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A
C
We
don't
know,
commissioner,
charles
we
know,
is
joining
us
online
right.
A
A
So
this
meeting
of
the
board
of
commissioners
is
specifically
for
budget
hearings.
Today,
our
first
group
is
health
and
human
services.
Welcome.
Thank
you
a
couple
years
yeah.
So,
basically,
what
we've
been
doing
is
you
just
tell
us
what
you
want
to
tell
us,
make
your
presentation
and
then
I'll
open
the
floor
up
to
the
commissioners
to
ask
any
questions.
G
What
your
budget
looks
like
and
how
it's
been
going
great
thanks
for
having
us
so
leanne
stafford,
director
of
health
and
human
services,
and
I
will
let
the
two
individuals
with
me.
These
amazing
people
introduce
themselves.
H
I'll
start:
okay,
shane
buys
manager,
neighborhood
housing,
development,
division.
G
And
we
also
have
on
the
phone
stacy
smith,
which
is
our
administrator
of
fiscal
services
for
the
health
division,
and
she
also
interacts
with
shane
too
over
at
housing,
and
then
we
also
have
with
us,
mr
scott,
for
msue
we're
going
to
talk
about
some
changes
that
are
happening
in
the
budget,
but
we
wanted
to
bring
him
along
just
in
case
you
had
some
additional
questions
right
here.
G
Okay,
we're
going
to
talk
through
it,
so
we're
just
going
to
yeah
come
on
over
yeah
quickly,
just
walk
through
what
our
our
kpis
are.
Our
key
performance
indicators
are
for
the
health
for
health
and
neighborhood
and
housing
development.
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
bring
the
mics.
G
This
better
yeah,
okay,
perfect,
so
you
you
can
see.
This
has
been
a
process
right
that
we
have
worked
on
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
We
each
kind
of
have
our
teams
that
are
central
centered,
either
in
health
or
neighborhood,
housing
and
development.
So
you
can
see
in
health
here
you
know
what
we
do
in
health.
Is
we
really
try
to
look
at
the
lifespan
of
a
person
right,
so
we
start
early
even
as
prior
to
someone
you
know
maybe
having
a
baby
too.
G
You
know
through
the
the
the
anaparum
and
postpartum
right
and
then
how
does
that
baby
do
in
their
first
year
life?
Then
we
do
childhood
young,
adult
all
the
way
to
adults
and
seniors,
and
so
what
you'll
see
as
you
look
through
our
kpis
and
our
actually
service
level,
kpis
is
really
focusing
on
all
those
areas.
G
So
you
can
see
these
are
our
kpis
for
health
and
you,
the
other
part
that
we
really
tried
to
focus
on
when
we
were
developing.
These
is
how
do
they
connect
with
the
oakland
county,
strategic
framework,
priorities
and
goals
as
well?
So
you
can
see
here
on
the
slide
under
each
of
our
health
division
kpis,
which
are
under
the
numbers
we
connected
each
one
of
those,
except
for
the
last
one
to
those
oc
priorities
as
well
and
goals.
G
So
you
know,
a
lot
of
them
are
focused
on
our
priority
projects,
whether
it
would
be
our
you
know,
nfp
project,
which
is
all
about
first-time
moms
to
our
wic,
which
is
all
about.
You
know
how
once
a
child
is
born,
how
do
we
get
their
nutrition
and
the
education
to
their
parents
to
where
we
need
to
be
up
to
year?
Five,
you
know,
how
do
we
get
people
into
routine
checkups
when
they
need
them
so
that
if
there
is
an
access
issue
or
a
funding,
you
know
issue?
G
G
Yes,
health
team
is
focusing
on
this,
so
we're
really
doing
this
department
wide
and
then
one
important
piece
is:
you
know,
really
working
around
elevated
children's
blood
levels
and
really
looking
at
their
lead
levels
and
so
working
on
programs
to
try
to
not
only
reduce,
but
also
just
get
every
child
the
necessary
screening
at
an
early
age
to
see
where
they
stand.
So
that's
what
these
health
kind
of
kpis
are.
Now
we
also
need
the
next
screen.
Oh
you
don't
want
to
go
back
to
that
one
more
sorry.
G
This
is
kind
of
some
of
the
data
that
we'll
be
looking
at.
So
we
try
to
pull.
You
know
data
to
look
across
not
just
an
individual
indicator,
but
the
disparity
in
maybe
an
indicator,
and
so
you
can
see
here
we're
not
just
looking
at
all
we're
looking
at
all
mothers,
but
we're
also
looking
at
how
it's
you
know
how
it's
impacted
based
on
race-
and
you
can
see
here
percentage
of
black
mothers
with
prenatal
care
and,
first
trimester,
it's
significantly
reduced
appear.
G
You
know
compared
to
all
mothers
and
so
what
calandra
and
her
team
does
is
we
try
to
wrap
the
services
in
the
community
around
this
initiative,
so
we
know
health
division.
We
can't
do
it
alone
right.
So
who
are
the
partners
that
we
can
bring
in
to
help
impact
this
this
level,
and
how
do
we
get
it
to
a
closer
gap
or
even
you
know,
reduce
those
levels,
and
so
that's
really
the
focus
around
a
lot
of
our
programs.
I
think
health
does
this
very
well.
We
have
a
lot
of
data.
G
What
we
don't
do
as
well
is
kind
of
talk
about
it
right
we
don't.
Maybe
we
don't
have
indicators
that
we're
showing
on
websites,
but
it
is
something
we
have
a
lot
of
and
that
we
look
to
utilize
to
modify
modify
our
program.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
mandated
programs
and
grants
that
require
us
to
do
certain
things,
but
what
we
really
do
is
we
look
at
the
data?
G
What
does
it
say
to
us
and
how
do
we
need
to
adapt
our
services
for
the
community,
and
so
I
think
it's
something
we
do
very
well
and
we're
continuing
to
do
better,
so
here,
service
level,
kpis
again
a
lot
of
mandated
services
in
the
health
division,
a
lot
of
grant
programs,
but
you
can
see
in
all
we
have
a
hundred
and
one
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
Sorry
101
k,
service
level,
kpis
that
we're
monitoring.
G
So
we
took
each
of
our
services
and
each
of
those
services.
We
said
how
much
of
each
of
these
are
we're
doing
so
we're
going
to
be
displaying
that
on
a
dashboard
for
people
to
see
how
well
are
we
doing
it?
Is
there
if
there's
a
performance
measure
we're
trying
to
meet
how?
How
is
it
going
over
time
is
every?
Is
anyone
better
off?
G
So
the
this
is
how
our
housing,
our
neighborhood
and
housing,
development
and
shane's,
going
to
help
me
with
this
piece,
because
I've
been
less
involved.
So
I'm
going
to
let
him
take
over
here
on
this
one.
H
We,
if
you
look
at
all
those
our
challenge
in
our
division
when
we
were
designing
our
key
performance
indicators,
were
those
metrics
that
were
available
easy
to
get
and
what
outcome
metrics
that
maybe
we
are
not
currently
collecting,
but
we
want
to
start
collecting
and
getting
information
on
that
and
some
of
these
we
have
more
control
over
than
others,
for
example,
percent
of
our
housing
counseling
clients
who
meet
their
housing
goals.
We
have
more
control
over
that
than
say,
for
example,
number
of
refugees
settled
in
oakland
county.
H
Why
might
our
division
be
responsible
for
that
is
because
we
work
on
the
livable
neighborhoods
goal
that
has
some
food
assistance
and
some
refugee
assistance
part
of
that
as
well.
Our
community
liaison
is
heavily
involved
in
those
conversations,
but
although
we
might
not
have
direct
control
over
the
number
of
refugees
that
settle
in
oakland
county,
I
think
it's
important
that.
Why
or
why
not?
Are
refugees
deciding
to
settle
in
oakland
county?
H
That
invites
a
broader
conversation
that
we
can
then
talk
about.
Well,
where
is
that
control?
What
are
our
goals?
You
know
that
kind
of
a
thing,
so
our
kpis,
unlike
health,
you
know-
has
a
mix
of
indirect
and
direct
control,
but
these
are
all
very
valuable
conversations
to
be
be
getting
as
we
move
on
with
our
strategic
planning.
H
And
some
of
our
service
level
kpis,
you
know,
for
example,
affordable
housing,
development,
housing
trust
fund,
we're
standing
that
up
right
now
we
currently
have
the
manager
and
coordinator
positions
posted
online.
Those
are
part-time
positions,
we're
currently
looking
for
those,
and
these
all
generally
follow
our
services
that
we
have
available
now,
as
you
can
see,
we're
a
smaller
division.
We
have,
you
know
less
services
that
we
concentrate
on
on
community
development.
H
H
Last
spring
we
came,
and
we
had
a
conversation
about
establishing
that
framework
for
the
housing
trust
fund,
with
an
annual
general
fund
investment,
in
addition
to
some
regular
arpa
funding.
One
time,
arpa
funding,
that's
going
to
be
managed
by
the
housing
trust
fund
as
well
and
again
this
goes
to
directly
helping
to
move
the
needle
move,
the
metric
on
percentage
of
people
who
spend
more
than
30
percent
on
their
housing
costs
and
needs,
and
that
is
the
general
broad
nationwide
metric
as
far
as
what
housing
burden
is
30
of
your
gross
income.
H
If
you
spend
more
than
that,
you're
considered
housing
burden.
Now,
if
you
get
down
any
individual
situation,
you
know,
maybe
29
is
housing
burden
depending
upon
the
situations,
maybe
somebody
who's,
31
percent
you
know
goes
to
their
housing
costs,
really
isn't
that
housing
burden
it
all
kind
of
depends
upon
somebody's
individual
situation,
but
as
far
as
a
broad
metric
across
the
entire
nation.
This
is
the
standard.
This
is
what
the
agent.
This
is,
what
all
agencies
measure
and
compare
by.
G
Okay,
so
this
is
a
couple
things
we
just
wanted
to
talk
through
is
in
the
health
division.
We
are
deleting
two
vacant
pt
and
e
positions,
so
these
are
positions
that
are
not
needed
any
longer,
and
so
they
are
vacant.
So
we
are
taking
those
out
of
our
budget,
but
a
big
change
in
health
and
human
services
is
really
around
our
msue
division,
and
so
what
we're
looking
to
do
here
is
the
changes
are
only
happening.
We're
not
getting
rid
of
msue
they're
still
going
to
be
a
great
partner
of
the
counties.
G
Ed-
and
I
have
become
very
good
partners-
is
we're
just
changing
how
we're
funding
positions
for
msue,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
provide
some
operational
costs,
we're
still
going
to
help
them
with
their
some
of
their
phone
system
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
offer
them
space
here
at
the
county,
where
they'll
continue
to
offer
their
services.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
deleting
five
county
funded
positions
and
we're
giving
them
the
funding
for
those
positions
in
our
professional
services
contract.
G
So
what
ended
up
happening
is
over
the
last
couple
years,
and
this
is
where
ed
needs
to
jump
in
is
the
programs
have
changed,
how
they
offer
their
services
applications
that
we
utilize
in
msue
are
actually
msu
application
applications,
so
our
employees
are
not
even
operating
or
maybe
assisting
but
they're,
not
entering
into
county
funded
systems,
applications
even
credit
card
machines,
even
cash
machines,
cash
registers,
they're
all
msue.
So
we
thought
with
the
new
contract
because
we
have
to
do
a
new
contract.
G
It
was
the
best
time
to
give
them
the
funding
to
be
able
to
hire
the
positions
with
msue
and
actually
is
a
bit
of
a
savings
for
the
county
to
do
it
in
this
direction,
because
our
county
positions
actually
make
a
little
bit
more
than
when
they
hire
them
in
at
msue.
So
the
five
positions
that
we're
deleting,
because
I
know
everyone,
those
employees
are
not
going
away.
They
actually
have
homes,
we
have
positions
for
them
in
the
health
division.
So
knowing
this
transition
was
going
to
happen,
we
kept
vacant.
G
C
And
I
can
is
my
microphone
on.
Okay,
I
can
just
maybe
share
a
little
bit
more
of
the
history.
C
We've
been
in
a
position
for
a
number
of
years,
probably
close
to
a
decade
where
we
have
had
several
individuals
who
are
county,
employed
individuals
working
in
our
office
and
as
positions
have
been
vacated
through
retirement
or
people.
Moving
on
to
other
opportunities,
we've
sought
the
funds
for
those
positions
to
transition
those
over
into
msu
extension
positions.
C
Now
we
looked
at
this
as
a
good
opportunity
to
sort
of
rip
the
band-aid
off
and
we
looked
for
ways.
First
of
all,
it
was
a
priority
for
me
that
nobody
end
up
without
a
position
right.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
had
a
place
to
land,
but
also
we
looked
for
ways
to
make
sure
that
this
was
budget
neutral
and,
in
fact,
I
think,
we're
coming
out
on
the
positive.
A
Okay,
commissioner,
moss.
F
So
I
just
just
to
be
sure
in
this
case,
msu
extension
is
essentially
an
outside
contractee
with
the
county,
and
you
are.
We
are
deleting
county
positions
to
fund
an
outside
outside
vendor
contractor
that
sounds
good
to
you
know
to
do
those
services
you're,
essentially
outsourcing
it.
G
In
a
way,
yes
yeah,
so
they'll
still
offer
oakland
county.
It's
like
the
gypsy
moth
program
that
you
all
contract
with
with
msue
right
same
idea,
they'll
be
doing
the
work
for
oakland
county
it'll,
just
be
a
contract
position,
correct
good.
A
F
K
And
I
for
sure,
a
big
supporter
of
the
health
department,
so
I
wanted
to
be
here,
but
I'm
also
a
big
supporter
of
mr
scott
and
msu
extension,
and
I've
worked
extensively
with
the
extension.
So
I
just
want
to
be
sure.
I
understand
this
change
that
there
are
still
your
contract
is
still
going
to
be
with
msu,
yes
and
one
other
person.
K
C
No,
no,
no,
so
the
the
way
that
oakland,
county
and
msu
have
been
in
relationship
and
in
partnership
is
through
the
professional
services
contract
process.
G
Doing
more
employees
prior
to
now
we're
just
taking
these
additional
employees
and
making
them
all
msu,
so
there
had
already
been
some
transition
before.
So
we
had
three
employees
prior
to
this
that
were
oakland
county
employees
and
we
took
and
we
made
them
msue
paid
msue
as
part
of
the
professional
services
contract.
So
now
the
remainder
of
the
positions
that
are
county
funded
positions
will
be
deleting
those
and
giving
them
the
money
to
hire
as
msue.
G
G
Example,
so
robin
is
actually
going
to
become
a
member
of
the
health
division.
So
robin
is
a
health
educator
in
health
division.
She
would
be
called
a
health
educator,
so
she
will
be
joining
our
health
education
unit
in
the
health
division.
Doing
many
of
the
same
things,
she's
already
doing,
working
with
seniors
she's
going
to
be
working
with
echo,
which
she
does
now
senior
project
fresh,
hop,
she's,
a
big
member
of
hop.
She
will
continue
to
do
those
but
she'll
be
in
the
health
division,
doing
those
things
so.
K
K
But
I
really
want
to
call
out
rob
and
danta,
because
the
work
that
she's
done
with
msu
extension,
I
mean
with
how
the
hop
committee
through
msu
extension,
has
been
she's
she's
one
of
a
kind,
and
I
certainly
hope
that
her
responsibilities
stay
and
that
we
don't
lose
her
on
the
healthy
oakland
partnership
committee.
She.
J
A
Do
you
have
more,
you
want
to
add?
Well
just.
G
If
you
want
to
maybe
ask
some
questions
after,
but
I
think
at
this
point
you
all
have
kind
of
gone
through
that
so
response
to
public
health
emergencies.
This
has
been
a
big
one.
G
Six
years
I
say
poor
calandra,
I
don't
say
poor
clander,
but
she
came
in
and
she's
been
hit
with.
You
know,
really
covet
and
then
monkey
pox
and
we're
watching.
You
know
we're
watching
many
things
across
the
board
as
they
as
they
come.
But
you
know
that
has
to
be
one
of
our
number
one
priorities,
and
so
even
flu
right
watching
for
flu
every
year
and
how
we
respond
to
that
increasing
vaccination
rates.
G
If
clander
wants
to
kind
of
expand
on
this,
but
just
basically
since
covid
and
some
of
the
distrust
in
vaccines,
we've
seen
a
significant
dip
in
vaccination
rates
in
kids-
and
this
is
very
you
know,
scary,
and
that
just
shows
new
york.
You
know
new
york
recently
had
you
know,
has
a
scare
that
we're
watching
very
closely
for
polio
an
eradicated
disease.
So
do
you
want
to
maybe
touch
on
this?
A
little
bit.
I
G
I
I
I
The
radar,
as
we
look
at
the
lifespan,
we're
very
proud
of
the
programs
that
we
currently
have
in
place
at
the
health
division
and
we're
expanding
upon
those
programs
to
look
at
pregnant
mothers
and
follow
them
all
the
way
through
three
years
of
life
through
multiple
programs
through
oakland
county
through
the
health
division,
we
still
are
seeing
a
significant
reduction
and
or
increase
in
infant
mortality.
I
When
you
look
at
us
as
prosperity,
region
10,
which
includes
detroit
macomb
and
oakland,
but
if
you
were
to
pull
out
oakland
county
oakland
county
is
actually
doing
better
than
the
state
in
terms
of
infant
mortality
rates.
