spent,
and
it's
just
how
it
has
to
be
done.
B
But
in
the
future
we
are
now
going
to
be
charging
the
municipalities
that
we
tabulate
their
absentee
ballots.
For
this
isn't
a
profit
situation.
It
is,
it
is,
like
literal
cost
of
what
things
are
and
not
even
including
everything
so
there's
still
a
cost.
You
know
when
my
staff
works
overtime.
B
That's
we're
not
we're
not
passing
that
on
to
the
municipalities,
but
the
workers,
the
the
notice
that
we
have
to
put
in
the
newspaper
if
they
want
us
to
pick
up
their
ballots
versus
them,
bringing
them
to
us
different
things
that
there
are
costs
for
so
in
the
future.
You'll
see,
reimburse
general.
B
That
line
item
will
will
go
up,
but
again,
there's
going
to
be
expenditures
and
other
line
items
like
per
diem
to
pay
the
workers
and
things
like
that,
things
that
revenue
items
that
have
been
impacted
by
kovid,
the
marriage
waivers.
B
If
you
look
at
that,
that's
that's
gone
down
a
lot,
because
you
know
we're
we're
having
people
apply
online.
That
starts
the
clock
of
the
three-day
waiting
period.
You
know
by
the
time
they
make
an
appointment
all
that
sort
of
thing,
so
that
light
line
item
is
down
passport
fees.
We
haven't
been
doing
passports.
The
federal
agency
was
closed
for
quite
a
period
of
time,
or
only
taking
life
and
death
applications.
B
So
when,
when
we
have
some
changes
to
our
our,
I
guess
our
infrastructure
in
elections
and
our
furniture
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
we
will
be
taking
appointments
for
passports
again,
but
for
now
that's
that's
being
tabled
as
well
as
photographs,
because
that's
that's
passport
photographs
that
line
item
and
yeah,
so
I've
been
rambling
on
for
20
minutes
now.
So
are
there
questions
or
I
let
me
I
guess.
B
Let
me
turn
it
to
joe
and
jenny
and
say:
did
I
leave
out
anything
that
you
can
think
of
that?
I
needed
to
add
in
no
they'd
rather
have
me
do
the
talking?
Okay.
So
any
any
questions
by
the
commissioners.
A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Let's
start
with
commissioner
long.
D
See
you
so
with
your
five
positions.
I
think
they
were
clerical
services.
The
four
of
them.
Are
you,
okay
still
at
the
desk,
because
I
I
feel
like
I
haven't
been
there
now
because
of
covet,
but
I
just
feel
your
clerk's
office
still
has
a
lot
of
paper.
It
still
requires
a
lot
of
people.
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
turn
into
that
again,
but
you
have
a
lot
of
traffic
and
I
think
it
will
always
be
there.
D
You
know
after
covered
and
stuff
again,
so
I'm
just
concerned
a
little
bit
with
the
employees
you
cut.
Is
that
going
to
put
too
much
of
a
burden
on
the
employees
that
are
left?
There
just
seems
like
it's
a
lot
of
paperwork
in
your
clerk's
office.
As
you
know,.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
that.
It
is
a
lot
of
paperwork,
a
lot
of
is
electronic
now,
but
that
still
we
still
need
people
to
to
process
that.
So
I
am
comfortable
and
we
are
comfortable
with
the
five
that
we
cut
and,
like
I
said,
the
one
more
in
micrographics,
I
will
be
comfortable
with
beyond
that.
I'm
going
to
have
a
really
hard
time,
and
especially
with
the
expungement
changes
that
are
coming
or
once
that
process
is
implemented,
we're
going
to
need
more
staff
for
that.
B
We
don't
know
how
the
state
court
administrative
office
is
going
to
start
us
off.
If
it's
just
going
to
be
one
huge
data
dump
or
if
they're
going
to
piecemeal
it
out
to
us.
We
have
no
idea,
so
you
know
when
we
know
that
that
will
be
helpful,
but
that
is
like
a
huge
task
for
us
that
that
we're
going
to
need
people
to
to
be
doing
so,
I'm
comfortable
with
where
I
am
right
now,
but
but
anything
more
than
that,
I
I
I
would
not
be
comfortable
with.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
long
commissioner
moss,
and
then
commissioner,
charles.
