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Welcome everybody, so this is OS C meeting February 27.

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Welcome everybody, okay, so a few good things today continuing on a saga. Let's look at the development team agenda: February, 27, okay, so first, looking at the team numbers we're kind of down here, we kind of got this bump and going down a little bit, but it's good to track this.

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We're gonna explode this, though, in a few months, though, after we post the hero, acts and get aligned with a book that I'm working on so good stuff, let's take a look at the second four at the roadmap as the first thing, so I'm putting two arrows in the roadmap. Here. Let me share mice Abe. Let me share my screen. There.

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So two things so we're trying to really put everything on a map for the whole 12 months with the immersion program in September. That's a big deal coming up as far as trying to scale the project getting some enterprises happening, but two things on the OSE immersion program. That's here's September! Let me zoom in on that.

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So a couple couple of notes, so we talked about distributive enterprise Abel. Would you mind taking some notes if you can?

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Okay, yeah there's the notes page on page, not I'm, gonna, reverse that yeah, the distributive enterprise store so in preparing for the open source, Leadership Summit in California next year, I was looking at the number of what of the tipping point for the open source economy. Okay, gar solves the seventy eight trillion dollar global economy and tipping point theory.

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Some papers out of Rensselaer say that it takes ten percent of the population before something actually goes viral and what would that mean for for open hardware and when you look at the numbers, if you look at the primary and secondary sectors which are hardware, that's mining and manufacturing, the third sector is services. In the three sector theory- and now the fourth sector is coming up, which is actually the experience economy.

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But if we look at the three sector theory, the first two sectors currently in a industrialized economy of America, there are 30%, but they influence fundamentally the third sector, which is which is your services, because everything revolves around materials that the services build on so I'm claiming ok, let's say we have to change the first two sectors of the economy, which is 30%, and what would it take if you can go through some numbers actually talk about this. A little more at length.

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Look at my open source, lift leadership summit, talk that should be posted in a weaker. The event didn't happen yet, but number is nine hundred something built billion as the volume that we have to achieve. How do we do it? Well, we we do. We replace common mundane objects like like fuel, like a house like a cordless drill like a camera, we have to start making them open-source and we can do a lot of that.

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Actually right now say you have a 3d printer and some basic designs, so so I want to introduce the concept of a distributive enterprise store where the collaboration is upon product open product development, but it is very directed at at replacing commercial proprietary goods with locally produced open-source ones, and so there's a direct human connection to the enterprise aspect once again, getting back to the reason, the financial feedback loops and any kind of development that can support livelihoods.

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But if we do that, I think there's a huge possibility around things that can be produced with it, with very basic tooling, like a 3d printer, a CNC circuit mill, a little laser cutter and up to a torch table which are all the things and a filament maker where you can get scrap and process that into useful objects like, for example, there's a there's, an open source, infrared camera out there that you can 3d print a case for you, get yourself a PI, zero and and a camera element and an IR element.

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And you can build a thermal camera software. So there's a lot of products like that it can be, can be made that are relatively simple, so it's worthwhile to develop enterprise develop a website where it's it's a networked kind of a website not not like a centralized platform like Amazon, because Amazon is centralized, but a networked enterprise where people develop products and then each person can put those products on their network like their individual node so distributed web sites like OSE could have. One abe could have a note.

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Anyone who wants one can put that and they can put products and put up put up a shopping basket and they would have to, of course, have the ability to fulfill that. So, if you have a 3d printer, you can print stuff out. That's a major tool. We can mill circuits with a circuit mill. We can. We can cut out little things with a laser cutter and we can provide parts, but parts can be dropped. Shipped, for example, out of Amazon there's, actually a thing called kit.com. You can take a look at that.

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We actually put the the refridgerator conversion, so this is dark mel things dark mo. We already set up one kit for the open source, refrigerate freezer to refrigerator converter. Basically, the device that lets you use ten times less power for your refrigeration needs. So that's kid calm entity things like that, but basically we can develop a bunch of products and the range of those products is pretty much any consumer grade: appliances and electronics. Little small things. You know vacuum cleaners, cordless drills, heaters, you name it I mean that phone.