But
if
you
d
dive
a
little
bit
deeper
and
you
pull
out
southville
and
you
pull
out
pontiac,
there's
still
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
us
to
prevent,
prevent
these
deaths
and
our
infants,
and
so
that's
something
that
has
really
been
on
the
horizon.
I
We've
been
trying
to
get
more
out
in
the
community
and
talking
and
working
with
our
community
centers,
because
we
know
a
lot
of
our
seniors
are
raising
their
grandkids
and
great
grandkids.
We've
been
getting
that
message
out
with
our
pastors
in
both
the
pontiac
and
the
southville
area,
to
talk
about
how
they
can
take
advantage
of
these
free
programs
to
have
a
nurse
most
recently
we're
working
with
the
organization
called
black
mothers
breastfeeding
association.
I
They
are
looking
to
provide
doula
training
in
the
city
of
pontiac
to
kind
of
mirror
what
they're
doing
in
the
city
of
detroit.
That
program
was
pushed
to
january,
but
I
was
just
out
last
night
talking
with
one
of
the
churches
and
the
mayor
was
there
as
well,
and
I
was
able
to
put
a
plug
in
a
little
bit
for
the
doula
training,
and
I
had
two
people,
two
people
that
I
know
in
the
city
of
pontiac
one.
I
I
went
to
school
with
one
who
used
to
work
for
me
in
the
hospital
system
as
lpn.
So
we
know
that
there
is
urgency.
We
know
that
there
is
a
need
out
there.
We
know
that
people
are
very
interested
and
infant
mortality
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
african
and
hispanic
populations
to
increase
those
rates.
I
think
we
have
great
opportunities
to
improve
those
numbers
and
prevent
those
deaths
from
from
occurring
as
it
relates
to
a
communicable
disease.
I
I
thought
that
we
were
really
moving
in
the
right
direction,
as
in
terms
of
covakovic
is
still
around.
Covet
is
milder
for
folks
that
have
been
vaccinated
and
vaccine
is
widely
available
for
folks
that
want
it.
We've
been
spending
really
the
summer
working
with
the
cdc
in
the
state
and
talking
about
processes
and
strategies
for
vaccine
hazards.
Hesitancy
that
we're
seeing
oakland
county
did
fairly
well.
I
When
we
look
at
our
age
groups,
what
we
can
see
right
now
is
that
that
six
month,
through
four
years,
which
is
the
newest
vaccine
availability
for
the
younger
children
or
in
babies,
we're
really
not
seeing
a
whole
lot
of
vaccine.
Oakland
county
itself
has
done
about
seven
percent
of
the
eligible
population.
I
That
does
not
include
those
that
are
being
vaccinated
through
their
pediatricians
offices
and
other
clinical
providers,
but
we're
seeing
very
low
numbers,
as
we
did
see
in
the
5
to
11
age
group
as
well.
We
saw
about
43
percent
of
that
population
being
vaccinated.
I
So
communicable
disease
is
is
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
on
our
radar
to
make
sure
that
we
are
providing
good
guidance,
sound
guidance
guidance
that
are
going
to
help
schools
and
prepare
their
emergency
plans
as
they
go
back
into
the
classroom
and
also
continue
that
relationship
with
school
bus.
Presidents,
as
we've
done
over
the
last
two
years,
so
polio
leanne
mentioned
polio.
We
haven't
heard
about
that
since
sometime
in
the
70s.
I
We
have
done
a
lot
of
vaccine
clinics
in
our
communities
all
across
the
county.
We
stopped
and
shifted
from
providing
cova
vaccine
and
having
a
single
focus
to
having
a
multi-focus,
and
when
we
go
out
to
any
clinics,
we
bring
all
presentations
of
those
vaccines.
We
look
at
it
as
the
whole
community
again
that
lifespan.
So
if
it's
the
child,
that's
going
to
be
vaccinated
because
they're
going
to
school,
we're
also
asking
the
questions
of
who
do
you
have
with
you
today?
I
You
have
mom
and
dad
grandma
with
you
and
we
look
them
up
as
well
and
provide
their
vaccine
as
well
anything
that
they're
missing
again
targeted
messaging
to
get
people
to
really
again
trust
in
these
vaccines
and
deal
with
that
hesitancy
issue.
It's
a
hard
nut
to
crack
and
I
think
every
community
is
different
and
how
they
view
it,
and
some
of
what
we
need
to
do
is
prepare
targeted
messaging
for
our
audiences
that
we're
trying
to
serve.
I
F
I
got
a
couple
yeah.
Let's
talk
about
talk
about
health
you're
talking
about
monkey
pox.
This
reminds
me
of
this
is
starting
to
remind
me
of
40
years
ago,
where
there's
a
strange
new
disease,
a
gay
men
are
getting,
and
I
don't
like
it
one
little
bit,
but
thank
god,
people
aren't
dying
from
it,
which
thank
god,
but
this
you
know
this
sounds
to
me.
You
know
very
horribly
familiar.
F
What
are
what
is
the
oakland
county
public
health,
doing
about
communicating
how
you
get
it,
how
you
keep
from
getting
it
and
getting
it
to
the
right
people,
because
we
wasted
too
much
time
in
the
80s
monkey
screwing
around
until
the
thing
actually
became
became
horrible.
So
how
are
we
trying
to
nip
this
in
the
bud.
I
Yeah,
absolutely
that's
a
great
question
and
I
think
that
we're
taking
a
tiered
approach
and
so
one,
let
me
preface
it
by
saying
that
this
illness
is
typically
what
we're
seeing
it
is
in
the
msm
community,
which
is
men
report
having
sex
with
men.
All
of
the
cases
that
we
have
seen
in
oakland
county,
which
we
have
17
cases
for
our
county,
which
matches
detroit.
They
have
17
cases
as
well,
and
that
was
as
a
friday.
All
of
these
cases
have
been
male
and
men
who
report
having
sex
with
men.
I
I
One
of
the
things
that
we've
done
is
we've
started
a
task
force,
so
oakland
county
health
division
created
a
task
force,
we're
working
with
the
folks
that
affirmations
who
we
already
have
a
connection
with
dr
benson,
who
oversees
the
bewell
clinic,
who
also
oversees,
who
prescribes
prep
for
individuals
that
have
reported
msm.
I
We
designed
clinics,
in
which
we
are
offering
monkey
pox
vaccines
at
our
health
division
five
days
a
week
and
we're
also
out
at
affirmations,
which
is
in
the
center
of
royal
oak.
Excuse
me
ferndale
area
and
we're
out
there
providing
vaccine
as
well.
Our
task
force
includes
state
representatives
as
well,
so
dr
beck
desiree,
who
is
the
chief
at
the
state
level,
sits
on
our
task
force
as
well
as
other
community
partners,
including
some
emergency
emergency
room
physicians
as
well.
I
The
hard
part
of
this
is
that
the
vaccine
came
from
the
strategic
national
stockpile,
so
this
vaccine
is
not
currently
in
production
being
produced.
We
are
working
with
both
state
and
federal
partners
to
really
talk
about
the
urgency
in
producing
this
vaccine
so
that
we
can
eradicate
this
and
really
contain
the
spread
of
it.
To
date,
we
became
a
hub.
Oakland
county
serves
as
one
of
five
hubs
across
the
county
to
receive
and
redistribute
vaccine
for
those
individuals
who
need
vaccine.
I
It
could
be
clinical
partners
and
right
now,
that's
the
only
people
that
are
actually
providing
a
genius
which
is
the
vaccine
for
monkey
pox.
Initially,
we
started
out
with
messaging
from
the
state
that
genios
was
a
two-dose
serial
series
given
28
days
apart,
and
they
asked
for
us
to
do
a
delayed
vaccine
administration,
meaning
we
gave
one
dose
and
then
more.
The
second
dose
will
be
given
when
more
vaccine
was
widely
available.
I
We
have
gotten
over
a
thousand
doses
of
genio
since
the
beginning
of
this.
I
wouldn't
call
it
a
surge,
but
since
since
our
first
case
in
oakland
county,
we
have
put
over
800
shots
in
arms
for
those
that
identify
with
msm
or
have
high
risk
factors
where
they
have
been
at
a
known
geological
location
where
having
multiple
sex
partners
has
been
identified.
We
don't
ask
people
to
attest
to
any
of
these
things
if
they
meet
one
of
those
criterias
we're
vaccinating
them.
We
have
just
set
up
a
gis
map
when
we
look
at
our
numbers.
I
We're
not
only
vaccinating
people
in
oakland
county,
but
this
information
through
this
group
travels
very
fast
and
so
we've
had
people
come
from
canada
to
get
vaccinated
because
vaccine
is
not
available.
There.
We've
vaccinated
people
in
counties
outside
of
oakland
county.
I
would
say
that
oakland
county
is
a
front-runner
just
because
of
my
communications
with
folks
at
the
state
level
and
the
other
hubs
who
have
vaccine
that
we
are
in
ahead
of
what
everyone
else
is
doing
in
terms
of
our
strategies
to
contain
the
spread
of
this.
I
Now,
the
cdc
has
come
out
with
a
recommendation
that
this
vaccine
can
now
be
changed
from
a
subcutaneous
which
is
giving
it
in
the
fatty
part
of
the
arm,
not
in
the
muscle
like
we
do
with
covet,
and
we
can
give
it
intradermal.
So,
if
you've
ever
gotten
a
tb
shot,
it
goes
right
underneath
the
skin
layer,
the
surface
layer,
and
so
that
is
going
to
expand
and
extend
our
amount
to
vaccinate
multiple
people.
I
So
you
take
one
vial
that
we
were
given
as
a
sub-q,
and
you
can
split
that
now
between
five
people,
and
so
we
have
a
task
force
meeting
that
meets
bi-weekly.
We
are
very
serious
about
being
in
the
community.
Our
next
steps,
of
course,
are
the
state
has
planned
to
extend,
who
should
be
vaccinated,
but
we
haven't
seen
any
cases.
What
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
now
is
congregate,
settings
and
so
we're
working
with
the
jail
we've
created
some
eligibility
for
criteria
for
the
gel
as
well.
I
G
And
one
thing
it
has
in
other
areas:
we,
I
think,
there's
seven
kids
in
the
u.s
that
have
they've
been
diagnosed
with
monkey
pox.
At
this
time
we
have
not
seen
any
in
oakland,
so.
A
F
Commissioner,
moss
well
yeah
because
you
know,
if
you
can,
we
can
nip
this
thing
in
the
bud.
The
you
know
the
the
playbook,
if
you
will,
is
still
all
there
and
it
took
until
what
87
88
to
really
get
get
going
and
get
past
all
the
crap
and
dealing
with
aids
and
a
lot
of
people
died
in
the
meantime,
people
we
know
so
I
would
like
to
you
know
whatever
your
urgency
is,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'd,
say
double
it.
F
Now,
let's
go
to
polio,
I
belong
to
rotary
and
well
three
or
four
years
ago
I
was
like
yeah.
Really
we
got
it
basically
eradicated,
except
in
you
know
way
in
afghanistan
and
pakistan
and
northern
nigeria,
and
it's
like
yeah.
You
know
it's
just
a
matter
of
time.
Now.
You've
got
it
in
new
york.
For
god's
sake,
how
do
we
know
how
that
happened?
Number
one
and
number
two.
What
are
we
doing
about
it
and
how
are
we
doing
here
to
keep
it
from
coming
here.
G
Yeah,
so
I
know
I
was
on
vacation
and
I
saw
the
article
come
in
about
new
york
and
we
quickly
jumped
on
communications
right,
so
we
were
watching
how
measles
right
came
to
how
we
got
our
first
case
in
michigan,
and
so
we,
the
partners
that
we
gained
as
in
measles,
we
utilized
those
same
partners
and
we
started
communicating
immediately
in
those
communities
right.
So
kate
guzman
is
our
administrator
over
medical
services.
She
has
amazing
partners
in
the
community.
G
We
started
working
with
hatzala
in
our
one
of
our
jewish
communities
in
oak
park
and
also
in
south
field,
and
we
started
talking
about
what
we
needed
to
do.
Let's
start
encouraging
people
to
make
sure
they're
updated
on
their
vaccines
right
if
they
weren't
sure
how
do
we
get
them
vaccinated,
and
so
we
jumped
as
soon
as
that
first
case
came
out.
G
We
understand
the
urgency
of
these
at
this
point
because
we
saw
how
quickly
covid
went,
and
so
we
really
focus
on
our
partnerships
that
we've
gained
over,
and
we
start
talking
about
that,
and
so
we
have-
and
she
has
really
been
focused
on
that
initiative,
and
so
we
are
closely
watching
it.
We
have
amazing
epidemiologists
that
watch
this
very
closely
and
work
with
us
on
how
we
can
move
forward
if
we
need
to
at
this
point
we're
watching
and
preparing
so.
F
Thank
you,
and
just
one
more.
This
is
deep
into
the
line
items.
I
noticed
that
travel
and
conferences
and
things
you're,
you're
kind
of
seem
to
be
getting
rid
of
those.
F
This
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
good
time
to
be
turning
inward.
I
would
you
know
if
it's
just
my
own
two
cents
worth,
I
would
be
going
to
more
and
more
and
more
conferences
and
things
just
to
be
able
to
get
your
hands
around
what
is
going
on
and
what
other
people
are
doing,
because
you
know
these
these
things
popping
up.
I
don't
I
don't
like
they.
You
know
they.
They
are
particularly
the
monkey
boxes.
Quite
scary,
remember
aids
and
polio.
F
I
mean
seriously
so
you
know
you're
not
just
about
you're,
not
just
human
services,
you're,
also
healthy
yeah,.
G
G
So
really
we
looked
across
the
board,
knowing
we
needed
to
cut
right
at
some
places
and
still
allowed
a
lot
of
opportunity
where
people
can
go
and
really
focusing
on
virtual
because
again
traveling,
you
have
a
larger
exposure
of
getting
coveted
right
and
that
takes
them
out
of
the
workforce,
and
so
we
still
allow
for
that
type
of
travel.
But
we
really
have
tried
to
pull
it
back
a
little
bit.
D
D
My
next
observation
is
to
mr,
mr
I'm
missing
my
name
tags
now,
mr
moss's
point
about
many
things
that
you
do.
I
think
it's
also
important
to
know
beyond.
Just
human
services
is
like
you're
involved
in
air
beaches
for
some
reason:
body,
art,
campground,
campground,
inspection
classes,
food
safety,
sewage
disposal
and
septic
shelter,
program,
swimming
pools
well
and
water
services.
D
That's
a
ton
right
there
and
what's
a
little
concerning
is
that
for
the
first
time
in
a
long
time
your
numbers
are
below
457
people
and
personnel,
and
so
when
we
think
about
like
food
safety,
which
is
one
of
the
things
when
people
say
well,
what
does
the
county
do?
One
of
my
first
things
is
like
food
safety.
Folks,
can
you
speak
to
that?
D
Just
in
terms
of
do
you
have
enough
support
in
that
area
to
keep
us
all
health
and
safe,
healthy
and
safe
when
we're
eating
in
these
establishments,
and
in
closing
I
just
appreciate
your
facebook
and
twitter
pages
are
both
very
vibrant
and
alive
and
relevant
and
timely.
So
that's
that's
my
comments
in
question.
G
The
county
is
going
to
launch
the
dashboard,
and
so
we
will
be
participating
in
that
with
the
service
level
kpis
and
be
able
to
provide
that
information
and
those
service
level
kpis
food
service
across
the
board
we
have
utilized
for
covid,
and
we
we
do
have
some
funding
this
year.
That
allows
us
to
really
focus
on
all
communicable
diseases.
G
We
have
used
contracted
staff,
it's
easy
to
bring
them
in
for
maybe
five
months
right,
because
it
might
be
a
short
time,
short-term
focus.
We
did
this
a
lot
with
covid,
because
it
was
very
hard
to
find
individuals
that
maybe
wanted
to
work
full-time.
Maybe
they
just
wanted
a
small,
a
project
to
work
with
us.
So
so
yes,
food
service,
one
of
our
highest
priorities,
because
we
know
how
that
can
really
impact
the
community.
We
just
over
actually
coveted
hired
new
sanitarians
that
came
in
helped
us
with
covid.
G
Now
we're
training
them
to
get
them
back.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
training
that
goes
into
someone
before
they
can
do
a
food
inspect
inspection
by
themselves
and
so
bringing
them
up
to
speed
takes
months
so
we're
getting.
I
think
it's
six
or
seven
new
sanitarians,
which
are
our
food
inspectors
up
to
speed
and
they'll,
be
out
providing
that
service,
but
I
have
to
say
our
environmental
health
staff.
They
pick
up
the
slack
as
needed
when
they
know
someone.
You
know
those
foods
establishments
don't
go
on
uninspected
every
six
months.
G
G
One
of
I
say
one
of
the
best
communication
teams
when
it
comes
to
public
health
that
exists
they're
on
top
of
it
they're
providing
this
weekend
with
the
water
main
break
to
the
wixom
spill,
and
then
the
plethora
of
services
that
we
offer
making
sure
they
get
that
information
up
there
they're
they're
pretty
much.
They
go,
I
think
24
7
on
the
on
our
social
media
pages,
so
excellent.
A
Yeah
commissioner
mcgilvery
followed
by
commissioner
covell,
and
we
got
about
two
minutes
for
all
of
this,
so.
B
G
So
one
of
the
county-wide
goals
is-
and
I
have
to
get
to
it,
so
I
don't
misspeak
is
the
sorry
here.
It
is
one
of
the
county
golds.
The
strategic
goals
is
ensuring
access
to
parks
and
rec
transportation
and
healthy
food.
So
it
actually
falls
in
that
children
who
are
food
insecure
into
that
healthy
food
goal.