C
I
don't
quite
know
what
we're
to
go
with
this
other
than
it
sounds
to
me
like
what
you're
saying
is
that
in
the
future,
the
information
the
that
you
that
costs
you
a
lot
of
money
to
provide
and
to
correlate
and
to
make
available,
another
party
can
come
along
and
offer
electronically,
basically
for
free
structurally.
This.
C
Roebuck
was
saying
around
about
nia
year
2000
and
I
don't
have
an
answer,
and
I
know
you
have
to
provide
it
by
law
and
if
you
don't
have
the
income
to
to
do
it
because
things
are
changing,
but
I
don't
know
how
you
fight
something
like
zillow
that
will
take
that
can
legally
take
the
product
that
you
that
you
make
and
then
then
provide
it
at
a
cheaper
rate
or
maybe
nothing
and
then
live
on
the
advertising.
C
This
is
not
something
that's
unique
to
your
office,
and
this
is
the
first
time
I've
heard
about
it
applying
to
public
sector
but
yeah.
It
is
a
little
disturbing
and
I'm
not
quite
sure,
I've.
Absolutely
no,
no,
no
answer
to
it
any
more
than
I
did
when
the
newspapers
were
all
saying:
yeah
no
one's
gonna
listen
to
online
because
they
need
us
or
the
bricks
and
mortar
were
saying
they
had
amazon
it'll,
never
work.
C
You
know
so
just
to
say
that
maybe
you
are
in
uncharted
waters
and
are
going
to
have
to
find
you're.
Gonna
have
to
be
the
ones
that
figure
out
figure
this
out.
If
we
can
help
you,
let
me
know,
but
this
is
this
is
bigger
than
you
and
bigger
than
all
of
us
sounds
that
way.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
moss.
It's
you
know
it's
not
legal
right
now,
and
data
mining
should
not
be
legal.
It
is
a
huge
problem,
not
just
in
michigan
but
everywhere,
where
another
entity
downloads,
you
know,
somebody's
information
and
then
and
then
has
it
all
for
themselves.
B
You
know
I'm
hoping
I've
been
talking,
I'm
on
the
legislative
committee
for
the
michigan
association
of
county
clerks,
as
well
as
the
michigan
association
of
registered
deeds,
because
it
was
just
you
know
in
other
counties.
It's
two
different
elected
positions
in
oakland
county.
It's
it's
we're
combined
here
so,
but
to
introduce
legislation
to
ban
data
mining
because
it
is
very
dangerous
and
right
now
zillow.
It's
not
it's,
not
legal
for
them
to
do
that.
They
do
have
to
pay,
but
they
you
know
they.
They
have
a.
B
You
know
some
legislators
that
were
willing
to
sponsor
legislation
to
say
you
know
that
information
should
be
accessible
without
without
the
normal
charge.
So
that's
why
I
said:
if
there's
a
if
you
guys
want
to
pick
pass
a
resolution
saying
you
oppose
the
legislation,
I
would
love
that.
E
Yes,
hi
there,
clerk
brown.
This
is
commissioner,
charles
speaking,
how's,
that
fire
suppression
piece
coming.
B
No,
it's
funny
that
you
say
that
because
I
did
write
that
down,
but
I
did
want
to.
I
was
going
to
end
with
that,
just
as
you
as
you
all
work
with
the
budget
and
you're
working
with
you
know
the
arp
money
and
everything
else.
You
know
we
do
not
have
fire
suppression
in
my
office.
As
commissioner
long
said.
B
We
we
have
a
lot
of
paper
here
and
I
know
that
the
building
is
old
and
so
it
was
grandfathered
in,
but
it
is
very
troubling
in
addition
to
that,
our
lights
are
extremely
old.
The
ballasts
they
sometimes
explode
and
and
we've
had
sparks,
actually
fall
on
an
employee's
desk
and
there's
a
burn
mark
on
a
piece
of
paper.
So
when
you
do
talk
about
infrastructure,
I
hope
that
you
will
look
like
really
internally
and
and
here
in
the
courthouse
and
look
at
what
we
really
need
in
our
building.
B
E
Thank
you
for
that.
I
just
wanted
that
to
be
articulated
in
the
record.
You
also
raised
some
concerns.
Excuse
me
as
it
relates
to
some.
I
don't
want
to
say
mandate.