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You can build yourself an open-source phone right now, of course, with proprietary components, but the range of products you can do is huge. So that's why around the DE store here, we've got the products we were talking about this phone microscope, camera drill, drone aerial drones! Think about that for planting your aquaponic greenhouse automatically with computer vision, film at the extruders small laser cutter, a print cluster, a print cluster, so basically a turnkey service where you can hook that up online and people can pay you to print stuff.

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So that's the de store and I'm thinking about. Maybe in a few weeks we start another OSE developer group were actually having a distribute enterprise developers. Meeting so there will be the plane developers meeting and then we move into the distributive enterprise meeting where we focus more on the enterprise aspect. So that means all the aspects of the website: fulfillment marketing organizational finances. All that that's made as open-source templates that anyone can borrow and not reinvent the wheel. I think that's a great idea. So so you heard it here.

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First I'm sure many people have talked about this, but but the the thing that we might be bringing to it is it's radically distributive, meaning that you can take the code or this. So our product designs are embed codes, our procedures for how you set this thing up and so forth. So it's really turnkey to set up these stores and and as time goes on we'll have you know we could develop a web platform that makes it very easy to do that. So that's that's awesome.

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Basically, the open source everything store where Amazon calls itself everything store. We could have the open source everything store, which is networked, cryptocurrency distributed blockchain. So there you go okay.

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The other thing I added to the OSE immersion program, is the d3d cnc circuit mode, actually wasn't on the on a critical path, looks like Shane's, making good progress on it and I would like to really accelerate it and if we need to we'll put it on hero X and once again, we haven't started the hero X for the cordless drill, which I want to gather some money for that for a nice big incentive, fries make it a a real, solid reward.

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I mean we're talking like a hundred K, but think about the value of that. If you do a competitive open-source, cordless drill that meets or exceeds industry standards, that is as good or better than a Makita or whatever or a rio b, then you there you go and then, of course it will be modular. So you can interchange all the tool.

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Heads just like I think black and deckers got one of those that have interchangeable tool heads, but that would be really sweet so think about a cordless drill that changes into a tiny, portable chainsaw to a circular saw to maybe a little laser engraver. Whatever you got. A very multi-purpose tool, so that's the critical path and the comment on that.

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Roadmap, bio, digester next, so so yeah. Some progress on the bio digester here, so the build is happening. If you take a look at that. So installing these are the these are the two bio digester totes each is a cubic meter. I and John I'd like to hear what the feedback was on the sanitation solution.

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Engineer's feedback on this, but here what we have so far as outlets inlets for the digest state or sorry, the feed feed Inlet, so that that's the feed pipe going from the kitchen and bathroom one-inch, it's actively pumped by macerator, lift pump and here's the gas out.

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That's the the butt hole of this digester here. The inlet is, if you see the detail, there's a that's the gas out pipe, but the gas out pipe actually reaches all the way to the bottom. But it's got a hole. You can see that hole actually in it.

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That's a hole through the pipe which, where the gas is pretty much trapped at the top of the digester, that's where it s escapes so that you were looking here at the feed pipe and here it's the actual outlet, gas pipe so great stuff there moving forward, hopefully gonna well, a goal is to finish out the this week: aquaponic greenhouse, hey, guys, there's some stuff growing in there, the the sweet potatoes started to pipe up so I I harvested them. So now we've got fish and sweet potatoes.

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So right now we could and some greens, so we can actually if the world collapsed tomorrow, I could probably live there off off, like 300 pounds of fish for a year. Okay, but I planted those the slips so we're seeing them for nectar. So it turns out that sweet potatoes are perennial. They just keep sprouting up from old vines. Even if you harvest the potato, see they sprout from the vines which is crazy. I didn't know that you can look at it.

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Aquaponics log on the wiki next, a swirl filter, so so the swirl swirl filter where's the page for that.

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Well here so swirl, here's the swirl filter, no comment there, but there's a very simple way that we can implement a swirl filter, believe it or not for over a year now the aquaponic towers are all that's been filtering the water, the nutrients go through the aquaponic towers, they get eaten up by the plants and there's the reticulated foam medium inside the towers, but the water's getting pretty nasty actually like, because the fish are growing. It's definitely cloudy. The water is getting cloudy.