G
B
H
Well,
I
think
of
a
big
wonderful
first
step
is
the
approval
of
the
housing
trust
fund
and
the
framework
and
getting
that
stood
up,
and
that's
something
that
we
can
directly.
You
know
add
to
some
affordable
housing
stock
within
the
county.
Now
can
do.
Are
there
enough
resources
that
we
have
direct
control
over?
For
you
know,
building
and
creating
affordable
housing
stock
here
at
the
county?
H
No,
we
don't.
So
what
else
can
we
do?
Well,
it's
then,
looking
at
conversations
with
other
policy
makers
or
developers
what
are
their
barriers
to
making
more
affordable
housing
that
they
might
want
to
make
and
kind
of
helping
to
convene
those
conversations
and
bring
people
together
and
kind
of
putting
you
know
a
voice
locally
around
what
those,
where
are
those
levers
that
we
can
help
to
encourage,
affordable
housing
development
outside
of
our
direct
funding
for
certain
affordable
housing,
develop
projects
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing?
H
There
is
no
silver
bullet.
You
know
it's
a
combination
of
things.
For
example,
if
wages
were
able
to
be
increased
workforce
development,
they
would
increase
their
household
income
and
salary,
thus
making
them
less
housing
burden,
and
so
there's
different
places
to
help
kind
of
put
a
thumb
on
a
scale
a
little
bit
to
approve
those
and,
for
example,
partnering
with
workforce
development,
coordinating
with
what
they're
doing
to
help
improve
the
workforce
and
the
salaries
bringing
in
it's
those
kinds
of
partnerships.
Those
kinds
of
conversations
outside
of
what
our
direct
individual
programs
are.
A
L
So
well,
I
guess
one
commissioner,
charles
kind
of
was
asking
us
about
sanitary,
stuff
and
food,
but
are
there
any
things
in
your
budgets
respectively
that
you
would
have
wanted,
but
you
didn't
get
and
it's
going
to
impact
the
way
you
do
your
job.
J
G
No,
I
mean
I
can
say
across
the
board.
I
think
we
have
done
very
well
to
prioritize
and
work
with
the
executive
team
to
get
all
the
items
that
we
need.
They.
You
know,
we,
I
think
we're
lucky
that
we
have
some
great
grant
funding
and
I'm
talking
about
health,
because
maybe
shane
has
some
items
that
he
would
like
to
talk
about,
but
really
really
looking
at
what
the
priorities
are
for
the
county
right
and
the
mandates
that
we
have.
I
think
I
feel
like
we're
in
really
good
shape,
so.
H
I
I
mean
again
most
of
our
budget.
90
of
our
budget
is
special
revenue,
and
that
is
largely
dictated
by
you
know
certain
things
that
we
have
to
do
for
hud
to
be
able
to
expend
that
money,
appropriately,
etc,
and
so
those
services
and
those
projects
and
those
activities
and
funding
streams.
We
had
the
individuals
who
had
the
positions
to
be
able
to
facilitate
those
projects,
the
housing
trust
fund.
We
asked
for
a
couple
part-time
positions.
H
We
got
that
we're
going
to
find
some
good
people
and
staff
that
up
and
then
I
think,
really
our
next
step
within
our
division
is,
as
we
start
to
implement
some
of
these
new
things
that
the
division
has
never
done.
How
is
that
working
out?
Do
we
need
to
come
back
and
ask
for
more,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
are
with
our
stage
is,
is
assessing
just
as
we
stand
up
and
implement
these
programs.
H
Just
is
the
workload
exactly
what
we're
envisioning,
that
it
was,
and
we
ultimately
won't
really
know
if
that
is
or
not
until
we
actually
start
to
kind
of
have
the
rubber
meet
the
road
so
to
speak.
L
Okay
and
last
question
real
quick,
which
is
so
some
communities
come
out
and
tech
about
talk
about
gun,
violence.
Being
like
a
public
health
crisis,
I
mean:
where
do
you
all
stand
on
that?
How
is
that
a
part
of
your
consciousness
and
work
related
to
public
health.
G
Okay,
so
we
have
some
partnerships
that
focus
around
this,
so
I
think
maybe
you've
talked
to
hannah
cassisi
right
or
a
couple
of
you
had
she
really
works
on
our
harm
reduction
areas,
and
so
it
is
something
that
we're
focused
on.
We
work
with
partners
in
the
community
right
to
you
know
safely
lock
up,
you
know
guns,
and
so,
if
that's
something
you'd
be
interested
in,
you
know
reaching
out
to,
I
could
connect
you
to
and
she
could
kind
of
go
through
what
the
partnership
is
doing
at
this
time,
cool,
okay,.
A
A
Nobody
today,
apparently
and
they're
just
I
mean
that's
a
significant
part
of
what
you
do
and
I
see
it's
kind
of
mentioned
in
a
few
of
the
101
kpis
relative
to
that.
So
I
guess
you
know
maybe
we'd
like
to
hear
from
environmental
health
a
little
bit
more
okay,
because
they're
just
kind
of
not
represented
here
today.
Okay,.
G
So
really,
you
know
we
have
about
five
areas
in
the
health
division
right,
not
just
environmental
health,
but
some
of
the
nurses.
So
that's
the
area
I
came
from.
That's
probably
the
area
I
know
the
most
about
because
that's
I
was
in
environmental
health
where
we
started
so
knowing
that
we
can
answer
probably
most
of
the
questions
you
have
and
then,
if
not
always
bringing
tony
back
or
connecting
you
with
tony
or
mark
if
needed,
but
thank
you
for
that
all
right.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
M
Powell,
so
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
seeing
all
of
the
prenatal
care
billboards
and
stuff,
so
I
just
want
to
know
how
is
that
program
going
and
did
you
all
do
the
extra
billboards
marketing
to
kind
of
increase
this
program
or
what
was
the
the
science
behind
that
sure.
I
I
The
reason
why
you
see
the
billboards
is
because,
during
covert
over
the
last
two
years,
we
saw
a
referral
base
going
down
for
our
program
and
we
really
wanted
to
put
some
energy
behind
it
all,
because
we
know
that
we
still
have
a
significant
need
in
pontiac
to
reduce
infant
mortality
and
preventable
deaths,
and
so
we
really
put
some
strategies
behind
it.
You
will
see
those
not
only
in
billboards
but
you'll,
see
those
flyers
in
grocery
stores
and
barber
shops.
I
We
didn't
have
a
easy
way
for
folks
to
get
a
hold
of
us.
We
didn't
have
outreach
like
we're
having
now
and
being
present
in
the
community
and
talking
about
these
programs.
I
was
saying
before
you
came
here.
I
left
flyers
at
prospect
missionary
baptist
church
last
night
as
part
of
the
district
7
meeting.
I
just
hopped
in
just
to
talk
to
folks
about
it.
We
have
been
reaching
out
to
moms.
We
have
not
looked
at
dads.
I
understand,
there's
some
dad
programs
out
there
as
well.
I
We
need
to
be
reaching
out
to
dads
that
take
advantage
of
this
program
for
their
loved
ones
as
well,
and
also
you
know
we're
putting
a
pitching
for
grandmothers
and
great-grandmothers
who
we
know
are
supporting
and
helping
to
raise
their
grandkids
and
great
grandkids
to
take
advantage
of
this
free
programming.
I
So
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
we're
just
trying
to
really
increase
our
referral
base.
We'd
love
to
be
able
to
turn
people
away,
because
we
have
our
case
lows
at
max,
but
our
case
loads
are
not
at
max
and
we
need
to
do
more.
We
need
to
have
a
bigger
footprint
in
the
community
in
order
to
raise
those
referrals
in
order
to
really
reduce
infant
mortality.
M
You
know
what
they
did,
but
if
you
ever
need
a
commissioner
or
just
a
mom
to
advocate
or
tell
my
story
yeah,
I
would
strongly
encourage
that
because,
as
a
mother,
even
though
I
had
a
great
mom,
my
mother
is
deaf
and
there
is
some
challenges
in
the
communication
just
her
trying
to
teach
me
to
be
a
mom
right,
but
that
nurse,
let
me
tell
y'all
something
this
program
is
out
of
sight
and
remember.
I
know
I
say
this
all
the
time
when
y'all
come
before
us.
M
If
I
ever
got
to
advocate
for
funding
for
us
to
keep
program,
we're
going
to
keep
this
nursing
program
because
it
helped
me
out
tremendously
as
a
young
mother
and
I'm
so
happy
calendar
you're
on
it,
because,
yes,
our
city,
do
need
it
we're
both
products
of
pontiac
and
so
I'm
always
interested
in
this
program.
Okay,
so
I
do
want
to
give
that
offering.
So
if
y'all
ever
want
me
to
speak
to
mamas
or
anything,
I'm
all
for
it,
because
I
think
that
is
a
phenomenal
program.
M
It
helped
me
out
tremendously
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
don't
know
as
a
new
mom
and
it
was
a
wonderful
program.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
then
my
only
other
question
is.
I
see
to
be
it
because
I'm
on
the
board
for
osha-
and
I
see
that
we're
opening
that
are
there-
are
we
just
looking
to
go
with
another
program
for
the
week
program,
services
or
what's
what's
come
behind
that
and
sorry
for
my
heartiness
today.
G
So
what
that
is
is
every
five
years
we
have
to
look
for
someone
to
deliver
the
wic
services
so
in
in
the
field
remotely.
So
we
just
put
it
out
also
got
it
five
years
ago.
Probably
we'll
get
it
again,
but
we,
you
know,
we
don't
know
who
the
new
partners
are
in
the
community.
So
we
go
out
for
rfp
and
you
know
they
go
through
the
criteria
and
we'll
select
who's.
M
A
My
only
question-
and
I
won't
belabor
this,
but
I
live
out
on
the
far
west
side
and
a
lot
of
this
conversation
is
about
pontiac
and
southfield,
and
I
know
that's
where
the
greatest
need
is,
but
we
have
poverty
all
over
the
county
so
tucked
away
and
where
I
live,
it's
tucked
away.
You
know
it's
not
so
obvious
it
might
be
in
the
mobile
home
parks
or
it
might
be.
You
know
in
the
really
rural
areas,
so
my
question
would
be.
A
How
do
you
find
clients
out
in
those
areas,
and
I
don't
even
necessarily
need
an
answer
today,
because
we're
trying
to
move
this
along,
but
it's
something
I
would
like
you
to
think
about
and
and
consider
because
I
do
think
wherever
you
are
in
the
county.
There's
poverty.
There
are
new
moms
that
need
help,
and
how
do
you
reach
those
clients
that
aren't
in
the
targeted
urban
areas
so.
I
I
thank
you
for
that
and
I'll
just
say
that
I
know
we
talk
a
lot
about.
You
know
pontiac,
but
we
we're
saying
that
for
a
reason
right,
because
we
put
that
equity
lens
on
everything
that
we
do
pretty
much
sure.
I
want
to
say
that
the
nurse
family
partnership
is
in
three
zip
codes
across
oakland
county.
We
focus
primarily
on
pontiac
because
they
have
the
lowest
rates
in
infant
mortality
when
we
look
across
the
county,
but
we
certainly
provide
these
services
to
everyone.
G
In
and
I
just
want
to
throw
one
more
thing
is
we
are
aware
right,
we
really
saw
it
during
covid,
too
right
and
so
conversations
actually
just
this
week,
clander
and
I
had
with
the
county
deputy
executive
about
some
ideas
that
we
wanted
to
do.
We
do
have
a
wic
program,
though
just
so
you
know
in
the
west,
so
they
connect
us
with
a
lot
of
services
which
helps
still
minor
but
something
we
are
aware
of,
and
and
starting
to
look
at
how
we
can
and
make
some
changes
out
there.
Good
excellent.
A
Well,
if
you
know,
commissioner
powell.
M
M
A
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Anybody
else
have
anything
they
want
to
add
going
once
going
twice.
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
in
and
talking
to
us
you're,
a
huge
division
and
a
you
know,
really
important
part
of
the
county
government
you're,
certainly
one
of
the
most
public
reaching
and
contacting
departments
that
we
have
and,
and
we're
really
grateful
for
you
and
all
the
work
that
you
do
so
thanks
for
coming
in
today
and
sharing
your
budget
and
your
plans
with
us.
J
J
J
N
N
N
N
Long,
you
have
to
go
on
your
work
day
and
change.
Consideration.
L
N
N
N
A
I'm
going
to
try
and
hurt
these
cats
back
together.
All
right,
we're
all
back
we're
not
going
to
call
roll
again.
We
just
took
a
recess
for
a
second
okay.
Next
up
on
our
agenda
is
the
treasurer's
office
for
today.
Welcome
please
introduce
yourself,
although
we
all
you
know
for
the
record
and
then
tell
us
what
you
want
to
tell
us,
and
we
will
ask
questions
after
you're
done
perfect.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
having
us
I'm
robert
wittenberg
treasurer,
I'm
joined
by
jody
weisser
defoe,
our
chief
deputy
treasurer,
and
we
will
be
brief.
We
will
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible
and
leave
plenty
of
time
for
questions
and
plenty
of
buffer
time
for
the
next
group
coming
after
us,
so
we're
presenting
the
treasurer's
office
budget
for
fiscal
years
23
through
25,
and
this
general
fund
continuation
budget
of
8.6
million
provides
the
necessary
resources
for
our
office
to
continue
delivering
statutorily
required
services.
N
Separate
from
that.
We
continue
to
monitor
tax
collection
rates
and
the
good
news
is
there
was
a
decrease
of
8.5
percent
and
delinquent
taxes
turned
over
to
our
office
this
year.
So
that
was
actually
really
good
news.
Last
year
it
was
66.8
million
for
2020
taxes,
and
this
year
it
actually
went
down
to
61.2
million
for
2021
taxes
that
were
turned
over
to
our
office.
N
But
with
the
economic
uncertainty,
delinquent
taxes
being
turned
over
to
our
office
may
increase
in
the
future,
as
we
are
often
a
lagging
economic
indicator.
So
we
are
closely
monitoring
that
our
office
remains
steadfast
in
our
commitment
to
fulfill
our
statutory
responsibilities
and
to
assist
oakland
county
families
and
businesses
to
avoid
foreclosure.
N
Our
team
conducted
1682
one-on-one
confidential
calls
with
taxpayers
to
prevent
foreclosure.
Along
with
our,
we
had
a
a
very
robust
media
campaign.
Community
outreach
plan,
four
mailings
that
we
did
per
year
and
then
we
also
visited
and
posted
every
property
that
was
subject
to
foreclosure.
So
we
made
personal
visits
to
the
properties.
N
Also
like
a
financial
coach
within
that
area
and,
as
we
know,
property
foreclosure
disrupts
the
financial
well-being
of
our
residents,
our
business
owners,
our
neighborhoods-
I
always
talk
about
it-
doesn't
just
impact
the
person
that
is
being
foreclosed.
It's
the
whole
surrounding
area.
So
that's
why
it
is
of
our
utmost
importance
to
try
to
prevent
foreclosure
and
why
we
work
so
hard
to
do
so.
N
So
just
this
year
our
office
went
live
with
devnet,
it's
a
new
delinquent
tax
collection
system
and
it
was
a
long
time
in
the
making
it
took,
I
think,
six
years,
six
years.
So
this
is
pre-dating
my
time
here
and
significant
development
time
with
our
staff
and
our
developer
to
rewrite.
We
had
an
in-house
software
that
was
from
the
90s
that
needed
to
be
updated.
So
we
are
in
the
midst
of
of
getting
that
finalized.
N
If
you
will,
we
went
live
but
obviously
working
through
some,
I
would
say
none
are
major,
just
minor.
You
know
things
that
we
have
to
deal
with
here
and
there,
but
the
the
team
we've
been
working
with
from
devnet
has
been
has
been
really
supportive
and
really
helpful,
as
we
were,
commissioner
long
as
we
were
talking
about
just
before
we
got
started
in
may
of
2022
our
team,
in
collaboration
with
the
rest
of
the
county,
we
went
live
with
workday.
N
It
has
been
a
significant
change
for
our
team
to
learn
and
support
other
departments
who
interact
with
our
office
or
depositing
funds
or
paying
vendors.
You
specifically
just
last
week
we
held
the
first
oakland
county
land
sale
of
tax
foreclosure
property
since
2019,
so
this
was
the
first
sale
that
we've
had
since
2019,
and
that
was
obviously
due
to
the
pandemic
that
there
was
the
pause
for
two
years.
It
was
also
the
first
time
that
we've
done
the
auction
online.
N
We
thought
it
was
for
increased
transparency,
accessibility,
safety,
many
reasons
why
we
thought
it
was
worthwhile
to
do
it
online.
This
year
we
took
374
properties
to
sale.
309
of
those
properties
were
vacant,
land
or
vacant
lots.
So
that's
good
that
that
number
was
low
and
then
the
you
know
predominantly
was
vacant
property.
N
Our
preliminary
sales
from
our
auction
vendor
show
194
properties
sold
recovering
2.4
million
dollars
in
unpaid
delinquent
taxes
and
then,
furthermore,
the
claims
process
we
I
I
know
I
came
and
presented
to
both
caucuses
about
this
claims
process.
This
was
from
the
new
state
statute
that
was
passed
in
2020.
It
started
with
this
year's
foreclosures
with
the
auction
this
year,
so
the
people
that
submitted
we
had
27
claims
forms
that
were
submitted
from
owners
or
interested
or
people
that
held
an
interest
in
the
property
and
then
we
will
notify
them
of
their
surplus.
N
If
there
is
a
surplus
in
january,
then
the
circuit
court
will
order
the
claim
paid
by
2023.