It
sounds
so
harsh,
but
some
things
that
came
across
to
your
department
from
the
exec
and
you
know
requiring
oh
my
question
to
I'm
reading
my
notes
here.
My
question
is
then
to
the
chair
here
is:
does
this?
E
Does
this
opportunity
allow
for
a
more
in-depth
study
session?
Again,
this
being
my
first
time
doing
this.
E
A
D
A
E
Right
and
I'm
not
speaking,
fire
suppression,
I'm
talking
generally
to
her
concerns
that
she
raised
about
the
one
point.
I
think
it
was
like:
1.4
million
kirk
brown,
1.1
1.1,
so
just
things
like
that,
I
mean
I'd
hate
for
us
as
a
committee
to
recommend
support
of
something
to
our
body.
You
know
to
our
wider
body,
knowing
that
it
might
fall
short
later
on.
A
Well,
I
think
that
it
needs
to
come
through
lago
to
have,
like
you
said,
a
good
evaluation
of
what
the
need
really
is.
Okay
and
the
committee
structure
is
where
that
discussion
would
take
place.
E
Okay
and
then
I
guess
my
closing
comment
is
just
simply
with
so
much
focus
on
election
integrity.
E
This
is
not
the
time
to
hamper
the
the
ability
for
our
for
for
our
elections
to
be
accurate
and
safe,
and
that's
for
the
staff
I'm
hearing
that
clerks
are
dropping
by
you
know
dropping
by
the
dozens
as
far
as
feeling
safe
in
their
jobs,
and
so
I
definitely
want
us
to
make
sure
that
we're
shoring
up
in
that
regard.
So
thank
you,
I'm
all
all
done
there.
Thank
you.
B
Commissioner,
thank
you
thank
you
and
commissioner
chair
markham.
I
I
think
I'm
not
sure
I
I
I
believe
what
commissioner
charles
was
referring
to.
I
mean
she
talked
about
the
fire
suppression,
but
the
1.1
million
dollars
that
we
referenced
is
the
additional
revenue
that
the
county,
execs
team
has
put
into
my
budget.
That
I
said
I
was
not
comfortable
with.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
what,
if
you
were
understanding
that
I
I'm
having
a
hard
time
hearing
you
chair,
madam
chair,
so
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
were
under
if
you
were
getting
like
that
was
what
she
was.
Referencing
was
the
additional
revenue
that
the
that
has
been
put
into
my
budget
with,
without
my
blessing,
I
guess
I'll
say
that
I'm
not
comfortable.
A
Well,
thank
you
for
that
clarification
and
I
do
think
that's
a
separate
discussion
with
the
executive
about
what
are
they
looking
for
that
money
to
be
there
for
and
why
there's
a
disconnect
between
you
and
them?
We
don't
have
visibility
to
that
right
now
on
this
committee,
but
it's
certainly
something
to
talk
about
offline.
I
think
in
a
broader
context,
so,
okay,
anything
else
from
the
commissioners.
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
I'll
start
and
joe.
If
you,
if
there's
anything,
I
miss,
feel
free
to
jump
in.
B
We
presented
it
to
all
of
our
local
clerks.
There
was
great
interest.
We
ended
up
receiving
16
contracts
from
various
locations.
You
know
various
municipalities
from
you
know
two
precinct,
municipalities
to
you
know
to
southfield
pontiac,
like
very
large
cities,
and
in
november
we
tabulated
144
over
144
000
ballots.
Those
were
all
those
results
were
posted
by
what
9
p.m
joe
yep
and
which
again
it.
B
You
know
joe
developed
like
a
great,
very
efficient
process,
but
it
was
also
the
ability
to
hire
so
many
people
to
work
on
election
day,
and
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
thank
all
those
individuals
who
do
sign
up
not
just
to
work
in
our
absentee
voter
accounting
board,
but
in
the
precincts
and
their
local
av
counting
boards
as
well.
I
mean,
as
I
was
saying
during
during
the
five-minute
break
to
commissioner
powell.
Elections
is
a
team
sport
and
you
know
it.
B
It
really
takes
it
takes
the
administrators,
but
it
also
takes
you
know:
citizens
involvement.
Last
year
we
had
an
audit
done
by
our
I.t
department
here
at
the
county
in
elections,
and
I
mean
we
received
top
marks.