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The fish don't have a problem, they seem to be doing fine, but if you really stir up the muck there's a lot of muck on the bottom, so swirl filter would look like this, and so I was looking into what what the simplest design would look like, and we can put one right in the water. So let's take call this a five-gallon bucket right here and.

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Let's draw the water surface Sears here, so what I'll do so? Here's the water, it's actually gonna, float on the water and there's gonna, be a small pump, a very tiny pump. That's just like 80 gallon per minute $5 pump, and it has it just pumps right up here. So it goes. The the water goes down, so just pumps there and here's the secret the pipe. That's the outlet pipe, it would be naturally below the surface of the bucket. That's a 5-gallon bucket and a pipe is has got a uni seal down to the bottom.

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So basically the water goes so the water level here inside so this that would spill over there that'll be the water level inside the five-gallon bucket, and then the water goes down back into the the pond. So this is the pond level right there. So this is just floating right on the surface of the pond, so it's very innit non-obtrusive.

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There is no spill leak like you want to make sure that if you have some kind of a spill, you're not draining your entire pond, which we've done a couple of times. One time left a pump on it got totally drained because we're we were pumping from one pond to the other and all the fish read the bottom just swimming around in a shallow pond. You could that's actually how some people collect the fish, but yeah. We didn't want to harvest them at that time.

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We just filled it back up, but that's a danger for the walls of the that we've got in-ground ponds that are dug with a backhoe. We don't want them to collapse, they're about four feet, deep, they can collapse and we have a little bit of collapse in the system already because of the we drained the water by accident a couple of times.

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So that's the swirl filter, that's gonna get built now and basically what happens is all the all the solids settle at the bottom and the clean water goes out the top here this pipe and then so you can say, like you know the solids they end up at the bottom here and.

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Then so what we definitely want to have down there is, if you don't want to just have a like a little drain valve so put put a ball valve down here, so that you take the bucket out and just drain that drain all the muck out like every couple of days or, however often that is an X great fertilizer, so it's real filter. Next.

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Pvc pipe d3d pipe workbench; okay, yes, so this is ruslan awesome stuff! Here we've got major success, so we just tried the macro, and this is beautiful. So these are we've got a macro called the osc piping workbench. Now, thank you Ruslan. What you? What you see is all these different pipe fittings and why we want that is because, for example, we can do the bio digester, which we have the full cattle. We can do that very so now. This is awesome.

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So look at this: let's, let's open up a new slide here and then go to the OSC piping, workbench, select them as one one of the work benches. You want a PVC corner there. It is, and you can select various ones like. Let's say we select, 3/4 hit. Ok and there you go. You got yourself a 3/4 inch corner. So this is. This is just great. It just makes work really easy and we can put all these all the different fittings. All kinds of fittings here so check that out ruslan log, OSE piping, workbench.

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You can get all these different kinds of fittings. You can select any kind of size, we've got, bushings tees, elbows, pipe crosses corners, reducers and various angle. Elbows good job next, and then we have next from Ruslan- is also that the cube, the the cube within free CAD frame macro. So this is a macro, and this is, for example, four frames of whatever type whatever we're using them, for we want to use them for 3d printers, and actually one thing you can do here. We talked about it last time.

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If the frame is not solid enough, you can pump it full of concrete drill, a hole on one corner in pour in the concrete and you've got a concreted frame, which will be very, very solid. So you can see how PVC could be extremely strong, then, of course, advantage of PVC.

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You can also 3d print it out of PLA or other materials, but we can start printing these frames and probably print the corners, and then you can get pipe it just the pipe off the shelf at like a dollar a couple of dollars for 10 feet.

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Let's show that on a free CAD, so in the free CAD, this it's a macro, so you go to free, CAD, macro menu, macros and you select the create frame box macro, execute it. Okay, let's get like a tiny six inch by six inch by six and then one-inch pipe. Let's make it select pipe. Oh, it's not selecting the pipe. Is it I think? Maybe the macros not finished, but right now we have the 1 inch so hit OK and it takes a couple of minutes no couple of seconds and there you go.

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That's our that's.

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Our pipe pipe cube, let's see.