So
that's
that
new
process
and,
like
I
said
we,
we
came
and
talked
to
all
the
all
of
you
earlier
in
the
year
and
really
encourage
people
to
apply
before
that
july.
1St
deadline,
so
I
think
that's
all
we
have
to
cover.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else,
I
think
we
covered
everything
so,
like
I
said
we
were
trying
to
be
efficient.
N
Just
to
give
you
a
high
level
of
what
it
what's
going
on
and
then
we're
happy
to
dive
into
any
of
the
details
or
any
of
the
specifics
that
you
would
like.
So.
But
we
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration.
D
Let
me
test
it
and
see
if
I
can
get
in
the
queue
I'm
going
to
ask
a
kind
of
canned
question
for
you,
robert
and
it's
good
to
see
you
and
your
team.
D
N
So
I
you
know
what
we
kind
of
mentioned
here.
I
think
that
was
very
good
and
promising
for
us
to
see
that
those
numbers-
and
we
talked
about
the
delinquent
taxes
that
were
turned
over.
So
that's
again,
just
to
kind
of
reiterate
for
everyone
here
and
then
anyone
that
might
be
watching
at
home
right.
You
pay
your
taxes
to
your
local
community
that
first
year
and
then,
when
they
are
delinquent,
they
get
turned
over
to
the
county
to,
in
essence,
become
the
collections
agent.
N
We
cash
flow,
the
local
communities,
so
we
are
monitoring
what
that
number
looks
like
you
know
how
much
is
turned
over
to
us
and
the
fact
that
it
went
down
eight
and
a
half
percent
from
the
previous
year
is
a
really
good
sign.
Where
you
know
it
was
actually
quite
a
bit
higher
lower.
It
depends
how
you
look
at
it.
The
number
was
a
lot
lower.
The
percentage
was
higher
that
was
turned
over
and
that's
a
good
thing,
but
there
was
actually
from
years
prior
was
actually
it
was
holding
pretty
steady.
N
N
J
Kind
of
thought,
66
million-
was
like
our
kind
of
standard
where
we
were
going
to
sit
for
a
long
time
as
long
as
the
economy
didn't
you
know,
make
a
drastic
turn
on
us,
but
you
know
we
saw
this
nice
downturn
so.
N
That
was
that
was
something
that
was
a
good
thing
to
see.
You
know
and
we'll
have
to
monitor
next
year
and
see
what
it
looks
like
because
again-
and
I
mentioned
this-
probably
when
we've
met
in
in
past-
that
there
were
the
safeguards
put
in
place
at
the
at
the
federal
level-
that
we
know
impacted
the
previous
year's
taxes,
but
could
have
impacted
the
ones
that
we're
talking
about
today
as
well.
So
I
think
next
year
will
be
a
really
good
indicator.
N
I
think
so
I
think
that'll
be
a
good
indicator
as
well
as
when
we
talked
about
the
properties
that
went
to
that
were
foreclosed
that
went
to
the
the
auction
and
again
that
auction
that
is
per
stat.
You
know
per
state
law
that
we
have
to
hold
that
auction.
N
The
years
just
before
we
had
put
that
moratorium
for
the
auction
we
were
seeing
around
200
or
so
properties
that
were
going
to
foreclosure,
and
so,
if
you
consider
that
we
had
two
years
off-
and
you
know,
was
just
a
pause
right
and
then
anyone
that
came
out
if
they
didn't
pay
their
taxes,
they
could
have
been
foreclosed
as
well.
We
were
assuming
that
we
would
see
600
or
more
properties
in
the
that
were
foreclosed
upon
and
that
were
at
the
land
sale.
N
J
I
mean
the
one
thing
that
I
would
also
say
is
that
I
think
we've
talked
also
about
the
my
half
program,
the
michigan
homeowners
assistance
fund
out
of
mishta,
which
will
pay
up
to
25
thousand
dollars
if
people
are
behind
on
their
taxes
due
to
a
coveted
impact,
we've
seen,
hundreds
of
people
apply
for
that
program,
we're
seeing
funds
you
know
come
in.
I
know
the
water
department
is
also
seeing
funds
come
in.
J
N
And
and
along
those
lines,
encourage
everyone
that
the
my
hat
program
is
still
open,
there's
still
funding
there
and
encourage
people
to
apply
if
they,
if
they
qualify
and
if
they
don't
know
they
should
look
online
or
reach
out
to
our
office,
and
we
can
help,
but
again,
it's
25
000
per
household
that
they
can
use
for
delinquent
taxes,
mortgage
utilities,
association,
yep,
so
there's
there's
quite
a
bit.
That's
covered
there.
N
So
so,
hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
You
know
again,
we
are
monitoring,
but
we
haven't
seen
anything
that
is
for
us
to
worry
at
this
point,
but
obviously
we
are.
We
are
looking
at
the
numbers
as
they
come
in.
B
Is
there
any
funding
that
you
requested?
That's
not
included
in
the
county
executive
budget
recommended
budget
no.
J
N
M
J
N
M
Thank
you,
mr
powell,
so
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
what
information
you
already
you
already
know.
I'm
asking
this
because
half
them
houses
on
that
that
auction
list
was
in
my
city
and
you
know.
M
But
I've
been
texting
miss
jody
over
the
weekend
because
I've
been
getting
questions.
So
my
question
is:
what
information
will
we
be
privy
to
and
as
commissioners
and
then
are
you
all
capturing
and
know
who
is
like
purchasing
these
properties?
N
Well,
so
everything
ultimately
will
become
public,
because
it
is
a
legal
process
right.
It
is
a
transfer
of
property
and
ownership,
so
that
and
then
that
has
to
be
filed
with
the
the
clerk.
So
that
will
be
public
information.
We,
like
I
said
we,
we
gave
you
preliminary
numbers
because
it
is
not
finalized.
The
the
auction
closed
on
friday-
and
there
are
five
business
days
in
essence
to
make
sure
that
the
the
winning
bid
bidder
wants
to
follow
through
with
their
their
bid
and
is
able
to
make
payment.
J
Be
also
for
us
to
check
and
ensure
that
the
people
that
bid
are
abiding
by
the
rules
which
are
they
cannot
have
any
delinquent
taxes
in
order
to
be
a
winning
bidder
and
they
cannot
have
lost
the
property.
The
person
that
loses
the
property
cannot
bid
on
their
property
at
the
auction.
So
that's
what
our
team
is
reviewing.
Okay
right
now,.
M
N
J
So
they're
they
actually
for
anybody
that
walks
away
from
this
auction
and
the
second
or
third
bidder
are
not
interested
they're,
going
to
basically
do
a
redo
sale
of
the
just
the
few
properties
that
people
walked
away
from
statewide.
So
l
properties
that
somebody
walked
away
from
statewide
is
going
to
be
on
september.
28Th.
O
J
Then
the
properties
that
did
not
sell
will
come
back
up
for
auction
at
a
reduced
bid
amount,
a
minimum
bid
amount
that
will
be
at
the
end
of
october,
like
october
28th.
I
think
something.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
that,
and
anybody
that's
a
registered
bidder
will
be
communicated
that
information
from
the
auction.
Okay,.
M
Great,
so
that's
that
now
with
the
my
second
question
now
is
the
rafaeli
stuff
yeah,
that's
right:
where
are
we
at
with
that,
and
when
does
that
process?
Well,
just
where
are
we
at
with
that?
Where
is
it
at
in
court?
It.
N
Is
it
still
still
works?
Okay,
it's
still
in
court.
It
is
there.
I
think
I
can
say
that
there
was
because
it's
public
that
there
is
a
settlement
that
is
being
negotiated
right,
but
it
is
not
finalized
proposed
proposed,
I
should
say
nothing
but
proposed.
So
we
are
okay,
correct.
That
is.
That
is
where
we
are
at
right
now:
okay
and
you
all
commissioners,
obviously
set
aside
a
pot
of
money,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
negotiation.
Okay,.
M
I
just
wanted
that
to
be
on
record,
so
people
know
because
we
do
you
know,
have
people
watching
and
they're
ready
to
lock
and
load
and
file
if
it
happens,
for
them
to
get
their
money
back
so
right.
I
just
wanted
that
for
record,
and
I
know
we
know
what's
next
steps
because
we've
been
debrief
on
that
process
a
little
bit,
but
I
know
when
that
time
come
up,
we'll
be
debriefed
again
to
update
and
get
that
process
moving
forward.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You,
commissioner
powell,
commissioner
moss
you
had
a
question
actually.
A
N
M
E
E
A
Sure
anybody
else
have
any
questions
for
the
treasures
department.
Today,
all.
M
Right
getting
ready
goodbye.
F
F
J
A
Camera
going
okay,
we
do
have
a
quorum
one,
two,
three
four,
five
and
angie's
in
the
hall,
so
a
little
ting
around
yep,
okay.
So
our
next
group
is
public
services.
Welcome!
Thank
you
and
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
go
through
your
presentation.
Tell
us
what
you
want
to
tell
us
and
then
I'm
sure
the
commission's
going
to
have
a
whole
bunch
of
questions
for
you.
So
welcome
and
remember
to
introduce
yourselves
as
you
go.
Yes,.
P
A
B
A
P
Okay,
so
if
you're,
like
most
people,
you're,
probably
sitting
sitting
there
wondering
what
in
heaven's
name
could
these
four
divisions
have
in
common
and
why
are
they
all
under
public
services,
and
they
do
obviously
perform
various
different
functions
and
and
service
different
populations,
but
the
one
thing
that
they
do
all
have
in
common,
unfortunately,
is
that
we're
often
dealing
with
people
at
some
of
the
very
lowest?
You
know
points
in
their
lives,
whether
it's
perhaps
a
lost
pet
or
experiencing
the
death
of
a
family
member
or
navigating
the
incarceration
of
a
loved
one.
P
So
it's
very
important
that
we
do
our
jobs
efficiently
and
effectively
so
that
we
don't
cause
any
additional
heartache
or
stress
during
these
already
very
difficult
times,
but
it's
beyond
just
doing
our
jobs.
Well,
it's
also
important
that
during
these
difficult
times
that
we
treat
everyone
that
we
deal
with
with
the
dignity,
fairness
and
respect
that
they
all
deserve.
P
So,
as
you're
aware,
all
of
the
county
departments
have
gone
through
key
performance
indicators.
We
have.
These
are
our
headline
key
performance
indicators.
We
have
four
of
them,
one
for
each
of
the
divisions
and
I
just
want
to
go
through
them
quickly,
and
you
may
also
notice
that,
after
each
of
them,
I
sort
of
have
a
budget
budget
party
one
and
two
or
budget
priority
three.
P
When
we
originally
got
a
questionnaire
that
was
put
out
that
the
board
asked
each
of
the
divisions
to
fill
out
about
the
budget
parties,
it's
difficult
because,
with
the
four
very
different
divisions,
they
have
different
priorities.
But
we
sat
down
and
we
looked
at
what
is
it
that
we
have
in
common?
And
so
we
came
up
with
three
of
our
top
budget
priorities
and
the
first
one
is
that
we
support
programs
and
services
that
provide
alternatives
to
detention
for
adults
and
juveniles.
P
Our
pre-trial
unit
allows
people
to
be
in
in
the
community
during
dependency
of
their
trial,
so
there
can
be
ordinance
our
supervision,
so
they
can
remain
free
and,
of
course,
while
they're
out,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
maintaining
that
public
safety.
P
The
second
is
the
percent
of
youth
emitted
to
secure
detention
by
race,
obviously
we're
looking
at
who's
coming
in
to
children's
village
and
why
they're
there,
the
live
release
rate
is
with
animal
control,
and
this
is
the
percentage
of
the
animals
that
leave
the
shelter
by
means
other
than
youth
in
asia
or
in
in
shelter,
death,
and
basically,
the
industry
standard
is
90
or
higher
to
be
considered
a
no
kill,
shelter
and
the
last
is
with
the
medical
examiner's
office
and
that's
the
percentage
of
identified
decedents
that
are
released
within
72
hours
after
autopsy,
and
I
want
to
just
go
into
each
of
these
just
a
little
bit
more
again.
P
This
is
this
particular
headline
kpi
in
the
industry.
We
also
call
the
public
safety
rate.
Everyone
in
the
criminal
justice
system
has
a
presumption
of
innocence,
but
we
also
have
to
balance
that
with
public
safety,
and
so
I
think
this
is
showing
that
we're
doing
that
very
well.
As
you
can
see
upwards
of
80
well
into
sometimes
90
percent.
We
have
individuals
that
are
released,
our
supervision
that
remain
arrest
free.
P
However,
there
are
some
people
that
are
rearrested
and
so
we're
using
this
data
that
we're
collecting
to
see.
Why
are
they
being
rearrested
and
for
these
individuals
who
have
been
rearrested?
What
are
we
missing?
What
are
the
services
or
programs
that
maybe
we're
not
giving
them
that
they
need
in
order
to
help
them
be
successful
for
children's
village?
P
One
of
the
things
that
we
learned
in
going
through
this
kpi
process
is
that
you
can't
look
at
just
any
one
measure
and
expect
that
to
tell
you
the
full
story.
So
when
we
look
at
this
measure,
we
say
oh
well,
we
might
be
doing
pretty
good
and
in
fact,
oftentimes.
We
have
many
more
white
youth
coming
into
children's
village
than
black
youth,
but
we
have
to
put
those
numbers
into
context
in
order
for
them
to
make
sense,
and
that's
what
we've
done
here.
P
The
census
bureau
tells
us
that
the
african-american
youth
population
in
oakland
county
is
about
17,
that
red
line
that
you
see
there
is
17
percent.
So,
as
you
can
see,
this
information
is
telling
us
that
african
american
youth
is
over
represented
in
children's
village
according
or
compared
to
the
general
population.
P
For
the
animal
shelter,
thank
you,
commissioners,
there
about
a
couple
years
ago
about
was
it
a
year
or
year
and
a
half
or
so
ago
the
board
commissioned
a
study
by
that
was
done
by
dr
pizzano.
She
came
up
with
several
recommendations,
almost
all
of
which
have
been
implemented
by
the
animal
shelter
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
our
live
release.
P
Race
has
continued
to
go
up
as
we
have
implemented
those
and
we
are
considered
a
no-kill
shelter
and
we
continue
to
be,
and-
and
hopefully
that
will
continue
to
be
above
that
that
red
line
the
medical
examiner's
office.
This
is
an
example
of
using
this
data
real
time.
All
of
the
autopsies
to
the
credit
of
the
medical
examiner's
office
are
done
within
24
hours.
P
That's
seven
days
a
week,
365
days
a
year,
holidays,
weekends,
everything,
but
then
the
the
body
has
to
be
released
to
the
family
or
the
funeral
home,
and
when
chaos
looked
at
this
originally,
he
said
what's
going
on,
why
you
know
why?
P
Why
aren't
these
being,
you
know,
turned
out
quick
quicker
and
what
he
found
was
that
many
of
the
families
were
waiting
for
a
phone
call
from
the
emmys
office
to
say
you
know
your
the
body
is
ready
to
be
released
and
they
they
didn't
know,
and
so
now
kaz
has
already
changed
policy
that
as
soon
as
the
body
is
ready,
the
family
gets
a
call,
so
those
arrangements
can
be
made
quickly.
P
P
P
There
were
some
small
workforce
reductions,
but
nothing
that
has
you
know
affected
us
significantly.
A
few
new
investments
that
we're
looking
at
we
just
applied
and
will
be
coming
in
front
of
the
board.
Here
I
think
in
a
next
meeting,
or
so
the
jagburn
grant
for
20.
We
asked
for
20
000,
so
we
could
work
with
an
outside
agency
to
develop
some
focus
groups
to
determine
why
particular
groups
aren't
reporting
hate
crimes.
P
Just
about
almost
24
months
ago
we
undertook
a
community
or
criminal
justice
mapping
initiative
and
we
mapped
the
entire
criminal
justice
system,
both
the
adult
and
juvenile,
and
that
was
done
by
an
agency
called
justice
management
institute
and
just
in
a
few
months
ago
they
released
their
final
report.
P
For
us,
it
contains
over
22
recommendations
and
things
that
we
can
do
to
basically
improve
our
system
and
where
there's
bottlenecks,
so
we're
we're
going
through
that
and
and
looking
at
what
recommendations
we
can
turn
into
projects
and
maybe
bring
forward
in
either
grants
or
even
possibly,
next
year
we
have
a
new
program
under
community
corrections
for
justice
mentors,
so
peer
recovery.
P
Coaches
are
very
big
in
substance
use
community
and
so
we're
going
to
be
using
people
with
lived
experience
from
criminal
justice
returning
citizens
to
sort
of
mentor
other
people
that
are
in
the
system
to
help
them
navigate
it
and
work
through
the
challenges
and
barriers
they
might
be
having
the
emmys
office
is
taking
on
lapeer
county
contract
for
autopsies
and
in
animal
control.
We're
looking
to
do
some
in-house
offer
in-house
training
so
that
potential
animal
control
officers
can
get
their
certification
from
mdard,
and
also
the
expansion
of
our
outdoor
kennel
space
is
under
way.
P
It's
it's
in
the
bid
process.
Right
now
for
I.t
the
anticipated
projects.
We
have
the
data
that
we
I
just
shared
with.
You
doesn't
come
easily,
and
so
we
have
some
projects
in
the
works
with
it
in
order
to
to
be
able
to
pull
that
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
easier,
and
then
we
have
a
few
contracts
up
for
forbid
again.