There
wasn't
any
suggested
changes,
we're
doing
everything
right
when
the
secretary
of
state
implemented
multi-factor
authentication
for
access
to
the
qualified
voter
file.
I
was
the
first
person
to
sign
up
and
sign
up
my
entire
office.
B
It
was
shocking
and
kind
of
upsetting
to
me
that
others
didn't
jump
on
that.
I
don't
need
to
talk
about
that,
but
so
you
know
we're
doing
everything
as
far
as
the
security
of
our
elections-
and
I
I
mean
I
I
sometimes
I
feel
like
a
broken
record,
but
I
guess
you
know.
We
know
that
it
takes
multiple
times
for
messages
to
sink
into
people.
Our
equipment
does
not
touch
the
internet.
B
You
know
it
is
unfortunate
that
there
are
a
couple
of
individuals
out
there
who
are
seriously
profiting
off
of
their
misinformation
and
disinformation
about
not
just
the
november
2020
election,
but
our
election
equipment
and
our
election
process
and,
as
I
say,
election
equipment.
I
want
to
also
say
we
use
heart
injury,
civic.
It
is
not
dominion
not
that
there
was
a
problem
with
dominion
in
in
antrim
county.
B
It
was
a
clerk
error,
but
our
you
know
election
administrators
across
the
country,
including
christopher
krabs,
who
was
a
trump
appointee
to
sissa,
but
said
that
the
2020
election
was
the
most
secure
we've
ever
had.
So
our
elections
are
secure
and
you
know
we're
going
to
keep
doing
what
we
do.
B
We
just
tabulated
pontiacs
absentee
ballots
for
the
august
primary
we'll
be
helping
out
again
or
partnering
again
in
this
november,
and
you
know
we're
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
to
ensure
the
safety
of
our
staff
of
our
of
the
ballots
of
everything.
And
you
know
I
did
we
had
a
public
accuracy
test.
People
are
invited.
You
know
that
happens
before
every
election,
that
our
equipment
is
tested
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
functioning
properly,
that
it's
tabulating
correctly
and
that's
open
to
the
public.
B
You
know
that
we
have
a
canvas
after
and
I
know,
chair
markham
you've
come
to
the
canvas
to
see
how
that
works
in
the
process,
and
that
is
open
to
the
public,
and
so
you
know
it.
It
really
is
a
very
transparent
process.
You
just
have
to
show
up
right
to
see
how
it
all
works.
So
you
know
everyone
is
always
welcome
to
come
to
those
and
and
observe
and
see
how
the
process
works.
G
I'll
just
yeah
just
briefly
just
say
that
in
in
the
near
15
years,
I've
been
in
this
job-
it's
never
been
an
environment
like
it
is
now
and
aside
from
supporting
our
clerks
and
administering
the
election,
we're
now
finding
ourselves
being
pulled
into
lawsuits
being
pulled
into
requests
for
forensic
audits
and
foia
requests,
for
you
know
just
ridiculous
amounts
of
information
and,
and
all
of
that
takes
resources
from
our
office
to
to
respond
to
frivolous
lawsuits
to
to
provide
these
documents.
So
it's
a
it's
a
very
stressful,
dynamic.
G
We've
also
advised
you
know
our
staff
to
take
off
where
they
work
from
their
social
media,
because
threats
to
election
officials
is
a
very
real
thing.
That's
happening
across
our
country
these
days.
So
as
a
protection
we've
advised
them
do
not
advertise
where
you
work,
do
not
make
yourself
a
target,
because
this
is
this
is
the
environment
that
we're
in
as
lisa
mentioned.
G
G
As
our
facilities
and
equipment
will
allow
us
to
do
so,
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can,
but
the
the
things
they're
putting
in
law
that
are
adding
additional
responsibilities
to
our
office
and
then
all
of
these
outside
sort
of
distractions.
G
You
know,
really
are
a
drain
on
on
time
and
resources,
so
we're
going
to
keep
chugging
along.
But,
as
lisa
mentioned,
you
know,
staffing,
wise
and
whatnot
we're
at
we're
at
our
bare
minimum.
As
far
as
being
able
to
function.
B
And
I
would
say:
there's
really,
you
know
you
hear
people
talking
about
forensic
audit
like
that's,
not
a
thing,
and
you
know
we.