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It's not erasing for me. I was trying to click on it. Oh yeah, you can erase it but yeah. So there's two cubes superimposed on one another here, but this is looking great.

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You can get your your cubes now to do it by hand would take half an hour or an hour depending how good you are maybe down as little as fifteen minutes. But this is this. Definitely three seconds is better than 15 minutes for a pro okay. Moving on.

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Aybe, let's hear you oh yeah last, let's see got the greenhouse, so the city of eco home is going into effect. So what we want to do for this year is port. The cdk home out of sweet home 3d, now sweet home 3d is all full open-source and that's great you can render in there. You can do a lot of things. You can get models, real nice-looking models out of sweet home 3d, but for higher flexibility and an ability to do better design. Work.

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Free CAD is way better because you can treat everything as an object. You can align things. You can paralyze the development once again doing the part library for free CAD for the CD go home. So that's what we have Katrina's working on that very hard. The progress on documentation we, the the due date, is end of June. So by that time we will have the absolute full detail on a structure and the utilities of the CD go home. So this is great and right now we're finishing up the bio digester. The PV is done.

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We got to do the whole integration of the water system and everything else, but yeah a lot of things are done.

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Full documentation is forthcoming so that what we can do with the CD go home to is create a little art kit model kid that kitten that can be 3d printed for actual real designs and we can have design contests, maybe on on hero, X or somewhere else, maybe give a little prizes out, but for for meaningful designs. So so this here is our fully documented 1400 square, foot, design and all kinds of other structures. If you go to open, building, densed, Institute or all kinds of structures can happen next thing. Abe.

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Do you want to fill in on the on a power cube? I looked at the power cube here, so let me start that discussion and it's looking quite good. So here's the power cube and then, let's give that frame out of there huh see I can superimpose will make a power cube out of PVC. Look at that, but anyway, things are looking good here. The only question I had was the coupler length. Do we have 2.5 inches?

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We said 3 inches overall and I'm, actually not sure if it's 3 inches from the very front to the back I think we're missing half an inch I think when I sent you the 3 inch number I think I said between the plates.

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No you're right about 7. That's that's exactly right! It's 8 inches wait! Is it 8 inches from the engine engine or 8 inches from the plate from the plate.

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There yeah yeah.

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Right some right now, I'm showing like you're a quarter inch off, which is I, think that's it's not a problem.

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Yeah, that's great awesome, so the only thing I can say is that if we need to for the purpose of the attractor, because basically the idea is as soon as we get the torch table up and running, we're gonna start cutting parts because the the promises we're not gonna, build anything until the torch tables running so anyway. If we have this, what I could suggest for the for the tractor?

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The 80 horsepower tractor is: if we have space issues, we can cut the frame off even at like this point like right here and the pump would stick out a few inches out the back and that might make it feasible for things to fit in, but once again, we'll look at the details later other than that this is looking great there's. A we've got the grate to which we attach the the cooler which is right there. The cooler is right in front of the air intake of the fan, the all the levers are accessible.

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There's gonna be like a choke there and choke, probably like there and then fuel somewhere else, so yeah pull cord is coming out the side here, oh yeah, so a B you might want to just put in a place just uh I con for the the pull cord. The pull cord is out of this face right here. That's where the pull cord comes out.

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This face right. There, Bo and I highlighted, which is green. That's where the pull cord is.

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This is looking good. You got so I guess we're missing the blocks for the little rubber mounts.

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They're about an inch in there and they're solid, so we just drill through them with a drill, yeah, okay,.

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Like a hard rubber, yeah.

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Yeah, they don't even have a hole in the moment: okay, yeah and that's something actually this once again. 3D printing I mean all that kind of stuff. Instead of making it a line item in in the bill materials, it's a line item in a 3d printing list, which is much easier because you don't have to worry about supply chain issues. All you got to do is make sure you got your 3d printers and filament. So that's that's awesome and that's that's further.

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That's parts that we can be selling once again in the distributive enterprise ose market and the open source everything store. Oh, we got it. We got to write that down down before anyone takes that the open source everything store.