The
the
animal
shelter
we've
got
our
outdoor
kennels
that
we're
bedding
community
corrections.
We
have
access
liaison.
P
We've
changed
the
scope
of
that
based
on
changes
in
the
population
that
we're
seeing
and
we're
going
to
be
providing
a
trauma
curriculum,
because
we
see
that
as
being
essential
to
the
individuals
that
that
we
serve
and
then
children's
village
will
has
a
couple
of
major
contracts
that
will
be
bid
in
the
coming
year.
M
P
M
What
are
some
well,
this
may
be.
Another
study
you're
looking
at
too,
are
what
are
some
of
the
measures
being
studied
to
reduce
that
african-american
detainment
rate,
as
far
as
in
the
juveniles.
P
So
those
are
projects
that
we're
developing,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
think
will
help
and
is
one
of
the
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
mapping
is
to
have
an
assessment
developed
that
will
help
drive
the
detention
decision
because
right
now,
there's
not
really
a
formalized
process
for
that
and
while
you
know
we,
everyone
in
in
the
system
is
acting
in
good
faith.
But
you
know
this.
P
This
person
doesn't
know
what
this
person
is
doing
and
then
it
sort
of
exacerbates,
and
then
we
have
this
disproportionality
and
so
again,
one
of
the
things
that
we
think
that
we
can
do
to
help
combat.
That
is
have
an
objective,
validated
assessment
to
help
drive
the
detention
decision
to
remove
some
of
that
elicit
by
or
implicit.
M
Bias,
okay
got
it
and
then
my
last
question
is:
is
there
any
services
that
help
parents
who
kids
have
been
in
our
juvenile
system,
they're
charged
a
fee
for
their
kids
to
be
in
this
system?
M
P
And
that
is
something
that
we
are
looking
at
with
the
administration
and
there's
also
the
statewide
juvenile
justice
task
force
just
put
out
their
recommendations
and
they're
also
calling
for
an
elimination
of
those
types
of
fees.
M
Oh,
I
need
to
stay.
I
need
to
get
keep
keep
me
up
to
date
on
that,
because
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
low-income
mothers
or
parents.
Fathers
too,
who
get
these
high
extensive
bills
when
their
kids
get
locked
up
and
it's
on
their
credit
report,
and
it
is
a
issue
when
they
try
to
you
know,
do
other
things
with
their
life
till
they
get
that
bill
taken
off.
So
absolutely.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Don.
A
D
Yeah,
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
am
you
know,
listening
and
looking
and
I'm
on
the
website,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
quantify
exactly
public
services.
You
mentioned
the.
I
guess,
there's
five
people
with
you
today
from
animal
to
children's
village
or
some
other
thing.
But
this
is
an
observation.
It
is
a
little
murky
when
I
look
at
the
org
chart
just
trying
to
understand
that
you're
talking
medical
examiner,
which
I
guess
is
no
longer
associated
with
the
health
department.
D
D
I
am
incredibly
troubled
with
the
the
there's
so
many
ways
I
could
put
it,
but
basically
the
over
criminalization
of
blacks,
black
bodies,
the
fact
that
we
would
have
those
kinds
of
numbers
with
that
red
line
supposed
to
be
at
17
and
we're
like
blowing
through
70
percent,
that
is,
that
is
acute.
D
That
is
right
now
all
hands
on
back.
Something
has
to
happen
and
it
doesn't
take
a
lot
of
training
to
understand.
What's
happening.
Just
turn
on
the
television
and
look
around,
and
so
I'm
incredibly
concerned,
because
the
population
of
black
people
in
oakland
county
isn't
high
enough
to
sustain
those
kinds
of
numbers
of
our
young
people
being
in
children's
village.
D
D
It's
going
to
end
up
the
prison
to
pipeline
presented
to
prison
pipeline,
and
I
know
oakland
county
doesn't
want
to
be
a
part
of
that.
So
thank
you
for
listening.
P
Can
I
just
yes,
I
I
appreciate
those
comments
and
it
concerns
us
as
well,
and
and
that's
why
we're
looking
at
all
of
this,
and-
and
I
know
our
the
administration
is
also
concerned
about
this,
and
we
are
one
of
the
initiatives
that
we're
looking
at
is
to
move
away
from
over
detention
and
moving
to
more
community
based
services,
because
it
it
does
cause
disparate
impacts
upon
our
the
black
youth.
So
we
are
looking
at
that.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
You
have
my
full
support
if
there's
anything
any
advocacy
letters
written
money
from
sources,
we'll
we'll
look
under
every
rock,
but
it
is
our
duty
to
to
support
those
those
disenfranchised
folks.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
powell.
M
I
just
wanted
to
let
commissioner
charles
know
that
ms
hanke
is
at
every
table
in
this,
at
least
in
the
city
of
pontiac
right
now.
As
far
as
all
our
discussions
about
all
our
problems
with
violence-
crime,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
so
I
have
a
high
regard
for
her
and
I
think
that
she's
going
to
try
her
hardest
to
help
that
community,
because
she
has
shown
that
admiration
and
I
can't
think
of
another
word,
but
she
owned
it.
Commissioner
childs
and
I
know
that
you're
going
to
be
on
it
with
miss
burns.
M
A
Okay,
commissioner,
moss.
F
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
see,
mr
mayor,
mr
gatt,
about
the
the
animal
shelter
we
had
a
I'm
sorry,
marcia
gershon's
gone
because
she
chaired
the
committee
that
had
the
all
the
recommendations
and
one
that
always
stuck
with
me.
Was
that
excuse
me
that
if
polls
they
took
as
just
an
ungodly
number
of
people
who
surrendered
and
gave
their
gave
their
dogs
and
animals
up
to
the
shelter
would
really
rather
have
kept
them
if
they
had.
F
F
That
would
go
a
long
way
toward
decreasing,
crowdedness
and
shelters
and
with
just
a
little
bit
of
maybe
help
to
the
families,
and
I
thought
that
was
you
know
a
pretty
good,
pretty
good
initiative
to
start.
Are
you
guys
I
haven't
heard
or
anything
specific
talking
about
that
particular
aspect
or
program?
You
guys
doing
that.
B
Thank
you
for
the
question,
commissioner.
Since
dr
pizano
came
in
to
study
our
shelter.
One
of
her
suggestions
was
that
we
implement
a
program
whereby
we
give
alternatives
to
people
who
call
or
bring
their
pet
in
and
want
to
give
it
up.
Since
then,
over
a
year
now
year
and
a
half,
we
have
offered
all
sorts
of
different
alternatives
and
there's
other
helps
in
the
community
if
it's
a
financial
thing
or
if
it's
a
breed
discrimination
matter
or
if
it's
just
a
temporary
matter
that
people
need
some
financial
help.
B
So
we
we
have
indeed
addressed
that
working
with
barb
barb,
suggested
to
me
not
too
long
ago
about
a
food
bank
for
people
who
may
be
down
on
their
luck
a
little
bit
and
don't
want
to
give
up
their
pets,
we're
just
waiting
to
see
how
much
money
we
have
left
in
our
legacy
fund.
After
this
outdoor
expansion
is
completed,
and
then
we
are
going
to
address
that
that
need
also.
F
Yeah
yeah.
I
would
hope
that
families
that
have
human
food
problems
go
go
somewhere.
You
can
get
that
taken
care
of
too
without
a
doubt
yeah,
because
you
know
if
your
your
shelters
are
full
and
you're
going
to
have
to
euthanize
animals
and
things
because
there's
no
space,
and
yet,
if
you
can
keep
them
coming
in
and
a
large
number
of
percentage,
I
was
surprised
that
would
be
great.
Besides
someone
who's
a
we've
adopted
a
lot
of
dogs
and
well
you
know
it
helps
them.
F
B
Another
suggestion
that
dr
pizano
gave
us
that
we've
implemented
was
not
to
be
so
quick
to
accept
pets
when
people
call
us
and
they
want
to
surrender
their
pets.
Obviously,
the
staff
is
now
trained
to
quiz
them
as
to
why,
if
it's
something
we
can
help
with
immediately,
we
do
if
it's
something
that
we
really
can't
help.
B
They
just
don't
want
the
pet
anymore,
we'll
make
an
appointment
out
a
couple
weeks
in
advance
and
give
them
time
to
think
about
it
and
maybe
provide
a
different
alternative
for
them,
rather
than
to
give
it
up
and.
F
M
Be
it
if
that
outside
expansion
takes
all
the
money,
do
you
have
a
plan
b
as
far
as
your
dog
food
initiative,.
B
A
B
P
Actually,
we
met
that
request.
Last
year
last
year,
so
heather
had
a
a
small
workforce
deduction.
We
community
corrections
eliminated
a
position
that
was
in
a
retirement.
Had
some
contracted
services,
money
yeah.
P
P
A
Thank
you
anyone
else,
I
will
say
your
presentation
more
than
many
of
the
others,
and
maybe
it's
because
you
are
such
diverse
in
what
you
are
in
charge
of,
I
think,
shows
the
real
value
of
the
kpis
and
the
fact
that
everybody
is
trying
to
break
down
what
they
do
into
these
elements.
These.
These
are
what
we
do
and
here's
how
we're
going
to
measure
them,
and
I
think
the
value
of
that
this
year
in
particular,
is
really
starting
to
show
itself.
I
would
look
at
animal
control
right.
A
You
had
your
study,
you
set
some
kpis
and
you
are
continuously
improving
your
performance
where,
if
we
weren't
looking
at
it,
you
know
it
probably
wouldn't
be
improving
that
way,
and
I
see
that
across
all
of
these
kpis,
of
course,
commissioner,
charles
pointed
out
the
one
that
we're
all
really
disturbed
about,
which
is
the
number
of
black
youth
in
our.
A
System
just
in
the
system
overall,
but
I
think
we
also
see
that
because
of
the
kpis
right,
it's
something
we
can
start
to
talk
about,
drive
those
numbers
down.
So
I'm
an
engineer
by
training.
I
love
math.
I
love
charts.
I
like
measuring
things,
so
I
just
it
really
struck
me
that
your
department
is
one
that
really
illustrates
the
value
of
identifying
what
you
want
to
measure
measuring
it
and
then
taking
action
based
upon
what
you
find
so.
P
Well,
thank
you.
We
appreciate
that
they
worked,
the
managers
worked
really
hard
and
that
that
is
the
value
of
the
kpis
and,
and
sometimes
we
all
know
something
sort
of
intuitively,
but
actually
being
able
to
see
it
and
quantify
it
really.
You
know
takes
it
to
the
next
level,
so
I
appreciate
that.
L
I'm
sorry
for
being
late.
I
had
a
day
job
meeting,
so
forgive
me,
but
did
you
talk
about
the
jmi
we
did
damn?
I
can
send
it
okay,
so
you
told
everyone
about
that.
Okay
and
then
did
you
talk
about
36th
district
court
and
the
ross
case.
Does
that
affect
you
at
all
and
if
so,.
P
We
certainly
and
anticipate
what
commissioner
cavall
is
referring
to
is
the
settlement
from
the
36th
district
court.
The
aclu
had
sued
the
36th
district
court
in
regards
to
their
bail
practices,
and
some
other
things,
and
the
settlement
that
came
out
of
that
is
is
interesting
and
we're
we're
looking
at
it,
along
with
corp
council
and
some
of
the
other
folks
in
the
county,
because
we
anticipate
that
that
may
be
the
measuring
stick
that
the
acl
uses
in
the
future
to
see
you
know
what
what
courts
are
doing.
A
A
A
All
right,
our
next
group
is
the
prosecutor
and
they're
not
due
here
until
3
25.
So
if
you've
got
a
little
something
you
want
to
are
they
here?
Are
they
going
to
come
early,
okay,
we'll
take
a
five
minute
break
and
then
we'll
have
the
prosecutor
in
and
then
maybe
we
can
move
on
a
little
bit
today.
That
would
be
good.
E
I
think
it
it
starts
on
204,
okay
and
then
also
we're
on
451
is
the
where.
E
Yourself,
thank
you,
commissioners.
My
name
is
pete,
I'm
the
chief
attorney
and
the
manager
of
the
indigent
defense
services
office
and
we're
a
division
under
the
county
executive
administration.
As
you
remember,
we
were
created
in
the
fall
to
implement
midc
standard
five,
which
was
moving
all
of
the
appointed
attorney
functions
out
from
under
the
court,
and
so
we
manage
all
of
the
appointed
attorneys
on
adult
felony
cases
and
also
misdemeanor
cases
within
our
county
funded
district
courts,
which
are
the
fifty
seconds.
E
E
The
second
budget
goal
is
to
have
significant
compensation
increases
for
our
independent
contractor
attorneys.
So
those
are
the
people
right
now
who
are
doing
the
indigent
defense
work
in
our
system.
We
don't
pay
them
enough
and
we
need
to
pay
them
more,
and
so
that's
a
significant
part
of
our
budget
for
next
year
as
well,
and
then,
thirdly,
would
be
to
increase
the
availability
of
expert
witness
and
investigator
funds
to
be
used
for
indigent
defense
assistance.
E
Well,
improvement
in
general,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
our
piece
of
that,
so
I
think
they're
multi-facet,
multi-faceted
goal
a
lot
of
what
you
heard
from
barb.
Hanke
is
wrapped
up
in
that
our
piece
is
to
increase
the
quality
of
indigent
defense
representation,
so
to
increase
the
resources
available
to
our
appointed
attorneys,
to
increase
the
quality
of
service
that
they
can
provide
to
their
clients.
E
Well,
I
think
there
are
several
ways
to
measure
it.
One
way
would
be
to
have
oversight
over
the
process
to
make
sure
that
attorneys
are
actually
doing
work
on
cases.
So,
for
example,
if
you
have
a
case
that
has
a
significant
search
and
seizure
issue,
or
it
has
an
issue
where
your
client's
statement
was
potentially
taken
in
violation
of
miranda.
Are
you
doing
the
work
necessary
to
investigate
that?
Are
you
filing
the
motions
that
you
need
to
file
to
suppress
that
statement
or
to
quash
or
suppress
any
evidence
that
may
have
been
obtained
illegally?
E
Where
you
say
I
don't
get
paid
enough
to
do
this,
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
do
it
another
way
to
measure
it
would
be
the
success
of
plea
bargaining
that
gets
tricky
because
you
don't
want
to
say
that,
just
because
the
defense
was
able
to
get
a
good
plea
bargain
that
that
is
necessarily
a
good
outcome
for
the
system
as
a
whole.
You
have
to
take
each
case
as
it
presents
itself
for
some
people.
E
A
plea
bargain
is
a
good
outcome
for
other
people.
There
may
be
other
considerations
at
play
there,
so
it's
difficult
to
judge
it.
You
know
just
by
my
client
was
found
not
guilty.
Therefore
I
succeeded
is
is
is,
in
my
opinion,
a
good
thing
to
look
at,
but
it's
it's
much
too
simple
and
you
can't
judge
an
indigent
defense
system
based
on
you
know,
conviction,
numbers.
F
Maybe
more
well,
I
would
think
that
if
you
have
a
attorney
appointed
attorney
who
doesn't
do
anything,
you
know
you
call
the
bar
association.
You
have
effectiveness
of
council
arguments
right
there,
but
I'm
just
interested
that
the
metrics
that
you
would
use
to
oversee
a
extensive
program,
which
this
is
an
extensive
program
and
if
it's
sort
of
like
well,
you
know
we
got
to
look
at
each
one
on
a
case
by
case.
That's
not
sustainable.
F
F
I
do
understand,
saying
we
need
to
pay
them
more
and
get
more
of
them
to
do
it.
I
mean
I
get
that
what
I
don't
get
is
how
you're
going
to
ensure
quality
representation
other
than
getting
more
expensive
criminal
lawyers,
because
they,
you
know,
I
mean
you're,
going
to
get
jeffrey
feiger
or
whatever
yeah
you
know,
but
not!
No,
not
me
john!
I
haven't.
I
haven't
done
those
kind
of
appointments
for
40
years
and
I
don't
intend
to
start
now.
E
Well,
it
is-
and
I
think
part
of
the
issue
that
we're
facing
right
now
is
standard,
seven
midc
standard,
seven,
which
deals
with
attorney
oversight,
although
that
has
been
proposed
by
the
midc.
It
has
not
been
adopted
by
lara,
so
it's
not
something
that
is
mandated.
It's
not
something
that
we
are
given
grant
funds
to
do.
Standard
six,
which
would
get
into
another
metric,
would
be
attorney
case
loads.
So
are
you
doing
too
many
cases
in
comparison
to
national
standards?
F
E
Yeah
and
that's
a
much
easier
metric
to
look
at
the
whole,
and
it
is
something
that
we
can
do
on
a
limited
basis
currently,
but
that's
another
standard
where
the
midc
has
proposed
it.
Lara
has
not
passed
it
yet,
and
so
we
cannot
get
grant
funding.
You
know
to
create
a
robust
system
with
that
kind
of
granularity.
E
I
mean,
I
I
think
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
in
the
next
couple
years
lara
will
approve
those
standards,
but
the
attorney
caseload
standard,
quite
frankly,
is
going
to
be
a
very
expensive
one
for
the
state.
People
worry
about
the
hourly
fee
standard
and
that's
going
to
be
expensive
too,
but
the
caseload
standard,
in
my
opinion,
is
going
to
be
even
more
expensive
for
the
state.
F
It's
being
that
commission
call,
we
were
sort
of
present
at
the
creation
of
this,
and
so
I
noticed
the
budget,
the
escalation
of
the
budget.
I
notice.
You
know
you
good
question,
but
this
is
really
open-ended.