We
in
michigan
have
a
very
thorough
canvas
of
the
election
before
we
certify
our
results.
So
that's
why
it
says
unofficial
on
the
website.
Until
we,
the
canvassers,
who
you
know
you
as
the
board,
choose
two
democrats
and
two
republicans
until
everything
is
canvassed.
B
You
know
that
until
that's
done
that,
then
it's
official
and
then
after
that
you
know,
we
participated
in
two
audits
of
the
november
2020
election.
We
participated
in
the
risk
limiting
audit
where
we
submitted
a
thousand
over
a
thousand
ballots
from
oakland
county
for
the
risk
limiting
audit,
and
then
we
have
procedural
audits,
which
you
know
we
were
a
pilot.
We
were
part
of
the
pilot
program
when
I
first
started.
That
was
the
first
time
they
were
done
was
after
the
november
2012
election.
B
So
we've
been
doing
this
since
I've
been
in
office
and
those
are
those
are
very
detailed.
Those
are
those
are
very
in-depth,
the
procedural
audits-
and
you
know,
quite
frankly,
I
think
it's
a
great
process.
It's
a
lot
of
work
for
us,
but
it
has
helped
us
actually
train
our
local
clerks,
our
city
and
township
clerks
on
some
issues
that
you
know.
B
Maybe
they
were
weaker
on
reminding
them
they
had
to
change
their
password
on
the
electronic
poll
book,
like
just
things
like
that
that
just
make
our
elections
even
better,
and
so
there's
a
lot
that
we
that
we
do
but
there
a
forensic
audit
is
not
a
thing,
and
you
know
these
people
who
say
we
want
to
get
into
your
equipment.
I
want
you
to
think
about
anything.
You
own,
that's
electronic.
B
If
it's
your
laptop
or
your
phone,
if
you
open
that
up,
you
take
off
the
back,
you
do
whatever
to
it.
You
know
you
void
your
warranty
and
it
would
it
would.
You
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
our
voting
equipment.
That's
not
cheap.
We
have
over
500
precincts
in
oakland
county.
Those
are
in
person,
I'm
not
even
talking
about
the
absentee
county
boards
and
everything.
B
So
it's
a
lot
of
equipment
and
you
know
to
have
somebody
who
doesn't
know
anything
about
elections
say
that
they
want
to
look
into
the
equipment
or
look
at
this
or
look
at
that.
It's
just
again,
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
going
to
be
political
for
one.
Second,
and
just
say:
why
would
you
listen
to
somebody
who
sells
pillows
about
elections?
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
about
what
kind
of
pillow
to
buy.
A
Well,
I
guess
my
question
just
one
small
follow-up
is:
are
you
going
to
need
more
security
resources
going
forward
on
election
day?
I
mean,
have
you
thought
about
that?
Is
there
anything
we
at
the
county
can
be
doing.
B
Even
me
walking
to
my
car
after
you
know,
on
election
night,
when
I'm
walking
back
to
my
car,
the
deputies
won't.
Let
me
walk,
I
mean
any
other
night.
I
can
walk
to
my
car
by
myself
but
election
night,
because
we're
here
later
you
know
the
deputies
won't.
Let
me
walk
out
without
them.
You
know
escorting
me
out
just
to
make
sure
I'm
safe.
B
So
I
think
that
we
we
do
have
a
great
partner
in
in
our
sheriff
and
the
support
that
they
do
lend
us,
but
you
know,
will
we
have
to
step
that
up?
B
G
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
you
hit
it
on
the
head
and
they've
done
a
great
job
of
investigating
the
death
threats
that
our
office
has
received
and
anytime
we've
needed
deputies
to
either.
You
know,
transport
ballots
or
whatever,
we've
dealt
with
the
undersheriff
he's
been
great
and
very
helpful,
so
they've
taken
all
the
threats
against
our
office
very
serious,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
that
and
so
yeah.
G
A
B
No,
I
mean,
unless
we
were,
something
would
go
horrific
happened.
That
would
be
my
last
thing.
No,
those
were
those
were
vacant
positions.
Those
were
vacant
positions,
all
right,
that's
right,
yeah
and
talking
with
my
you
know
thoroughly,
were
we
comfortable
in
eliminating
those
physicians?
Could
we
be
okay
without
those?