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This is how you protect stuff when you publish it now, it's forever claimed, as this is the first place this. This has been said. If it is I, don't know if anyone said that before, but when we publish this on YouTube, the video has a timestamp and that's proof and record that that term, at that point it may not be trademark able or if, if somebody tries to trademark on over, they can.

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But if it's used like that, if it's in public, then typically you can't trademark things that are public, but people do that anyway, anyway, I think open source, everything store. That's a nice nice deal so.

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That's 3d, printing, oh yeah, I, couldn't continue and uh other stuff other power cube.

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Okay, so you see the pictures I've got.

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Probably share my screen.

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Better first-stage, ball valves and I'm gonna start trying to get some of the plumbing sorted out. Okay, let's say I redid the top here, but I knows before I was having that issue with constraining some of these fittings in there. That's because I was concerned in these fittings in the holes in this thing and every time I, Aramis and editing the original, sketch I think it's what causes issues with the constraints. I'm gonna have the constraint stuff a little differently and really experiment with plumbing yeah.

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A lot of it oh wait hold on I, say you gotta, just one thing that you've got this hold on hold on hold on Abe. Can you hear me there's a I think you've got the if that's the yes filler, that needs to be on top.

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That's the filler is not a liquid tight seal that nice to go on top.

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So that song, oh yeah,.

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Oh yeah farming, it's just know.

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It might change.

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I want to make sure that getting the frame to small, although ideally, these pretty small people.

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Looking at the life track and how they fit on there before I think you saw that and it it's kind of an odd difficult, oh I'm, there so well I think I'm gonna, you know, there's gotta be plumbing that goes up and down and side-to-side. It depends on which, where the position of the camp is so for.

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That we have to look at the actual tractor and see how all the cubes fit up.

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Yeah, so that means I think around higher fare.

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Well, they keep. Some of these are fit around the pump. Of course, I know when you the plumbing together it could be. You can kind of turn. You know, adjust the the angle of the handles, but I know you're saying they can cut off the handles, but you.

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Can trim it in huh no.

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You need to actually shut them off. You're gonna have to get some kind of tool in there. Probably to you know anyway,.

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Want a different angles in position.

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You don't want to cut the handle all the way off right. If you, if you cut the handle halfway, you can still turn it manually so, but it like as it is it's super long. But if you cut a couple inches off it, it would make it fit. I've got one comment here, also on the top and bottom frame pieces. You added a strip at the bottom piece and is that to protect the valves.

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Is that this bottom piece just needs to be redesigned because we're probably you know there might be options for our hoses going down to the cube below, and things like that. Well,.

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Is yeah we could use this thing right now is yeah remove that bar? We don't need that at all I, don't I, don't think we do I think if you just remove it. That will fix the bottom and note that the bottom piece is in one piece in that it's the tank is part of the the frame. If you look at the top of the frame, the top I noticed that you have multiple pieces. That needs to be one piece. So if you tilt up till the top piece, all the top sees yeah I see.

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You've got three pluses for the top yeah make that just X no I mean two pieces. Make it one piece yeah.

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Is one piece, but it's just.

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Just got to go back yeah.

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Yep at the end, yeah, you can fix it and those little quarter inches on the edge that actually will be very important to get very accurate, because once we cut out with a torch all those pieces, you can't have little gaps anywhere. They have to fit pretty perfectly but yeah. Otherwise, that's looking pretty good yeah.

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How balanced that thing is gonna, be the lift so I'm thinking is there a third point? Well.

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If you get it, I can tell you if you get it in the center of gravity that will be pretty decent, so you can start I, don't know. If freaking has the capacity to calculate frico center of gravity, I haven't that probably does or if it doesn't, we should make that happen.

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We got about ten gallons in there, ten gallons times a pound, so it's like 80 pounds, plus the steel. The engine itself is like a hundred. So it's it's about equal.

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Trying to side how to maybe redraw that for bracing, because I don't know if the engine is gonna flex down on that, I could draw that with a different pattern that might make that stronger. So it doesn't tend to bend no.

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Know, I, don't think I, don't think you have to worry about it. I mean it's been pretty good with what we have right now and right now. We just have that frame piece there and it seems to be perfectly fine and in fact, if it vibrates a little bit, that's further shock absorption. So it's fine.

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Get rid of them I'm.