Isn't
it
I
mean
it's
not
like
you
could
say
we're
we're
going
to
expect
to
like
a
lot
of
these
other
budgets,
all
things
being
equal,
which,
of
course,
we
know
they
won't
be.
F
E
Well,
I
think
this
slide
speaks
to
that
and
the
next
one
I
mean
we
are
a
two-part
budget
funded
by
partly
county
general
fund
dollars
and
partly
state
grant,
and
so
our
local
share,
which
is
our
statutory
requirement,
is
something
that
is
set
each
year.
E
It
can
only
go
up
by
three
percent:
it's
based
on
the
average
of
fiscal
years
10
to
12,
and
it
goes
up
each
year
by
either
three
percent
or
cpi,
whichever
is
less
and
so
that
local
share
calculation,
and
I
I
think
the
the
statute,
as
enacted
was
designed
to
significantly
benefit
local
government,
because
that
amount
does
not
compound
our
original
local
share.
As
you
can
see,
here,
was
1.8
million
give
or
take
a
couple?
Tens
of
thousands
right,
the
highest
it
can
ever
be
under
the
current
formula?
E
Is
1.8
million
give
or
take
another
few
tens
of
thousands?
It
cannot
go
above
that
bolded
number
that's
on
the
screen
unless
there's
a
legislative
change
and
so
from
a
county
perspective
that
local
share
that
we
have
to
put
in
that's
the
highest
it
can
ever
be
unless
there
was
a
change
in
the
law
and,
of
course
the
change
in
the
law
would
bring
about
potentially
headley
concerns
and
unfunded
mandates,
etc.
E
I
do
think
that
there
will
be
a
significant
uptick
in
budgets
from
a
state
grant
perspective.
There's
no
question
I
mean
our
grant
this
year
is
approximately
six
million
dollars.
The
grant
that
we
are
requesting
from
the
state
next
year
is
over
14
million
dollars,
so
us
alone
we've
more
than
doubled.
E
Our
grant
request
from
the
state
we're
waiting
for
approval
from
that
for
that
we
probably
won't
find
out
until
the
october
midc
meeting
whether
the
state
has
approved
that
or
not,
but
the
signs
that
I'm
getting
are
that
they're
very
receptive
to
our
proposed
plan
changes
they're
very
receptive
to
the
changes
we
want
to
make
in
our
system
and
and
I'm
very
optimistic
that
we're
not
going
to
have
any
major
issues
getting
this
grant
funding.
So
that's
the
piece
of
it.
The
state
funding
piece
is
the
piece
that
will
continue
to
rise.
F
Is
there
a
cap
or
is
there?
Is
the
state
funding
required
or
discretionary.
E
E
I
I
think
that
that
point
was
a
good
one,
a
segue
into
the
fact
that
we
really
are
a
two-part
budget.
We
have
our
county
local
share.
We
have
that
amount
of
money
that
we
know
we
have
to
put
into
the
system
every
year
and
then
we
turn
in
our
compliance
plan
to
the
state.
We
tell
them
what
our
plan
is
for
the
next
year.
E
E
The
numbers
have
changed
slightly,
but
our
grant
is
designed
to
really
look
at
three
three
major
buckets
and
then
a
couple
minor
things.
The
first
thing
is
funding
of
our
current
employees.
The
second
is
funding
to
start
a
new
public
defender's
office,
and
then
the
third
is
to
increase
the
rates
paid
to
our
current
independent
contract
attorneys.
E
So
these
are
the
employees
that
are
funded
by
our
by
our
current
grant,
and
we
expect
that
these
employees
will
continue
to
be
grant
funded.
This
is
my
my
position
as
the
chief
attorney
and
then
eight
other
positions
within
my
office.
The
grant
also
funds,
two
community
corrections,
officers
or
and
one
seven
day
a
week
corrections
deputy
position.
E
E
We
would
have
a
chief
public
defender,
a
deputy
chief,
two
principal
attorneys,
two
senior
assistants
and
assistant,
and
so
those
are
various
levels
of
expertise.
Those
are
commensurate
with
the
prosecutor's
office.
So
when
you
see
a
classification
here
that
says
principal
attorney,
there's
a
classification
in
the
prosecutor's
office
that
is
principal
attorney,
those
two
people
would
be
paid
the
same.
That's
a
key!
You!
Don't
you
don't
want
a
system
where
your
prosecutors
are
getting
paid
more
than
your
defense
attorneys
same
with
senior
assistance.
E
The
reality
is
that
these
people
probably
won't
be
fully
in
place
until
the
spring.
By
the
time
you
hire
make
sure
you
have
the
right
people
hired
make
sure
that
you
have
a
place
to
put
them
they're
not
going
to
be
up
and
running
until
the
spring
of
of
2023..
E
E
There
are
a
lot
of
advantages
to
housing,
a
small
public
defender's
office
down
there.
There
is
pre-trial
services
also
in
that
building.
There's
results.
Drug
testing
in
that
building
veterans
has
a
satellite
office
in
that
building.
So
there
are
things
that
people
would
be
able
to
do
they're
coming
to
meet
with
their
public
defender.
They
could
also
accomplish
other
things
that
they
may
need
for
not
only
for
their
criminal
case,
but
maybe
even
for
other
facets
of
their
life
as
well.
E
E
E
They
will
not
strictly
be
hourly,
but
they
will
be
increased
so
that
they
are
giving
the
attorneys
something
that
equates
to
a
reasonable
hourly
fee
and
then
our
hope
in
future
years
is
that
we
get
all
of
those
cases
hourly
that's
the
ultimate
goal.
We
pay
all
our
cases
hourly,
but
that
is
something
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
the
data
coming
from
coming
out
of
the
last
two
years
in
covid.
E
It's
it's
very
difficult
because
you
can't
say
well
what
the
court
did
last
year
is
what
the
court's
going
to
do
this
year.
It's
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
convince
the
midc
that,
yes,
our
need,
if
we're
going
to
pay
hourly
for
all
non-capital
cases.
E
E
That
is
cumbersome,
because
not
only
do
you
have
to
file
the
motion,
you've
got
to
come
in
typically
on
a
wednesday
to
argue
it.
So
you've
got
to
take
time
out
of
your
day
to
argue
it.
You
are
tipping
your
hand
in
some
respects
to
the
prosecutor.
Prosecutor
doesn't
have
to
tell
anyone
when
they
hire
an
expert.
They
just
do
it
because
it's
in
their
budget,
but
the
defense
in
the
past
would
have
had
to
file
a
motion
and
sort
of
tip
everyone
off
that
this
was
happening.
E
E
I
have
only
denied
thus
far
a
couple
requests
which
were
just
way
above
and
beyond
what
was
reasonable
and
and
even
those
we
worked
with
the
attorney
to
get
it
to
a
level
that
was
manageable,
and
so
we've
been
able
to
get
a
lot
of
that
funding
out
the
door
that
previously
they
would
not
have
been
able
to
access,
and
so
this
is
really
just
a
request
to
beef
up
that
funding
next
year.
The
process
is
still
is
still
in
place
and
it's
a
good
process,
but
we
just
want
more
money
for
that.
L
Hi
pete
just
to
make
sure
this
is
clear
because
I'm
sorry,
I
walked
in
a
little
late
and
there
was
a
back
and
forth,
but
two
things,
one
the
county
general
fund
is
cannot
will
not
put
more
than
1.8
million
dollars
towards
your,
hopefully
15
million
dollar
budget
or
14.4
plus
1.8
whatever.
That
is.
I.
E
L
O
L
About
just
in
money
terms,
and
then
looking
at
your
your
org
chart,
you
have
one
staff
member
paid
for
with
oakland
county
taxes
and
nine
others
paid
for
with
state
grant
correct.
Okay,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
okay!
Thank
you.
E
Correct
the
the
plan
would
be
to
start
the
public
defender's
office
because
we
have
to
find
space
for
these
people.
The
plan
would
be
to
start
that
office
at
the
south
oakland
building
in
troy,
there's
some
space
there
that
we've
looked
at
with
facilities
that
we
think
would
be
appropriate.
E
E
Right
this
is
why
I
was
curious,
yeah.
Well,
this
the
setup,
the
the
setup
would
be
sort
of
in
the
south
west
corner.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
picture
it,
but
it's
southwest
corner
and
it's
a
room
where
we
would
have
some
some
cubicle
setups
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
access
one,
possibly
two
enclosed
offices.
There's
another
conference
room
that
we
need
to
talk
with
I.t
about
it's
a
clemis
training
room,
I'm
not
sure
how
frequently
or
often
that
room
is
used.
M
So,
with
the
the
the
like
the
the
fee
or
how
we're
paying
these
attorneys,
do
you
feel
that
our
rates
are
within
the
competitive
range
or,
if
not,
what
is
that
rate
like?
What
is
that
right
now
and
oh
wait,
one
more
thing:
it's
a
two
part:
the
inflation
bill
that
I
think
that
federal
is
signing
or
the
president
supposedly
put
a
cap
or
he's
doing.
M
I
don't
know,
what's
all
in
that
and
if
you
have
been
able
to
review
that,
do
you
feel
that
that'll
kind
of
help
us
in
our
retaining
or
getting
you
know
better
attorneys
with
this
price
competitiveness.
E
Well,
I
I
would
say
that
our
current
rates,
I
don't
think,
are
competitive
and
that's
why
we
want
to
raise
them
for
next
year
and
beyond.
The
midc
standard.
Eight
rate
is
what
what
all
systems
sort
of
use
as
a
guide.
So
that's
that
120
to
an
hour
for
capital,
110
an
hour
for
non-capital,
felonies
and
then
100
an
hour
for
misdemeanors.
E
E
L
And
you
brought
that
up,
I
feel,
like
I
heard
this
from
an
attorney
and
I
might
be
misremembering,
but
capital
cases
used
to
get
like
a
twelve
hundred
dollar
check
for
the
whole
thing
or
something
right
or
what
was
that
yeah?
It.
E
L
Then
it
would,
the
attorney
would
right,
they
would
want
to
spend
10
hours
or
less
to
get
the
same
amount
of
money
right,
but
this
is
about
someone's
life
and
a
lot
of
things
to
figure
out.
Okay,
is
there
anything
in
your
budget
that
either
from
the
state
or
locally
that
you're
wishing
you
had,
because
I
meant
I
heard
you
talking
about
standard
six
and
seven
yeah
that
there
might
be
a
lag?
E
Well,
I
I
think
the
I
think
the
general
answer
is
there
anything
that
we
wish
we
had
yes
from
the
state.
Certainly
I
think
the
problem
is
how
we
quantify
that,
especially
as
we
go
through
the
next
year.
You
know
I
can.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
would
love
for
the
state
to
write
me.
A
30
million
dollar
grant
check
and
say
I'm
going
to
pay
all
the
cases
hourly
right
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
year,
because
our
grant
is
an
unexpended
funds
grant.
E
So,
whatever
we
don't
spend,
we
we
have
to
return
to
the
state.
They
don't
like
to
have
a
huge
amount
of
unexpended
funds,
because
the
state
doesn't
want
to
give
us
a
bunch
of
money
that
we're
not
going
to
spend
so
there's
an
inherent
conflict
there.
Where
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
say
listen,
I
can't
tell
you
what
our
caseload's
going
to
be
next
year,
because
we're
dealing
with
all
this
kobe
backlog.
E
But
if
you
gave
me
30
million
dollars,
I
can
pay
everyone
hourly
guaranteed
and
I'll
probably
still
be
giving
you
about
seven
million
dollars
back
at
the
end
of
the
year
right
they're
not
going
to
do
that,
because
that's
not
how
the
grant
works.
So
are
there
things
I
wish
we
could
get
or
I
want?
Yes
are
those
things
that
the
state
is
is
going
to
give
us
realistically,
no
probably
not.
A
A
Is
our
performance
improvement?
Improving,
I
understand
you're
new.
You
don't
have
all
that
yet,
but
that
would
be
one
thing
the
other
departments
are
coming
with
that
and
then
it's
measurable
things
that
we
all
understand
the
language.
E
We
talked,
I
mean,
that's
a
great
point,
commissioner.
We
talked
a
little
bit
internally
about
the
kpis,
because
you
know
all
the
departments
have
been
going
through
kpi
training.
There
was
some
sense
from
the
organization
that
was
doing
the
kpi
training
that
a
department
like
ours
was
a
little
different
and,
and
now
was
not
this
year,
was
not
the
time
to
be
doing
that.
But
I,
but
I
take
your
point
and
I
I
understand
it
and
I
think,
especially
as
we
develop
the
public
defenders
office
and
as
we
implement
these
new
rates.
A
And
you
were,
I
don't
know
if
you
were
sitting
in
on
the
previous
one
but
yeah
there.
There
are
things
that
are
highlighted
that
at
some
point
we're
going
to
want
to
change
we're
going
to
say
we're
not
doing
this
well
enough
or
we're
not
reaching
the
right
population
or
whatever
so
they're
an
important
tool
but
yeah
the
fact
that
you're
not
really
in
the
position
yet
to
know
what
those
are
yet
is
understandable.
So
right.
E
Well
well-
and
I
would
also
say
just
as
we
think
through
that
we
do
need
to
be
careful
about
recognizing
that
the
mission
of
the
division
and
the
grant
funding
is
to
provide
indigent
adult
defense,
and
so,
while
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
that
we
can
learn
from
our
data,
we
also
don't
want
to
stray
too
far
into
developing
kpis
for
things
that
we
can't
legally
do
under
our
grant
is
is
all
I
will
say.
A
A
O
A
C
Q
A
That's
okay!
Thank
you.
All
right!
We're
going
to
get
started
with
our
last
group
of
the
day,
the
prosecuting
attorney
and
her
staff
welcome
and
we're
going
to.
Let
you
go
through
your
presentation
and
then
we'll
have
questions
okay,
so.
A
D
Madam
chair,
yes
ma'am,
I'm
just
to
say
that
left
microphone,
the
lady
sitting
next
to
prosecutor
yeah,
sometimes
that
microphone
is,
is
so
light
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware.
Oh
thank
you.
That's
betsy.
O
For
that
reason,
I
hope
you
allow
me
to
yield
some
of
my
time
for
the
budget
and
address
something
that
is
far
more
important,
but,
of
course,
impacts
our
budget
within
hours
of
the
shooting.
It
was
abundantly
clear
that
we
had
no
infrastructure
or
protocol
for
this
size
of
a
catastrophe
and
that
we
that
what
people
of
our
county
needed
most
was
information,
transparency
and
communication
from
their
elected
officials.
I
immediately
reached
out
and
asked
for
help
in
crisis
management.
O
I
needed
a
specialized
team
to
handle
press
messaging
and
outreach,
both
the
county
executive
and
the
board
approved
it
and
provided
it.
I
believe
this
was
instrumental
in
the
aftermath
of
the
aftermath
of
this
tragedy.
Within
days
of
issuing
charges,
I
was
met
with
significant
threats
to
my
life
requiring
around
the
clock
security.
My
investigators
reached
out
to
the
sheriff's
office
and
the
county
leadership
and
it
was
provided.
O
O
O
It
was
provided,
I
say
all
this
because,
despite
the
fact
that
the
last
nine
months
have
been
some
of
the
most
difficult
for
me,
both
professionally
and
personally,
I
have
never
been
prouder
to
be
a
citizen
of
this
county
as
leaders
we
all
work
together
as
we
should,
despite
where
we
came
from
or
what
letter
was
after
our
name.
I
did
not
feel
alone
in
it.
I
felt
and
still
feel,
that
I
am
privileged
to
both
live
and
lead
in
this
county.
O
The
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
one
of
gratitude.
I
thank
each
of
you
for
your
dedication
and
support
and
your
service
to
this
county.
We
have
requested,
in
my
opinion,
reasonable
and
appropriate
budget
increases
that
are
in
keeping
with
the
proposed
budget
digitalizing.
Our
documents
in
cases
remains
a
crucial
need
and
an
ongoing
project.
We
are
doing
our
best
to
achieve
this
without
additional
budget
increases,
but
expect
that
more
resources
will
be
needed.
We
strive
to
retain
and
attract
good
candidates
in
a
very
challenging
climate.
O
Once
the
full
digitalization
is
completed,
our
goal
is
to
focus
on
outcomes
of
data
gathering,
so
we
can
determine
where
racial
disparities
exist,
as
well
as
free
up
time
to
devote
to
assistant
prosecutors
at
arraignments
to
reform
our
wealth-based
bail
system.
I
will
refer
questions
to
my
team,
david
williams
and
betsy
hague.
O
The
three
of
us
I
wanna
just
know,
spend
significant
amount
of
time
at
every
moment
of
every
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
we
are
dedicated
to
making
sure
that
we
are
running
as
efficiently
as
as
possible.
I
do
need
to
note
that
the
current
litigation,
where
I
am
listed
as
a
named
defendant
in
the
litigation
sought
by
the
governor
after
the
overturning
of
roe
v
wade,
has
taken
a
significant
amount
of
our
resources,
along
with
the
daily
demands
of
prosecuting
those
responsible
for
the
oxford
shooting.
O
Multiple
civil
attorneys
in
cases
and
two
prosecutions
requires
an
enormous
amount
of
time.
This
occurs,
of
course,
on
the
top
of
the
daily
tasks
and
duties
of
running
our
office
and
the
nearly
6
000
warrants
we've
that
have
been
submitted
and
reviewed
since
january
1st
and
the
nearly
5
thousands
that
have
been
issued
since
january
1st
of
2022.
O
A
Well,
thank
you.
I
will
at
this
time
open
it
up
to
the
commission
to
ask
questions,
make
comments.