Yes,
but
again,
moving
forward
with
again
with
more
with
added
job
duties?
I
I
don't
know
what
else
we'll
be
able
to
do
in
the
future.
C
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do
on
the
elections
and
I'm
I'm
very
sorry
to
have
to
hear
about
security
concerns
because
whether
you
agree
with
or
do
not
agree
with
elections
to
take
it
out
on
the
people
who
are
working
and
the
people
who
are
on
the
front
lines
is
inexcusable.
C
So
anything
you
need
on
that.
I
wasn't
going
to
talk
about
elections,
but
since
you
you
brought
it
up,
I
got
nothing
to
say
about
dominion,
voting
machines
or
forensic
audits,
or
any
of
that
I
have
no
intention
of
desiring
to
overturn
the
election
because,
frankly,
I
won
so
no
seriously.
But
I
do
have
a
question,
and
here
it
is,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
the
recent
census
data
and
go
to
the
u.s
census
site,
particularly
the
quick
fax
site,
I
have
three
communities.
C
One
is
under
5
000
people,
so
I
can't
look
it
up
there,
but
you
look
at
the
number
of
people,
the
the
the
gross
population
of
either
two
communities
and
you
get
a
number
and
underneath
you
have
a
percentage
of
the
number
of
people
that
are
under
18.
C
So
now,
if
you,
even
if
you
assume,
for
the
sake
of
argument
which
we
know
is
not
true,
that
every
single
human
being
that
is
over
18
is
registered
and
voted
you'll
have
a
number
now
if
we
you'll
you'll
get
yourself
a
number.
Now,
if
you
go
to
the
county
clerk's
website,
you
have
a
pdf
which
has
pretty
much
every
community
cities
and
townships,
and
it
has
two
numbers.
C
One
is
the
eligible
voters
and
the
number
is
ballots
cast
and
if
you
look
at
the
number
of
eligible
voters
compared
to
the
number
of
people
that
are
18
or
over
both
my
communities,
it's
a
significant.
There
are
significantly
more
people
that
are
eligible
voters
than
there
are
people
that
are
over
18.,
I'm
not
talking
about
other.
You
know
communities
that
we,
like
you
know
throughout,
but
I'm
talking
about
birmingham
bloomfield
township
in
one
case
one
is
12
percent.
C
C
We
have
a
really
really
good
turnout,
because
they're
in
the
90
range-
and
that
is
assuming
that
the
number
of
eligible
voters
we're
taking
off
every
single
person
over
18.,
and
we
know
that
we
have
people
who
are
not
citizens,
people
who
are
resident
people
who
are
not
competent
whatever
so,
but
let's
assume
for
the
sake
of
argument
that
they
are
everybody
over
18
is
a
registered
and
b
puts
in
a
vote.
C
So
that
seems
to
be
me
to
be
an
interesting
figure,
because
the
percentage,
whether
it's
twelve
percent
for
one
or
sixteen
percent
for
the
other
in
terms
of
gross
numbers,
are
more
than
people
have
won
elections
or
lost
elections
on,
and
we
have
upcoming
elections
that
I
happen
to
know.
In
some
cases
are
only
one
by
two
or
three
or
four
or
ten
votes,
I
make
no
conclusion
about
that
other
than
those
facts
exist.
B
So
the
qualified
voter
file
is,
I
we,
at
the
county,
have
limited
access
to
that
and
limited
duties
as
to
the
main,
the
maintenance
of
that
maintaining
it.
It
is
on
the
city
and
township
clerks
to
to
keep
the
the
voting
rolls
up
to
date.
There
is
legislation
that
would
allow
us
at
the
county
level
to
remove
deceased
voters
right
now.
We
can't
do
that
and
considering
that
as
the
clerk
you
know,
the
death
records
come
to
me.
It's
it.
B
It
makes
sense
that
we,
but
again
this
is
another
job
duty
right,
we're
talking
about
these
added
job
duties,
that's
another
job
duty
that
my
staff
may
inherit,
which
we're
happy
to
do
because
we
do
want
those
voting
rolls
to
be
clean.
We
do
want
deceased
voters
to
be
taken
off
of
the
rolls
and
everything
so,
but
it
there
is
less
maintenance.
There
are
there's
a
program
within
the
qualified
voter
program
to
run.