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Seeing also in a small power cube, if you got that bottom piece, we don't need that piece there, either that yeah supporting piece said that can go.

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So what? What do you think are your next steps here? One thing I wanted to ask is uh so: did you actually create a burn down for this that we can actually track the burn down? Cuz I think what we should do at this point since we're getting pretty close.

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Let's see so it's it's called power cube. What do we got there 1801 for the small one.

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Each one, oh yeah, if you know what it's a smaller one, yeah.

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So have you seen how we do the oh there's? It's very easy, actually look at burn down, so there's a page on the wyckland there's a page on the wiki called burn down. So it's basically on an OS c dev page, but it shows you how to embed a burn down based on your your graph.

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Can you do that and let's actually try to track track the completion of a project, so you've got a couple of things filled in already, but do do add that and then what I'd like to see is uh actually try because the power cube I mean we've built, so many of them power cube and brick press or perhaps the largest number of prototypes.

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So we can get to the point where we actually fill in this entire table and actually draw up a full manual for that. So we can do perhaps some kind of a design sprint some point, but the first thing is to actually fill in all the aspects of this, so that someone can take this and really understand it, and then we can publish that we can publish a design guide.

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So, for example, like in the design section, there's really not really like a design guide section, but under conceptual design we can put in the actual design guide where we teach people how to design the whole power cube, including how do you do the basic calculations and everything else, and then, in the design part the thing that that we can do later? Just like we have the workbench for the piping.

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We can do a workbench for power, cube design where you pull off all the components that we use and that way anyone can design a power cube just turnkey, which is going to be a great contribution. So anyone can build it, they can cat it up. If people have a 3d printer, they can print little 3d models of it. If they have the small laser cutter, they can cut the steel parts. So what I'm driving at is when we get the 3d printer with the very small laser cutter.

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Basically, we can prototype fully like when remote people can prototype these machines fully. But for that, it's actually important that we would print like like have real, detailed or sufficiently detailed part library, part parts for the entire power cube. So a person can make not just like a 3d print of the whole thing. But if it's got a fitting on it, you actually print, maybe even print the fitting independently.

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So you can simulate with 3d printing. You can basically do the whole build of a power cube for an instructional like right on your desktop, and that way that way you can do instead of requiring a work, a heavy metal workshop like we have here. We can get people prototyping remotely with 3d printed parts and laser-cut parts which, where the laser cut parts stand for the parts we would otherwise cut out of steel out of flat steel like here at the quarter inch.

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So this is completely doable for remote, prototyping and also just like we can do prototyping of the CD Cajon. Once we build the OS OS C kit, the arc kit for the C Vica home. So there's a lot of exciting things we can do for prototyping and then get more people involved and just kind of starts snowballing.

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This whole thing so that when we we fill out the build instructions, for example the people with our prototyping, with the 3d models and laser cuts, they can build a whole instruction set where they can even take pictures of that simulating the whole build, and then we can verify whether that build actually goes as planned. So that would be a great great way to accelerate the prototyping part, so that would be awesome but yeah, let's uh please put in the burndown and let's take a look at it next week, how that works?

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Cuz right now the burndown is populated automatically. Whenever you fill in a number, then a third column from one to ten like right now, you're at 12%, it goes automatically into the burn down table the graph to generate that. So that's really good! That's an automated thing! We don't have to worry about creating that and updating that that's all auda mated and we want to create a whole infrastructure of automated aspects where this just becomes.

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The whole development process really becomes super super slick and optimized to the point that we can add some AI to it start putting in elements where, if things are structured and well-defined, you can start a Iong. It start putting in automation on top of the process. Just like you know a simple example with automating the generation of the burndown graph and things like that.

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So, for example, you know just just as an example think of an AI that would take our library parts and we could teach it to actually cut compose the power cube by itself. I mean I. Think that's forthcoming. That's definitely a hard programming challenge, but you know we can think about something like that for the future, so anyone who's in AI doing that.

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Listening to this helped us out on that I mean this is just I mean all this stuff as we go towards the singularity I mean where all this stuff is gonna get a ID. Artificial intelligence is gonna start doing it. That's why people got to get skilled up and sim sim bios with symbiote ties with with computers instead of getting replaced by them. So it's all about increasing human ability with robotics and beyonds.