Commissioner
powell.
Q
Q
Yes,
so
what
we
needed
was
three
things:
we
needed
document
management,
evidence,
management
and
case
management
which
all
sound
similar
but
they're
not
the
same.
Fortunately,
the
document
management
is
being
addressed
to
the
rolling
out
of
laser
fish
throughout
the
county
and
we're
on
the
cusp
of
having
that
they
had
to
set
it
up
for
us
test
it.
But
we're
about
to
have
that
so
document
management
is
taken
care
of.
Q
Q
O
Which
we
needed
to
implement
quickly,
and
I
finally
just
said
we're
doing
it.
So
I
was
here
at
7
15
in
the
morning
on
july
11,
which,
incidentally,
was
my
birthday
and
the
best
present
ever
and
personally
there
when
the
first
electronic
warrant
was
submitted
and
said:
if
we
don't
create
paper
files,
then
they
can't
there
won't
be
them,
but
this
is
a
makeshift,
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
this
is
just
what
every
prosecuting
attorney
and
district
attorney's
office
in
the
country
has.
O
Q
And
so
you
asked
the
question:
do
we
have
what
we
need?
We
don't
have
those
things
yet,
but
we've
been
working
with
the
county
executive's
office
to
identify
our
funding
for
the
first
initial
chunk
of
that,
because
it's
very
expensive
to
get
the
case
management
system
at
the
beginning.
It
was
very
expensive.
It's
like
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
ish
they're
gonna
have
659,
I
think,
is
the
number
but
they're
they're
going
to
help
us
identify
funding
for
that.
Q
O
And
also
just
to
look
we're
doing
the
makeshift
and
it's
it's
working
and
this
was
sort.
This
was
a
deliberate
timing
issue
for
me.
I
came
here
last
year
and
asked
for
a
lot
of
money,
and
then
I
came
six
months
ago
nine
months
ago
and
asked
for
a
lot
of
money
for
for
the
oxford
prosecution
and
I'm
mindful
of
that,
so
we're
doing
the
best
we
can.
O
But
these
it
is
critical.
I
mean
it's
it's
very
important
if
this
is
not
a
question
of
when
it's
provided,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
provided
if
we
want
to
actually
just
get
up
to
speed
with
the
rest
of
prosecutor
and
district
attorney's
offices.
I
don't
know
if
I
shared
this
before,
but
we've
been
hiring
prosecutors
from
across
the
state.
Much
to
my
other
prosecutors
dismay,
but
you
know
I,
I
will
welcome
them
and
say
hey:
how
do
you
like
oakland
county?
O
You
know
we're
so
advanced
and
what
do
you
think
they're
getting
paid
more
and
across
the
board?
They
always
say
this
job
is
so
much
harder
because
there's
no
technology,
you
don't
have
digital
files.
They
had
those
in
bay
county,
they
have
them
in
the
upper
peninsula,
they
have
them.
So
I
don't
want
to
you
know
I
we're
doing
the
best
we
can,
but
I
this
is
going
to
be
an
issue,
so
this
is.
M
M
So
why
isn't
it
looked
at
or
treated
as
a
priority,
and
we
knew
she
was
very.
Our
prosecutor
has
been
very
transparent
with
us
in
what
she
came
into,
because
our
last
prosecutor
didn't
have
her
together
and
that
department
was
not
together
and
anybody
that
is
questioning.
If
I
had
caught
a
case,
I
would
have
been
up
and
down
oakland
county
trying
to
figure
out
for
them
to
recheck
fact
everything,
because
her
office
was
not
up
to
speed.
M
So
now
we
have
a
new
prosecutor
and
I'm
hoping
everybody
here
how
I
feel
and
she's
asking
for
what
she's
asking
for
and,
in
my
personal
opinion,
is
not
it's
not
a
lot
of
money.
No,
but
what
we
spend
just
let
me
say
I
know
you
got
to
be
fair.
I
don't
have
to
really
be
fair
when
we're
trying
to
advocate
for
departments
to
be
up
brought
up
to
speed
to
do
their
work.
M
And
again
I
say
this
all
the
time,
I'm
about
support
staff
if
we
cannot
give
them
the
tools
to
really
do
their
jobs.
We
have
a
problem,
so
I'm
going
to
strongly
encourage
our
executive
team
and
us
commissioners
to
revisit
and
understand
everything
that
these
prosecutor
attorneys
need
because
she
came
into
a
half
hazardous
issue
anyway,
to
where
she
was
not
up
to
speed.
So
please
can
we
help
her
and
I'm
sorry
I'll
just
have
to
do
my
round.
Oh,
I
appreciate
that.
M
O
And
then,
when
I
was
the
elected
official,
I
can
hardly
get
people
on
the
phone.
I
think
it's
a
lack
of
12
years
no
advocating
for
resources.
Oh,
so
I
do
think
it's
it's
really.
How
do
you
you
don't
know
what
you
don't
know
you
you
didn't,
have
anybody
advocating
for
the
prosecutor's
office,
which
is
really
important,
but
again,
you
know
also,
if
anyone's
wondering
about
this
specific
issue.
Commissioner
spitz
we
toured
him
around
within
the
first.
I
don't
know
three
or
four
months
and
he's
the
one
that
pointed
out
to
me.
O
O
M
Well,
I
just
want
to
put
on
record
that
you
do
have
a
commission.
Our
ears
is
open,
especially
finance.
I
see
I
could
just
look
at
some
of
our
faces
and
we're
kind
of
devastated
here.
So
at
least
I
know
that
we're
listening
and
we
have
been
team
players
and
making
sure
our
departments,
you
know
rightfully
kind
of
get
it.
I
do
know
some
of
us
with
the
budget,
understanding
and
finance
which
I
lack.
O
A
good
example
of
that.
To
be
honest,
is
you
know
up?
I
look
at
all
of
your
your
ipads
and
you
have
stands
and
you
have.
You
have
electronic
access
to
all
the
documents
that
you
had
to
prepare
today
until
recently
assistant
prosecutors,
walking
into
courts
with
their
documents
with
their
files.
It
called
for
boxes
and
boxes
every
day
they
had
no
electronic
database
to
even
look
anything
up
until
july
11th.
O
M
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
powell.
I
have
a
question
about
the
and
I'll
just
throw
it
in
now,
because
we
were
talking
about
it.
So
I
I
was
speaking
to
a
circuit
court
judge
a
few
weeks
ago,
who
was
telling
me
that
their
case
management
files
that
they
go
somewhere
else
out
of
state
and
they
have
to
bring
them
back,
and
it's
a
big
time
delay.
Is
that
related
to
what
you're
talking
about
or
is
that
a
different
situation.
Q
O
They
are
court
again
being
a
former
judge,
court
admin
really
does
and
and
the
the
court
I.t
part
they.
They
really
do
know
what
the
problem
is.
If
you
ask
them,
different
judges
have
different.
They
see
slivers
of
it
of
what
the
problem
is,
but
but,
in
general,
when
I
was
a
circuit
court
judge,
if
I
asked
for
something
they
I
received
it.
If
I
needed,
I
wanted
my
paperless
files,
I
didn't
want
files,
and
I
was
one
of
the
few
judges
and
I
wanted
to
electronically
prepare.
So
I
was
provided
with
that.
O
A
So
they're
not
really
related.
Okay.
Next
up
is
commissioner
charles,
followed
by
commissioner
moss,
and
then
commissioner
second
time,
and
then
commissioner
cabell
and
okay.
So,
commissioner,
charles
floor
is
yours,.
D
Terrific
thank
you
prosecutor,
mcdonald.
I
just
want
you
know.
I'm
super
jelly
at
your
birthday
being
7-eleven.
D
We
all
get
them
yeah,
you
mentioned
again.
D
O
The
first
I'll
address
the
first
question:
the
there's
a
difference
between
having
someone
in
the
office
who
knows
how
to
organize
a
press
conference
and
somebody
who's
skilled
in
crisis
management,
which
it
took
me
about
48
hours
to
realize
I
called
david
coulter
immediately.
Look
I'm
going
to
need
somebody.
I
didn't
really
even
have
a
true
comms
person.
I
did.
O
We
didn't
have
that
so
he
said
well,
our
comms
person
has
some
time
and
was
a
few
hours
a
day
and
it
became
I
mean
we
were
getting
hundreds
of
calls
and
remember
when
that
was
going
on.
There
was
just
a
need
by
from
the
public,
not
just
here
but
all
over
the
country
to
know
what
is
going
on
when
that,
when
the
details
were
released,
what
are
you
going
to
do
about
it?
That
was
so
important,
and
that
starts
with
the
community.
O
With
communication
and
transparency,
we
had
no
idea
how
to
organize
and
communicate
with
hundreds
of
media
outlets,
national
international
outlets.
Absolutely
no
clue.
We
had
no
idea
what
language
to
use
that
would
not.
That
would
communicate
what
we
needed
to,
but
not
in
a
way
that
would
cause
more
panic
or
be
concise,
and
so
that
is
what
we
needed.
So
we
we
were
able
to
secure
an
outside
firm,
local
outside
firm
for
a
very
short
period
of
time
to
that
had
those
connections
and
knew
how
to
knew
what
to
do
and
how
to
do
it.
O
I
mean
we
had
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
of
media
requests,
so
crisis
management-
I
don't
know
what
the
county
has
now.
I
know
that
there
was
not
a
crisis
management
resource
for
us
to
access
which,
if,
if
there
isn't
something
like
that,
it
might
be
interesting
to
to
look
at
and
then
we
were
able
to
transition
into
just
a
regular
news
media
person
who
could
issue
releases
we're
lawyers.
We
are
lawyers,
we
are
not
skilled.
O
In
that
I
mean
I'm
becoming
unfortunately
more
skilled
than
I
want
to
be,
but
I
still
don't
have
the
time,
nor
does
david
or
betsy
just
to
issue
press
releases.
That's
not
what
we're
really
paid
to
do.
So
that
is
what
I'm
talking
about.
We,
for
the
most
part,
I
think,
have
have
filled
those
gaps,
but
that
look,
I
hope
we
never
ever
ever
need
that
again.
B
Q
Q
That's
a
facilities
thing
we
sort
of
took
that
as
I
guess,
that's
how
it
works.
But
I
I
really
don't
know
about
our
our
fire
suppression
system
and
I
I
guess
I
do
have
concerns
it's
just
not
something.
We've
frankly
taken
up
or
addressed
no.
J
D
Just
to
close
my
moment
here
with
just
saying
I
hear
you
know,
we
had
our
emergency
management
folks
here
last
week
and
to
me
crisis
intervention
or
crisis
planning,
and
things
like
that
being
firmly
placed
under
that
department.
So
I'd
like
to
follow
up
with
that,
since
we
still
have
some
time
with
these
hearings
and
then
facilities.
So
those
are
the
two
takeaways
that
I
got
from
those
responses,
as
dear
aaron
is
capturing
some
of
these
things.
Thank
you.
O
I
mean,
I
think
everybody
here
knows
on
that
friday
night,
what
happened
at
in
oxford
when
they
tried
to
have
a
vigil
and
exec.
You
know
county
executive
coulter
was
there
and
there
was
something
went
through
the
crowd
and
there
was
pure
panic.
You
know
it
took
the
sheriff
getting
on
stage
to
try
to
calm
people
down
that.
Q
I
just
want
to
add
that
we
had
these
very
significant,
immediate,
short-term
needs
which
were
funded
so
like
this
pr
help
with
press
releases
and
press
conferences
with
you
know
dozens
of
cameras.
We
got
help
with
that,
but
as
quickly
as
possible,
we
got
away
from
having
to
use
that
outside
help.
We
needed
outside
security
and
with
the
oxford
mr
funding,
we
were
able
to
get
someone
to
do
security
to
take
it
off
of
the
outside
payroll.
So
we've
well.
O
Actually,
just
stopped
wanting
to
use
a
driver
because
I
was
so
cognizant
of
how
much
money
it
cost.
So
then
we
decided
it
was
cheaper
if
we
hired
him
as
part
of
our
investigator,
so
that
we're
it's
just
more
cost
effective
because
yeah
I
mean
for
a
period
of
time.
It
was
it
wasn't.
It
was
intense,
so
so.
Q
We've
been
very
cognizant
about
not
asking
for
positions
if
we
don't
really
need
them
long-term,
about
filling
those
gaps.
With
this
emergency
funding,
we
got
you'll
notice,
we've
not
asked
for
any
new
attorneys
for
oxford,
or
for
this
year
one
of
the
things
we've
talked
about.
We
we
have
an
issue
in
the
office
right
now,
a
backlog
of
cases
and
people
said
we
need
more
people
and
karen
has
said,
stop.
Q
If
we
need
more
people,
we
will
go
ask
for
it,
but
the
first
thing
to
do
is
figure
out
where
the
problem
is
so
our
go-to
is
not
to
come
to
you
and
ask
for
positions
or
or
money
it's
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
with
the
resources
we
have
and
make
sure.
When
we
come
to
you,
it's
something
that,
because.
O
Q
F
You
well
first
of
all,
madam
prosecutor,
thank
you
for
coming
here
for
all
that
you
you
did
during
the
tragedy
to
oxford
and
appreciate.
Obviously,
that's
taken
a
toll,
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
here
and
and
shared
that
with
us.
So
thank
you
again
for
all
you
do
and
all
your
staff
has
done.
F
O
Need
the
trial
is
probably
going
to
be
in
january
of
2023,
and
I've
stopped
using
the
words
when
this
is
over,
because
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
be
soon
so
yeah.
Yes,.
F
I
don't
use
the
words
deficiencies,
but
when
you
know
when,
when
you
say
the
equivalent
of
a
war,
comes
you
find
that
there's
things
you
didn't
know
didn't
think
about
and
have
to
consider
and
the
response
to
crisis
that
you're
talking
about
you
know
these
are
these
are
simply
deficiencies,
you
don't
know
until
you
have
to
deal
with
them.
They're,
they're
well
put
and
they're
well
diagnosed,
and
I
see
going
forward
on
even
county
level.
Third,
I
have
a
question
about
digitalization.
F
Q
O
They
were
digital
before
that,
and
they
have
they
have
a
litigation
support
division
in
their
office
that
we
that
they've
had
for
yeah
we've
hired
wayne
county
a
wayne
county
prosecutor
he's
on
our
team
of
how
to
help
us
digitalize
because
he's
been
at
wayne
county.
Yes,
an
underfunded
county
has
more
resources
than
we
do,
but
again,
I'm
not
all
about.
Thank
you.
It's
terrible,
terrible,
terrible
I'm!
O
I
know
why
and
we're
working
to
fix
it,
but
you
I
just
want
to
be
as
completely
transparent
as
possible,
and
we've
we've
extended
this
invitation
at
any
moment.
Anyone
wants
to
to
come
over
and
we'll
show
you
what
what
we've
done
with
the
money
you've
given
us.
I
think
you'll
be
happy
and
then
also
where
what
we're
really
talking
about.
F
You,
if
only
the
you
know,
it's
not
just
the
smaller
ones,
where
you
have
much
time,
yeah.
O
F
O
J
F
You
know
we've
got
yes,
we
do,
which
is
why
we're
talking
with
the
prosecutor
here
about
it.
So
anyway,
all
right.
So
anyway,
it's
like.
I
said
it's
sort
of
shocking
as
we've
had
a
parade
of
people
coming
in
in
the
budget
about
how
they're
they're
doing
fine
and
they
want
to
do
better
and
they're
doing
fine,
and
they
want
to
do
better
and
they're
doing
fine
and
they
can
they've
got
this
or
that
that
should
be
remedied.
F
But
the
distance
that
needs
to
be
made
up
is
is
disturbing.
So
thank
you
for
coming
and
once
again,
I'm
sorry
that
it
I'm
sorry
that
it
takes
a
such
a
tragedy
of
that
magnitude
to
expose
the
need,
but.
O
I
mean
the
digitalization
to
be
fair,
was
clear
since
day
one,
but
I
mean
look.
I
took
office
and
this
is
just
has
to
be
said.
After
the
primary,
the
prosecutor
was
never
basically
back
in
the
building.
There
was
no
leadership,
so
that's
from
august.
Until
january
1
there
was
really
no
attempt
to
fill
positions,
no
leadership,
nothing,
no
transition.
When
I
asked
for
any
information,
they
said
it
didn't
exist,
I
mean
I'm
not.
O
O
There
was
coveted.
We
had
prosecutors
being
trained
remotely
at
home
without
really
good
technology.
I
mean
there
were
a
lot
of
the
the
carpet
was
ripped
and
stained.
In
the
I
mean
there
were
typewriters
and
vcrs
everywhere
I
mean
it
was
a
problem.
The
the
digitalization
was
on
the
radar,
but
I
was
aware
that
laserfiche
we
would
just
continually
had
been
put
at
the
bottom
of
the
list
at
the
request
of
the
former
prosecutor.
O
So
I
thought
laserfiche
is
going
to
be
the
answer,
but
it
just
was
not
coming
and
I
formed
an
internal
task
force
immediately
about
how
do
we
digitalize?
How
do
we
digitalize
well
assistant
prosecutors,
have
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
and
they
weren't
like
super
excited
to
give
up
paper.
People
aren't
right
and,
and
so
right
exactly
so.
O
There
was
a
really
kind
of
serious
event
that
led
me
to
believe,
which
was
about
500
files
were
brought
to
my
attention
that
had
literally
just
been
living
in
people's
offices
in
boxes
and
they
represented
misdemeanors
that
had
been
dismissed,
many
of
them
domestic
violence
and
there's
no
way
to
track
them.