B
You
know
if
a
and
I'm
probably
going
to
say
it
wrong,
joe
so
jump
in
if
a
voter
hasn't
voted
or
signed
a
petition
or
done
anything
active
as
a
voter
in
two
consecutive
federal
elections.
I'm
saying
this
right:
yes,
then
they
are
put
on
on.
They
should
be
put
on
a
list.
They
should
be
sent
a
postcard.
B
B
Sometimes
those
postcards
come
back
because
they've
moved
right.
Sometimes
they
come
back
and
then
and
then
the
clerk
knows
oh
well.
Okay,
then
now
I
can
remove
this
person.
Clearly
they've
moved
the
post
postal
worker.
You
know
returned
it
to
me.
You
know,
there's
different
scenarios
with
that,
but
they
have
to
do
that.
They
have
to
run
that
program.
They
have
to
send
out
those
postcards
again.
That's
not
something
we
can
do.
B
The
legislature
has
now
ordered
the
secretary
of
state
to
do
that
right,
joe
and
there
and
they
are
in
discussions
with
the
local
clerks
as
to
where
those
postcards
are
returned
to,
because
the
legislature
was
saying
they
should
all
go
back.
I'm
sorry,
if
I'm
giving
you
too
much
information,
but
the
the.
B
We
want
all
those
postcards
to
go
back
to
the
secretary
of
state's
office
and
the
secretary
of
state
saying
that's
a
lot
for
us.
Let
us
give
them
to
the
locals,
so
they
can
maintain
their
their
list.
So
yes,
there's
an
issue
it
it's
it's
hard
for
us,
because
we
again
we
don't
have
that
that
access
that
permission
or
that
authority.
B
A
A
Okay
good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
finance
committee
budget
hearings.
F
Absolutely
thank
you
we're
coming
to
you
through
technology
from
across
the
street,
where
the
executive
office
building,
should
you
need
us
there
we're
three
minutes
away,
but
in
the
meantime
I
have
with
me
my
two
managers
of
the
the
divisions
in
central
services,
cheryl
bush
from
aviation
transportation
and
todd
merkel
from
support
services.
F
I'd
like
to
say,
commissioners,
that
from
the
outset
here
I'm
very,
very
proud
of
these
two
individuals
and
the
jobs
they
have
done
and
the
performances
they've
turned
into
this
past
year.
It
was
a
challenging
year,
as
we
all
know,
but
both
of
these
operations
stayed
open
and
and
delivered
important
service
to
both
have
essential
operations
at
the
airport.
Of
course,
we
had
a
lot
of
cove
and
emergency
type
traffic
and
they,
both
all
three
airports,
remained
open
in
support
services.
F
Of
course,
todd
takes
care
of
the
vehicles,
the
fleet
of
the
county.
He
remained
operational,
including
the
sheriff's
vehicles,
and
they
both
the
mail,
was
delivered
without
missing
a
beat
they
both
performed
say.
Thank
you
to
them
in
front
of
you
anyway,
budget.
F
These
two,
both
the
divisions,
are
essentially
enterprise
funds,
except
the
support
services.
Does
have
some
contact
with
general
fund
operations
through
our
mail
room,
operation,
record
retention
and
the
auction
both
both
of
these
divisions
have
balanced
budgets
for
the
next
year
in
aviation
and
transportation.
F
F
F
I
will
say
for
the
second
half
of
the
year,
we'll
probably
experience
some
slowdowns,
because
for
the
first
time
certainly
my
lifetime
we've
had
major.
We
have
major
runway
renovations,
going
on
at
all
three
airports,
oakland
county
international's
main
runway,
which
arguably
is
the
busiest
runway
in
the
state,
is
under
construction
right
now
and
the
rehabilitation
the
one
in
oakland
troy
will
begin
in
september
as
well,
the
one
in
oakland
southwest.
So
probably
our
traffic
will
be
down
in
the
second
half,
but
it
will
remain
operational
from
support
services.
F
Dr
burkel
is
his
operations
are
not
quite
as
sensational
as
the
airport,
but
the
more
mundane,
but
the
nevertheless
very
very
important
continues
to
we've
continued
to
acquire,
maintain,
replay
repair,
the
county
fleet
we
have
now
885
vehicles
in
the
fleet
about
50
of
them
are
sheriff
vehicles
and
another
aspect
that
people
don't
appreciate,
though,
there's
no
reason
to
be
aware
of
it,
but
to
54
of
our
fleet
our
trucks
for
all
the
various
departments
that
need
trucks,
record
retention,
todd
is
continuing
all
set.