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So beyond that anything else on this on the power cube aid, because we should wrap up.

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I think see: I think that's about it. That I can think of now.

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Yeah a lot of details, I mean in all parts yeah.

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Yeah so try to let's see.

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Yeah, so let's, let's see, for example, okay, so, along with the 3d CAD, let's see where's our I'm looking for a part library, so we should be put. Do we have a power cube parts library somewhere, because that should really go under the 3d CAD?

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The 3d CAD should link to a page whether it's on this page or elsewhere, where we've got the both the full CAD and then all the individual parts.

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Yes, I see the cat here, it's the full file that you have, but for the purposes that I just described, for example like people, doing 3d models and actually prototyping it remotely by 3d printing, which that depends on us having a full part library and actually think about that. That could actually be a product that goes into the open source. Everything store people can make little toy models where they build their own power.

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Cubes like crazy power cubes with like 10 engines in them, so so this will definitely be for educational purposes and prototyping involving kids and and really making it go for it. But that depends like the real key like number 5 3d CAD, the full CAD plus the part. Libraries are one of the most critical things and imagine once we started getting structure to the 3d CAD, that's where you can put the artificial intelligence.

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On top of that, I mean, for example, oh man I mean look at this right now, holy cow I mean we can start applying AI right now, like, for example, with the image recognition like, for example, if you, if you the AI on he'll, have it crawl our wiki pages with you know individual page for each you know whatever each library part the AI can actually tell you what it is, so it can annotate or like someone you know someone's who's new to it.

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They can actually get information and AI could actually help us right now, like somebody doesn't know what this part is like the ball valve, the AI would actually tell you because you can train it and that kind of capacity actually believe it or not. I just looked at it very briefly, but it's get it's out there very simple libraries in Python. Look at the let's see. Let me just point people at that.

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It's on my log, I put it on as let's see artificial, I.

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Was looking at that, like yesterday a couple of days ago, let's see.

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No I'm in 2017, let me go, go back up a year.

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It's a particular open-source.

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Ai, okay, software.

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So there's look at the page called open source AI on the wiki and then look at existing open source designs of software. This is a list at data Meishan dot-com, nice tutorial at tensorflow.

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The one I was looking at machine learning library for Python executable through simple programs.

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Yeah the computer vision applications that one image recognition I think the image recognition is what I just refer to. If you just have a little simple Python script, scraping your wiki pages. Once you have the images of the of the part, libraries and it you know, it can I start identifying things and then when, when it can identify things, I mean that's so powerful, because at that point you can say that you do a program that says: ok, if you find a pipe and a a ball valve, screw them onto each other.

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You know so yeah we can start getting artificial intelligence. Cad CAD design happening pretty quickly here. I think what I? What would be relevant I think, is the image recognition here. So I'm gonna highlight it with bold yeah. Well, this is awesome. So so, anyway, that underscores the importance of the full part library, let's nail this, for the power cube and we're gonna get Tom Griffin Griffin on that he's.

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Our power cube, lead he's in the background and he's learning freaked out right now, but we're gonna we're gonna, look at doing another micro, solar power cube workshop, which is very relevant, so he can join in on this part. Library, effort and I really want to get the kids out there and some products around the power cube like just let's put that on the open source everything store, so we can people can produce them and, and things like that, that sound good can we wrap up at this point.

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Yeah I actually have a couple of questions here. I'm looking at the 45 cubic inch motor now was that fully cat it up for for the tractor, because I just saw we had an email exchange where I provided all the dimensions. Is that fully cat it up cuz, it's not related to the power cube, but it's related to the big tractor.

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Actually, what happened to fill in on that? Why we like that one, we actually bought a whole bunch of them a few years ago. So we still have. We have about 12 of those, so we're gonna continue working on those are really good, they're very strong and we're basically gonna go with those until we can build them like because I mean they're high precision not so easy to build, but once you get the CNC machining up, we got to start making because it's the perfect case where it's like these things appear and disappear.

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It might be too expensive off the normal supply changed. So, of course, we we start making our own parts, but I do see. Roberto did that some time ago, so I'm just gonna download that right now open it up.