So
nobody
even
knew
that
they
weren't
being
turned
in
and
memos
were
supposed
to
be
writing,
but
they
were
over
worked.
And
the
point
is,
I
didn't
sleep
that
night,
because
I
thought
you
know
what
these
are
victims.
O
Each
one
of
those
people
are
victims,
and
I
I
know
we've
got
this
tragedy
going
on
and
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
other
stuff,
but
this
is,
I
can't
wait,
we're
not
waiting,
and
so
I
came
in
and
I
said
we're
going
digital,
it's
going
to
happen
monday
and
it
was
like
wednesday
and
I
knew
we
had
the
workaround
and
we
I
knew
we
had
the
structure,
but
everybody
wants
to
wait
and
wait
and
wait
and
wait.
And
finally,
I
said
no
we're
doing
it.
It
was
difficult,
but.
Q
O
Has
people
don't
like
to
change,
but
so
so
did
the
crisis
put
a
highlight
on
that
yeah
and
here's
actually
you're
right.
This
is
this
is
something
I
have
to
say.
O
We
received
the
the
assistance
in
oxford
when
we
needed
it
and
we
got
a
secure
drive
and
everything
was
stored.
Digital
there's,
no
there's
no
paper
file
within
the
oxford
cases
either
one
of
them.
So
I
knew
it
was
possible
and
I
knew
I
was
working
with
it.
I'm
I'm
personally
prosecuting
one
of
those
cases,
and
so
once
I
had
our
team-
and
I
said
this
is
possible-
we
just
need
a
workaround
and
a
place
to
store
our
files.
O
I
can't
wait
around
until
we
get
our
millions
of
dollars
for
this
and
that
did
help
me
realize
we.
We
got
it
done
in
oxford
right.
So
if
we
can
get
it
done
in
oxford,
I
thought
we
can
get
this
done,
and
that
is
what
we've
been
doing.
But
it's
just
it's
just
a
workaround
at
this
point,
but
it's
better
than
what
we
had
redundant.
F
Senior
storage,
I
would
hope
having
having
had
hard
disk
files
in
my
crashes
of
my
own,
that
I
don't
even
talk
about
it,
yeah
so
yeah,
but
good.
All
right.
Thank
you.
Questions
I'd
say
tough.
Coming
into
the
21st
century.
I
guess
you
have
to
come
to
the
20th.
First
yeah,
hey.
F
A
Yeah,
okay,
you
done
mr
commissioner
moss.
L
The
first
about
all
this
document
stuff,
you
have
an
arpa
request.
If
I
read
that
right,
yes,
okay,
yeah,.
L
O
L
110K
a
year,
okay,
so
it'll
be
fixed.
Okay.
Oh
I
kind
of
shifting
gears
a
little
bit.
Do
you
experience
many
cases
of
wage
theft
and
those
sorts
of
things,
and
if
so,
how
do
you
work
on
those
if,
at
all,.
O
O
But
that
is
not
something
that
I
know
like
my
colleague
in
washington
county
has
been
able
to
focus
on
because
he
has
a
little
more
time
on
his
hands
so
but
ellie,
and
I
talk
all
the
time-
and
I
I
think
what
he's
doing
is
great.
We
just
I
just
don't-
have
the
resources
right
right
now
at
this
moment
to
to
focus
on
that.
L
What
what
are
the
resources
that
that
has
to
look
like
over
time.
O
Probably
people,
but
before
we
do
that,
we
would
need
to
really
understand
and
get
training
provided
to
law
enforcement,
which
would
require
educating
the
public
about
when
to
make
a
police
report
in
that
situation.
L
Okay,
understood:
do
you
interact
a
lot?
The
probate
court
came
through
and
I
believe
they
said
that
you
have
a
staff
member
that
helps
with
conservatorships
and
like
adult
guardians.
Is
that
right
or
is
that
something
that
you're
seeing
or
maybe
they
said
they'd
be
nice
to
have?
Maybe
I'm
misremembering,
I
think
they've.
Q
Said
it'd
be
nice
to
have
them
contacted
before
there's
sometimes
some
overlap
in
the
probate
court,
where
they
feel
there's
an
issue
and
would
like
our
input,
but
that's
never
been
formalized.
Okay,
we
don't
have
anyone
dedicated
to
that
right
now,.
O
L
And
then
you,
the
last
question
you
mentioned
wealth-based
bail
has
been
I
thought
of
you
when
I
included
that
good
looking
out.
Thank
you.
I
looked.
O
Getting
our
district
courts,
which
are
a
challenging
group
of
people
to
all
agree
on
when
arraignments
will
take
place
so
absent
having
one
dedicated
prosecutor,
all
the
time
available
to
every
district
court,
and
sometimes
that
would
be
more
than
one,
because
how
many
district
courts
there's
30.
No,
we.
Q
O
We
don't
have
those
people
so,
but
what
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
district
court
bench
that
agrees
to
conduct
virtual
arraignments
and
then
within
my
warrants,
division
have
a
dedicated
prosecutor
as
part
of
their
job.
They
also
will
attend
arraignments
so
that
that's
that's
a
start
and
we
started
that
pilot
project.
We
have
about
three
or
four
district
court
judges
who
are
believe
it's
really
important
and
b
are
amenable
to.
You
know
the
minute
you
start
talking
about
when
they
should
do
certain
things,
they
feel
there's
a
real
sense
of
being.
O
You
know
you
don't
control
my
docket
we're
too
busy.
You
know
we
can't
do
that.
We
can't
do
that,
I'm
a
little
less
compassionate
because
I'm
a
former
judge.
So
you
know
it's
it's
it's
an
issue.
But
again
that
is
definitely
something
on
my
radar
that
I
just
haven't
had
a
chance
to
tackle
if
it
were
just
fixed
with
resources.
I
think
I
would
have
probably
come
with
you
for
a
solution,
but
it's
not
resources.
O
L
O
And
also
bar
pinky
yeah,
okay,
she's
really
going
to
be
instrumental.
I
think
in
and
moving
that
forward
cool.
This
is
just
something
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
fix
at
the
prosecutor's
office.
It's
going
to
have
to
be
addressed
with
district
court
judges
and
community
corrections
and
law
enforcement.
All
working
together.
M
Okay,
commissioner
powell,
I
just
wanted
to
put
on
record-
I
know
I
said
this
before,
but
our
prosecutor
had
hosted
an
expungement,
fair
and
it
was
housed
in
pontiac
and
I
actually
was
able
to
participate
in
it
with
the
individual
to
walk
through
the
whole
process,
and
it
was
a
phenomenal
event,
and
I
wanted
to
just
say
if
in
fact
well
one
I
want
to
ask:
are
you
still
planning
to
continue
that
and
if
there's
any
barriers
you
see,
I
would
love
for
you
to
bring
those
before
the
board
so
that
something
like
that
that
I
witnessed
myself
and
I
would
encourage
you
all
the
next
one-
please
go
and
just
witness
it.
M
M
One-Stop
shop
and
really
all
you
have
to
do-
is
mail,
your
paperwork
off
now
my
situation
was
a
little
different,
but
I
thank
betsy
for
helping
me
with
some
things,
but
for
the
most
part
I
just
want
us
to
continue
supporting
that
event,
and
if
you
do,
are
you
planning
to
continue
them
and
just
encourage
you?
If
you
see
any
barriers,
please
let
the
commission
know
so.
We
know
to
try
to
help
support
it.
M
O
And
attorneys
well
from
my
office
assistant
prosecutors,
I
was
driven
there
by
one
of
our
investigators
and
who
was
ex-law
enforcement
retired
and
he
was
a
little
skeptical
of
the
whole
thing.
Everything
sort
of
changed
right
and
at
one
point
in
the
fair
I
looked
over
and
he
was
chatting
with
somebody
who
I
didn't
know
and
when
we
got
back
in
the
car
he
said
you
know
there
was
this.
There
was
my
friend
and
I
said,
oh
who
was
he
said.
Well,
he
he
was
the
paramedic
in
farmington
hills
forever.
O
I've
known
that
guy
forever.
He's
amazing-
and
I
said
oh
really
he's
like
he
had
a
felony
on
his
record
and
it
was
for
something
obviously
not
violent,
not
and
his
eyes
were
opened
like
he
said
that
guy
that
conviction
that
was
20
years
ago
and
it
was
holding
him
back
to
do
other
things
that
that's
who
you
saw
at
that
fair,
and
so
it
is
really
really
important.
We
had
a
lot
of
help
from
the
county,
though,
in
that
correct,
yeah.
L
Yeah
we
did
partner
with.
Yes,
we
did
partner
with
the
county.
J
And
we
actually
have
our
upcoming
resource
fair
in
september.
I'm
sorry
yeah
in
september
right
we
have
a
racial.
O
Justice
resource
fair
in
another
one,
our
second
one
in
pontiac,
where
we
continue
to
educate
people.
We
do
not
have
another
expungement,
fair
scheduled,
but
that's
definitely
something
we're
going
to
be
doing.
M
Oh,
the
only
thing
I
would
suggest
is
make
sure
we
got
bigger
printers.
J
M
O
It's
reimagining
what
the
prosecutor's
role
is
right
and
I
struggle
with
it
too.
Traditionally,
it's
not
something
a
prosecutor's
office
would
do,
but
when
you
step
back
and
think
about
our
number,
one
goal
is
public
safety
and
a
lot
of
convictions
on
people's
record
they're
they're,
preventing
them
from
doing
what
we
want
people
to
be
doing:
securing
housing,
employment
being
more
stable.
All
of
that
makes
us
safer.
A
I
just
had
one
question
somewhere
in
here
in
your
material.
I
was
reading
about
your
employees
and
what
they've
been
through.
This
has
been
really
a
crazy
year
for
the
prosecutor's
office.
So
do
you
have
extra
mental
health
support
for
your
staff
and
every
thing
that
they've
been
going
through
or
how
are
you
dealing
with
that?
Because
we
don't
and.
O
You
know
I
I
have
to
say
a
lot
of
times.
I
get
a
lot
of.
I
grow
a
lot
just
watching
what
sheriff
bouchard's
been
he's
been
doing
this
so
long,
and
when
you
look
at
what
he's
been
able
to
provide
for
his
his
office
because
he
knows
how
to
use
outside
resources-
and
you
know
he
has
that
for
his
team.
We
do
not.
O
We,
we
had
a
couple
sessions
just
for
our
smaller
group
right
after
that
I,
with
the
the
county
provided
encompassed,
but
no
we
we
don't
have
that
and
we
would
yeah.
I
think
we
could
really
all
benefit
because
again,
you
know
we
we
aren't
necessarily
first
responders,
but.
O
So
we
just
went
to
visit
the
the
new
resiliency
center
in
oxford
that,
if
any
of
you
know
about
it's
really
impressive,
they
have
the
new
space
dedicated
counselors,
a
nurse
navigators
to
provide
that
kind
of
care
for
the
community,
and
I
was
at
the
time
thinking
we
really
do
need
something.
I
mean
we
stress
a
lot
these
webinars.
We
can
go
to
and
talks
about,
well-being
and-
and
I
I
focus
on
it-
a
lot,
but
no,
we
we
don't
have
anything
like
that.
A
O
And
I
think,
at
least
with
the
first
responders
I
think,
there's
a
real
community
and
understanding
and
accepting
now
that
that's
a
need,
but
I
don't
think
it's
quite
made
it
to
our
office
even
within
ourselves.
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
we
really
think
about,
but
I
can
I
mean
secondary
trauma
is
a
big.
It's
a
real,
it's
a
real
thing.
I
experience
as
a
judge
and-
and
I
mean
yeah-
we'll-
never
really
be
the
same
after
that.
You
know.
A
O
We
have
two
of
our
commissioners
have
agreed
to
sit
on
this
commission
and
people
from
all
over
the
country.
I'm
really
excited
about
that,
and
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
could.
We
could
be
looking
at
in
a
recommendation.
Betsy
hage
is
really
leading
up
along
with
markeisha
washington,
so
the
date
is
september.
D
I
just
want
to
follow
with
what
you
just
said,
commissioner
markham,
where
it
struck
me
that
we
get
those
letters
from
the
hr
departments.
I
forget
what
they're
called
the
kyle
jenn
is
there.
I
see
you
know
the
people
who
like,
if
you're
having
trouble
at
work
or,
if
you're,
just
not
feeling
robust
you
can
reach
out
to
those
folks.
I'm
just
curious.
A
Okay,
that's
a
good
point.
Good
question:
kyle
jenn
has
asked
if
he
could
have
a
couple
of
minutes
at
the
end
here.
Did
you
mean
at
the
end
of
the
prosecutor
or
just
at
the
end
of
our
meeting?
Okay?
Well,
if
we're
all
finished
with
the
prosecutor's
office.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you
so
much
we
admire
you
and
we
want
to
support
you
in
any
way.
We
can,
and
you
know
thank
you
for
all
you're
doing
I
mean
how
do
we
even.
A
O
I
mean
we
do
feel
supported,
and
I
I
meant
what
I
said
that
that
does
make
such
a
difference
in
how
we
do
our
job.
I
don't
feel
like
this
is
a
contentious
interaction
and
I
know
in
the
past
it
might
have
been,
but
I
don't
feel
that
way
at
all
and
I
think
if
any
good
or
anything
positive
has
come
out
of
that,
it
is
like
the
really
feeling
very
proud
that
how
how
we
all
are
really
willing
to
work
together
when
things
like
that
happen.
R
I'll
try
to
keep
it
to
an
hour
or
less.
Then
I
just
wanted
to
update
the
committee
on
one
process
thing
and
then
kind
of
comment
on
on
one
theme:
that's
kind
of
run
through
these
meetings
on
on
the
process
side,
you
know,
there's
there's
normally
a
list
of
budget
amendments.
We
bring
you
that
are
technical
in
nature,
so
either
kind
of
cleaning
up
things
that
have
happened
in
other
resolutions.
Since
we
put
the
budget
wreck
out
truing
that
up
or
things
that
were
technical
oversights
that
have
been
identified.
R
So
we
will
bring
that
list
to
you
on
thursday.
I
think
in
the
past
you
know,
there's
been
like
an
updated
list.
That's
been
brought
every
week
and
I
thought
you
know
for
the
sake
of
streamlining
the
process.
We
bring
the
list
once
and
explain
it
to
you
and
then
you
can
consider
it
at
your
budget
wrap
up
session
next
week.
The
second
thing
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
you
know:
there's
been
a
theme,
that's
run
through
some
of
these
hearings
in
terms
of
technology
and
facility
deficits.
R
I
just
want
to
assure
the
committee
that
the
county
executive
administration
is
acutely
aware.
You
know
that
we
we
do
have
substantial
needs
in
the
facility
nit
areas.
You
know
on
the
I.t
side,
you
know
you
heard
you.
You
heard
the
prosecutor
just
now
that
that
you
know
that
project
is
moving
through
our
process.
You
know,
we've
included
now
in
the
budget,
the
last
two
years,
a
pool
of
funding
that
can
be
accessed.
R
You
know
for
the
it
projects
that
rise
to
the
top
of
the
list
in
terms
of
of
criticality
the
circuit
court
casement,
you
know,
so
that's
that
that's
a
project
with
a
at
least
a
12-year
history
on
it.
You
know
that
we're
addressing
you
know
in
a
pretty
time
effective
way.
I
think
here
the
circuit
court
case
management
system.
That's
a
system,
that's
40
years
old.
R
You
know
the
rfp
was
funded
by
you
in
the
current
budget
and
is
getting
rolling.
That's
going
to
take
multiple
years
to
address
and
on
the
facility
side
you
know,
we've
also
got
you
know
we're
making
up
for
for
years
of
of
under
investment
here.
The
building
we're
in
right
now
is
60
years
old.
Clearly,
you
know
has
not
been
invested
in
to
keep
it
up
to
standards
and,
as
I've
mentioned
previously,
you
know,
we've
got
we've
got
plant
moran
doing.
The
assessment
of
our
full
campus
facility
needs
that's
45
buildings.
R
In
terms
of
of
understanding
the
numbers,
I
mean
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
number
here
that
I
think
approaches
a
billion
dollars
in
terms
of
potential
facility
spending,
so
we
are
certainly
a
healthy
county
in
terms
of
our
finances,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
continue
to
be
a
healthy
county
in
terms
of
our
finances,
and
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
do
this.
You
know
it's
a
problem.
That's
built
up
over
decades.
R
It's
a
problem
we're
going
to
have
to
address
over
at
least
a
decade,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
you
know
that
we
we
work
with
you
to
prioritize
that
we
do
things
in
a
strategic
way
that
we
don't
invest
money
to
address
a
facility
issue
here
in
a
space
that
can,
you
know,
potentially
be
consolidated
down
the
road.
So
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
I'm
just
punting,
but
I
want
you
to
know
we're
taking
active
steps
on
all
of
this.
R
We
recognize
the
size
of
the
problem
and
we're
gonna
work
to
you
know
start
bringing
you
the
first
steps.
You
know
in
a
plan
to
address
all
of
this
in
a
financially
responsible
and
sustainable
manner.
So
just
kind
of
wanted
to
add
that
context.
You
know,
as
I've
sat
through
these
hearings
and
and
heard
that
theme.
A
R
I
think
that's
a
very.
It
has
heard
that
message.
You
know
where
we,
we
brought
you
the
project.
You
know
on
the
evidence,
storage
under
the
jail
you
know
to
to
to
renovate
space
in
another
building
because
of
the
flooding
issues
there.
So
we
recognize
those
are
the
things
you
know
that
that
that
have
to
be
at
the
top
of
the
list.
Absolutely.