F
There
is
retaining
the
records,
as
required
by
law
the
mail
center.
As
I
mentioned,
we
continued
to
deliver
mail
throughout
the
entire
past
year,
with
the
even
with
the
coven
19
restrictions.
We
have.
We
have
changed
one.
What
are
there
where
we're
from
a
security
standpoint,
we've
now
centralized
all
the
deliveries
as
people
come
back
to
work
in
the
county
in
the
different
buildings
departments,
we
maybe
have
a
little
challenge
in
keeping
the
centralized
system,
but
for
now
it's
working
very,
very
well.
F
F
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
vanderbeen.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
commission.
A
E
E
Berkel,
thank
you.
So
you
may
have
mentioned
it
in
your
robust
report
about
how
many
vehicles
we
have
in
the
fleet
and
then,
if
you
had
any
folks,
take
advantage
of
the
voluntary
employee
separation
in
2021.
F
I
guess
in
terms
of
the
visa
program,
we
had
one
person
at
the
airport
who
has
been
replaced
and
we
had
two
in
support
services
and
we've
replaced
those
two
partially
with
the
help
of
eliminating
a
part-time
position,
the
fleet,
I
didn't
catch
the
nature
of
the
question,
I'm
sorry,
commissioner.
Oh.
E
Yeah
I
just
at
a
high
level,
if
you
could
tell
us
how
many
vehicles
are
in
the
fleet.
F
Okay,
there
are
885
vehicles,
the
sheriff
is
the
largest
user
at
50
442,
all
the
patrol
cars
and
vehicles
in
the
in
the
sheriff's
fleet
water
resources,
commission
is
21,
parks
has
about
eight
percent,
who
are
67
vehicles
and
facilities
and
operations
and
48
vehicles
are
about
five
percent.
A
I
guess
that's
it,
for
the
central
services
group
appreciate
your
coming
before
us
today,
as
well,
as
you
know,
having
a
fine,
solid
report,
sticking
with
your
budget
operating
our
airports
and
our
fleet
and
everything
else
very
smoothly.
So
we
don't
get
complaints
and
we
have
the
services.
We
need
really
appreciate
it.
I
guess
the
only
point
I
would
make
is
the
same
point
I
made
last
year
for
mr
burkle,
and
that
is
as
we
look
to
replace
vehicles
that
885.
G
Exactly
we,
we
today
we're
going
to
put
two
electric
vehicles
into
the
fleet,
but
I
expect
to
see
that
continue
on
an
upward
trend
as
more
products
become
available.
G
Actually,
in
late
september,
I'm
going
to
a
conference
with
general
motors,
I'm
on
their
law
enforcement
product
council
and
I'm
told
they're
going
to
have
an
electric
patrol
vehicle
for
us
to
take
a
look
at.
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
going
to
be
an
actual
pursuit
rated
vehicle,
but
they're
also
been
talked.
This
fall
at
michigan
state
police
testing
that
we
expect
to
see
some
electric
vehicles
being
tested
with
the
regular
fossil
fuel
burning
control
vehicles.
A
Yeah
we
need
about
200
of
them
all
over
the
county,
but
I
appreciate
that
mr
burkel,
that
it's
really
good
to
hear
that
you're
out
in
front
on
all
of
that,
thank
you
and
with
that
I
think
we
are
finished
with
the
budget
hearings.
I
know
lynn
sanchez
is
with
us
to
talk
about
the
amendments.
A
A
A
E
A
question
for
the
chair,
so
I've
been
anxiously
awaiting
an
opportunity
to
find
out
like
that.
Our
next
budget
hearing
includes
it
says
board
of
commissioners,
so
I
was
just
curious.
E
A
Exercise
we're
going
through
with
the
special
projects.
Ideas,
that's
a
piece
of
it.
The
other
piece
of
it
is
the
whole
administration
of
the
board
of
commissioners,
the
normal
stuff.
You
know
our
staff
and
the
building
maintenance,
and
all
of
that,
so
those
are
the
two
pieces
of
it.
We
will
have
a
review
just
like
this
next
week,
right.