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I know we had that I'm just taking a look at it. It's November, 20, 2017,.

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Let's see what the status of that was.

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How good that looks? Cuz it's one of those things we really want to see. Where did it show up? Was it showing up.

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Okay, here yeah that actually looks quite good. It looks like yeah yeah yeah. No, that looks pretty accurate I'm just looking at just care.

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It's missing the fittings so yeah. We definitely want to add the fittings to that, but yeah. It looks that looks great cuz yeah we're gonna need to like when we do actually a real design. We want to make sure these files are pretty accurate and a cool thing once again would be when we 3d printed and builded. According to this model, we can test how it fits in a 3d printed, laser-cut model and that will tell us more information off the cat, because in cat all the time there's little things that can be missed.

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So we basically had a shake down the both the CAD and our ability to use the cat to the point that whenever we are doing a design that design always matches reality, I mean that's I mean that's, of course obvious. But it's not as easy as you think cuz you don't sometimes you don't have the parts available.

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The parts might be a little different. I mean the supply chain issue. Once again, the critical biggest threat to any success is the variable supply chain, and then the other thing is. If you look at a one more comment, I made some comments about cats, cans, there's open source tool, change where you can actually open source, there's open source computer processing from CERN, as well as another open source guy, who did basically cat-scans taking photographs of x-ray images that bounce off, like the cassette, the like the phosphorescent cassette that they use.

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So it's a very low-cost way. You get yourself an x-ray source and you can do in interior, reverse engineering. You don't have to break the thing apart. It actually gets a three-dimensional cat scan, basically getting you the three-dimensional internals of mechanical devices, that's pretty insane!

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We should definitely take that up at some point because looking at three scanning yes outside, we can reverse engineering these things and we should work on the photogrammetry, but also it's important that we can look at the things like. If you want to reverse engineer this lets cat scan it because we've got these, we don't necessarily want to open them up, let's get the insides with x-ray, so that that's a really crazy thing. Oh one last thing here we see so John is actually doing some good stuff here. Update.

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Let's just read: do that so yeah we're. We were doing a run out sensor for the filament, so he's got a 3d printer that he's getting up and running we'll part print parts, 4d 3d he's building a PVC frame version.

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Ordered all the parts for for that start to model the PVC d3 DSO. So one of the things, the final things for John is that we get a good, really good working model for the PVC version, so that it's accurate and it has the Prusa i3 mk2 extruder on it, and that way people can don't have to replicate the figuring out of things like. Where exactly do you have to drill holes or do you have to move the bed over a little bit?

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I mean that's all we gotta just really nail that so yeah John will be great if you can continue on a CAD of that, and also John, if you don't mind just like with the burndown page on the wiki insert yourself a of the development template and it burned down for this build so they'll be great and then Michael he's our senior sis admin doing background work, fixing OSC main working with some MediaWiki stuff, we're basically porting our website to a new server. That's much faster.

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Yeah, so we're moving forward on that. He.

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Beefed up our infrastructure to do things like from HTTP to secure HTTP, meaning HTTPS install some two-factor authentication is the thing that he's ending up with is actually installing jitsi meets, so we can do large webinars off our own servers. So that's that's the end point of his work yeah, but that's that's about it. So anything else. A bore we're good here.

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Yeah and that way you know we got to get you a printer out there, and then you can when you, when you design this, then you can actually be verifying. The part fit like, or even you know, think about, even even this. What if we take, we do the actual 3d print and then just compare it to the real part like or even like, in the actual build use. The fake part like, for example, if there's the the valve there just use the fake part to see if it fits exactly as it should.

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You know just so, we can do a lot of lot of pre testing. That's called test-driven design before we make the full working thing. We test everything about the bill that we're making that and that's that's what extreme manufacturing is about. It's a part of that is that one of the cores of extreme manufacturing is test-driven design where you're testing it you're designing tests so that you don't end up finding out all that's wrong in a final build. You solve all those issues before the final one, so yeah they'll be awesome.

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So, let's continue thanks a lot, then yeah I'll quit the recording right here and please watch this. If you need to review some more things from the meeting, we cover a lot of good stuff. Ok, thanks a lot.